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00.00.25 Join    arspy87 [0] (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com)
00.00.34 #       <arspy87> hey guys
00.01.15 #       <diddystar5> hey
00.01.15 #       <Bluechip> hi spy
00.01.22 #       <arspy87> lol... hi spy
00.01.48 #       <Sebulba02> lets see if i totally broke this yet
00.02.10 #       <Sebulba02> yep
00.02.15 #       <arspy87> Seb: what is it?
00.02.21 #       <Sebulba02> rockbox
00.02.25 #       <arspy87> ah
00.02.30 #       <Sebulba02> I'm *attempting* to hack in timezone
00.02.33 #       <Sebulba02> s
00.02.49 #       <arspy87> ooh, that would be cool, to have timezones
00.03.09 #       <Sebulba02> yeah, but I totally don't get how this stuff is drawn
00.03.21 #       <diddystar5> what stuff
00.03.22 #       <diddystar5> ?
00.03.27 #       <diddystar5> display?
00.03.36 #       <Sebulba02> settings.c:1880 ish, yeah
00.04.19 #       <Sebulba02> I understand the snprintf into the buffer, but how it keeps track of which option its on, I don't see.
00.04.22 #       * arspy87 wishes he had an archos
00.04.53 #       <Bluechip> hey, ars dude, I uploaded the new win32sim patch ;)
00.04.54 #       <diddystar5> why are you here then? :)
00.05.01 #       <diddystar5> cool Bluechip
00.05.05 #       <diddystar5> what does it do?
00.05.13 Quit    kurzhaarrocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00.05.17 #       <Bluechip> go read...
00.05.17 #       <arspy87> diddy: i'm just midknight2k3's friend, lol
00.06.02 #       <diddystar5> ohh
00.06.07 #       <diddystar5> me to :)
00.06.08 #       <arspy87> i'd get an ajbrec if i could find it at some retailer somewhere...
00.06.11 #       <arspy87> :)
00.06.13 #       <diddystar5> does he talk about me
00.06.15 #       <diddystar5> ?
00.06.18 #       <Bluechip> amazon
00.06.30 #       <arspy87> how much do they go for these days?
00.06.42 #       <Sebulba02> $200ish, depending
00.06.48 #       <Bluechip> 6gb was 140 i think
00.06.50 #       <arspy87> diddy: he hasn't mentioned you as far as i remember ;)
00.06.55 #       <diddystar5> heh
00.06.59 #       <arspy87> ooh not bad
00.07.13 #       <Bluechip> in six months they will not exist any more i reckon
00.07.42 #       <arspy87> this topic has probably come up before, but will rockbox come on the new archoses?
00.08.00 #       * Sebulba02 ponders breaking out the -CRAPd cvs flags.
00.08.04 #       <diddystar5> not rockbox
00.08.21 #       <diddystar5> but avos is being made for the av 300's
00.08.28 #       <Bluechip> depends on how things go with archos being funny about it
00.08.50 #       <arspy87> is archos blocking the source on the new players or something?
00.09.16 #       <Bluechip> you should read the news group
00.09.28 #       <_Laurent> what news group ?
00.09.31 #       <Bluechip> your last two q's have been the topic of in-depth conversations there
00.09.37 #       <Bluechip> rockbox news group
00.09.44 #       <_Laurent> huh ?
00.09.51 #       <Sebulba02> I've yet to get a message from them.
00.09.52 #       <arspy87> cool, i'll go there
00.09.56 #       <Sebulba02> The list, that is.
00.10.05 #       <_Laurent> ah, the list
00.10.36 Join    kurzhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Be181.b.pppool.de)
00.10.46 #       <arspy87> hey kurz
00.10.47 #       <_Laurent> I was beginning to think that I was not only dumb but also blind ;)
00.10.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't understand c
00.11.02 #       <arspy87> kurz: me neither!
00.11.05 #       <Bluechip> which reference book do you own?
00.11.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Not any single one
00.11.32 #       <Bluechip> I *may* have spotted your problem
00.11.48 #       <kurzhaarrocker> My problem started when I wanted to include settings.h in plugin.h
00.12.14 #       <Bluechip> don't know that particular error message
00.12.15 #       <arspy87> can you do that? include includes?
00.12.16 #       <Sebulba02> why would that cause issues?
00.12.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Some very clever man thought it was a good idea to make an enum
00.12.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> enum optiontype { OPT_INT, OPT_BOOL };
00.12.33 #       <arspy87> include in includes*
00.12.37 #       <kurzhaarrocker> No, it was enum optiontype { INT, BOOL };
00.12.41 #       <Sebulba02> yes, you can
00.13.07 #       <kurzhaarrocker> But as soon as you have windows.h, too you have BOOL INT and some other stuff redefined.
00.13.16 #       <arspy87> hmm, too bad i can't get it to work in html haha
00.13.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> So -> simulator didn't work. I thought the best idea was to rename these things to OPT_XXX
00.15.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> And what happened? id3.c doesn't compile because it claims undefined references to DEBUGF. How can that be? The file - as well as the includes are untouched!
00.15.05 #       <Bluechip> what OS
00.15.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> xp with cygwin.
00.15.21 #       <Sebulba02> ohh, its a news:// list , not a mailing list?
00.15.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> When I compile the clean cvs it works
00.15.30 #       <Bluechip> does a tarball compile okay?
00.15.41 #       <Bluechip> right, so it's your edit somehow
00.16.12 #       <Bluechip> which files did you edit?
00.16.18 #       <_Laurent> is anyone living in florida here ?
00.16.24 #       <Sebulba02> I am.
00.16.34 #       <Bluechip> lucky B*
00.16.36 #       <Sebulba02> Right smack in the middle of it.
00.16.46 #       <Sebulba02> Bluechip: I don't think so, *shrugs*
00.16.50 #       <arspy87> how's the weather there Seb?
00.16.53 #       <_Laurent> how long is it since it's night where you are approximately ?
00.16.53 #       <Bluechip> trade you ANY day
00.17.01 #       <Sebulba02> hot as f*ck, usually
00.17.13 #       <Sebulba02> about an hour, maybe
00.17.16 #       <Bluechip> You would LOVE UK
00.17.16 #       <arspy87> it's freezing in the northeast
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00.17.30 #       <Sebulba02> dude, i'd love anywhere but here
00.17.34 #       <_Laurent> ok, thanks
00.17.36 #       <Bluechip> dark, miserable, cloudy, windy, cold :)
00.17.45 #       <Bluechip> everything is overpriced
00.17.51 #       <Sebulba02> heh
00.17.57 #       <Bluechip> petrol is about $10/Gallan
00.17.58 #       <Bluechip> on
00.17.59 #       <arspy87>  haha
00.18.04 #       <Sebulba02> gah
00.18.10 #       <Bluechip> shop-tax is 17.5%
00.18.14 #       <Sebulba02> its different there, your govt pays for a lot of crap
00.18.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> modified  files:
00.18.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/playlist_menu.c 
00.18.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/plugin.c 
00.18.20 DBUG    Enqueued KICK kurzhaarrocker
00.18.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/plugin.h 
00.18.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/settings.c 
00.18.20 ***     Alert Mode level 1
00.18.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/settings.h 
00.18.22 #       <arspy87> i wish there was a Fry's in the northeast but there isnt
00.18.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/settings_menu.c 
00.18.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M apps/sound_menu.c 
00.18.25 #       <Bluechip> income tax & NI is about 33%
00.18.26 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M firmware/mpeg.c 
00.18.28 #       <kurzhaarrocker> M firmware/export/mpeg.h 
00.18.33 #       <Sebulba02> ack
00.18.49 #       <arspy87> Blue: wow
00.20.08 #       <Bluechip> ciggies are about $9 for 20
00.20.24 #       <Sebulba02> I don't smoke.
00.20.34 #       <diddystar5> heh
00.20.38 #       <diddystar5> "ciggies"
00.20.49 #       <Bluechip> i would say "fags" but ....
00.20.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't see a single file that is included by id3.c
00.20.57 #       <Sebulba02> heh
00.21.17 #       <Bluechip> lucky you dont drink either at about $10/pint
00.21.31 #       <arspy87> slang is crazy between US/UK ;)
00.21.32 #       <Bluechip> unless you are in london ...then it is expensive
00.22.33 #       <Sebulba02> heh
00.25.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I just don't why it can compile in the clean version and not in my modified. There are no differences as far as id3.c are concerned.
00.25.28 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't see any
00.26.10 #       <Bluechip> make a patch and send it over :)
00.26.23 #       <arspy87> brb
00.27.36 #       <arspy87> kurz is it possible that whatever line you edited depended on something in the id3 file? or however nested it may be?>
00.28.04 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I have searched and didn' t see anything
00.28.10 #       <Sebulba02> god, htf did I subscribe to the wrong list?
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00.28.12 #       * kurzhaarrocker patches
00.28.21 ***     Alert Mode OFF
00.29.56 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: MAS-3587 specific features
00.29.56 #       <diddystar5> , what are those?
00.30.22 #       <Bluechip> do you have the 3587 data sheet?
00.30.44 #       <Bluechip> It's the dynamic Bass stuff
00.30.46 #       <diddystar5> and also, the reason the .rvf and .ch8 files fail it because of the #ifndef SIMULATOR
00.30.52 #       <diddystar5> ohh
00.31.20 #       <diddystar5> i know the .ch8 files work if you just remove the #ifndef simulator and the #edif for it
00.31.25 #       <diddystar5> i dunno about the rvf
00.31.38 #       <Bluechip> can you be more specific?
00.31.50 #       <Bluechip> preferably in reference to the NEW code
00.32.03 #       <arspy87> (off topic) speaking of rvf, how does the lcd handle the grayscale?
00.32.16 #       <arspy87> (like good or bad)
00.32.17 #       <Sebulba02> wtf
00.32.18 #       <Bluechip> flashing the elements I guess
00.32.34 #       <diddystar5> clode to the start of chip8.c, remove the #ifndef SIMULATOR, and a the end of the file remove #endif // #ifndef SIMULATOR
00.32.46 #       <diddystar5> arspy87, very well
00.32.48 #       <arspy87> yeah, i meant does it run nicely and are there any adverse effects from the refreshing, etc?
00.32.53 #       <arspy87> nice!
00.33.09 #       <diddystar5> its not the best looking but it is amasing
00.33.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> www.carangg.de/spliteditor_rec.zip
00.33.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> (the patch included)
00.34.22 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: i already have apatch out that enable the chip8 for the simulator, you can just see that
00.34.40 #       <diddystar5> but just forget the part i cahnges in firmware/drivers/lcd-recorder.c
00.35.17 #       * diddystar5 can;t type well today
00.35.37 #       <Bluechip> i gotta eat now - will check that l8r :)
00.35.37 #       <Sebulba02> that t1 getting to your head ;)
00.35.46 Nick    Bluechip is now known as bc|bbl (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
00.35.46 DBUG    Enqueued KICK bc|bbl
00.35.53 #       <kurzhaarrocker> eating *sigh*
00.36.02 #       <bc|bbl> ???
00.36.15 #       <diddystar5> bc|bbl: here is the link to that patch http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=842608&group_id=44306&atid=439120
00.36.17 #       <kurzhaarrocker> me has the shit's since 3 days
00.36.26 #       <Sebulba02> that sucks
00.36.26 #       <bc|bbl> oh :(
00.36.27 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't want to eat
00.36.42 #       <arspy87> kurz: :(
00.36.44 #       <diddystar5> uhh k
00.36.51 #       <diddystar5> well   im gotta go
00.36.55 #       <diddystar5> see you guys later
00.37.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cu
00.37.08 #       <arspy87> cya diddy
00.37.20 #       <diddystar5> bye arspy87 bc|bbl kurzhaarrocker
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00.41.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> mpeg.c uses lots of DEBUGF and doesn't complain.
00.43.13 #       <Sebulba02> uh, yeah, theres a bug with the mailing list process
00.43.38 #       <kurzhaarrocker> What does it do?
00.43.53 #       <Sebulba02> more of what it doesn't do.
00.44.27 #       <Sebulba02> " Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it:" and its blank afterwards.. i'm assuming that would contain the send list info and whatnot.
00.45.12 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hm.
00.46.18 #       <Sebulba02> weird, eh?
00.47.08 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I already deleted the welcome mail. I have no idea what was in it.
00.47.38 #       <Sebulba02> I always save it.
00.50.51 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00.50.51 #       * kurzhaarrocker gives up for today
00.51.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> how late is it in florida?
00.52.21 #       <Sebulba02> 7pm-ish
00.52.30 #       <Sebulba02> 7 mins til
00.52.31 #       <arspy87> 6:52 EST
00.52.44 #       <Sebulba02> Okay, so my alarm clock is off.
00.52.54 #       <kurzhaarrocker> :)
00.53.31 #       <kurzhaarrocker> well, here it's 0:53. I think I'll have a nap now.
00.53.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cu
00.53.43 #       <_Laurent> kurzhaarrocker: are you in germany ?
00.53.46 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes
00.54.13 #       <Sebulba02> good night (in german)
00.54.13 #       <_Laurent> same time than france that's how I guessed + "kurz" :)
00.54.23 #       <_Laurent> got to go to sleep too
00.54.32 #       <_Laurent> good bye everyone
00.54.38 #       <Sebulba02> 'morning
00.54.41 #       <_Laurent> :)
00.54.52 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Gute Nacht! Bonne nuit! (?)
00.55.17 #       <_Laurent> gute nach auch ! Bonne nuit ist perfekt ;)
00.55.20 #       <Sebulba02> beats me
00.55.26 #       <_Laurent> what ?
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01.55.27 #       <Bluechip> Hey go Linus - have a good one?
01.56.06 #       <LinusN> sure, how about you?
01.56.20 #       <Bluechip> great thanks - remote control car :)
01.56.32 #       <LinusN> :-)
01.56.33 #       <Bluechip> and new computer chair (to be selected by me)
01.56.43 #       <LinusN> nice
01.57.11 #       <Bluechip> and to be chuffed with myself - i got the rest of the win32sim stuff working :)
01.57.25 #       <Bluechip> so YES, I had a very good one thanks :)
01.57.33 #       <LinusN> why did you rmeove the "archos" dir?
01.57.41 #       <Bluechip> there seemed no use for it
01.57.46 #       <Bluechip> it was used by nothing
01.58.04 #       <LinusN> it is the root of the simulated HD
01.58.23 #       <Sebulba02> heh
01.58.32 #       <Bluechip> the disk browser starts in the root of my hard drive
01.58.44 #       <Bluechip> ...always did
01.58.53 #       <LinusN> that's a bug
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01.59.00 #       <Bluechip> ahhhhhh
01.59.08 #       <LinusN> :-)
01.59.10 #       <Sebulba02> fixed it the wrong way :P
01.59.30 #       <Bluechip> lol
01.59.59 #       <Bluechip> i find it helpful - then I can just find my mp3 dir on my hdd D:\MUSIC\
02.00.17 #       <Bluechip> I  can change it though, if it would be preferred
02.01.05 #       <LinusN> i think it's better with a custom dir
02.01.06 #       <Bluechip> My view is ...when you work in two or three source trees you will need multiple copies of the "disk image"
02.01.24 #       <LinusN> maybe some kind of setting, like a .INI file?
02.01.35 #       <Bluechip> hmmmm
02.01.53 #       <Bluechip> ahaa ...
02.02.05 #       <Bluechip> put back the archos folder and make .rockbox off of that automagically
02.02.32 #       <Bluechip> then, if you prefer, you can make the archos folder yourself as a symlink to whereever the heck you like?
02.02.36 #       <LinusN> yeah, and make the plugins in archos/.rockbox/rocks
02.02.56 #       <LinusN> mayhe %ARCHOS%/.rockbox
02.03.11 #       <LinusN> $ARCHOS in linux
02.03.19 #       <Bluechip> that works
02.03.22 #       <Bluechip> too
02.03.31 #       <LinusN> or maybe $PLAYERDIR and $RECORDERDIR
02.03.34 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.04.06 #       <LinusN> sometimes i need different trees for different models
02.04.23 #       <Sebulba02> .oO( Good luck on that :) )
02.04.58 #       <Bluechip> okay - i can understand that ...not long before the NEO becomes a relevant consideration too
02.05.18 #       <scott666> and the fm/v2?
02.05.26 #       <Bluechip> fm & v2 are recorders
02.05.56 #       <Bluechip> gotta take a look at the Player screen IO sometime - I'm sure it's not right
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02.06.30 #       <Bluechip> ...but not knowing what I am aiming for...
02.10.02 #       <Bluechip> so would the user be required to know to SET PLAYER=C:\    SET RECORDER=D:\  during install ...or would we ask about this during 'configure'
02.11.02 #       <LinusN> configure would be a great place, with ./archos as default
02.11.02 #       <Sebulba02> export PLAYER=$variable :)
02.11.52 #       <Bluechip> or maybe insist on /home/rockbox/player_hdd and /home/rockbox/recorder_hdd  ???
02.11.59 #       <Bluechip> just bouncing all ideas
02.12.48 #       <LinusN> not sure
02.13.16 #       <Bluechip> i suppose the essence here is ...should all source trees use the same hdd structure?
02.13.20 #       <LinusN> i am kind of used to the current concept...
02.14.26 #       <Bluechip> that's fair
02.16.42 #       <Bluechip> I am doing some audio stuff atm, i will wait a day or two for other feedback and make changes then :)
02.18.26 #       <LinusN> are you doing MDB fine tuning?
02.18.49 #       <Bluechip> Yes,
02.19.02 #       <Bluechip> also redoing the audio screen in general
02.19.38 #       <Bluechip> also user defined stereo seperation
02.19.51 #       <LinusN> i have done mdb fine tuning, and we also have another patch for it, what's your approach?
02.20.13 #       <Bluechip> oh! not seen it ....I was thinking of a dynamic graph
02.20.46 #       <LinusN> i was thinking of only selecting the cutoff frequency and the strength
02.20.58 #       <LinusN> as user options
02.21.04 #       <Bluechip> i'm going for a full blown register level setup
02.21.26 #       <Bluechip> I imagine that only techie users will enjoy it
02.21.37 #       <LinusN> my thinking is this: the average user won't have a clue what do do
02.22.00 #       <Bluechip> qed
02.22.02 #       <Bluechip> :)
02.22.08 #       <LinusN> but setting the cutoff freq to match the earphones/speakers would suffice
02.22.51 #       <Bluechip> If peple like the new interface in general, then perhaps a few defaults, as with stereo seperation
02.23.08 #       <Bluechip> user/techie mode
02.23.52 #       <LinusN> maybe, but what if you tweak it in expert mode and then switch to novice mode, what would the setting show?
02.24.14 #       <LinusN> (custom) or something?
02.24.36 #       <Bluechip> "Custom"
02.24.38 #       <Bluechip> yes
02.25.02 #       <Bluechip> atm the advanced screens are under the PLAY button
02.26.18 #       <LinusN> i'll await your patch and judge from that
02.26.25 #       <Bluechip> sure
02.26.43 #       <LinusN> the settings screen really needs a touchup
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02.27.05 #       <Bluechip> well, if what have in my head looks as good on the screen, then it will be a pleasant surprise :)
02.27.50 #       <trakk> hi
02.28.04 #       <Bluechip> ho
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02.45.54 #       <c0utta> hey guys
02.45.59 #       <LinusN> hi
02.46.07 #       <Bluechip> evenin
02.46.14 #       <c0utta> i haven't spoken to you in about 2 years linus
02.46.28 #       <LinusN> oh
02.46.55 #       <c0utta> i reckon i was one of the 1st to have a recorder 6gb working
02.47.09 #       <LinusN> ah
02.47.22 #       <c0utta> no sound at that stage, just the early WPS
02.48.07 #       <LinusN> a true veteran :-)
02.48.11 #       <c0utta> i've just started reviewing the code for rockbox and would like to contribute
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02.48.16 #       * Bluechip steps back in awe
02.48.42 #       <c0utta> Bluechip: steeping back cos i'm a veteran ? or wanting to contribute ?
02.48.56 #       <c0utta> steeping=stepping
02.48.59 #       <Bluechip> in respect for the veteran
02.49.28 #       <c0utta> linus was emailing be ajz files to check for ata problems
02.49.38 #       <c0utta> be=me dyslexic fingers...
02.50.12 #       <c0utta> anyway, i'd like to map Fn keys.  does anyone here have an approach ?
02.50.37 #       <LinusN> not really, what are you trying to accomplish?
02.50.43 #       <c0utta> i'm a novice c programmer - used to be intermediate but haven't done it for a few years
02.50.52 #       <Bluechip> my recent thoughts are f1 main menu, f2 cutom menu, f3 context menu
02.52.35 #       <c0utta> i never use f2/f3 at all.  hardeep's browse patch has changed my life, so i wanted to map some of the functions to those keys
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02.53.07 #       <c0utta> how do you guys feel about pointers to functions ?
02.53.27 #       <c0utta> is this possible under our development environment ?
02.53.30 #       <Bluechip> ermmmm, without them the plugin systems would die
02.53.36 #       <Bluechip> yes
02.54.18 #       <c0utta> what i considered was having a table of all the allowable mappable functions
02.54.30 #       <Bluechip> yes, great idea :)
02.54.42 #       <c0utta> problem is, it could be huge!
02.55.19 #       <Bluechip> hmmmm, I don't think we have any memory problems since the plugins were all seperated from the main code
02.55.48 #       <Bluechip> but it would be an amazingly modular approach for the whole system
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02.55.53 #       <k4waii> yo
02.56.05 #       <k4waii> anyone here with an av300..? or only jbmm's...
02.56.23 #       <Bluechip> not me
02.56.28 #       <c0utta> me neither
02.56.32 #       <Sebulba02> Not I.
02.57.43 #       <c0utta> Bluechip: for example, F3-Right could be mapped directly to delete from playlist (using hardeep's functions)
02.58.37 #       <c0utta> it would bypass his playlist_viewer, but would use static functions.  this means they can't be static anymore
02.58.45 #       <c0utta> i don't know if this was his intention
02.58.49 #       <Bluechip> I thought of ...press F3, menu pops up, key items have >   >>   >| etc icons next to them
02.59.06 #       <c0utta> exactly what i'd like to do. 
02.59.23 #       <Bluechip> then if you know the shortcut you can do f3+right and never see the menu
02.59.34 #       <c0utta> adjusting the code is easy enough myself, but that's selfish
02.59.51 #       <Bluechip> selfish?
02.59.55 #       <Bluechip> ??
03.00.16 #       <c0utta> a lot of people make the request for remappable keys
03.00.18 #       <Sebulba02> Glad I'm not the only one that didn't make sense to.
03.00.28 #       <c0utta> selfish to just do it for myself
03.00.32 #       <c0utta> easier tho
03.00.52 #       <Bluechip> ah - no ...if you like the idea I proposed above then please Do The Work For Me :)))
03.01.35 #       <c0utta> Bluechip: exactly what i wanted to do
03.01.57 #       <Bluechip> LOL - oh it IS a happy Christmas :)
03.02.10 #       <Sebulba02> lol
03.02.27 #       <c0utta> is there any reason why Up/Play/On aren't used on the F2/F3 menus ?
03.02.43 #       <Bluechip> yes
03.02.50 #       <Bluechip> the kbd is in two chunks
03.03.28 #       <c0utta> chunks ??
03.03.45 #       <Bluechip> one key can be read from each "chunk"
03.04.03 #       <Bluechip> scan line?
03.04.10 #       <Bluechip> grid array?
03.04.57 #       <c0utta> are the limitations documented ?
03.04.59 #       <Sebulba02> Err.
03.05.16 #       <Bluechip> i've read it somewhere, so it must be- but ermmmmmmmmmm
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03.06.12 #       <Bluechip> check /firmware/drivers/button.c:180
03.07.49 #       <c0utta> go it
03.07.52 #       <c0utta> got it
03.08.42 #       <Bluechip> as you can tell, it's quite easy to find your way around the source, once you know it
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03.09.44 #       <LinusN> oops, didn't see the modem connection drop :-)
03.10.09 #       <Bluechip> missed some fun chat on f1/2/3 functionality
03.10.18 #       <LinusN> Bluechip: have you read the NEWKEYS document from me and bagder?
03.10.30 #       <Bluechip> no?
03.10.36 #       <Bluechip> where is it?
03.11.15 #       <LinusN> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0584.shtml
03.11.44 #       <Bluechip> lol
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03.11.57 #       <Bluechip> hey c0utta, think you better read that too
03.13.04 #       <c0utta> reading.....
03.13.37 #       <Bluechip> seems everybody had almost identical ideas - lol
03.15.21 #       <Bluechip> So, Linus, is that coded or just specced?
03.15.30 #       <LinusN> only specced
03.15.44 #       <Bluechip> righty
03.16.26 #       <Bluechip> c0utta suggested a big array of ptr-to-fn for all possible menu entries, but was concerned about memory use
03.17.21 #       <c0utta> and that some of the functions are statics..
03.17.32 #       <c0utta> well..the ones that i want to use
03.18.40 #       <LinusN> the big problem is how to handle the buttons (like the filtering of some release events etc) and avoiding stack overflows due to recursion
03.21.04 #       <Bluechip> you could call via a CALL_MENU function which would track recursion
03.22.12 #       <Bluechip> if item_previously_displayed[OPTION]==true ...
03.22.18 #       <LinusN> sort of
03.22.39 #       <LinusN> but what would it do if it was true?
03.22.57 #       <Bluechip> disable the item
03.23.02 #       <Bluechip> not display it
03.23.11 #       <LinusN> not very user friendly
03.23.26 #       <Bluechip> you could go to any option via your favourite route, but once it was displayed, any deeper and you've missed your chance
03.23.27 #       <LinusN> the user would be lost
03.23.44 #       <Bluechip> or allow it to be displayed no more than 2 or three times
03.24.09 #       <LinusN> or backtrack by returning a "go-here-instead" return code
03.24.46 #       <Bluechip> ...when the item returns, it returns to CALL_MENU which -=1 the counter on the way back out
03.25.18 #       <c0utta> sh*t, i'm lost
03.25.25 #       <Bluechip> you have four choices - remove, gray-out, donothing, display "no"
03.25.26 #       <c0utta> how would this recursion occur ?
03.25.49 #       <Bluechip> yes, that's quite a good question
03.26.18 #       <Bluechip> i can't actually think of an example
03.26.22 #       <Bluechip> (kettle) brb
03.26.24 #       <LinusN> this is why i said that this was the biggest problem
03.26.47 #       <c0utta> is it actually possible ?
03.27.03 #       <LinusN> everytime this issue (mappable keys) comes up, everyone starts talking about how the config files should look like, but that is the simples problem of them all
03.29.18 #       <Bluechip> can you identify an example where recursion could become a problem
03.29.22 #       <Bluechip> ?
03.29.44 #       <c0utta> LinusN: are you saying that recursion is possible in the keyboard code itself ?
03.30.08 #       <c0utta> or by a user selecting mutually exclusive key options ?
03.30.20 #       <LinusN> like if we allowed remapping of the Sound Settings, in which the User Menu has the Sound Settings in it (simplest case)
03.30.49 #       <Bluechip> you cannot go to the f2 menu while you are in the f1 menu
03.31.00 #       <Bluechip> good solution?
03.31.00 #       <LinusN> why not?
03.31.05 #       <c0utta> yes you can - i just did it
03.31.24 #       <Bluechip> a proposed solution for avoiding recursion
03.31.27 #       <Bluechip> ^^
03.31.43 #       <c0utta> i agree with Bluechip - F1 is the "master"
03.32.17 #       <c0utta> f2/f3 should just be "shortcuts"
03.32.48 #       <LinusN> so, let's say the user selects "Pitch Screen" from the F2 menu
03.33.01 #       <LinusN> the pitch screen has the same F1 and F2 menus
03.33.38 #       <LinusN> he then selects another screen, let's say "Recording"
03.33.41 #       <Bluechip> you cannot short-cut from a shortcut??
03.33.54 #       <LinusN> that may be confusing for the user
03.34.05 #       <Bluechip> hmmm
03.34.20 #       <Bluechip> the problem comes from using menu systems from within menu systems
03.34.26 #       <LinusN> yup
03.34.55 #       <LinusN> i'm only saying that we need to think it through
03.35.08 #       <Bluechip> maybe each situation can be tackled
03.35.15 #       <LinusN> phil has walked this path once, and he had a hard time
03.35.38 #       <LinusN> phil==kurzhaarrocker, formerly known as langhaarrocker
03.35.55 #       <LinusN> he tried to implement "soft" keys
03.35.59 #       <Bluechip> eg - only reason to go to a menu from recording is to STOP or CHANGE settings ...here I have always thought that record settings should be off the record screen
03.36.12 #       <LinusN> recording was a bad example, i know
03.36.21 #       <Bluechip> hmm
03.36.35 #       <Bluechip> but it WAS a valid case
03.36.46 #       <LinusN> yes
03.37.21 #       <Bluechip> ...and, I'd like to think, a valid solution
03.38.10 #       <Bluechip> you could put the RECORD options on F3 - context-menu
03.39.37 #       <LinusN> sure
03.40.12 #       <c0utta> if we go back to basics tho...
03.40.16 #       <Bluechip> yes
03.40.24 #       <LinusN> but should we then make the record options non-mappable?
03.40.39 #       <c0utta> a user will most probably want to use F2/F3 from either WPS or directory browser
03.40.44 #       <Bluechip> no - i do a lot of recording so I want record at the top of my user-menu (example)
03.41.02 #       <Bluechip> c0utta, yes
03.41.24 #       <c0utta> recording is more like an "
03.41.32 #       <c0utta> "application" to me.
03.42.10 #       <Bluechip> i think all plugins should be user-menu-able too, and yes, I also consider "recording" to be a built-in plugin
03.42.40 #       <c0utta> types of things i'm looking at are: delete file; delete from current playlist; add to current playlist; stuff like that.  actions, if you like...
03.42.51 #       <LinusN> Bluechip: i was talking about the recording *options*
03.42.53 #       <c0utta> i think settings are best left to F1
03.43.10 #       <Bluechip> your options there are context-options really
03.43.27 #       <c0utta> true
03.43.36 #       <Bluechip> i hate digging through the menu system to change my backlight timing
03.43.48 #       <c0utta> why do you change it so often ??
03.43.52 #       <Bluechip> I would love that on my user-favourites menu
03.44.10 #       <Bluechip> video/games/etc need backlight always on
03.44.46 #       <Bluechip> "look at my mp3 player"..."oh you'll need to keep pressing a key every 8 seconds or you wont be able to see it"
03.44.49 #       <Sebulba02> It is a pain sometimes, esp in the dark.
03.45.19 #       <Bluechip> yes, impossible to read the credits in the dark!!
03.45.44 #       <c0utta> ok, you have F2-Right set to change backlight.
03.46.07 #       <c0utta> all other keys are blocked, except left/off/up/down
03.46.13 #       <c0utta> no f1, f2, f3
03.47.21 #       <c0utta> which it is now.  backlight would be a good option
03.47.35 #       <Bluechip> im lost
03.47.54 #       <Bluechip> f2 brings up a menu like the main menu
03.48.02 #       <Bluechip> (proposed)
03.48.38 #       <c0utta> brb - baby crying
03.48.47 #       <Bluechip> NMI
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03.50.46 #       <Sebulba02> non-maskable interrupt?
03.51.06 #       <c0utta> NMI ?
03.51.06 #       <Bluechip> indeed
03.51.06 #       <LinusN> fyi, i am working on new menu code for this purpose
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04.03.11 #       <c0utta> i'm going to go, but i'll have a play over the next few weeks with keyboard mapping
04.03.23 #       <Bluechip> cool - stay safe
04.03.36 #       <c0utta> my needs are obviously simpler than everyone else's tho....
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04.04.01 #       <c0utta> i just mapped F3-Right to "remove from playlist".  works perfectly
04.04.05 #       <Bluechip> hmm, I'm not sure I have grasped the source of the problem yet
04.04.25 #       <c0utta> for simple use (like mine) there isn't a problem.
04.04.54 #       <Bluechip> I think we need a base to work from,so go4it :)
04.04.58 #       <c0utta> more complicated use really highlights it tho...
04.05.25 #       <c0utta> by the way, my JBR has been hanging a fair bit lately
04.05.34 #       <Bluechip> betteries?
04.05.40 #       <c0utta> only the last month - i wondered whether it was RLD
04.05.48 #       <c0utta> batteries are fine - 90%
04.06.06 #       <c0utta> gets near the end of track and then hangs - i suspect it's loading the next track
04.06.22 #       <LinusN> is the red led lit?
04.06.39 #       <c0utta> yes - it's sort of flashing
04.06.55 #       <LinusN> then it isn't rld
04.07.18 #       <c0utta> when i resume it does the same thing
04.07.26 #       <LinusN> maybe a problem with the track, like a bug in the id3 code?
04.07.49 #       <LinusN> do you shuffle?
04.07.54 #       <c0utta> yes
04.08.35 #       <LinusN> maybe it is just a track that makes rockbox freak out
04.08.43 #       <LinusN> try to figure out which one
04.09.08 #       <c0utta> since i'm shuffling i can't see what the next track is.
04.09.37 #       <LinusN> with some effort, you can see it in the resume info
04.10.03 #       <c0utta> using the magic shuffling formula ?
04.10.31 #       <Bluechip> I like the shuffle algorithm
04.10.39 #       <c0utta> i'll turn off shuffle and see what happens
04.10.52 #       <c0utta> FF/RW work, but it just returns to the same point in the track.
04.11.14 #       <LinusN> huh?
04.11.29 #       <LinusN> long track?
04.11.34 #       <LinusN> VBR?
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04.12.04 #       <c0utta> neither
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04.12.52 #       <c0utta> eg. hangs at 2:53/3:00.  RW to 0:00/3:00 and it instantly returns to 2:53
04.13.14 #       <c0utta> FF to 3:00/3:00 and it instantly returns to 2:53
04.13.31 #       <c0utta> i can't skip track forward or backward tho..
04.13.49 #       <Bluechip> Linus, it is strict codeing standard to have ALL plugin code in a single.c, no .h's or anything?
04.13.53 #       <LinusN> sure sounds like rld...
04.14.29 #       <LinusN> Bluechip: should be ok, any special thoughts?
04.14.41 #       <c0utta> JBR6 upgraded to Toshiba 60GB.  worked fine up until a month ago.  you may be onto something with ID3 tho.
04.14.57 #       <c0utta> c-ya guys.  going to watch the cricket
04.15.02 #       <LinusN> cu
04.15.14 #       <Bluechip> Linus: I just want to put all my graphics definitions in a seperate file for tidy code
04.15.28 #       <LinusN> ah
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04.15.52 #       <Bluechip> Linus: I did it with othelo, but they were all merged when it was plugin-ified
04.15.57 #       <LinusN> the Makefile expects all plugins to be one file, else it doesn't know which files to link
04.16.31 #       <LinusN> so it's technical rather than political
04.16.36 #       <Bluechip> is one .c and one .h okay?
04.16.50 #       <Bluechip> will updating the .h cause a recompile?
04.17.13 #       <LinusN> not sure, try it
04.17.21 #       <Bluechip> will do
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05.06.09 #       <LinusN> goodnight!
05.06.18 #       <Bluechip> gnite m8
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07.02.56 #       <midknight2k3> hi a;;
07.03.00 #       <midknight2k3> all*
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08.02.57 #       <MiChAeLoL> lol whats with the bs on slashdot
08.03.07 #       <midknight2k3> ?
08.03.09 #       <midknight2k3> hey !
08.03.11 #       <midknight2k3> i remember you
08.03.31 #       <MiChAeLoL> i remember you too
08.03.36 #       <midknight2k3> lol
08.03.45 #       <midknight2k3> what about the slashdot "bs"?
08.03.59 #       <MiChAeLoL> it playing video
08.04.05 #       <midknight2k3> it does
08.04.07 #       <MiChAeLoL> at 60fps
08.04.10 #       <midknight2k3> whats your question?
08.04.13 #       <midknight2k3> 70FPS actually
08.04.17 #       <MiChAeLoL> how so?
08.04.21 #       <midknight2k3> how so what
08.04.26 #       <MiChAeLoL> does it do it
08.04.29 #       <midknight2k3> yes
08.04.36 #       <midknight2k3> lcd blitting
08.04.39 #       <midknight2k3> is your archos around
08.04.42 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea
08.04.44 #       <MiChAeLoL> right here
08.04.51 #       <midknight2k3> get new rockbox
08.04.54 #       <midknight2k3> unzip to your box
08.05.01 #       <MiChAeLoL> what format does it play?
08.05.18 #       * MiChAeLoL is very suprized
08.05.52 #       <midknight2k3> .rvf
08.05.55 #       <midknight2k3> rockbox video file
08.06.03 #       <midknight2k3> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/doom/doom.zip
08.06.06 #       <midknight2k3> get that
08.06.06 #       <MiChAeLoL> are there tools to convert files to that?
08.06.21 #       <midknight2k3> yes, but they need to be 112*64 avi files first
08.06.44 #       <MiChAeLoL> so i would have to crop an avi then
08.06.51 #       <midknight2k3> resize...
08.06.56 #       <MiChAeLoL> so its 112*64
08.07.01 #       <MiChAeLoL> then convert it to .rvf
08.07.01 #       <midknight2k3> right.
08.07.04 #       <midknight2k3> right.
08.07.06 #       <MiChAeLoL> any demo movies?
08.07.11 #       <midknight2k3> yes
08.07.13 #       <midknight2k3> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/doom/doom.zip
08.07.20 #       <MiChAeLoL> what i just downloaded?
08.07.24 #       <MiChAeLoL> ahhh on the rockbox
08.07.24 #       <midknight2k3> doom.zip
08.07.27 #       * MiChAeLoL changes it
08.07.31 #       <midknight2k3> changes what
08.07.36 #       <MiChAeLoL> the firmware
08.07.36 #       <midknight2k3> you want new rockbox too
08.07.40 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea
08.07.46 #       <midknight2k3> and the file:
08.07.47 #       <midknight2k3> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/doom/
08.07.49 #       <MiChAeLoL> ever get a decent text editor in it?
08.07.51 #       <midknight2k3> er
08.07.51 #       <MiChAeLoL> got the file
08.07.53 #       <midknight2k3> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/doom/doom.zip
08.07.57 #       <midknight2k3> got the doom thign?
08.09.44 #       <MiChAeLoL> yep
08.09.49 #       <MiChAeLoL> getting a newer rockbox
08.09.49 #       <midknight2k3> put to your box
08.09.52 #       <MiChAeLoL> 2.1?
08.09.56 #       <midknight2k3> newer
08.09.58 #       <midknight2k3> daily build
08.09.59 #       <midknight2k3> full
08.10.31 #       <MiChAeLoL> yep
08.10.32 #       <MiChAeLoL> getting it
08.10.49 #       <MiChAeLoL> did they get the mp3 chip details or somethign then
08.10.55 #       <MiChAeLoL> like how did they do this
08.11.01 #       <MiChAeLoL> cause 70fps is pretty fast
08.11.01 #       <midknight2k3> LCD blitting
08.11.09 #       <midknight2k3> super fast flicking of the pixels
08.11.12 #       <midknight2k3> GRAYSCALE
08.11.12 #       <MiChAeLoL> ic
08.11.27 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea but like what decodes it
08.11.33 #       <midknight2k3> its uncompressed
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08.14.29 #       <MiChAeLo1> heh computer randomly restarts when i plug in the usb sometimes
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08.14.35 #       <midknight2k3> lol
08.14.53 #       <MiChAeLoL> think its cause of my shittie 7 dollar usb 2.0 card i got for the rockbox
08.15.16 #       <MiChAeLoL> so about how big are .rvf files
08.15.26 #       <midknight2k3> hmm
08.15.29 #       <MiChAeLoL> like 1 hr of video = ?
08.15.29 #       <midknight2k3> like..
08.15.38 #       <MiChAeLoL> and is there sound
08.15.41 #       <midknight2k3> i know about 1 min = 1.5MB
08.15.43 #       <midknight2k3> no sound yet
08.15.44 #       <MiChAeLoL> cool
08.15.47 #       <midknight2k3> :(
08.15.48 #       <midknight2k3> soon
08.15.50 #       <midknight2k3> i think
08.15.53 #       <MiChAeLoL> there will be tho right?
08.15.55 #       <MiChAeLoL> nice
08.16.04 #       <midknight2k3> soon yes i believe
08.16.05 #       <MiChAeLoL> does it use a lot of the ram?
08.16.11 #       <midknight2k3> its a plugin
08.16.15 #       <MiChAeLoL> or not cuase of the new plugin system...
08.16.16 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea
08.16.19 #       <MiChAeLoL> forgot about that
08.17.40 #       <MiChAeLoL> ahhh computer acting screwy again
08.28.32 #       <MiChAeLoL> wow thats pretty sweet
08.29.27 #       <midknight2k3> pput up contrast
08.29.30 #       <midknight2k3> looks better
08.32.26 #       <MiChAeLoL> what contrast setting you recomend?
08.32.40 #       <midknight2k3> whats yours normally
08.32.44 #       <midknight2k3> like 30-32?
08.33.03 #       <MiChAeLoL> like 50
08.33.07 #       <midknight2k3> oh fmr
08.33.11 #       <MiChAeLoL> yep
08.33.16 #       <midknight2k3> put it to about 58
08.33.29 #       <MiChAeLoL> put it to 60 and it looks pretty sweet
08.33.45 #       <MiChAeLoL> so what programs you recomend to convert movies to .rvf format
08.33.47 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
08.33.52 #       <midknight2k3> theres only one
08.33.56 #       <midknight2k3> .rvf is rockbox video file
08.34.25 #       <midknight2k3> er
08.34.29 #       <midknight2k3> jorgs tools
08.36.29 #       <MiChAeLoL> does that do it right from avi to .rvf or do i have to convert it first
08.36.41 #       <midknight2k3> avi to yuv, then yuv to rvf
08.36.47 #       <MiChAeLoL> ok
08.36.48 #       <midknight2k3> its at the mailing list
08.36.52 #       <midknight2k3> you need to resize it tho
08.36.57 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea
08.37.02 #       <MiChAeLoL> so i resize the avi first
08.37.12 #       <midknight2k3> then use jorgs tools from command prompt
08.37.16 #       <MiChAeLoL> ok
08.37.20 #       <MiChAeLoL> where do i download it
08.37.26 #       <midknight2k3> its at the mailing list
08.37.30 #       <MiChAeLoL> ok
08.37.43 #       <midknight2k3> go to december 2003 its like "how to do your own .rvf file"
08.41.59 #       <MiChAeLoL> got it i think
08.41.59 #       <MiChAeLoL> yea
08.42.33 #       <MiChAeLoL> what do you use to make 1. make a .AVI file with 112*64 resolution 
08.42.50 #       <midknight2k3> i use Vegas 4
08.43.00 #       <MiChAeLoL> ok
08.43.05 #       <MiChAeLoL> have that on here somewhere
08.43.12 #       <MiChAeLoL> ah yes here it is
08.43.17 #       <MiChAeLoL> build 115 :D
08.43.47 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
08.43.48 #       <midknight2k3> you rock
08.43.53 #       <midknight2k3> just make a video
08.43.55 #       <midknight2k3> render as
08.44.03 #       <midknight2k3> get your video ready
08.44.10 #       <midknight2k3> ill help after its ready to be rendered
08.44.27 #       <MiChAeLoL> thanks
08.44.33 #       * MiChAeLoL renders a kitejumping video
08.44.41 #       <midknight2k3> dont yet
08.44.46 #       <midknight2k3> you need to set settings first
08.45.14 #       <MiChAeLoL> didnt yet
08.46.21 #       <MiChAeLoL> what format should i make the audio?
08.46.43 #       <midknight2k3> just uncheck "include audio" if youre at the render settings
08.46.55 #       <MiChAeLoL> ok
08.47.53 #       * MiChAeLoL renders it
08.48.11 #       <MiChAeLoL> lol going slow as hell
08.48.21 #       <midknight2k3> did you set the right size
08.48.38 #       <MiChAeLoL> from 640x480 to 112x64
08.48.54 #       <MiChAeLoL> like .7 fps
08.49.05 #       * MiChAeLoL doesnt feel like waiting a half an hour
08.49.08 #       <MiChAeLoL> there has to be a faster way
08.49.17 #       <MiChAeLoL> wonder if virtual dub can do it
08.49.27 #       <midknight2k3> er
08.49.31 #       <midknight2k3> there is faster way
08.49.34 #       <midknight2k3> if you woulda listened
08.49.39 #       <midknight2k3> go back to the render settings
08.49.55 #       <MiChAeLoL> i did uncheck audio
08.50.04 #       <midknight2k3> no
08.50.08 #       <midknight2k3> more ways
08.50.36 #       <midknight2k3> change "video rendering quality" to "draft"
08.50.40 #       <MiChAeLoL> ahhh ok
08.50.44 #       <midknight2k3> or preview
08.50.47 #       <midknight2k3> draft id say
08.51.42 #       <MiChAeLoL> now thats fast
08.52.01 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
08.52.02 #       <MiChAeLoL> will it play a 30fps at 30 fps or at 70fps
08.52.09 #       <midknight2k3> 70
08.52.13 #       <midknight2k3> or so
08.58.38 #       <MiChAeLoL> there done
08.58.48 #       <MiChAeLoL> now to plug my mp3 player back in
08.58.53 #       <midknight2k3> then use the tools as instructed
08.58.55 #       <MiChAeLoL> will probably crash my computer
08.58.56 #       <MiChAeLoL> tho
08.58.58 #       <midknight2k3> lol
08.59.05 #       <MiChAeLoL> want it lol?
08.59.12 #       <MiChAeLoL> its a kitejumping movie
08.59.18 #       <midknight2k3> hrm
08.59.21 #       <midknight2k3> why not lol
08.59.26 #       <midknight2k3> ill check it out tomorrow
08.59.29 #       <MiChAeLoL> 3mb
08.59.35 #       <midknight2k3> sure
09.00.56 #       <MiChAeLoL> while gunna plug in my mp3 player hopefully it wont crash the computer but odds are it will
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09.03.52 #       <MiChAeLo1> wow my computer sucks
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09.04.04 #       <MiChAeLoL> crashes everytime i plug in a usb device
09.20.24 #       <MiChAeLoL> while im amazed
09.20.31 #       <midknight2k3> ?
09.21.11 #       <MiChAeLoL> with the movie playback
09.21.21 #       <MiChAeLoL> will be a lot cooler when it gets sound too
09.21.25 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
09.21.28 #       <MiChAeLoL> cause the sound will be good quality
09.21.32 #       <MiChAeLoL> mp3 :D
09.21.34 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
09.21.35 #       <midknight2k3> lol
09.21.50 #       <MiChAeLoL> then someone will have to write a program or something to do it all at once
09.22.00 #       <MiChAeLoL> want a kitejumping video lol
09.22.24 #       <midknight2k3> send it
09.22.40 #       <MiChAeLoL> thats the best one out of the 3 movies i made
09.22.53 #       <midknight2k3> lool
09.23.09 #       <MiChAeLoL> cause ya can read the text at the end
09.23.20 #       <midknight2k3> nm
09.23.29 #       <MiChAeLoL> dcc ignore settings messed up?
09.24.27 #       <MiChAeLoL> while im going to sleep
09.24.35 #       <MiChAeLoL> be back later sometime or somethin
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09.24.59 #       <midknight2k3> nite
09.25.09 #       <midknight2k3> oops
09.25.09 #       <midknight2k3> lol
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12.56.27 #       <Laurent_> hi
12.56.30 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is it raining in france, too?
12.56.49 #       <Laurent_> no, but it could almost ;)
12.57.16 #       <Laurent_> where do you live in germany ?
12.57.28 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Il pleut, les rues sont gris et triste. Probably full of numerous mistakes, but that was one of the lessons in my french book.
12.57.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I'm from Dortmund
13.04.45 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Where from france are you?
13.07.02 #       <Laurent_> (sorry for the delay, I was reading my email)
13.07.20 #       <Laurent_> I'm from Lyon, I went to Salzkotten once
13.07.46 #       <Laurent_> hey, apart from "grises" and "tristes" your sentence is ok
13.08.27 #       <Laurent_> Ich can ein bisschen deutsch, aber ich ""lack"" "vocabular" ;)
13.08.29 #       <kurzhaarrocker> :) I've been in Lyon once. It was 1987, I think.
13.09.09 #       <kurzhaarrocker> "Ich kann ein bißchen Deutsch, aber mir fehlt es an Vokabular."
13.09.40 #       <Laurent_> I wonder if I went to Dortmund, if it's not very far from Salzkotten then I did but I have a very bad memory of such things ;)
13.10.29 #       <Laurent_> no sz on my keyboard ;) and right I need to get german sentences articulations back in my mind ;)
13.12.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I was shocked how miserable my french was, when I was on vacation last year. I tended to mix it up with dutch. I have no idea, why
13.12.36 #       <kurzhaarrocker> (Salzkotten is ~100 km from here)
13.12.59 #       <Laurent_> hehe, I can imagine the frenchs looking at you with huge eyes :)
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13.13.40 #       <Laurent_> ok, then I went to Dortmund, is the mayor building a baroc one ?
13.13.45 #       <Laurent_> "baroc"
13.13.50 #       <Laurent_> baroque ?
13.14.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> no, not really. 
13.14.26 #       * kurzhaarrocker tries to recall how it looks like
13.14.45 #       <Laurent_> we went to other towns nearby too, so i might be mixing them
13.15.31 #       <kurzhaarrocker> In Dortmund there are hardly any really old buildings due to destruction in war.
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13.15.33 #       <Laurent_> the only thing I'm sure of is that I usually love german towns and architecture (the ones with old buildings and houses, not modern ones)
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13.15.55 #       <quelsaruk> hej
13.15.56 #       <kurzhaarrocker> quelsaruk! It's been a while!
13.16.00 #       <Laurent_> ah, ok, so it's not Dortmund, probably another big town in the vicinity
13.16.12 #       <Laurent_> hi Sebulba02
13.16.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> quel: how are your goat?
13.16.16 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarocker???
13.16.22 #       <quelsaruk> quite well
13.16.27 #       <quelsaruk> i went to see apocalytpica
13.16.32 #       <quelsaruk> they are cool indeed!!
13.16.33 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.16.42 #       <quelsaruk> merry christmas to all
13.17.00 #       <quelsaruk> i have to go
13.17.05 #       <quelsaruk> see you another day!
13.17.08 #       <kurzhaarrocker> :)
13.17.29 #       <quelsaruk> kurzhaarrocker, it's good to see you alive again
13.17.31 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Laurent: Maybe Parderborn.
13.17.35 #       <quelsaruk> we'll talk another day
13.17.36 #       <quelsaruk> cu!
13.17.40 #       <quelsaruk> bbl
13.17.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cu
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13.19.39 #       <Laurent_> paderborn that's it !
13.20.07 #       <Laurent_> how could i forget this
13.20.33 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It's easy to forget things :(
13.23.01 #       <Sebulba02> sup Laurent_?
13.23.07 #       <Laurent_> sup ?
13.23.20 #       <Sebulba02> Whats up? Hows it going?
13.23.50 #       <Laurent_> i'm up, late and tired but not much more ;)
13.23.57 #       <Sebulba02> heh
13.24.35 #       <Laurent_> I was awaiting an answer from telechips but I remembered it's saturday :(
13.24.46 #       <Laurent_> this is not my week :)
13.24.57 #       <Sebulba02> heh
13.25.08 #       <Sebulba02> They'll get back to you..
13.25.40 #       <Sebulba02> Could be next year though, *shrugs*
13.25.56 #       <Laurent_> could be :)
13.30.29 #       * Sebulba02 .oO( what can I do today to be "productive".. )
13.30.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> implement looping in mpeg.c
13.31.43 #       <Sebulba02> Nah..
13.32.49 #       <Sebulba02> Theres always the timezones, but that became a major pain in the @$$ last night.
13.33.10 #       <Laurent_> I did not understand your problem with them ? could you explain it again ?
13.33.43 #       <Sebulba02> I just don't get how to make them display and how it remembers which one is selected.
13.38.52 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is that something the rtc handles itself?
13.40.42 #       <Sebulba02> No.
13.41.54 #       <Sebulba02> The clock, as far as I know, only handles the actual time.  Not the date or timezones I'm trying to implement.
13.45.01 #       <Sebulba02> my bad, it does handle all that
13.45.19 #       <Sebulba02> except the timezone
13.45.25 #       <kurzhaarrocker> :)
13.52.13 #       <Laurent_> back
13.52.33 #       <Sebulba02> I should just kill what little I've done now.
13.53.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Yeah! I've been a desillusioning smartass again! :-[
13.54.03 #       <Laurent_> the way linux does it is set the hardware clock to GMT then use the timezone to convert to local time, thus you have two input variables to set -> GMT time, local timezone and have rockbox display local time from zone too
13.54.18 #       <Laurent_> zone too = those too (remember, this is not my week)
13.54.50 #       <Laurent_> i don't know if i'm helpful here
13.55.20 #       <Sebulba02> Yeah, but I think the RTC is set to whatever time the user puts in, not offset each query of the chip.
13.55.52 #       <Sebulba02> I'd have to literally rewrite the clock code, which I sure don't want to do.
13.56.52 #       <Laurent_> i don't think you'd need to rewrite the clock code, just the part that sets it and reads it and take local zone into account for each
13.57.32 #       <Laurent_> something like : read_clock() { read hardware clock, get local time zone offset, substract it, return new clock }
13.57.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Laurent: Is the line in of the gmini wired manually, too?
13.57.40 #       <Sebulba02> Which is just about all of it..
13.57.55 #       <Laurent_> write_clock() { add local zone offset, store new clock }
13.58.06 #       <Laurent_> the line ?
13.58.17 #       <kurzhaarrocker> the line input jack
13.58.23 #       <Laurent_> let me check this
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14.00.15 #       * Laurent_ scratches his gmini back cover and goes seeking a new screwdriver
14.00.58 #       <kurzhaarrocker> If I ask a few more questions like that I'll distroy Laurents gmini...
14.04.36 #       <Laurent_> hum, that's even more stupid of me because it can be answered by looking at one of the pictures I made :)
14.05.10 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Nah, that would be a second hand experience only
14.05.19 #       <Laurent_> http://lgiroud.chez.tiscali.fr/photos/IMG_0182.JPG
14.05.37 #       <Laurent_> line in connector is the grey plastic one at the right top 
14.06.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I see. No flying wires any more.
14.08.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is that really the line in? To me it looks like a jack whith 1/4"" plug and 4 additional contacts. Something which often is used for headphone + remote.
14.08.58 #       <Laurent_> there still are one or two of them -> yellow one and black one
14.10.01 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Yes, but it would be really stupid to wire the line in manually and _not_ doing it directly to the input jack.
14.10.12 #       <Laurent_> it's a multipurpose jack, there are four contacts on it, plus there are side plugs to each side of it, it can do av out, spdif out, line in, line out, and so on
14.10.27 #       <kurzhaarrocker> ok
14.10.44 #       <Laurent_> I think you can see it on archos website
14.10.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> No need, I can imagine.
14.11.21 #       <Laurent_> http://www.archos.com/img/products/290x230/audio_plugin_gmini.jpg
14.14.27 #       * kurzhaarrocker needs food
14.14.29 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cu
14.16.07 #       <Laurent_> gutten apetit ;)
14.26.51 #       <Sebulba02> hmm
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14.56.35 #       <Sebulba02> Anyone here who is on the mailing list?
14.57.11 #       <Laurent_> i am
14.57.27 #       <Sebulba02> Do you get it in bulk?
14.59.28 #       <Laurent_> no, mail by mail
14.59.47 #       <Sebulba02> grr
15.00.29 #       <Sebulba02> I think I'm going to write the list admin.
15.03.45 #       <Sebulba02> Or maybe I just can't read.
15.04.17 #       <Laurent_> wait, do you mean that I subscribed to digest or that all mails arrive at the same moment ?
15.05.23 #       <Sebulba02> Do all your mails arrive at the same time?
15.05.37 #       <Laurent_> I was wondering about it this morning
15.05.56 #       <Laurent_> morning being noon in fact
15.06.05 #       <Sebulba02> heh
15.06.41 #       <Sebulba02> Like I can look in the archive and see stuff I've not gotten, but will probably get at like 11p tonight.
15.07.11 #       <Sebulba02> & I noticed in the headers it was set to Bulk.
15.07.20 #       <Sebulba02> Instead of Digest, I think.
15.07.56 #       <Laurent_> i'm checking
15.08.44 #       <Sebulba02> Thanks
15.10.25 #       <Laurent_> no, it seems I'm getting them when they arrive
15.11.10 #       <Sebulba02> Hmm, don't suppose you know where the mailman is..
15.11.21 #       <Laurent_> I'm having this header field : "precedence: bulk" but I don't think it's related
15.11.30 #       <Sebulba02> I see.
15.11.44 #       <Laurent_> I don't know but it can be found easily
15.12.01 #       <Laurent_> sender: owner-rockbox@cool.haxx.se
15.12.15 #       <Sebulba02> Search website for 'mailman'
15.12.53 #       <Sebulba02> Or not.
15.13.31 #       <Laurent_> ah, no idea, have you searched on the web site ?
15.14.05 #       <Sebulba02> Thats what I'm doing.
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15.29.51 #       <Sebulba02> hmm, theres always the news:// list.
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15.31.20 #       <Laurent_> I guess it's outdated
15.32.15 #       <Sebulba02> No, its just the archive.
15.33.25 #       <Sebulba02> Guess I could query the help.
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15.57.05 #       <lilolim3234> hi
15.57.13 #       <Sebulba02> 'morning.
15.57.25 #       <Laurent_> hi
15.57.41 #       <lilolim3234> (sorry for my bad english *g*) -> i'm having only a short question
15.58.17 #       <lilolim3234> where can i find a precompiled rockbox-version compressed with UCL ?
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16.00.40 #       <Sebulba02> Beats me. I assume that has to do with flashing & I thought rockbox came with the tools to do that.
16.01.24 #       <lilolim3234> in the past it was possible to download it on rockbox.haxx.se in the daily build-section
16.02.07 #       <lilolim3234> but it disappeared commentless 
16.03.18 #       <Sebulba02> Laurent_ is probably better qualified to answer that than I am.
16.03.24 #       <Laurent_> huh ?
16.03.27 #       <lilolim3234> :)
16.03.37 #       <Laurent_> i swear i'm not :)
16.03.54 #       <Sebulba02> heh
16.03.59 #       <Sebulba02> Well, dunno then.
16.04.10 #       <lilolim3234> okay ... then i have to descrable the ajz-version and pack it ... "Oh weia"
16.04.18 #       <Laurent_> i wish i could help but i'm not knowledeable enough yet as far as rockbox installation
16.04.22 #       <Laurent_> is concerned
16.04.58 #       <lilolim3234> okay ... no prob :) ...
16.05.02 #       <Sebulba02> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html , looks like you need to build it yourself.
16.06.06 #       <Sebulba02> Never done it myself though, so I dunno.
16.06.08 #       <lilolim3234> i read this page ... and my problem is i have a windows-system and my c++ compiler is a little bit dummy
16.06.57 #       <Sebulba02> heh, hmm.  Well.
16.07.12 #       <lilolim3234> it took up to 1 hour til' i could compile the UCL-compressor
16.08.05 #       <Sebulba02> There is the alpha or beta win32 build environmenet.
16.08.19 #       <lilolim3234> okay ... then i'll try to compile rockbox 
16.08.43 #       <Sebulba02> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/1200.shtml
16.10.07 #       <lilolim3234> this is a patch for the simulator ... i only need [or i hope so] descramble.exe :)
16.10.30 #       * Sebulba02 shrugs
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16.11.05 #       <Sebulba02> I don't use win32 to write code, so I dunno.
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16.12.00 #       <diddystar5> i do
16.12.14 #       <lilolim3234> okay ... then i'm going to do some try and error :) ... 
16.12.23 #       <lilolim3234> oh ... maybe you can help me ... 
16.12.55 #       <lilolim3234> i'm searching a precompiled Version from rockbox compressed in UCL or a way to do this package 
16.12.59 #       <lilolim3234> without compiling
16.13.39 #       <diddystar5> all you want is a version of rockbox UCL compressed?
16.14.00 #       <lilolim3234> yes ... in the past you could download it from rockbox.haxx.se
16.14.07 #       <diddystar5> ohh
16.14.11 #       <diddystar5> one sec
16.14.13 #       <diddystar5> let me look
16.14.50 #       <diddystar5> heh     that is weord
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16.14.53 #       <diddystar5> (weird
16.15.14 #       <diddystar5> bye lilolim3234!
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16.15.27 #       <lil_again> re ... :)
16.15.28 #       <Sebulba02> heh
16.15.39 #       <lil_again> i hate Alt+F4 :)
16.15.47 #       <lil_again> i've found it 
16.16.08 #       <diddystar5> found what?
16.16.12 #       <lil_again> they should say that it is in the ZIP-Package from the daily build :)
16.16.17 #       <lil_again> rockbox.ucl
16.16.20 #       <diddystar5> ohh
16.16.26 #       <diddystar5> good
16.16.45 #       <lil_again> oh my god ... i'm dumb like a brick :)
16.16.49 #       <diddystar5> i should compile a new build, havent done it in awhile
16.17.09 #       <Sebulba02> Nothing has changed in the past few days.
16.17.26 #       <diddystar5> i know, but my build is a few weeks old
16.17.42 #       <Sebulba02> Ah.
16.17.54 #       <lil_again> mine is from october
16.18.36 #       <lil_again> is the reason for "red led death"-bug found ?
16.18.42 #       <diddystar5> i still need to work on my really good version of rockbox, i told a few people it would be done a few days ago, but ive been lazy
16.19.16 #       <lil_again> what did you changed ?
16.19.35 #       <diddystar5> lil_again: lots of things
16.20.27 #       <diddystar5> its just not near about done
16.21.08 #       <diddystar5> it will be a long list of changes
16.22.38 #       <lil_again> a releasedate like 1.1.2004 would be nice ;)
16.23.00 #       <diddystar5> i dont really know much about the led death, but there have been some changes that could help it get fixed
16.23.16 #       <diddystar5> heh     i should try for that :)
16.23.41 #       <lil_again> i hope so ... i have 7 crashes per day (everytime i walk)
16.23.59 #       <Sebulba02> That sucks.
16.24.14 #       <diddystar5> wow
16.24.21 #       <diddystar5> i have never had it happen to me
16.25.04 #       <lil_again> my pocket is filled with polystyrol ... this made it better
16.27.48 #       <lil_again> okay i have to go now ... thanks for all your help
16.28.02 #       <lil_again> happy new year / einen guten Rutsch
16.28.05 #       <lil_again> cya
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16.30.06 #       <Sebulba02> 'doh
16.58.22 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: awake?
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17.14.27 #       <Laurent_> http://altair.snu.ac.kr/~smoon/ : this guy has developped gcc support for the gmini's CPU
17.15.18 #       <Sebulba02> Thats a good start.
17.15.49 #       <Laurent_> yup, I just hope Samsung allows it to be made public, this does not seem to be the case
17.15.54 #       <diddystar5> what cpu is in it?
17.16.40 #       <Laurent_> a TCC370 (http://www.telechips.com/product/product_mp3_tcc730.htm), it seems to be a derivate of the Samsung CalmRisc 16 series
17.17.07 #       <Laurent_> (http://www4.ncsu.edu:8030/~abdudani/ecos/docs/calmrisc16.html)
17.17.35 #       <diddystar5> ok
17.18.31 #       <Laurent_> not easy to find to say the least
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17.45.24 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: hi
17.48.29 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: i got that book you were talking aobut, and i have read some of it
17.48.41 #       <diddystar5> its quite good
17.49.04 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I'm happy to hear that:-)
17.49.51 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: how about the VU-meter? Did you finish the dB scale?
17.50.21 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: umm    no
17.50.34 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: couldnt really figure it out
17.50.46 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: the log function?
17.51.15 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: just wondering: maybe there is a log function already somewhere in rockbox source
17.51.19 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: well  yeah
17.52.11 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: even if i get code for log, i dunno what to log
17.53.44 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I think you're almost there. The only thing missing is converting to dB using the log function
17.54.25 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: so you take the log() of the amplitude you're using already for drawing
17.55.00 #       <diddystar5> you mean (left/right)_needle_top_x?
17.55.17 #       <pfavr> yes, I think so
17.55.30 #       <diddystar5> ok
17.55.36 #       <pfavr> I'll be back later.
17.56.04 #       <diddystar5> ook     see you later
17.59.15 #       * diddystar5 is porting goldmember to rockbox video
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18.06.58 #       <Laurent_> :)
18.07.06 #       <Laurent_> academic work for sure ;)
18.07.42 #       <Sebulba02> heh
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18.25.59 #       <kurzhaarrocker> c0utta: are you here?
18.26.38 #       <diddystar5> its c0utta|AFK
18.26.49 #       <diddystar5> :)
18.26.57 #       <kurzhaarrocker> c0utta|AFK: are you here?
18.27.32 #       <diddystar5> lol
18.27.40 #       <diddystar5> dont you know how to use tab completetion?
18.28.01 #       <diddystar5> try it type c0 then <tab>
18.28.10 #       * kurzhaarrocker jumps up in astonishment!
18.28.22 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Never thought that trillian might have that.
18.28.28 #       <Laurent_> gaim has it too
18.28.48 #       <diddystar5> lots of things have it
18.29.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I just read he's about to do customizable config menus / keys
18.29.10 #       <Laurent_> shameless ad : gaim is open source, multiprotocol, works on win32 and linux
18.29.37 #       <Laurent_> (and free as in beer and as in liberty)
18.29.59 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I'm not sure wether trillian is open source, but the rest applies to trillian, too.
18.31.11 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I have LOADS of code that I once wrote for user assignable key schemes
18.31.30 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I just never completed the task.
18.32.32 #       <Laurent_> trillian is not open source, there's a free version but it's not updated anymore
18.33.31 #       <pfavr> ib
18.33.37 #       <Laurent_> god, I feel dumb when reading such resume : http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~sycho/resume
18.34.33 #       <pfavr> happens to me all the time
18.34.38 #       <pfavr> :-)
18.34.46 #       <Laurent_> :)
18.34.58 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I feel dumb when I see someone reading
18.35.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> especially when he doesn't even move his lips while doing so!
18.36.24 #       <Laurent_> yup, there's always someone more skillfull than we are
18.38.19 #       <pfavr> (maybe it is just that each of us have different skillsets)
18.39.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> what do you do with a set of lousy skills?
18.39.48 #       <Sebulba02> Apply them to open source and improve upon them? :)
18.41.51 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Sounds like a hard way.
18.42.10 #       <pfavr> doesn't matter if it is fun also?-)
18.43.00 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I think I'll take the easy way right now and enter a nice hot bath tub.
18.43.15 #       <pfavr> enjoy!
18.43.26 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Does anybody know a supplier of waterproof notebooks?
18.43.43 #       <pfavr> saw one once... could stand the dishwasher
18.44.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I prefer the bath tub. See you
18.45.41 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: still here?
18.46.14 #       <Laurent_> Sebulba02: good suggestion
18.46.26 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: yep
18.47.22 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: porting goldmember? what is that?
18.47.36 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: a movie
18.48.11 #       <Sebulba02> Laurent_: I thought so.
18.48.12 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: ok, I haven't yet tried playing video
18.48.55 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: you should, its really cool, or atleast for a monochrome screen
18.49.11 #       <diddystar5> it really looks greyscale
18.49.29 #       <diddystar5> i get around 70.12 fps
18.49.32 #       <pfavr> ok, but only have 700mb left on my drive
18.50.01 #       <pfavr> any of you have a recorder 20?
18.50.02 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: the doom video is only 7mb
18.50.06 #       * Laurent_ is freezing
18.50.10 #       <diddystar5> i do
18.50.16 #       <diddystar5> what do you have pfavr?
18.50.23 #       <pfavr> recorder 20 also
18.50.36 #       <diddystar5> ohh
18.50.49 #       <pfavr> have you tried copying from it using usb for a longer period of time?
18.51.07 #       <pfavr> (mine runs empty on the batteries even though I leave the charger connected)
18.51.39 #       <diddystar5> for about 4-5 hours, but it was on charger
18.51.54 #       <pfavr> I only have usb1.1
18.52.11 #       <diddystar5> so do i
18.52.16 #       <Laurent_> I think it's going to be very hard to get CPU specs for the gmini
18.52.34 #       <Laurent_> it seems to be completely locked by samsung
18.52.48 #       <pfavr> so it takes some time to copy everything... the last two times I tried the battery ran out before completion
18.53.21 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: do it in chunks, copy a few folders at a time
18.53.56 #       <pfavr> yes, I could do that
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18.54.46 #       <pfavr> But I think the problem has to do with the charging not starting under certain circumstances while in the USB mode
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18.55.06 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: maybe so
18.55.21 #       <pfavr> I think it starts the first time... then stops when it is full... then never starts again
18.55.21 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: just let it sit a few minutes before starting usb
18.57.12 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: have you lost interest in the VU-meter?
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18.58.18 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: no, just cant figure it out
18.58.48 #       <Sebulba02> well crap, power went out
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19.07.41 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: if im to log (left/right)_needle_top_x, then log needd to be base 10
19.10.48 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I dont think so
19.11.13 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: it will just be a scale factor
19.11.22 #       <pfavr> (iirc)
19.12.51 #       <diddystar5> uhh     ok
19.14.31 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I'm trying to find the source code for the "normal" vu-meter (the bargraph on the play screen)...
19.15.12 #       <diddystar5> the peakmeter?
19.15.21 #       <diddystar5> its in apps/recorder/peakmeter.c
19.15.40 #       <pfavr> thanks
19.15.53 #       <diddystar5> that would be a form of a digital vu meter
19.17.48 #       <diddystar5> i have been looking at that code myself
19.18.07 #       <diddystar5> but i dont know how to make it work on my code
19.18.57 #       <diddystar5> ohh boy! i just had an idea
19.20.19 #       <diddystar5> if i just set up a tabel of values, static unsigned char table[]={ }, and have them called by left-right_needle-top_x, i want need a log!
19.20.33 #       <diddystar5> just have the table
19.20.43 #       <diddystar5> that might even work faster than log
19.20.49 #       <pfavr> yes
19.20.57 #       <diddystar5> i can do that
19.21.05 #       <diddystar5> ill work on it in a bit
19.21.09 #       <diddystar5> thats so easy :)
19.22.13 #       <diddystar5> ohh, and i could use the same kinda thing to make the v value change
19.22.18 #       <pfavr> If you want you can take a look at the calc_db() function
19.22.21 #       <diddystar5> *y value
19.22.41 #       <diddystar5> i dod look at calc_dB()
19.23.04 #       <diddystar5> *did
19.23.44 #       <pfavr> I think you could use this function directly
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19.25.36 #       <diddystar5> i think the tables of values would be simpler, and faster
19.26.38 #       <diddystar5> i also wonder if my vu meter can use the new lcd_blit function to improve performance
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19.27.18 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: yes, you could even use grayscale to make a smooth antialised needle!
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19.28.15 #       <diddystar5> i dont know how i would do it, but i want to make a sort of delay, like in the "homeboy software analouge vu meters" plugin for winamp
19.28.15 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I believe the calc_db function is probably quite optimal
19.29.00 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: delay? you mean so the needle only slowly moves backwards?
19.29.43 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: cant describe it well, but it adds sort of as delay that makes the needle move much smoother
19.31.06 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: you could try with a simple filter: just make the current position equal to the last position plus the new value divided by two
19.31.24 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: are you on windows?
19.31.32 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: good idea!
19.31.54 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: e.g.: y=(lasty + newy)/2; lasty=y;
19.32.13 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: no(!) what makes you think that?
19.32.22 #       <diddystar5> :)     neat wording
19.32.55 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: if you need a slower decay, just do: y=(7*lasty + newy)/8
19.33.24 #       <diddystar5> ok
19.34.00 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: but I really think you should stick with the calc_db function
19.34.05 #       <diddystar5> ok
19.35.04 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: then concentrate on making nice graphics. If it later shows that the calc_db function can be further optimized, that could be used for the peakmeter as well.
19.48.20 #       <diddystar5> humm      i found a few display mis-positions to correct
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20.02.26 #       <diddystar5> humm i didnt have code for USB connection either
20.03.00 #       <Laurent_> what search engines do you use apart from google ?
20.03.30 #       <diddystar5> me?     uhh     nothing but google
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20.05.26 #       <diddystar5> hello Guest
20.05.37 #       <Sebulba02> g00g1E 0wNz
20.05.48 #       <Guest> hi diddy
20.10.01 #       <Laurent_> ok thanks
20.10.26 #       <diddystar5> heh
20.15.48 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: how would i figure out using math, what position (left-right)_needle_top_x would be on a log scale, if the position (without log) of (left_right)_needle_top_x was 4 (or if you can give my a formula, make that x)?
20.21.40 #       <diddystar5> if i just do log(4) on my calc i get a long decimal number
20.26.26 #       <diddystar5> log(4*56)?
20.30.08 #       <pfavr> calc_db returns a value between 0 and 8961
20.30.13 #       <Laurent_> = log 4 + log 56
20.30.29 #       <Laurent_> :)
20.30.48 #       <pfavr> you just need to adjust this range to fit the lcd
20.31.00 #       <diddystar5> i cant figure out how to do so
20.31.27 #       <Sebulba02> divide
20.31.51 #       <diddystar5> divide  what?
20.32.09 #       <diddystar5> brb
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20.33.29 #       <Sebulba02> You need to scale this by the width:height of the screen, so you divide by some equal factor of w:h in order to make it fit and not distort it.
20.35.25 #       <diddystar5> holdon
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20.39.00 #       <diddystar5> so      whats the formula to calculate thel og, and have it sclaed for the screen?
20.39.34 #       <pfavr> lets say you use the calc_db (which contains the log already)
20.39.51 #       <pfavr> it returns a value between 0 and 8961
20.39.59 #       <pfavr> what is the width of the lcd?
20.40.13 #       <diddystar5> 112, or 56 is half (for each needle)
20.40.52 #       <pfavr> ok, you then divide by 8961/56 = 160
20.41.26 #       <pfavr> btw just found cos() and sin() in cube.c
20.41.50 #       <pfavr> (so you could do the needle wo stretching)
20.41.55 #       <diddystar5> are those float?
20.42.05 #       <diddystar5> ohh
20.42.10 #       <pfavr> no, also fixed point
20.43.41 #       <Laurent_> isn't there a define or variable for the lcd_width ?
20.45.09 #       <diddystar5> i dont know much about sin/cos what would be the best formula for that?yes
20.45.15 #       <diddystar5> sory
20.45.41 #       <diddystar5> yes there is a defined varible for lcd_width
20.45.55 #       <diddystar5> i beleive it is LCD_WIDTH
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20.54.50 #       <Laurent_> I think i saw something along those lines
20.55.30 #       <Laurent_> wait, is this sentence correct ? I'm wondering ?
20.59.03 #       <diddystar5> no period
20.59.26 #       <diddystar5> :)
20.59.54 #       <Laurent_> ?
21.00.16 #       <Laurent_> I have an english question
21.00.26 #       <diddystar5> ok
21.00.33 #       <Laurent_> could you please tell me if the following sentence is ok or awkward ?
21.00.43 #       <diddystar5> ok
21.01.12 #       <Laurent_> "However, my research about the CalmRisc 16 did not bring much results"
21.01.38 #       <Laurent_> I wonder if "about" is ok, or something else should be used, and if it shouldn't be "researches"
21.01.42 #       <diddystar5> looks good to me
21.02.14 #       <diddystar5> "research on"
21.02.27 #       <Laurent_> on ! right
21.02.37 #       <Laurent_> looks much better indedd
21.02.39 #       <Laurent_> indeed
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21.05.49 #       <diddystar5> hey Bluechip
21.05.56 #       <Bluechip> hey diddy
21.09.15 #       <diddystar5> ohh, i still havent tried your new patch, im going to try it now
21.10.07 #       <Bluechip> great - any feedback is cool ...Linus wants a couple of bits changed, so I am maintaining a list
21.14.49 #       <Laurent_> thanks !
21.14.54 #       <Laurent_> (yes i'm slow)
21.15.40 #       <Laurent_> but it's hard to be fast when a cat lies on your desk, on your mouse and forearms
21.23.40 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: the .rockbox directory never shows up on the browser in the simulatore
21.24.48 #       <Bluechip> there are old bugs here that I fixed by doing the wrong thing ...this is on the list
21.25.04 #       <Bluechip> you can browse to your build dir and all will make sense
21.25.36 #       <diddystar5> ohh and the cube plugin if you press play, it spins super fast
21.26.06 #       <Bluechip> is that bad?
21.26.30 #       <diddystar5> well its weird
21.26.36 #       <Bluechip> there are long standing timing issues with the sim
21.26.45 #       <diddystar5> ohh       and the lcd inverse dosent work!
21.27.21 #       <Bluechip> omg.  well, can't say you're not a good beta tester - lol
21.29.09 #       <diddystar5> i dont think it would be all that hard to get the sim to play sound
21.29.31 #       <diddystar5> just the mas reads are the hard part if that were to be done
21.29.32 #       <Bluechip> go4it
21.29.57 #       <Bluechip> i thought to link the volume controls to windows direct-x
21.30.05 #       <Bluechip> or add winamp plugin support
21.30.23 #       <Bluechip> ...a great job for someone who cares - lol
21.30.29 #       <diddystar5> i do!
21.30.32 #       <diddystar5> heh
21.30.42 #       <Bluechip> well, if you get stuck  feel free to ask
21.30.48 #       <Bluechip> ..for help
21.31.22 #       <Laurent_> good, another mail sent, this time to the designer of the gmini cpu core
21.31.56 #       <Bluechip> LOL - we did that with the DVD hacking ...got the original NSA manual - LOL
21.32.36 #       <Laurent_> I think I can't get any closer from the important people
21.32.37 #       <Laurent_> :)
21.32.43 #       <Laurent_> Bluechip: nice one ;)
21.33.01 #       <Bluechip> the original MIPS core had an instruction HSC
21.33.12 #       <Bluechip> Halt and Spontaneously Combust 
21.33.17 #       <Bluechip> NO, I am NOT joking
21.35.19 #       <Laurent_> can't find any trace of it on google
21.36.38 #       <Bluechip> of what?
21.36.49 #       <Laurent_> of hsc
21.37.05 #       <Bluechip> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mipsx_src
21.37.23 #       <diddystar5> heh
21.37.59 #       <Laurent_> need to register
21.38.09 #       <Bluechip> you got a yahoo account?
21.38.49 #       <diddystar5> i havent used yahoo in a long time
21.40.08 #       <Bluechip> yahoo groups are great
21.40.22 #       <Bluechip> limited - but so quick and easy to do all the stuff you need
21.40.46 #       <Laurent_> nope no account
21.40.52 #       <diddystar5> my yahoo acount is still alive   wow
21.40.53 #       <diddystar5> lol
21.40.58 #       <diddystar5> humm old mail...
21.41.12 #       <Bluechip> 20 seconds to join ....DO NOT tell it that you are in U.S.
21.41.22 #       <Bluechip> or they will not let you collect your email
21.41.33 #       <diddystar5> You are using 125% of your 4.0 MB limit.
21.41.34 #       <diddystar5> lol
21.42.00 #       <diddystar5> holy crap 830 mails
21.42.22 #       <Bluechip> if you get a non-US address you can use POP
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21.44.23 #       <midknight2k3> woo
21.44.27 #       <midknight2k3> full in here
21.44.27 #       <diddystar5> almost all them apear to be archos multimedia mail
21.44.33 #       <diddystar5> midknight2k3!
21.44.33 #       <Bluechip> alirite midnite :)
21.44.37 #       <midknight2k3> hey
21.50.16 #       <Bluechip> so, mk, hows about testin' mi new win32sim patch and telling about all the stuff I missed?
21.50.50 #       <Laurent_> diddystar5: what kind of mail ? ads ?
21.51.08 #       <Laurent_> midknight2k3: could you see the images of the UI ?
21.51.36 #       <midknight2k3> i did yeah thankls
21.51.36 #       <Laurent_> shit, yahoo is not sending me the confirmation code
21.51.41 #       <diddystar5> Laurent_: mostly the archos multi forum mails, not many ads at all
21.51.44 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip: in a few hours?
21.51.49 #       <Laurent_> they are crappy but better than nothing
21.52.18 #       <Bluechip> url?
21.54.12 Ctcp    Version from pfavr!~pfavr@213.237.46.232.adsl.ron.worldonline.dk
21.54.23 #       <Laurent_> http://lgiroud.chez.tiscali.fr/gmini/ui.html
21.55.23 #       <Laurent_> well back to firmware analysis
21.55.50 #       <Bluechip> check the address and data lines for mis-wiring
21.57.14 #       <diddystar5> still have 509 mails in yahoo :)
21.57.41 #       <Laurent_> did find it
21.57.54 #       <Laurent_> (hsc), probably used by the army :)
21.58.19 #       <midknight2k3> HOLY WTF
21.58.20 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
21.58.32 #       <diddystar5> what?
21.58.58 #       <Bluechip> "only available on -NSA versions of the device"
21.59.16 #       <Bluechip> I think there is little doubt as to why it was there
21.59.18 #       <midknight2k3> OMG
21.59.19 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
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22.00.41 #       <midknight2k3> bye al
22.00.56 #       <Bluechip> gnite albert
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22.01.19 #       <Laurent_> sure
22.03.24 #       <Bluechip> Laurent_, nice going, but perhaps the images are a little on the large size for screen shots
22.03.37 #       <Bluechip> the circuit shots will benefit from big images
22.03.59 #       <diddystar5> got my yahoo mail cleaned out finaly
22.05.01 #       <Bluechip> where can i find the AVI->RVF converter?
22.05.56 #       <diddystar5> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/doom/source.zip
22.06.03 #       <diddystar5> its in that zip
22.06.09 #       <Bluechip> thanks dude
22.06.51 #       <diddystar5> Bluechip: do you know of any programs to convert dvd vob files to avi?
22.07.02 #       <webmind> diddystar5, mplayer
22.07.22 #       <Sebulba02> In need of a dvd ripper are we?
22.07.39 #       <diddystar5> webmind: not for windows (except fot cygwin), and knoppix dosent have it
22.07.43 #       <Bluechip> to avi, no sorry, I go to mpeg
22.07.54 #       <diddystar5> webmind: i could download for linux, how big is it?
22.07.59 #       <webmind> mplayer is not windows
22.08.13 #       <webmind> check mplayer-hq.hu
22.08.15 #       <webmind> afaik
22.08.19 #       <webmind> or just google for mplaye
22.08.20 #       <webmind> r
22.08.20 #       <Sebulba02> no -
22.08.25 #       <Laurent_> Bluechip: you mean, images are *much* too large ;) I do agree !
22.08.52 #       <Bluechip> lol
22.09.42 #       <diddystar5> webmind: you think the redhat rpm will work on knoppix?
22.09.58 #       <webmind> diddystar5, rpm ?
22.10.02 #       <webmind> no.. compile
22.10.12 #       <diddystar5> ok
22.10.12 #       <webmind> if you compile it'll work on knoppix
22.10.40 #       <diddystar5> will i need to download the codec also?
22.11.20 #       <webmind> yes
22.11.22 #       <webmind> multiple
22.11.29 #       <diddystar5> ok
22.11.47 #       <diddystar5> thanks webmind
22.12.22 #       <webmind> np
22.19.41 #       <dsg> I thought knoppix had mplayer?
22.19.50 #       <webmind> nop
22.19.53 #       <webmind> xine
22.19.56 #       <dsg> Bleh.
22.19.59 #       <webmind> yeah
22.20.03 #       <dsg> Well, that's something they should fix.
22.20.10 #       <webmind> altough for some reason mplayer has probs here
22.20.21 #       <diddystar5> it has xmms (or whatever it is!)
22.20.23 #       <webmind> can't play some codec
22.21.10 #       <dsg> webmind: Should be fixable by compile-time options.
22.21.12 #       <dsg> Which codec?
22.21.21 #       <webmind> don't know
22.21.27 #       <webmind> is just some video clip
22.22.20 #       <dsg> mplayer is the only player that doesn't give me probs :)
22.22.22 #       <dsg> On anything.
22.22.35 #       <webmind> it gives me other probs aswell
22.22.38 #       <webmind> with playback
22.22.48 #       <webmind> some movies don't work with sdl or xv
22.23.13 #       <dsg> No probs here.
22.23.55 #       <webmind> odd
22.24.05 #       <webmind> battle_royale is an example
22.24.44 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: I use dvdrip
22.25.43 #       <diddystar5> pfavr: it rips to avi?
22.26.07 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: yes. It is a perltk frontend to transcode
22.26.33 #       <diddystar5> cool         is it free?
22.26.44 #       <diddystar5> (if not, im sure i can find it for)
22.26.47 #       <pfavr> diddystar5: it rips, encodes, produces subtitles, and even burns to cd. It also has a cluster option. Yes it is free
22.27.11 #       <pfavr> I run it on debian unstable
22.28.07 #       <pfavr> just add the deb http://marillat.free.fr unstable main to /etc/apt/sources.list and use apt-get
22.28.12 #       <diddystar5> i have 2 downloads going, i dont think ill get a website open for awhile
22.28.40 #       <webmind> hmmm
22.28.58 #       <diddystar5> ok
22.29.37 #       <webmind> xine works
22.31.45 #       <diddystar5> 82% of mplayer, and 56% of codecs
22.32.17 #       <webmind> ok
22.32.21 #       <webmind> goodluck :)
22.32.22 #       * webmind gone
22.32.39 #       <diddystar5> :)
22.35.26 #       <diddystar5> ohh boy, ripping a dvd in knoppix is gonna be tricky
22.35.41 #       <webmind> man mencoder
22.35.45 #       <webmind> after install
22.35.58 #       <diddystar5> my drive cant be written to because its ntfs
22.36.20 #       <diddystar5> and i have two cd drives (dvd, cd rw)
22.36.43 #       <diddystar5> i guess ill have to use my archos to hold the video
22.37.33 #       <diddystar5> ok
22.38.03 #       <diddystar5> done with mplayer, and 76% of codecs
22.41.33 #       <Laurent_> does anyone know how to save a file under hexl-mode within emacs in hexadecimal form instead of pure binary ?
22.42.34 #       <diddystar5> donw with dl's
22.42.36 #       <diddystar5> bye
22.42.38 #       <Laurent_> silence says it all ;)
22.42.43 #       <Bluechip> lol
22.42.44 #       <diddystar5> i cant be online in linux
22.42.45 #       <Bluechip> bye
22.42.53 #       <Laurent_> bye
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22.49.41 #       <Bluechip> right - programming time ....
22.49.58 Quit    scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...")
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22.52.40 #       <midknight2k3> hey 
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22.54.26 #       <midknight2k3> hi
22.57.54 #       <midknight2k3> WHOOOAAAAAAA
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22.59.16 #       <EoS> hello
22.59.20 #       <midknight2k3> hi
22.59.54 #       <EoS> i got a question about my bios/mainboard, i know this is no help channel but i guess id find some smart ppl here
23.00.19 #       <midknight2k3> uhm..
23.00.47 #       <EoS> well its actually related to mp3 players also..
23.00.57 #       <midknight2k3> ok
23.01.30 #       <EoS> can i use my HD mp3 player as a boot up drive?
23.01.38 #       <midknight2k3> doubted.
23.02.02 #       <EoS> cause i was told a normal usb HD would work if the bios supports it
23.02.19 #       <midknight2k3> if it does
23.02.37 #       <midknight2k3> i don't know much about it, but new revisions support booting from USB flashdrives and such
23.03.37 #       <EoS> yeah...well my mainboard is about 1.5 years old or so or maybe 2
23.04.59 #       <midknight2k3> you can get a BIOS update online
23.05.19 #       <EoS> yup im looking for one right now
23.08.18 #       <EoS> ok thx
23.08.30 #       <midknight2k3> good luck
23.09.04 #       * Laurent_ is diffing firmware files, sure to get no useful result
23.09.12 #       <midknight2k3> sdd
23.09.58 Quit    EoS ("Peace & Protection 4.22")
23.13.45 #       <Laurent_> hey, very useful on the contrary
23.13.52 #       <midknight2k3> ?
23.14.30 #       <Laurent_> convert binary files into their text hexadecimal equivalent, 2 bytes per line
23.14.36 #       <midknight2k3> fads
23.14.38 #       <Laurent_> and diff between those files
23.14.41 #       <midknight2k3> afdss
23.14.47 #       <Laurent_> rjoazrh ?
23.14.53 #       <midknight2k3> rasd
23.14.56 #       * Laurent_ speaks borg
23.15.05 #       <midknight2k3> BORK BORG BORD
23.15.11 #       <Laurent_> :)
23.15.57 #       <Laurent_> can you translate rasd ? 
23.16.16 #       <midknight2k3> means "SDD"
23.19.20 #       <Laurent_> ok
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23.19.46 #       <diddystar5> webmind: mplayer compiled, but it wouldnt install
23.22.50 #       <diddystar5> im going to try dvdrip to do it
23.23.52 #       <scott666> does anyone have suggestions for ripping the audio of a dvd to mp3?
23.24.01 #       <midknight2k3> no ideas.
23.27.00 #       <pfavr> scott666: I think dvdrip can rip the audio to a wav
23.28.04 #       <scott666>  pfavr: does it run on XP?
23.28.08 Quit    c0utta|AFK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.28.25 #       <diddystar5> bye  im going back to linux to try dvdrip
23.28.26 #       <midknight2k3> bye diddy
23.28.36 Quit    diddystar5 ("Leaving")
23.29.31 #       <pfavr> scott666: don't know
23.29.43 #       <pfavr> scott666: I use it on debian unstable
23.30.11 #       <midknight2k3> ASDF
23.30.12 #       <midknight2k3> SDD
23.30.13 #       <midknight2k3> DFAD
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23.30.35 #       * scott666 slaps midknight2k3 with a large salmon
23.30.42 #       * midknight2k3 slaps scott666 around a bit with a large trout
23.30.49 #       <midknight2k3> hi edx
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23.36.52 #       <midknight2k3> tracky
23.36.52 #       <midknight2k3> hey
23.36.55 #       <track> Hi
23.37.58 #       <track> The most annoying people have their names starting with the letters: mi
23.38.19 #       <midknight2k3> wheres ignore.
23.38.25 #       <scott666> right click
23.38.38 #       <midknight2k3> but ignore by ip is different
23.38.46 #       <midknight2k3> i think its /ignore <hostname>
23.38.52 #       <track> lol thats your answer to everything midknight, ignore
23.39.05 #       <midknight2k3> * Added *!jirc@ACBCB536.ipt.aol.com to ignore list
23.39.06 #       <midknight2k3> IT WORKS
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23.39.43 #       <track> yay mid has ignored me!
23.39.44 #       <track> about time too
23.39.47 #       <midknight2k3> er
23.39.49 #       <midknight2k3> ill unignore
23.39.52 #       <midknight2k3> if i can figure it out
23.39.57 #       <arspy87> hey
23.40.01 #       <track> hi arspy
23.40.04 #       <midknight2k3> removed
23.40.06 #       <midknight2k3> there ya go track
23.40.11 #       <track> ok
23.40.14 #       <track> it was a joke mid
23.40.17 #       <midknight2k3> i know
23.40.18 #       <midknight2k3> me too
23.40.19 #       <midknight2k3> :D
23.40.24 #       <midknight2k3> i have a present for you.
23.40.25 #       <arspy87> hello midk
23.40.31 #       <midknight2k3> hi as
23.40.31 #       <track> as in midknight and mikeholden
23.40.33 #       <track> both begin with mi
23.40.34 #       <track> :D
23.40.39 #       <midknight2k3> ohhh lol
23.40.43 #       <arspy87> midk i'm 
23.40.46 #       <midknight2k3> why didnt you say "mik"
23.40.47 #       <arspy87> "spy" here
23.40.53 #       <midknight2k3> ok, spy
23.40.58 #       <arspy87> yay
23.40.59 #       <midknight2k3> i like as better
23.41.03 #       <midknight2k3> as is casual
23.41.06 #       <midknight2k3> hey "as"
23.41.22 #       <arspy87> ok sure :)
23.41.41 #       <track> How old is mikeholden?
23.41.48 #       <midknight2k3> older than you
23.41.51 #       <midknight2k3> hed beat you up
23.41.59 #       <midknight2k3> :)
23.42.13 #       <track> how old?
23.42.19 #       <midknight2k3> dunno
23.42.19 #       <track> 30, 40, 50, 60?
23.42.21 #       <midknight2k3> mikeholden.org
23.42.26 #       <midknight2k3> http://mikeholden.org
23.42.58 #       <arspy87> gotta go be back later
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23.47.10 #       * Laurent_ bows before diff
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23.48.50 #       <arspy87> back
23.49.13 #       <midknight2k3> sur
23.49.16 #       <midknight2k3> dur
23.52.10 #       <arspy87> we meet again, mk
23.55.00 #       <arspy87> midk how's your analog clock coming along?
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23.55.27 #       <midknight2k3> GREAT
23.55.34 #       <diddystar5> it cool
23.55.44 #       <Bluechip> yeah, looked at that the other night - coming along real nice :)
23.55.52 #       <midknight2k3> blue
23.55.55 #       <midknight2k3> its gotten way farter
23.56.00 #       <midknight2k3> farther* :D
23.56.05 #       <Bluechip> further
23.56.10 #       <Bluechip> lol
23.56.11 #       <midknight2k3> i like farther
23.56.17 #       <arspy87> further
23.56.18 #       <midknight2k3> this isnt riovolution
23.56.21 #       <midknight2k3> arspy
23.56.21 #       <midknight2k3> lol
23.56.26 #       <midknight2k3> dont be RRS
23.56.30 #       <midknight2k3> you either Bluechip
23.56.34 #       <arspy87> farther is relative to physical posiiton, further is like progress (i think)
23.56.41 #       <midknight2k3> SHUTUP
23.57.04 #       <arspy87> Og, right, I slipped. Sorry about that. I fixed it. -Spy
23.57.08 #       <arspy87> jk , jk
23.57.08 #       <midknight2k3> fine well physically
23.57.14 #       <midknight2k3> farther
23.57.18 #       <midknight2k3> its physically farther
23.57.26 #       <midknight2k3> like if it were at 5 on the good scale now its at 8
23.57.34 #       <arspy87> "physically" in terms of code, eh? hmm.
23.57.40 #       <arspy87> ah, that makes sense
23.57.43 #       <midknight2k3> jerk
23.57.47 #       <arspy87> but it's a digital scale, no?
23.57.55 #       <arspy87> sorry midk im just giving you a hard time
23.57.58 #       <arspy87> :)
23.58.13 #       <scott666> so its more lines now?
23.58.35 #       <scott666> or did you move your computer to the second floor?
23.58.48 #       <midknight2k3> scott: it's more lines, but more features too