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00.00.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> they have a problem...
00.00.21 #       <Zagor> maybe we can't solve it for players
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00.01.03 #       <LinusN> hmmmm
00.01.07 #       <foxy-tyger> ok..im back
00.01.14 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: wb
00.01.24 #       <foxy-tyger> ty.
00.01.36 #       <foxy-tyger> u said somthin about takin it apart?
00.01.53 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: yeah, to resolder the ground connection to the chassis
00.02.04 #       <foxy-tyger> >.<
00.02.18 #       <foxy-tyger> wouldnt that void my wornty
00.02.30 #       <LinusN> the old-player won't work in car-adapter mode anyway, would it?
00.02.45 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: you have warranty? why don't you send it back then?
00.03.19 #       <foxy-tyger> i dnt know if i do..i bought it from a friend
00.03.55 #       <foxy-tyger> i dont think i do
00.04.04 #       <LinusN> if you have a studio, i doubt that you have any warranty left
00.04.17 #       <Zagor> LinusN: correct. it doesn't react to the charger. but they seem to be very rare nowadays, so not many people suffer from them :)
00.04.41 #       <LinusN> i think you either have a grounding problem (fairly common) or your display is badly seated
00.05.49 #       <LinusN> Zagor: how about this: always try to skip the charging screen, and have a "force-charging" hot key, like the F1-key in the boot loader?
00.06.22 #       <LinusN> maybe even configurable
00.06.22 #       <foxy-tyger> now i hear the HD clicking alot
00.06.35 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: grounding or battery problem
00.06.57 #       <Zagor> yes, i think that's a good solution.
00.06.58 #       <foxy-tyger> ...i'll take it apart right now ^^
00.07.50 #       <pfavr> foxy_tiger: read the instructions on the website
00.08.11 #       <foxy-tyger> ok
00.08.13 #       <pfavr> be carefull not to bend the metal plates (it is quite delicate)
00.08.18 #       <foxy-tyger> thainks
00.08.41 #       <LinusN> Zagor: it isn't too easy to have it configurable on the Player of course :-)
00.09.45 #       <Zagor> i don't think we need it configurable anyway. a special "charge only" powerup keycombo is good IMHO
00.10.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> F1-ON ?
00.10.24 #       <LinusN> i'm thinking of the average luser who doesn't read FAQ's/manuals
00.11.18 #       <LinusN> on the other hand, that luser won't flash his jukebox either
00.11.49 #       <Zagor> right :)
00.12.05 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: F1-ON is handled in the boot loader, but we can use F3 or something
00.12.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> F3 is now also taken by the bootloader
00.12.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> starts minimon
00.12.45 #       <LinusN> oh, f2 then
00.13.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> on a different subject: how about using DMA for memset/memcpy ?
00.14.37 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: that won't buy us much
00.14.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> aha?
00.14.47 #       <Zagor> where do we do enough to warrant it?
00.14.52 #       <LinusN> we don't do that many large memset's
00.15.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> memcpy then
00.15.20 #       <LinusN> no large memcpy's either
00.15.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> File I/O
00.15.43 #       <Zagor> they have to be swapped, so dma wont help there
00.16.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and then it gets copied another time
00.16.16 #       <Zagor> it does?
00.16.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for read()
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00.16.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> from the sector buffer to the application provided pointer
00.16.51 #       <Zagor> no. only when you read less than a sector.
00.16.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Ah.
00.17.06 #       <Zagor> otherwise the same pointer is passed all the way down to ata.c
00.17.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> excellent.
00.17.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> And the DMA won't swap, I'm afraid.
00.17.56 #       <LinusN> using dma would only be worth it if we move/copy lard blocks very often
00.18.02 #       <LinusN> large
00.18.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a fancy one could have provision for endian conversion
00.18.43 #       <LinusN> and memcpy/memset are in IRAM already, which can be accessed concurrently with DRAM
00.19.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, I recentla had the impression our file read isn't the fastest.
00.19.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So I was thinking about this.
00.19.50 #       <LinusN> what makes you think it's slow?
00.19.56 #       <Zagor> it's pretty fast actually. well over 1.5 MB/s, which is not bad for such a slow cpu.
00.20.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> My recent experiments, maybe Zagor tells you ;)
00.20.44 #       <LinusN> recent experiments? zagor?
00.20.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> But I am reading many small chunks.
00.20.58 #       <LinusN> that is probably it
00.21.15 #       <Zagor> ah right, we're not optimised for many small reads
00.21.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I can try to buffer a bit more, but then I'll have larger latency for the cases I do so.
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00.35.51 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: zagor let me in on the secret, i'm speechless!
00.49.47 #       <Zagor> i'm off to bed. g'night guys!
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00.56.34 #       <diddystar5> LinusN: busy?
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00.57.59 #       <LinusN> diddystar5: define "busy" :-)
00.58.46 #       <diddystar5> LinusN: working, or "can't help rightn ow"
00.59.01 #       <LinusN> i can help you
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01.17.58 #       <earHertz> Hey Linus, did newmp3tech charge you for the lcd?
01.19.16 #       <earHertz> Hey Linus, do we have a way of reading rhe modification date of a file?
01.21.34 #       <diddystar5> right click file, selcet pro-perties, and see the date modified
01.21.44 #       <diddystar5> (atleast on windows thats works)
01.21.57 #       <earHertz> I meant, via the rockbox file functions
01.22.22 #       <LinusN> earHertz: the write date is not easily accessible with the current API
01.22.34 #       <earHertz> er, the mod date?
01.22.42 #       <LinusN> but it's easily added
01.23.06 #       <earHertz> so you're saying we'd have to modift some stat-like function?
01.23.26 #       <LinusN> we have to *implement* a stat-like function :-)
01.24.08 #       <earHertz> which would have to know how a fat32 directory stores the date, right?
01.24.24 #       <LinusN> that part is implemented
01.24.45 #       <LinusN> btw, it is called "write date" in the fat spec, iirc
01.24.56 #       <earHertz> hmm. How do we ask a dire for its list of files right now?
01.25.31 #       <earHertz> what ms windows calls the modified date fat32 calls the write date?
01.25.55 #       <LinusN> yup
01.26.07 #       <earHertz> MS windows is so fun.
01.26.29 #       <LinusN> opendir()/readdir()/closedir()
01.26.54 #       <earHertz> like the POSIX funcs of the same name?
01.27.08 #       <LinusN> yes
01.27.37 #       <earHertz> so we should probably stick to the POSIX interface
01.27.53 #       <LinusN> a stat() variant would be good
01.28.00 #       <diddystar5> what is POSIX?
01.28.12 #       <diddystar5> position x?
01.28.28 #       <LinusN> a standard api specification
01.28.34 #       <diddystar5> ohh
01.28.39 #       <diddystar5> i see
01.28.41 #       <LinusN>  Portable Operating System Interface
01.28.58 #       <diddystar5> that makes sense
01.29.39 #       <earHertz> As in portable across OS, not just for portable like Pdas or ,p3 players
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01.40.26 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: get to bed <grin>
01.40.54 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: how many hours of daylight do you have there at this time of year?
01.41.51 #       <LinusN> about 8 i guess
01.42.17 #       <LinusN> where i live
01.52.15 #       <foxy-tyger> LinusN: i got the ground points resolderd, i think the batterys are bad now, the HD will spin up when its on the charger, but as soon as I unplug it, it dies
02.01.43 #       <LinusN> you should try to replace them, how about the lcd?
02.01.50 #       <foxy-tyger> LinusN:but i'm still haveing trubble with random charitors apearing on the screen
02.02.11 #       <LinusN> even when you push the lcd gently?
02.02.46 #       <foxy-tyger> ya...could it be somthin with the firmware?
02.03.12 #       <LinusN> no
02.03.43 #       <earHertz> this an fm or a recorder?
02.03.53 #       <LinusN> studio
02.04.04 #       <foxy-tyger> well..its got a line it
02.04.08 #       <foxy-tyger> *in
02.04.41 #       <LinusN> the studio has a (pretty useless) line in
02.04.54 #       <LinusN> but it can't record
02.05.01 #       <foxy-tyger> what is it used for then?
02.05.13 #       <LinusN> you can mix it with the output
02.05.23 #       <foxy-tyger> ahhh
02.06.47 #       <LinusN> when do the random chars appear?
02.09.27 #       <foxy-tyger> diffrent times..i was just charging it and the "BATTERY CHARGING....." had a sollid circle in the middle of battery, its not all the time, like its not doing it
02.10.47 #       <foxy-tyger> now its doing it again >.<
02.10.50 #       <LinusN> you mean "BAOTERY CHARGING"
02.11.06 #       <foxy-tyger> well kinda
02.11.52 #       <LinusN> it really looks like you have a loose connection somewhere between the CPU and the LCD
02.12.24 #       <foxy-tyger> and theirs realy no way that i can fix that
02.14.32 #       <LinusN> it should be fixable
02.15.53 #       <foxy-tyger> well...i cant solder small things..i actualy had my friends dad to solder the grounds
02.16.28 #       <foxy-tyger> were would the cpu be located on the board
02.18.56 #       <diddystar5> i have no idea on a player
02.18.57 #       <LinusN> it's under the top pcb
02.19.32 #       <diddystar5> gotta go
02.19.37 #       <LinusN> still, i think the bad connection is on the lcd itself
02.19.44 #       <foxy-tyger> ewww....i just looked at "dissasembling the Archos" and thats a lot of desoldering
02.19.47 #       <diddystar5> bye LinusN foxy-tyger and earHertz
02.19.52 #       <foxy-tyger> bye
02.19.55 #       <LinusN> bye diddystar5
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02.20.34 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: yes, attempting a repair like that without soldering skills is not recommended
02.20.43 #       <foxy-tyger> ya..
02.21.06 #       <foxy-tyger> i dont think i will try that
02.21.11 #       <LinusN> i guess you're in the us?
02.21.19 #       <foxy-tyger> ya
02.21.26 #       <foxy-tyger> u
02.21.59 #       <LinusN> well, you could send your player to mike at newmp3technology.com
02.22.50 #       <foxy-tyger> do you know off hand how much he charges 
02.23.49 #       <LinusN> nope, email him
02.23.58 #       <foxy-tyger> ok...thanks
02.25.30 #       <foxy-tyger> oh..and one more question...or a few ^^...can i format the HD just like a regular HD in windoze XP?
02.28.48 #       <earHertz> he charges $100
02.29.28 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: yes, you can format it as a regular hd
02.29.56 #       <LinusN> however, not if your hd is larger that 30gb
02.31.21 #       <foxy-tyger> no its 20gb....and i have one more question, do i have to be in the root of the HD when i add and delete things off the HD
02.31.32 #       <LinusN> huh?
02.32.10 #       <LinusN> you can have directories and sundirectories
02.32.15 #       <LinusN> subdirectories
02.35.01 #       <foxy-tyger> right...when i turn it off, i was in a subdirectry, and then i hooked it up to usb, and moved some stuff around, added more subdirecterys, i didnt see any changes to the folders on the player, but i do when i use it as a HD
02.35.57 #       <LinusN> did you safely remove the usb device (in the system tray)?
02.36.09 #       <foxy-tyger> i dont see the new subdirecterys that i added, and yes i did
02.36.56 #       <LinusN> no error messages?
02.37.01 #       <foxy-tyger> no
02.37.03 #       <LinusN> do you use rockbox?
02.37.17 #       <foxy-tyger> no
02.37.23 #       <LinusN> ok
02.37.28 #       <foxy-tyger> what is that ?
02.37.30 #       <Sebulba02> Err, for custome .wps's, are the docs still correct, 10 lines for a recorder?
02.37.51 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: you joined the rockbox irc and you don't know what rockbox is?
02.38.08 #       <LinusN> Sebulba02: yes i think so
02.38.13 #       <foxy-tyger> heh...i'm new to all of this ^^'
02.38.23 #       <foxy-tyger> sorry
02.38.24 #       <Sebulba02> odd, mines only showing 8
02.38.55 #       <LinusN> Sebulba02: it depends on which font you have, and if you have enabled the status line or not
02.39.11 #       <LinusN> the WPS *file* is max 10 lines
02.39.25 #       <LinusN> what fits on the lcd is another thing
02.39.30 #       <Sebulba02> I used the smallest 5x7 font
02.40.07 #       <Sebulba02> Status line. its enabled.
02.40.16 #       <LinusN> Sebulba02: the lcd is 64 pixels high
02.40.41 #       <LinusN> so with a 7 pixel font, you will be able to show 9 lines if you disable the status bar
02.40.57 #       <Sebulba02> Ah, okay
02.41.32 #       <LinusN> i have to go to sleep npw
02.41.44 #       <Sebulba02> 'night
02.41.50 #       <foxy-tyger> thanks for the help 
02.41.54 #       <LinusN> cu around
02.41.56 #       <foxy-tyger> ya
02.41.59 #       <LinusN> foxy-tyger: yw
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02.42.07 #       <foxy-tyger> ill read up on rockbox
02.42.59 #       <Sebulba02> cool, no more messy playing screen
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02.44.11 #       <[MolincH]> lo
02.45.12 #       <[MolincH]> i read the faq and i know that the ogg vorbis decoder won't be used but will one day another codec, better than mp3 be available on the rockbox firmware ?
02.46.41 #       <Sebulba02> What other codec is there?
02.46.52 #       <Sebulba02> wmp?
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06.37.52 #       <Masskiller> where can i get plugins :\
06.38.07 #       <Masskiller> i need one that's a calculator so i can take it to school and not get it taken away :P
06.40.06 #       <Masskiller> and the battery charging logo is boring :P
06.40.15 #       <Masskiller> even though i doubt you can change it :\
06.40.18 #       <Masskiller> time for sleep
06.40.26 #       <Masskiller> $time(hh:nn:ss TT) = 12:40:28 AM
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10.09.02 #       <heiner-ich> Hi
10.09.48 #       <heiner-ich> This may be a faq, but how can I distinguish between recorder and recorderv2?
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11.36.12 #       <earHertz> v2s have the fmr form factor
11.36.25 #       <earHertz> the sides are not columns to hold the battery
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12.09.09 #       <track> morning
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12.24.00 #       <webmind> hi
12.24.20 #       <track> hi webmind
12.24.48 #       <track> is it possible to get batteries higher than 2000mAh?
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12.49.55 #       <Dogger> hey
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13.07.53 #       <Dogger> hows it going track?
13.30.23 #       <heiner-ich> thanks
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17.33.29 #       <elinenbe> hardeep: I just tried out the gameboy emulator, and I think some of the games run too fast... You may want to try and set it to 30 Hz or 60 Hz or fix the framerate.
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17.35.39 #       <hardeep> elinenbe: right, i'll get on it immediately.  Which games in particular did you have problems with?
17.41.50 #       <elinenbe> hardeep: wario world was too fast, but tetris ran perfectly.  Also, I love how you mananged grayscale without any flicker... nice work!
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18.09.45 #       <hardeep> the grayscale withot flicker required countless hours of manipulating bits... it came out better then I was expecting.  Have you had a chance to try out DDR - Groovin' to the Rockbox yet?
18.53.54 #       <elinenbe> hardeep: no, but I will be honest with you -- that would be an easy game to program and fun to play on the rockbox!
18.54.22 #       <elinenbe> hardeep: however, when songs load and bitswap there would be considerable slowdown -- thus leading to bad scores...
19.00.30 #       <hardeep> elinenbe: People would just have to play better then! =)
19.00.34 #       <hardeep> gotta go
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22.01.20 #       <uski> anybody very familiar with the LCD code, and particyularly the font handling ?
22.01.40 #       <uski> i don't understand how it is encoded in the .c files
22.01.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LCD yes, font no
22.03.34 #       <uski> ok, do you know how the lcd_bitmap function works ?
22.03.36 #       <uski> (hi :))
22.03.55 #       <uski> because it seems to be used by the code to draw chars to the screen
22.04.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it shifts and masks into place, iirc.
22.05.02 #       <uski> hmmm
22.05.07 #       <uski> let me see the source code
22.08.39 #       <uski> ok so if i understand, a bitmap is stored like that:
22.08.58 #       <uski> 4 bytes = 4 rows, 8 columns
22.09.22 #       <uski> i.e. each byte is for a row
22.09.26 #       <uski> and columns are the bytes
22.10.36 #       <uski> (damn, this code is hard to understand)
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22.13.47 #       <uski> wow ok i understood
22.13.49 #       <uski> :] thx
22.14.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I didn't do anything to make you understand...
22.15.17 #       <uski> you did
22.15.26 #       <uski> you made me look at the code
22.15.27 #       <uski> ;)
22.15.45 #       <Masskiller> someone create a calculator for me :F
22.15.46 #       <Masskiller> :D*
22.16.02 #       <uski> ?
22.16.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hey, my display is upside down!
22.16.19 #       <uski> ? lool
22.16.20 #       <Masskiller> :|
22.16.26 #       <Masskiller> wth :|
22.16.29 #       <uski> the display of your computer ?
22.16.37 #       <uski> if yes, it might be a trojan horse like subseven
22.16.38 #       <Masskiller> where can i get roxbox games/plugins
22.16.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It _can_ be configured
22.16.43 #       <uski> lol ok
22.16.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no the box
22.16.49 #       <uski> ok ,)
22.17.46 #       <Masskiller> :|
22.17.53 #       <Masskiller> where can i get games and/or plugins :)
22.20.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Masskiller: doy you mean chip8 games, or what?
22.20.19 #       <Masskiller> i dont know
22.20.23 #       <Masskiller> im new to this stuff
22.20.25 #       <Masskiller> i just got it last night
22.20.37 #       <Masskiller> but my mp3 player owns all my friend's now ;D
22.56.38 #       <scott666> download the 2.1 zip, it has all the plugins and games included
22.58.39 #       <Masskiller> whats all this F1 and F2 stuff
22.59.00 #       <Masskiller> obviously, my mp3 player doesnt have a F1 key like my keyboard
23.00.40 #       <Sebulba02> Sure it does
23.00.47 #       <Masskiller> it does? :S
23.00.52 #       <Masskiller> where is it :|
23.02.22 #       <Sebulba02> you said player, oops.. my bad
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23.02.23 #       <Masskiller> found it :)
23.02.34 #       <Sebulba02> err, okay
23.02.41 #       <Sebulba02> I must be looking at the wrong one then.
23.16.11 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: what does the high performance blit do?
23.16.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that was quick...
23.16.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, it is quick.
23.17.07 #       <elinenbe> what is the blit?  what does it speed up?
23.17.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> later, you'll see soon.
23.20.44 #       <earHertz> "blit" sugests it has to do with the ld. a faster way to change the display, perhaps.
23.20.48 #       <earHertz> s/ld/lcd
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23.32.03 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: hey man! what are you going to use it for?
23.32.24 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I am salivating with anticipation.
23.32.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> keep calm, it's not used yet, there's issues.
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23.42.57 #       <elinenbe> what?  too much flicker?
23.45.46 #       <Sebulba02> heh