--- Log for 20.12.103 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 6 days and 10 hours ago 00.08.21 # sd 00.09.00 Quit edx () 00.10.23 # Hmm. 00.10.31 # DFF 00.11.44 Join mecraw__ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 00.12.01 # DFF? 00.12.19 # SDD YOU ASDF 00.14.51 # Um, whatever. 00.14.59 # wheres zagor!! 00.18.54 # * Sebulba02 shrugs 00.19.25 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se) 00.21.37 Join earHertz [0] (~chatzilla@pool-138-88-166-150.res.east.verizon.net) 00.21.48 # who am here? 00.21.53 # eary 00.21.55 # zagoor 00.21.58 Quit AciD (Connection timed out) 00.21.58 # zagor 00.22.10 # would it be worth it to code a new id3 viewer? 00.22.14 # Zagor, you here? 00.22.17 # I'm never here. 00.22.19 # he should be 00.22.19 # earHertz: yes 00.22.27 # midknight2k3: it depends what you plan to do with it 00.22.29 # Zagor, mind if I pm you? 00.22.41 # zagor: more info per page, a bit more user friendly? 00.22.44 # earHertz: ok 00.23.22 # zagor: sdd? 00.25.05 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.37 # midknight2k3: only write code that you want to use yourself. 00.25.53 # * midknight2k3 's finger falls 00.29.21 # zagor, is there anything that needs to be done? on the wishlist perhaps? 00.29.23 # i want to code 00.29.50 # the wishlist is very long. browse it and write whatever tickles your fancy 00.30.05 # feature requests? any particular ones? 00.30.46 Quit mbr (Remote closed the connection) 00.30.55 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 00.31.46 # i don't have any personal favorites. as I said, you should write code that wou want to use yourself. 00.32.42 # as in, i thought somehwere you said that feel free to write patches from the list of requsts? 00.33.20 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 00.33.50 # yes. but code generally get written better when there is an element of personal passion. "scratch your own itch" and all that. 00.34.42 # hmm 00.34.46 # ok well i'll have a look 00.36.50 # btw there is a fatal error in the video plugin 00.37.07 # if you play it without selecting a file it says "play .rfv file" and not ".rvf" 00.37.14 # rvf, not rfv 00.38.35 Quit mbr (Remote closed the connection) 00.43.48 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 00.48.41 Quit methangas (" WOW! This IRC Client ownz! HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 00.50.41 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.54.00 Quit mbr (Remote closed the connection) 00.54.44 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 00.55.40 Quit _aLF ("bye") 00.57.29 Quit mecraw__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 00.58.17 # ok well i think ill test my C skills at a new id3 viewer 01.01.22 # ok. have fun! 01.01.34 # :) i hope to 01.04.13 # polski-ascii? 01.04.15 # err 01.04.23 # ill hafta try that one out 01.04.41 # its not ascii 01.05.40 # you liars :) 01.07.47 # hmmh, I wonder if I should implement a new playmode for rockbox 01.07.54 # ooh which 01.07.58 # i have a few ideas 01.08.13 # midknight2k3: it is ascii 01.08.24 # well, in the end, I ended up going for 'almost random' play 01.08.40 # yes 01.08.43 # thats what we need 01.08.50 # "shuffle" in addition to "random" 01.08.55 # random is totally random 01.09.22 # (should be totally random) 01.09.27 # possible? 01.09.33 # well, totally random is bad - it should be hardcoded to something a bit less, or configurable 01.09.37 # why would anyone want random? 01.09.43 # random play 01.09.48 # reshuffle when playlist repeats 01.09.50 # AKA track 01.09.57 # that's not random 01.09.57 # it would be a nice option 01.10.06 # well it'd be nice 01.10.08 # I wonder if midknight2k3 is talking about different options 01.10.11 # use the current_time for the seed 01.10.12 # yes 01.10.13 # different 01.10.15 # thats what i mean 01.10.18 # oof 01.10.21 # and yet another? 01.10.23 # a random mode and a shuffe mode 01.10.32 # shuffle as current pseudo random 01.10.38 # random as in real random 01.10.48 # but what does random have to do with reshuffling? 01.10.49 # midknight2k3: are you talking about random, really, or just reshuffle at end of playlist? 01.11.09 # real random, and also wouldnt that work for reshuffle when playlist repeats? 01.11.20 # different things 01.11.24 # anyhow 01.11.28 # the only difference between random and shuffle is that shuffle makes sure you never hear the same track twice. i don't see why anyone would think that is bad. 01.11.40 # Zagor: not true 01.11.44 # shuffle keeps it the same way 01.11.52 # say your have 1-5 in your playlist 01.11.54 # Hadaka: explain 01.11.57 # Zagor: with shuffle play, you hear every track once before hearing any track for the second time 01.12.04 # it could do 1, 4, 3, 5, 2 01.12.09 # then over and over again 01.12.11 # IN THAT ORDER 01.12.12 # Zagor: with random, you might hear some track more often and some track less 01.12.21 # Hadaka: that's what i was trying to say 01.12.27 # i'm talking about totally random, no way to tell whats nect 01.12.29 # next* 01.12.44 # it could do 1, 4, 3, 5, 2 01.12.46 # then 1, 4, 3, 5, 2 01.12.47 # midknight2k3: no, you're simply talking about reshuffle at end of list 01.12.48 # and over 01.12.53 # Zagor: but being more random doesn't necessarily mean hearing the same track again 01.12.57 # doesnt it play in the same order? 01.13.04 # midknight2k3: random would be for example: 01.13.04 # your current mode? 01.13.12 # 1, 4, 3, 5, 2, 1, 4, 3, 5, 2, 1, 4, 3, 5, 2... ? 01.13.15 # 1, 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 1, 5, 1, 5, 1, 5 01.13.15 # Hadaka: it means there's a chance it will happen 01.13.31 # which it won't with shuffle 01.13.34 # zagor: but with current options i think it'd just keep looping the playlist shuffled 01.13.41 # and that's the only difference 01.13.47 # it shuffles it into a fake playlist, then loops that one 01.13.47 # Zagor: not if we make sure in the random that it won't pick the just played one - and possibly less chance to pick tracks more recently played 01.13.51 # am i correct? 01.13.58 # Zagor: not the only difference! 01.14.05 # midknight2k3: yes. we know you want to reshuffle the list. just don't call it random! 01.14.13 # but why not? 01.14.15 # Hadaka: then you need to explain it to me better :) 01.14.18 # midknight2k3: because it's not 01.14.23 # random would be good 01.14.24 # I'll give an example 01.14.25 # midknight2k3: because it's just reshuffle. it's not random. 01.14.38 # i... uh.... 01.14.50 # let's see only four track playlist - with shuffle, it could be: 01.14.59 # wouldn't random ALSO reshuffle when playlist repeats? as in constantly shuffling 01.15.10 # fixes the request and keeps it totally unknown 01.15.12 # well, example is silly 01.15.14 # midknight2k3: random has no shuffle 01.15.19 # but let's assume the four track playlist still 01.15.24 # random has no shuffle? 01.15.32 # with random that never plays two songs in a row, you could have: 01.15.32 # whats that supposed to mean?!? :-) 01.15.38 # midknight2k3: you *either* have random *or* shuffle. not both. 01.15.42 # yeah 01.15.45 # so shuffle, or random 01.15.48 # 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 2 4 2 3 4 01.15.56 # where as not even reshuffling can make that happen 01.16.07 # since with shuffling, you can't hear the same song more than once per size of playlist 01.16.09 # i'm not following you 01.16.15 # Hadaka: right. and why does anyone want that? 01.16.23 # but with shuffling, it plays in the same order over and over 01.16.30 # sort of a, con 01.16.35 # midknight2k3: no. just if you don't reshuffle at the end of the list. 01.16.48 # i thought it picked a seed and kept it 01.16.59 # ok then, how about reshuffle at playlist end 01.17.10 # midknight2k3: yes, that's a feature request 01.17.13 # Zagor: with a longer playlist that loops it's nicer if it's not fixed to the shuffle marks that keeps the songs that far away from each other 01.18.01 # Hadaka: why do you want to hear the same song more than once in a playlist loop? isn't diversity the whole point of random play? 01.18.09 # no 01.18.14 # its ok if you hear it more than once 01.18.15 # thats good 01.18.18 # but just not over and over 01.19.04 # i disagree, but if anybody wants random it's very very simple to do. 01.19.06 # Zagor: diversity is achieved also by playing the songs in order - with random, I want fuzziness into it so I at times I might hear some songs more than others 01.19.30 # well, there's more than one problem with it, but it's rather trivial 01.19.49 # very very simple? why doesnt it exist then? :D 01.20.12 # midknight2k3: because this is the first time i hear anyone saying they want to hear the same song twice :) 01.20.18 # it will need a new random number generator, since this one stores more than 32 bits of state 01.20.24 # lol zagor 01.20.29 # we usually get bug reports when people think that happens... 01.20.30 # Zagor: I might mention that I never said I want to hear the same song twice :) 01.20.36 # LOL 01.20.45 # with random, I want fuzziness into it so I at times I might hear some songs more than others 01.20.50 # ^^ hadaka 01.21.13 # midknight2k3: exactly - doesn't mean the same song twice in a row 01.21.15 # Hadaka: let me rephrase: "twice during a single playlist" 01.21.20 # not in a row, no 01.21.22 # Zagor: thanks :) 01.21.27 # hadaka, zagor, whoever 01.21.39 # just ensure that the same song isnt played twice in a row 01.21.44 # rather simple to do? 01.21.48 # then otherwise make it random 01.22.30 # well, perhaps make it so that the last played song has 0% chance, and the few recently played songs have lesser chance than other songs 01.22.41 # thats good! 01.22.46 # i still don't get the point of it. i hate devices that use that type of random. 01.22.53 # well 01.22.57 # it will be an option 01.23.04 # COULD be* 01.23.08 # random or shuffle 01.23.35 # the only time it'd be nice is if each and every single track has a probability rating, which is completely unworkable. 01.23.56 # well, either that, or reshuffle at end of playlist is necessary in any case 01.24.05 # reshuffle at end at least 01.24.07 # i agree reshuffle is needed 01.24.11 # thatd do it 01.24.42 # well, reshuffle has it's problems as well 01.25.38 # atleast the playing same song twice in a row problem 01.25.47 # oh? 01.25.58 # yup. we either have to accept that, or never move the order of the first song. 01.26.20 # to which the dumb problem would be to just reshuffle again when that happens - but it's a bit bothersome to do that on a 3k song playlist 01.26.35 # Zagor: but how do you resume a playlist that has been shuffled without changing the order of the first song 01.26.39 # Not if you reshuffle pointers. 01.26.56 # Hadaka: good point 01.27.04 # but there are alternatives to that 01.27.33 # build/linkage.lds:69: parse error 01.27.36 # is that my fault? 01.28.09 # probably :) 01.28.23 # it doesnt appear to be 01.28.34 # It's the Mormons' fault. (pun on LDS). 01.28.52 # "L" "O" "L" 01.29.59 # Here'a funny spam I got. I guess the spammers don't pay their programmers enough" To: RAND_NUM_1@diffenbach.org 01.30.21 # lol 01.32.04 # zagor 01.32.06 # its not building 01.32.10 # original error 01.32.20 # cpp0: warning: is shorter than expected 01.32.20 # :190:2: #endif without #if 01.32.20 # make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/newpatch/build/linkage.lds] Error 1 01.32.34 # midknight2k3, go for brought force. Delete *.o and re-compile 01.32.48 # brute force, ya mean? 01.32.52 # O(H I KNOW WHAT I CAN DO 01.32.56 # ILL UPDATE MY CLOCK 01.33.00 # uh, teah. I'm a bad typist 01.33.02 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@AC812EC9.ipt.aol.com) 01.33.02 # uh huh, oh yeah, i got the best idea 01.33.13 # diddystar5 01.35.13 # Zagor: if you think about reshuffling - then the only thing shuffling has is that a song cannot be heard three times inside playlist size songs - but it can be heard two times - and that songs are _atmost_ apart the size of two playlists and _atleast_ only one song - which, if compared to a random that balances recently heard songs less - isn't any different except that the probabilities even out faster than in random 01.36.56 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 01.37.52 # Hadaka: it can't be heard two times 01.38.04 # ah, you mean reshuffle. i get it. 01.38.08 # hi linus 01.38.10 # Zagor: indeed, reshuffling 01.38.40 # backy 01.38.42 # thats sounds neat and simple 01.38.42 # i still don't get why you *want* random 01.38.43 # linusy 01.38.44 # hi 01.38.53 # lol 01.39.39 # hi 01.40.33 # Hey Linus, how much free time do you have these days? 01.40.46 # little, i'd guess 01.41.58 # Hadaka wants playlist morphing, I think. random is a way to get halfway there. Yes? No? 01.42.13 # that was MY IDEA 01.42.14 # earHertz: practically none 01.42.26 # Darn. 01.42.36 # earHertz: anything special in mind? 01.43.12 # earHertz: playlist morphing is again one way to do it - but getting that so that the transformation is continuable - and storable in 32 bits - is a bit difficult 01.43.26 # though probably not impossible 01.45.25 # Hadaka, if you have the time and it doesn't bother you to do so, explain to me agina why the first song can't be moved? I'm afraid it's fallen out of my head. 01.46.13 # earHertz: erm... the problem was that we didn't want the same song playing twice - and making that happen so it's resumable is the thing to be solved 01.46.27 # lol 01.46.37 # "Fallen out of my head" 01.46.43 # lol 01.49.50 # When you're my age..... ;) 01.50.04 # sdd you asdf 01.50.32 # things just tend to "fall out your head"? 01.50.43 # and we use the first somg as the starting index, and the seed to get the list of random numbers specifying the further somgs, right? 01.50.59 # lol 01.50.59 # ssdssd 01.51.08 # Kid, I say, kid, I've forgotten more shit than you evah learnt! ;) 01.51.22 # what's "ssd" anyway? 01.51.27 # its SDD! 01.54.23 # sdd 01.55.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.56.06 # earHertz: you wanted some help from me? 01.56.26 # Um, yeah. 01.56.38 # can I pm you? 01.58.00 # &ROCKbox! 01.58.49 # LinusN: can we have a link at the top of the "new" patches page to load the old one? 01.59.35 # midknight2k3: why? 01.59.40 # dont like the new one 01.59.45 # not usually at least 01.59.49 # hard to see whats new and whats not 01.59.53 # too organized? :) 01.59.56 # simple the old way 02.00.00 # RIGHT ON! :) 02.00.12 # they are sorted in date order 02.00.15 # yeah, the old way it was just "patches" then "end" 02.00.16 # sure 02.00.22 # but then you go category to category 02.00.30 # hmm, whats the date again? did i see this yet? 02.00.41 # simple to hit END and see of theres anything new 02.04.47 # are you going to fix it? 02.10.43 # i cant wait to see clock make it in if it makes it in 02.11.24 # i have a great idea guys 02.11.26 # listen up 02.11.35 # heh 02.12.06 # how about a template for each model (in the checkout) like "buildrec" and "buildfm" and "buildplayer" with a makefile all set up and ready to build? 02.12.15 # checked out like other things 02.15.57 # hmm 02.16.02 # i should add Zagor to my redlist 02.16.42 # now linus and zagor are on my redlist 02.16.43 # yay 02.17.45 # now, what is a redlist? 02.19.09 # wit 02.20.30 # wit? 02.20.46 # wait* 02.20.53 # bluelist = friends 02.20.56 # redlist = devs 02.21.02 # sdd indeed 02.21.32 # so the devs are not your friends? :-) 02.21.52 # it cant be red and blue 02.21.57 # wasn't that obvious? 02.22.04 # linus brought it up 02.22.05 # not i 02.22.39 # i meant that the devs weren't your friends 02.22.46 # haha 02.22.55 # oh lol 02.25.27 # * scott666 notices that the mouse has been plugged in the whole time he was fiddeling with it 02.25.49 # oops... 02.36.13 # You keep fiddling with your "mouse" you'll go blind 02.37.05 # quiet you 02.37.39 # lol 02.37.39 # damn this infernal usb cable! 02.37.55 # just get a new one! 02.38.18 # 1. i dont have money 02.38.25 # 2. i dont have a car to get a new one 02.39.41 # i can't remember needing a car to buy a cable :-) 02.40.05 # oh, you live in us? 02.40.13 # 3. i dont have a credit card to buy one online 02.40.15 # yeah 02.40.29 # i suppose i COULD walk, but its cold out 02.40.55 # psh 02.41.04 # lazy... 02.41.08 # j/k 02.41.37 # Minneapolis, MN as of 12/19/2003 6:20 PM: 18� 02.42.17 # lol 02.44.13 # there was a point where the end of this paper clip seemed small... 02.44.14 Join top_bloke [0] (jibkjl@dsc02-chc-il-199-35-153-96.rasserver.net) 02.45.01 # lol 02.50.16 # how many languages does the hd-500 support? 02.50.24 # as many as you want it to? 02.50.27 # dunno 02.51.17 # i'm off to bed. bye all. 02.51.19 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.52.24 # bye 02.52.26 # to late 02.52.27 # lol 02.52.35 # lol 02.54.37 # English Korean Japanese Chinese 02.57.59 # German, Chicken, Danish, Deutch, Swedish 02.58.07 Join arspy87 [0] (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com) 02.58.09 # n/m the chicken 02.58.10 # lol 02.58.18 # it just rymed 02.58.34 # hey everyone 02.58.38 # hey 02.58.39 # hi 02.58.49 # i gotta go 02.58.55 # later 02.58.57 # bye 02.59.07 # bye everyone 02.59.11 Quit diddystar5 ("Bye") 03.00.55 Quit adi|home (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.00.55 NSplit orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.01.20 NHeal orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.01.20 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-11.216-194-24-219.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 03.05.39 Part arspy87 03.10.59 # LINUS! 03.11.01 # help! 03.11.14 # i keep getting this error 03.11.16 # __ 03.11.16 # /rockbox/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.0.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld:/home/rockbox/finalc 03.11.16 # lock5/build/linkage.lds:69: parse error 03.11.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK midknight2k3 03.11.16 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 03.11.16 # make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/finalclock5/build/rockbox.elf] Error 1 03.11.16 *** Alert Mode level 1 03.11.16 # make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/finalclock5/apps' 03.11.18 # make: *** [apps] Error 2 03.11.22 # midknight2k3: what's up? 03.11.31 # lol 03.11.34 # linusN is so nice 03.11.58 # and what's on line 59 of linkage.lds? 03.12.05 # er 03.12.10 # sdd? 03.12.12 # 69, sorry 03.13.08 # err, missing semicolon :) ? 03.13.16 # i didnt make it 03.13.22 # oh 03.13.22 # so chances are EVERYONE is gonna get this error 03.13.34 # this is freshly checked out 03.13.38 # no its just YOU 03.13.39 # non modified 03.13.41 # FU 03.13.44 # nah j/k 03.13.49 # o right 03.13.53 # whats on line.. 69 hm 03.14.03 # lol he said 69 03.14.17 # shutup! 03.14.19 # that was bad sorry 03.14.31 # 69: } 03.14.37 # heh 03.14.38 # oh 03.14.39 # i get it 03.14.40 # lol 03.14.41 *** Alert Mode level 2 03.14.41 # but no 03.14.44 # still 03.14.45 # shutup 03.14.55 # LOL 03.14.59 # its just: } 03.15.26 # theres probably one missing then 03.15.32 # well 03.15.36 # its not my fault 03.15.49 # aa 03.15.54 Quit cjnr11 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.16.25 # i see that you are building your firmware in a directory two levels down from the "rockbox" dir 03.16.31 # two levels? 03.16.36 # just one 03.16.41 # rockbox/clock5/build 03.16.50 # thats FINALCLOCK5 to you. 03.16.54 # rockbox IS the dir 03.17.06 # and it always builds in "build" 03.17.11 # oh, so finalclock5 is the rockbox dir 03.17.28 # "rockbox" is the rockbox dir 03.17.37 # finalclock5 contains apps, firmware, etc 03.17.38 # rockbox is your home dir, isn't it? 03.17.41 # build is the builddir 03.17.44 # yes to that 03.17.56 # and finalclock5 is the rockbox dir 03.18.05 # with apps, firmware etc 03.18.09 # and build 03.18.44 # if ("rockbox" dir) { equal to dir with apps, firmware, etc, question=CORRECT } 03.18.50 # sorry couldnt resist C formatted reply 03.18.51 # lol 03.19.03 # wow 03.19.10 # what 03.19.11 # what 03.19.19 # nothing 03.19.22 # what 03.19.46 # i bet linus will hound me with insults on my crappy code :D 03.20.19 # lol 03.20.25 # nah 03.20.28 # someones gotta 03.20.34 #