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01.27.01 #       <flick> Hi!
01.27.33 #       <flick> I have a question...I bought a Jukebox recorder V2 today...can I load rockbox on it?
01.27.51 #       <flick> I could see support for recorder v1 in the FAQ and pictures
01.27.58 #       <flick> wondering if v2 is very different
01.32.32 #       <hardeep> flick: v2 support is available in the daily builds
01.35.02 #       <flick> thanks hardeep
01.36.08 #       <flick> that's encouraging. One of the reasons I went for the Archos instead of an iPod was because of the open nature of things
01.36.27 #       <flick> I didn't want to buy an iPod and get stuck with a closed DRM infested player
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01.59.29 #       <flick> does rockbox allow OGG playback?
02.00.07 #       <flick> never mind
02.00.14 #       <flick> the FAQ has a response
02.00.25 #       <flick> my mistake, sorry
02.02.40 #       <hardeep> the only mp3 player I know of that supports OGG is the Rio Karma
02.07.53 #       <ze> the neuros or somesuch does too i think
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02.35.03 #       <yeft> hry
02.35.08 #       <yeft> you guys ever heard of .shn?\
02.36.28 #       <yeft> moo?
02.39.02 #       <yeft> if i had to pick the worst thing about this mp3 player...it would be that it can only play mp3s
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03.48.39 #       <morrisonpeter> Can anyone hear me?
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04.59.08 #       <ILuvit> Hi guys wats up
04.59.08 #       <ILuvit> I got a fm recorder
04.59.08 #       <ILuvit> I found a bug in the 11/30 release when you go to the FM radio and select a station it says it's in stereo but the sound is mono
04.59.28 #       <ILuvit> When I press the ON button it exits the FM screen and I start hearing the radio in stereo
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05.00.15 Nick    orthogonal is now known as earHertz (~chatzilla@pool-138-88-69-78.res.east.verizon.net)
05.00.25 #       <earHertz> Hello?
05.00.36 #       <ILuvit> hi
05.01.04 #       <earHertz> Any major changes to rockbox since  July?
05.01.54 #       <ILuvit> i dont know
05.02.23 #       <ILuvit> I found a bug in the 11/30 release when you go to the FM radio and select a station it says it's in stereo but the sound is mono
05.02.23 #       <ILuvit> <ILuvit> When I press the ON button it exits the FM screen and I start hearing the radio in stereo
05.02.37 #       <earHertz> hmm
05.04.15 #       <ILuvit> there isnt much chat in here?
05.05.01 #       <earHertz> not tonight, anyway
05.06.08 #       <ILuvit> which archos you own earHertz?
05.06.35 #       <earHertz> fmr. It's a bit broken right now
05.06.54 #       <ILuvit> i got one too
05.07.34 #       <ILuvit> i just flash mine today
05.07.44 #       <earHertz> too much pressure on the top left bumper causes it to freeze. Tooo little causes it not to boot
05.09.39 #       <ILuvit> wish i could help.... maybe you got a short
05.10.25 #       <earHertz> Probbaly. I think it's on the back of the circuit board. But I'm not any good at soldering
05.12.18 #       <ILuvit> did you drop it?
05.13.33 #       <earHertz> no. I bent the back plate changing the hdd. Then I had it in my front pocket, and compressed it.
05.16.36 #       <ILuvit> ooh... what size drive you got in it now?
05.17.21 #       <earHertz> 60
05.18.18 #       <earHertz> it worked severla months with teh new drive. Compressing it was the problem.
05.19.50 #       <ILuvit> maybe you should go back and check the Hdd connections
05.21.24 #       <earHertz> not it.
05.21.37 #       <ILuvit> i had to return one... i pressred on it too hard and the LCD stoped working
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05.21.50 #       <earHertz> I opened it up, and found precisly where pressure would screw it up
05.22.27 #       <ILuvit> ooh  ok
05.23.20 #       <earHertz> I stuck some wooden matches under the board, and that helps a little
05.23.33 #       <earHertz> but there must be a crack or break
05.23.38 #       <earHertz> in a connection
05.23.40 #       <earHertz> a wire
05.24.52 #       <ILuvit> the guys in here dont say much
05.29.27 #       <earHertz> Been a while since I've been here.
05.29.39 #       <earHertz> As the box has been broken
05.30.32 #       <ILuvit> i come in once in a while but i never see anyone talking
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05.30.54 #       <midknight2k3> yo
05.31.00 #       <ILuvit> hi
05.31.06 #       <earHertz> hi
05.31.22 #       <earHertz> What's new in rockbox, midk?
05.32.23 #       <midknight2k3> EARHURT!
05.32.31 #       <midknight2k3> i missed you
05.32.54 #       <midknight2k3> i just thought about you... yeasterday
05.33.26 #       <earHertz> aww.
05.33.32 #       <earHertz> My box has been broken
05.33.55 #       <earHertz> and the recorder battery savings test data were weird.
05.34.05 #       <midknight2k3> lol
05.34.17 #       <midknight2k3> poor you
05.35.31 #       <earHertz> what's new with rockbox?
05.39.51 #       <earHertz> jhjhj
05.44.07 #       <midknight2k3> sorry
05.44.10 #       <midknight2k3> what
05.44.12 #       <midknight2k3> PLUGINS
05.44.17 #       <midknight2k3> lots of neat stuff
05.44.22 #       <midknight2k3> wish your archos worked
05.44.34 #       <midknight2k3> i remember when you hold it the "external" goes up like 6volts
05.44.35 #       <midknight2k3> lol
05.44.41 #       <midknight2k3> used to*
05.45.05 #       <scott666> heyh
05.45.10 #       <midknight2k3> scotty
05.45.19 #       <scott666> i can't use my FMR
05.45.23 #       <scott666> school sucks with no music
05.46.20 #       <scott666> damn you headphone jack...
05.46.31 #       <earHertz> yeah, the stupid voltage via the backplate crap
05.46.45 #       <earHertz> what's wrong with it scott?
05.46.54 #       <scott666> its not soldered together anymore
05.46.59 #       <earHertz> ah.
05.47.29 #       <earHertz> I'm sending mine to NewMP3Technology
05.47.31 #       <scott666> so if a try to wiggle the jack around i can get _some_ sounnd, but it's become too much of a hassle to use
05.47.59 #       <earHertz> they charge $99
05.48.15 #       <scott666> yeah, i'm not willing to pay that
05.48.46 #       <earHertz> I tried using matchsticks to hold things in place. try that
05.50.05 #       <scott666> yep
05.50.10 #       <scott666> err
05.50.23 #       <midknight2k3> earHertz, getting it back soon?
05.50.36 #       <earHertz> haven't sent it yet.
05.50.46 #       <scott666> the last time i opened mine up i saw the headphone jack was on the inside
05.50.51 #       <earHertz> I spent the weekend opening it up and inserting matchsticks
05.50.54 #       <scott666> like between the two boards
05.50.55 #       <midknight2k3> lol
05.51.00 #       <midknight2k3> scott: fmr?
05.51.00 #       <earHertz> yeah
05.51.02 #       <midknight2k3> rip it open
05.51.07 #       <earHertz> bewteen the board and the battery
05.51.10 #       <midknight2k3> yes
05.51.24 #       <scott666> yeah
05.51.32 #       <scott666> and i don't have a soldering iron
05.51.38 #       <earHertz> I have an iron.
05.51.39 #       <scott666> or else i'd've fixed it by now
05.51.49 #       <earHertz> i don''t know how to use it
05.52.15 #       <earHertz> radio shack will sell you a grounded iron for at $10
05.52.38 #       <midknight2k3> earHertz, why not "earHurts"
05.52.53 #       <earHertz> becuse my ear stopped hurting long ago
05.53.10 #       <midknight2k3> you mean your ear actually hurt?
05.53.16 #       <midknight2k3> thats where the nick came from?
05.53.26 #       <earHertz> yeah, i started cjhatting whenI had anear infection
05.53.43 #       <midknight2k3> well
05.53.44 #       <midknight2k3> comeone
05.53.49 #       <midknight2k3> you are known as earHurts
05.53.52 #       <midknight2k3> not Hertz
05.53.55 #       <midknight2k3> so hmph
05.54.06 #       <earHertz> people will recognoze erarHertz; you did
05.54.37 #       <scott666> hell. i didn't even notice a difference until you pointed it out
05.54.48 #       <earHertz> see
05.54.56 #       <scott666> puns are better anyways
05.55.34 #       <scott666> or homophones at least
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05.55.57 #       <earHertz> those silly homos and their phones
05.56.10 #       <scott666> yeah
05.58.38 #       <earHertz> scott any new recent rockbox features?
05.59.09 #       <scott666> i'm sure
05.59.23 #       <scott666> ummm....the chip8 emulator
05.59.26 #       <earHertz> let's see $270 for thr FMR, $170 for the HDD, $99 for the repair: $439, I could have bought an ipod
05.59.37 #       <earHertz> wazza that?
05.59.47 #       <scott666> plays .ch8 games
05.59.53 #       <scott666> they're all terrible though
06.00.04 #       <earHertz> anything else?
06.00.11 #       <scott666> but would it have been a 60GB ipod?
06.00.25 #       <earHertz> true, it wouldn't be 60
06.00.32 #       <scott666> support for the V2 recorder
06.00.45 #       <scott666> *thinks back*
06.00.48 #       <earHertz> what's the v2 recorder?
06.00.49 #       <scott666> err
06.00.54 #       * scott666 thinks back
06.01.10 #       <scott666> its teh FMR
06.01.28 #       <scott666> but it's labeled "recorder v2"
06.01.39 #       <scott666> and the radio may or may not work
06.02.02 #       <scott666> the VU meter
06.02.20 #       <scott666> the .rockboix browsing patch
06.02.46 #       <scott666> the approaching release of 2.1
06.03.01 #       <earHertz> what's in 2.1
06.03.14 #       <scott666> the current daily build
06.03.39 #       <earHertz> ah
06.03.46 #       <midknight2k3> 2.1?
06.03.47 #       <midknight2k3> what?
06.03.50 #       <midknight2k3> theres 2.1 now?
06.03.58 #       <earHertz> thanks
06.04.02 #       <midknight2k3> psh
06.04.02 #       <scott666> not yet
06.04.26 #       <scott666> manual update in progress: http://www.peterschlenker.de/rockbox/manual_draft.pdf
06.04.32 #       <midknight2k3> I READ THAT SCOTT
06.04.41 #       <midknight2k3> new AV380
06.04.47 #       <midknight2k3> av3XX but with 80gb
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06.06.13 #       <scott666> heh
06.06.17 #       <scott666> those are great
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06.06.31 #       <scott666> 01,9901,0104my friend fats is a hell of a guy, and just as long as he's high, he has no anxieties, about his chemical dependancies04,9901
06.07.06 #       <midknight2k3> what?
06.07.10 #       <midknight2k3> OH THANK GOD
06.07.14 #       <midknight2k3> logbot is not an op anymore
06.07.19 #       <midknight2k3> fats?
06.07.24 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.07.26 #       <scott666> 04yeah
06.07.45 #       <midknight2k3> you are such a joker 
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06.07.52 #       <scott666> 04hey? why is my font colorful, it's not supposed to be in IRC
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06.08.25 #       <scott666> ...better?
06.08.26 #       <scott666> ok
06.08.47 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.08.49 #       <midknight2k3> "fats"
06.08.51 #       <midknight2k3> ok cya 
06.08.52 #       <midknight2k3> gotta go
06.08.56 #       <midknight2k3> good luck earhurts
06.09.00 #       <midknight2k3> fix it scott
06.09.03 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.09.15 #       <midknight2k3> hmm
06.09.20 #       <midknight2k3> oh well anyways
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11.38.35 #       <dwihno> anyone around?
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15.44.29 #       <quelsaruk> hi
15.44.30 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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16.08.41 #       <quelsaruk> me
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16.09.12 #       <quelsaruk> cu l8r!
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18.02.14 #       <dhq1> hi
18.02.43 #       <dhq1> i have a question about a feature which isn't implemented, but I was just wondering about the feasability of implementing something like it
18.02.52 #       <dhq1> (im a programmer, but have no embedded systems experience)
18.04.09 #       <dhq1> anyways, what I was wondering is how possible it would be to  connect a compact flash card reader to the archos(w/ a female-to-female USB adapter) and have it read files off of the flash reader and store them on the hard drive
18.04.13 #       <dhq1> would this be possible?
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18.16.44 #       <cwa2> I'm confused by the digital i/o faq. I have a Jukebox fm recorder (20gb), am I able to hook it up to my cd player's optical out w/ an optical cable, or do I need another type of cord? Also can I plug an fiber-optic cable into my mini-disc recorder from the jukebox's (supposed) digital out? I get the impression that the digital out isn't optical though.
18.26.07 #       <oxygen77> dhq1:  I'm not sure but I think that 
18.26.18 #       <oxygen77> this is impossible since USB is just
18.26.27 #       <oxygen77> a bridge with the HD
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18.34.04 #       <cwa2> not USB
18.34.18 #       <oxygen77> ???
18.34.20 #       <cwa2> thin fiber-optic cables I'm trying to use
18.34.36 #       <oxygen77> I was responding to dhq1
18.35.57 #       <cwa2> oh, sorry
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18.50.51 #       <cwa2> recording thru line-in automatically picks up the radio? how can I turn that off? it's bleeding into my line-in
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20.06.13 #       <dhq1> oh -- the USB port is directly bridged to the hard drive? Like, it doesn't pass through the processor at all first
20.06.33 #       <oxygen77> no I don't think so
20.06.46 #       <dhq1> so the processor on the jukebox wouldnt be able to send/recieve commands thru the USB port from the card reader?
20.07.00 #       <dhq1> darn...that rains on my parade a little bit
20.07.36 #       <dhq1> oxygen77: do you know anything about the archos gmini device?
20.07.46 #       <oxygen77> sorry, this was already discussed some times ago
20.07.55 #       <dhq1> oh ok, my bad
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20.47.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> good evening!
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20.49.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> nobody listening?
20.52.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I need somebody with a flashed or flashable FM
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20.59.01 #       <uski> [IDC]Dragon: i am listening, but i can't help you ;(
20.59.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you don't even have a flashed recorder :(
21.00.48 #       <uski> true ;)
21.00.57 #       <uski> btw, no news from Kamayaka (or sth like that) ?
21.01.02 #       <uski> the one who found 3¤ flash chips
21.01.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> found 3?
21.03.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you're probably talking about the guy who couldn't find enough contributors for his mass order
21.14.08 #       <uski> right
21.14.20 #       <uski> damn, im ready to buy 10 if it helps :)
21.14.37 #       <uski> i'll find some use for the spare chips
21.14.37 #       <dhq1> how much do you get off if you have a mass order?
21.15.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> dhq1: you do get them at all, that's thepoint.
21.20.15 #       <dhq1> oh
21.20.18 #       <dhq1> ...ok...
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21.30.41 #       <dhq1> the gmini 120 cant run the rockboxx OS right?
21.31.05 #       <uski> right
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21.32.38 #       <dhq1> blast
21.32.47 #       <dhq1> is there another free alternative to the one given to you?
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21.46.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> next try: anybody here meanwhile with a flashed FM or at least recorder?
21.52.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> uski: I've emailed Jan that you take 10 ;)
21.55.41 #       <uski> yea
21.56.03 #       <uski> BUT i want SST39VF040
21.56.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what for?
21.56.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have such, but it's useless
21.58.02 #       <uski> if i take 10, i will have a lot of speare chips
21.58.06 #       <uski> so i will use them in other applicationbs
21.58.11 #       <uski> ...where i might need more space
21.58.25 #       <uski> so, i am okay to take 10, but i want the biggest chips as possible
21.58.37 #       <uski> i want to use them as memories for dataloggers
21.59.17 #       <dhq1> what are these chips used for in relation to the jukebox?
21.59.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> log to your harddisk, that's bigger
21.59.30 #       <uski> heh ;)
22.00.03 #       <uski> dhq1: they are used as the flash memory; to compare to the PC, it is like a BIOS
22.00.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> dhq1: it's the flash memory, where the software is stored.
22.00.35 #       <uski> ([IDC]Dragon: yea, i know the BIOS is rather the ROM, but sshhhh ;))
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22.00.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, a bios is flash
22.01.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> _aLF: do you have a flashed FM?
22.02.00 #       <uski> yea, but for the recorders, what get executed first is the ROM code
22.02.11 #       <uski> also, on old PCs, the BIOs is located in a ROM
22.02.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> except for ROMless recorders ;)
22.03.35 #       <uski> right ;)
22.03.40 #       <dhq1> oh ok
22.03.44 #       <dhq1> why would you need 10 of them?
22.03.46 #       <dhq1> wouldnt 1 suffice?
22.03.50 #       <uski> right
22.03.53 #       <uski> but i cannot get only one
22.04.00 #       <uski> so, let's take more and find a use for them
22.05.39 #       <_aLF> [IDC]Dragon> yes
22.05.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hooray!
22.05.50 #       <uski> [IDC]Dragon: you found ur flashed fm ! ;)
22.06.00 #       <_aLF> (sorry for delay)
22.06.14 #       <uski> what do you want to do [IDC]Dragon ? you want to test a self-destruct feature ?
22.06.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> exactly! ;)
22.06.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> would you mind testing something for me? (not dangerous)
22.06.48 #       <_aLF> yes
22.06.52 #       <uski> like: overcharging batteries, clear the flash memory, set all pins as output andmake short circuits, and soon ? :)
22.07.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm fighting the spinning while charging problem
22.07.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Which is also dangerous if the batteries are flat
22.08.00 #       <_aLF> you have a patch ?
22.08.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So, you'd be the first in less danger, actually.
22.08.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes.
22.08.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Do you DCC?
22.08.37 #       <uski> <b00m> "Ben Laden used a fm rec with flat batteries to kill a CIA agent". As our expert [IDC]Dragon said, it is "dangerous if the batteries are flat"
22.08.38 #       <_aLF> yes
22.09.14 #       <_aLF> (xchat normally it's work)
22.09.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK. I'll send you a .ajz first,
22.09.38 #       <_aLF> (hope my usb connection will work)
22.09.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if that works, an ucl to flash,
22.10.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and if it still works, a full firmware with a fixed bootloader.
22.10.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've tested it on my FM wreck already.
22.10.25 #       <_aLF> :)
22.10.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> The bootloader works, but it has no disk.
22.10.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Dual boot of cause also works.
22.11.37 #       <_aLF> no disk ? rockbox doesn't "see" the disk ?
22.12.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because there is no disk.
22.12.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd be surprised if it finds one.
22.12.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> DCC is not working?
22.13.02 #       <_aLF> no
22.13.05 #       <_aLF> 5 sec
22.13.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how about email?
22.14.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Ah, I see.
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22.39.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi there!
22.39.34 #       <Zagor> howdy
22.40.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> My FM victim just ran away...
22.40.54 #       <Zagor> hehe
22.41.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: the disk powerdown in the bootloader (for FM and V2) works.
22.41.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> This far I can test it.
22.41.21 #       <Zagor> great!
22.41.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Rockbox gets a bit quirky:
22.42.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We have to power up the disk again, but decided via HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF not defined that we don't do so.
22.42.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So I have to code an exception.
22.43.32 #       <Zagor> yes, make a new HAVE_XXX (or similar) variable
22.43.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm
22.44.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there's not really a HAVE for this part any more
22.45.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I changed it so that HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF not defined only prevents powering the disk off, but allows powering on
22.46.11 #       <Zagor> doesn't HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF mean that the unit can power off ata? which v2/fm can't?
22.47.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Mike said they all can, but the feature was removed for FMs because it had side effects.
22.47.31 #       <Zagor> yes, rather severe such
22.47.39 #       <Zagor> that's why this variable exists
22.47.47 #       <Zagor> players can't btw
22.47.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Maybe the code was too impatient after powerup?
22.48.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, you're right about players
22.48.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So I have to protect that code
22.48.50 #       <Zagor> it wasn't impatient. it's rather that the same pin controlled other things too, such as backlight and battery reading
22.49.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> probably the backlight is wired to 5V
22.50.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because 3.3 is not enough for 2 LEDs in series
22.52.07 #       <Zagor> it's probably better to add a new config variable than to change the meaning of HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF, I think
22.52.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like HAVE_ATA_POWER_ON ?
22.53.41 #       <Zagor> i don't know the exact details. a NEEDS_ATA_POWER_ON is perhaps a more accurate name?
22.54.14 #       <Zagor> the main point is just to use config defines rather than model ones
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23.02.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: sorry, I was disconnected, but read your answer in the log
23.02.39 #       <Zagor> ok
23.02.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm calling it NEEDS_ATA_POWER_ON
23.03.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like you said
23.03.18 #       <Zagor> ok
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23.35.46 #       <thedude02> hi]
23.35.53 #       <scott666> hey
23.36.10 #       <thedude02> someone!
23.36.19 #       <scott666> yep
23.37.11 #       <thedude02> indeed I see
23.37.17 #       <thedude02> #fld is cool
23.45.55 #       <_aLF> [IDC]Dragon> I'm back
23.46.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> excellent
23.46.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll send you something in a minute
23.46.35 #       <_aLF> ok
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