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00.00.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> You need a recursive tape for that.
00.00.08 #       <midknight2k3> http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00.00.09 #       <Bluechip> kurz: it may be possible, never actually tried, but would it not be easier to add the calls you require to the the plugin-code
00.00.13 #       <midknight2k3> I SUBMITTED THAT EASTER EGG
00.00.14 #       <midknight2k3> http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00.00.14 #       <midknight2k3> http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00.00.14 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
00.00.14 #       <midknight2k3> http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00.00.20 #       <midknight2k3> have a look
00.00.23 #       <midknight2k3> WOO
00.00.33 #       <arspy87> *clicks strange repetitive blue lettering*
00.00.34 #       <midknight2k3> 8.3 / 10 thumbs up\
00.00.56 #       <arspy87> nice, midk
00.01.03 #       <midknight2k3> 8.3
00.01.06 #       <kurzhaarrocker> blue: that's a question of design. I need code from apps/recorder/peakmeter.c And I don't think it should be in the general api. Only code from firmware.
00.01.07 #       <midknight2k3> thats a HIGH rating
00.01.11 #       <midknight2k3> bet im in the top 25 eggs
00.01.16 #       <midknight2k3> ill check
00.01.28 #       <midknight2k3> ohh
00.01.30 #       <midknight2k3> most popular
00.01.34 #       <midknight2k3> not most high rating
00.01.35 #       <Bluechip> kurz: ahh, just replied to your posting
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00.01.48 #       * kurzhaarrocker reads
00.02.28 #       <arspy87> someone: can anybody point me to the distinguishes between c and c++
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00.03.04 #       <Bluechip> ars: LOL - you in for a shock dude
00.03.17 #       <Bluechip> object orientation is like you've never seen before
00.03.17 #       <midknight2k3> ars - i like that
00.03.18 #       <midknight2k3> kik
00.03.21 #       <midknight2k3> lol*
00.03.24 #       <midknight2k3> hey ars
00.03.33 #       <arspy87> i am learning c++ currently
00.03.44 #       <arspy87> if i were to write c code what are the things that i cant use
00.03.44 #       <kurzhaarrocker> blue: the vu meter uses the the MAS functions directly. That's why it doesn't have db scaling. For db scaling the vu meter could take advantage of peakmeter, too.
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00.04.02 #       <Bluechip> spy: remove all objects and use printf instead of cout
00.04.35 #       <arspy87> ok, so it's printf << "text" instead of std::cout << "text"?
00.04.48 #       <arspy87> darn emotes
00.05.09 #       <Bluechip> kurz: I suggest you have two options then ...clone the code or improve the plugin interface :)
00.05.24 #       <arspy87> what about cin for input? is that replaced?
00.05.34 #       <Bluechip> no printf(qualifier,variables, ...);
00.05.51 #       <arspy87> ahhh
00.05.52 #       <arspy87> bad
00.06.01 #       <Sebulba02> Whats bad about printf?
00.06.04 #       <arspy87> can't comprehend differnt syntax....
00.06.13 #       <Bluechip> type "man printf" into google :)
00.06.36 #       <arspy87> good idea
00.06.47 #       <Bluechip> (VERY cute feature of google is a clone of the unix MANual)
00.06.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> blue: code cloning is not an option. Improving the plugin interface to solve this dilemma might be to establish a second api pointer for the stuff in apps. Doesn't feel good either. 
00.06.58 #       <Bluechip> (kettle) brb
00.07.26 #       <arspy87> so how would i print stuff to the screen with printf?
00.07.42 #       <kurzhaarrocker> just say printf("hello world");
00.07.44 #       <arspy87> and wait, objects = ? sorry ive only made it to chapter 4 of c++ for dummies
00.07.49 #       <arspy87> ah, thank you
00.08.07 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
00.08.14 #       <midknight2k3> i got 1 second recorded before it stopped this time
00.08.22 #       <arspy87> oh really, midk
00.08.28 #       <midknight2k3> at this rate only about 60*60*2.5
00.08.32 #       <midknight2k3> like ...
00.08.34 #       <midknight2k3> hmm
00.08.46 #       <kurzhaarrocker> the trick is the format strings: printf("%d + %d = %d", 1, 2,  1 + 2); prints 1 + 2 = 3
00.08.52 #       <midknight2k3> 9000 more seconds to record
00.09.18 #       <arspy87> youll be up for a while midk
00.09.20 #       <midknight2k3> add in about an extra 3000 for bad timed "RECORD" pressed
00.09.30 #       <midknight2k3> and a few extras also for when the screen dims
00.09.34 #       <midknight2k3> id say about 15000 total
00.10.04 #       <arspy87> so what things are object in c++? brb getting our the reference for the rest of us
00.10.08 #       <midknight2k3> hhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmm
00.10.10 #       <arspy87> out*
00.10.45 #       <midknight2k3> YREAH!~~!!!!
00.10.53 #       <midknight2k3> NO LINES WHEN RECORDING FROM SCREEN
00.11.01 #       <midknight2k3> maybe a good idea after all!
00.12.17 #       <arspy87> objects in c++ = arrays, , i/o streams, pointers, etc?
00.12.51 #       <kurzhaarrocker> arspy: as soon as you have a class of a struct with functions in it it's the definition of an object.
00.13.03 #       <arspy87> oooh, ok i get it now
00.13.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> replace the first of with or, please
00.13.21 #       <arspy87> k
00.13.38 #       <Bluechip> kurz: hmmm, what other options are available?
00.13.38 #       <Bluechip> spy: if you cannot program in C, learn C BEFORE you try to learn C++ (imho)
00.13.53 #       <arspy87> i'd so never eb able to learn that, learned only object-oriented languages so far
00.14.13 #       <Bluechip> if you cannot handle C, then C++ is braced to eat you alive
00.14.28 #       <Sebulba02> I dunno about that.
00.14.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I doubt that, too.
00.14.43 #       <arspy87> i've got 2 books, lol. one of them doesnt recommend learning c first. and the other says it doesnt matter lol
00.14.44 #       <Bluechip> c++ is C with objects and not a lot more
00.14.45 #       <midknight2k3> good ok took a small clip
00.14.48 #       <midknight2k3> ill try to convert it
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00.15.20 #       <Sebulba02> Uh, quite a bit more.  It gives you memory allocation
00.15.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> bluechip: no. Object orientet programming is a style
00.15.32 #       <glytch> i hear there is mpg playing in rockbox now ? 
00.15.41 #       <midknight2k3> glytch: videos, yes
00.15.43 #       <midknight2k3> rvf format
00.15.51 #       <midknight2k3> you can convert to rvf from avi
00.15.56 #       <midknight2k3> not mpeg
00.16.02 #       <arspy87> avi = mpg
00.16.07 #       <arspy87> you can just change the extension
00.16.11 #       <glytch> damn... thats awsome
00.16.18 #       <midknight2k3> as: uhh
00.16.21 #       <midknight2k3> thats asf and wmv
00.16.22 #       <Bluechip> Kurz: sorry dude, don't do the OO debate - i understand both views and am not prepared to limit myself to one level of understanding
00.16.22 #       <glytch> seems like ogg playing isn't so impossible anymore... (: 
00.16.24 #       <arspy87> ive done it, lol
00.16.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> blue ok
00.16.34 #       <midknight2k3> iirc
00.17.12 #       <arspy87> ogg = really nice
00.17.24 #       <arspy87> especially on a portable
00.17.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> glytch: ogg is impossible.
00.17.42 #       <glytch> kurzhaarrocker, absolutely no hope?
00.17.44 #       <arspy87> wont tha require too much processor?
00.17.46 #       <arspy87> (ogg)
00.17.47 #       <Bluechip> kurz: never say impossible
00.18.16 #       <midknight2k3> as: yes
00.18.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Read the nodos. No ogg with rockbox. Can't work.
00.18.29 #       <midknight2k3> kurz: are you positive of that?
00.18.40 #       <Sebulba02> heh
00.18.41 #       <arspy87> is it all taht fixed point vs floating point yuckiness with ogg encoding?
00.18.42 #       <Bluechip> kurz: the nodo needs updating 
00.18.49 #       <arspy87> = more cpu usage required
00.19.04 #       <Bluechip> what about the onboard programmable DSP?
00.19.04 #       <kurzhaarrocker> blue: what info do I miss then?
00.19.06 #       <glytch> i bet there is a way...
00.19.14 #       <arspy87> what about low bitrate ogg?
00.19.15 #       <Bluechip> the programming docs for the MAS
00.19.23 #       <glytch> peopled tried floating point emulation ? 
00.19.58 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Blue it's not the programming docs, it's a problem of the huge tables that don't fit into the memory of the MAS
00.20.12 #       <arspy87> arent portables fixed? so ogg would take too much to decode
00.20.18 #       <Bluechip> depends what functions are already supplied
00.20.19 #       <arspy87> thus why it always kills battery life
00.20.25 #       <midknight2k3> i bet its possible to do ogg if we both flash rockbox enabling >200KB firmware and also deleting every feature available (plugins, lineselector, etc)
00.20.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> The programming docs _might_ enable wav playback at low quality though.
00.20.50 #       <midknight2k3> and then make a NO FRILLS TOTALLY UNFRILLY 500KB firmwrae for ogg
00.21.04 #       <arspy87> you cant go above 200kb for rockbox?
00.21.05 #       <Bluechip> I must say, that I feel ogg *is* unlikely, but I will not go so far as to risk my reputation on saying "impossible"
00.21.10 #       <midknight2k3> nope
00.21.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> midknight: the memory of the MAS is in the MAS and has nothing to do with the memory rockbox is in
00.21.19 #       <midknight2k3> blue: right on
00.21.28 #       <midknight2k3> kurz: what?
00.21.35 #       <midknight2k3> archos doesnt allow >200KB firmware
00.21.36 #       <midknight2k3> period
00.21.40 #       <midknight2k3> unless you flash it
00.22.33 #       <kurzhaarrocker> the MAS has it's own memory. The SH1 has its own memory. The MAS can not use the memory of the cpu.
00.22.33 #       <midknight2k3> nothing to do with the MAS
00.22.33 #       <arspy87> oh
00.22.35 #       <Bluechip> hence the introduction of the plugin system L)
00.22.48 #       <midknight2k3> kurz: i dont think you're getting my point
00.24.09 #       <arspy87> how much space would ogg require?
00.24.21 #       <Bluechip> depends on what is not there already
00.24.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> midk: I don't even get where I lost your point.
00.24.35 #       <midknight2k3> kurz: good
00.25.45 #       <arspy87> why doesnt the archos allow more than 200kb fw, is it a ram issue?
00.25.54 #       <kurzhaarrocker> arspy: I think the ogg tables require ~400 kb. I might be wrong though.
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00.25.55 #       <Bluechip> firmware issue afaik
00.26.38 #       <Bluechip>   HEYYYY :) the wim has stopped GPFing :)
00.26.42 #       <Bluechip> *sim
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00.30.29 #       <earHertz> It's not a memory issue (although more code means less mpeg buffer means more disk reads means shorter battery life), it's anArchos loader issue.
00.30.40 #       <earHertz> Archos won't load > ~204KB
00.30.51 #       <midknight2k3> >200 ear
00.31.03 #       <earHertz> whatever
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00.31.22 #       <arspy87> back, sorry guys computer crashed
00.31.28 #       <midknight2k3> SDD YOUR FACE
00.31.39 #       <arspy87> sorry midk lol
00.31.44 #       <kurzhaarrocker> earHertz: but wouldn't it be able to overcome that issue now that the bootloader is done by rockbox, too?
00.32.03 #       <earHertz> Yeah, theorretically.
00.32.13 #       <midknight2k3> kurz: RIGHT
00.32.23 #       <earHertz> But you'd have to load a normal size rockbox and have it load oyur bigger one.
00.32.25 #       <midknight2k3> which is WHAT I WAS SAYING when you started to talk about MAS memory
00.32.28 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Even if not: the tables could be loaded from disk after boot. 
00.32.30 #       <midknight2k3> thats where you lost me
00.32.36 #       <midknight2k3> ear: no
00.32.38 #       <earHertz> But do you need code space or data space?
00.32.47 #       <midknight2k3> withour own bootloader we could overcome the issue outright
00.33.03 #       <earHertz> only if it were our bootloader in flash rom
00.33.12 #       <midknight2k3> RIGHT
00.33.13 #       <midknight2k3> it is
00.33.15 #       <midknight2k3> when you flash
00.33.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> midk: this still doesn't solve the problem that we can't put the data anywhere where the MAS chip could access the data.
00.33.19 #       <midknight2k3> there is no need for multi loading
00.33.35 #       <midknight2k3> sure, but if we had a good algo worked out in our >200kb fw it could happen
00.34.13 #       <earHertz> tell me, why do you think archos decodes mp3s on the mas rather than on the sh1?
00.34.21 #       <kurzhaarrocker> midk: no the MAS chip doesn't have address and data wires to the ram chip that is used for flash / ram. It uses its own internal memory.
00.34.33 #       <Bluechip> comms is via i2c
00.34.34 #       <midknight2k3> and thats all it uses for decoding?
00.34.41 #       <midknight2k3> but we can put what we want there.
00.34.46 #       <Bluechip> no addr bus
00.34.48 #       <midknight2k3> so we can do a software decoder
00.35.04 #       <earHertz> midknight2k3, I repeat, tell me, why do you think archos decodes mp3s on the mas rather than on the sh1?
00.35.07 #       <kurzhaarrocker> erHertz: thats why the MAS chip is in the thing it is the codec dsp
00.35.14 #       <earHertz> the sh1 is 12mHz
00.35.19 #       <Bluechip> 4kx20bits of  "coefficient" memory and 4Kx20bits of code space
00.35.22 #       <midknight2k3> because the mas is built for it!
00.35.24 #       <earHertz> too slow
00.35.31 #       <arspy87> brb dinner.
00.35.36 #       <kurzhaarrocker> especially with fix point arithmetic
00.35.39 #       <midknight2k3> right. but with the larger firmware its possssible
00.35.55 #       <Bluechip> the MAS chip is the MP3 codec
00.36.05 #       <midknight2k3> back in a few
00.36.45 #       <kurzhaarrocker> bluechip: and in these 4Kx20bits you can not stuff 400 kb ogg tables.
00.37.15 #       <Bluechip> is that the only way of doing it?  bummer!
00.37.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes
00.37.27 #       <Bluechip> impossible to optimise the ogg code!  damn
00.37.53 #       <Bluechip> and zero useful functions built into the mas too - that's not helpful
00.38.26 #       <Bluechip> I has preeviously guessed that the MAS would have all the primary transforms available to the codec
00.38.37 #       <Bluechip> codec->ram-code
00.38.42 #       <kurzhaarrocker> There might be some useful functions. Maybe even functions that could help decompressing jpgs or something.
00.38.54 #       <Bluechip> that's in interesting thought
00.40.11 #       <kurzhaarrocker> unfortunately ogg decoding not only requires the functions, but those large tables, too.
00.40.43 #       <Bluechip> it's all a matter of whether they can be optimised, or even generated on the fly somehow
00.41.08 #       <Bluechip> bwt wouldn't be much use, but the principle is sound
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00.42.51 #       <Bluechip> how do I get to see the post processor output for my code?
00.43.19 #       * kurzhaarrocker scratches his head
00.43.27 #       <kurzhaarrocker> never tried to
00.43.41 #       <Bluechip> bug of weirdness in the sim - looks really simple - but CAN I FIND IT???
00.43.49 #       <Bluechip> nooooo
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00.46.07 #       <arspy87> back
00.46.53 #       <arspy87> *checks to see what he missed*
00.47.34 #       <arspy87> i still wonder why ogg is encoded with floating point
00.47.44 #       <arspy87> not very optimized for portable devices
00.48.15 #       <Bluechip> accuracy
00.48.26 #       <Sebulba02> Better that way.
00.48.43 #       <arspy87> ?
00.49.13 #       <Sebulba02> Floating point accuracy
00.49.37 #       <arspy87> isnt that what requires more cpu usage compared to mp3 or whatever?
00.54.44 #       <earHertz> yes, if floating point is emulated in software
00.55.03 #       <arspy87> which is true for portable devices, no?
00.55.10 #       <earHertz> yes and no if you have a hardware floating point unit, as Pentiums
00.55.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> depends on the processor
00.55.18 #       <arspy87> on ARM7's
00.55.23 #       <arspy87> there isnt one
00.55.33 #       <earHertz> arspy87, we don't even support floating point at all in Rockbox, iirc
00.55.51 #       <earHertz> no flots, no doubles
00.55.56 #       <earHertz> floats, even
00.56.07 #       <arspy87> oh i know, i'm just inquiring
00.56.14 #       <Bluechip> recall comments of Jo"rg mentioning some FP stuff at some point during the video stuff
00.56.28 #       <arspy87> got off ona  tangent with myself and ogg, lol
00.58.37 #       <arspy87> what cpu is in the archos?
00.58.46 #       <Bluechip> sh-1
00.59.14 #       <arspy87> no floating point unit on it?
00.59.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> no
00.59.32 #       <arspy87> know if theres floating pt unit on ARM7's?
01.01.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't know
01.02.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> floating point arithmetic can be emulated. But that is slow and uses memory. Generally there's no need for floating point in rockbox since all the floating point things are done by the MAS
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01.02.49 #       <midknight2k3> hey all
01.02.50 #       <arspy87> wb midk
01.02.56 #       <arspy87> you missed the heated discussion
01.03.00 #       <midknight2k3> on what
01.03.11 #       <arspy87> ogg, floating point accuracy, and ARM7 processors
01.03.16 #       <midknight2k3> i was here
01.03.17 #       <midknight2k3> for that
01.03.21 #       <arspy87> now i have a headache, lol
01.03.27 #       <arspy87> no, thre was more, 
01.03.56 #       <arspy87> anyway
01.04.01 #       <midknight2k3> whatever.
01.05.00 #       * kurzhaarrocker beats everybody who doesn't understand his argumentation with a smelly large trout
01.05.10 #       * midknight2k3 slaps kurzhaarrocker around a bit with a large trout
01.05.27 #       * arspy87 slaps midk with an old iPod
01.05.44 #       <arspy87> sory, couldnt resist
01.05.45 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.06.07 #       <arspy87> kurz: i understand
01.06.15 #       <midknight2k3> i dont
01.07.18 #       <arspy87> midk: did you get your analog clock in rb yet?
01.07.37 #       <midknight2k3> no.. linusn wants a second hand
01.07.43 #       <midknight2k3> and rb wont compile
01.07.45 #       <arspy87> makes sense
01.07.47 #       <midknight2k3> so ... yeah
01.07.49 #       <midknight2k3> sure it does
01.07.54 #       <midknight2k3> but if i cant compile it doesnt
01.08.03 #       <arspy87> gets errors?
01.08.08 #       <Bluechip> whats the problem mk
01.08.11 #       <midknight2k3> correct
01.08.19 #       <midknight2k3> some stdin #endif without #if
01.08.40 #       <arspy87> so put in an #if somewhere, lol
01.08.49 #       <midknight2k3> as: where?
01.08.51 #       <midknight2k3> can you tell me?
01.08.53 #       <arspy87> no idea
01.08.58 #       <midknight2k3> ok then
01.09.11 #       <earHertz> email me you code, midknight2k3 
01.09.11 #       <Bluechip> sned me the offending code
01.09.13 #       <midknight2k3> anyone else have any ideas?
01.09.14 #       <Bluechip> lol
01.09.18 #       <midknight2k3> blue: i could fix it
01.09.22 #       <arspy87> #if (!plugin_ok) lcd_update();
01.09.24 #       <midknight2k3> the problem is i cant find it
01.09.27 #       <arspy87> dont you have that?
01.09.31 #       <midknight2k3> wtf are you talking about as
01.09.34 #       <arspy87> never mind
01.09.35 #       <arspy87> lol
01.10.00 #       <midknight2k3> bc: i could fix it but it just says stdin
01.10.06 #       <midknight2k3> there is no stdin file
01.10.18 #       <earHertz> stdin is what the linker is reading
01.10.21 #       <Bluechip> what is the precise and full error
01.10.28 #       <earHertz> stdin is the filestream out of teh compiler
01.10.31 #       <midknight2k3> ear: you said that
01.10.35 #       <midknight2k3> and WHERE can i fix this?
01.11.02 #       <earHertz> Look, the linker is saying, I read my input and I found an #if withoutt a corresponding #endif
01.11.17 #       <midknight2k3> ear: i get the error!
01.11.20 #       <midknight2k3> what is it with you people
01.11.20 #       <earHertz> You need to look in your .rock's code
01.11.25 #       <midknight2k3> I KNOW WHAT AN ENDIF IS
01.11.27 #       * kurzhaarrocker is tired and drops into his bed
01.11.28 #       <midknight2k3> and ITS NOT IN MY PLUGIN
01.11.39 #       <midknight2k3> STDIN! S. T. D. I. N. IS WHERE ITS AT!
01.11.41 #       <arspy87> night kurz
01.11.44 #       <midknight2k3> does that make sense?
01.11.50 #       <earHertz> what other changes have you made beyond your plugin?
01.11.58 #       <midknight2k3> none.
01.12.00 #       <Bluechip> lol
01.12.07 #       <midknight2k3> /rockbox/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.0.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld:/home/rockbox/finalc
01.12.07 #       <midknight2k3> lock6/build/linkage.lds:69: parse error
01.12.24 #       <midknight2k3> GREAT. line 69 error, AGAIN
01.12.26 #       <earHertz> if you move your oplugin to another directory, will rockbox compile and link?
01.12.34 #       <midknight2k3> it wont compile EVER
01.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> are you listening
01.12.45 #       <midknight2k3> it doesnt get NEAR the plugins before it sprouts an error
01.12.51 #       <arspy87> whats on line 69
01.12.59 #       <midknight2k3> }
01.13.04 #       <midknight2k3> happened last time
01.13.08 #       <arspy87> the line above?
01.13.16 #       <Bluechip> mk, don't ask for advice and then refuse to try the things suggested, or people will feel that they are being ignored and go away ;)
01.13.29 #       <midknight2k3> its not a suggestion
01.13.30 #       <earHertz> Bluechip, makes a good point
01.13.38 #       <midknight2k3> you cant suggest fixing something that doesnt exist
01.13.46 #       <midknight2k3> if you do then i want you to go away indeed
01.13.55 #       <Bluechip> did you try eh's specific suggestion?
01.14.04 #       <midknight2k3> listen carefully. error in linkage.lds. no where near the plug in.
01.14.10 #       <midknight2k3> that was what?
01.14.14 #       <midknight2k3> "fix the error"?
01.14.14 #       <arspy87> what is on line 68?
01.14.20 #       <midknight2k3> as: ITS }
01.14.25 #       <arspy87> no, line 68 the one above
01.14.50 #       <Bluechip> well, dude, if you fancy trying the EH suggestion (which is imho a good test), let me know what, if anything, changes
01.14.56 #       <midknight2k3> inbuf = .;
01.15.02 #       <midknight2k3> blue: WHAT IS THE SUGGESTION
01.15.16 #       <Bluechip> ^^^
01.15.19 #       <earHertz> midknight2k3, in your build dir, rm *.o linkage.lds
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01.16.37 #       <midknight2k3> done
01.16.54 #       <earHertz> now make
01.16.59 #       <midknight2k3> am doing
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01.18.04 #       <midknight2k3> the features list isnt very good
01.18.09 #       <midknight2k3> hi linusn
01.18.25 #       <midknight2k3> ear: back to the     <stdin>:190:2: #endif without #if       error
01.18.42 #       <midknight2k3> and, er, where did you propose we fix stdin? wasnt it my rock file?
01.18.57 #       <earHertz> ok, look, in your roc .c and .h and see if you have any #if s
01.19.11 #       <Bluechip> can you compile a clean source code install?
01.19.12 #       <midknight2k3> ear: we havent even got close to the rock file
01.19.17 #       <midknight2k3> blue: no
01.19.20 #       <midknight2k3> thats the point
01.19.22 #       <arspy87> do you have a corresponding if to the endif?
01.19.27 #       <midknight2k3> it doesnt come close to the rock
01.19.31 #       <Bluechip> then your problem is with your compiler installation
01.19.33 #       <midknight2k3> as: thats not the issue!
01.19.42 #       <arspy87> kk
01.19.50 #       <earHertz> midknight2k3,  that is precisely the issue
01.19.55 #       <arspy87> yay
01.20.00 #       <midknight2k3> forget it
01.20.06 #       <midknight2k3> second hand isnt coming anytime soon
01.20.08 #       <Bluechip> forget what?
01.20.13 #       <arspy87> actually midk is probably right considering im pretty amateur at this stuff
01.20.19 #       <midknight2k3> the clock
01.20.26 #       * midknight2k3 rubs head
01.20.34 #       <arspy87> midk can you send it to me?
01.20.39 #       <earHertz> midknight2k3, I've offered to have you mail it to me.
01.20.46 #       <midknight2k3> as: were you listening?
01.20.47 #       <midknight2k3> NO NO NO!
01.20.55 #       <midknight2k3> IT is not getting close to the ROCKS YET
01.20.58 #       <midknight2k3> it isnt a faulty ROCK!
01.21.07 #       <Bluechip> no, its a faulty cywin installation
01.21.13 #       <midknight2k3> is bluechip invisible to you all?
01.21.20 #       <midknight2k3> hes already stated the problem
01.21.26 #       <Bluechip> you wanna working dev kit?
01.21.30 #       * midknight2k3 tears hair out
01.21.31 #       <LinusN> midknight2k3: i compiled rockbox with cygwin yesterday without problems
01.21.32 #       <midknight2k3> no thx
01.21.33 #       <earHertz> ok.
01.21.38 #       <midknight2k3> linus: my fault
01.21.46 #       <earHertz> and I did it wednesday
01.21.57 #       <midknight2k3> like i just said, it is my fault
01.22.07 #       <midknight2k3> if you didnt hear bluechip the three times he said it, it's a faulty cygwin
01.22.16 #       <midknight2k3> faulty cygwin
01.22.17 #       <midknight2k3> faulty cygwin
01.22.18 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
01.22.18 #       <midknight2k3> faulty cygwin
01.22.28 #       <LinusN> midknight2k3: how come?
01.22.35 #       <midknight2k3> no idea
01.22.50 #       <midknight2k3> is it worth attempting to implement?
01.22.58 #       <midknight2k3> i'll do it all if it's worth it
01.23.13 #       <midknight2k3> i doubt its got a point.. the bounce code already has a clock
01.23.24 #       <earHertz> SO REINSTALL CYGWIN
01.23.31 #       <midknight2k3> ear: i will
01.23.35 #       <Bluechip> i have a one click solution here
01.23.38 #       <midknight2k3> no need to reiterate
01.23.40 #       <earHertz> I did that a week or so aago
01.23.45 #       <Bluechip> sorry, wont offer again
01.23.46 #       <midknight2k3> calm down
01.23.49 #       <midknight2k3> blue: what?
01.24.03 #       <midknight2k3> i was aiming "no need to reiterate" at earhertz
01.24.07 #       <Bluechip> ah
01.24.12 #       <earHertz> ah
01.24.15 #       <midknight2k3> :\.. whats your idea?
01.24.17 #       <arspy87> ah
01.25.51 #       <arspy87> cygwin, is that a command line compiler?
01.26.01 #       <midknight2k3> cygwin.com
01.26.07 #       <arspy87> ty
01.26.13 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip
01.26.15 #       <midknight2k3> what was your idea?
01.26.47 #       <Bluechip> ^^^
01.26.59 #       <midknight2k3>  i have a one click solution here.
01.27.08 #       <Bluechip> that was the reiteration
01.27.08 #       <midknight2k3> what you said
01.27.12 #       <midknight2k3> of....
01.27.34 #       <midknight2k3> ..what?
01.28.31 #       <arspy87> i still think you need to see if you have a correstponding #if statement
01.28.43 #       <midknight2k3> as: you're WAY behind
01.28.50 #       <arspy87> sorry :-/
01.28.54 #       <midknight2k3> i suggest you read from 50 lines up, to present
01.29.10 #       <arspy87> i did sorta, but im practically falling asleep
01.29.19 #       <Bluechip> type "^^^" it's quicker -- lol
01.29.28 #       <midknight2k3> but less accurate
01.29.35 #       <midknight2k3> can you reiterate bluechip
01.30.02 #       <arspy87> cant you do something like 50x^ ?
01.30.10 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.30.18 #       <midknight2k3> thats what KARMA users do
01.30.19 #       <arspy87> would be more accurate
01.30.25 #       <Bluechip> i said something about having a dev kit for you and you said something about people ignoring me - LOL
01.30.29 #       <arspy87> oh is the karma being brought into this now? lol
01.30.51 #       <midknight2k3> as: if you want it to be
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01.30.58 #       <arspy87> lol
01.31.05 #       <midknight2k3> bc: that was about 15 lines later
01.31.14 #       <midknight2k3> earhertz and as weren't following you
01.31.18 #       <arspy87> karma is very innocent in this matter imo
01.31.24 #       <midknight2k3> sure
01.31.28 #       <midknight2k3> as it cannot be programmed
01.31.32 #       <midknight2k3> stuck with original firmware
01.31.38 #       <arspy87> true
01.31.40 #       <midknight2k3> no point in discussing
01.31.59 #       <arspy87> in terms of open source, you are correct mr knight
01.32.11 #       <midknight2k3> even in non open source
01.32.21 #       <midknight2k3> the archos can be "programmed" by non programmers
01.32.24 #       <midknight2k3> custom wps'
01.32.38 #       <arspy87> interesting
01.32.40 #       <midknight2k3> no need to touch the source to have a customized firmware
01.32.46 #       <midknight2k3> playing screen
01.33.16 #       <arspy87> no possible programmable on the karma anyway which stinks, but id be awful at it anyway
01.33.17 #       <midknight2k3> very
01.33.27 #       <midknight2k3> you'd be, but would others?
01.33.37 #       <midknight2k3> its possible
01.33.43 #       <arspy87> the encryption is too simple to make it impossible to access audio data i heard
01.33.55 #       <arspy87> so it wouldnt be released by rio
01.34.37 #       <arspy87> hey i have an idea
01.34.37 #       <earHertz> same. If the Karma were open source, I'd have bought it by now
01.34.50 #       <midknight2k3> well duh
01.34.52 #       <midknight2k3> ida busted the archos
01.34.56 #       <midknight2k3> and swapped it
01.34.58 #       <arspy87> can you write a pseudocrossfade in rb? would be nice
01.35.03 #       <midknight2k3> nope
01.35.08 #       <midknight2k3> well
01.35.08 #       <arspy87> too much?
01.35.09 #       <midknight2k3> maybe
01.35.21 #       <earHertz> remember, teh MAS decodes.
01.35.30 #       <arspy87> right right, that jsut registered
01.35.33 #       <earHertz> crossfading requires decoding two streams at once
01.35.43 #       <arspy87> but what about doing pseudo style?
01.35.57 #       <Bluechip> not with mp3 - need to decode 2 streams in the sh-1
01.36.04 #       <arspy87> switching back and forth really fast as told to me by midk is a possible crossfade method
01.36.17 #       <Bluechip> not with mp3
01.36.26 #       <arspy87> oh not with mp3 i see
01.36.38 #       <midknight2k3> as: what?
01.36.40 #       <arspy87> does rockbox decode other formats as well?
01.36.42 #       <Bluechip> with PCM/WAV, yes
01.36.45 #       <Bluechip> no
01.36.49 #       <midknight2k3> dont bring me into this as a coverup for your idiotic ideas :)
01.36.50 #       <Bluechip> at lesat not yet
01.37.03 #       <arspy87> midk remember the crossfade issue, lol
01.37.09 #       <midknight2k3> i asked
01.37.13 #       <midknight2k3> i wasnt sure
01.37.14 #       <arspy87> "bona fide" vs "pseudo" lol
01.37.22 #       <midknight2k3> that was uksbe
01.37.24 #       <midknight2k3> not i
01.37.36 #       <arspy87> yes but you brought up the issue mr 2k3 :)
01.37.42 #       <midknight2k3> sure
01.37.44 #       <arspy87> well it was a good thought imo
01.37.51 #       <midknight2k3> its possible
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01.42.02 #       <arspy87> are the new archos's supported by rb or planned to be or are they all impossible?
01.42.09 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.42.11 #       <midknight2k3> not planned
01.42.12 #       <midknight2k3> wont happen
01.42.13 #       <earHertz> the gmini?
01.42.23 #       <earHertz> the multi-medias?
01.42.23 #       <arspy87> i saw one at circuit city
01.42.23 #       <midknight2k3> new archos's
01.42.25 #       <earHertz> nope
01.42.30 #       <arspy87> the daps
01.42.37 #       <arspy87> all in c++ or something?
01.42.37 #       <midknight2k3> any new one
01.42.49 #       <midknight2k3> its not like you can just say "let me program it"
01.42.52 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.42.55 #       <midknight2k3> its hard work
01.43.00 #       <arspy87> of course
01.43.13 #       <midknight2k3> i suggest you go to http://rockbox.haxx.se, click "older news items" and read bottom up
01.43.16 #       <arspy87> ohi noticed thre are different versions for the different players
01.43.24 #       <earHertz> They're very different in architechture, and, for the gmini, buisness model
01.43.27 #       <arspy87> its not all the same, haha ;)
01.43.51 #       <arspy87> midk: will do
01.45.12 #       <arspy87> so if rb replaces the whole fw you guys must have written audio decoder as well?
01.45.18 #       <arspy87> or...
01.45.21 #       <arspy87> dont lsiten to me
01.45.41 #       <midknight2k3> yes
01.46.34 #       <LinusN> arspy87: the mp3 decoding is done by a dedicated chip, not the firmware
01.47.05 #       <arspy87> ah ok
01.47.10 #       <arspy87> i thought it would be something like that
01.47.23 #       <LinusN> that's the MAS everyone is talking about
01.48.44 #       <arspy87> brb
01.52.59 #       <midknight2k3> back in a bit
01.55.28 #       <earHertz> back in a byte
01.55.37 #       <arspy87> ha!!
01.55.45 #       <midknight2k3> tee hee
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01.56.39 #       <DJBaz> hi
01.56.46 #       <arspy87> hey
01.56.49 #       <DJBaz> how do i find out if i have a jukebox v2?
01.57.07 #       <Bluechip> does it take aa batteries?
01.57.33 #       <DJBaz> just nimh
01.57.40 #       <Bluechip> not a recorder v1
01.57.40 #       <LinusN> then it's a v1
01.57.41 #       <midknight2k3> back in a bit
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01.57.51 #       <Bluechip> sorry - my mistake
01.57.51 #       <DJBaz> ah kk
01.58.00 #       <DJBaz> i want a v2
01.58.03 #       <DJBaz> lol
01.58.04 #       <LinusN> v2 looks like an fmr
01.58.05 #       <Bluechip> read nimh as lion :(
01.58.08 #       <DJBaz> does archos sell v2's?
01.58.24 #       <DJBaz> or were there only a few released?
01.58.37 #       <earHertz> They no longer show the FMR on their site
01.58.39 #       <Bluechip> the v1 is being phased out it would seem
01.58.45 #       <earHertz> or I couldn't find it
01.59.04 #       <earHertz> where's the V2 shown on their site?
01.59.11 #       <DJBaz> i love my v1
01.59.21 #       <DJBaz> had it for a few years, lovely :)
01.59.22 #       <earHertz> V1s are bulky
01.59.29 #       <earHertz> v2 are balky
01.59.42 #       <DJBaz> yeah there bulky
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01.59.59 #       <DJBaz> least i cant loose it in my pocket :p
02.00.07 #       <Bluechip> hate the thought of irreplacable batteries
02.00.14 #       <Bluechip> loss of digital io
02.00.16 #       <Bluechip> :(
02.00.41 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip u on about the iPOD?
02.00.49 #       <Bluechip> no v2 recorder
02.01.15 #       <DJBaz> oh
02.01.34 #       <DJBaz> v2 has no digoto i/o?
02.01.39 #       <DJBaz> *digital
02.01.49 #       <Bluechip> one of them is missing - dont recall which
02.01.57 #       <earHertz> digital out
02.02.38 #       <DJBaz> ah
02.03.16 #       <DJBaz> anyone noticed that the line in on the recorder creates some noise while recording?
02.05.39 #       <top_bloke> yeah i have
02.06.16 #       <DJBaz> good, its not just me then
02.06.45 #       <top_bloke> it was on a mic though
02.06.52 #       <top_bloke> and it was recodring HD sounds
02.07.25 #       <Bluechip> wonder if the internal mic is being fully off'ed
02.08.19 #       <top_bloke> mhhm
02.08.22 #       <top_bloke> yeah
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02.08.41 #       <DJBaz> off'ed?
02.09.11 #       <Bluechip> switched off (me typing lazy)
02.09.21 #       <DJBaz> ah heh
02.10.04 #       <DJBaz> it would cost to much to make the mic have a short pickup but that would still pick up the hdd sounds :S
02.10.34 #       <Bluechip> take a cold sample of hdd noise and remove after is my best solution
02.10.48 #       <top_bloke> how do u do that?
02.11.00 #       <Bluechip> record nothing
02.11.13 #       <Bluechip> then use the sample as a blueprint 
02.11.21 #       <top_bloke> blueprint?
02.11.27 #       <Bluechip> and use sonic foundry noise reduction to search the sample and remove it
02.11.32 #       <top_bloke> ok
02.11.44 #       <DJBaz> but hdd noise differs
02.11.51 #       <DJBaz> lol
02.12.00 #       <Bluechip> if you want perfection you need to use an external mic
02.12.02 #       <DJBaz> use an external mic
02.12.13 #       <Bluechip> use a high gain
02.12.23 #       <Bluechip> balance the feeds
02.12.29 #       <Bluechip> etc. ;)
02.12.36 #       <Bluechip> then record to DAT - LOL
02.12.37 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip u a sound engineer?
02.12.40 #       <Bluechip> indeed
02.12.44 #       <DJBaz> nice!
02.12.49 #       <DJBaz> im currently studdying ;)
02.13.05 #       <DJBaz> in my first year
02.13.28 #       <Bluechip> lucky bugger - i had to learn the hard way - lol
02.13.32 #       <DJBaz> hehe
02.13.52 #       <top_bloke> i did record off an ext mic and it had noise
02.14.02 #       <DJBaz> top_bloke mics pick up noise
02.14.13 #       <Bluechip> hdd noise u mean?
02.14.14 #       <top_bloke> the mic was like 5 feet away under a pillow
02.14.18 #       <top_bloke> yeah hd
02.14.20 #       <Bluechip> ahhhhhhhhhh
02.14.23 #       <DJBaz> lol
02.14.28 #       <DJBaz> change the input option?
02.14.33 #       <top_bloke> i tried everything w it
02.14.35 #       <Bluechip> noooo
02.14.51 #       <Bluechip> you recorded silence - the hdd noise would have a high db value
02.15.21 #       <Bluechip> although it still should not happen
02.15.28 #       <Bluechip> hence my comment about the switching
02.15.37 #       <Bluechip> take a butchers at the code
02.15.38 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip wouldnt that depend on the pickup pattern?
02.15.46 #       <DJBaz> or is it a software thing?
02.15.48 #       <Bluechip> there may be a typo or silly mistake
02.16.04 #       <Bluechip> you could be getting a noise feed down the cable
02.16.29 #       <DJBaz> top_bloke get an ADAT :)
02.16.30 #       <top_bloke> yeah
02.16.38 #       <Bluechip> if the hdd fluctuates the reference voltage - that might not be nice
02.16.47 #       <top_bloke> i spliced the calbles myself to an 1/8 plug
02.17.02 #       <Bluechip> balance the cable
02.17.59 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip, do u work for a studio?
02.18.04 #       <Bluechip> no
02.18.15 #       <DJBaz> oh
02.18.19 #       <DJBaz> what sector do you work in?
02.18.21 #       <top_bloke> how do u balance a cable?
02.18.25 #       <top_bloke> put it on a scale
02.18.26 #       <top_bloke> ?
02.18.33 #       <DJBaz> rofl
02.18.34 #       <Bluechip> two feeds, one inverted
02.18.34 #       <top_bloke> <rimshot>
02.18.35 #       <earHertz> Bluechip, an MTV dancer
02.18.43 #       <Bluechip> damn -foiled again
02.18.48 #       <DJBaz> hehe
02.18.53 #       <top_bloke> ?
02.19.02 #       <top_bloke> out of phase?
02.19.23 #       <DJBaz> this is taken me back to class :|
02.19.24 #       <Bluechip> yes, then you can invert one and add it to the other to remove the inteference
02.19.25 #       <DJBaz> lol
02.19.39 #       <top_bloke> ok 
02.19.52 #       <top_bloke> since its 2 seperate mics now
02.19.58 #       <top_bloke> one for each channel
02.20.10 #       <top_bloke> so u mean put them both on one>?
02.20.29 Part    arspy87
02.21.01 #       <Bluechip> ___---"""---___ and """---___---"""   +  ^  => ___---"^"---___ and """---_^_---"""
02.21.09 #       <top_bloke> uhhhhh
02.21.15 #       <Bluechip> sine waves
02.21.26 #       <top_bloke> ok
02.21.28 #       <DJBaz> just phase out the noise
02.21.37 #       <Bluechip> the noise is IN PHASE
02.21.44 #       <top_bloke> but 2 mics are connected to a mono channel right?
02.21.49 #       <DJBaz> ive been trying to do that with my hi fi speakers but cant do it :(
02.21.57 #       <Sebulba02> Aww, no tan waves? :)
02.21.57 #       <Bluechip> yes, one mic - one normal feed, one inverted feed
02.22.03 #       <DJBaz> why 2 mics on a mono channel?
02.22.03 #       <top_bloke> ok got it
02.22.11 #       <top_bloke> thats what he says to do
02.22.15 #       <DJBaz> kk
02.22.21 #       <top_bloke> to cancel the noise
02.22.24 #       <Bluechip> baz: place a third speaker between the two outs :)
02.22.37 #       <Bluechip> or is that not what you mean?
02.23.08 #       <top_bloke> ??
02.23.12 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip u on about phasing, 180 degres apart so each sine wave cancels each other out so no 'sound' is audible?
02.23.23 #       <Bluechip> you really need to do it BEFORE the power amp
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02.23.46 #       <Bluechip> any op-amp chip will give you an inverted and non-inverted feed
02.24.16 #       <DJBaz> what
02.24.28 #       <earHertz> where are the pics of the xclef internals/
02.24.30 #       <earHertz> ?
02.24.33 #       <DJBaz> wait i mean lol
02.24.37 #       <top_bloke> cant u just switch the speaker wire
02.24.41 #       <DJBaz> i am right about phasing?
02.24.45 #       <top_bloke> red to black and vice versa
02.24.55 #       <DJBaz> as in being out of phase?
02.25.05 #       <Bluechip> yeiurgh - put one speaker out of phase and walk around the room - LOL
02.25.16 #       <top_bloke> what happens?
02.25.19 #       <DJBaz> nothing
02.25.21 #       <DJBaz> ;)
02.25.25 #       <top_bloke> ?
02.25.35 #       <DJBaz> u shouldnt hear anything
02.25.35 #       <Bluechip> there are loads of really weird dead spots in the room
02.25.43 #       <top_bloke> wow
02.25.50 #       <Bluechip> the vocals will keep disappearing and stuff
02.25.58 #       <top_bloke> will just connecting a speaker backwards work?
02.25.59 #       <Bluechip> try it in your car for the full head-fk effect
02.26.10 #       <Bluechip> yep
02.26.11 #       <DJBaz> i can never get phasing to work in here
02.27.54 #       <top_bloke> if 2 speakers play the same thing out of phase next to each other, will you hear anything?
02.28.06 #       <DJBaz> nope
02.28.21 #       <Bluechip> you must play same thing in both speakers and put your head in the middle
02.28.29 #       <top_bloke> cool
02.28.30 #       <Bluechip> MONO only
02.28.38 #       <top_bloke> yeah
02.28.50 #       <Bluechip> although, this is how the karaoke function works on the jukebo
02.28.51 #       <Bluechip> x
02.29.00 #       <Bluechip> vocals are in mono
02.29.02 #       <top_bloke> with a stereo signal
02.29.03 #       <Bluechip> :)
02.29.09 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip thats where ive went wrong... ill stick ma head inbetween em 2morow
02.29.21 #       <DJBaz> lol
02.29.23 #       <top_bloke> so you dont hear whats the same on both channels
02.29.24 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.29.29 #       <Bluechip> indeed
02.29.34 #       <DJBaz> nope, neat huh
02.29.44 #       <top_bloke> yeah
02.29.47 #       <DJBaz> its like 1 + 1 = 0
02.29.54 #       <top_bloke> uh
02.29.57 #       <Bluechip> whan I get the sim working, i will plan to update the rockbox audio features so you can play with all this
02.30.07 #       <Bluechip> no, 1 + (-1) = 0
02.30.09 #       <top_bloke> isnt it like 1 + -1 = 0?
02.30.14 #       <Bluechip> one of the numbers is inverted
02.30.19 #       <DJBaz> well u knew what i meant
02.30.19 #       <DJBaz> :P
02.30.20 #       <top_bloke> caus its the opposite
02.30.22 #       <top_bloke> yeah
02.30.24 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.30.37 #       <DJBaz> am only young :P
02.31.06 #       <DJBaz> *looks at all the gray haired ppl in here*
02.31.07 #       <DJBaz> ;)
02.31.13 #       <DJBaz> *grey
02.31.25 #       <Bluechip> gree in scotland
02.31.26 #       <earHertz> stuff it, junior
02.31.28 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.31.38 #       <Bluechip> oh, leave the pet alone ;)
02.31.40 #       <top_bloke> lol
02.31.42 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.31.47 #       <DJBaz> lol
02.31.52 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip how do u know i live in scotland?
02.32.05 #       <Bluechip> ermmmmm
02.32.20 #       <earHertz> the smell?
02.32.26 #       <DJBaz> earHertz fu
02.32.33 #       <DJBaz> :|
02.32.57 #       <DJBaz> Bluechip ... :p
02.35.32 #       <Bluechip> anybody here any cop with makefiles?
02.35.40 #       <Bluechip> they send me blind
02.36.10 #       <Sebulba02> I've done some makefile hacking
02.36.28 #       <Bluechip> one mo ...just found another candidate
02.37.19 #       <DJBaz> im knackered, gonna go
02.37.20 #       <DJBaz> cya
02.37.30 #       <Bluechip> nite dude
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02.38.30 #       <Bluechip> ahh, found what I was looking for, but it just blows up now - well at least I am closer to the real problem now - but cheers seb
02.39.03 #       <Sebulba02> heh
02.39.29 #       <Bluechip> sods law - like asking where the cheese is n Tesco JUST at the moment you are standing next to it
02.40.07 #       <Sebulba02> mmm... cheese
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02.41.14 #       <midknight2k3> hi
02.41.39 #       <top_bloke> yo
02.42.21 #       <Sebulba02> sup
02.42.33 #       <midknight2k3> i feel so important
02.42.51 #       <top_bloke> well youre not
02.42.54 #       <Sebulba02> lol
02.42.57 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.42.57 #       <top_bloke> nah j/k
02.43.01 #       <midknight2k3> thanks toop
02.43.13 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
02.43.28 #       <Bluechip> does that stand for something?
02.43.39 #       <midknight2k3> Stupid Dumb Dumbhead
02.43.46 #       <Bluechip> lovely!
02.43.47 #       <midknight2k3> nah, just random chars
02.43.52 #       <midknight2k3> sdd, asdf, and dfad
02.43.52 #       <top_bloke> lol
02.43.55 #       <midknight2k3> afe favorites
02.44.14 #       <Bluechip> guitar going well?
02.44.28 #       <midknight2k3> ?
02.45.34 #       <top_bloke> did u know the archos can act as a mini guitar amp?
02.45.46 #       <Bluechip> cool huh :)
02.45.51 #       <top_bloke> yeah
02.45.53 #       <midknight2k3> gotta get off irc for a few mins
02.45.53 #       <midknight2k3> bye
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02.45.57 #       <Bluechip> or hearing aid?
02.46.02 #       <top_bloke> i've plugged mine in directly into it
02.46.05 #       <Bluechip> out with the parabolics :)
02.46.09 #       <top_bloke> and NO noise while recoring
02.46.29 #       <Bluechip> could be an earthing issue then
02.46.31 #       <top_bloke> and good volume too
02.46.54 #       <top_bloke> just needs some distortion
02.47.05 #       <top_bloke> and maybe reverb and it would be sweet
02.47.31 #       <Bluechip> must get wav codec to work .... new problems have arisen it would seem :(
02.47.53 #       <top_bloke> can u make a distortion feature for rockbox?
02.48.15 #       <Bluechip> if we manage to get it processing PCM signals
02.48.23 #       <Bluechip> low quality though
02.48.33 #       <top_bloke> u workin on that?
02.48.47 #       <Bluechip> with others
02.48.56 #       <top_bloke> cool
02.49.52 #       <Bluechip> but it is seeming more like the "dev kit" (for lck of a better term) we have may be insufficient
02.50.15 #       <top_bloke> boo
02.50.34 #       <Bluechip> feel free to ask around in case you have friends who can help
02.50.49 #       <top_bloke> hiss
02.51.33 #       <Bluechip> brb
02.52.44 #       <Bluechip> k
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03.11.03 #       <Sebulba02> true dat
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04.07.45 #       <Sebulba02> wee
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04.08.20 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
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04.09.42 #       <Bluechip> wtf
04.09.52 #       <Sebulba02> netsplits
04.10.00 #       <Sebulba02> network is having serious issues
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04.10.38 #       <Sebulba02> this is usually around the time where a message is sent from a server admin..
04.11.24 #       <midknight2k3> yes
04.11.38 #       <Sebulba02> didn't get one..
04.11.46 #       <Bluechip> miserable git - lol
04.11.49 #       <midknight2k3> me either
04.11.55 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
04.11.57 #       <Sebulba02> ah
04.11.59 #       <Sebulba02> there it is
04.12.33 #       <Bluechip> think i blinked
04.12.48 #       <Sebulba02> ?
04.12.55 #       <Bluechip> where it is?
04.13.12 #       <Sebulba02> (22:11:48) dmwaters: (notice) {global notice} Hi all, we seem to be having some problems with european hubbing. I'm working on the problem right now, and I should have things back to normal in a minute
04.13.21 #       <Sebulba02> Do you not have wallops enabled?
04.13.31 #       <Bluechip> LOL - sounds rude
04.13.48 #       <Bluechip> no, im a very basic chat room guy - trillian
04.13.56 #       <Sebulba02> I'm using gaim :)
04.14.03 #       <midknight2k3> mirc
04.14.05 #       <Sebulba02> I still got it
04.14.06 #       <midknight2k3> usually xchat
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04.14.19 #       <arspy87> hey
04.14.32 #       <Bluechip> trillis not a good IRC client - but it serves my purposes
04.14.45 #       <midknight2k3> tell that to arspy87
04.14.50 #       <midknight2k3> he loves trillian
04.14.53 #       <midknight2k3> with his heart
04.15.12 #       <Bluechip> i love it anally, but it's irc lacks
04.15.19 #       <Bluechip> ..the features i never use
04.15.27 #       <midknight2k3> a bit more info then i needed
04.15.39 #       <Sebulba02> I agree with you for once midknight2k3
04.15.39 #       <midknight2k3> what features
04.15.48 #       <midknight2k3> lol
04.15.48 #       <Bluechip> had a special "user port" installed jsut for the purpose
04.16.03 #       <Bluechip> round the back, near the fan (for vibration)
04.16.16 #       <midknight2k3> er
04.16.33 #       <midknight2k3> right. anyways...
04.16.34 #       <Bluechip> Sandra Dickenson is cute :)
04.17.38 #       <Sebulba02> ah
04.17.42 #       <Sebulba02> now it all makes sense
04.17.46 #       <Bluechip> ;)
04.18.00 #       <Bluechip> there's them that know, and them that need's to ask - lol
04.18.05 #       <Sebulba02> no pictures yet though, but I get the context
04.18.32 #       <Sebulba02> & you misspeleed it :P
04.18.39 #       <Bluechip> oh yes, whoops
04.18.45 #       <Bluechip> DickInson??
04.18.48 #       <midknight2k3> yes
04.18.50 #       <Sebulba02> yeah
04.18.55 #       <midknight2k3> you misspeleed it bluechip!
04.19.02 #       <midknight2k3> shame on you
04.19.06 #       <Bluechip> :(
04.19.16 #       <midknight2k3> misspeleer
04.19.17 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04.19.17 #       * Bluechip crawls off under his desk to a hole
04.19.32 #       <midknight2k3> a hole that's near the fan
04.19.35 #       <midknight2k3> for vibration
04.19.41 #       <Bluechip> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
04.19.54 #       <Bluechip> must change that bag
04.20.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
04.20.28 #       <midknight2k3> lol
04.21.02 #       <Bluechip> acccount managment on trill irc sucks
04.21.32 #       <Bluechip> WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO
04.21.38 #       <Sebulba02> I stopped using trillian when gaim for win32 became not-too-horribly-unstable
04.21.42 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip must be tired
04.21.46 #       <Bluechip> next sim bug gone :)
04.22.06 #       <Sebulba02> well, its what.. 3:30am there?
04.22.15 #       <Bluechip> 3:22
04.22.16 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip: btw, thx for sim fix i hope it gets merged
04.22.20 #       <Sebulba02> close enough
04.22.34 #       <midknight2k3> 7:22 here
04.22.35 #       <midknight2k3> pm
04.22.43 #       <Bluechip> i submitted the first patch last night
04.22.51 #       <Bluechip> where r u?
04.22.54 #       <Bluechip> 07:22?
04.23.12 #       <midknight2k3> nm
04.23.16 #       <midknight2k3> er
04.23.20 #       * midknight2k3 calculates
04.23.24 #       <midknight2k3> 19:22
04.23.25 #       <Sebulba02> Hes PST
04.23.36 #       <Bluechip> P?
04.23.37 #       <midknight2k3> Hes is in the room, yes
04.23.49 #       <midknight2k3> indeed
04.23.52 #       <Sebulba02> yeah, 3 behind me.. i'm EST
04.24.05 #       <midknight2k3> SORRY SeBuLBa
04.24.07 #       <Bluechip> Eastern and Postulate?
04.24.11 #       <Sebulba02> Pacific
04.24.16 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
04.24.16 #       <Bluechip> ahaaaa
04.24.28 #       <Sebulba02> Pacific-Mountain-Central-Eastern
04.24.53 #       <Sebulba02> Why it couldn't be Western, is beyond me
04.25.05 #       <Bluechip> they need pacifying
04.25.12 #       <Bluechip> :P
04.25.18 #       <Sebulba02> heh
04.25.56 #       <midknight2k3> lol
04.26.00 #       <arspy87> the people in the pacific like california are so much less crazy and violent than easterners who are always rushing
04.26.02 #       <Sebulba02> Or maybe MDT, but I really don't want to get into that.
04.26.35 #       <Bluechip> Madeup Dumbass Time (qv. sdd)
04.26.38 #       <Sebulba02> Damn time changes every 6 months sucks hardcore.
04.26.40 #       <Bluechip> lol
04.26.47 #       <arspy87> lmao
04.26.51 #       <Sebulba02> heh
04.27.08 #       <arspy87> northeasterners need their own time zone
04.27.23 #       <Sebulba02> I'm in the SE
04.27.26 #       <arspy87> i have no idea why though
04.27.32 #       <top_bloke> lol - Madeup Dumbass Time
04.27.37 #       <top_bloke> thats gold
04.27.49 #       <midknight2k3> uh
04.27.53 #       <top_bloke> GOLD
04.27.54 #       <midknight2k3> anyways...
04.28.00 #       <arspy87> ha
04.28.01 #       <arspy87> funny
04.28.03 #       <arspy87> MDT
04.28.04 #       <midknight2k3> that's bronze
04.28.07 #       <midknight2k3> not gold
04.28.10 #       <top_bloke> GOLD
04.28.15 #       <midknight2k3> BRONZE
04.28.16 #       <arspy87> i think its platinum
04.28.22 #       <midknight2k3> BRONZE!!!!!
04.28.26 #       <top_bloke> is that better than gold?
04.28.29 #       <midknight2k3> no.
04.28.40 #       <top_bloke> platinum that is
04.28.42 #       <arspy87> platinum
04.28.42 #       <Sebulba02> Platinum is better than gold
04.28.43 #       <arspy87> sure it is
04.28.46 #       <arspy87> like platinum sales
04.28.50 #       <top_bloke> PLATINUM
04.29.05 #       <top_bloke> its more expensive
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04.29.24 #       <arspy87> gold is boring and typical
04.29.27 #       <arspy87> platinum is shiny
04.29.42 #       <Sebulba02> so is a giant diamond
04.30.01 #       <arspy87> ok so i think MDT is diamond
04.30.04 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
04.30.05 #       <Sebulba02> but thats a stone and you all seem into medals
04.30.06 #       <midknight2k3> shh*
04.30.13 #       <arspy87> true.
04.30.16 #       <midknight2k3> im so used to sdd that i meant to say shh but i said sdd
04.30.16 #       <Sebulba02> metals*
04.30.28 #       <arspy87> lol nidk
04.30.31 #       <arspy87> midk*
04.30.43 #       <midknight2k3> nOOOOOOOOOO
04.31.12 #       <arspy87> ?
04.31.43 #       <Bluechip> hmmm - now to get bass & loundness looking better
04.31.45 #       <Sebulba02> Hes probably just losing it again for the night.
04.31.52 #       <midknight2k3> SDD
04.34.01 #       <arspy87> Seb: i'm also losing it, lol
04.34.53 #       <midknight2k3> sebULBA
04.35.00 #       <Sebulba02> heh
04.35.05 #       <midknight2k3> sebulba: did you used to be "seb"?
04.35.10 #       <midknight2k3> seb|sleep, etc?
04.35.20 #       <Sebulba02> are you all really that lazy to type a few letters than push tab?
04.35.32 #       <Sebulba02> Err, don't think so.
04.35.33 #       <midknight2k3> he doesnt know the tab trick
04.36.03 #       * Sebulba02 can't live witout tab completion.
04.36.07 #       <midknight2k3> as: try typing the first 2 letters of name and then pushing tab
04.36.13 #       <midknight2k3> it fills it in
04.36.21 #       <midknight2k3> if its not the right one push tab again until it is
04.36.37 #       <midknight2k3> for example: i put the following:   as <tab> <enter>
04.36.38 #       <Bluechip> lol - mk, last time you call me "chip" :P 
04.36.41 #       <midknight2k3> results in
04.36.43 #       <midknight2k3> as
04.36.44 #       <midknight2k3> er
04.36.46 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
04.36.56 #       <midknight2k3> make that    ar<tab><enter>
04.36.58 #       <midknight2k3> arspy87
04.37.02 #       <Bluechip> i think it is more personal
04.37.11 #       <midknight2k3> i like calling you chip
04.37.12 #       * Sebulba02 shrugs
04.37.49 #       <Bluechip> I used to have a close friend who we all called seb(by) - so if I use seb I immediately feel a bond and have a good grounding for positive communication
04.38.16 #       <Sebulba02> I see.
04.38.30 #       <Bluechip> little psychology trick
04.38.35 #       <midknight2k3> liol
04.38.56 #       <Sebulba02> Whatever it takes [tm]
04.39.55 #       <Bluechip> thin John Lennon beat you to that one ;)
04.40.16 #       <Sebulba02> heh
04.45.21 #       <Bluechip> so mk, you got that dev kit going yet?
04.45.26 #       <midknight2k3> no
04.45.28 #       <midknight2k3> i hate cygwin
04.45.33 #       <Bluechip> offer's still open 
04.45.49 #       <Sebulba02> Nothings a substitute for a good linux environment
04.45.52 #       <Bluechip> it's not perfect, but it works
04.45.53 #       <midknight2k3> oh bc?
04.46.22 #       <Sebulba02> I still think you should add vim :)
04.46.38 #       <Bluechip> how big is it?
04.46.44 #       <midknight2k3> :}
04.46.49 #       <Sebulba02> beats me
04.46.51 #       <Bluechip> lol
04.46.56 #       <Sebulba02> can't be that big
04.46.56 #       <LinusN> 100k or so
04.47.03 #       <midknight2k3> hrm hrm hrm
04.47.04 #       <Bluechip> hmmm
04.47.10 #       <midknight2k3> bc: what is the offer
04.47.13 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip that is
04.47.16 #       <Bluechip> a working dev kit
04.47.23 #       <midknight2k3> where
04.47.27 #       <Bluechip> on my hdd
04.47.37 #       <Bluechip> ...until roland and I get it perfect
04.47.45 #       <midknight2k3> i want to simply wipe out cygwin and reinstall it but it wont let me
04.47.51 #       <midknight2k3> "access denied" again
04.47.59 #       <Bluechip> need his help but i think he must be away
04.48.08 #       <Bluechip> can't erase the directory?
04.48.11 #       <midknight2k3> hes on the mailinglist often
04.48.13 #       <midknight2k3> right, bc
04.48.16 #       <Bluechip> is there no uninstall
04.48.21 #       <midknight2k3> is there a force delete?
04.48.24 #       <midknight2k3> i dont think so, no
04.48.29 #       <Bluechip> not that i know of
04.48.34 #       <Sebulba02> format <drive> :)
04.48.35 #       <midknight2k3> cant you do a force delete at the command prompt or something
04.48.37 #       <Bluechip> lol
04.48.39 #       <midknight2k3> NO THANKS Seb
04.48.51 #       <Bluechip> does a reboot and then delete dir not work
04.48.55 #       <Bluechip> do you need admin privs?
04.48.56 #       <Sebulba02> deltree
04.49.03 #       <Bluechip> that's a thought
04.49.06 #       <Sebulba02> do you have it, is the question
04.49.08 #       <midknight2k3> how does it work
04.49.14 #       <midknight2k3> i used it once before
04.49.15 #       <Bluechip> WITH CARE
04.49.18 #       <midknight2k3> never wored right
04.49.27 #       <midknight2k3> i deleted c:\windows with it
04.49.31 #       <midknight2k3> it was an accident
04.49.33 #       <Sebulba02> gotta be careful
04.49.33 #       <Bluechip> WITH CARE
04.49.38 #       <Bluechip> lol
04.49.44 #       <midknight2k3> how is it used
04.49.51 #       <Bluechip> i did rm -r * in root once
04.50.00 #       <midknight2k3> -r?
04.50.01 #       <Sebulba02>  in / or /root ?
04.50.01 #       <Bluechip> "anf there was naught"
04.50.02 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
04.50.12 #       <Sebulba02> ah, /
04.50.15 #       <Bluechip> took THE LOT
04.50.20 #       <midknight2k3> really
04.50.25 #       <midknight2k3> what happened
04.50.25 #       <Bluechip> honest
04.50.31 #       <Sebulba02> until you rm 'rm' then you can't 'rm' anymore.
04.50.31 #       <Bluechip> thought I was in another dir
04.50.46 #       <LinusN> gotta sleep, nite all!
04.50.48 #       <midknight2k3> bye
04.50.50 #       <Sebulba02> 'night
04.50.51 #       <Bluechip> nite linus
04.50.51 #       <midknight2k3> bye bye
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04.51.08 #       <midknight2k3> seb
04.51.10 #       <midknight2k3> bc
04.51.11 #       <midknight2k3> help
04.51.13 #       <midknight2k3> how cna i do this
04.51.17 #       <midknight2k3> i need to delete c cygwin
04.51.22 #       <midknight2k3> rm? deltree?
04.51.27 #       <Bluechip> reboot with admin privs will remain my suggestion
04.51.32 #       <Sebulba02> first of all, are you an admin?
04.51.36 #       <Bluechip> ...unles it fails
04.51.37 #       <midknight2k3> its ... yes
04.51.51 #       <midknight2k3> i think its cause its in use it says
04.52.02 #       <Sebulba02> open up the task manager and kill it
04.52.17 #       <midknight2k3> kill what exactly?
04.52.22 #       <midknight2k3> HH
04.52.23 #       <Sebulba02> cygwin
04.52.24 #       <midknight2k3> AHH*
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04.52.28 #       <Bluechip> anything that starts "cyg"
04.52.33 #       <midknight2k3> bash.exe
04.52.37 #       <Sebulba02> heh
04.52.39 #       <Sebulba02> that too
04.52.50 #       <midknight2k3> er
04.52.52 #       <midknight2k3> cygpath.exe
04.53.01 #       <midknight2k3> shut off 3 things
04.53.03 #       <midknight2k3> now to test
04.53.11 #       <midknight2k3> IT WORKS
04.53.13 #       <midknight2k3> thanks guys
04.53.40 #       <Bluechip> np
04.54.15 #       <top_bloke> gotta roll
04.54.19 #       <Bluechip> nitey
04.54.22 #       <midknight2k3> night toopy
04.54.26 #       <top_bloke> night
04.54.30 #       <top_bloke> bye
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04.54.37 #       <midknight2k3> :D
04.56.50 #       <midknight2k3> back in 10-15
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05.12.44 #       <Sebulba02> uh, that was more than 10-15 mins :)
05.12.50 #       <ILuvit> Hi guys
05.12.53 #       <midknight2k3> was ut>
05.12.55 #       <Sebulba02> 'evening
05.13.01 #       <midknight2k3> just 17
05.13.06 #       <midknight2k3> watching some core clips
05.13.08 #       <midknight2k3> hi seb
05.13.52 #       <Bluechip> wanna use my computer?
05.14.03 #       <midknight2k3> me
05.14.04 #       <midknight2k3> yes
05.14.07 #       <midknight2k3> grr
05.14.12 #       <midknight2k3> i cant delete "home"
05.14.16 #       <midknight2k3> any ideas
05.14.47 #       <Bluechip> its probably  a mount point - look in the registry
05.14.56 #       <ILuvit>  i got the FM recorder is there still a problem with charging after flashing?
05.15.10 #       <midknight2k3> ?
05.15.10 #       <Bluechip> :X
05.15.12 #       <midknight2k3> bc>
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05.15.16 #       <midknight2k3> ILuvit: no
05.15.23 #       <midknight2k3> wanting to flash?
05.15.32 #       <Bluechip> you cannot remove cygwin from within bash
05.15.41 #       <midknight2k3> no
05.15.46 #       <midknight2k3> just in win explorer
05.16.00 #       <Bluechip> all cygwin stuff hut down?
05.16.10 #       <midknight2k3> i think so yes
05.16.46 #       <Bluechip> and the precise windows error?
05.17.03 #       <Sebulba02> PEBCAK
05.17.16 #       <midknight2k3> access is denied, and "cannot delete alarm_menu.c: Make sure the disk is not write-protected or full, and that the source file is not in use."
05.17.25 #       <midknight2k3> PEBCAK?
05.17.27 #       <Bluechip> close your editor
05.17.32 #       <midknight2k3> not open
05.17.36 #       <midknight2k3> is, but no files open in it
05.17.42 #       <Sebulba02> check to make sure everything is closed
05.17.49 #       <Bluechip> seb: you could be right
05.17.49 #       <midknight2k3> what is "everything"?
05.17.58 #       <Bluechip> what is open?
05.18.00 #       <Bluechip> close it!
05.18.13 #       <midknight2k3> editor closed
05.18.16 #       <Stevenm> Hey guys. Is there a way to boot into the original BIOS (not into Rockbox) by doing something at the startup screen?
05.18.24 #       <midknight2k3> yes
05.18.26 #       <midknight2k3> f1+on
05.18.33 #       <Stevenm> thank you.
05.18.35 #       <midknight2k3> if you've flashed you mean?
05.18.40 #       <Stevenm> no, if I have not
05.18.41 #       <midknight2k3> bc: won't work
05.18.43 #       <midknight2k3> oh
05.18.46 #       <midknight2k3> remove ajbrec.ajz
05.18.47 #       <midknight2k3> is all
05.18.56 #       * midknight2k3 recommends flashing
05.19.02 #       <Stevenm> midknight2k3: I have had this problem earlier today:
05.19.13 #       <Stevenm> For some reason my device started mounting read-only
05.19.20 #       <Sebulba02> heh
05.19.22 #       <midknight2k3> odd
05.19.23 #       <Stevenm> and I could not delete ANYTHING or even create directories
05.19.27 #       <Sebulba02> been there, done that
05.19.44 #       <midknight2k3> ill hafta reboot to delete the stuff
05.19.47 #       <midknight2k3> so i'll brb all
05.19.48 #       <Stevenm> I had to boot into Windows (yyyeeeuuuoooggghh) and have to delete rockbox, and reinstall
05.19.54 #       <Sebulba02> you didn't unmount it properly
05.20.00 #       <midknight2k3> back in a sec all
05.20.13 #       <Stevenm> I did, unmounted, powered down both PC and recorder, remounted
05.20.23 #       <Stevenm> I'm on linux by the way, kernel ver 2.6
05.20.41 #       <Sebulba02> is it as nice as I've heard?
05.20.51 #       <Stevenm> I would guess so
05.20.56 #       <Stevenm> Its... kernellicious
05.21.15 #       <Sebulba02> man, wish it weren't such a PITA to upgrade this machine
05.21.25 #       <Stevenm> its so FAST. so nice. so free-of-supposedly-SCO's code
05.21.31 #       <Sebulba02> heh
05.21.55 #       <Stevenm> although I dont believe a word of it. Besides, Sco took Samba code that was written by Dennis Richie back 20 years ago or something
05.22.13 #       <Sebulba02> Its all nonsense
05.22.20 #       <Stevenm> yes
05.22.38 #       <Stevenm> Su.. tell em about flashing. Recommend? No? PITA?How risky?
05.22.49 #       <Sebulba02> No clue, never done it.
05.22.59 #       <Sebulba02> There should be docs about it though, I imagine.
05.23.44 #       <Bluechip> the risk is as small as possible - machine were lost in the VERY early beta days - but afaik none since all the abisuve error checking was added
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05.24.25 #       <Bluechip> actually I think one guy said online recently he flashed the wrong code in somehow - thought it was not possible
05.24.26 #       <midk2k3> back
05.24.28 #       <Stevenm> What's the deal with 1 or 2 slots?
05.24.48 #       <Bluechip> the flash chip is twice as big as required
05.24.56 #       <Bluechip> can have two firmwares if you like
05.25.06 #       <Sebulba02> heh
05.25.12 #       <midk2k3> ITS STILL NOT WORKING
05.25.24 #       <midk2k3> i guess i have to go into safe mode and then as an administrator
05.25.26 #       <midk2k3> may work
05.25.27 #       <Bluechip> does xp have "safe mode"?
05.25.31 #       <midk2k3> or just safe mode altogether
05.25.32 #       <midk2k3> yes
05.25.40 #       <midk2k3> ill try it. back in a few mins
05.25.46 #       <Bluechip> yeah - that'll fix it - safe mode admin privs - goodnight PITA dir
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05.28.56 Quit    midknight2k3 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
05.28.56 Quit    midk2k3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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05.36.05 #       <midknight2k3> no go
05.36.12 #       <midknight2k3> *stumped*
05.36.57 #       <Sebulba02> same error?
05.37.03 #       <midknight2k3> yupxors
05.37.04 #       <Bluechip> maybe sysinternals.com have a util?
05.37.09 #       <midknight2k3> maybe i could reboot to other drive
05.37.13 #       <midknight2k3> so nothing would be accessing it
05.37.28 #       <Sebulba02> boot to a floppy
05.37.31 #       <Bluechip> safe mode admin privs - cannot erase file -VERY suspect
05.37.33 #       <midknight2k3> no
05.37.34 #       <midknight2k3> boot to other drive
05.37.39 #       <midknight2k3> very very
05.37.44 #       <midknight2k3> maybe something on startup
05.37.50 #       <midknight2k3> i could boot to d:\ drive and delete it maybe
05.37.53 #       <Bluechip> check the reg keys
05.38.01 #       <midknight2k3> where and what
05.38.07 #       <Sebulba02> shouldn't they be gone?
05.38.07 #       <Bluechip> if d is bootable, yeah, why not
05.38.22 #       <midknight2k3> its bootable
05.38.24 #       <midknight2k3> last attempt
05.38.30 #       <midknight2k3> ill boot to d:\ - brb
05.38.31 #       <Bluechip> run, runonce, etc
05.38.46 #       <midknight2k3> ill be back for the last time
05.38.53 #       <Bluechip> apparently cygwin does not have an uninstaler
05.39.19 #       <Sebulba02> I thought it did.
05.39.24 #       <Bluechip> meh
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05.39.33 #       <Bluechip> just repeating mk
05.40.05 #       <Sebulba02> Actually, I'm sure it did.  How else did I remove it when I tried it?
05.40.13 #       <Bluechip> PEBCAK?
05.40.20 #       <Sebulba02> Sounds like it.
05.42.01 #       <Sebulba02> Maybe he shoulda read this: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19
05.42.19 #       <Sebulba02> Apparently no uninstaller, my bad.
05.42.37 #       <Bluechip> lol - ur thinking of MY cygwin install :D
05.42.46 #       <Sebulba02> No
05.42.52 #       <Sebulba02> I tried cygwin a long time ago
05.43.02 #       <Bluechip> joking
05.43.04 #       <Sebulba02> I coulda sworn it had an uninstaller
05.43.07 #       <Bluechip> being smug
05.43.12 #       * Sebulba02 shrugs
05.44.13 #       <Sebulba02> Probably didn't delete the registry items and its still hanging onto it.
05.44.28 #       <Bluechip> cgwin does weird stiff like that
05.44.38 #       <Sebulba02> Not to mention being weird itself.
05.45.23 #       <Sebulba02> I'll just install debian on every machine I want a real OS on :)
05.46.31 #       <Sebulba02> Oh no, were at terror alert level orange.. what ever that means.
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05.47.38 #       <midknight2k3> .
05.47.51 #       <midknight2k3>  .
05.47.54 #       <midknight2k3> . .
05.48.00 #       <midknight2k3>   .
05.48.03 #       <midknight2k3>  . .
05.48.05 #       <midknight2k3> .   .
05.48.07 #       <midknight2k3>  . .
05.48.10 #       <midknight2k3>   .
05.48.12 #       <Sebulba02> you need help
05.48.16 #       <midknight2k3> i do
05.48.18 #       <midknight2k3> it wont delete
05.48.27 #       <Bluechip> plz remind me how to pipe stderr to the file with stdout :)
05.48.36 #       <midknight2k3> HELP
05.48.40 #       <midknight2k3> ITS NOT DELETING
05.48.47 #       <Bluechip> sysinternals.com
05.48.49 #       <Sebulba02> read this
05.48.53 #       <midknight2k3> ?
05.48.58 #       <Sebulba02> http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19
05.49.15 #       <Sebulba02> How to pipe stderr to a file with stdout?
05.49.40 #       <Sebulba02> ./whatever > file 1>&2
05.49.44 #       <Sebulba02> I think
05.49.59 #       <Bluechip> nope :(
05.50.04 #       <Sebulba02> its backwards
05.50.07 #       <Sebulba02> switch the 2 & 1
05.50.29 #       <Bluechip> thanks mate
05.50.34 #       <Sebulba02> np
05.50.40 #       <midknight2k3> er
05.50.44 #       <midknight2k3> deleted the registry keys
05.50.49 #       <midknight2k3> still cant get c:\cygwin gone
05.51.05 #       <Sebulba02> how about the rest of it, remove it from your path and all that crap?
05.51.05 #       <Bluechip> erase what you can and see whats left
05.51.31 #       <Sebulba02> yeah, be interesting to see what file its hanging onto
05.51.57 #       <midknight2k3> cant delete: home, rockbox, or usr
05.52.01 #       <Sebulba02> . midknight2k3 > /dev/null 2>&1
05.52.08 #       <midknight2k3> ?
05.52.17 #       <Sebulba02> nm
05.52.21 #       <midknight2k3> what what
05.52.40 #       <Sebulba02> what files in those dirs can't it delete?
05.52.46 #       <midknight2k3> anything
05.52.57 #       <midknight2k3> in home, all my rockbox stuff (starting with apps/alarm_menu.c)
05.53.12 #       <Bluechip> erase one file at a time
05.53.13 #       <midknight2k3> usr is working i think
05.53.15 #       <midknight2k3> wroking = going
05.53.19 #       <Sebulba02> uh, you killed bash already probably, right?
05.53.20 #       <midknight2k3> going = going away
05.53.22 #       <midknight2k3> right
05.53.32 #       <Sebulba02> guess checking permissions is out of the question
05.54.09 #       <midknight2k3> ok usr is out of the picture. nada anymore
05.55.02 #       <Sebulba02> home shouldn't have any issues
05.55.08 #       <midknight2k3> it dies.
05.55.10 #       <midknight2k3> does*
05.55.24 #       <Sebulba02> right click it and check the ownership
05.55.36 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bluechip
05.55.36 #       <Bluechip> 01[04:53] <Bluechip> erase one file at a time 
05.55.52 #       <Sebulba02> heh, yeah.. thats what it'll come down to
05.56.03 #       <midknight2k3> am doing the erase 1 at time
05.56.07 #       <Bluechip> cut the chase <shrugs>
05.56.27 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05.56.41 #       <Bluechip> should that be "cut TO the chase"?
05.56.47 #       <midknight2k3> yes.
05.56.49 #       <Sebulba02> yeah
05.59.35 #       <midknight2k3> ill try norton utilites
05.59.57 #       <Sebulba02> cat /dev/random > midknight2k3
06.00.08 #       <midknight2k3> WHAT AER YOU TALKING ABOUT!
06.00.30 #       <Bluechip> cat dog
06.00.42 #       <Sebulba02> man woman ;)
06.00.47 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.00.48 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.01.14 #       <midknight2k3> while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06.01.19 #       <Bluechip> I found (by obvious accident) "lsd" on the office box one day ...just said "wooooww maannn"
06.01.38 #       <Sebulba02> Damn
06.02.02 #       <Bluechip> and everybody denied responsibility
06.02.17 #       <Sebulba02> Of course.
06.02.27 #       <midknight2k3> man.
06.02.29 #       <midknight2k3> any other ideas
06.02.38 #       <Bluechip> what files are left?
06.02.40 #       <midknight2k3> ill just install cygwin and leave whatevers left
06.02.44 #       <midknight2k3> a bit of "usr"
06.02.47 #       <midknight2k3> and home and rockbox
06.02.49 #       <Sebulba02> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
06.02.54 #       <midknight2k3> STOP THAT
06.02.54 #       <Bluechip> that is NOT a file
06.03.02 #       <midknight2k3> sorry sir
06.03.08 #       <Sebulba02> yeah, what files are left?
06.03.19 #       <midknight2k3> dunn
06.03.22 #       <midknight2k3> dunno*
06.03.56 #       <midknight2k3> I DONT GET THIS1!!! GEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
06.04.10 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06.04.10 #       * Sebulba02 .oO( ? )
06.04.18 #       <midknight2k3> asdf
06.04.19 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
06.04.22 #       <midknight2k3> dfad
06.04.23 #       <midknight2k3> asdf
06.04.23 #       <midknight2k3> asfd
06.04.24 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
06.04.24 #       <midknight2k3> asdf
06.04.32 #       <Bluechip> dd </dev/nul >/dev/hda
06.04.38 #       <midknight2k3> STOP! THAT!!!!
06.04.43 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.04.44 #       <midknight2k3> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
06.04.57 #       <Bluechip> 01[05:02] <Bluechip> what files are left? 
06.05.04 #       <midknight2k3> SHUT UP
06.05.11 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06.05.11 #       * Sebulba02 yawns
06.05.13 #       <Bluechip> tis done
06.05.17 #       <midknight2k3> what
06.05.17 #       <midknight2k3> what
06.05.52 #       <midknight2k3> v hu /m.ihpou9[p
06.05.57 #       <midknight2k3> i almost said "ipod"
06.06.21 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip didnt you make othelo
06.06.33 #       <Bluechip> uh huh
06.06.41 #       <Sebulba02> spelled it wrong :P
06.06.49 #       <midknight2k3> no i didnt
06.06.56 #       <Sebulba02> othello
06.06.56 #       <midknight2k3> its not othello like most say
06.06.57 #       <midknight2k3> its othelo
06.06.58 #       <Bluechip> 2 L's is copyright
06.07.02 #       <midknight2k3> SEE
06.07.04 #       <midknight2k3> HA HA
06.07.06 #       <Sebulba02> Ah
06.07.06 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.07.11 #       <Bluechip> O'TH'EE'LOW
06.07.12 #       <midknight2k3> you made othelo bluechip?
06.07.30 #       <midknight2k3> was it hard to make bluechip
06.07.41 #       <Bluechip> not really
06.07.43 #       <Sebulba02> i bet the AI was the worst
06.07.44 #       <Bluechip> the ai was fun
06.07.49 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.08.07 #       <midknight2k3> but
06.08.16 #       <Sebulba02> I should get you to do the AI for my pacman.. ;)
06.08.19 #       <midknight2k3> why does it say CYBORG SYSTEMS ?
06.08.27 #       <midknight2k3> pacman? WHERE?!
06.08.39 #       <Sebulba02> My CVSROOT
06.08.44 #       <midknight2k3> I WANT TO TRY IT
06.08.50 #       <Sebulba02> good luck
06.09.06 #       <Sebulba02> In theory it could compile in windows
06.09.12 #       <Bluechip> take a best route line - then add random for how good they are - sounds simple - but you may be surprised
06.09.25 #       <Bluechip> decide length of travel before turn
06.09.28 #       <Sebulba02> I doubt it was simple.
06.09.34 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip: why does it say cyborg systems?
06.09.48 #       <Bluechip> did you rtfm?
06.09.54 #       <midknight2k3> there is no fm
06.10.00 #       <Bluechip> oh yes there is
06.10.03 #       <midknight2k3> i will then
06.10.03 #       <Bluechip> matey
06.10.16 #       <Bluechip> both in the source code and in the official manual
06.10.17 #       <Sebulba02> oh, for pacman... yeah, I was told to research the astar algorythm for it. Never got that far
06.10.28 #       <Bluechip> A* is real simple
06.10.29 #       <midknight2k3> http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/plugins/othelo.txt
06.10.45 #       <Bluechip> it's the one used by phone exchanges
06.10.55 #       <Sebulba02> really?
06.10.58 #       <midknight2k3> Greetz
06.10.58 #       <midknight2k3> ======
06.10.58 #       <midknight2k3> mk, pajaco, DevZer0, jzoss, LinusN, Zagor, Cyborg, Lord Grumble
06.10.58 #       <midknight2k3> Author
06.10.59 #       <Bluechip> but ovre the top for pacman - some uni bod musta said that
06.11.03 #       <midknight2k3> is that it
06.11.09 #       <Sebulba02> Maybe I'll be able to pick some of this up in my robotics class next semester
06.11.16 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip
06.11.20 #       <Sebulba02> yeah
06.11.26 #       <midknight2k3> mk, pajaco, DevZer0, jzoss, LinusN, Zagor, Cyborg, Lord Grumble
06.11.31 #       <midknight2k3> that cyborg?
06.11.35 #       <Bluechip> pacman ghosts could be done VERY simply and with great effect
06.11.47 #       <midknight2k3> fine bluechip
06.11.49 #       <midknight2k3> ignore me
06.12.00 #       <Bluechip> make s a change for it to be this way round
06.12.07 #       <Sebulba02> Mine are pretty simple.
06.12.40 #       <midknight2k3> ooh under greets is "mk" referring to me?
06.12.50 #       <Bluechip> sadly not :(
06.12.56 #       <midknight2k3> AWW
06.16.02 #       <midknight2k3> GRRRR
06.16.09 #       <midknight2k3> "setup.exe" is causing an error
06.16.14 #       <midknight2k3> WHAT ELSE COULD GO WRONG
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06.17.05 #       * midknight2k3 simply plugs in typical SDK
06.18.31 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
06.18.35 #       <midknight2k3> its running bash now
06.18.36 #       <Bluechip> telling those helping you to shut up in bold caps?
06.18.47 #       <midknight2k3> sorry
06.18.50 #       <midknight2k3> NOO
06.18.52 #       <midknight2k3> DAMMIT!
06.18.57 #       <midknight2k3> oh wait
06.19.05 #       <midknight2k3> its a LINKAGE ERROR
06.19.05 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
06.19.11 #       <midknight2k3> not a STDIN ERROR
06.20.20 #       <midknight2k3> OHH
06.20.25 #       <midknight2k3> it got to ajbrec.ajz part
06.20.29 #       <midknight2k3> and gave an error:
06.20.49 #       <midknight2k3> _fopen64 could not be located in ... cygwin1.dll
06.21.39 #       <Sebulba02> Ouch
06.21.49 #       <midknight2k3> grr
06.21.58 #       <midknight2k3> ideas?
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06.22.00 #       <midknight2k3> comments?
06.22.02 Nick    ]MpC[Masskiller is now known as Masskiller (RIAA@bgp01039051bgs.southg01.mi.comcast.net)
06.22.02 #       <midknight2k3> suggestions?
06.22.04 #       <midknight2k3> ANYTHING
06.22.04 #       <Masskiller> yes
06.22.09 #       <midknight2k3> RUN! ITS MASSKILLER!
06.22.10 #       <Masskiller> i suggest you make it better
06.22.14 #       <Masskiller> what are you talking about
06.22.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.22.20 #       <Bluechip> BAD CYGWIN INSTALL
06.22.23 #       <Masskiller> oh
06.22.33 #       <midknight2k3> you tell 'em, bluechip
06.22.56 #       <midknight2k3> nm its installing
06.22.57 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
06.23.30 #       <Bluechip> erase all cygwin , install my dev kit - lol
06.23.30 #       <Bluechip> too simple!
06.23.38 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.23.54 #       <midknight2k3> GRR
06.23.57 #       <midknight2k3> its not working yet
06.23.58 #       <midknight2k3> wait
06.24.35 Quit    ILuvit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
06.25.42 #       <midknight2k3> RUN! ITS MASSKILLER!
06.25.47 #       <Masskiller> .....lol
06.25.51 #       * Masskiller runs
06.26.10 #       <Sebulba02> sup Masskiller?
06.26.22 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.28.14 #       <Sebulba02> Beat Date   : 2003-12-22 269.444
06.28.32 #       <Bluechip> zzzzzzzzzz
06.28.41 #       <Sebulba02> its getting there
06.28.45 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.29.03 #       <midknight2k3> while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06.29.20 #       <Sebulba02> while(1) { fork(); }
06.33.00 #       <Sebulba02> theres a good way to test my wireless card, run an opengl screensaver over vnc
06.33.32 #       <midknight2k3> asdf
06.34.47 #       <Sebulba02> foreach my $person (@room) { print $person; }
06.35.04 #       <Sebulba02> I should just goto sleep now
06.35.08 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.35.13 #       <Bluechip> ^D
06.35.15 #       <midknight2k3> s
06.35.29 #       <Sebulba02> unset(midknight2k3);
06.35.36 #       <midknight2k3> GRR
06.35.37 #       <midknight2k3> s
06.35.38 #       <midknight2k3> da
06.35.38 #       <midknight2k3> sfdad
06.35.38 #       <midknight2k3> fdfds
06.35.38 ***     Alert Mode level 1
06.35.38 #       <midknight2k3> fds
06.35.39 ***     Alert Mode level 2
06.35.39 #       <midknight2k3> fds
06.35.42 #       <Sebulba02> oops, forgot the $
06.35.42 #       <midknight2k3> ddd
06.35.43 #       <midknight2k3> dd
06.35.53 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.39.59 #       <Sebulba02> dd if=/dev/random of=midknight2k3 seek=500 size=1M
06.40.07 #       <Sebulba02> ;)
06.40.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.40.25 #       <Bluechip> 1M that should be sufficient
06.40.43 #       <midknight2k3> I NEED HELP
06.40.45 #       <midknight2k3> STUPID STUFF
06.40.50 #       <Sebulba02> Could be 1G?
06.41.23 #       <midknight2k3> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
06.41.24 #       <Sebulba02> Still not removing, eh? Have you deleted all files you could?
06.41.36 #       <midknight2k3> ITS NOT WORKING
06.41.38 #       <midknight2k3> WAAAAAAAAAAAA 
06.41.47 #       <midknight2k3> this is frustrating as hell
06.41.56 #       <Bluechip> ur telling me?
06.42.00 #       <midknight2k3> i've been at this over an hour
06.42.02 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.42.05 #       <midknight2k3> i've gone nowhere
06.42.05 #       <Sebulba02> pff
06.42.18 #       <midknight2k3> or is that two hours
06.42.22 #       <Bluechip> should learn to take the advice you ask for
06.42.30 #       <Sebulba02> I spent 3 solid days installing linux on my laptop, that was fustrating as hell
06.42.37 #       <midknight2k3> bluechip: WELL?
06.42.54 #       <Bluechip> 04:50 ..... which files are left?
06.43.09 #       <Sebulba02> the $1M question
06.43.20 #       <midknight2k3> and i told you and you go off on "those ARENT FILES!"
06.43.31 #       <Bluechip> easy seb, i only asked five times - not a million - lol
06.43.41 #       <Sebulba02> fine fine, fair enough
06.43.46 #       <midknight2k3> i repeat, the folders: home, rockbox, usr
06.43.56 #       <Sebulba02> but what files in them are left?
06.44.00 #       <Bluechip> folders are NOT files
06.44.07 #       <Bluechip> they are ....
06.44.09 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.44.12 #       <Bluechip> FOLDERS - tahaaaaaaa
06.45.11 #       <midknight2k3> NOO
06.45.17 #       <midknight2k3> i did rm -r c:\cygwin
06.45.21 #       <midknight2k3> and it deleted cygwin.bat
06.45.26 #       <midknight2k3> so i cant rm anymore
06.45.28 #       <midknight2k3> WTF
06.45.36 #       <Bluechip> you
06.45.38 #       <Bluechip> cannot
06.45.40 ***     Alert Mode OFF
06.45.42 #       <Bluechip> erase
06.45.45 #       <Bluechip> cygwin
06.45.48 #       <Bluechip> within 
06.45.52 #       <midknight2k3> i sorta noticed.
06.45.53 #       <Bluechip> bash
06.46.08 #       <midknight2k3> GRR WHY CANT IT JUST WORK
06.46.40 #       <Bluechip> think your mind is on being angry rather than 01[05:42] <Bluechip> 04:50 ..... which files are 01left? 
06.46.51 #       <midknight2k3> YOU AsKED ME THAT
06.47.08 #       <Bluechip> ahhaaa, you should find a good answer then :)
06.47.28 #       <Bluechip> IF you think you can?
06.47.30 #       <Sebulba02> ahh
06.47.47 #       <Sebulba02> rmdir /s C:\cygwin\
06.47.55 #       <Bluechip> stoppit
06.47.56 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.48.09 #       <midknight2k3> am i sure?
06.48.16 #       <midknight2k3> (Y/N)
06.48.23 #       <Sebulba02> Do you feel... *LUCKY*?
06.48.28 #       <midknight2k3> should i
06.48.29 #       <Bluechip> rmdir /s ....you serious?
06.48.31 #       <Bluechip> cool
06.48.35 #       <Bluechip> that's a new one
06.48.36 #       <Sebulba02> = deltree
06.48.36 #       <midknight2k3> what
06.48.38 #       <midknight2k3> should i
06.48.42 #       <Sebulba02> for winxp
06.48.43 #       <midknight2k3> are you sure
06.48.52 #       <midknight2k3> shall i?
06.48.54 #       <Sebulba02> I'm not sure of anything with windows
06.49.00 #       <Sebulba02> your box :)
06.49.05 #       <midknight2k3> will it do just c:\cygwin or the whole disk?
06.49.18 #       <Bluechip> yes
06.49.18 #       <midknight2k3> i can tell. itll messup and delete everything
06.49.21 #       <Sebulba02> C:\cygwin, supposedly, but you know m$
06.49.53 #       <Bluechip> mk, for the record I no longer care not want to know about the files :)
06.50.01 #       <midknight2k3> C:\cygwin>rmdir /s c:\cygwin
06.50.01 #       <midknight2k3> c:\cygwin, Are you sure (Y/N)?
06.50.03 #       <Bluechip> not->nor
06.50.09 #       <midknight2k3> are you sure bc?
06.50.27 #       <Bluechip> yeah, thanks :)
06.50.33 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
06.50.36 #       <midknight2k3> a whole buncha stuff
06.50.41 #       <Sebulba02> heh
06.50.43 #       <midknight2k3> eveerything is "access is denied"
06.51.03 #       <Sebulba02> eh, so much for the power (or lack of) DOS. If it ever really had any.
06.51.21 #       <Bluechip> slap Sebulba02
06.51.21 #       <Sebulba02> i bet the permissions are just messed up
06.51.23 #       <midknight2k3> bc: anymore ideas before?
06.51.28 #       * midknight2k3 slaps Sebulba02 around a bit with a large trout
06.51.32 #       <Bluechip> not for me thanks
06.52.21 #       <Sebulba02> you can change permissions in winxp, can't you?
06.52.33 #       <midknight2k3> i dunno
06.52.35 #       <midknight2k3> FORGET IT
06.52.39 #       <midknight2k3> its not about to work
06.52.44 #       <Bluechip> such a polite man
06.52.54 #       <Sebulba02> then again, as admin it shouldn't matter
06.52.58 #       <midknight2k3> right
06.53.02 #       <midknight2k3> never mind thanks all anyways
06.53.17 #       <Sebulba02> eh, boot off a knoppix disc, mount the drive and delete it :)
06.53.29 #       <midknight2k3> OOOOH
06.53.31 #       <midknight2k3> thats a great idea
06.53.34 #       <midknight2k3> i have knoppix right here
06.53.38 #       <Sebulba02> assming you can write to NTFS
06.53.39 #       <Bluechip> sysinternals do a nice CTFS disk
06.53.44 #       <Bluechip> NTFS
06.54.10 #       <Sebulba02> I never played with those
06.54.21 #       <midknight2k3> i have knoppix
06.54.25 #       <midknight2k3> but how can i do it
06.55.07 #       <Sebulba02> well, you need ntfs write, which is only supported in kernel 2.4.2[2|3], I think.
06.55.14 #       <Sebulba02> and probably 2.6
06.55.21 #       <midknight2k3> er
06.55.44 #       <midknight2k3> i changed my mind
06.55.47 #       <midknight2k3> forget it. :D
06.55.51 #       <Sebulba02> even then, i think its still EXPERIMENTAL and USE AT YOU OWN RISK type deal.
06.55.53 #       <midknight2k3> is there a way to JUST BUILD PLUGINS?
06.56.07 #       <Sebulba02> make plugins?
06.56.16 #       <midknight2k3> what
06.56.20 #       <midknight2k3> you can do "make plugins?
06.56.21 #       <Sebulba02> or maybe `make rocks`
06.56.48 #       <midknight2k3> IF THAT WORKS....
06.57.03 #       <Sebulba02> function me() throws rocks { while (1) { } }
06.57.23 #       <midknight2k3> lol
06.57.33 #       <midknight2k3> while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06.57.42 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.57.46 #       <Sebulba02> I've come up with far better than that :)
06.57.56 #       <midknight2k3> i like it.
06.58.11 #       <Bluechip> while(angry)
06.58.34 #       <midknight2k3> while (sebulba02_stupid) { printf("It's always like this..."\n); }
06.58.43 #       <Sebulba02> while (angry) { beat(midknight2k3); }
06.58.50 #       <midknight2k3> hey!
06.59.07 #       <Sebulba02> and your syntax is wrong, the \n has to be inside the quites
06.59.12 #       <Sebulba02> quotes*
06.59.15 #       <midknight2k3> oh yeah
06.59.20 #       <midknight2k3> i feel dumb
06.59.28 #       <midknight2k3> i hate feeling dumb when i'm not
06.59.41 #       <Bluechip> lol
06.59.41 #       <Sebulba02> stuff happens
07.00.00 #       <Sebulba02> Is that better or worse than feeling smart when your not?
07.00.00 #       <Bluechip> mk: so dont do it!?
07.00.07 #       <midknight2k3> SDD YOU DFADS! ASDF AHEAD!
07.00.18 #       <Bluechip> i'd rather be an optimist and wrong than a pesemist and right
07.00.28 #       <midknight2k3> I SDD: ASDF AHEAD!
07.00.32 #       <midknight2k3> ADSF ASDF
07.00.39 #       <midknight2k3> LO
07.00.42 #       <midknight2k3> lol
07.00.45 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip
07.00.49 #       <midknight2k3> sdedd
07.00.55 #       <Sebulba02> I'm a big pesemist, so I have a hard time with that one.
07.01.07 #       <midknight2k3> pesemist?
07.01.30 #       <midknight2k3> you people are bad sdd
07.01.39 #       <midknight2k3> sdd = spelling dur dur
07.01.41 #       <midknight2k3> s
07.01.51 #       <Sebulba02> wow, that was butchered
07.01.57 #       <Sebulba02> pessimist
07.02.03 #       <midknight2k3> yes it was
07.02.17 #       <midknight2k3> you even got time to go look it up
07.02.18 #       <midknight2k3> lucky you
07.02.35 #       <Sebulba02> then again, its 1a here and 6a for him, so I don't think we can be to blame.
07.04.09 #       <midknight2k3> trying to make rb
07.04.22 #       <midknight2k3> LOL @ mozilla error
07.04.28 #       <Sebulba02> mozilla?
07.04.55 #       <midknight2k3> "<file> could not be opened, because an unknown error occurred. Sorry about that. Try saving to disk first."
07.05.05 #       <Sebulba02> heh
07.05.11 #       <Sebulba02> I've had that before.
07.05.25 #       <midknight2k3> lol
07.05.43 #       <Sebulba02> Ideally I'd put, "Something got really f*cked up here & its not my fault, save to disk first"
07.05.55 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
07.06.05 #       <midknight2k3> Sebulba02: let me give you a tip
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07.06.10 #       <midknight2k3> never become a programmer
07.06.16 #       <Sebulba02> too late
07.06.26 #       <midknight2k3> OH NO
07.07.10 #       <midknight2k3> man
07.07.12 #       <midknight2k3> my tools
07.07.17 #       <midknight2k3> OH in the recycle bin
07.08.02 #       <Sebulba02> mv "recycle bin" /bit/bucket
07.08.20 #       <midknight2k3> a bit dirty they are sure to be
07.08.23 #       <midknight2k3> but they may work yet
07.08.29 #       <Sebulba02> NOP
07.08.42 #       <midknight2k3> EAT ME!
07.08.49 #       * Sebulba02 throws some NOPs at Bluechip.
07.09.01 #       <midknight2k3> why is it trying to MAKE the tools
07.09.15 #       <Sebulba02> because you have to build them before you can use them
07.09.25 #       <midknight2k3> they are already there compiled
07.09.40 #       <midknight2k3> I KNOW WHATS MISSING
07.09.43 #       <midknight2k3> its a tool missing
07.09.45 #       <Sebulba02> if it thought that, then it wouldn't be building them
07.10.55 #       <midknight2k3> its working
07.10.56 #       <midknight2k3> yay
07.12.05 #       <midknight2k3> if (Sebulba02_stupid) { printf("Ha ha, you're stupid like always\n"); } else { printf("You'll NEVER see this message. EVER.\n"); }
07.12.57 #       <Sebulba02> Lets see what language I can use now.
07.13.31 #       <Bluechip> here come the regexs
07.13.44 #       <Sebulba02> hehe, too early for that, good thought though
07.14.15 #       <Sebulba02> I was trying to digup some asm.
07.14.16 #       <midknight2k3> ITS MAKING THE PLUGINS
07.14.17 #       <midknight2k3> YESS
07.14.21 #       <midknight2k3> can you FEEL THAT
07.14.23 #       <midknight2k3> it COMPILED
07.14.28 #       <midknight2k3> GRR YEAH
07.14.30 #       <midknight2k3> MM HMM
07.14.35 #       <midknight2k3> TASTE THIS, CYGWIN!!
07.14.40 #       <midknight2k3> er...
07.14.45 #       <midknight2k3> continue, as you were.
07.15.01 #       <Sebulba02> dang, I coulda had it compiled twice by now
07.15.19 #       <midknight2k3> i said nothing
07.15.26 #       <midknight2k3> move along, folks, move along!
07.17.24 #       <Sebulba02> eregi_replace("midknight2k3", null, $world);
07.17.42 #       <Sebulba02> Simple, but sweet
07.17.49 #       <midknight2k3> just_make_this_work_please(SHUT SEBULBA UP NOW!);
07.19.49 #       <Sebulba02> SELECT name FROM world WHERE clue=1;
07.19.49 #       <Sebulba02> empty set (0.00 sec)
07.19.59 #       <midknight2k3> shut up
07.20.01 #       <midknight2k3> if my code works
07.20.59 #       <Sebulba02> still compiling or debugging?
07.21.15 #       <midknight2k3> compiled
07.21.15 #       <midknight2k3> fully
07.21.18 #       <midknight2k3> THK GOD
07.21.49 #       <midknight2k3> LMAO
07.22.01 #       <midknight2k3> the clock.. its like .. a dot!
07.22.36 #       <Sebulba02> gdb core `which midknight2k3`
07.22.50 #       <midknight2k3> SSHHH
07.23.54 #       <Bluechip> more finger midknight2k3
07.24.14 #       <midknight2k3> sdf
07.24.18 #       <Sebulba02> sleep();
07.24.26 #       <Bluechip> wake()
07.24.40 #       <Sebulba02> kill();
07.24.53 #       <Bluechip> -9
07.25.02 #       <Sebulba02> nah, create() :)
07.25.17 #       <Bluechip> going for the full kill -9 effect
07.25.47 #       <Sebulba02> kill -9 `ps aux | grep midknight2k3 | awk {'print $1'}`
07.25.53 #       <Bluechip> fork(off?yes:no);
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07.26.22 #       <Sebulba02> heh
07.28.14 #       <Sebulba02> sem_wait(&me);
07.30.54 #       <Sebulba02> while(!awake) { sleep(); }
07.31.00 #       <Bluechip> lol
07.31.33 #       <Bluechip> for(;!awake;sleep());
07.31.39 #       <midknight2k3> gotta go, bye all
07.31.42 #       <midknight2k3> thanks for help
07.31.44 #       <Bluechip> lazy coders of the world unite
07.31.47 #       <Sebulba02> np
07.31.49 #       <Bluechip> nite dude
07.31.53 #       <Sebulba02> heh
07.31.54 #       <midknight2k3> nite
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07.32.18 #       <Bluechip> got the masf functions back in the sim :)
07.32.32 #       <Sebulba02> cool
07.32.35 #       <Masskiller> its so funny
07.32.43 #       <Masskiller> when you have conversations in code
07.32.43 #       <Masskiller> lol
07.32.49 #       <Bluechip> just have to work out the little makefile bodge a bit more carefully
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07.33.24 #       <Sebulba02> hmm
07.34.22 #       <Bluechip> need to pass -DARCHOS_RECORDER to the win32 makefile and NOT embed it in there!
07.35.01 #       <Sebulba02> make it a part of configure?
07.35.14 #       <Bluechip> think so, yes
07.36.14 #       <Sebulba02> cd me/; ./configure --with-bed=/dev/here;
07.36.42 #       <Sebulba02> nice having a laptop
07.37.29 #       <Bluechip> for(bc==tired; !alarm; sleep());
07.38.07 #       <Bluechip> nite all
07.38.08 #       <Sebulba02> for(bc==tired; alarm; sleep()) { smash(alarm); sleep(); }
07.38.16 #       <Bluechip> lol
07.38.23 #       <Sebulba02> or maybe throw()
07.38.46 #       <Bluechip> no, cos if you throw it you wont go back to sleep!
07.38.51 #       <Sebulba02> yeah, its bed time.
07.38.56 #       <Sebulba02> true
07.39.05 #       <Bluechip> unlike me
07.39.07 #       <Bluechip> NOW
07.39.10 Part    Bluechip
07.39.17 #       <Sebulba02> 'night
07.39.26 Part    Sebulba02
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11.51.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Ah, found it in wps.c Stupid me.
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12.38.09 #       <citrix7> hello all
12.38.27 #       <webmind> oi
12.38.37 #       <citrix7> i have a few questions, can anyone help me out a bit?
12.40.12 #       <webmind> ask and see
12.40.36 #       <citrix7> k. well, i have not upgraded my recorder 15 yet (just got it) anywa...
12.40.45 #       <citrix7> my question is more about the unit.
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12.41.05 #       <citrix7> i got it on a trade from this guy, and the batteries were totally dead......
12.41.26 #       <citrix7> so i have been charging them for about 1.5 hours and the site says i can turn on the unit now
12.41.37 #       <citrix7> but it does not turn on, only yhe charge screen
12.41.56 #       <citrix7> is this normal, or do i just need a long charge?
12.42.09 #       <Hadaka> the batteries might be really dead - as in, not holding charge at all really - so you'd have to get new batteries
12.42.31 #       <Hadaka> 1.5h should be plenty for any normal batteries to charge enough to power up the unit
12.43.01 #       <webmind> citrix7, how lonjg have you pressed the 'on' button ?
12.43.11 #       <citrix7> hmm..ok. i live in israel at the moment, and those are expensive here, so i wanted to make sure before i bought.
12.43.17 #       <Hadaka> oh, right
12.43.23 #       <Hadaka> if you don't disconnect it from the power
12.43.30 #       <Hadaka> you need to hold down the 'on' button until it boots totally
12.43.33 #       <citrix7> i got the unit to work using some of my friends rechargeable batts
12.44.25 #       <citrix7> well, i did get the unit for $50, so i guess new batts are ok.
12.44.54 #       <Hadaka> how much are the batts over there?
12.45.06 #       <citrix7> not sure, but everything is expensive here. a real rip off
12.45.15 #       <Hadaka> nods
12.45.48 #       <Hadaka> I can get four for... something like 25 euros, probably cheaper if trying to find the right place to buy
12.46.11 #       <citrix7> oh.....and BTW - i am using a diff power supply. a universal for 9 volts.
12.46.20 #       <Hadaka> that should be fine
12.46.43 #       <citrix7> but the package says 9v 50 0Ma
12.46.43 #       <Hadaka> unless it's a very low power version
12.46.51 #       <citrix7> 500ma
12.47.23 #       <citrix7> it says "charging" but now im not sure.
12.47.25 #       <webmind> 500ma sounds a bit low...
12.47.27 #       <Hadaka> hmmh, that's on the low end I think
12.47.35 #       <webmind> i know my hd takes 1a 
12.47.40 #       <Hadaka> so it might take longer to charge
12.47.50 #       <Hadaka> webmind: the charger can't power the hd alone anyway
12.47.56 #       <webmind> Hadaka, uhuh
12.48.01 #       <citrix7> ah... so this could be the problem
12.48.10 #       <citrix7> not enough power in the charger
12.48.21 #       <Hadaka> well, I believe it should charge still
12.48.25 #       <Hadaka> albeit slower
12.48.41 #       <citrix7> ok, i eill let it go for the night and see after that.
12.48.44 #       <Hadaka> except if the batteries are really dead, and it can't provide the initial current to "wake" the cells again
12.48.49 #       <Hadaka> but that's bad batteries already again
12.48.54 #       <citrix7> hmm. ok
12.49.43 #       <citrix7> another thing.....i was kinda in the market for a ipod or something, until i happen to get offered this unit.  am i missing alot by having an older unit like this instead of a new ipod or zen?
12.49.55 #       <citrix7> cuz i think the recorder 15 is older right?
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14.26.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Has the internationalization for plugins been kicked out?
14.26.36 #       <^^neo^^> hey hi
14.26.43 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hi
14.27.02 #       <^^neo^^> du hast doch deinen archos auch schon aueinander genommen oder ?
14.27.48 #       <^^neo^^> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/disassemble2.html weil so wie das da steht will das nich ganz funktionieren oder is das beim recorder anderst?
14.28.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Das ist meiner von innen: http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/recorder.html
14.28.43 #       <webmind> english!
14.29.08 #       <kurzhaarrocker> oh, sorry.
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16.59.00 #       <^^neo^^> somone here could help?
17.05.28 #       <woddsch> Concerning what?
17.06.11 #       <^^neo^^> My Hdd gets no power from the archos
17.06.35 #       <woddsch> And it has worked before?
17.06.51 #       <^^neo^^> yes and the hdd stil works un my computer
17.07.33 #       <woddsch> You mean when you disassemble the device and plug the HDD into your computer or via USB?
17.07.57 #       <^^neo^^> I have dissasambled the archos because I wanted to look why my DC was sitting wrong
17.08.34 #       <^^neo^^> in the computer
17.08.34 #       <woddsch> Does it work when you've plugged in the charger?
17.08.39 #       <^^neo^^> no
17.08.55 #       <^^neo^^> I hear no sound
17.09.17 #       <woddsch> Does it even start up?
17.09.19 #       <^^neo^^> and while trying to boot I get an error like "HDD register error"
17.09.41 #       <^^neo^^> but it doesnt make any sound
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17.10.54 #       <^^neo^^> any idea?
17.11.02 #       <woddsch> Do you use the HDD delivered by the manufactor?
17.11.16 #       <^^neo^^> yes hitach 20gb
17.12.34 #       <woddsch> sorry no idea... you ought to have a look at the mailinglist history..
17.12.53 #       <woddsch> perhaps someone has reported the same error..
17.12.53 #       <^^neo^^> hmm
17.13.20 #       <^^neo^^> is there a search option?
17.13.52 #       <woddsch> You may use the search option on the left for the whole site...
17.15.04 #       <^^neo^^> it kicks me to google
17.15.35 #       <woddsch> What's wrong with that? Google is an excellent search engine.. all results point to the rockbox homepage..
17.16.01 #       <woddsch> What happens if you start the Archos Firmware?
17.16.28 #       <^^neo^^> I have found one
17.16.33 #       <^^neo^^> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/0296.shtml
17.18.33 #       <woddsch> Zagor once recommended to fully charge the batteries in such a case.
17.19.23 #       <^^neo^^> yes I had this problem one but even there the hdd made a sound
17.19.38 #       <woddsch> Anyway you ought to ask one of the rockbox developers... sorry but I have to leave now.. cu
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17.19.49 #       <^^neo^^> uff
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18.20.27 #       <GOD> not here..
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18.22.28 #       <diddystar5> yepyepyep
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18.44.40 #       <diddystar5> hey Bluechip
18.44.47 #       <Bluechip> yo
18.44.49 #       <diddystar5> hows winamp 5?
18.45.17 #       <Bluechip> still not played yet - been working on rockBox - nice icon though ;)
18.45.27 #       <diddystar5> lol
18.45.29 #       <diddystar5> yeah
18.45.39 #       <Bluechip> your work?
18.45.48 #       <diddystar5> im making a very good version of rockbox
18.45.53 #       <diddystar5> no
18.46.11 #       <diddystar5> this verison of rockbox is gona be pimped out! :)
18.47.46 #       <diddystar5> if it turns out well, i might even release it on the mail list to see what people think
18.47.49 #       <Bluechip> is it a secret or are you sharing yur cool ideas?
18.48.02 #       <diddystar5> ohh,  its a secret
18.48.05 #       <diddystar5> not really
18.48.26 #       <diddystar5> i just gonnaadd some patches, and some othere stuff that i thought would e cool
18.48.44 #       <Bluechip> great
18.49.06 #       <Bluechip> glad we're not doubling up on work :)
18.49.24 #       <diddystar5> i have made some versions like this a long time ago, but i never released any of them
18.50.18 #       <Bluechip> shame
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18.52.05 #       <anz> hi all
18.52.18 #       <diddystar5> hi
18.52.30 #       <GOD> yo anz
18.52.40 #       <anz> I have a little question ...
18.52.42 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: why not port the x11 sim to win32, that way it wouldbe nice and much less bugy!
18.53.14 #       <anz> I would like to know if it is possible to do a MPC plugin for Jukebox ?
18.53.23 #       <diddystar5> MPC?
18.53.32 #       <anz> yes it's an audio format
18.53.34 #       <anz> like MP3
18.53.35 #       <GOD> lol i have an av300 so i dunno about the jbmm
18.53.48 #       <Bluechip> diddy: what bugs are in the win32 sim?
18.54.07 #       <Bluechip> anz: maybe in the future, but certainly not at the moment :(
18.54.41 #       <anz> Bluechip> I'm a developper, I just want to know if it's possible
18.54.51 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: like when i have the sim open, and i open something else over it, it crashes
18.55.20 #       <Bluechip> what does "crash" mean?
18.55.20 #       <diddystar5> anz: it may be possible, but would be difficult
18.55.54 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: well like the screen turns off, the archos pic goes away, etc,  i have to restart it to get it back
18.56.09 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: i could make a screenshot of it
18.56.17 #       <Bluechip> I know it ... its a redisplay error .
18.56.37 #       <Bluechip> to refresh the BMP drag it off the bottom of the screen and back on again
18.56.51 #       <Bluechip> to refresh the GUI press any key
18.57.09 #       <Bluechip> need someone who understands the windows message pump to help fix that
18.57.24 #       <diddystar5> ohh     your new display fix helps it!
18.57.39 #       <Bluechip> yes, you can tell the time if it starts with a "1" now :)
18.58.00 #       <Bluechip> just finished the recorder updates, but have broken the player in the process
18.58.27 #       <Bluechip> you can now get use all the recorder specific screens :)
18.58.28 #       <anz> It would be great the plugins for ogg, mp3pro and mpc ...
18.58.54 #       <Bluechip> anz: read last nights log for more info on codec (especially ogg) support :)
18.59.00 #       <anz> thx 
18.59.28 #       <Bluechip> we fist need to suss WAV support - start small :)
19.00.34 #       <anz> yes we could
19.00.47 #       <Bluechip> got a better idea ?:)
19.01.18 #       <anz> begin with .Wav it's a good idea
19.01.26 #       <^^neo^^> hey I have disassembled my Archos because I wanted to glue my DC-in, now my HD gets no more power from the Archos, what did I do wrong?
19.01.28 #       <Bluechip> got any DSP experience
19.02.02 #       <Bluechip> neo: check the voltage lines to the hdd with a multimeter 
19.02.09 #       <Bluechip> neo: check the hdd in a computer
19.02.24 #       <^^neo^^> it worked in my computer
19.02.29 #       <^^neo^^> must be the archos
19.02.29 #       <anz> I think I ought to write a MPCtoMp3 converter :-)
19.02.49 #       <Bluechip> okay - check 1 [X] :) ...now check the voltage lines are sound
19.03.13 #       <Bluechip> ....does the drive spin AT ALL???
19.03.18 #       <^^neo^^> nothing
19.03.24 #       <Bluechip> power supply
19.03.35 #       <^^neo^^> charger is plugged in
19.03.44 #       <Bluechip> runs off batteries
19.03.51 #       <Bluechip> recorder v1 yes?
19.04.07 #       <^^neo^^> v1 ?
19.04.17 #       <Bluechip> AA batteries
19.04.20 #       <^^neo^^> yes
19.04.28 #       <Bluechip> it always runs off batteries
19.04.44 #       <^^neo^^> I dont have batteries inside atm
19.04.52 #       <^^neo^^> only the charger
19.04.52 #       <Bluechip> that'll be your problem :)
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19.04.56 #       <^^neo^^> no no
19.05.23 #       <ILuvit> hi guys
19.05.23 #       <^^neo^^> when I put my batteries inside my archos doesent turn on
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19.05.35 #       <Bluechip> hi luv
19.05.52 #       <Bluechip> are the batteries charger?
19.05.56 #       <Bluechip> ed
19.06.21 #       <^^neo^^> yes but external
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19.06.56 #       <Bluechip> no matter how - charged is good
19.07.04 #       <^^neo^^> yes
19.07.07 #       <Bluechip> can you check the charge with a mm
19.07.11 #       <Bluechip> ?
19.07.13 #       <^^neo^^> but the problem is in my archso
19.07.19 #       <^^neo^^> the batteries are ok
19.07.24 #       <^^neo^^> walkman works
19.07.46 #       <anz> bye all
19.07.47 #       <^^neo^^> maybe something is broken in my archos
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19.07.53 #       <Bluechip> okay - so with batteries IN *and* connected to charger - unit powers up but hdd does not spin??
19.08.12 #       <^^neo^^> yes
19.08.28 #       <Bluechip> stops at blob 3 or 4 on boot screen??
19.08.32 #       <^^neo^^> and then while trying to boot I get a HD register error
19.08.37 #       <^^neo^^> yes
19.08.40 #       <^^neo^^> 3.
19.08.57 #       <Bluechip> archos or rockbox ROM firmware?
19.09.04 #       <Bluechip> Ie. "flashed?"
19.09.08 #       <^^neo^^> rockbox
19.09.11 #       <^^neo^^> hmm?
19.09.26 #       <^^neo^^> original 0.28
19.09.30 #       <^^neo^^> but I use rockbox
19.09.41 #       <Bluechip> did you flash the ROM chip ?
19.09.44 #       <^^neo^^> no
19.09.46 #       <Bluechip> ok
19.09.52 #       <ILuvit> i have the FM Recorder and i flashed it, whem i plug it in to charg even after 6 hrs the battery indicator still blink like it is charging, is this a problem?
19.10.05 #       <^^neo^^> this is my code
19.10.06 #       <^^neo^^> > SC1 (85) 227
19.10.06 #       <^^neo^^> > SN1 (170) 0
19.10.06 DBUG    Enqueued KICK ^^neo^^
19.10.06 #       <^^neo^^> > SC2 (170) 18
19.10.06 #       <^^neo^^> > SN2 (85) 211
19.10.19 #       <Bluechip> hdd not spinning is FAR more relevant :)
19.10.31 #       <Bluechip> your hdd is not getting any power
19.10.38 #       <^^neo^^> from the archos right
19.10.43 #       <Bluechip> this will be a dodgy connection of some kind
19.10.44 #       <Bluechip> yes
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19.11.32 #       <Bluechip> luv: sorry, don't know - this charging algorithm stuff leaves me cold :(
19.12.11 #       <ILuvit> thanks Blu
19.12.58 #       <Bluechip> neo: do you have a multi-meter or volt-memter?
19.13.14 #       <^^neo^^> no sorry
19.13.30 #       <Bluechip> hmmmmm, got a spare fiver?
19.13.40 #       <^^neo^^> huuh whats that?
19.13.48 #       <^^neo^^> sry not english
19.13.48 #       <Bluechip> sorry - uk slang for £5
19.13.56 #       <^^neo^^> 5€ ?
19.14.08 #       <^^neo^^> hm maybe a friend has got one
19.14.17 #       <Bluechip> E1.6 -> £1
19.14.41 #       <Bluechip> (must get euro symbol and umlauts on keyboard)
19.15.02 #       <Bluechip> any hobby electronics guy or electrician will have one
19.15.08 #       <^^neo^^> are you german?
19.15.12 #       <Bluechip> uk
19.15.27 #       <Bluechip> lots of german friends
19.15.28 #       <^^neo^^> hm the word umlaut is german :)
19.16.03 #       <Bluechip> little dots over the vowels to modify the sound to have a rounded "ee" ending
19.16.15 #       <Bluechip> much like the irish fada
19.16.29 #       <^^neo^^> °° ?
19.16.46 #       <^^neo^^> hmmm
19.17.52 #       <^^neo^^> no matter
19.18.10 #       <^^neo^^> what can I do without this Vol-emeter?
19.18.31 #       <Bluechip> hmmmm
19.19.14 #       <^^neo^^> or what did I do wrong by disassembling the Achos?
19.19.33 #       <Bluechip> you could lash together a 6v light bult with kitchen baggie ties and be careful
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19.20.15 #       <Bluechip> but you will likely need some accurate numbers 
19.20.20 #       <^^neo^^> I have a screwdriver with integrated light
19.20.28 #       <Dogger> hi does anyone know much about i2c interface etc? any docs on it?
19.20.50 #       <Bluechip> dog: tonnes all over the net :)  it's no secret :)
19.21.26 #       <Bluechip> there is an i2c driver in the rockbox code !
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19.21.35 #       <Dogger> ok, will take a look further
19.21.45 #       <Bluechip> ask again if you get stuck :)
19.22.23 #       <Bluechip> dogg: http://www.ping.be/~ping0751/i2c2.htm
19.23.17 #       <Dogger> I am writing an emulator for the i2c on jbmm/av100/av300 see
19.23.28 #       <Dogger> I have identified the addresses etc,
19.23.38 #       <Dogger> but have no idea what its expecting back from i2c
19.23.41 #       <Dogger> eg ack etc
19.23.46 #       <Bluechip> should be pretty simple ...it's just a serial interface with a standardised format :)
19.24.09 #       <Dogger> cool
19.24.17 #       <Dogger> why is it bit based tho
19.24.22 #       <Dogger> isnt that pretty slow?
19.25.40 #       <Bluechip> you can bash 1 bit data at higer speeds than parallel data nowdays - but in these appliances it is more about cheap motherboards and why develop a high speed board to pass around low speed data?
19.25.55 #       <Dogger> sure ok,
19.26.04 #       <Dogger> the other thing I need to emulate is the ATA
19.26.13 #       <Dogger> it seems to be issuing an e1 command
19.26.20 #       <Dogger> which isnt listed in the rockbox ata.c
19.26.23 #       <Dogger> any ideas?
19.26.35 #       <Bluechip> i have some ata docs somwhere, but buried :( ...they are NOT so easy to track down :(
19.26.59 #       <Dogger> ok, it also seems to be using command a0 to read sectors
19.27.15 #       <Bluechip> you could pop onto the OFFA or MIPSX groups on Yahoo - there are people there who understand *if* you can get them to help
19.27.17 #       <Dogger> my emulator gets to the point on the av300 where it tries to read the partition sector
19.27.29 #       <Dogger> ok, might take a look thanks
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19.29.14 #       <midknight2k3> hi all
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19.29.22 #       <midknight2k3> populated in here
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19.31.50 #       <Bluechip> diddystar5 ???
19.32.00 #       <midknight2k3> ??
19.32.15 #       <diddystar5> WHAT?
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19.32.50 #       <Bluechip> could you do me a favour and post a favourable comment on sourceforge against the win32sim screen patch please?
19.33.14 #       <Bluechip> "checked, it works" would be sufficient :)
19.33.23 #       <diddystar5> sure thing
19.33.51 #       <diddystar5> but it really is good anyway!
19.34.04 #       <midknight2k3> does it work?
19.34.10 #       <midknight2k3> if it does great work bluechip
19.34.18 #       <midknight2k3> that bug bugged me
19.34.44 #       <diddystar5> but it still dosent make the sim complete good enough for me! :)        i need a MAS emulator
19.35.21 #       <Bluechip> hardware emulation, or just gui emulation?
19.35.56 #       <diddystar5> hardware,         i want to test code that does mas reads
19.36.09 #       <diddystar5> so really the sim would also need to be able to play sound
19.36.21 #       <diddystar5> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=863775&group_id=44306&atid=439120
19.36.44 #       <Bluechip> you could forge a bunch of values ...but you can forget sound-chip emulation
19.39.21 #       <Bluechip> cheers diddy
19.40.46 #       <diddystar5> :(
19.41.02 #       <midknight2k3> whaa
19.41.50 #       <Bluechip> with time you ould probably write a direct-x module which would emulate the MASF bass roll features to a modest degree - but you'll probably never get it JUST right
19.42.09 #       <Bluechip> I hope you maths is hotter than Venus :)
19.42.40 #       <diddystar5> well, if i could get sound out of the sim and get a somewhat accurate value from mas reads   it would be fine
19.43.02 #       <diddystar5> but i have no idea how to make it work
19.43.20 #       <midknight2k3> just fix your box :D
19.43.20 #       <Bluechip> for sound you could use the mad winamp plugin
19.43.52 #       <Bluechip> that should be quite easy
19.44.16 #       <Bluechip> for register values, just have a big array of numbers and update them as you need to
19.44.18 #       <diddystar5> do it bluechip!         i have no idea how to
19.44.29 #       <diddystar5> please
19.44.31 #       <Bluechip> project does not interest me :(
19.44.37 #       <Bluechip> i have bigger things afoot
19.44.57 #       <midknight2k3> for rockbox, Bluechip?
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19.45.01 #       * midknight2k3 salivates
19.53.01 #       <Bluechip> no, i just have size 16 feet :)
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19.54.33 #       <midknight2k3> hardeep
19.54.34 #       <midknight2k3> hi
19.54.37 #       <hardeep> hi
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19.57.42 #       <diddystar5> hey hardeep
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20.25.19 #       <midknight2k3> bye diddy
20.25.29 #       <diddystar5> by every1
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20.25.33 #       <Bluechip> byeeeee
20.25.37 #       <midknight2k3> too late.
20.25.38 #       <midknight2k3> lol
20.25.43 #       <Bluechip> lol
20.25.54 #       <Bluechip> well ...the thought was there :)
20.26.00 #       <midknight2k3> lol
20.26.18 #       <midknight2k3> ttc
20.26.30 #       <Bluechip> :)
20.26.36 #       <midknight2k3> we
20.26.39 #       <midknight2k3> er*
20.26.45 #       <midknight2k3> ttc != thought that counds
20.26.46 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
20.26.51 #       <midknight2k3> ttc = time to code
20.26.54 #       <midknight2k3> but thats odd
20.26.55 #       <Bluechip> yes, i guessed! ..hence :)
20.26.57 #       <midknight2k3> it..
20.27.14 #       <midknight2k3> ttc is not equal to thought that counts
20.27.21 #       <midknight2k3> ttc is equal to time to code
20.27.28 #       <Bluechip> hows your devkit holding up 2day? or is that a bad question to ask?
20.27.57 #       <midknight2k3> its ok i think
20.28.37 #       <Bluechip> has ANYONE -EVER- used the win32sim to test the player?
20.28.49 #       <midknight2k3> not really
20.28.52 #       <midknight2k3> x11 sim ROCKS
20.29.13 #       <Bluechip> didnt know it was useable under windows
20.29.20 #       <midknight2k3> its not
20.29.23 #       <Bluechip> ah
20.29.35 #       <Bluechip> then it is of no consequence to me 
20.30.02 #       <midknight2k3> no it's nt
20.30.12 #       <Bluechip> whats nt?
20.30.26 #       <midknight2k3> no idea
20.32.27 #       <Bluechip> what does x11 do that win32sim does not
20.32.28 #       <Bluechip> ?
20.32.44 #       <midknight2k3> its a lot better.. better controls, visuals, etc
20.32.52 #       <Bluechip> example?
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20.33.09 #       <midknight2k3> better controls, visuals
20.33.38 #       <Bluechip> can you provide and example of "in what way" the visuals are "better" ?
20.33.57 #       <midknight2k3> no errors in display
20.34.02 #       <midknight2k3> your patch fixes i think
20.34.08 #       <Bluechip> but of course :)
20.34.18 #       <midknight2k3> you just gotta try it
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20.34.24 #       <Bluechip> 01can you provide and 01example of "in what way" the CONTROLS 01are "better" ? 
20.34.38 #       <midknight2k3> NO
20.34.43 #       <midknight2k3> uses numpat
20.34.54 #       <Bluechip> you just mean "choice of keys"??
20.35.00 #       <midknight2k3>  / = f1, * = f2, - = f3
20.35.02 #       <Bluechip> that's a 20second patch YOU could do - lol
20.35.06 #       <midknight2k3> did you ever hear of knoppix
20.35.10 #       <Bluechip> no
20.35.15 #       <midknight2k3> well you oughta get it and try it
20.35.22 #       <midknight2k3> and try the x11 sim
20.35.28 #       <midknight2k3> its hard to explain it just feels a lot better
20.35.33 #       <midknight2k3> lot more realistic
20.35.33 #       <Bluechip> you should try BeOS
20.35.37 #       <midknight2k3> no thanks.
20.35.41 #       <Bluechip> likewise
20.35.51 #       <midknight2k3> asdf
20.35.54 #       <midknight2k3> to you
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20.43.43 #       <Jt1> hi
20.43.47 #       <Bluechip> evenin
20.43.51 #       <midknight2k3> hi
20.43.53 #       <midknight2k3> track?
20.43.59 #       <midknight2k3> yes.
20.44.00 #       <midknight2k3> it is
20.44.01 #       <midknight2k3> lol
20.44.07 #       <midknight2k3> i cnat believe i guessed right
20.44.07 #       <Jt1> yes
20.44.08 #       <Jt1> ots
20.44.09 #       <Jt1> its
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20.44.10 #       <Jt1> me
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20.46.23 #       <Bluechip> anyone with an FM uit?
20.46.26 #       <Bluechip> unit
20.46.29 #       <Jt1> not in a particulary good mood right nwo
20.46.30 #       <Jt1> now
20.46.30 #       <midknight2k3> me
20.46.30 #       <midknight2k3> ME
20.46.34 #       <midknight2k3> hi track
20.46.38 #       <midknight2k3> i have fmr
20.46.39 #       <midknight2k3> me
20.46.41 #       <midknight2k3> pick me!
20.46.43 #       <Bluechip> where is the radio on the menu?
20.46.44 #       <Bluechip> lol
20.46.47 #       <midknight2k3> er
20.46.50 #       <midknight2k3> down 3 entries.
20.47.06 #       <Bluechip> can you snap-shot the screen for me please?
20.47.15 #       <midknight2k3> i guess
20.47.25 #       <Bluechip> wanna make sure it works before I publish the patch
20.47.27 #       <midknight2k3> sec
20.47.43 #       <Bluechip> you know how to snapshot a window?
20.48.10 #       <Bluechip> ignore last coment
20.48.16 #       <midknight2k3> what?
20.48.30 #       <midknight2k3> i dont use sim
20.48.33 #       <Bluechip> two very similar convresations in two windows
20.48.37 #       <midknight2k3> if thast what you mean
20.48.43 #       <Jt1> lol
20.48.51 #       <Bluechip> ^^^ 01ignore last coment ^^^
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20.49.15 #       <Jt1> no sign of that idiot
20.50.22 #       <midknight2k3> what idiot
20.50.24 #       <midknight2k3> what
20.50.31 #       <Jt1> m********n
20.50.48 #       <midknight2k3> well wtf
20.50.49 #       <midknight2k3> shhh
20.51.10 #       <Bluechip> mk: thanks for the piccie - what i meant was a shot of the actual FM screen itself - soorrreeee
20.51.20 #       <midknight2k3> oh sure
20.51.24 #       <Jt1> silly poof
20.51.31 #       <midknight2k3> the fm wps? :D
20.51.45 #       <Bluechip> the tuner screen is wps??????
20.51.57 #       <midknight2k3> no
20.52.00 #       <midknight2k3> just "the" wps
20.52.00 #       <Bluechip> phew!
20.52.03 #       <midknight2k3> nm
20.52.04 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
20.52.07 #       <midknight2k3> thatd be cool
20.52.11 #       <midknight2k3> and a recording screen WPS
20.52.30 #       <Bluechip> you'll enjoy writing those :)
20.52.49 #       <midknight2k3> no ty
20.52.50 #       <midknight2k3> lol
20.53.12 #       <Bluechip> you could be good if you wanted it enough :)
20.53.26 #       <midknight2k3> im busy coding my clock
20.53.36 #       <Bluechip> still going on that - cool
20.53.41 #       <Bluechip> thort it was dun
20.54.11 #       <midknight2k3> no
20.54.14 #       <midknight2k3> linus helped with a few things
20.54.25 #       <midknight2k3> total revamp in the works
20.54.26 #       <Bluechip> ta for piccie
20.54.58 #       <midknight2k3> are you making a patch did you say
20.55.02 #       <Bluechip> yes
20.55.07 #       <midknight2k3> of
20.55.13 #       <midknight2k3> radio?
20.55.16 #       <Bluechip> win32sim == works properly
20.55.20 #       <midknight2k3> oh
20.55.51 #       <Bluechip> at
20.55.52 #       <Bluechip> atm
20.59.24 #       <Bluechip> anyone know the differences between recorder-version2 and FM-Recorder?
20.59.31 #       <midknight2k3> not much..
20.59.40 #       <Bluechip> need accurate details
20.59.47 #       <Bluechip> working on core code here - lol
21.00.19 #       <midknight2k3> lo
21.00.20 #       <midknight2k3> l
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21.29.47 #       <_Laurent> Hi there
21.29.52 #       <midknight2k3> hi
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21.38.40 #       <_Laurent> I have a gmini and wondered if anybody was trying to have rockbox work on it ? from rockbox' web site it doesn't seem so...
21.39.00 #       <midknight2k3> not gonna happen
21.39.01 #       <midknight2k3> sorry
21.39.09 #       <Jt1> why not
21.39.17 #       <_Laurent> why ? technical reasons ?
21.39.18 #       <midknight2k3> its not
21.40.15 #       <Jt1> I can't see rockbox lasting forever.........
21.40.15 #       <Jt1> lol
21.40.36 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
21.40.58 #       <Jt1> tea maker
21.41.23 #       <midknight2k3> asdf.dfad
21.42.23 #       <_Laurent> well, it has an upgradable firmware as the older players/recorders, and it's probably based on similar hardware, so I can't see a valid technical reason (except if the firmware is somewhat encrypted and hardware decrypted before install) not to try to have rockbox on it ? Am I wrong ?
21.42.37 #       <midknight2k3> er
21.42.42 #       <midknight2k3> its an entirely different machine
21.42.56 #       <midknight2k3> different lcd, different mas most likely, different scrambling algo
21.43.06 #       <midknight2k3> i repeat it is about 95% sure it won't happen
21.43.14 #       <_Laurent> ah, did you already open one ? I did not open mine, but I can do it
21.43.35 #       <midknight2k3> no
21.43.45 #       <midknight2k3> its a different lcd.. that there says something
21.43.50 #       <midknight2k3> its wider right
21.43.54 #       <midknight2k3> i dunno
21.44.14 #       <_Laurent> I'm not sure I understand you, are you telling me that rockbox is that dependent on the hardware ?
21.44.35 #       <midknight2k3> sort of, but also the dfferent algo
21.44.43 #       <_Laurent> yes, the lcd is wider, and it's probably pixel based not character based, since there are icons
21.44.49 #       <midknight2k3> yes
21.44.53 #       <midknight2k3> no doubt bitmap lcd
21.44.58 #       <Jt1> yea
21.45.03 #       <Jt1> not character LCD
21.45.08 #       <Jt1> ie, no album covers :-(
21.45.14 #       <midknight2k3> lol
21.45.19 #       <midknight2k3> jt: they are gonna do it
21.45.23 #       <midknight2k3> album covers on lcd
21.45.24 #       <Jt1> do what?
21.45.30 #       <midknight2k3> with the grayscale i think they will
21.45.33 #       <midknight2k3> they were talking about it
21.45.41 #       <_Laurent> jt1 : there's a way to have graphics even on character lcd
21.45.41 #       <Jt1> what? Squeeze an entire album into one of the players' character cells?
21.45.48 #       <midknight2k3> no
21.45.50 #       <midknight2k3> on the recorder
21.45.52 #       <_Laurent> Jt1: i'd do that ;)
21.46.37 #       <_Laurent> when you speak about the algo, are you talking about the firmware encrypting algorithm ?
21.46.42 #       <midknight2k3> yes
21.46.56 #       <midknight2k3> it's very possible
21.46.59 #       <midknight2k3> but i doubt it will be done
21.47.00 #       <_Laurent> ok, so is this the major problem up to you ?
21.47.08 #       <midknight2k3> no!
21.47.13 #       <midknight2k3> don't ask me, never mind
21.47.14 #       <Jt1> Ask mikeholden
21.47.19 #       <midknight2k3> shutup track
21.47.20 #       <Jt1> he has all the fooking' answers
21.47.22 #       <Jt1> to everything
21.47.33 #       <Jt1> midknight are you his boyfriend?
21.47.50 #       <midknight2k3> >:(
21.48.00 #       <_Laurent> oh, ok, I was beginning to thing that you knew but did'nt want to tell
21.48.17 #       <midknight2k3> not at all _Laurent
21.48.37 #       <_Laurent> s/thing/think/g
21.48.46 #       <Jt1> lol mid#
21.48.51 #       <midknight2k3> ?
21.49.17 #       <_Laurent> would the dev list a good place to ask my questions ?
21.49.21 #       <Jt1> yea
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21.50.15 #       <midknight2k3> jt: shush
21.50.16 #       <midknight2k3> lol
21.50.25 #       <Jt1> o
21.50.26 #       <Jt1> oi
21.50.40 #       <_Laurent> btw, i'd have some more : are there any docs explaining the archos players/recorders reverse engineering process as there are for xbox-linux ? I'm missing them as general background information :)
21.50.57 #       <midknight2k3> not really...
21.50.59 #       <midknight2k3> maybe
21.51.00 #       <midknight2k3> the 
21.51.01 #       <midknight2k3> er
21.51.04 #       <_Laurent> i did not find any on the web site
21.51.04 #       <midknight2k3> maybe "the notes"
21.51.05 #       <midknight2k3> lol
21.51.22 #       <midknight2k3> the notes
21.51.27 #       <Jt1> the Gmini can record to WAV
21.51.39 #       <midknight2k3> Jt1: get one then
21.51.47 #       <Jt1> i already have one
21.51.47 #       <Jt1> :-)
21.52.18 #       <Jt1> has a nice blue backlight
21.52.19 #       <Jt1> plays WMA
21.52.21 #       <Jt1> and WAV
21.52.22 #       <midknight2k3> oh really
21.52.30 #       <Jt1> has an icon interface
21.52.35 #       <midknight2k3> what does the startup screen look like
21.52.37 #       <Jt1> can take CF cards
21.52.40 #       <Jt1> it shows the ARCHOS logo
21.52.42 #       <midknight2k3> dont tell him laurent
21.52.48 #       <Jt1> it shows the ARCHOS logo
21.53.10 #       <midknight2k3> hrm
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21.54.26 #       <Jt1> and the peak meteres are vertical rather than horizontal
21.55.02 #       <midknight2k3> there are no peak meters
21.55.09 #       <Jt1> there ARE peak meters
21.55.13 #       <Jt1> they are vertical on the Gmini
21.55.28 #       <midknight2k3> what does it do when you put in a cf card
21.55.29 #       <_Laurent> true
21.56.26 #       <midknight2k3> what does it do when you put in a cf card
21.56.29 #       <midknight2k3> Jt1?
21.56.47 #       <Jt1> I don't know as I don't have any CF cards and I havent paied for the plugin yet
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21.58.07 #       <Jt1> Ive noticed Smartmedia cards are losing popularity
21.58.19 #       <_Laurent> as for mikeholden, does he comes here or should I try email ?
21.58.27 #       <midknight2k3> dont ask mikeholden
21.58.28 #       <midknight2k3> wtf
21.58.30 #       <midknight2k3> track
21.58.30 #       <Jt1> don't bother with him
21.58.33 #       <Jt1> mikeholden
21.58.34 #       <midknight2k3> track hates mikeholden
21.58.44 #       <midknight2k3> i think he loves him
21.58.49 #       <midknight2k3> he says his name all day
21.58.54 #       <Jt1> Fuck you mid#
21.58.55 #       <Jt1> :-)
21.58.59 #       <_Laurent> ok I see
21.59.04 #       <Jt1> i DO NOT love him
21.59.10 #       <_Laurent> wars begin this way ;)
21.59.17 #       <midknight2k3> track
21.59.18 #       <midknight2k3> you do
21.59.20 #       <midknight2k3> and you know it
21.59.26 #       <Jt1> bullshit
21.59.27 #       <Jt1> midknight
21.59.41 #       <Jt1> go and work on ur polyphonic ringtones
21.59.42 #       <Jt1> :P
21.59.47 #       <midknight2k3> :v)
21.59.56 #       <midknight2k3> track likes mike holden
21.59.59 #       <midknight2k3> :D
22.00.01 #       <Jt1> i DO NOT!!!!
22.00.08 #       <midknight2k3> then stop referring people to him
22.00.10 #       <midknight2k3> all day
22.00.26 #       <Jt1> mid only cos u like the_dude02 so much
22.00.27 #       <Jt1> :P
22.00.36 #       <midknight2k3> are you KIDDING ME
22.00.54 #       <midknight2k3> YOU DFAD
22.00.59 #       <midknight2k3> YOU LOVE MIKEHOLDEN
22.01.12 #       <midknight2k3> so muc you made a sourceforge nick "mikeh0lden"
22.01.13 #       <Jt1> FUCK YOU!!!
22.01.17 #       <Jt1> I do NOT!!
22.01.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.01.21 #       <midknight2k3> lolol
22.01.24 #       <midknight2k3> you're funny
22.01.35 #       <Jt1> lol
22.01.36 #       <midknight2k3> you're funny when you lie
22.01.45 #       <Jt1> shaddup
22.02.20 #       <midknight2k3> i bet you want mikeholden tonight
22.02.44 #       <_Laurent> hey i didn't thought rockbox was so hot
22.02.58 #       <_Laurent> :)
22.03.16 #       <midknight2k3> i bet Jt1 can almost taste mikeholden's sweet lips
22.03.16 #       <Jt1> midknight be quiet
22.04.29 #       <Jt1> lol LCD screens
22.04.56 #       <midknight2k3> lol mikeholdenandtrack
22.05.27 #       <Jt1> ok
22.05.59 #       <Jt1> one midknight and his iPod
22.07.02 #       <Jt1> Hahahaha!
22.07.10 #       <midknight2k3> ipods are nice
22.07.15 #       <midknight2k3> but i'd prefer an archos
22.07.29 #       <_Laurent> ipods are awfully expensive
22.07.50 #       <midknight2k3> i know
22.07.59 #       <midknight2k3> id rather a jbrec 20
22.08.21 #       <_Laurent> apart from firewire and AAC it can do pretty much the same as an ipod
22.08.26 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
22.08.31 #       <Jt1> midknight what u said the other day was so cheesy it made me reach for the bucket
22.08.43 #       <midknight2k3> what was that, track?
22.09.02 #       <Jt1> "I couldn't wish for anything else other than an archos"
22.09.54 #       <midknight2k3> which day was this?
22.10.01 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
22.10.04 #       <midknight2k3> reach for the bucket
22.10.37 #       <Jt1> u said that to me in PM when u got the vid clips working
22.11.07 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.11.13 #       <midknight2k3> let me have a look at the logs
22.11.22 #       <Jt1> u said that in PM
22.11.29 #       <midknight2k3> like i said
22.11.30 #       <midknight2k3> let me have a look at the logs
22.12.02 #       <Jt1> if u want to look at logs visit a lumberjack's shed
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22.13.12 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.13.12 #       <midknight2k3> ok
22.13.16 #       <midknight2k3> i dont see anything
22.13.17 #       <_Laurent> huh, I see there's some interest for the gmini at least : http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=856557
22.13.28 #       <midknight2k3> 15:56:02 | <track> Everyone in the shop today was buying ipods!!!
22.13.34 #       <midknight2k3> 15:59:51 | <track> I held the Gmini today
22.13.39 #       <midknight2k3> thats why he knew about the peak meters
22.14.12 #       <midknight2k3> 11:16:53 | <track> i should file a dodhy request under mikeh0lden
22.14.20 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
22.15.16 #       <midknight2k3> 15:10:15 | <track> File a request "Make the Gmini plugins work on the Recorder"
22.15.48 #       <Dogger> gmini is pants
22.15.52 #       <Dogger> get an iPod instead
22.15.58 #       <midknight2k3> UCK
22.16.01 #       <midknight2k3> DOGGEr
22.16.03 #       <Dogger> it has decent firmware and open source firmware
22.16.07 #       <midknight2k3> how could you stoop so low
22.16.08 #       <_Laurent> Dogger: give me the extra money and i'll do ;)
22.16.16 #       <midknight2k3> 13:20:18 | <track> the new Nomad is really sexy
22.16.27 #       <Dogger> cos iPod rules
22.16.45 #       <Dogger> they even..... get this..... have technical support!!!!!! Something Archos can only dream of having
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22.17.22 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.17.23 #       <midknight2k3> he left
22.17.29 #       <midknight2k3> cause i started pasting his secrets
22.17.40 #       <midknight2k3> dogger: i thought you'd never stoop so low
22.17.49 #       <Dogger> midknight2k3: you know its true
22.18.16 #       <midknight2k3> i know it SUCKS
22.18.24 #       <midknight2k3> i cant believe you
22.18.30 #       <midknight2k3> you got an IPOD?!
22.18.38 #       <midknight2k3> our friendship is soiled!
22.18.40 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.20.33 #       <Dogger> yes I got an iPod
22.20.36 #       <Dogger> they are sexy
22.20.40 #       <Dogger> and the best mp3 player
22.20.48 #       <midknight2k3> they SUCK
22.20.51 #       <Dogger> av300 is the best (practically only) video player
22.21.01 #       <midknight2k3> ipod sucks
22.21.03 #       <midknight2k3> get a karma instead
22.21.07 #       <_Laurent> functionality speaking, rockbox with an archos does the same
22.21.14 #       <_Laurent> (and possibly more)
22.21.24 #       <midknight2k3> a LOT more
22.21.31 #       <midknight2k3> video playback, lots of games, custom wps
22.21.32 #       <_Laurent> so why would a more expensive ipod be interesting ?
22.21.33 #       <midknight2k3> custom font
22.21.41 #       <midknight2k3> dont get me going
22.21.42 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.21.44 #       <_Laurent> :)
22.22.14 #       <_Laurent> ok, an ipod with rockbox on it would be better than an archos
22.22.32 #       <_Laurent> because of firewire and probably AAC which seems to be done via hardware
22.22.56 #       <midknight2k3> whatever
22.23.14 #       <_Laurent> but it'd still be expensive
22.23.39 #       <midknight2k3> dfasa
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22.39.45 #       <arspy87> hey all
22.39.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi
22.40.00 #       <arspy87> ..and midk too
22.40.17 #       <midknight2k3> hey
22.40.28 #       <Trakk> hi
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22.43.37 #       <midknight2k3> hi kurz
22.43.38 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yeah. I can split mp3s on the recorder now.
22.43.58 #       <midknight2k3> ?????
22.44.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I made a plugin for splitting mp3 files with a graphical osci gui.
22.45.09 #       <midknight2k3> oooh
22.45.11 #       <midknight2k3> coooool
22.45.18 #       <midknight2k3> can i see
22.47.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> have a look at http://www.carangg.de/splitedit.zip
22.48.42 #       <midknight2k3> oo ooo oooo ooo
22.49.03 #       <midknight2k3> you need new ajbrec?
22.49.37 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes, I had to do modifications right down to mpeg.h. Linus will beat me.
22.49.44 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.49.58 #       <midknight2k3> testing
22.50.09 #       <midknight2k3> er
22.50.11 #       <midknight2k3> thats for rec?
22.50.17 #       <midknight2k3> i have fm
22.50.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes. For rec only
22.50.24 #       <midknight2k3> NOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
22.50.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> wait, I think I can compile it for fm, too
22.50.44 #       <midknight2k3> pls
22.50.45 #       <midknight2k3> do
22.50.45 #       <midknight2k3> wait
22.50.54 #       <midknight2k3> i just ran the splitedit
22.50.58 #       <midknight2k3> and it said IllInstr
22.51.02 #       <midknight2k3> and then it roloed something
22.51.06 #       <midknight2k3> for some reason
22.51.25 #       <midknight2k3> are you making for fm
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22.52.35 #       <midknight2k3> i've got to go
22.52.39 #       <midknight2k3> unless its building
22.52.49 #       <kurzhaarrocker> it is
22.52.57 #       <midknight2k3> is it fast? lol
22.53.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It could use more speed 
22.53.36 #       <midknight2k3> hurry it along
22.55.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> its uploading www.carangg.de/fm_splitedit.zip
22.55.31 #       <midknight2k3> let me know when its up
22.55.32 #       <midknight2k3> or is it
22.55.44 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Don't use it on files you haven't backuped before. Its not been testet much.
22.55.59 #       <midknight2k3> ok
22.56.03 #       <midknight2k3> done?
22.56.06 #       <kurzhaarrocker> should be up now
22.56.14 #       <midknight2k3> ok
22.56.25 #       <midknight2k3> hurr hurry lol
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22.56.28 #       <midknight2k3> 45%
22.56.31 #       <midknight2k3> 55%
22.56.34 #       <midknight2k3> 75
22.56.36 #       <kurzhaarrocker> What are you running for?
22.56.38 #       <midknight2k3> 90
22.56.40 #       <midknight2k3> done
22.56.46 #       <midknight2k3> ?
22.56.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Why are you in a hurry?
22.57.00 #       <midknight2k3> just gota go
22.57.10 #       <midknight2k3> done
22.57.13 #       <midknight2k3> bye all
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22.57.16 #       <kurzhaarrocker> use on your own risk
23.02.14 #       <arspy87> g2g, back in 30
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23.03.07 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Holy cow! When I look at the patch tracker I should be glad if my split editor will make it in before xmas 2004!
23.17.07 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Have the founders of rockbox all gone on holyday?
23.17.49 #       <_Laurent> perhaps they work ;)
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23.27.19 #       * kurzhaarrocker let's them work while he goes sleeping.
23.27.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cu
23.27.32 #       <_Laurent> cu
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