--- Log for 27.11.103  Server: zelazny.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.31 #       <tracktheripper> Hi
00.01.01 #       <top_bloke> hi
00.01.08 #       <tracktheripper> hi top
00.01.14 #       <top_bloke> yo
00.01.19 #       <tracktheripper> :)
00.01.36 #       <tracktheripper> whos gonna try that, substitute the HD with CF cards
00.01.37 #       <tracktheripper> :))
00.02.23 #       <top_bloke> ?
00.02.33 #       <tracktheripper> lol just one feature request I saw
00.02.41 #       <top_bloke> oh
00.02.43 #       <tracktheripper> "change the HD for several CF cards"
00.02.59 #       <top_bloke> why?
00.03.14 #       <top_bloke> why would anyone want that
00.03.32 #       <tracktheripper> save battery power since theres no HDs to spin up
00.03.50 #       <top_bloke> yeah but way less storage
00.04.10 #       <tracktheripper> well u can get 1Gb CF cards
00.04.16 #       <tracktheripper> so if you could fit 20 in the case
00.04.20 #       <tracktheripper> get 20Gb of storage
00.04.37 #       <top_bloke> which have 20 HDs to spin up
00.04.53 #       <top_bloke> or u mean the flash ones
00.04.59 #       <tracktheripper> CF cards are flash memory, not HDs
00.05.06 #       <top_bloke> i was thinking the microdrives
00.05.12 #       <tracktheripper> no not microdrive
00.05.13 #       <tracktheripper> s
00.05.13 #       <top_bloke> my bad
00.05.23 #       <top_bloke> still a stupid idea
00.05.27 #       <tracktheripper> why?
00.05.37 #       <tracktheripper> no HDs to be shoked or use up battery power
00.05.46 #       <top_bloke> well then do it
00.05.53 #       <top_bloke> if u like it so much
00.05.58 #       <tracktheripper> 20 cards would cost a fortune to buy
00.06.11 #       <tracktheripper> a 1Gb card costs the same as a new MP3 player!
00.06.20 #       <top_bloke> well then thats that
00.06.41 #       <tracktheripper> yup
00.07.07 #       <tracktheripper> get mikeholden to fix it
00.07.42 #       <mecraw> what's inside the 20 gb rio karma?
00.07.44 #       <top_bloke> u hate him right
00.07.45 #       <tracktheripper> you are better off storing all your MP£s in compressed .zip folders to save HD space and not lose soundquality
00.07.58 #       <top_bloke> a gb drive?
00.08.04 #       <top_bloke> a 20 gb drive
00.08.07 #       <tracktheripper> yea
00.08.41 #       <mecraw> thanks, but what kind, it's smaller than an ipod
00.08.44 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.08.47 #       <tracktheripper> dunno
00.09.09 #       <tracktheripper> anyway Dump all your MP3s into .zip folders and save plenty of HD space
00.09.09 #       <top_bloke> i'm talking out my ass
00.09.13 #       <top_bloke> i was guessing
00.09.40 #       <top_bloke> never having seen a karma
00.10.15 #       <top_bloke> tracktheripper i thought mp3s dont compress well
00.10.26 #       <tracktheripper> they do compress a bit
00.10.53 #       <top_bloke> well then its only a little bit
00.11.18 #       <hardeep> mecraw: i believe they have the same hard drive as ipod: 1.8"
00.11.19 #       <tracktheripper> yea compress 2000 MP3s, gain 20Mb of HD space extra :)
00.11.45 #       <top_bloke> well u still cant play them on the archos as it is
00.11.46 #       <hardeep> what's messed up about the karma is that they apparently have their own proprietary filesystem, they don't use fat32
00.12.08 #       <tracktheripper> well topbloke you uncompress them first prior to playing
00.12.09 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.12.09 #       <tracktheripper> :D
00.12.23 #       <top_bloke> well rockbox cant do that now
00.12.35 #       <top_bloke> or ever probably
00.15.00 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.15.07 #       <tracktheripper> does mikeholden ever come in here?
00.15.25 #       <top_bloke> i dont know
00.15.30 #       <top_bloke> maybe hes here right now
00.15.34 #       <tracktheripper> he really upset me once
00.15.43 #       <top_bloke> maybe i'm  him
00.15.47 #       <top_bloke> you never know
00.15.59 #       <tracktheripper> nah u aren't him
00.16.40 #       <top_bloke> well someone else could be
00.16.45 #       <tracktheripper> ok
00.16.53 #       <tracktheripper> mikeholden come out come out wherever u are
00.18.15 #       <top_bloke> is he one of the coders?
00.18.44 #       <tracktheripper> topbloke read tthis
00.18.44 #       <tracktheripper> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=732602&group_id=44306&atid=439121
00.19.28 #       <top_bloke> i cant right now
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00.24.15 #       <midknight2k3> hi
00.24.21 #       <tracktheripper> hi
00.24.44 #       <midknight2k3> hi track
00.24.46 #       <midknight2k3> hey zagor
00.24.48 #       <tracktheripper> hi mid
00.24.49 #       <midknight2k3> hello toppy
00.25.00 #       * midknight2k3 repeats, "hi track"
00.25.11 #       <top_bloke> hey
00.25.15 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.25.16 #       <tracktheripper> mid
00.25.43 #       <midknight2k3> zagor: will any more patches make it in?
00.25.56 #       <midknight2k3> how about my chip8 icon? :D
00.26.02 #       <Zagor> midknight2k3: we'll see
00.26.04 #       <midknight2k3> you need icons for files
00.26.11 #       <midknight2k3> you cant miss a chip8 icon
00.26.26 #       <pokerjoker> hey folks
00.26.33 #       <midknight2k3> and my screens patch is neat,, so is the keyboard makeover
00.26.37 #       <midknight2k3> so many patches
00.26.40 #       <midknight2k3> so little time
00.26.41 #       <midknight2k3> hey pokerjoker
00.26.49 #       <tracktheripper> hi poker
00.26.49 #       <tracktheripper> joker
00.26.53 #       <pokerjoker> howsit going homeslice
00.27.00 #       <midknight2k3> ?
00.27.03 #       <midknight2k3> uh
00.27.30 #       <tracktheripper> midknight is the man poker
00.27.38 #       <midknight2k3> i think he knows that
00.27.48 #       <tracktheripper> i know im doublechecking
00.28.01 #       * midknight2k3 bares teeth
00.28.11 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.28.53 #       <tracktheripper> Hey Midknight there is a request where someone wants to replace the HD with CompactFlash cards
00.29.26 #       <midknight2k3> i once had a simlar idea
00.29.33 #       <midknight2k3> it involved using a media card for buffer
00.29.36 #       <tracktheripper> except with IBM Microdrives
00.29.50 #       <midknight2k3> put in a 64MB CF card and get, well, 64MB Buffer
00.30.35 #       <tracktheripper> put in a 1Gb Microdrive and get 1Gb of buffer
00.30.49 #       <midknight2k3> nah
00.30.53 #       <midknight2k3> thats where it gets ugly
00.31.02 #       <midknight2k3> spend all your battery loading the buffer
00.31.09 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.31.30 #       <top_bloke> doesnt the ipod do that?
00.31.38 #       <top_bloke> have a flash buffer
00.31.48 #       <tracktheripper> Ipod buffers 25 minutes in advacnce
00.31.55 #       <top_bloke> is it flash?
00.32.09 #       <tracktheripper> no its ram
00.32.25 #       <midknight2k3> not a good way to think of it
00.32.27 #       <top_bloke> big ram there
00.32.28 #       <tracktheripper> ok mid how would u fit a card reader in the Archos?
00.32.36 #       <midknight2k3> so if i have a 320kbps it will do 25 mins?
00.32.43 #       <midknight2k3> and if i have 32kbps it does 25?
00.32.52 #       <tracktheripper> welll thats how APple measure it
00.32.55 #       <tracktheripper> 25 minutes of music
00.33.03 #       <pokerjoker> im encoding a shozload of CDs into VBR
00.33.12 #       <top_bloke> i dont buy that its regualr ram
00.33.48 #       <midknight2k3> top: it is regular ram
00.33.53 #       <top_bloke> prove me wrong
00.33.58 #       <midknight2k3> they just do it the simple way and say 25 mins
00.34.02 #       <midknight2k3> track:
00.34.07 #       <top_bloke> its gotta be huge then
00.34.10 #       <midknight2k3> i wasnt planning to put a card reader in the archos
00.34.15 #       <midknight2k3> 16MB
00.34.17 #       <midknight2k3> or so
00.34.23 #       <top_bloke> oh
00.34.24 #       <midknight2k3> 32 actually
00.34.30 #       <midknight2k3> 32MB
00.34.51 #       <top_bloke> huge compared to archos
00.34.54 #       <pokerjoker> is 8mb the biggest upgrade you can do on the archos RAM?
00.35.03 #       <midknight2k3> no..
00.35.11 #       <midknight2k3> but i dont think anyones tried 16mb
00.35.20 #       <tracktheripper> but mid u still need a way to unload and load the card inthe ARchos
00.35.20 #       <pokerjoker> it would be nice to try 16mb i think.  wouldnt it?
00.35.26 #       <midknight2k3> track:
00.35.31 #       <midknight2k3> this wasnt an archos idea
00.35.36 #       <midknight2k3> it was just an mp3 player idea
00.35.41 #       <tracktheripper> ok ok mid
00.35.44 #       <tracktheripper> :P
00.35.50 #       <midknight2k3> track: uhm
00.36.02 #       <midknight2k3> 'ok ok' usually means calm down
00.36.05 #       <midknight2k3> i wasnt worked up
00.36.10 #       <tracktheripper> i never said u were
00.36.17 #       <midknight2k3>  ok ok mid
00.36.27 #       <midknight2k3> seems like you really wanted to stress the fact that you understood?
00.36.33 #       <tracktheripper> yea
00.36.40 #       <tracktheripper> and I still wanna kick mikeholden's arse
00.36.40 #       <midknight2k3> unless it was a large accomplishment on your part
00.36.49 #       <midknight2k3> "i actually understand something he says!"
00.37.02 #       <midknight2k3> tracktheripper: why
00.37.17 #       <tracktheripper> "You Really didn't think this through did you!"
00.37.31 #       <midknight2k3> YOU GOT BACK AT HIM
00.37.32 #       <pokerjoker> im encoding pet shop boys
00.37.35 #       <midknight2k3> at that one post remember
00.37.39 #       <tracktheripper> what?
00.38.00 #       <midknight2k3> "i got back at him finally"
00.38.07 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.38.08 #       <midknight2k3> at the doom bug report
00.38.16 #       <tracktheripper> when i get my Nomad you lot will miss me
00.38.17 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.38.20 #       <pokerjoker> how old are you midknight
00.38.23 #       <midknight2k3> finally realized you did nothing but get told off a lot?
00.38.27 #       <midknight2k3> i won't!
00.38.36 #       <tracktheripper> ok mid if u say so
00.38.40 #       <midknight2k3> you shoudl stalp talking about mikeholden
00.38.45 #       <midknight2k3> getting a nomd?
00.39.14 #       <tracktheripper> one of the zens
00.39.25 #       <midknight2k3> for sure?
00.39.34 #       <tracktheripper> probably next year
00.39.41 #       <midknight2k3> aww
00.40.24 #       <tracktheripper> ill just use the archos as a portable HD
00.41.15 #       <top_bloke> whats the lowest bitrate archos can play?
00.41.19 #       <midknight2k3> that means dont stick around
00.41.23 #       <midknight2k3> 32kbps i think
00.41.39 #       <tracktheripper> yea 32kbs
00.41.40 #       <top_bloke> the we can store 0:06:15 of music
00.41.50 #       <midknight2k3> it can go lower but its not been tested - i think 32kb is lowest possible bitrate for mp3s
00.42.06 #       <tracktheripper> Mid in Soundforge it can go as low as 5kbs
00.42.25 #       <midknight2k3> sounds stupid
00.42.33 #       <top_bloke> at 8kb/s it can actually store 25 minutes
00.42.34 #       <midknight2k3> thats like, fuzz.
00.42.36 #       <tracktheripper> well it can mid
00.42.40 #       <midknight2k3> sure
00.42.43 #       <midknight2k3> but whod wanna
00.42.45 #       <tracktheripper> its ok for streaming voice over a 14.4k modem
00.42.49 #       <midknight2k3> nah
00.42.58 #       <midknight2k3> you couldnt stream 5kbps audio over 14.4
00.43.06 #       <tracktheripper> ok
00.43.07 #       <midknight2k3> even if you could it would suck
00.43.46 #       <top_bloke> at 5kb/s thats 40 minutes in buffer!
00.44.03 #       <midknight2k3> shssh
00.44.12 #       <top_bloke> apple got owned!
00.44.20 #       <midknight2k3> yes
00.44.29 #       <top_bloke> 24 minutes....weak
00.44.33 #       <top_bloke> or 25
00.44.38 #       <midknight2k3> 2mb ram vs 32mb
00.44.48 #       <top_bloke> u sure its 32?
00.45.09 #       <midknight2k3> yes
00.45.20 #       <top_bloke> absolutely sure?
00.45.20 #       <midknight2k3> http://ipodsdirtysecret.com/
00.45.33 #       <midknight2k3> positively 99% yes
00.45.35 #       <top_bloke> i cant check right now
00.45.55 #       <midknight2k3> track could but he wont
00.46.03 #       <top_bloke> then at 128k/s it can hold 0:33:20
00.46.16 #       <midknight2k3> no.
00.46.21 #       <top_bloke> yeah
00.46.22 #       <midknight2k3> they dont use all 32mb for buffer
00.46.27 #       <top_bloke> well then
00.46.28 #       <midknight2k3> no
00.46.57 #       <top_bloke> 25 min only takes 24MB at 128k/s
00.47.06 #       <midknight2k3> RIGHT
00.47.09 #       <midknight2k3> so
00.47.12 #       <midknight2k3> 24mb buffer
00.47.12 #       <top_bloke> i gotta stop with these calculations
00.47.32 #       <midknight2k3> brb
00.47.39 #       <top_bloke> ok one more
00.47.43 #       <tracktheripper> good link mid
00.47.46 #       <top_bloke> at 8k/s thats a massive 6:40:00
00.49.15 #       <top_bloke> i cant stop!
00.49.46 #       <top_bloke> 20GB archos can hold 52 days 2:00:00 at 32k/s!
00.51.03 #       <tracktheripper> yes but you would have poor sound quality
00.51.14 #       <top_bloke> its ok for speech
00.51.26 #       <tracktheripper> who wants 52 days of speech?
00.51.35 #       <top_bloke> uh
00.52.22 #       <midknight2k3> back
00.52.28 #       <tracktheripper> hi mid
00.52.31 #       <midknight2k3> ?
00.52.35 #       <midknight2k3> what now
00.52.38 #       <midknight2k3> did you watch it
00.52.42 #       <tracktheripper> yes I liked it
00.52.46 #       <tracktheripper> about the ipods battery life
00.52.51 #       <tracktheripper> only 18 months
00.53.04 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
00.53.12 #       <midknight2k3> 5 hours per charge
00.53.17 #       <midknight2k3> 18 months per unit
00.53.28 #       <midknight2k3> thats .. faulty
00.53.43 #       <tracktheripper> mid its carefully crafted so when it wears out you buy another ipod
00.53.50 #       <top_bloke> what kinda battery is it?
00.53.56 #       <midknight2k3> liion
00.54.09 #       <top_bloke> same as fm then
00.54.15 #       <tracktheripper> Sony 650mah lithium polymer
00.54.23 #       <midknight2k3> 650mah? haa
00.54.30 #       <top_bloke> weak
00.54.34 #       <tracktheripper> yea
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00.54.58 #       <tracktheripper> the battery is made by Sony, the HD is made by Toshiba
00.55.36 #       <tracktheripper> the MAS is probably another one of Micronas's
00.56.03 #       <midknight2k3> nah
00.56.56 #       <tracktheripper> so you could buy a MAS off the shelf and build ur own MP3 player around it?
00.57.13 #       <midknight2k3> uhm
00.57.16 #       <midknight2k3> yes
00.57.27 #       <top_bloke> it would suck though
00.57.58 #       <midknight2k3> uhm
00.58.01 #       <tracktheripper> Midknight on the Ipod the battery is made by Sony, the HD Toshiba, the controls Texas Instruments and the other electronics Sharp
00.58.03 #       <midknight2k3> there is someone who did such a thing
00.58.06 #       <midknight2k3> pretty nice
00.58.15 #       <midknight2k3> tracktheripper: fascinating
00.58.35 #       <tracktheripper> thank you midknight
00.58.42 #       <tracktheripper> im glad u found it fascinating
00.58.55 #       <midknight2k3> i didnt.
00.58.57 #       <top_bloke> lol
00.59.04 #       <top_bloke> lolol
00.59.22 #       <diddystar5> i did see a make your own mp3player kit somewhere
00.59.34 #       <midknight2k3> boo
00.59.36 #       <midknight2k3> this is better
00.59.38 #       <diddystar5> you could solder everything, or get it presoldered and put it togehter
00.59.47 #       <diddystar5> ill see if i can find it
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01.03.11 #       <hardeep> a couple I know about: http://go.to/zipamp and http://www.pjrc.com/
01.04.39 #       <diddystar5> yeah  the one i knew about was the pjrc
01.04.42 #       <midknight2k3> zipamp
01.04.45 #       <midknight2k3> i think thats it
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01.06.48 #       <diddystar5> brb
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01.34.10 #       <hardeep> midknight2k3: i think there is a small problem with your keyboard patch. !? and " are no longer available in any of the layouts
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01.34.29 #       <midknight2k3> are they?
01.34.38 #       <midknight2k3> oh btw inwindows they arent valid
01.34.43 #       <midknight2k3> but hm
01.34.47 #       <hardeep> for filenames, sure
01.34.48 #       <midknight2k3> feel free to add them if they are missing
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01.34.56 #       <midknight2k3> what else for?
01.34.56 #       <hardeep> but we may want to extend this for writing into files and stuff
01.35.01 #       <midknight2k3> yes
01.35.03 #       <hardeep> and id3 info
01.35.07 #       <midknight2k3> i will add them, or you cant
01.35.09 #       <midknight2k3> can*
01.35.25 #       <hardeep> go for it, i was just quickly glancing through it
01.35.36 #       <midknight2k3> i like it
01.36.06 #       <hardeep> yeah, i like having upper and lower case on the same screen too
01.36.34 #       <midknight2k3> did you try my f2 patch
01.37.01 #       <hardeep> nope
01.37.15 #       <midknight2k3> try it is good
01.38.09 #       <diddystar5> hardeep:      what about my changes to .rockbox browser patch?
01.38.26 #       <hardeep> i haven't looked at those either
01.38.38 #       <diddystar5> i need to do some updating
01.38.38 #       <midknight2k3> and my chip8 icon!
01.38.41 #       <midknight2k3> and my redzone!
01.38.44 #       <midknight2k3> and this and that and this and that
01.38.55 #       <midknight2k3> i should delete redzone
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01.39.09 #       <midknight2k3> piece of junkiest patch if there ever was one
01.39.13 #       <diddystar5> i need to remove some of the things (i think fonts and...) and im going to add seperater dirs for games, font etc
01.39.13 #       <midknight2k3> ttr
01.39.26 #       <tracktheripper> Hi
01.39.43 #       <midknight2k3> tr == tracktheripper
01.39.52 #       <tracktheripper> i know mid
01.40.14 #       <diddystar5> bye
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01.40.20 #       <midknight2k3> bye
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01.40.33 #       <midknight2k3> ZAGOR!
01.40.40 #       <midknight2k3> :-0!!
01.53.58 #       <tracktheripper> who will win the codec war? MP3, WMA, AAC, ATRAC3?, OGG?
01.54.16 #       <ze> ogg's not a codec, it's a media container file format
01.54.17 #       <midknight2k3> ask that on your mailing list junk
01.54.22 #       <midknight2k3> ooh got told
01.54.22 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.54.23 #       <ze> vorbis is the codec
01.54.42 #       <tracktheripper> ok let me rephrase that
01.54.49 #       <midknight2k3> a ha
01.54.54 #       <ze> and they'll all lose in the end
01.55.04 #       <ze> lossy compression just sucks
01.55.06 #       <tracktheripper> who willl win the codec war, MP3, WMA, VORBIS, ATRAC3, AAC?
01.55.08 #       <ze> we'll overcome the need for it eventually
01.55.20 #       <midknight2k3> tracktheripper: mialing junk never got far?
01.55.23 #       <midknight2k3> mailing*
01.55.28 #       <tracktheripper> midknight u are picking on me yet again!
01.55.32 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.55.34 #       <midknight2k3> just asking
01.55.41 #       <tracktheripper> well there was no need for the word junk
01.55.42 #       <tracktheripper> lol
01.56.08 #       <midknight2k3> ok
01.56.13 #       <midknight2k3> tracktheripper: mialing THING never got far?
01.56.16 #       <midknight2k3> back in a few mins
01.56.17 #       <tracktheripper> one of them will win eventually
01.56.18 #       <tracktheripper> ok mid
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01.56.25 #       <ze> nah
01.56.36 #       <ze> they'll keep competing and new contenders will come along
01.56.44 #       <tracktheripper> yea
01.56.51 #       <ze> and then some breakthrough'll be made and we'll have tons of cheap storage and everybody'll forget about lossy compression
01.57.06 #       <tracktheripper> i read somewhere the new formats will compress even further by "predicting what the waveform will do next"
01.57.10 #       <ze> cheap storage and cheap bandwidth
01.57.15 #       <tracktheripper> lol
01.57.39 #       <ze> in fact there'll probably be some major technological breakthrough going on pretty soon
01.57.47 #       <ze> not necessarily in the next few years, but within our lifetimes
01.58.06 #       <tracktheripper> perhaps one day u could fit 20,000 CD quality songs on 1 floppy disk
01.58.07 #       <tracktheripper> lol
01.58.50 #       <ze> spintronics, quantum computing, etc stuff's already developing
01.59.04 #       <ze> and we'll keep figuring out new things to try
01.59.09 #       <tracktheripper> lol a lot of companies tack "tronics" to make a name
01.59.14 #       <tracktheripper> u could have zetronics
01.59.27 #       <ze> spintronics isn't anything do with any particular company
01.59.31 #       <tracktheripper> zagortronics, linustronics, midknight2k3tronics, 
02.00.03 #       <ze> spintronics is utilizing electron spin coherency
02.00.07 #       <tracktheripper> oh ok
02.00.13 #       <tracktheripper> still a cool company for a HD
02.00.14 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.00.24 #       <ze> basically the electrons all get their poles lined up the same
02.00.27 #       <tracktheripper> oh ok
02.00.34 #       <ze> and then you tilt one, and it tilts back and the tilt propagates in a wave down the line
02.00.47 #       <ze> and that constitutes your energy transfer instead of moving the electrons between atoms
02.00.52 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.00.53 #       <tracktheripper> cool
02.01.41 #       <ze> electronics is just the first big human technology
02.01.45 #       <ze> it's certainly not the last
02.01.45 #       <ze> heh
02.01.59 #       <tracktheripper> im gonna set up a company called spintronics now
02.01.59 #       <tracktheripper> :)_
02.02.43 #       <ze> eventually we'll reach a physical limit on information storage/retrieval/transmission density
02.02.54 Join    midknight2k3 [0] (hello@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com)
02.02.59 #       <midknight2k3> iiii
02.03.00 #       <midknight2k3> hiii
02.03.02 #       <tracktheripper> hi mid
02.03.21 #       <midknight2k3> ARG
02.03.22 #       <ze> actually that kinda makes me wonder though
02.03.28 #       <tracktheripper> whats wrong mid?
02.03.32 #       <midknight2k3> WHY do i keep getting this error
02.03.35 #       <ze> if you can use compression algorithms to exceed that limit
02.03.35 #       <ze> heh
02.03.37 #       <tracktheripper> what error?
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> ../tools/scramble -fm /home/rockbox/newnewclock/build/rockbox.bin /home/rockbox/
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> newnewclock/build/ajbrec.ajz
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> error: max firmware size is 200KB!
02.03.40 DBUG    Sent KICK midknight2k3 to server
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/newnewclock/build/ajbrec.ajz] Error 255
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/newnewclock/apps'
02.03.40 ***     Alert Mode level 1
02.03.40 DBUG    sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*hello@*.ipt.aol.com
02.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> make: *** [apps] Error 2
02.03.41 Kick    (#rockbox midknight2k3 :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
02.03.41 ***     Alert Mode level 2
02.03.41 Mode    "#rockbox +b *!*hello@*.ipt.aol.com " by logbot (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
02.03.50 #       <ze> or if ther'll be some way that it'll not work
02.04.24 Join    midknight2k3 [0] (itsme@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com)
02.04.28 #       <midknight2k3> sheezus
02.04.30 #       <tracktheripper> hi mid
02.04.31 #       <ze> heh
02.04.34 #       <midknight2k3> dumb ... uglybot
02.04.39 #       <ze> midknight2k3: "error: max firmware size is 200KB!"
02.04.45 #       <ze> midknight2k3: it's too big
02.04.50 #       <midknight2k3> i know
02.04.54 #       <midknight2k3> i didnt make it larger
02.05.00 #       <ze> well who did
02.05.04 #       <midknight2k3> one line of code cant make it go from 158kb to 200kb?
02.05.16 #       <ze> sure, depends on the line of code
02.05.22 #       <tracktheripper> perhaps it does what the code something
02.05.23 #       <midknight2k3> ok
02.05.26 #       <midknight2k3> hows 19 characters sound
02.05.35 #       <ze> doesn't matter how much code
02.05.38 #       <ze> it matters what the code does
02.05.46 #       * midknight2k3 fusses
02.06.10 #       <ze> like malloc(43008);
02.06.10 #       <tracktheripper> Mid what did u think of a request I sent some time ago that may help u with ur >200kb code?
02.06.11 #       <ze> heh
02.06.16 #       <midknight2k3> lool
02.06.28 #       <midknight2k3> oh a diff kind of plugins track?
02.06.59 #       <tracktheripper> no it was "Multi-loading system to enable firmwares >200kb to load"
02.07.24 #       <ze> can't you actually do that as it is?
02.07.25 #       <midknight2k3> i know
02.07.31 #       <midknight2k3> well SUCK
02.07.41 #       <ze> use ROLO to load >200kb fw?
02.08.01 #       <tracktheripper> but the Archos can only load up to 200kb
02.08.20 #       <midknight2k3> i know
02.08.25 #       <midknight2k3> nah
02.08.27 #       <ze> i thought the limit was in archos' firmware
02.08.29 #       <midknight2k3> i dunno actually
02.08.36 #       <midknight2k3> then why wont it build?! huh huh!?!!?
02.09.10 #       <midknight2k3> well great
02.09.25 #       <midknight2k3> it built before i made a new plugin
02.09.39 Join    thedude02 [0] (Dude@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net)
02.09.46 #       <tracktheripper> hi thedude0
02.09.58 #       <midknight2k3> any other ideas before i recheckout
02.10.03 #       <thedude02> hi
02.10.10 #       <midknight2k3> track: try "the<tab><enter>
02.10.21 #       <midknight2k3> going once
02.10.24 #       <midknight2k3> going twice
02.10.27 #       <midknight2k3> rechecking out.
02.10.59 #       <tracktheripper> thedude02 hi
02.11.01 #       <tracktheripper> tracktheripper
02.11.04 #       <tracktheripper> :|
02.11.11 #       <midknight2k3> ?
02.11.14 #       <midknight2k3> the then tab
02.11.17 #       <midknight2k3> not t then tab
02.11.20 #       <midknight2k3> or press t then tab twice
02.11.26 #       <tracktheripper> top_bloke
02.11.31 #       <tracktheripper> top_bloke Hiya
02.11.36 #       <midknight2k3> three times then
02.11.42 #       <tracktheripper> pokerjoker hi
02.12.00 #       <midknight2k3> what
02.12.02 #       <midknight2k3> lol
02.12.05 #       <tracktheripper> it doesn't work
02.12.11 #       <midknight2k3> it does
02.12.16 #       <midknight2k3> the<tab>
02.12.22 #       <midknight2k3> it should say "thedude02"
02.12.28 #       <thedude02> ?
02.12.32 #       <midknight2k3> nothing
02.12.35 #       <thedude02> k
02.12.39 #       <tracktheripper> leapingfrog
02.12.39 #       <tracktheripper> tracktheripper
02.12.39 #       <tracktheripper> tracktheripper
02.12.40 DBUG    Sent KICK tracktheripper to server
02.12.40 #       <tracktheripper> top_bloke
02.12.41 Kick    (#rockbox tracktheripper :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
02.12.47 #       <thedude02> heh
02.12.49 #       <midknight2k3> hahahaha
02.12.51 #       <thedude02> lmao
02.12.54 #       <midknight2k3> sucka
02.12.58 #       <thedude02> sorry
02.13.01 #       <thedude02> indeed
02.13.08 #       <thedude02> what is considered flooding
02.13.21 #       <midknight2k3> three lines in a row quickly
02.13.36 #       <thedude02> how quickly is quickly?
02.13.41 Join    tracktheripper [0] (~icechat5@ACBF681F.ipt.aol.com)
02.13.42 ***     Alert Mode OFF
02.13.46 #       <midknight2k3> hey
02.13.50 #       <midknight2k3> what you done
02.13.50 #       <midknight2k3> lol
02.13.51 #       <tracktheripper> hi
02.13.58 #       <tracktheripper> sorry flooded by accident
02.14.01 #       <thedude02> that's what you get for saying useless stuff
02.14.02 #       <midknight2k3> i noticed
02.14.17 #       <thedude02> * tracktheripper was kicked by logbot (No flooding!)
02.14.18 #       <tracktheripper> be quiet thedude02
02.14.23 #       <midknight2k3> ok i re-checked out
02.14.24 #       <thedude02> K
02.14.32 #       <midknight2k3> now im gonna build before each update
02.14.36 #       <midknight2k3> to see when it fumbles
02.14.45 #       <midknight2k3> ill start right now without any hacking performed
02.14.50 #       * thedude02 cowers in the corner holding my favorite stuffed animal tight
02.15.04 #       <thedude02> dam I made that mistake again
02.15.05 #       <midknight2k3> made dir, cd'd dir
02.15.07 #       <midknight2k3> made makefile
02.15.10 #       <midknight2k3> building
02.15.13 #       <thedude02> I need to talk in 3rd person
02.15.19 #       <thedude02> now I'll shut uo
02.15.21 #       <thedude02> p
02.15.52 #       <midknight2k3> then i insert my new plugincode, then move my clock over to the new dir
02.15.54 #       <midknight2k3> ta da
02.16.17 #       <thedude02> nih
02.16.18 #       <thedude02> nih
02.16.18 DBUG    Sent KICK thedude02 to server
02.16.18 #       <thedude02> nih
02.16.18 ***     Alert Mode level 1
02.16.18 DBUG    sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*Dude@*.dialip.mich.net
02.16.18 #       <thedude02> nih
02.16.18 Kick    (#rockbox thedude02 :Stop repeating yourself) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
02.16.18 ***     Alert Mode level 2
02.16.19 Mode    "#rockbox +b *!*Dude@*.dialip.mich.net " by logbot (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
02.16.19 Join    thedude02 [0] (Dude@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net)
02.16.19 ***     Alert Mode level 3
02.16.19 DBUG    Sent KICK thedude02 to server
02.16.19 Kick    (#rockbox thedude02 :Go away, you're banned here!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
02.16.19 ***     Alert Mode level 4
02.16.25 #       <midknight2k3> AGAGAG
02.16.56 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.16.59 #       <tracktheripper> serves him right
02.17.01 #       <midknight2k3> ahahaha
02.17.03 #       <midknight2k3> yes it does
02.17.04 #       <top_bloke> hey mid i once compiled rockbox and it filled up my whole hard drive
02.17.23 #       <midknight2k3> you lier
02.18.10 #       <top_bloke> i was screwing around with the code and messed it up
02.18.22 #       <midknight2k3> you lie 
02.18.30 #       <top_bloke> me?
02.18.40 #       <midknight2k3> yes
02.18.51 #       <top_bloke> i'm serious
02.18.58 #       <midknight2k3> k
02.19.50 #       <top_bloke> i think the rockbox.bin(?) was 140 MB
02.20.05 #       <midknight2k3> haha
02.20.10 #       <top_bloke> and it was trying to scramble it and ran out of space on my hd
02.20.17 #       <midknight2k3> ahaha
02.20.26 #       <midknight2k3> /newnewclock/clock-test/build/langu
02.20.27 #       <midknight2k3> or directory
02.20.27 #       <midknight2k3> /newnewclock/clock-test/build/debug
02.20.27 DBUG    Sent KICK midknight2k3 to server
02.20.27 #       <midknight2k3> /newnewclock/clock-test/build/credi
02.20.27 Kick    (#rockbox midknight2k3 :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
02.20.33 #       <top_bloke> it was thrashing at it for a half hour
02.20.35 Join    midknight2k3 [0] (itsme@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com)
02.20.37 #       <midknight2k3> WTH
02.20.39 #       <midknight2k3> stop him
02.20.41 #       <midknight2k3> hes crazy
02.20.50 #       <tracktheripper> hes banned the dude
02.20.58 #       <midknight2k3> i cant make a bit of code public knowledge before he kciks me
02.20.59 Join    thedude02 [0] (dudes@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net)
02.20.59 #       <top_bloke> i like it!
02.21.03 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.21.03 #       <thedude02> there.
02.21.06 #       <top_bloke> logbot rules!
02.21.07 #       <tracktheripper> hi
02.21.13 #       <top_bloke> post it somewhere
02.21.29 #       <top_bloke> instead of flooding everyone
02.21.34 #       <top_bloke> in logbot i trust.
02.21.35 #       <midknight2k3> shutp
02.21.40 #       <midknight2k3> fie
02.21.41 #       <tracktheripper> :))
02.21.42 #       <midknight2k3> i hate you
02.21.54 #       <thedude02> hahahahaha
02.22.09 #       <midknight2k3> we arent friends anymore if we ever were. so there.
02.22.15 #       <thedude02> *and by some miraculous reason I ended that on an "a"
02.22.22 #       <tracktheripper> whats up mid?
02.22.22 #       <top_bloke> thats cold
02.22.31 #       <top_bloke> u didnt have to go there
02.22.43 #       <midknight2k3> toppy:
02.22.48 #       <midknight2k3> it was cold and directed at you
02.22.53 #       <top_bloke> nah whatever youre so moody
02.22.58 #       <thedude02> heheheheh (panting not laughing)
02.22.59 #       <midknight2k3> you wanna see moody?
02.23.07 #       <top_bloke> youre moody as hell
02.23.11 #       <thedude02> you don't want to see him moody
02.23.12 #       * midknight2k3 slaps top_bloke around a bit with a large trout
02.23.15 #       <thedude02> you're moody
02.23.15 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.23.21 #       <midknight2k3> there
02.23.24 #       <top_bloke> hes always moody
02.23.31 #       <thedude02> but HE can become REALLY moody
02.23.38 #       <tracktheripper> leave him top_bloke mid is alright
02.23.38 #       <midknight2k3> OWW
02.23.40 #       <midknight2k3> my finger
02.23.48 #       <midknight2k3> owowow
02.23.58 #       <thedude02> what happened to it?
02.23.59 #       <top_bloke> ultra moody
02.24.03 #       <thedude02> which one?
02.24.07 #       <midknight2k3> pinky
02.24.12 #       <midknight2k3> i hit it on the keyboard drawer
02.24.17 #       <tracktheripper> ouch
02.24.19 #       <tracktheripper> i did that once
02.24.23 #       <thedude02> lmao
02.24.23 #       <top_bloke> yeah thats right
02.24.29 #       <top_bloke> you deserve it
02.24.34 #       <thedude02> I don't have my keyboard in a drawer
02.24.36 #       <midknight2k3> i deserve it AHA
02.24.41 #       <top_bloke> lol
02.24.53 #       <top_bloke> keyboard in a drawer
02.25.02 #       <thedude02> I have it on a sliding shelf that has a tendency to slide in and knock my joystick partially off
02.25.03 #       <midknight2k3> the keyboard tray thing
02.25.06 #       <midknight2k3> YES
02.25.11 #       <midknight2k3> SLIDING SHELF
02.25.15 #       <thedude02> and it doesn't lock
02.25.15 #       <midknight2k3> TYPICALLY CALLED DRAWER
02.25.19 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.25.21 #       <thedude02> NO
02.25.29 #       <thedude02> IT ISNT CALLED DRAWER
02.25.38 #       <thedude02> IT'S CALLED THAT EXACTLY-SLIDING SHELF
02.25.43 #       * midknight2k3 smacks thedude02
02.25.53 #       <thedude02> oh yeah, and about moody, you need to see ME.
02.25.57 #       * thedude02 slaps midknight2k3 around a bit with a large trout
02.26.06 #       <midknight2k3> ill say
02.26.07 #       * thedude02 says midknight2k3 sucks
02.26.16 #       <thedude02> because he does
02.26.20 ***     Alert Mode OFF
02.26.37 #       <midknight2k3> i hope you dont mean what i think you mean
02.26.42 #       <midknight2k3> if you do mean that, you are wrong
02.26.45 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.26.51 #       <thedude02> no, I don't mean you're ***
02.26.59 #       <midknight2k3> uh?
02.27.01 #       <tracktheripper> why don't we all make up?
02.27.24 #       <thedude02> I PMd mid that word so none of you would know
02.27.34 #       <tracktheripper> lol
02.27.37 #       <thedude02> anyways it consists of three letters
02.27.38 #       <thedude02> G
02.27.40 #       <thedude02> A
02.27.41 #       <midknight2k3> g a y
02.27.43 #       <thedude02> Y
02.27.45 #       <midknight2k3> what a bad word
02.27.46 #       <thedude02> exactly
02.27.50 #       <midknight2k3> exactly like the ipod
02.27.53 #       <thedude02> I don't mean you're gay
02.27.56 #       <tracktheripper> :))
02.27.59 #       <tracktheripper> Good one mid
02.28.00 #       <tracktheripper> :)
02.28.04 #       <midknight2k3> lol
02.28.04 #       <thedude02> IPod is cool
02.28.08 #       <top_bloke> u are so childish
02.28.10 #       <tracktheripper> no they aren't
02.28.11 #       <midknight2k3> ahaha
02.28.13 #       <midknight2k3> they suck
02.28.14 #       <midknight2k3> large ones
02.28.16 #       <midknight2k3> yes, THAT WAY
02.28.17 #       <tracktheripper> not with their cruddy battery performance
02.28.47 #       <midknight2k3> they totally just ... never mind
02.28.55 #       <midknight2k3> i wonder if logbot kicks for vulgar
02.28.57 #       <thedude02> the review of the Dell Digital Jukebox says it's about $100 cheaper than iPod and has twice the battery life and is even smaller than the iPod
02.29.07 #       <midknight2k3> not possible, no
02.29.16 #       <midknight2k3> dude: learn some stuff. ipods stink
02.29.18 #       <thedude02> buy one and see
02.29.28 #       <midknight2k3> i dont care for dell
02.29.31 #       <top_bloke> ipod is sleek
02.29.34 #       <thedude02> Get an iPod and a DJ and compare
02.29.40 #       <thedude02> DJ is sleeker
02.29.46 #       <top_bloke> dude! youre getting a dell!
02.29.52 #       <midknight2k3> haha
02.30.00 #       <midknight2k3> a dell jukebox
02.30.01 #       <thedude02> you alreadsy have 6 MP3 players; another 2 won't make a difference
02.30.10 #       <midknight2k3> yes
02.30.13 #       <midknight2k3> they will stink up the house
02.30.15 #       <thedude02> I have everything DELL
02.30.19 #       <midknight2k3> i'd wipe the floow with the Pod
02.30.23 #       <thedude02> but I'm not getting a DJ
02.30.38 #       <thedude02> I don;t give a ruudy dam f*** for MP3 players.
02.30.50 #       <thedude02> sory for swearing.
02.30.53 #       <midknight2k3> ruudy dam f**?
02.30.59 #       <thedude02> sorry for swearing.
02.31.01 #       <midknight2k3> i'd never call that swearing
02.31.07 #       <thedude02> K
02.31.09 #       <thedude02> nor would I
02.31.13 #       <thedude02> but you never know
02.31.19 #       <midknight2k3> logbot decides that
02.31.27 #       <thedude02> thare are more than just us 2 people here
02.31.34 #       <thedude02> there are 23 excluding logbot
02.31.42 #       <midknight2k3> yes
02.31.45 #       <midknight2k3> none of which come around
02.31.51 #       <thedude02> indeed
02.31.54 #       <thedude02> only four
02.31.55 #       <top_bloke> what logbot dont count?
02.31.58 #       <midknight2k3> i doubt any person in here has never seen f*** revealed
02.32.02 #       <top_bloke> logbot is people too
02.32.04 #       <thedude02> me you trackripper and topbloke
02.32.08 #       <midknight2k3> uhm
02.32.10 #       <midknight2k3> lots others
02.32.13 #       <midknight2k3> you just never around
02.32.17 #       <midknight2k3> thank god.. talk trasher
02.32.21 #       <tracktheripper> yea but they aren't speaking
02.32.25 #       <tracktheripper> the others in the list
02.32.38 #       <midknight2k3> better not than saying bad stuff
02.33.08 #       * thedude02 slaps everyone around a bit with a large trout
02.33.18 #       <thedude02> correction:
02.33.36 #       * thedude02 slaps everyone around a lot with a huge spikefish
02.33.42 #       <thedude02> lol
02.34.02 #       <midknight2k3> we dont all play alex 4, sorry
02.34.26 #       <thedude02> hey I only saw that relationship when you told me
02.34.47 #       <thedude02> I just meant a spikefish has spikes so it'll spike verybody who I slap with it
02.35.39 #       <midknight2k3> yes
02.36.09 #       <thedude02> so
02.36.22 #       <thedude02> I'll be going
02.36.24 #       <thedude02> bye
02.36.27 Quit    thedude02 ()
02.39.31 Quit    tracktheripper (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02.54.05 #       <midknight2k3> arghhjkl;''
02.54.11 #       <midknight2k3> qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
02.54.47 #       <midknight2k3> yp[+n;plr divld noh pmrd
02.54.57 #       <midknight2k3> top_bloke sucks big ones ^^
02.55.56 #       <top_bloke> u suck
02.56.12 #       <midknight2k3> i divl!
02.56.25 #       <top_bloke> ?
02.56.50 #       <midknight2k3> u suck! ^
02.59.52 #       <top_bloke> ghjtsho joirhstoitrh rstoirstoitrh
03.00.02 #       <top_bloke> midknight2k3 sucks ^
03.00.15 #       <midknight2k3> ?
03.00.18 #       <midknight2k3> make no sense
03.00.46 #       <midknight2k3> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;dfsasdfasdf;lasdfa'
03.00.48 #       <top_bloke> is does to me
03.00.56 #       <midknight2k3> shuup
03.01.05 #       <midknight2k3> im busy heereeeee
03.01.13 #       <top_bloke> it does to me
03.01.19 #       <midknight2k3> fine
03.01.33 #       <top_bloke> fine. thats fine.
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03.15.51 #       <midknight2k3> hi scott
03.15.55 #       <midknight2k3> scott scott scotty
03.17.09 #       <pokerjoker> you guys still here?
03.17.32 #       <midknight2k3> yes
03.18.30 #       <pokerjoker> how does the picture viewer work onthe daily build?
03.18.44 #       <midknight2k3> picture viewer
03.18.45 #       <midknight2k3> ?
03.18.48 #       <midknight2k3> whazzzat
03.18.56 #       <pokerjoker> yeah theres some kind of pic viewer 
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03.19.14 #       <midknight2k3> oh?
03.19.17 #       <midknight2k3> since when
03.19.44 #       <midknight2k3> and whats it view
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03.21.26 #       <midknight2k3> http://google.com/search?q=picture+viewer+site:rockbox.haxx.se
03.21.26 #       <Jon1> hi 
03.21.29 #       <midknight2k3> hey
03.21.48 #       <Jon1> have a question about jukebox. is this the right place?
03.21.56 #       <midknight2k3> yep
03.22.04 #       <Jon1> thanks
03.22.33 #       <midknight2k3> what is it?
03.22.36 #       <Jon1> i have rockbox v2 on my jukebox. how do i make the songs play sequentially
03.22.40 #       <Jon1> and not alphabetically
03.22.47 #       <midknight2k3> get a daily build fir one thing
03.22.47 #       <midknight2k3> lol
03.23.19 #       <midknight2k3> http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml
03.23.20 #       <Jon1> what?
03.23.26 #       <midknight2k3> get a daily build
03.23.28 #       <midknight2k3> much better
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03.23.54 #       <Jon1> ok. am doing it now
03.24.07 #       <midknight2k3> lots of games :D
03.24.20 #       <midknight2k3> tetris and snake and star and all that
03.24.22 #       <midknight2k3> fun
03.24.52 #       <Jon1> how do i install this build
03.25.28 #       <midknight2k3> just unzip the file to the archos
03.25.31 #       <midknight2k3> its a zip file right
03.25.38 #       <midknight2k3> the top line for "recorder
03.26.26 #       <pokerjoker> hey Jon1.  im a bit green behind the ears too.  Just put the Daily Build on my REcorder a couple days ago
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03.26.53 #       <midknight2k3> lol
03.27.01 #       <midknight2k3> dont mind poker hes a bit odd
03.27.05 #       <midknight2k3> :) j/k
03.27.07 #       <Jon1> ok. thanks guys. i will put the build on the root directory?
03.27.33 #       <pokerjoker> make sure theres a .rockbox directory in your root.
03.27.44 #       <Jon1> yes there is one
03.27.51 #       <pokerjoker> the directions will tell you how to make one.  just make sure the files go in the right place
03.28.38 #       <midknight2k3> yes
03.28.56 #       <pokerjoker> you need that file in the root, and everythign else goes in .rockbox
03.30.03 #       <Jon1> ok. am doing it now
03.30.36 #       <Jon1> i think i did it the right way
03.30.42 #       <Jon1> thanks
03.30.45 #       <midknight2k3> reboot
03.30.52 #       <midknight2k3> then turn of shuffle 
03.30.54 #       <midknight2k3> off*
03.31.01 #       <Jon1> OK. hold on
03.31.06 #       <midknight2k3> i believe that may fix your problem
03.31.18 #       <midknight2k3> pokerjoker is added to the bluelist
03.31.33 #       <Jon1> still rebooting
03.31.38 #       <midknight2k3> oh btw
03.31.44 #       <midknight2k3> if you flash it.. it boots quicker
03.32.02 #       <midknight2k3> >3, <5 seconds
03.32.06 #       <Jon1> Ok. just booted it
03.32.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
03.32.22 #       <midknight2k3> takes a few seconds
03.32.45 #       <midknight2k3> now turn shuffle off (press f2 - top middle button)
03.32.53 #       <midknight2k3> then press the correct arrow key
03.32.56 #       <midknight2k3> as indicated
03.33.12 #       <Jon1> the shuffle is off
03.33.17 #       <midknight2k3> ok
03.33.23 #       <midknight2k3> it should play sequentially
03.33.34 #       <Jon1> i tried playing a folder but the player still plays alphabetically
03.33.36 #       <midknight2k3> unless i don't understand what you mean..
03.33.39 #       <midknight2k3> oh
03.33.41 #       <Jon1> sorry
03.33.42 #       <midknight2k3> well
03.33.45 #       <midknight2k3> nono wait
03.33.54 #       <midknight2k3> you want it out of order?
03.34.00 #       <midknight2k3> shuffle is like random mode
03.34.09 #       <Jon1> let me explain
03.34.11 #       <midknight2k3> what do you want it to do, and what is it doing
03.34.15 #       <midknight2k3> yes please
03.34.38 #       <Jon1> the songs have numbers in front of them, corresponding to the way they 
03.34.45 #       <Jon1> were supposed to play on the original cd
03.34.50 #       <midknight2k3> yes
03.34.53 #       <Jon1> I want them to play in that order
03.35.12 #       <Jon1> However, the display and the order they are played follows an alphabetical order
03.35.18 #       <midknight2k3> is it like "1 - xx" "2 - xx" ... "11 - xx" "12 - xx" ?
03.35.24 #       <midknight2k3> and so on?
03.35.39 #       <Jon1> let me see
03.36.03 #       <midknight2k3> if that is correct you'll want it to be "01 - xx" ... "11 - xx" ...
03.36.13 #       <midknight2k3> aka 0's before single digits
03.36.33 #       <Jon1> The label is 1. All I want
03.36.41 #       <Jon1> "1. All I want"
03.36.54 #       <Jon1> That is how it was automatically encoded on  the computer
03.36.59 #       <midknight2k3> ok
03.37.08 #       <midknight2k3> change single digits to 0x
03.37.14 #       <midknight2k3> add a 0 behind then
03.37.20 #       <midknight2k3> should solve your problems
03.37.37 #       <Jon1> Thanks. Will test that. Can you hold on?
03.37.40 #       <midknight2k3> as is they probably go 1, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 2, 20 etc
03.37.41 #       <midknight2k3> yes
03.37.44 #       <midknight2k3> i stick around all night
03.37.46 #       <midknight2k3> :)
03.41.05 #       <Jon1> thanks. here's what i did. I modified the files on my computer while the jukebox
03.41.15 #       <Jon1> was connected. It did arrange the files to my liking
03.41.23 #       <Jon1> and that did solve the problem. thanks
03.41.45 #       <midknight2k3> yay!
03.41.47 #       <Jon1> I'm sorry but is there an automatic way for the songs to be played the normal sequence
03.42.10 #       <midknight2k3> not really
03.42.15 #       <midknight2k3> what do you use to encode
03.42.37 #       <Jon1> tried windows media player as well as musicmatch
03.42.53 #       <Jon1> they encoded them with the numbers 1..2...3..4
03.44.50 #       <midknight2k3> hm
03.44.59 #       <midknight2k3> i believe you can tell it what to do
03.45.05 #       <midknight2k3> or use Super Tagging in MusicMatch
03.45.41 #       <midknight2k3> try this
03.45.49 #       <Jon1> supertagging. let me see
03.45.51 #       <midknight2k3> go to .rockbox->rocks->snake.rock
03.45.54 #       <midknight2k3> on the archos
03.46.02 #       <midknight2k3> press play on snake.rock
03.46.07 #       <midknight2k3> and give it a whirl
03.50.15 #       <pokerjoker> snake doesnt have anything to do with mp3s
03.50.22 #       <midknight2k3> back in ONE MINUTE
03.50.22 #       <midknight2k3> so
03.50.22 #       <midknight2k3> its fun
03.50.22 #       <pokerjoker> hey jon
03.50.30 #       <pokerjoker> you use windows to encode mp3s?
03.50.46 #       <diddystar5> i do
03.50.46 #       <Jon1> yes. i use windows. am still figuring the supertagging
03.50.48 #       <pokerjoker> windows media player?
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03.50.56 #       <Jon1> yes
03.51.02 #       <pokerjoker> supertagging?  is that like ID3 tags?
03.51.08 #       <diddystar5> i recomend using exactaudiocopy
03.51.20 #       <diddystar5> http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
03.51.22 #       <pokerjoker> i use audiograbber with the LAME encoder
03.51.57 #       <diddystar5> and cdex is good also
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03.52.31 #       <pokerjoker> audiograbbers good, isnt it?
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03.52.46 #       <diddystar5> im not sure     haevnt used it
03.52.55 #       <midknight2k3> i used it
03.52.57 #       <midknight2k3> hey he left
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03.53.29 #       <pokerjoker> Jon is that yu
03.53.39 #       <Guest> im back
03.53.48 #       <pokerjoker> midknight what do you use
03.54.11 #       <midknight2k3> audiograbber sometimes
03.54.12 #       <midknight2k3> usually
03.54.15 #       <midknight2k3> used to
03.54.18 #       <midknight2k3> i dont rip much anymore
03.54.47 #       <pokerjoker> yeah i use v1.8 with the LAME 3.8 encoder
03.55.09 #       <pokerjoker> i stopped ripping after i built up my 100 cd archive two years ago
03.55.12 #       <Guest> this is jon, got renamed to guest due to haste
03.55.17 #       <pokerjoker> but now... im encoding much more
03.55.32 #       <midknight2k3> 18:52:35 | <midknight2k3> hey he left
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03.55.38 #       <pokerjoker> everything at super=hi rate
03.55.38 #       <midknight2k3> i eat my words
03.55.50 #       <midknight2k3> faskernating
04.05.28 #       <pokerjoker> hey jon
04.05.38 #       <diddystar5> goota go
04.05.40 #       <pokerjoker> you should encode with audiograbber 
04.05.40 #       <diddystar5>  bye
04.05.43 #       <midknight2k3> bye
04.05.44 #       <pokerjoker> bye diddy
04.06.04 #       <midknight2k3> ill try clock
04.08.24 #       <diddystar5> bye
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04.08.51 #       <Guest> just finished using the supertag feature of musicmatch
04.09.09 #       <Guest> it works and automatically puts the number as part of the filename
04.09.37 #       <Guest> i just hope i remember to do it next time i "rip a cd"
04.09.38 #       <midknight2k3> like i said
04.09.41 #       <midknight2k3> lol
04.09.45 #       <midknight2k3> good luck
04.09.51 #       <Guest> thanks man
04.09.57 #       <Guest> got to go
04.10.00 #       <pokerjoker> you could get mp3 studio.  pretty good
04.10.05 #       <midknight2k3> cya
04.10.10 #       <midknight2k3> no problemo
04.10.19 #       <Guest> tnx
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04.10.29 #       <pokerjoker> they never listen
04.11.13 #       <midknight2k3> ;\
04.11.14 #       <midknight2k3> ?
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04.30.09 #       <midknight2k3> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04.30.15 #       * midknight2k3 wants to cry
04.53.35 #       <pokerjoker> hey midnkight
04.53.45 #       <midknight2k3> hey
04.53.54 #       <pokerjoker> how important is it to ... uhm... do that VBR thing
04.54.07 #       <midknight2k3> vbr thing?
04.54.10 #       <pokerjoker> i think its "create a VBR header"
04.54.31 #       <midknight2k3> oh.. on+play, update vbr file?
04.56.42 #       <pokerjoker> yeah.  see i just noticed something in Audiograbber, i think, that does that too...
04.57.03 #       <midknight2k3> i dont think its that important
04.57.12 #       <midknight2k3> only useful if your tracks show wrong info or something
04.57.41 #       <pokerjoker> oh ok
04.59.33 #       <pokerjoker> VBR header repair/add:
04.59.40 #       <pokerjoker> under mp3 tag studio
05.00.03 #       <midknight2k3> same as on rockbox
05.00.13 #       <midknight2k3> just do if it shows incorrect time or so
05.00.52 #       <pokerjoker> oh ok.  i see.  thats cool.
05.01.45 #       <midknight2k3> you might wanna check it just in case
05.02.05 #       <pokerjoker> mp3 tag studio has tht option - to fix teh tags.   cool
05.02.36 #       <midknight2k3> just check it
05.04.36 #       <midknight2k3> goddammit
05.04.39 #       <midknight2k3> >:(
05.04.46 #       <midknight2k3> FINALLY!!!!!!!!!
05.04.55 #       <midknight2k3> jesus christ
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06.01.21 #       <midknight2k3> back
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06.15.13 #       <midknight2k3> hi poker
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06.49.23 #       <midknight2k3> hey matsl
06.50.12 #       <matsl> hi
06.55.28 #       <midknight2k3> whatcha doing
07.10.46 #       <midknight2k3> seay
07.10.48 #       <midknight2k3> seeya
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08.55.07 #       <pokerjoker> no one home
09.02.26 #       <webmind> ?
09.08.04 #       <pokerjoker> hi
09.10.57 #       <webmind> oi
09.13.37 #       <pokerjoker> hows it going
09.13.54 #       <webmind> quite good
09.14.01 #       <webmind> you?
09.17.14 #       <pokerjoker> doing alrite.  where you from
09.18.18 #       <webmind> .nl
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09.19.46 #       <pokerjoker> nl ?
09.21.34 #       <pokerjoker> whts that mean
09.21.57 #       <pokerjoker> i just encoded 1.83 gigs of Pet Shop Boys
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09.25.48 #       <webmind> netherlands
09.31.25 #       <pokerjoker> oh k.  i think ive heard of that
09.31.36 #       <webmind> you've heard of it ???
09.31.40 #       <webmind> you think?
09.31.44 #       <pokerjoker> yes.  
09.31.52 #       <webmind> where's you from? us? :)
09.32.04 #       <pokerjoker> yeah.  isnt netherlands a state too?
09.32.11 #       <webmind> lol
09.32.50 #       <webmind> almost these days :)
09.34.37 #       <pokerjoker> im just joking with you
09.34.43 #       <webmind> i know
09.35.05 #       <webmind> but your close.. current gov is sucking bushes arse
09.35.09 #       <pokerjoker> have you upgraded archos hardware before.  like, added more RAM ?
09.35.23 #       <webmind> neh.. i only upgraded my hd
09.35.31 #       <pokerjoker> don't worry about your government... its not like they are representing you.
09.35.50 #       <pokerjoker> no one i know (well maybe one or two people) actually agrees with bush
09.36.04 #       <webmind> well.. that's the idea with democracy.. they do
09.36.07 #       <webmind> just not me
09.36.20 #       <pokerjoker> not many people here like george bush
09.36.31 #       <pokerjoker> the ones who do are too stupid and lazy to vote
09.36.37 #       <webmind> is good.. but he still got elected
09.36.56 #       <pokerjoker> so basically, he just seized control of our country... like a terrorist seizes control of a plane.  how, ironic.
09.37.02 #       <webmind> heh
09.37.20 #       <webmind> you call that a dictator
09.37.24 #       <pokerjoker> anyway.  what kind of HD did you get?
09.37.35 #       <webmind> 40gb one
09.37.40 #       <pokerjoker> yeah i think bush is a tyrant.  people dont realize how fucked up it is
09.37.50 #       <pokerjoker> Ive been looking at 40GB too
09.37.56 #       <webmind> he's a christian fundamentalist aswell
09.38.09 #       <webmind> and those are just as bad as any other
09.38.12 #       <webmind> just bigger
09.39.15 #       <pokerjoker> my grandma is a bit of a fundamentalist.  but shes not an idiot like bush is.  she knows Iraq was stupid
09.39.37 #       <pokerjoker> kinda surprised me, that she would be so wise.   she is from the WW2 generation.
09.40.06 #       <webmind> any kid could've known that what they did too iraq and how they did it was stupid
09.40.10 #       <pokerjoker> the whole situation frustrates me.  but i think it will make people more political now.  everyone is going to vote next election
09.40.19 #       <webmind> hell i know a 10 year old that knew
09.40.36 #       <pokerjoker> yeah, try telling that to a fundamentalist Marine.  
09.40.48 #       <pokerjoker> its easier to be ignorant 
09.41.01 #       <pokerjoker> military people are fucked
09.41.06 #       <webmind> well it makes you think.. there are 10 year old kids smarter then the peopl ruling of a country
09.41.14 #       <pokerjoker> ...and they are self righteous
09.41.26 #       <webmind> of=over
09.41.34 #       <pokerjoker> im not sure i would say smart.  its just a matter of pride
09.41.46 #       <pokerjoker> and vanity
09.42.11 #       <pokerjoker> you have to be really vain to think that by destabilizing a country, that you can make peoples lives better
09.42.29 #       <pokerjoker> but i dont think that bush really believes that.  i think rumsfeld and powell are evil men.
09.42.48 #       <pokerjoker> ever since 1996 i have disliked powell.  i think he is yellow, and i think he is a coward.
09.43.11 #       <pokerjoker> in 1996 both parties wanted him to run for president
09.43.37 #       <pokerjoker> oh well.  its a mess.  like i said, i studied history in college.  and situations like Vietnam are understandable, to me.
09.43.57 #       <pokerjoker> but Iraq, ...Iraq was a scam
09.44.26 #       <webmind> it's egoism
09.44.40 #       <pokerjoker> you ask any professor at a university here and he will tell you bush is wrong.  
09.44.44 #       <webmind> and plain stupid
09.45.08 #       <webmind> they didn't even have a plan for after the war
09.45.14 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, the goals of people like bush is not to "stabilize" the world, but to fuck it up and make some money
09.45.17 #       <webmind> yeah we won!.. now what?
09.45.28 #       <dwihno> stable! stable as hell! :D
09.45.56 #       <pokerjoker> the plan after messing iraq is to get your hands in the rebuilding.   they have a monopoly on contracts, they wouldnt even share with Britain after Blair put his ass on the line
09.45.59 #       <webmind> hell would be correct :)
09.46.02 #       <webmind> morning dwihno 
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09.46.22 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, basicly.. put there where no detailed plans
09.46.29 #       <pokerjoker> After the gulf war, there were several politicians who had contracts on commodities and other things, made billions of dollars.
09.46.46 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, they didnt care about plans.  that wasnt the objective.
09.46.49 #       <dwihno> morning webmind
09.46.53 #       <webmind> yeah
09.47.08 #       <webmind> awell.. it was/is stupid.. 
09.47.14 #       <pokerjoker> the objective, was money and power.  it makes me sick.  i wish Jimmy Carter were president
09.47.26 #       <webmind> who's that ?
09.47.34 #       <pokerjoker> if Carter told me to join the army and fight for him, i would.  and im a passifist
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09.47.37 #       <webmind> i'd wish people would think for them selves
09.47.45 #       <pokerjoker> Carter was a president we had in the 1970s
09.47.52 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, uhm that's bad
09.47.56 #       <pokerjoker> he is very cool
09.48.04 #       <webmind> no person should go above your own principles ?
09.48.07 #       <pokerjoker> he is a humble guy, very very smart, and a humanitarian
09.48.28 #       <pokerjoker> for carter i would.  he is a generous man.  he failed to be reelected though...
09.48.30 #       <webmind> you had a smart person and a humanitarian as president ??
09.48.57 #       <pokerjoker> because he lost to Reagan.   He lost because he had plans and argued on issues for envirmental and energy control
09.49.12 #       <pokerjoker> and all reagan said was "im for democracy and freedom" ... that was bullshit
09.49.17 #       <webmind> heh
09.49.38 #       <pokerjoker> Carter was a great guy, no shit ... he still does stuff.  won a nobel not too long ago
09.49.45 #       <webmind> that's why i wouldn't join the army.. i'd never fight for a country like that..
09.49.57 #       <pokerjoker> he started a program to help homeless people.  does bush care about homeless?  nope.
09.50.03 #       <webmind> well unless loss would be worse.. but i'd prolly not fight within the army
09.50.12 #       <webmind> don't like to be cannon fodder
09.50.21 #       <pokerjoker> me either
09.50.28 #       <pokerjoker> reagan was an asshole
09.50.39 #       <pokerjoker> bush senior was cocky 
09.50.40 #       <webmind> wasn't he an actor aswell ?
09.50.55 #       <pokerjoker> clinton was "ok" i guess.  and bush junior is a poophead.
09.51.17 #       <pokerjoker> reagan was an actor.  acted with the Duke, which is his only redeamable quality
09.51.59 #       <webmind> clinton wasnt much better
09.52.04 #       <webmind> just a little less worse
09.52.53 #       <webmind> problem stays the same though.. a country isnt it's president.. people should just think
09.55.34 #       <pokerjoker> well, its a conundrum
09.55.55 #       <ze> it's no big deal
09.56.18 #       <ze> check out the top post (or 2) on free-zero.yi.org for another perspective
09.57.18 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, not really.. it all lies within people
09.57.28 #       <dwihno> Ditt namn är Jan Banan!
09.58.09 #       <pokerjoker> what does
09.58.18 #       <pokerjoker> people are powerless
09.58.23 #       <webmind> no they are not
09.58.26 #       <pokerjoker> we are bred to be stupid and greedy
09.58.31 #       <ze> people have way more power than they realize
09.58.41 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, doesnt mean you have to follow
09.58.45 #       <ze> even a single individual has more power than most people know
09.58.50 #       <webmind> people have the ability to choose
09.58.54 #       <webmind> they just don't
09.59.05 #       <pokerjoker> do you think that we are evolving, like animals?  no, we are being domesticated like dogs.  The strong are removed.
09.59.35 #       <webmind> actually there is some evolution within humans.. but this i consider a completely different subject
09.59.48 #       <webmind> people just don't do a fuck
09.59.52 #       <ze> thats something that's lost on the bulk of the population though... the fact that most of the major changes in the human world have been set in motion by individuals
09.59.57 #       <webmind> because they think they are happy
10.00.00 #       <webmind> so all is well
10.00.01 #       <pokerjoker> I believe we are devolving
10.00.13 #       <ze> pokerjoker: lots of people on this planet
10.00.29 #       <ze> one can't really say anything about all of them
10.00.35 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, we are not one.. some people do, some people don't
10.00.38 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, people dont do anything - but that doesnt mean that they consider their life fortunate
10.00.44 #       <ze> maybe the masses are devolving
10.00.44 #       <webmind> some people do
10.00.55 #       <ze> but there's still evolution going on
10.01.02 #       <pokerjoker> have you ever lived in the states webmind?  its a lot different here
10.01.15 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, then they think there actions are meaningless
10.01.21 #       <pokerjoker> ze, if theres evolution, its for about 5% of the population or so
10.01.26 #       <ze> pokerjoker: sure
10.01.32 #       <ze> pokerjoker: but thats enough
10.01.32 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, the US aren't the world.. you people should learn that
10.01.37 #       <webmind> lot's f other countries
10.01.39 #       <webmind> +o
10.01.57 #       <pokerjoker> i know people who work 80 hours a week.  80 hours.  and do they think they have control of their lives?
10.02.08 #       <webmind> hmm. i work 24 hours a week :)
10.02.11 #       <ze> heh
10.02.12 #       <ze> i don't work
10.02.14 #       <pokerjoker> never said we were the world.  dont misinterpret what i am saying
10.02.25 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, you implied it.. 
10.02.40 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, but even if you work 80 hours a week.. there is atleast some things you can do
10.02.53 #       <webmind> is=are
10.02.59 #       <webmind> pardon my broken english today
10.03.00 #       <pokerjoker> never implied it at all.  im just saying its different here.  its not like most people think.  Its not "seinfeld" or an episode of "friends"
10.03.13 #       <webmind> heh.. ofcoz not
10.03.14 #       <ze> haha those shows are so dumb
10.03.35 #       <ze> those are like the 2 most perfect examples i know of, of how inane and assinine popular television is
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10.03.42 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, you should know - if you studied the classics - its easier for people to be disenfranchised and led, and to create profit for the upper class
10.03.48 #       <webmind> everyone knows it's like oprah.. ;)
10.04.09 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, ofcourse it's easier.. 
10.04.09 #       <pokerjoker> has technology freed us from work?  no.  
10.04.16 #       <ze> not yet
10.04.26 #       <ze> but corporations and idiots keep holding it back
10.04.33 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, but if people would think they wouldn't be fooled so stupidly
10.04.38 #       <webmind> people just don't know
10.04.41 #       <webmind> that's step 1
10.04.57 #       <pokerjoker> people arent taught to think.  the US is what i know best, and i know how peopel live here.
10.05.05 #       <pokerjoker> its a very stressful, competitive place.  
10.05.22 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, doesnt mean thay shouldn't
10.05.26 #       <ze> it's true, they're not taught to think
10.05.28 #       <ze> they're taught to repeat the tasks given to them
10.05.33 #       <webmind> "you can escape your programming"
10.05.39 #       <webmind> just takes effort
10.06.00 #       <pokerjoker> people cannot enlighten themselves.  its the responsibility of the enlightened to show others.  but education isnt disseminated thru our culture here.
10.06.20 #       <pokerjoker> its all greed, hedonism, self preservation, egotistical and vanity
10.07.01 #       <pokerjoker> well, lets suppose for a moment that i am "enlightened" (for lack of a better word)
10.07.04 #       <webmind> bullshit
10.07.23 #       <webmind> you can enlighten yourself. if you want
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10.07.33 #       <pokerjoker> then why are others not aware of their environment?  because they have been bred to be weak, and led, domesticated
10.07.36 #       <webmind> just not very easy
10.07.43 #       <webmind> some people are
10.07.47 #       <pokerjoker> but some peopel choose not to.  why?
10.07.47 #       <ze> webmind: the problem is they don't have anything to spark it
10.08.08 #       <webmind> ze, true..
10.08.13 #       <webmind> ze, and help does help a lot
10.08.28 #       <ze> personally, i only took what i wanted from public education and rejected a large deal
10.08.31 #       <webmind> but it's not like they can't
10.08.32 #       <pokerjoker> why would someone rather suffer their entire life, hauling lumber on their back instead of getting a nice job with insurance and holidays
10.08.39 #       <ze> not rejected education but the methods mostly
10.08.45 #       <ze> all that rote memorization and repetitive tasks
10.08.54 #       <ze> i got through school on test scores hehe
10.09.02 #       <pokerjoker> i believe its difficult to succeed here
10.09.09 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, because they find hauling lumber satisfying ?
10.09.23 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, there are acually loads of valid reasons
10.09.27 #       <webmind> +t
10.09.29 #       <pokerjoker> and only a few can.  the rest, suck ass their entire lives.  they live in the repetitive cycles of crime and poverty, and poor health
10.09.32 #       <ze> pokerjoker: the perception that it's difficult is the problem
10.09.39 #       <ze> pokerjoker: that's part of what's being taught
10.09.45 #       <ze> pokerjoker: and it's what actually makes it difficult
10.10.12 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, a more valid reason is this:  its easier for people like Bush to say " i like freedom and liberty, now lets work"  then it is for Bush to actually promote education
10.10.16 #       <ze> success is just a matter of keeping trying
10.10.18 #       <ze> heh
10.10.18 #       <webmind> people shouldjust take a look and think on what people are saying
10.10.27 #       <webmind> and i'm not promesing better jobs..
10.10.34 #       <pokerjoker> its easier for the rich to keep the stupid stupider
10.10.34 #       <webmind> that's populistic bullsjit
10.10.53 #       <webmind> true.. but ain't everything
10.11.27 #       <pokerjoker> the solution to 9-11 was this :  better diplomatic and foriegn relations.
10.11.39 #       <ze> heh
10.12.02 #       <pokerjoker> ANYONE with any sense and critical thinking knows to address the problem, and not react to it.  but, the goals for politicians isnt to SOLVE problems
10.12.07 #       <ze> yeah giving the taliban $40mil a few months earlier was such an aggressive thing to do to them
10.12.08 #       <pokerjoker> but to profit from them
10.12.51 #       <pokerjoker> sure, the taliban was great when we were worried about the communists
10.12.56 #       <ze> (which, btw, was equivalent to the taliban's annual budget at the time.. you could say we funded the attack on ourself)
10.13.12 #       <pokerjoker> ze, we did bring it upon ourselves
10.13.21 #       <ze> honestly
10.13.28 #       <ze> i'm not sure i see the taliban's motivation
10.13.47 #       <ze> and i still think it's kinda strange that no responsibilty was claimed
10.13.55 #       <pokerjoker> the responsible action wouldve been to find a solution to the cause of problems. 
10.14.13 #       <webmind> ze, the motivation wasnt about money
10.14.16 #       <ze> i guess one could argue that the attack was self-explanitory enough in it's message, but generally terrorists are trying to make some sorta point and aren't shy about it
10.14.19 #       <webmind> the world isnt about money
10.14.20 #       <pokerjoker> the whole thing stinks doesnt it?  im not sure i believe anything
10.14.42 #       <pokerjoker> webmind the world IS about money 
10.14.47 #       <ze> webmind: i didn't say anything about money
10.14.58 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, no.. that's what they want you to think.. so you play there game
10.14.59 #       <pokerjoker> money and power
10.15.09 #       <pokerjoker> how do i play their game?
10.15.19 #       <webmind> buy asuming the world is about money
10.15.19 #       <ze> i just don't believe that 9/11 is what everybody's been told it was
10.15.22 #       <webmind> but it isnt
10.15.27 #       <webmind> money isnt more then a simple tool
10.15.37 #       <ze> i honestly would not be suprised if the bush's and their friends didn't have something to do with it
10.15.37 #       <pokerjoker> im not sure i get your reasoning
10.15.38 #       <webmind> there's a lot mor too it
10.15.43 #       <webmind> there's +e
10.15.46 #       <webmind> arg
10.15.48 #       <webmind> damn typo's
10.16.15 #       <ze> money's fucked
10.16.18 #       <ze> it's a mass hallucination
10.16.23 #       <ze> especially in the current condition
10.16.36 #       <ze> most of it's value is artificial
10.16.40 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, money is a tool useful for exchange.. nothing more.. the world is a lot more.. and doesnt revolve around it
10.16.48 #       <ze> i guess money is ok if there's real worth attatched to it
10.17.05 #       <ze> but so much of it now isn't even supported by anything
10.17.06 #       <webmind> if the world was about money.. lot's of initiatives i've seen never would've existed
10.17.11 #       <pokerjoker> money represents the distribution of goods
10.17.30 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, you are living in a more socialist area 
10.17.36 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, i try to.. 
10.17.56 #       <webmind> i choose my surroundings carefully
10.17.57 #       <pokerjoker> we are very materialist here
10.18.08 #       <pokerjoker> were you born in the states
10.18.29 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, doesn't mean the world is about money
10.18.39 #       <webmind> if you tihnk that you're basicly lost
10.18.51 #       <pokerjoker> no sir.  if you dont realize it, then you are lost
10.19.07 #       <pokerjoker> perhaps you misunderstand me
10.19.21 #       <pokerjoker> but my contention is this:  things happen for the sake of money and power
10.19.42 #       <webmind> true
10.20.14 #       <pokerjoker> you think Spaniards came to South America to help natives out?  You think Brits stayed in India for a few hundred years because they liked them?  And the French in Asia?
10.20.20 #       <webmind> people are selfish and powerhungry.. and think money will make them happy
10.20.36 #       <pokerjoker> To me, money is not very important.  Im close to being a Buddhist, in many ways. 
10.20.43 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, things happen because of money.. doesnt mean the world is about money
10.21.28 #       <pokerjoker> But money and power - economics - drives everything.  Aristotle said it, Marx restated it, and Bush and Rumsfeld sure as hell know it...
10.21.40 #       <pokerjoker> our fates are decided by money
10.21.51 #       <webmind> not everything by far
10.21.58 #       <webmind> bullshit
10.21.59 #       <pokerjoker> those with it control our destiny, in the material world
10.22.07 #       <webmind> you choose your live
10.22.09 #       <webmind> not money
10.22.21 #       <pokerjoker> webmind you cannot live by yourself
10.22.26 #       <pokerjoker> without others
10.22.39 #       <webmind> depending on where you live, you may have little choice.. but there is -alway- choice
10.22.46 #       <webmind> pokerjoker,  you can.. and people do
10.22.50 #       <pokerjoker> and if you live with others, you depend on their contributions, their assets
10.23.26 #       <webmind> money doesn't decide what i will do tomorrow
10.23.30 #       <pokerjoker> name one group of people who have not been affectd by money
10.23.35 #       <webmind> money doesnt decide what i'm gonna with my life
10.23.47 #       <pokerjoker> webmind have you ever had a job
10.23.54 #       <webmind> i have one now
10.24.00 #       <pokerjoker> would you work for free?
10.24.07 #       <ze> pokerjoker: there's several tribes sprinked throughout the world that have not had any contact with anything from the modern world
10.24.07 #       <pokerjoker> would you continue to work if you didnt get paid
10.24.08 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, i do.. i volunteer
10.24.25 #       <pokerjoker> so the only job you have is a volunteer job
10.24.28 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, if i would be able to survive
10.24.51 #       <ze> there's also plenty of people who hole themselves up in some remote chunk of land somewhere
10.24.54 #       <pokerjoker> but you CANT survive without money.  without becoming part of the system.  Man, havent you ever listened to Roger Waters?
10.24.55 #       <ze> there's always possibilities
10.25.03 #       <ze> pokerjoker: you can
10.25.11 #       <webmind> pokerjoker,  you can.. lots of people do damnit.. get some sense of what happens in the world
10.25.17 #       <ze> there's communes out there too
10.25.25 #       <webmind> and mind you.. i'm not saying money isnt usefull.. it just doesnt rule my life
10.25.33 #       <pokerjoker> ze - many tribes have been killed or moved for land or oil, or religion - and religion (like Catholicism) usually factors back to money and power
10.25.42 #       <ze> pokerjoker: yeah, so?
10.26.03 #       <ze> the point is there ARE groups of people living on this planet that don't use money and aren't being effected by the rest of the world
10.26.18 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, stuff happens for money.. it doesnt make the world though.. only if everyone believes it does.. which is what people with money want you to think
10.26.34 #       <ze> at least not directly.. of course you could say our contributions to global warming and air pollution and stuff has an impact on them, but that's not what we're talknig about so hehe
10.26.39 #       <webmind> money is useful as trade too aswell..
10.26.42 #       <pokerjoker> my point is, economics drives history.  its a matter of time before everyone becomes part of the machine
10.26.58 #       <ze> it's not a matter of time
10.27.14 #       <webmind> i don't work here -because- i get paid.. i could work somewhere else if this place suit me anymore
10.27.15 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, i have seen many things in my time, and the result has been a rejection of money and material wealth
10.27.36 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, that's because people believe in it.. 
10.27.41 #       <webmind> only reason why it works
10.27.52 #       <ze> pokerjoker: would you have seen those things without this state of affairs?
10.28.08 #       <ze> pokerjoker: you say they're breeding dogs
10.28.08 #       <pokerjoker> what state of affairs are you reffering to
10.28.23 #       <ze> pokerjoker: yet it's this very machine that's provided you with the information and motivation to come to such conclusions
10.28.31 #       <ze> pokerjoker: there's always cracks in the wall
10.28.34 #       <ze> pokerjoker: always.
10.29.11 #       <pokerjoker> its predominately the rule though
10.29.24 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, i use money yes.. i don't live by it.. money wouldn't determin my vote.. if i would fight or not.. or what things i choose to live for
10.29.43 #       <ze> technology's reaching a point (and may get there sooner than anybody realizes) where something new can happen
10.29.52 #       <webmind> money helps me provide as a tool.. not a goal.. otherwise i'd be working a lot better job
10.29.58 #       <pokerjoker> there might be a band of monks that live in Temple A on the outskirts of civilization. But when Civilization B gets tired of being disenfranchised, people result to greed.  Its human nature, and survival
10.30.08 #       <ze> it's coming to the point where it's sufficiently advanced to be used to either enslave or free people
10.30.15 #       <ze> each to a much higher degree than ever before in history
10.30.24 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, greed is MADE human nature
10.30.31 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, it's a cultural thing
10.30.37 #       <webmind> not natural
10.30.44 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, i dont believe that many people consciously choose to do things for the sake of money.  most people do not
10.30.51 #       <ze> actually from what i've read greed is part of the survival instinct
10.30.53 #       <pokerjoker> that doesnt make at any less of a factor though
10.30.54 #       <ze> a leftover from harder times
10.31.07 #       <ze> and there's nothing wrong with greed
10.31.17 #       <ze> most people just have it misplaced
10.31.21 #       <ze> you should be greedy for life and experience
10.31.33 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, it is a factor.. because people believe in it.. i'm not dening it doesnt have power.. but the power is -only- there because people believe in it
10.31.36 #       <ze> not material wealth
10.31.48 #       <webmind> the less people believe.. the less power
10.31.53 #       <pokerjoker> for my example, i was trying to say something along the lines of China and Tibet.  kinda skewed it though
10.32.07 #       <webmind> and that's the point.. you shouldn't believe. it's in your disadvantage anyway
10.32.21 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, if people did not believe in money - in a unifying factor - their would be chaos, or complete assimilation.
10.32.33 #       <webmind> pokerjoker,  i didn't say that
10.32.46 #       <webmind> i said people shouldn't believe in the -power- of money
10.32.55 #       <ze> forget about money
10.32.57 #       <pokerjoker> you said several times, "money is a factor" because people believe it
10.33.01 #       <ze> it's exactly what you think it is but it doesn't matter
10.33.08 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, within power
10.33.13 #       <ze> you can live without it
10.33.26 #       <ze> and not only that, but credit and inflation and such
10.33.44 #       <ze> have pretty much dug into the foundations of our economic system so deep that it doesn't have the support it needs to survive
10.33.59 #       <ze> like i said, too much of the money out there doesn't have anything backing it
10.34.21 #       <ze> i'm not saying it's all just gonna collapse soon or anything
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10.34.32 #       <ze> but it's certainly not here to stay
10.34.32 #       <ze> heh
10.34.35 #       <pokerjoker> webmind:  what troubles me about this topic is that you seem to be addressing some personal aspect of my life, and i am speaking about the influence on society as a whole
10.34.37 #       <tracktheripper> morning
10.34.40 #       <pokerjoker> that is my perspective
10.34.46 #       <webmind> pokerjoker,  i am not
10.34.53 #       <tracktheripper> morning webmind
10.34.57 #       <webmind> morning tracktheripper 
10.35.03 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.35.07 #       <ze> so just start a campaign to educate people on the truth
10.35.10 #       <pokerjoker> all you need is love
10.35.11 #       <tracktheripper> makes a change that you didn't say "oi" this time
10.35.11 #       <tracktheripper> lol
10.35.14 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, the point is.. the world is about yourlife.. and mine.. and ze's and tracktheripper's
10.35.25 #       <tracktheripper> and midknight2k3s
10.35.35 #       <pokerjoker> ze, i have tried to be benevolent and kind and helpful to people, but they would rather be ignorant to the truth
10.35.42 #       <webmind> it's about people.. the things that actually are on this planet
10.35.48 #       <ze> pokerjoker: everybody's got their perspective
10.35.52 #       <webmind> money isn't anything by itself
10.35.59 #       <ze> pokerjoker: you can get anybody from any perspective to any other perspective
10.36.05 #       <tracktheripper> What happened to the rockbox chat that used to be on here
10.36.07 #       <tracktheripper> >
10.36.08 #       <tracktheripper> ?
10.36.08 #       <ze> pokerjoker: the trick is just in the dynamic feedback
10.36.22 #       <webmind> tracktheripper, i noticed pokerjoker was american and couldn't resist ;)
10.36.28 #       <ze> pokerjoker: you have to link from what's there
10.36.30 #       <pokerjoker> yes ze, but some peoples perspectives are really stupid and flawed.  im not talking about you guys ... im talking about people who agree with my president and war and such.
10.36.56 #       <ze> pokerjoker: you just have to know where they're at and how to go from there to where they need to be
10.37.08 #       <pokerjoker> ze, their may be a method to it.  they call it charisma i think.
10.37.22 #       <ze> well
10.37.27 #       <ze> it's not all about charisma
10.37.31 #       <webmind> everyone has it's own level of understanding.. but they should understand
10.37.34 #       <pokerjoker> true.  havent thought of that, though i see what you are saying
10.37.37 #       <ze> charisma helps, but that's not what it is
10.37.50 #       <pokerjoker> then again, if i were closeminded, then i might never see your point of view
10.37.58 #       <ze> but that is another approach, with charisma you can sell most people almost anything
10.38.13 #       <pokerjoker> i know what you saying though
10.38.24 #       <webmind> close minded is one of the stupidest things you can be.. the chances of 1 person actually being absolutely right...
10.38.27 #       <webmind> :)
10.38.29 #       <pokerjoker> and web, i hope you didnt argue with me b/c im from the states, seriously
10.38.35 #       <ze> heh
10.38.40 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, neh. :)
10.39.02 #       <ze> pokerjoker: part of the thing of getting through to people is reading their current state
10.39.13 #       <pokerjoker> nebraska?
10.39.17 #       <ze> every education is tailored to the individual
10.39.45 #       <ze> the method is to be aware and dynamic, to not use a method :p
10.39.47 #       <pokerjoker> lots of pragmatic people though, its not easy to "help" them
10.40.04 #       <ze> it doesn't matter what perspective they have
10.40.12 #       <ze> what matters is understanding what perspective they have
10.40.22 #       <pokerjoker> well, for example
10.40.31 #       <pokerjoker> i have this friend who is very reasonable
10.40.37 #       <webmind> actually.. telling people the truth usually doesnt help a lot
10.40.38 #       <ze> you just gotta find the bits to throw them that they'll take to
10.40.38 #       <ze> heh
10.40.46 #       <webmind> showing them on the other hand
10.40.46 #       <pokerjoker> but he has reasoned some unreasonable thoughts.  he has been misled.
10.41.06 #       <ze> webmind: good point
10.41.11 #       <ze> there's a lot more to communication than just words
10.41.12 #       <pokerjoker> his point of view is selfish and intolerant, he is racist and hateful.  i cannot change that i believe.  how can you?
10.41.18 #       <ze> experience is the most powerful thing there is to a human mind
10.41.50 #       <webmind> ze, because the most trust worthy person is yourself.. in anycase
10.42.04 #       <pokerjoker> hell, ive met fundamentalist christians with PhD's who would NEVER listen to you say something.  i suppose its postmodern  - or something
10.42.09 #       <ze> webmind: well hopefully, for most people
10.42.10 #       <ze> hehe
10.42.17 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, reminds me of a episode of the twilight zone :)
10.42.21 #       <pokerjoker> some people have reasoned themselves to be unreasonable
10.42.40 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, just beat they're reasoning
10.42.42 #       <ze> pokerjoker: but there's always a way to reason them out of it... but like webmind pointed out, it might take more than words
10.42.45 #       <webmind> if you're right.. it's possible
10.43.08 #       <ze> shit it's almost 2am
10.43.15 #       <pokerjoker> but they root their reason is arguments like "well, it is just my world view that there is a creator"  or "Well, its my belief that might makes right"
10.43.17 #       <webmind> 10.40 here
10.43.17 #       <ze> i was supposed to go to bed Earlier tonight not later
10.43.40 #       <pokerjoker> if someone attaches himself to a core belief like that, after about 25 years of living, its hard to pry them from it
10.43.43 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, look at the flaws then
10.43.54 #       <webmind> christianity has loads of them
10.44.00 #       <webmind> and don't point them out
10.44.02 #       <webmind> use them
10.44.09 #       <pokerjoker> sure, you could take them to Rwanda and show them reality ... but these people dont have to experience this, so they never will
10.44.27 #       <webmind> christianity for instance is very selfish belief...
10.44.59 #       <webmind> it's inflexbile.. self powering
10.44.59 #       <pokerjoker> how would you reason someone out of being christian
10.45.04 #       <ze> webmind: thats funny cause most people aren't selfish enough
10.45.12 #       <webmind> ze, exactly.. 
10.45.26 #       <webmind> show them what they are really doing
10.45.43 #       <ze> pokerjoker: don't use reason
10.45.49 #       <ze> pokerjoker: religion isn't based on reason
10.45.49 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, depends on the person.. and how they believe.. as ze's said.. it's tailer made
10.46.01 #       <webmind> ze, uhm.. but reason can beat it
10.46.07 #       <ze> webmind: indeed
10.46.14 #       <pokerjoker> i think you guys are full of demons.  someone get the stocks ready.  build a fire.
10.46.14 #       <ze> but
10.46.20 #       <ze> as pokerjoker seems to know
10.46.33 #       <ze> it tends to close itself off from logical scrutiny
10.46.45 #       <webmind> mind you.. i don't deny the existance of a god.. but i do claim the belief in it as mainly used is abusing
10.47.01 #       <webmind> although abusing isnt the right word
10.47.13 #       <webmind> ze, true
10.47.26 #       <webmind> ze, b ut if you show them.. they'll have to see it
10.47.37 #       <webmind> it's not a miracle system.. it takes time
10.47.42 #       <ze> yeah
10.47.56 #       <ze> one time i had this dream where i had godlike powers
10.48.04 #       <webmind> but if they can't avoid it.. they'll have no choice
10.48.08 #       <pokerjoker> how old are you guys?  no bullshit.
10.48.10 #       <ze> and after flying around and stuff for a bit we went into this church
10.48.22 #       <ze> and i started telling them all about how their religion was bullshit and etc
10.48.39 #       <ze> and i was like here watch i'll prove it, i'll create life and i manifested a tree
10.48.43 #       <ze> heh
10.49.14 #       <webmind> ze, godlike powers can be extremly boring btw.
10.49.14 #       <ze> which is kinda weird cause i was actually christian at the time i had the dream, and for a few years after... it wasn't untill several years later that i even remembered having it
10.49.23 #       <webmind> ze, heh
10.49.36 #       <ze> well they weren't so godlike afterall
10.49.43 #       <webmind> ze, god was showing you that you shouldn't believe in him :)
10.49.47 #       <ze> at the end of the dream i tried to do something and fucked up and tore some kinda hole in reality
10.49.59 #       <ze> and like lost my powers before getting sucked into it
10.50.00 #       <ze> heh
10.50.12 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, why?
10.50.14 #       <dwihno> \o/
10.50.21 #       <tracktheripper> hi Dwihno
10.50.23 #       <ze> pokerjoker: i'll be 23 dec 9
10.50.31 #       <dwihno> Hi track!
10.50.36 #       <pokerjoker> im 26
10.50.36 #       <tracktheripper> hello
10.50.37 #       <tracktheripper> :)
10.51.00 #       <webmind> ze, you're 2 months older :)
10.51.03 #       <webmind> er
10.51.03 #       <webmind> 3
10.51.08 #       <webmind> minus a little
10.51.09 #       <ze> oh yeah? hehe
10.51.52 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, but what kinda archos do ya have? :)
10.52.58 #       <pokerjoker> a christian one
10.53.14 #       <ze> heh
10.53.18 #       <webmind> aw, you painted a cross on it ?
10.53.20 #       <webmind> ;)
10.53.25 #       <pokerjoker> its a 20gig recorder.  paid 83 bucks for it.  thats like, 70 euros or something
10.53.35 #       <webmind> damn.. that's uhm cheap
10.53.37 #       <ze> nice
10.53.38 #       <ze> hehe
10.53.55 #       <pokerjoker> got it on ebay.  it was "broken' until i ran scandisk. works like new.  no HD errors
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10.54.01 #       <ze> hehe
10.54.02 #       <webmind> lol
10.54.18 #       <pokerjoker> im loading some pet shop boys on it
10.54.26 #       <ze> goddamnit i gotta get up at 9am tomorrow and i'm not even really tired
10.54.35 #       <pokerjoker> ze wher u from
10.54.39 #       <ze> california
10.54.45 #       <pokerjoker> never heard of it
10.54.47 #       <ze> hehe
10.54.54 #       <pokerjoker> i just want to say i really like you rockbox guys
10.55.07 #       <webmind> awww, thank you :)
10.55.13 #       <pokerjoker> no hard feelings about our heated exchange ok
10.55.20 #       <ze> hehe
10.55.24 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, i might come live with you for a few weeks ok
10.55.26 #       <webmind> i do not see why.. 
10.55.31 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, why?
10.55.42 #       <pokerjoker> my ex girlfriend wants me to go see her in germany
10.55.46 #       <pokerjoker> i dont know if its a good idea
10.55.59 #       <webmind> heh.. germany isn't really nearby though
10.56.03 #       <pokerjoker> so, if i cant stay with her, or this other german girl i know, then im coming to stay with you!
10.56.22 #       <ze> webmind: where are you?
10.56.25 #       <webmind> hmk don't sure if ya like it or that i've got a place to crash
10.56.25 #       <pokerjoker> its closer than moscow.   and the russians i know dont like me anymore
10.56.28 #       <webmind> ze, netherlands
10.56.36 #       <webmind> ze, but i don't really live anywhere here
10.56.39 #       <ze> heh
10.56.40 #       <webmind> move around a lot
10.56.53 #       <webmind> change is good :)
10.56.57 #       <ze> yeah
10.57.19 #       <ze> i like to travel, i wish i could be out roaming around most of the time
10.57.34 #       <ze> in fact, i'm out to explore the universe
10.57.37 #       * webmind thinks of moving out of the country for a year
10.57.45 #       <webmind> actually planning on visiting the us next year
10.57.51 #       <ze> i'll let you guys know when i get my intergallactic spacecrafts together
10.58.06 #       <webmind> ze, plz do.. love to hitchike along :)
10.59.51 #       <pokerjoker> what is the best way to organize mp3s on your archos?
11.00.12 #       <ze> depends on your selection
11.00.24 #       <ze> what worked best for me was like Artist/Album/#-Track.mp3
11.00.34 #       <pokerjoker> when i had a 20 gig player, i had ten directories, like A Thru C was one, then D thru F was another...
11.00.46 #       <ze> you could do that too
11.01.03 #       <pokerjoker> well, that (what i did) is probably the best way to go for a "player"
11.01.18 #       <pokerjoker> but since i get so many lines on my recorder, your method might be best
11.01.32 #       * webmind uses artist-album/#-track.mp3 mainly although on my hd i store  them with artist/album/#-track.mp3
11.01.38 #       <ze> *shrug* it can still be a lot to go through
11.01.44 #       <ze> depending, again, on your selection
11.01.59 #       <ze> i've got a zen these days actually
11.02.05 #       <pokerjoker> zen?
11.02.07 #       <ze> it's a lot nicer to browse cause it's got a scrollwheel
11.02.21 #       <ze> you can skip through a lot quick or go slow etc
11.02.25 #       <webmind> if you have a lot of loose mp3's artist/album is undesirable
11.02.31 #       <webmind> ze, have you seen the new rio ?
11.02.39 #       <ze> webmind: or lots of VA stuff
11.02.44 #       <ze> webmind: the karma? looks fucking sweet
11.03.51 #       <webmind> uhuh
11.04.31 #       <ze> still i won't be satisfied till it's all something completely different from the current paradigm
11.05.09 #       <webmind> what paradigm ?
11.05.29 #       <ze> i want virtually unlimited storage with total overkill quality and without a box :p
11.05.51 #       <ze> and by overkill quality i mean like the level of the most sophisticated audio equipment on earth today
11.05.56 #       <pokerjoker> ok i got a new method for organizing
11.06.09 #       <webmind> ze, 300GB close enough ?
11.06.17 #       <ze> webmind: not even
11.06.28 #       <webmind> terabyte ?
11.06.34 #       <ze> it's hard to estimate
11.06.40 #       <ze> think like ridiculous
11.06.58 #       <ze> think beyond current digital limits
11.07.11 #       <ze> think like a full perfect reproduction of audio
11.07.25 #       <ze> including velocity and directional information of each component and etc
11.07.25 #       <ze> heh
11.07.50 #       <ze> like an exact copy made of the 4D accoustic environment
11.07.58 #       <webmind> well.. 5min of raw audio is 50meg right.. add some lossless compression 50% 
11.08.08 #       <webmind> album is about 60min ?
11.08.20 #       <ze> no no no
11.08.30 #       <ze> i'm talking far beyond whats possible with our current technology :p
11.08.34 #       <webmind> aah
11.08.34 #       <webmind> ok
11.08.47 #       <webmind> you perfectly recorded resonation
11.08.55 #       <ze> like think in terms of CD quality being worthless low-res crap
11.09.18 #       <webmind> so.. uhm.. why ?
11.09.27 #       <webmind> at a certain point you wont hear the difference anymore
11.09.37 #       <ze> like think in terms if you were to take this sortof stream of audio and wish to isolate some far beyond audible range 
11.09.54 #       <ze> you could extract that information from it perfectly as it existed when it was recorded
11.10.01 #       <webmind> hmmm k
11.10.06 #       <ze> and do scientific analysis and get accurate results
11.10.08 #       <ze> heh
11.10.23 #       <ze> webmind: because there's more to sound than what you can hear
11.10.24 #       <webmind> and know the location of it relative to the recording devive?
11.10.31 #       <ze> and you never know what information could be useful
11.10.57 #       <ze> webmind: sure
11.11.27 #       <ze> another thing is that inaudible components can feasible contribute audibly through interference effects
11.11.46 #       <ze> some of which could be lost with any current sampling methods
11.11.46 #       <ze> heh
11.12.19 #       <ze> and other things, you know there's lots of odd stuff in this universe, strange effects that we don't tend to consider
11.12.51 #       <ze> our basic perception of things is based on strange effects
11.12.55 #       <ze> resonance, energy propagation, etc
11.13.01 #       <pokerjoker> you mean like spirits?
11.13.25 #       <pokerjoker> are you talking about an audio-ectoplasmic generator?
11.13.45 #       <pokerjoker> or "regenerator" 
11.14.02 #       <ze> the way things look, there's so many different physical effects that contribute to the different way materials and other things produce the visual information we recieve of them
11.14.03 #       <pokerjoker> or does this border more on time travel
11.14.13 #       <ze> pokerjoker: what're you talking about?
11.14.35 #       <ze> you do realize that resonance plays a key role in both sight and sound right?
11.14.55 #       <pokerjoker> im joking.  we understand what you are saying ze
11.14.59 #       <ze> hehe
11.15.03 #       <pokerjoker> can i ask a serious, boring question
11.15.16 #       <ze> is it really boring? go ahead
11.15.29 #       <pokerjoker> im a bit confused about "deep discharge" and trickle charge
11.15.36 #       <ze> oh, that is boring
11.15.37 #       <ze> heh
11.15.59 #       <ze> yeah i dunno, i had a player and then i had an fmrec and neither of those had those
11.16.02 #       <pokerjoker> well, it seems to me that you should only be able to turn one of those on at a time
11.16.42 #       <pokerjoker> do you understand web?  im confused about it
11.17.04 #       <webmind> sorry.. i got a player.. 
11.17.08 #       <webmind> doesnt have that function
11.17.18 #       <pokerjoker> oh.  why dont you ever get a recorder?
11.17.33 #       <webmind> cos i don't have the money ?
11.17.39 #       <webmind> well i do
11.17.40 #       <pokerjoker> ok
11.17.47 #       <webmind> but don't wanna spend so much on it
11.17.51 #       <webmind> since i have a player
11.18.04 #       <pokerjoker> keep your hard drive, sell your player
11.18.11 #       <ze> yeah i was honestly planning on keeping my player untill about the 2nd or 3rd generation portable video devices came out
11.18.26 #       <pokerjoker> buy a used Recorder 15, pop out the 15 gig HD and sell it too... 
11.18.26 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, my player is uhm.. somewhat modded :)
11.18.30 #       <ze> but i ended up getting 2 free upgrades so far from bestbuy under the service plan when the others broke
11.18.33 #       <ze> heh
11.18.48 #       <pokerjoker> webmind what do you have on it
11.19.15 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, well the adapter has nice green lights.. and the player itself no casing
11.19.22 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
11.19.22 #       <ze> heh
11.19.33 #       <ze> so thanks for going back to mundane stuff, now i can go to bed... night :p
11.19.38 #       <pokerjoker> adapter?  
11.19.55 #       <pokerjoker> ze goodnight
11.20.07 #       <pokerjoker> see you soon i hope.  happy thanksgiving
11.20.23 #       <webmind> nite ze 
11.20.28 #       <webmind> thanksgiving ?
11.20.40 #       <pokerjoker> yes
11.20.56 #       <webmind> isn't that the fest where you celebrate the opression over the natives ?
11.21.30 #       <pokerjoker> we celebrate not getting involved in WW2 until the last minute, because of smart ass europeans
11.22.06 #       <webmind> and then claim it was you who came to the rescue? you and you alone freed us from the nazi's ?
11.22.17 #       <webmind> :)
11.22.18 #       <pokerjoker> well it sure as hell wasnt the French
11.22.28 #       <webmind> nope.. the canadians :)
11.22.32 #       <pokerjoker> and i dont think the Germans were stopping the Nazis.  Nein
11.22.39 #       <pokerjoker> Fuck the canadians.
11.22.47 #       <webmind> the russians helped a lot too
11.22.49 #       <webmind> and the english
11.22.57 #       <pokerjoker> yeah right.  you really know your history.
11.23.02 #       <webmind> uhm yes
11.23.04 #       <webmind> but do you ?
11.23.09 #       <pokerjoker> i liked how the russians helped the Jews out in Prague.  remember that one?
11.23.27 #       <webmind> don't recall
11.23.35 #       <pokerjoker> all stalin and hitler agreed on was not to get into it too early on, so they could all fuck up europe in their own way.  remember that treaty?
11.23.55 #       <webmind> but you only joined in because of that the germans attacked your trade ships
11.24.13 #       <pokerjoker> ok my bad.  it wasnt prague, maybe it was poland.  Stalin came in with propaganda and told the poles to rise up against hitler,
11.24.28 #       <pokerjoker> and when the jews did so, stalin left them cold.  and hitler wiped them out
11.24.31 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, you seem to have different history books
11.24.35 #       <pokerjoker> it was an evil little trick
11.25.01 #       <pokerjoker> webmind i think german tradeships is more WW1
11.25.07 #       <webmind> ah yes
11.25.10 #       <webmind> my bad
11.25.17 #       <pokerjoker> webmind dont dissapoint me!
11.25.17 #       <webmind> japan was the thing right for ww2 ?
11.25.24 #       <pokerjoker> allow me to tell you about thanksgiving now
11.25.52 #       <pokerjoker> contrary to popular belief, the "natives" werent oppressed quite like you might imagine
11.26.31 #       <pokerjoker> its a bit of a misnomer.  and just because there were some people who did evil things in the name of "america" doesnt mean that the majority of the population was evil
11.27.01 #       <pokerjoker> most people have indian relations here.  most scots and irish and french who settled here were friendly with the natives
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11.27.34 #       <pokerjoker> however there were hostile tribes, and there were government operations that seized land (not too different from Iraq)
11.27.58 #       <pokerjoker> most people, on the low levels, tried to get along in the states, throughout history.
11.28.31 #       <pokerjoker> hell, even in Memphis blacks and whites got along fairly well between 1920 and 1960s
11.28.53 #       <pokerjoker> its just unfortunate that some people screw things up
11.29.34 #       <pokerjoker> or misunderstand things.  relations with natives was not peaceful all the time, and native to native relations werent always peaceful either.
11.29.55 #       <pokerjoker> but there have been lots of people who crossed the boundaries of "difference" and learned to get along with others
11.30.20 #       <pokerjoker> you see, the thing that gets me is, i had a sociology teacher who told us that he would NEVER celebrate thanksgiving
11.30.48 #       <pokerjoker> his reasoning was very liberal, and although i heard him out and considered it for a while, i had to ultimately reject it, because it was just crazy liberal crap
11.31.05 #       <pokerjoker> kind of like a Michael Moore documentary
11.31.14 #       <webmind> uhm
11.31.16 #       <pokerjoker> ok i rest now
11.31.18 #       <webmind> uhm
11.31.29 #       <webmind> that documentary seemed rather good actually
11.31.48 #       <pokerjoker> no, its very ungood.  roger and me?  or Bowling for columbine?  both are ungood
11.31.56 #       <webmind> why ?
11.31.58 #       <pokerjoker> doubleplus ungood
11.32.10 #       <webmind> he made some rather good points on guns
11.32.26 #       <pokerjoker> b/c it is very biased and illogical. 
11.32.37 #       <pokerjoker> dammit
11.32.44 #       <pokerjoker> i cant believe you think its a good movie
11.32.51 #       <pokerjoker> this hurts my heart so much
11.33.03 #       <webmind> now that is close minded
11.33.05 #       <pokerjoker> he fails to explain the truth
11.33.12 #       <webmind> plz do the
11.33.14 #       <webmind> n
11.33.23 #       <pokerjoker> guns are a part of our culture
11.33.33 #       <pokerjoker> they are not evil.  in fact they are good.
11.33.36 #       <pokerjoker> they are tools
11.33.43 #       <webmind> uhm.. he doesnt say guns are evil..
11.33.45 #       <pokerjoker> Moore grew up in Michigan
11.34.13 #       <pokerjoker> do you know that in Minnesota and Michigan, people sustain themselves mostly on game?
11.34.33 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, he doesnt say guns are evil
11.34.51 #       <pokerjoker> in the 70s and 80s, i belive the stats were that most Minnesota residents got 70% of their meat from game
11.34.55 #       <webmind> have you actually watched the entire movie ?
11.35.05 #       <pokerjoker> what does he say then?  that dick clark is responsible for homicide
11.35.18 #       <webmind> he refers to the media
11.35.21 #       <webmind> as hyping it up
11.35.28 #       <pokerjoker> i watched it all.  it was negative.  he blamed corporations for the problem
11.35.31 #       <webmind> creating fear
11.35.36 #       <webmind> no
11.35.39 #       <webmind> he blaimed the media
11.35.43 #       <webmind> who is indeed the blame
11.35.59 #       <webmind> there is reason us media is one of the lesser free media's of the world
11.36.02 #       <pokerjoker> then why did he attack celebs?  isnt THAT a poor use of media?
11.36.12 #       <webmind> celebs ?
11.36.20 #       <pokerjoker> celebrities ...
11.36.46 #       <webmind> i don't recall him doing that in the movie
11.36.48 #       <pokerjoker> his use of the media was moronic, to blame Heston and dick clark for deaths
11.36.55 #       <oxygen77> \part
11.36.56 #       <pokerjoker> it was sad
11.36.59 Part    oxygen77
11.37.02 #       <webmind> mind you.. i didn't say it was a good documentary.. but he had a good point in the end
11.37.13 #       <pokerjoker> the point about the media bothers me
11.37.25 #       <pokerjoker> personally, i dont pay attention to the media. 
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11.37.35 #       <webmind> 99% of people does
11.37.39 #       <webmind> oxygen77, ?
11.37.49 #       <pokerjoker> CNN and ABC and CBS are all biased and stupid.  i would rather watch BBC or independent newlinks
11.37.50 #       <webmind> +the
11.38.06 #       <webmind> BBC isnt a US channel
11.38.10 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, not in the states.  Not many people do, especially in my generation
11.38.34 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, for some reason they do seemed influenced by it
11.38.35 #       <pokerjoker> Tom Brokaw and DAn Rather, they know the only people who watch them are WW2 and babyboom era people.
11.38.38 #       <webmind> -d
11.39.07 #       <pokerjoker> i think that my generation - either because they are desensitized or wiser - pay little attn to the media's 
11.39.10 #       <pokerjoker> "rants"
11.39.34 #       <pokerjoker> thats an observation.  may be just wishful thinking.  we are more globally minded.
11.40.02 #       <webmind> i maybe can't judge much.. but i think it might be jsut your direct surrounding
11.40.10 #       <pokerjoker> "Fear" is pumped mostly into the older generation, that dealt with the Depression, the world wars, cold war, etc.  They worry, and they are abused by the media
11.40.41 #       <pokerjoker> they also trust the media, becuase they were brought up to trust their country 
11.40.57 #       <pokerjoker> and the media whores them.  makes them afraid.  takes their money.
11.41.08 #       <pokerjoker> but my generation isnt so much like that
11.41.24 #       <pokerjoker> for better or worse, we are skeptics
11.41.24 #       <webmind> i hope so
11.41.32 #       <pokerjoker> how old r u
11.41.49 #       <webmind> read back
11.41.51 #       <pokerjoker> michael moore is as guilty as the rest of the media
11.42.10 #       <webmind> michael moore doesnt seem to choose any side in his documentary
11.42.21 #       <webmind> i'd sugest you watch it again
11.42.21 #       <pokerjoker> he doesnt tell teh truth
11.42.24 #       <pokerjoker> tell me web...
11.42.27 #       <webmind> ya seemed to have missed some things
11.42.33 #       <pokerjoker> no web
11.42.37 #       <pokerjoker> dont diss me like that
11.42.49 #       <pokerjoker> explain to me why a bank would hand out guns?
11.42.56 #       <pokerjoker> why would a bank do that web?  why? do you know why?
11.44.04 #       <pokerjoker> remember when he got the bank account and they offered him a rifle?
11.44.58 #       <pokerjoker> he never did explain "Why" they gave him a rifle, of all things
11.45.26 #       <pokerjoker> to europeans, it must just be because americans are violent, murderous bastards
11.46.38 #       <webmind> i'm not dissing
11.47.03 #       <webmind> and i'm mainly refferning to the end of the movie
11.47.28 #       <webmind> as during it.. he mainly asks a lot of questions
11.47.45 #       <webmind> maybe rediculing where unapropriate
11.48.06 #       <webmind> but his end point is rather good
11.48.13 #       <pokerjoker> he is misleading
11.48.39 #       <pokerjoker> he fails to prove his point.  if there is one thing i know its sociology and such - his documentary is a lie
11.48.51 #       <pokerjoker> it is poorly made and poorly representative of the truth
11.49.07 #       <pokerjoker> he is like Rush Limbaugh, equally as bad - only the exact opposite
11.49.14 #       <webmind> i can't agree with ya.. but won't discuss it now
11.51.57 #       <pokerjoker> europeans hate the states
11.52.16 #       <pokerjoker> if you were chinese, i would say "i cant blame you" ...but you are western like me
11.52.46 #       <webmind> i am not
11.53.24 #       <webmind> and i don't hate north america.. beautyfull country
11.53.32 #       <webmind> quite some nice people aswell
11.53.38 #       <webmind> i do hate certain ideas and actions
11.54.06 #       <webmind> and maybe people who are awere o that they are manipulating and destroying other people
11.54.12 #       <webmind> but mainly i don't hate people
11.54.17 #       <webmind> hate is bad
11.54.32 #       <pokerjoker> moore dissapointed me
11.54.39 #       <pokerjoker> webmind i have to tell you
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11.54.43 #       <pokerjoker> im not a social person
11.54.48 #       <webmind> oi LinusN 
11.54.54 #       <pokerjoker> im not athletic and im not technically minded
11.55.07 #       <pokerjoker> i spent my entire life asking these questions
11.55.19 #       <webmind> what questions ?
11.55.21 #       <pokerjoker> why ... why about basically everything thats ever happened
11.55.30 #       <webmind> hmk
11.55.39 #       <LinusN> webmind: yo
11.55.43 #       <pokerjoker> i think i have some of the answers
11.55.49 #       <webmind> LinusN, sup.. 2.1 comming up?
11.56.07 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, work with them then? and asume they can be wrong
11.56.19 #       <pokerjoker> i will shuttup about it though.  what i really want to know is how to get my battery charged
11.56.25 #       <webmind> ah ok
11.56.32 #       <pokerjoker> webmind, my ideas arent wrong.  trust me
11.57.03 #       <LinusN> webmind: we have to sort out the documentation details, like the manual, release notes and stuff
11.57.11 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, i won't i don't even fully trust myself with it
11.57.23 #       <dwihno> \o/ linus \o/
11.57.29 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, and thinking -you- are right is quite closeminded.. you can always be wrong
11.57.38 #       <pokerjoker> well, if you cant believe in anything, then i pity you
11.57.41 #       <LinusN> dwihno: i salute you, my apprentice
11.57.41 #       <webmind> LinusN, documentation? yay! :)
11.58.00 #       <pokerjoker> webmind you have to have belief in something. and when you reason out the correct answer you cant keep doubting
11.58.00 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, don't i'm very happy how i live.. i believe in everything.. 
11.58.25 #       <pokerjoker> well do me a favor and dont believe in michael moore
11.58.45 #       <webmind> i don't believe in him anymore then any other person
11.58.45 #       <pokerjoker> he should be discredited 
11.59.05 #       <webmind> i just take up the information.. and use it.. apropriatly
11.59.29 #       <webmind> but nothing.. litterly -nothing- is absolute in my world
11.59.42 #       <pokerjoker> how do you know you use it appropriately?  you should doubt yourself as much as you tell me to accept my possible wrongness
11.59.42 #       <webmind> litteraly
12.00.14 #       <dwihno> LinusN: I'm young padawan :D MPEG header learning, I must!
12.00.16 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, because i know it's value.. 
12.00.20 #       <pokerjoker> somethings have to be accepted
12.00.23 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, and ofcourse i doubt it..
12.00.29 #       <pokerjoker> there are laws to this world
12.00.39 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, only relative to certaint things
12.00.52 #       <pokerjoker> things such as reality
12.01.08 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, let's not discuss reality.. 
12.01.14 #       <pokerjoker> why not?  
12.01.20 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, you really don't want that with me.
12.01.32 #       <pokerjoker> suspending reality is the first step in many theories
12.01.45 #       <webmind> reality is a joke in many ways..
12.01.55 #       <webmind> but the discussion in irrelevant
12.01.56 #       <pokerjoker> hows that
12.02.10 #       <webmind> i said.. let's not discuss it
12.02.12 #       <webmind> and i won't
12.02.28 #       <pokerjoker> alright.  no reality.  i guess its not relevant.  though im not sure if i agree
12.02.31 #       <webmind> it can be fun at times.. but i see no use
12.02.41 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, it doesnt matter if you agree or not
12.02.59 #       <pokerjoker> as i said earlier, these "world building" theories people use, basically guide their whole cosmogony
12.03.18 #       <pokerjoker> are you a nihilist
12.03.34 #       <webmind> don't think so
12.03.44 #       <webmind> but i see -everything- relative
12.04.01 #       <pokerjoker> relative to what
12.04.05 #       <webmind> everything
12.04.25 #       <webmind> example:
12.04.39 #       <pokerjoker> well thats a good start.  but, if someone is talking about something outside your experience, how can you make a sound judgement
12.04.53 #       <webmind> the information you give me, is relative to how trustworthy i think you are and how much the data could make sense
12.05.23 #       <webmind> on reliability that is
12.05.32 #       <webmind> i also combine it with my own experiences
12.05.34 #       * LinusN is surprised how little technical rockbox talk there is on this channel nowadays
12.05.42 #       <pokerjoker> if thats the case then, i only wish to futher add to your "database" of relativity
12.05.46 #       <webmind> information other people have given me
12.05.52 #       <webmind> and how trustwordthy that it
12.06.01 #       <webmind> LinusN, uhm.. sorry.. couldn't resist :)
12.06.16 #       <pokerjoker> Linus can you help me with battery issues for Recorder?
12.06.17 #       <webmind> pokerjoker, you do.. and so does LinusN here..
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12.06.53 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: what's the prob?
12.07.14 #       <pokerjoker> im not sure i understand why "deep discharge" and "Trickle" can work... 
12.07.22 #       <pokerjoker> i mean, can you set them both to "yes" ?
12.09.17 #       <pokerjoker> and if you can set deep disharge and trickle to yes, then dont they cancel eachother out?
12.11.37 #       <LinusN> hehe, i agree
12.11.42 #       <LinusN> let me check that out
12.12.22 #       <pokerjoker> maybe checking YES on deep discharge cancels out the YES in Trickle
12.13.30 #       <LinusN> from what i can see, it works like this:
12.13.48 #       <LinusN> the deep discharge option only controls when to start charging
12.14.31 #       <pokerjoker> ok.  and trickle?
12.14.36 #       <LinusN> at 10% battery capacity or at 90%
12.14.42 #       <pokerjoker> trickle controls when to Stop charging?
12.14.58 #       <LinusN> and trickle controls if it is to maintain the voltage after charging
12.15.30 #       <LinusN> if tricke is off, it will stop charging and not restart charging until the voltage drops below the threshold
12.16.05 #       <LinusN> if trickle is on, it will maintain the charge until you disconnect the charger
12.16.29 #       <LinusN> so, having both set to yes makes little sense
12.16.59 #       <pokerjoker> trickle... hmm hold on
12.19.55 #       <pokerjoker> trickle charge is needed to keep the batteries full after charging, because the JB cannot be turned off while its connected?
12.20.03 #       <pokerjoker> not sure what that means
12.20.17 #       <pokerjoker> oh
12.20.28 #       <pokerjoker> so it keeps the batteries at full charge 
12.20.39 #       <pokerjoker> wouldnt that damage them though, in the long run?
12.22.22 #       <LinusN> yes, that's why you have the deep discharge option
12.22.48 #       <LinusN> so they should really be combined into one "charging strategy" option, imho
12.23.05 #       <LinusN> Normal, Deep discharge, Trickle
12.23.10 #       <LinusN> or something
12.23.36 #       <LinusN> the deep discharge option is for those who always keep the jukebox connected to the charger, to not waer out the batteries
12.23.42 #       <LinusN> wear
12.24.11 #       <pokerjoker> ok linus.  so lets say that you have batteries at 9% and you want to hook the JB up to the wall outlet AND use it for a couple hours.  what do you choose?
12.24.21 #       <pokerjoker> oh ok
12.25.05 #       <pokerjoker> and trickle is used when the batteries are full.  for some reason this simple thing confuses me
12.25.56 #       <LinusN> still confusing?
12.27.21 #       <pokerjoker> well, when my batteries are dead, like 6%, then i take it and hook it up, and set DEEP DISCHARGE to ON and Trickle to OFF ... right
12.29.56 #       <LinusN> the trickle charge option only controls what happens when the batteries are charged
12.30.45 #       <LinusN> the deep discharge option controls what to (re)start charging, below 10% or below 90%
12.30.54 #       <LinusN> s/what/when/
12.31.24 #       <LinusN> in your example, it won't matter how you set either option
12.31.51 #       <LinusN> it will start charging regardless of the discharge setting, since the battery level is below 10%
12.31.52 #       <pokerjoker> ok.  and the default is NO to deep discharge and YES to trickle?
12.32.01 #       <LinusN> i think so, yes
12.32.32 #       <pokerjoker> i think i will keep deep discharge YES to deep discharge and NO to trickle.  
12.33.20 #       <pokerjoker> oh another big Q.  what is that Car Adapter optoin!!
12.34.04 #       <pokerjoker> option.   on the daily build
12.35.42 #       <LinusN> it is a feature that attempts to behave when you connect the jukebox to a car charger adapter
12.37.21 #       <pokerjoker> i have a car charger adapter
12.37.41 #       <LinusN> it pauses the music when the external power disappears, and resumes when it comes back
12.38.38 #       <pokerjoker> bbl
12.38.49 #       <pokerjoker> im asbout to pass out.  its 6.40. am ... been up too late. 
12.38.58 #       <pokerjoker> i will heed your advice.,  thank you
12.40.39 #       <pokerjoker> goodnight for now
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14.36.52 #       <upiom> What voltage is a powersupply for an archos recorder 6GB suppused to produce?
14.42.06 #       <webmind> i'll take a look
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14.42.27 #       <webmind> upiom, 9volts
14.43.37 #       <upiom> webmind: thanks.
14.44.15 #       <webmind> np
14.44.27 #       <webmind> why btw?
14.46.29 #       <upiom> My jukebox has been broken for some month and I havn't really looked in to it (happend about the same time as the guaranty expired). I got a "read access error". Now I've fiddled abit with it and it's still somewhat broken but atleas occasionaly boots up.
14.46.59 #       <webmind> hmk
14.48.17 #       <upiom> I took out the disk and plugged it into my pc and ran scandisk and all kindes of stuffed. The disk seemd to work. I put the disk back in the archos and it seemed to work. I screwd the archos together, confident that I had fixed the problem and bang, it didn't work
14.49.03 #       <upiom> turned out that if I unscrew two of the torx-screws on the left side of the machine it works (most times). It the screws are in it doesn't.
14.49.40 #       <webmind> odd
14.50.05 #       <upiom> very
15.06.34 #       <oxygen77> I heard of somebody having the same problem with its JBMM
15.10.07 #       <upiom> Well it's better then not running at all. But I'd  actually rather see that the disk was broken or something that could be fixed more permenantly. The player doesn't have a very solid feeling anymore. Don't even know if I dare to put it in a poket
15.11.23 #       <upiom> well gotta go. Maybe i should write a page about the problems i got incase anyone is interested.
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15.45.14 #       <quelsaruk> :)
15.53.30 #       <quelsaruk> anyone alive?
15.57.04 #       <webmind> ?
15.57.51 #       <quelsaruk> webmind, have you seen zagor today?
15.58.21 #       <webmind> nope
15.58.47 #       <quelsaruk> ouch
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18.25.25 #       <Bluechip> anybody here able to help me resolve an "Error 255" during "make" in the "plugins" directory?
18.27.05 #       <ze> thats not the error, look a bit higher
18.27.51 #       <Bluechip> no OBVIOUS error mesages :(
18.31.25 #       <Bluechip> any idea what I might be looking for?
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18.33.37 #       <ze> well some command's failing and it should give an error message and then a couple error's like that coming out of make afterward
18.35.10 #       <ze> look between the last thing that looks like a commandline and that Error 255, it should be in there
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18.38.25 #       <Bluechip> fone brb
18.51.31 #       <Bluechip> sorry about that - friends hey!  who would have them ;)
18.52.24 #       <Bluechip> simply says "make[2]: entering dir: plugins" then "make[2]: [all] error 255" :(
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19.59.38 #       <tracktheripper> the battery meter takes ages to appear on the latest bleeding edge
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20.02.38 #       <tracktheripper> or oi
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20.15.22 #       <Dogger> hey
20.15.27 #       <tracktheripper> hello
20.15.34 #       <Dogger> hey
20.15.46 #       <tracktheripper> lol we had the Mafia in here yesterday :)
20.16.34 #       <Dogger> lol nice,
20.16.42 #       <Dogger> mafia being?
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20.46.04 #       <Nibbler> :)
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21.42.44 #       <quelsaruk> seen ozric01 this night?
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21.58.35 #       <quelsaruk> cu soon!
21.58.39 #       <uski> cu
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22.18.40 #       <Bagder> hey
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22.24.30 #       <Bagder> hey
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22.27.47 #       <Bagder> any v2 user in?
22.27.58 #       <Bagder> or v2 owner rather
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22.28.55 #       <Bagder> I found the usb problem
22.29.14 #       <nz> what was it?
22.29.25 #       <Bagder> a stupid platform check
22.29.29 #       <nz> k
22.29.30 #       <Bagder> that wasn't fixed for the v2
22.29.36 #       <nz> k
22.29.37 #       <Bagder> so it used the plain recorder code
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22.32.39 #       <nz> oui
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23.31.11 #       <tracktheripper> hi
23.31.15 #       <webmind> oi
23.31.28 #       <tracktheripper> hi webmind
23.31.40 #       <tracktheripper> on the latest daily build the battery meter takes ages to apperar
23.31.44 #       <tracktheripper> appear
23.34.30 #       <tracktheripper> hello?
23.38.23 #       <webmind> ah
23.38.25 #       <webmind> no clue
23.38.30 #       <webmind> sorry not completely here
23.38.40 #       <tracktheripper> don;t think anyone is lol
23.38.55 #       <tracktheripper> i wouldn't touch an Ipod with a cheap 1980s walkman
23.38.58 #       <tracktheripper> gonna make tea
23.38.59 #       <tracktheripper> brb
23.40.05 #       <webmind> lol
23.45.01 #       <tracktheripper> hi
23.47.06 #       <tracktheripper> Which is faster, a 2.4Ghz Celeron or a 2.4Ghz Pentium?
23.47.30 #       <webmind> pentium
23.47.32 #       <webmind> more cache
23.48.08 #       <tracktheripper> I would think that they would run theoretically at the same speed being 2.5Ghz
23.48.30 #       <webmind> yes
23.48.40 #       <webmind> clockspeed the same
23.48.56 #       <webmind> but speed is also dependant on memmory speed
23.49.09 #       <tracktheripper> ok so would a 2.4Ghz Celeron be faster than a 1.5Ghz Pentium?
23.49.41 #       <webmind> in execution ?
23.49.43 #       <webmind> dunno
23.49.53 #       <webmind> clockspeed ofcoz slower
23.49.58 #       <tracktheripper> oh ok
23.50.02 #       <webmind> but intels are hard to benchmark
23.50.07 #       <webmind> cisc junk
23.50.08 #       <tracktheripper> ol
23.50.09 #       <tracktheripper> lol
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