--- Log for 15.12.103 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 day and 10 hours ago 00.00.04 # LinusN: it is a nice piece of programming. 00.00.09 # whats the small one of? i havnt gotten that yet 00.00.14 # i tried a beta version before release 00.00.14 # then youd see why i want the converter (no rush of course) 00.00.24 # scott: it has 2 other small things 00.00.29 # a tree clip and a "lena 00.00.30 # picture 00.00.39 # [IDC]Dragon: congrats on the great work. I guessed that was what you were working on. It looks GREAT! 00.01.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: thanks! 00.01.05 # yes it does !! 00.01.45 # does the doom video eat as much battery as the red led would indicate? 00.01.54 # not quite\ 00.01.56 # but close 00.02.01 # red light is always on 00.02.07 # even minus HD activity 00.02.12 # ahh 00.02.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> so is the disk, yes 00.02.45 # on, but not accessed, right? 00.03.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> it is accessed 70 times a second 00.03.04 # [ 00.03.06 # wow 00.03.10 # never mind :) 00.03.14 Quit destroy_world ("i scream down this hotline just to feel something") 00.03.51 Join diddystar5 [0] (~jirc@cbcpl-fw.ci.corvallis.or.us) 00.04.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> the video bitrate is 502 kBit/sec 00.05.10 # nice 00.05.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> using the big mp3 buffer, it would be possible to power it down intermittantly 00.05.42 # yea every few seconds for a few seconds 00.05.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> but is would have to spinup like 3 times more often than with mp3 00.05.46 # probably best to leave it on 00.06.32 # would it even get a chance to spin down? itd have to be accessed every 3-4 seconds 00.06.36 # [IDC]Dragon: could you please realease the source for your vodeo stuff 00.07.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> I will, shure 00.07.11 # LinusN: thanks for the update! 00.07.19 # I'll try to do some of the extra stuff 00.07.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> first I'd like to discuss with Zagor about the plugin API extensions 00.08.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> the high-speed LCD part is already in cvs 00.09.37 # i mean would you go ahead and realease it on your server :) 00.10.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> what would you do with it? I have to merge my Rockbox changes first. 00.12.03 # uhh well, could you put a patch for those on your webserver? 00.13.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> uncomfortable, the reast has changed with this neo stuff, my sources are before 00.13.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> reast=rest 00.13.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> and I don't like patches 00.14.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> If you let me work, I post the converter tonight 00.14.45 # YAY 00.14.46 # ok :) 00.14.47 # idc rocks 00.14.49 # cool 00.14.55 # idc is the best 00.15.04 # idc is amazing 00.15.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, Linus is ;) 00.15.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> and stop that buttkissing 00.15.32 # lol 00.15.36 # you've spoiled me 00.15.48 # i watched doom3 demo about 10 times in a row 00.16.14 Join xam [0] (xam@bucephalas2.ipv6.damnyou.org) 00.17.19 # i think it is very possible to put doom on archos, my ti 83+ has doom on it :) 00.17.31 # ok Linus, we want a circular clock, second hand, anything else? 00.18.22 # heh 00.18.51 # midknight2k3: not that i can think of, no (except for shorter hour hand) 00.19.03 # shorter? 00.19.09 # OH did you try it 00.19.12 # and it ought to look very good with idc's new lcd stuff! 00.19.21 # its the same length as min hand right 00.19.28 # thats the bug! 00.19.29 # than the minute and second hand 00.19.37 # after like 6PM it becomes as long as the minute hand 00.19.42 # even at the bouncer code 00.19.55 # and the hour hand should be thicker than the minute hand 00.22.19 # butbutbut 00.22.21 # its a bug 00.22.22 # any ideas 00.22.25 # it elongates 00.23.49 # it erects 00.23.51 # lol 00.24.02 # uh 00.24.04 # no. 00.24.07 # actually 00.24.14 Join yeft [0] (nospinzone@pcp04986012pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) 00.24.19 # bonjour! 00.24.39 # lol "nospinzone" 00.24.41 # BOJURR 00.24.51 # lol? 00.24.56 # why 00.25.05 # do you watch fox news? 00.25.10 # always :) 00.25.20 # better then the Communist News Network 00.25.30 # yeah, you know, bill O, the no spin zone 00.25.39 # thats why i put it there 00.25.45 # if i ever get banned from a room... 00.25.45 # cool 00.25.51 # i change my nick to nospinzone 00.25.52 # :P 00.26.12 # :) 00.27.07 # ASDF 00.27.07 # DFAD 00.27.08 # SDD 00.27.12 # sorry 00.28.16 # go to #liberals see if you get banned :) 00.28.24 Nick yeft is now known as nospinzone (nospinzone@pcp04986012pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) 00.28.29 # lol 00.28.32 # :)\ 00.28.46 # thats not a channel :( 00.28.57 # im just glad 00.29.05 # ohh well 00.29.09 # liberals no longer have the "well, where is saddam??" argument 00.29.13 # MUAAHHAHA 00.29.18 # HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA 00.30.29 # silly liberals 00.30.36 Nick nospinzone is now known as yeft (nospinzone@pcp04986012pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) 00.30.54 # sddddd 00.30.59 # sfh 00.31.46 # afdsafda 00.31.55 # jkljkljl;;jkljk; 00.34.07 # well, but where is waldo? 00.34.28 # hes SDDing 00.34.42 # and ossama? 00.36.01 # DFFing 00.36.10 # who cares about ossama 00.36.15 # we got saddam! 00.36.37 # which if you make all the ds ss and the o s and o 00.36.44 # and rearange the letter 00.36.45 # s 00.36.48 # you have OSSAMA 00.36.52 # errie isnt it 00.37.25 # nope 00.37.54 # lol 00.37.57 # yeah thats like saying 00.38.28 # if you take "computer" and change the letters to "microwave" you get "microwave"! 00.38.30 # eerie huh 00.38.38 # hahah mk i thought this kid was you 00.38.40 # whoa! 00.38.43 # but it was mike housen 00.38.50 # and i couldnt remember your last name... 00.39.03 # lol 00.39.06 # muahah 00.39.06 # what now 00.39.12 # im at the end of the credits list 00.39.28 # cause if you change the u to an l and the s to a d... 00.39.39 # im next to the end of the credits list (in front of mid!) 00.39.42 # and computer to microwave 00.39.44 # ITS EERIE 00.39.50 # and i cant program 00.39.51 # thats not fair diddy 00.40.00 # ...i was reading about shakespear programming 00.40.04 # pretty sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet 00.40.12 # it is cool 00.40.14 # im not mikeholden 00.40.15 # lol 00.40.17 # i gotta run now...be back later 00.40.19 # bye 00.40.20 # wait who is 00.40.23 # not I 00.40.25 # but you should learn something else first 00.40.25 # im " 00.40.28 # im zakk 00.40.28 # bye 00.40.29 # dfad 00.40.36 Quit yeft ("Leaving") 00.41.35 # d 00.58.46 # bye everyone 00.58.53 # c you tomorrow 00.58.58 # bye 00.59.01 Part Sebulba02 00.59.03 Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving") 01.26.47 Join Sebulba02 [0] (~Sebulba02@dialup-67.31.192.243.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net) 01.31.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, I've uploaded sources and converter tool, see my latest posting. 01.32.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hope it works, I've only briefly tested it. 01.32.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> Goodnight! 01.32.24 # NIGHT 01.32.25 # thanks idc 01.32.28 # you rock :) 01.34.00 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 01.34.14 Quit Masskiller ("User has been banned from freenode (no reason)") 01.34.26 Quit AciD ("www.acid.ht.st") 01.38.52 Join bluechip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) 01.39.32 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBF61CD.ipt.aol.com) 01.40.39 Quit Sebulba02 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 01.41.19 # hi Linis 01.41.20 # Linus 01.41.25 # tracky 01.41.28 # you can watch your own movies 01.41.40 # did i miss the release of the encoder? 01.41.45 # what? 01.41.59 # yes bluechip 01.42.04 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0530.shtml 01.42.29 # lol ....you bugger off to re-fdisk your machine ..and the world changes while you're away :) 01.42.32 # cheers mk 01.42.46 # lol 01.42.52 # hey mk, can you build a sim with your devkit? 01.42.59 # yes 01.43.05 # i got a full cygwin 01.43.09 # thats what you need 01.43.11 # ahha 01.43.46 # shame about the full install ...if only rolands dev kit worked with 98 :( 01.43.53 # yeah 01.43.58 # mk, what instructions did you follow? 01.44.03 # there are just a few packs you need 01.44.07 # but i dont remember 01.44.10 # i just got the full pack 01.44.14 # darn it! 01.44.15 # you need perl for one 01.44.20 # im sure of that 01.44.23 # theres about 4 others 01.44.36 Join Sebulba02 [0] (~Sebulba02@dialup-67.31.192.243.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net) 01.44.52 Quit presskopf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.52.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.55.17 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.55.47 # IT WORKS! 01.55.48 # ITS COO 01.56.05 # coo huh? 01.56.09 # lol 01.57.32 # awesome 01.57.34 # ill upload it 01.57.37 # its a rockbox intro video 01.57.44 # do it 01.57.45 # back in 10 02.06.02 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@ACA5068B.ipt.aol.com) 02.06.26 # hey linus 02.06.32 # yo 02.06.55 # LinusN: could you help with the vu meter? i have code that calculates log(base 2) now! 02.07.14 # then why do you need my help? :-) 02.07.29 # because i dont know what to do with it 02.08.15 # but i thought we solved that the last time? 02.08.30 # ohh 02.08.32 # yeah 02.08.35 # ill try 02.08.41 # for got about that 02.11.13 # OMG IT WORKS! 02.11.16 # the video mode! 02.11.50 # hey LinusN the Archos can play video after all! 02.12.24 # * bluechip mutters something that rhymes with wav 02.15.49 Quit track ("Leaving") 02.16.49 # BACK 02.16.49 # IT WORKS 02.17.06 # LINUSN! 02.17.07 # IT WORKS! 02.17.20 # i have a rather neat demo you might want to include in the pack if you are to release it 02.22.24 # what works? 02.22.36 # his video 02.22.56 # it works well 02.22.59 # i think youd like it 02.23.46 # now we just need AA-support for fonts ;) 02.24.06 # oohh, subtitle? 02.24.12 # lol 02.24.23 # bluechip karaoke? 02.24.51 # lol 02.25.08 # and implement a background picture/video and transparency 02.25.32 # lol yeah 02.25.34 # this will ROCK 02.25.34 # maybe a even little qt-embedded port ;) 02.25.56 # testing another 02.25.59 # well, it would require c++ ... and that's evil 02.26.09 # what would require ++? 02.26.16 # qt? 02.26.19 # er a very pixelated mess 02.26.29 # only if you are to use existing code 02.26.42 # ...and even that could be modified 02.26.43 # bluechip: yeah 02.27.00 # bluechip: I don't think you have programmed in QT before ... 02.27.10 # s/in/with/ 02.28.09 # "in" QT?? 02.28.16 # s/in/with/ 02.28.33 # LOL - i will learn regex one day 02.28.42 # hehe 02.28.56 # NOTHING that can be done in C++ cannot be reproduced in C 02.29.11 # unless you consider methodology to be a confining factor 02.29.50 # bluechip: yes, but ... it would be *much* more hassle to implement workarounds for qt than to do implement a replacement 02.30.27 # bluechip: QT makes quite an extensive of use of C++ features ... unfortunately 02.30.47 # bluechip: nothing you can 'easily' work around with C 02.31.06 # :( 02.31.17 # yes, "easy" has to be a key word I appreciate 02.31.23 # what about a GTK-port then? 02.31.36 # ;) just kidding 02.32.19 # but I'd love the idea to have something like a album icon/picture feature 02.32.49 # gonna burn the crap out of the batteries to keep it permanently displayed though 02.32.59 # SDD DFF! 02.33.02 # I suppose you could even write a picture preview plugin ... 02.33.27 # bluechip: nope, not at all if you don't use the 'greyscale' hack 02.33.44 # sorry, yes, i WAS referring to the greyscaling 02.34.28 # bluechip: I'd say even if you display the icon with greyscale, it would only be shown if you select a new song 02.35.07 # bluechip: I don't thing the greyscaling takes lots of power ... it's just pixel flipping after all 02.36.20 # the doom demo sucks batteries out because it constantly reads from harddisk 02.36.45 # the processor is constantly updating the screen 02.37.43 # it's just a bitmap transfer ... that shouldn't need much processing power and therefore battery power 02.38.32 # the screen generates so much heat that it slows down apparently 02.38.41 # psh 02.38.43 # yea right 02.39.04 # 'screen generates heat' ? 02.39.10 # yea RIGHT 02.40.01 # oh, that's why my casio watch has a fan built-in ... 02.40.14 # 02.40.54 # LOL 02.41.54 # midknight2k3: that's why your lcd flickers more after viewing the doom3 movie a few times 02.42.06 # its bad for the lcd? 02.42.08 # indeed 02.42.18 # is it bad* 02.42.28 # mk: it's all "wear and tear" 02.42.43 # is it more wear and tear than normal usage? 02.42.52 # yes 02.43.01 # OH NO 02.43.03 # how much 02.43.08 # plus you will likely have the LEDs on whilst watching 02.43.09 # is it like, gonna break 02.43.09 Join sp00nz [0] (~stebve@c-24-98-161-97.atl.client2.attbi.com) 02.43.13 # no 02.43.15 # actually if you increase the temperature, you increase the speed of a processor (very slightly), but you also increase the electric leaks and also other errors might occur, lit random bit flips etc 02.43.43 # heat is, for the sake of this discussion, current from your batteries 02.44.02 # heat is high temperature 02.44.18 # are you sure? 02.44.27 # bluechip: yes 02.44.50 # is it relative or absolute? 02.44.58 # you can test it: turn the gas oven on, and but your hand in the flames 02.45.05 # no thanks. 02.45.09 # but=put 02.45.33 # i put my hand on the back of my archos earlier - i thought it was giving off a LOT of heat 02.45.49 # now get a 12v battery and short-cut it with your fingers ... which one hurts more? 02.46.03 # which one is 'hotter' ? :) 02.46.07 # 1) 02.46.15 # "flames?", midknight2k3 guesses 02.46.33 # unless you are wearing rings, and it is a car battery, then (2) 02.46.58 # bluechip: it's 1. the hard disk ... 2. batteries and 3. *maybe* the dsps/cpu, albeit I guess the embedded chips don't produce much heat 02.47.25 # xam: you are, of course, 100% right :) 02.49.21 # bloody hell, a successful build :) ...now for the sim 02.49.44 # lol 02.49.45 Quit Jet8810 ("Leaving") 02.50.12 # the bit-flips one the display is something you also see on some LCD-projectors ... however it's not the display itself, but rather the image processing chips that get too hot 02.50.24 # one=on ... I should go to bed soon 02.50.35 # night dude 02.50.42 # night 02.50.44 # soon != now 02.50.49 # ;) 02.50.51 # lol 02.50.52 # ok 02.55.53 # would be nice if the MAS docu 'problem' could be resolved soon and we could get at least WAV support 02.56.54 # There are bigger issues than that which are stopping us 02.57.22 # mind you, I say that and I'm not sure what you think the problem is... 02.57.26 # I should ask... 02.57.49 # what do you suspect to be the problem? 03.00.24 # 1. legal issues have to be resolved 03.00.26 # 2. tools must be available to code for the MAS chip, or at least docu that provides enough info to built tools 03.00.27 # 3. DSP programming is not the easies thing to do 03.01.34 # bye everyone 03.01.38 Quit diddystar5 ("Bye") 03.02.03 # well forget 3, everything is easy when you know how it's done 03.02.03 # 2 is pretty much already resolved 03.02.03 # and yes, 1 is what is killing the project ...although we have written permission, there are some internal politics to overcome 03.03.18 # anyone else have problems with longish avis? 03.03.24 # 3. IS an issue if you want to implement complex algorithms like OGG, FLAC, WMA ... I suppose you have never (re-)programmed algorithms for DSPs either ;) 03.04.13 # suppose all you like - you clearly are not very active on the dsp hacking scene, or else you would know what I have been up to the past few years 03.04.37 # bluechip: we have tools to delevop/reprogramme the MAS chip aswell? can they be used with the existing built-tools? 03.04.42 # as for support for all the weird codecs - I have no interest in these - I am looking for speech synth 03.05.09 # ...and it dont come no more simple than you 03.05.10 # ...nah, sorry, no simpler than PCM 03.05.14 # lol 03.05.19 # bluechip: you were collecting lots of docus for the MAS chip 03.06.07 # this is great 03.06.12 # i set up a template for rockbox videos 03.06.19 # i can export anything with a few clicks 03.06.29 # saved size, quality, etc 03.07.04 # so, xam, what is your DSP background? 03.07.17 # bluechip: I have programmed DSP chips in the past ... and it was nothing I'd like to do for living ... guess why it was so difficult to get infos in the first place? the company that produces the chips obviously also sells various codecs that they implement themselves in order to make money 03.07.33 # lol 03.07.39 # IGNORE ME, SURE 03.07.55 # mk: butt in whenever you like ;) 03.08.02 # :-) 03.08.45 # xam: unfortunately the information you have is inaccurate, but as it will only start and argument, I will allow you to believe whatever you like. 03.09.02 # * midknight2k3 sees flame war coming and ducks 03.09.18 # bluechip: I created DSP with VHDL back when I was a CS graduate in my university ... and implemented FFT codecs on these and commecial DSPs ... 03.09.45 # cool - you coded your own original FFT - 03.10.13 # uh 03.10.18 # hats off 03.10.32 # bluechip: I did NOT have a click'n'build software that translates BASIC-style code into DSP code ... I just used VHDL to build the DSP itself ... 03.11.14 # yeah, i've only ever worked on the inside of DSP's in the past - the high-level/coding aspect I used to leave to the programmers 03.11.40 # bluechip: I guess with good commecial tools for a special DSP it way easier to create codecs for a DSP, but I never used such tools 03.12.01 # anyway, you are obvisouly VERY clever.. Why don't you chip in (excuse the pun) and do some work on the MAS DSP 03.12.22 # calm down ppl 03.12.32 # bluechip: I'm currently busy doing a PhD in CS 03.12.40 # bluechip: not much time :-/ 03.12.50 # wow :) 03.13.07 # man 03.13.11 # ima port all my tv smashing vids 03.13.17 # thank you, jorg! 03.13.20 # bluechip: albeit a totally different area ... case-based reasoning 03.13.33 # xam: so, super-dude, you gonna help? 03.13.50 # bluechip: not this year I'm afraid ;) 03.14.08 # xam: though you might say that - i'm psychic 03.14.30 # lol 03.14.32 # ;p 03.14.52 # :�iUZ�� 03.14.59 # time for me to get a few minutes of sleep 03.15.08 # night! 03.15.15 # thx for code update 03.15.16 # nite dude - tell me if that pdf reference helps 03.15.21 # cu some other day 03.15.25 # :) 03.15.29 # bluechip: yeah, i'll work on it 03.15.47 # so, mk, you gonna upload your conversion process? 03.15.53 # no 03.15.56 Part LinusN 03.16.01 # o what 03.16.15 # what now 03.16.35 # it's okay, if you'd prefer not to share, that's okay too 03.17.12 # no what? 03.17.17 # misunderstood 03.17.29 # bluechip: I don't have a 'homepage', just a few info's on a website: http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~xam , but I think the university webserver is down ... at least I can't reach it 03.18.13 # yeah, dead dude 03.18.33 # ucc.ie? where's that? 03.18.45 # bluechip: you mean my rockbox video? 03.19.04 # mhh, www.ucc.ie is also down ... wonder what they are up to 03.19.30 # upgrades possibly? 03.19.36 # arggl, can't even access the mail servers ... I think they have a problem at my university 03.22.21 # yeah, likely ... I just look at the uptime statistics and they have been down on saturday for a couple of hours, and again now (since about 2 hours ago) 03.22.43 # start up a yahoo group :D 03.23.37 # Sebulba02: but why the whole campus network? not only the webservers, but everything ... I even can't access my office pcs 03.25.23 # eh, maybe someone pulled the wrong plug? 03.25.28 # bluechip: sorry, ucc.ie is "National University of Ireland, Cork" also former known as "University College Cork", hence ucc.ie 03.26.02 # cool -so is it you guys who host the phone-spy computers? 03.26.07 # Sebulba02: yeah, the woman with the vacuum cleaner needed a socket ... 03.26.18 # heh 03.26.45 # phone-spy? I don't think so ... at least nobody told us ;-P 03.27.09 # time to go stamping on all the man holes on campus - lol 03.27.33 # wih i could recall their real name 03.28.37 # i did my degrees at essex 03.28.47 # I'm using a IPv6 tunnel broker ... everytime the network is down I loose 'credits' and if you loose credits too often, they'll permanently disconnect you and I'll have to find another tunnel broker :-/ 03.29.26 # they're on to you 03.30.24 # bluechip: I had this feeling all the time ... now I have proof! 03.30.50 # JANET wants your soul 03.31.16 # essex? Ahh, I remember you mentioning that you are 'a typical brit' (somewhere on the mailing list) 03.31.25 # bluechip: HEANET here 03.31.48 # i must stress that I fight the accent as much as I can 03.31.57 # hehe 03.32.04 # geezah 03.32.07 # lol 03.33.21 # well, it can't be as bad as the cork accent ... 03.34.10 # dat'll be aboot rait 03.34.30 # bluechip: http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/index.php?module=Dictionary&func=lettersearch&letterget=All&vid=1 03.34.36 # (its sounds as bad as it reads) 03.35.08 # bluechip: we have (made-up) our own words here in cork 03.35.13 # lol 03.35.17 # this is funny :) 03.35.23 # I have a number of irish friends 03.35.34 # (close friend at liverpool uni) 03.36.06 # bendeco - LOL 03.36.23 # I heard a puppet dog shout that in a muppet movie 03.36.46 # WTF!!??? 03.36.54 # lol 03.37.11 # you are aware of it's origin i presume? 03.37.52 # nope, I wasn't born in cork ... I'm just living here for the last 3 years 03.38.08 #