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00.01.33 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: feel free to do it. i'd call it get_mp3_buffer() though :)
00.01.41 #       <Bagder> night
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00.02.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: me too, that was in analogy to plugin_get_buffer()
00.02.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: it's possible to run the halftoning algorithm offline on the box, but not in real time like for games
00.03.41 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: i suggest plugin_get_mp3_buffer()
00.04.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very well.
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00.04.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but what would be the plugin_ prefix be for?
00.05.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the other function returned the plugin buffer, hence the name
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00.05.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> of because it's implemented in the plugin module?
00.05.46 #       <Zagor> yes. it's just for context.
00.05.59 #       <Zagor> or skip plugin_ and just call it get_mp3_buffer
00.06.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, plugin_ is fine, since it has a body there
00.06.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's not just a pointer to an existing function
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00.07.30 #       <Zagor> right
00.08.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any other missing functions, while I'm at it?
00.08.55 #       <Zagor> probably, but none that i can think of right now :)
00.10.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oops, sim builds got worse :(
00.10.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> FM+V2 is fixed
00.11.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> my problem is that I can't test the sim build
00.11.44 #       <elinenbe> hmmm... this is interesting.  seems that the Archos Gmini used to come with a plugin called "Mad Player" where you could create your own music on the device.  Now it no longer comes with that.
00.14.35 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: i'm having weird usb problems, so i can't test the player now.
00.14.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Sorry, thanks for trying.
00.25.14 #       <Zagor> bed time. see you.
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00.49.05 #       <Atrack> i love these new 2100maH batteries!!!
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02.32.55 #       <Strath> mawhahaha!!!
02.33.11 #       <Strath> fudgers added 18 to the window offset
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03.03.48 #       <Strath> could someone do me a favor and telnet to my IP
03.08.48 #       <Strath> am i still here?
03.12.18 #       <arspy87> everyone must be afk
03.12.43 #       <Strath> could you try to telnet/ftp/ping my IP?
03.12.56 #       <arspy87> how do i do that?
03.13.07 #       <Strath> just reexamining my firewall setup
03.13.09 #       <arspy87> oh i can ftp through explorer can i?
03.13.17 #       <Strath> what os?
03.13.21 #       <arspy87> windows xp
03.13.32 #       <Strath> can you get a command prompt?
03.13.42 #       <arspy87> dos prompt you mean?
03.13.45 #       <arspy87> sure
03.13.52 #       <Strath> ok, do that..
03.14.01 #       <arspy87> got one
03.14.14 #       <arspy87> next?
03.14.34 #       <Strath> type in ping followed by my ip address/hostname
03.14.51 #       <Strath> ping dgvlwinas01pool0-a227.wi.tds.net
03.14.52 #       <arspy87> ok whats your ip/host.?
03.14.54 #       <arspy87> k
03.15.18 #       <arspy87> request times out
03.15.19 #       <mcsquared> try tools-on.net.... it has great hacking tools online
03.15.34 #       <Strath> ok, thats good
03.15.34 #       <arspy87> yep, times out 3 times then fails
03.15.40 #       <arspy87> firewall working? :)
03.16.04 #       <Strath> saw a bunch of ya guys ftp'd to my firewall
03.16.31 #       <Strath> (which btw, allowed root logins ;\ )
03.16.37 #       <Strath> heh
03.16.44 #       <arspy87> hmm. i couldnt get to it, but i'm on a firewall too
03.17.21 #       <mcsquared> if u like u can tell me what ports u want scanned- np
03.17.21 #       <Strath> so now default policy is to drop ALL incoming packets not belonging to an established connection
03.17.45 #       <Strath> nope... EVERYTHING is droped now :)
03.18.09 #       <Strath> should be a little safer :)
03.18.11 #       <arspy87> woo :)
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03.18.28 #       <arspy87> once i had a bunch of people listed in my linksys connections window, but not connected
03.18.33 #       <arspy87> whats up with that?
03.19.46 #       <Strath> for now i've only got a counter, but if i were to set up logging, someone could potentaly fill up the drive and (not sure) crash the machine
03.20.19 #       <arspy87> yikes
03.20.34 #       <Strath> well... you know about deep backstop timeouts?
03.20.41 #       <arspy87> what firewall do you use?
03.20.47 #       <arspy87> nah, dont knwo about em
03.21.06 #       <Strath> though checking the addressed that *tried* would be interesting
03.21.28 #       <Strath> such as when a connection goes into FINWAIT?
03.21.46 #       <arspy87> i'm clueless already ;)
03.21.52 #       <Strath> heh
03.21.55 #       <Strath> sorry
03.21.57 #       <bellcraft> lalala
03.22.00 #       <arspy87> np
03.22.02 #       <Strath> english?
03.22.05 #       <arspy87> strath what firewall do you use?
03.22.10 #       <Strath> linux
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03.22.23 #       <arspy87> windows xp apparently comes with a firewall thing
03.22.34 #       <Strath> old junk box loaded up and working flawless for 6 years
03.23.59 #       <arspy87> hmm i may be moving on to some other os in the future, once the tcpa takes over the bioses....
03.24.14 #       <Strath> tcpa?
03.24.23 #       <arspy87> trusted computing platform alliance
03.24.32 #       <arspy87> read about it at http://www.notcpa.org
03.25.32 #       <Strath> so un-tcpa
03.25.39 #       <arspy87> fritz and palladium chips :(
03.25.44 #       <arspy87> yeah... pretty bad
03.25.56 #       <arspy87> there are a bunch of sites
03.26.14 #       <Strath> heh, thats why working of projects like this will become so important in the future
03.26.22 #       <arspy87> they'll kill our mp3 players!
03.26.41 #       <arspy87> and all companies have to purchase licences and so would we mp3 people
03.26.59 #       <arspy87> "you cant have an mp3 on your computer even if the CD is sitting on your shelf"
03.27.21 #       <Strath> no, they'l try to kill anying what doesn't mean a payment to them
03.27.41 #       <arspy87> i have a feeling it won't come into effect though
03.27.47 #       <arspy87> it'll be crushed
03.27.50 #       <arspy87> (imo)
03.27.58 #       <Strath> licenced DRM'ed compilers.....
03.28.07 #       <arspy87> drm drm... bah.
03.28.16 #       <arspy87> well i actually dont really care about the DRM stuff
03.28.33 #       <arspy87> im one of those crazy people who spends lots of money on CDs
03.28.40 #       <Strath> but just think what terrorists could do if they got thier hands on a *compiler*
03.28.41 #       <arspy87> that are now more expensive than DVDs....
03.29.01 #       <Strath> horror of horrors!!
03.29.05 #       <arspy87> that would be nasty...
03.31.00 #       <Strath> that was meant to be sarcastic damnit!
03.31.59 #       <arspy87> lol, i know.
03.32.07 #       <arspy87> j/p with you
03.32.19 #       <Strath> bastage
03.32.23 #       <arspy87> ;)
03.32.29 #       <Strath> pbth :P
03.33.20 #       <arspy87> :-D
03.35.41 #       <arspy87> where is mr. 'chip.
03.35.56 #       <Strath> ?
03.36.20 #       <arspy87> Bluechip
03.36.59 #       <Strath> duknow
03.37.06 #       <arspy87> he's the man
03.37.06 #       <arspy87> lol
03.38.28 #       <Strath> back to coding
03.38.42 #       <arspy87> k
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04.25.59 #       <Strath_> arg
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04.32.01 #       <Strath_> heh
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04.44.29 #       <Strath_> about friggen time :)
05.01.22 #       <arspy87> yo Strath :)
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07.32.10 #       <Strath> i'm baaaaaack
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08.02.21 #       <Strath> hello oxy
08.02.41 #       <oxygen77> hello
08.03.04 #       <Strath> hows it goin?
08.03.28 #       <oxygen77> fine and your decompression
08.03.35 #       <oxygen77> ?
08.03.50 #       <Strath> i got it working, 
08.04.12 #       <Strath> stupid fudgers added 18 to the window offset
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08.04.47 #       <oxygen77> maybe this was done on purpose
08.04.57 #       <Strath> heh
08.05.00 #       <Strath> i know...
08.05.35 #       <Strath> well, i'm just learning the algorithms myself, so i don't know whats common practise
08.05.54 #       <oxygen77> that was also true for me
08.07.27 #       <Strath> ain't it for all :) ( at some point )
08.07.36 #       <oxygen77> yup
08.10.46 #       <Bluechip> well found :)
08.11.05 #       <Strath> well met good sir
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09.40.47 #       <mcsquared> Hey all... does anyone know if AV300 can one-day be made capable of managing a TCP/IP stack via its CF interface?
09.41.16 #       <mcsquared> sorry to interject- but I can't get any response out of Archos
09.43.50 #       <mcsquared> thought you guys would know 'sall
09.44.38 #       <Bluechip> should be possible; that's bad; few of the real hard-core guys are in atm
09.45.21 #       <mcsquared> ah- i imagine its also a matter of developing hardware support
09.45.49 #       <Bluechip> writing a tcpip stack is probably more about finding someone who understands them well enough
09.45.57 #       <mcsquared> but I understand rockbox has something... am just reading up now to see if what parallels there are
09.46.12 #       <Bluechip> rockbox has precisely three somethings
09.46.14 #       <mcsquared> tx... yea
09.46.22 #       <mcsquared> o?
09.47.34 #       <mcsquared> I've got a project I want to dev something for- at the moment I am thinking of using a PDA to do it
09.47.55 #       <mcsquared> but I realised I could use the AV-300 series as it is a USB host
09.48.02 #       <Bluechip> sounds like errr ...."a project" :)
09.48.09 #       <mcsquared> if the ground-work was there
09.48.25 #       <mcsquared> yea... sure is ;)
09.48.32 #       <Bluechip> has it gone now?
09.48.39 #       <Bluechip> given that is WAS there?
09.48.49 #       <mcsquared> :p but hey...
09.49.06 #       <mcsquared> :) no I was just wondering how hard it'd be
09.49.21 #       <mcsquared> spose a few ppl might be wondering htis really
09.49.30 #       <mcsquared> oops- htis=this
09.49.45 #       <Bluechip> everything is easy when you know how to do it
09.49.57 #       <Bluechip> (vaugue answers to vague questions)
09.50.04 #       <mcsquared> hehe
09.50.07 #       <mcsquared> thanks
09.50.27 #       <Bluechip> i do accurate answers too, but I need more precise questions ;)
09.50.42 #       <mcsquared> sure- sorry
09.51.11 #       <Bluechip> I always find it amazing that people are so secretive about what they  are planning to release as GPL - embaffles me
09.52.00 #       <mcsquared> well I want an 802.11(x) adapter to work with one so I can transmit images the AV320 shoots, more or less in real-time 
09.52.12 #       <mcsquared> to a network share
09.52.15 #       <Bluechip> riiight
09.52.32 #       <Bluechip> are hardware mods acceptable?
09.52.39 #       <mcsquared> or via ftp or http...
09.52.52 #       <mcsquared> of course :)
09.54.27 #       <Bluechip> so you want a camera with an ethernet port?
09.54.39 #       <mcsquared> and I also want the AV300 to send the files from (ideally) a removable FAT16 drive on a USB-connected camera
09.54.52 #       <mcsquared> just to make it interesting....
09.55.25 #       <Bluechip> hmmm.....
09.55.58 #       <mcsquared> I was hoping this would be the AV320, and the FAT16 drive would not be necessary cos the AV320 writes (I beleive) directly to the AV300s built in HDD
09.56.04 #       <Bluechip> so you want to take data from a hdd (internal or external) and present it as web pages automatically?
09.56.22 #       <mcsquared> that's one way to do it
09.56.36 #       <mcsquared> or as straight file transfers- I'm easy really
09.57.13 #       <Bluechip> so the core probelm is to get files from the av whilst it is capturing images
09.57.59 #       <mcsquared> yes. I'm not sure if like the WindRiver stuff it requires switching the device out of shoot to file-transfer mode
09.58.25 #       <mcsquared> (most of the WindRiver platform stuff that is- not all)
09.59.06 #       <mcsquared> which is why I am thinking.. heck just use a PDA.
09.59.26 #       <Bluechip> as you say, squirting it out of the CF slot seems most likely ...as CF is essentially an IDE slot ...you can use an IDE->Ethernet adaptor
10.00.15 #       <Bluechip> if PDA is an option, you may well find it easier ...now to locate a PDA with a decent camera built in
10.00.28 #       <mcsquared> not sure about Rockbox for the adpater yet- I've got to read up on that
10.00.44 #       <Bluechip> rockbox is NOTHING to do with the AV series
10.01.09 #       <Bluechip> the man you would need to speak to is "Dogger"
10.01.16 #       <mcsquared> mmm well I don't really want a built in cam see, ideally it'd be connected via usb
10.01.38 #       <mcsquared> yes u are right there- I can see now
10.02.08 #       <mcsquared> mmm was thinking it might be similar somehow
10.02.29 #       <mcsquared> ahhh k.. thanks
10.02.42 #       <Bluechip> similar in as much as it is made by the same company
10.03.12 #       <mcsquared> I'll try to come back later on- haven't eaten for a while (KWIM?)
10.03.31 #       <mcsquared> I'm in Australia- i think he's UK, so I'll pop back l8r
10.03.40 #       <Bluechip> ok m8 - l8rz :)
10.03.45 #       <mcsquared> maybe... hey thanks for your help :)
10.03.54 #       <mcsquared> no worreeez
10.03.54 #       <Bluechip> welcome
10.04.03 #       <mcsquared> ;) Ta mate
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10.48.48 #       <Dogger> hey all
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10.50.33 #       <The_Bald> hi
10.51.37 #       <The_Bald> i need help, does jukebox work in linux?
10.52.06 #       <midhaarrocker> Then I can't help
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10.52.39 #       <The_Bald> ok, thanks midhaarrocker
10.52.40 #       <Dogger> define 'work'
10.52.59 #       <Dogger> what do you mean by jukebox?
10.53.49 #       <The_Bald> i got jukebox archos recorder, i'm now in mandrake 9.2, can i use my archos in linux?
10.54.04 #       <Dogger> of course
10.54.07 #       <webmind> duh :)
10.54.08 #       <Dogger> you mean mount the drive
10.54.23 #       <webmind> it'll apear as a scsi device
10.54.26 #       <Dogger> its just a usb mass storage device
10.54.44 #       <Dogger> just like most digital cameras etc
10.54.47 #       <webmind> if you use more usb mass storage devices, dont forget to unregister them before you take them out :)
10.55.04 #       <Dogger> umount
10.55.17 #       <webmind> no
10.55.20 #       <webmind> unregister
10.55.33 #       <Dogger> unregister???
10.55.35 #       <The_Bald> Dogger, it works my olympus camera in mandrake
10.55.37 #       <webmind> after unmounting it will stay registered as a scsi device...
10.55.37 #       <Dogger> what does that mean
10.55.54 #       <Dogger> that doesnt matter
10.55.59 #       <Dogger> as long as its unmounted
10.56.14 #       <webmind> it does if you use more then 1 usb mass storage device
10.56.19 #       <webmind> i've had some probs with it
10.56.21 #       <Dogger> just means when you connect it again it might get a different ID
10.56.28 #       <Dogger> eg sda2 instead of sda1
10.56.30 #       <Dogger> ok,
10.56.41 #       <webmind> er.. that would be sdb instead of sda
10.57.10 #       <webmind> but it can cause problems in some less common ocaisons
10.57.21 #       <webmind> and curse my spelling
10.57.35 #       <The_Bald> webmind, /dev/sda
10.57.47 #       <Dogger> I mount /dev/sda1
10.57.50 #       <webmind> The_Bald, what ?
10.58.08 #       <Dogger> cant get the jbmm firmware update to mount though
10.58.12 #       <Dogger> it locks up the kernel
10.58.27 #       <The_Bald> mandrake detect my archos like /dev/sda
10.58.52 #       <webmind> The_Bald, yes.. but you mount the first partition.. which is  /dev/sda1
10.59.06 #       <Dogger> mandrake is french and thus should be avoided at all costs
10.59.46 #       <webmind> for similar reasons redhat should be avoided
10.59.54 #       <The_Bald> i got /dev/hd, /dev/hdb,  /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1
11.00.56 #       <webmind> The_Bald, you have 2 scsi cdroms ?
11.01.33 #       <Dogger> ah but redhat is american
11.01.39 #       <Dogger> so the question is.... which is more evil.... america, or france
11.01.54 #       <webmind> america more evil
11.01.55 #       <Dogger> I think france is edging ahead these days
11.01.56 #       <webmind> easy
11.02.14 #       <Dogger> definately the 2 most hated nations in the world
11.02.17 #       <webmind> Dogger, but they have one hell of a load to catch up to
11.02.27 #       <Dogger> true
11.03.09 #       <webmind> i think france these days if even maybe less nationalistic then the us
11.03.10 #       <The_Bald> yes, webmind, dvd and cd-rom
11.03.18 #       <webmind> nice
11.04.00 #       <The_Bald> i'm spanish
11.04.03 #       <The_Bald> and you?
11.05.54 #       <Dogger> british
11.07.30 #       <The_Bald> works now
11.07.37 #       <The_Bald> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/pentax
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11.08.28 #       <Dogger> wonder when manufacturers will start *SAYING* that usb storage devices will work on linux
11.08.38 #       * Strath a US citizen
11.08.38 #       <Dogger> 'designed for linux'
11.10.36 #       <Strath> (not that i give a rats ass about the damnable state of things over here) ;)
11.11.04 #       <The_Bald> do you use linux?
11.11.29 #       <Dogger> everyone who matters uses linux
11.13.25 #       <The_Bald> ok
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12.28.29 #       <midhaarrocker> That was a short visit...
12.34.21 #       <c0utta> all of 20 seconds
12.34.44 #       <midhaarrocker> c0utta: still busy with that f2 / f3 menus?
12.35.46 #       <c0utta> yep.
12.36.09 #       <c0utta> my c programming is very rusty
12.36.19 #       <midhaarrocker> Do you have config files in which the user specifies which entries should appear?
12.37.00 #       <c0utta> yes.  it's only a test so far but it's working OK
12.37.44 #       <midhaarrocker> How do you identify the different commands? Do the have Strings as names and do you parse these names?
12.38.02 #       <c0utta> i have #defined actions for every command
12.38.52 #       <midhaarrocker> Does that mean that the menues are defined at compile time?
12.39.20 #       <c0utta> no, the menus are define on-the-fly
12.39.38 #       <c0utta> the config file is read when f2 is pressed
12.40.00 #       <c0utta> there is an action code that is linked to a language description and a function pointer
12.40.08 #       <midhaarrocker> So these #defined things are not to be mixed up with preprocessor instructions?
12.40.47 #       <c0utta> i don't understand..
12.41.43 #       <c0utta> example: #define  ACTION_SHUFFLE    1
12.41.57 #       <midhaarrocker> When you wrote you had #defined actions my first thought was something like this
12.41.57 #       <midhaarrocker> #define ACTION_PLAY 1
12.42.19 #       <c0utta> the entry 1 appears in a file \.rockbox\f2.map
12.42.45 #       <midhaarrocker> But then you somehow have to map the string for ACTION_SHUFFLE in the config file to 1.
12.43.20 #       <c0utta> i have the following:
12.43.22 #       <c0utta>          case ACTION_SHUFFLE:
12.43.23 #       <c0utta>             items[i].desc = str(LANG_SHUFFLE);
12.43.25 #       <c0utta>             items[i].function = shuffle;
12.43.41 #       <c0utta> i am concentrating on menus at the moment
12.44.39 #       <midhaarrocker> But that means that for every menu item you carry around a (possibly large) string in ram.
12.45.32 #       <midhaarrocker> When I had that problem I thought about compressing these names with some kind of huffman encoding which could reduce that ram usage.
12.45.43 #       <midhaarrocker> But I didn't implement it then.
12.46.13 #       <c0utta> i'm reusing a lot of the code already present in settings_menu.c
12.46.31 #       <c0utta> the menu item already has the string in RAM
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12.50.04 #       <c0utta> do you think i'll blow the ram with my approach ?
12.50.40 #       <midhaarrocker> These item[] things only the items of the menues and not a table of all available commands?
12.50.52 #       <c0utta> correct
12.51.06 #       <midhaarrocker> Ah, I had my mind twisted then.
12.51.16 #       <c0utta> phew, you had me worried
12.51.22 #       <midhaarrocker> Do you keep a table of all available commands?
12.52.16 #       <c0utta> as the lines are read from F2.map, it goes through a switch to work out the language string and the function pointer
12.53.26 #       <c0utta> these are added to the existing menu.c, which uses the language string and the function pointer too
12.54.11 #       <midhaarrocker> Could you give me a typical example line of that F2.map? I might have another mind twist on that...
12.54.30 #       <c0utta> at the moment it's only:
12.54.32 #       <c0utta> 1
12.54.33 #       <c0utta> 2
12.54.34 #       <c0utta> 3
12.54.54 #       <c0utta> i haven't done fonts, rocks, etc yet
12.56.29 #       * midhaarrocker must go eating
12.56.34 #       <midhaarrocker> But I'll be back
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13.37.18 #       <Atrack> hi
13.49.06 #       <The_Bald> bye
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14.27.44 #       <Atrack> how does the greyscale work?
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14.28.35 #       <midhaarrocker> only by pulswidth modultion of the on time of the pixel.
15.04.56 #       <Atrack> ok
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15.24.37 #       * midhaarrocker wonders wether Zagors stays longer than 20 secs this time...
15.24.44 #       <Zagor> yeah :)
15.25.33 #       <midhaarrocker> Have you read the mail about 
15.25.33 #       <midhaarrocker> char mystring[] = "mystring;
15.25.33 #       <midhaarrocker> in plugins?
15.25.58 #       <Zagor> not yet. still 185 unread on my rockbox folder. going through it all now.
15.26.03 #       <midhaarrocker> :)
15.26.50 #       <midhaarrocker> this kind of assignment inernally uses memcpy, which is not available in plugins without the api pointer. 
15.27.06 #       <Zagor> ah, right. classic problem.
15.30.47 #       <midhaarrocker> Can something like this be fixed with macros? 
15.30.55 #       * midhaarrocker knows little about c
15.31.43 #       <Zagor> it can be fixed by not doing that ;)
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15.33.49 #       <Zagor> afair, char* mystring = "mystring"; does not have this problem
15.34.03 #       <midhaarrocker> that's right.
15.34.41 #       <Zagor> so use that instead
15.38.13 #       <midhaarrocker> Just because I'm curious: If I say char mystring[] = "mystring"; does that mean the string is in the code twice?
15.39.01 #       <Zagor> yes. once in the code, and then once again copied into your array.
15.39.27 #       <midhaarrocker> Thus char* mystring = "mystring"; is preferable anyways.
15.39.47 #       <Zagor> yes
15.44.04 #       <midhaarrocker> Assume we'd like to burn the code into some ROM then char* mystring = "mystring"; would produce an unmodifiable string while char  mystring[] = "mystring"; could be altered, right?
15.44.14 #       <Zagor> yes
15.44.42 #       <Zagor> but it would only ever be as large as your hardcoded string, so longer strings couldn't fit. which is not very nice code.
15.45.15 #       <midhaarrocker> Could that effect be used to store global_settings in the flash?
15.45.43 #       <Zagor> no. only hardcoded data (from the .c file) goes into flash
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16.22.04 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.22.06 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.22.10 #       <midhaarrocker> hi
16.22.15 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
16.22.25 #       <quelsaruk> what happened to your long hair?
16.22.37 #       <quelsaruk> and what happened to you all these months?
16.23.23 #       <midhaarrocker> It's growing long again unless I meet someone with scissors
16.23.37 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.25.05 #       <midhaarrocker> And I've been busy at work, than my old recorder broke but now I have a new one.
16.26.28 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
16.26.33 #       <quelsaruk> i also have a new recorder
16.26.39 #       <quelsaruk> but my old one still works.
16.26.58 #       <quelsaruk> many goats had to die.. but still runs
16.27.50 #       <midhaarrocker> Hm. When the goats run your jukebox doesn't :)
16.28.27 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.28.36 #       <quelsaruk> how's your S55?
16.29.17 #       <midhaarrocker> I made a little java program for it to calculate wind speeds
16.29.42 #       <midhaarrocker> http://windspeed.carangg.de/
16.30.29 #       <quelsaruk> cool
16.30.32 #       <midhaarrocker> Help! Zagor is flooding the list!
16.30.39 #       <Zagor> :)
16.30.43 #       <quelsaruk> my  brother found a program to control the computer via bluethooth :)
16.31.08 #       <midhaarrocker> vnc via mobile phone? That's sick!
16.32.08 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
16.33.40 #       <quelsaruk> if you want to see a film on computer and afterwards want to do something else but are too lazy... that program is very interesting :)
16.37.11 #       <quelsaruk> i re-started my gfx-menus again...
16.37.32 #       <midhaarrocker> gfx menus?
16.37.33 #       <quelsaruk> maybe i will finish them someday
16.37.35 #       <quelsaruk> :P
16.37.49 #       <quelsaruk> didn't i show them to you?
16.38.12 #       <midhaarrocker> No. I don't remember anything about gfx menus.
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16.52.29 #       <quelsaruk> ok, i have to go...
16.52.39 #       <midhaarrocker> see you
16.52.39 #       <quelsaruk> cu another day
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17.00.33 #       <Dogger> hello?
17.00.42 #       <midhaarrocker> helo
17.00.50 #       <Dogger> server problems?
17.01.10 #       <Zagor> where?
17.01.27 #       <Dogger> everyone disapeared off the irc channel
17.01.36 #       <Dogger> any developers about?
17.01.45 #       <Zagor> ah, yes it split. that happens sometimes.
17.01.52 #       <Zagor> i am
17.01.57 #       <Dogger> thought so :)
17.02.41 #       <Dogger> check out my first program with LCD for av300: http://avos.sf.net/v5.avi
17.02.42 #       <midhaarrocker> I'm only a timesink for the real developers :=
17.02.53 #       <Dogger> lemmie know if the video works ok
17.03.54 #       <midhaarrocker> my ancient winamp doesn't show video, but seems to try to play audio (I have no speakers here)
17.04.32 #       <Zagor> works for me. it's an etch-a-sketch ;)
17.04.34 #       <Dogger> final picture: http://avos.sf.net/img.png
17.04.38 #       <Dogger> yep :)
17.04.41 #       <Zagor> nice
17.04.44 #       <Dogger> I made an etch-a-sketch!
17.04.53 #       <Dogger> wonder if archos consider it 'nonsense software'
17.05.02 #       <midhaarrocker> :) Turtle graphics!
17.05.13 #       <Dogger> (they told me they didnt want to open it up because people might run nonsense software on it'
17.05.21 #       <Dogger> snake next?
17.05.28 #       <Zagor> haha. well ignore them...
17.05.31 #       <Dogger> or perhaps some sprite drawing routines
17.05.50 #       <Dogger> still need to work out the rest of the hardware,
17.06.03 #       <Zagor> what graphics controller is it?
17.06.07 #       <Dogger> but now I can get buttons, write to LCD, read/write from uart -> laptop
17.06.12 #       <Dogger> torisan something
17.06.20 #       <Dogger> lc272c1b I think
17.06.25 #       <Dogger> sanyo
17.06.33 #       <Dogger> couldnt find any info on it tho
17.06.55 #       <Zagor> no chip markings?
17.07.26 #       <Dogger> has some other numbers on it yeah
17.07.32 #       <Dogger> couldnt find any trace of them either
17.07.36 #       <Dogger> sanyo website is pretty bad
17.08.05 #       <Zagor> have you taken any pictures of the boards yet?
17.09.30 #       <Zagor> actually putting them in a flat-bed scanner gives the best results
17.09.42 #       <Dogger> really? :) nice to know
17.09.52 #       <Dogger> yeah we have various photos of the boards
17.09.59 #       <Dogger> its pretty easy to take the av300 to bits
17.10.08 #       <Dogger> whats more useful is using the emulator tho
17.10.19 #       <Dogger> then you can see what the official firmware does with the hardware
17.10.51 #       <Zagor> yeah, sounds good
17.12.09 #       <Dogger> am going fast now :)
17.12.22 #       <Dogger> not sure what to do re. archos' objections now though
17.12.46 #       <Dogger> sorry - bullying and threatening I mean :)
17.18.14 #       <Bluechip> video works fine - well done mate :)
17.22.35 #       <Dogger> kewl :)
17.22.48 #       <Dogger> I have a $650 etch a sketch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17.22.53 #       <Bluechip> LMAO
17.23.06 #       <Zagor> hehe
17.23.36 #       <Bluechip> And if it doesn't qualify as nonsense software, I'm sure we can dumb it down somehow ;)
17.23.41 #       <midhaarrocker> Including etched pcbs
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17.24.40 #       <Dogger> I mean 'nonsense software'! who the hell do they think they are telling me what software I can and cant run!
17.24.45 #       <Bluechip> whilst I am online at a different time from normal ....does anyone here what I can use in windoze to create a new font for rockbox
17.24.53 #       <Dogger> if I want to run an infinite loop, I damn well will
17.25.24 #       <Bluechip> dogger: I think one it's all going we should have a competition of who can write the worst program
17.25.35 #       <Dogger> lol good idea
17.25.57 #       <Dogger> IMHO archos firmware is nonsense software
17.26.02 #       <Dogger> cos its rubbish
17.26.05 #       <Bluechip> lol
17.26.06 #       <Zagor> Dogger: i think they will make up any excuse not to open themselves up. they simply don't want to. and that's fine with me, we don't need their help.
17.26.08 #       <Bluechip> good call
17.26.23 #       <Dogger> I dont mind them not opening up
17.26.29 #       <Dogger> I worked everything put myself
17.26.37 #       <Zagor> exactly
17.26.40 #       <Dogger> I DO mind them getting a lawyer to threaten me
17.26.45 #       <Zagor> yeah
17.26.52 #       <Dogger> working it out is satisfying anyway
17.26.56 #       <Dogger> like a giant crossword
17.27.05 #       <Dogger> although a bit slower :)
17.29.58 #       <Bluechip> Zagor ...what are the chances of the "win32sim build 8" patch being included in cvs?
17.30.37 #       <Zagor> i don't know. i haven't looked at it yet. but bagder seemed to like it, so i expect we'll add it.
17.31.25 #       <Bluechip> it's nothing new really, just a bunch of maintenance work that was long overdue (that is NOT a criticism, just an observation)
17.31.26 #       <midhaarrocker> Bluechip: is that the patch where you ifdefed each single function?
17.31.45 #       <midhaarrocker> (eg. in mpeg.c)
17.32.01 #       <Bluechip> Yes, But I think I did it in a tidier way than the last person who did the same thing
17.33.07 #       <midhaarrocker> It looked very tidy, no doubt. But I was about to ask you wether you considered to have a replacement file for mpeg.c (and similar) to be included in sim builds only?
17.33.45 #       <Bluechip> I tried to adhere as closely as possible to the current coding style
17.34.00 #       <Bluechip> dont really want the effort of a complete rewrite
17.34.12 #       <Bluechip> did you read my reply to Badgers post?
17.34.29 #       <midhaarrocker> probably
17.34.34 #       * midhaarrocker tries to find it again
17.34.39 #       <Bluechip> sourceforge
17.34.49 #       <midhaarrocker> ah, in the patch tracker?
17.34.52 #       <Bluechip> :)
17.35.02 #       <Bluechip> second page
17.35.48 #       <Bluechip> Linus has also seen the patch and nodded except at my (now corrected) fix for browse_root
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17.43.39 #       <midhaarrocker> As I see you have considered the option of substituting mpeg.c for simulators and decided against for some reasons. I just wanted to make sure you considered them.
17.44.38 #       <Bluechip> Yes that's cool - I have not "ignored" any ideas or comments, and hopefully managed to give a comprehensive reason where I have not agreed
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17.51.16 #       <diddystar5> Zagor: have time to see the new vu meter?
17.51.52 #       <midhaarrocker> diddystar5: did you manage to use the peakmeter routines?
17.52.11 #       <diddystar5> midhaarrocker: not yet, but i have added a few things
17.52.21 #       <diddystar5> midhaarrocker: mostly made it much smoother
17.53.38 #       * midhaarrocker is curious to see it.
17.54.19 #       <diddystar5> sure thing
17.54.20 #       <diddystar5> one sec
17.54.37 #       <midhaarrocker> no haste, I'm at work and have no recorder here.
17.54.38 #       <elinenbe|out> midhaarrocker: hello again... I like that you are back around here, although what is the deal with your hair!
17.55.15 #       <diddystar5> i still need to simlify the code
17.55.21 #       <diddystar5> its quite a mess rightn ow
17.55.30 #       <diddystar5> im using more ints than i need
17.56.01 #       <elinenbe|out> midhaarrocker: I think that your patch is very confusing for a "normal" user
17.56.05 #       <diddystar5> and i think im going to simlify my if's with use_log_scale ? blah : blah;
17.56.18 #       <elinenbe|out> midhaarrocker: I don't really understand all the settings at all.
17.56.33 #       <midhaarrocker> elinenbe|out: Somehow I decided against my hair all of a sudden without any serious reason.
17.57.01 #       <midhaarrocker> elinenbe|out: are you talking about the trigger?
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17.58.00 #       <elinenbe> midhaarrocker: yeah
17.58.22 #       <midhaarrocker> But you know what the volume triggered recording is about?
17.58.59 #       <midhaarrocker> (concluding from the message in the patch tracker you do)
17.59.28 #       <elinenbe> midhaarrocker: yeah, it is to automatically create breaks when recording from something like a CD.  Each track becomes a track.
18.00.49 #       <midhaarrocker> Well you need a threshold to decide what is signal and what is the noise floor. That is what the "start above" / "stop below" is about.
18.04.15 #       <midhaarrocker> And then there are the times that specify for how long the threshold must be exceeded to start or stop the recording.
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18.04.47 #       <elinenbe> I am not sure, but It would be better if the names were more decriptive.
18.04.55 #       <elinenbe> mabe make it like a menu system...
18.05.12 #       <elinenbe> were each line scrolls and you "go in" to an item to change the settings.
18.06.17 #       <diddystar5> i just had a cool idea1
18.06.18 #       <diddystar5> 1
18.06.34 #       <diddystar5> im going to make a etch a scetch for rockbox!
18.06.44 #       <midhaarrocker> elinenbe: I thought that that approach makes the thing even more difficult to control as you don't see all the parameters on one screen that relate to each other.
18.07.29 #       <midhaarrocker> diddystar5: you should call it av300 emulator though...
18.07.44 #       <diddystar5> heh
18.08.32 #       <diddystar5> it should be hours of fun drawing on your archos
18.09.32 #       <Dogger> you had a cool idea???
18.09.41 #       <Dogger> damn u!!!!! j/king
18.09.54 #       <diddystar5> lol
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18.21.48 #       <elinenbe> midhaarrocker: I guess, I just think that the names should be more descriptive and scroll on each one.
18.22.19 #       <elinenbe> Dogger: why don't you release the source for you "etch-a-sketch"?
18.22.42 #       <midhaarrocker> elinenbe  Do you have proposals how I might name them?
18.22.42 #       <diddystar5> elinenbe: thats very easy to make :)
18.23.06 #       <diddystar5> im actually making it now
18.23.22 #       <elinenbe> midhaarrocker: no, I am not even sure what they all do! :D
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18.24.37 #       <midhaarrocker> "Start above" = trigger threshold, "for at least" = the duration the threshold must be exceeded to trigger off.
18.24.41 #       <Dogger> elinenbe: cos no one else can run it
18.24.54 #       <Dogger> i will soon
18.25.16 #       <elinenbe> midhaarrocker: maybe that is what they should be named then :D
18.28.59 #       <midhaarrocker> That doesn't fit onto the screen. I could call them "threshold" and "duration", but then I thought that is to hight tech and even less descriptive than "Start above[-30]db for at least [2]s".
18.44.24 #       <elinenbe> I will look at it again right now, and tell you what I think.
18.44.32 #       <elinenbe> try my F3 patch on the patch tracker :)
18.44.35 #       <elinenbe> I like that one!
18.44.47 #       <elinenbe> it is very simple, but I like it...
18.44.51 #       <diddystar5> what f3 patch?
18.45.05 #       <elinenbe> makes F3 the playlist viewer
18.45.11 #       <diddystar5> ohh
18.45.21 #       <bc|bbs> have people here seen the incredible menu patch from dwhino?
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18.45.35 #       <diddystar5> did you knwo that f1+on goes to the song info?
18.45.54 #       <diddystar5> and there was another odd one...
18.47.20 #       <diddystar5> oh f1+play mutes
18.47.36 #       <Bluechip> weird
18.48.00 #       <diddystar5> i never knew that until i started playing with key combinations last night
18.48.30 #       <diddystar5> im going to make apatch to move the pitch setting out of the on menu
18.48.43 #       <diddystar5> it belongs in sound settings
18.48.49 #       <Bluechip> hey! ...I user that!
18.48.57 #       <Bluechip> and it is NOT a sound option!?
18.49.12 #       <Bluechip> it's "playback control"
18.49.36 #       <diddystar5> not imo
18.49.52 #       <diddystar5> it shouldnt be in the on menu imo
18.50.18 #       <diddystar5> i htink the on menu should be made a "quick" menu for stuff like song info, playlist viewer etc
18.50.23 #       <midhaarrocker> diddystar5: it's a special feature for djs to adjust the speed of playback in order to match it to other songs. It _must_ remain in the on menu or somwhere accessible without menues.
18.50.53 #       <diddystar5> well the pitch setting soundsl like crap when changing it, and its slow
18.51.08 #       <diddystar5> and it crashes you unit when you go above 175
18.51.29 #       <midhaarrocker> No dj will change more than a few %
18.51.42 #       <diddystar5> i was just playing with it then
18.51.48 #       <diddystar5> but its still a bug :)
18.51.53 #       <Bluechip> then why not write a patch that (a) fixes on+left and on+right and (b) limits the ceiling to 175 ?? :)  ...that would be much appreciated :)
18.52.05 #       <diddystar5> ok
18.52.18 #       <diddystar5> but i have more ideas for better quick menus
18.52.23 #       <diddystar5> and better....
18.52.38 #       <Bluechip> did you see dwhino's work
18.52.40 #       <Bluechip> ?
18.52.42 #       <midhaarrocker> For a dj the on menu is very ergonomical.
18.53.15 #       <diddystar5> no
18.53.43 #       <diddystar5> i had a patch up for a while that had a cool quick menu, but i want to make it better so its down atm
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18.55.20 #       <midhaarrocker> diddystar5: have you ever tried to match the speed / beat phase of a song to another one that is playing from some other device?
18.55.35 #       <diddystar5> no
18.55.59 #       <diddystar5> have had no reason to
18.56.11 #       <midhaarrocker> You should try. Unless you find something that works better than the quick keys as they do no I vote against changing them.
18.57.57 #       <diddystar5> ok
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19.11.43 #       <diddystar5> i think maybe customised menus would be good
19.11.56 #       <diddystar5> so people can make there menus quick for waht they do
19.12.13 #       <diddystar5> i think there was a disscusion a long time ago on that....
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20.16.21 #       <Atrack> Hi
20.18.36 #       <diddystar5> hi
20.18.44 #       <Atrack> hi did
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20.23.51 #       <Atrack> that check in/check out on those Sony devices is bad
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20.28.54 #       <diddystar5> bye
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20.31.25 #       <elinenbe> new ipod out
20.33.33 #       <Zagor> 4 gigs for $249! they sure know how to charge for their stuff :-)
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20.36.14 #       <Norrin> Wow, build 040106 doesn't like my FM recorder.
20.37.36 #       <Zagor> Norrin: what happens?
20.38.16 #       <Norrin> I've tried two different things.  First I downloaded the new firmware.  Rebooted and flashed it.
20.39.07 #       <Norrin> Once I reboot again, I get strange numbers then it tries to ROLO which also doesn't work.  Standby, I'll put 040106 back in and tell you exactly what it does.
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20.40.16 #       <quelsaruk> it's me again
20.41.23 #       <Norrin> It says something about CPUadr and Illadr I believe prior to it shutting down.
20.42.13 #       <Norrin> Illinstr and CPUadrer are the errors
20.42.20 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, i have a weird experience to comment
20.43.05 #       <quelsaruk> is it normal that when charging the batts... you see a 64%, half an hour later.. 47%, 5 minutes later 45%, 1 hour later 85%
20.43.22 #       <Zagor> you shouldn't see a number at all when charging batteries
20.43.42 #       <quelsaruk> zagor... i'm using a pre-2.1 flashed version
20.43.44 #       <quelsaruk> :P
20.43.56 #       <quelsaruk> maybe that's why...
20.44.21 #       <Zagor> voltage level is incorrect during charging, so we show an animation instead
20.44.39 #       <quelsaruk> yes.. i like that animation :)
20.47.10 #       <Norrin> Zagor:  I put 040105 back in and it works as advertised.
20.47.39 #       <Zagor> Norrin: ok, thanks. we'll look into it.
20.51.28 #       <Zagor> no extra credit for guessing it was jörgs change that broke it ;)
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20.52.14 #       <Callan> hi!
20.53.12 #       <Callan> I have two questions about rockbox and archos... anyone here? ::)
20.53.45 #       <quelsaruk> yups
20.53.50 #       <quelsaruk> me
20.53.59 #       <quelsaruk> shoot
20.54.44 #       <Callan> *blamm*
20.54.55 #       <quelsaruk> :)
20.54.56 #       <Callan> okay. first is about a feature: bookmarks in songs
20.55.06 #       <Callan> as far as I see, there is none as that
20.55.34 #       <Callan> but how can rockbox remember the position in a mp3 when I power my archos down and restart it later?
20.56.01 #       <quelsaruk> rockbox is very intelligent ;)
20.56.08 #       <Callan> *lol*
20.57.11 #       <quelsaruk> ok, rockbox writes that so when you power it on again, just reading that info can resume the song
20.57.25 #       <_aLF> Callan> it saves the position very often
20.58.28 #       <Callan> couldn't this function be used to emulate bookmarks? just go to the position within the song and then do a button combination?
20.58.37 #       <Callan> +to save the position
20.58.58 #       <quelsaruk> umm
20.59.05 #       <quelsaruk> there's a bookmark patch already
20.59.10 #       <quelsaruk> AFAIK
20.59.46 #       <hardeep> Callan: see http://www.samuraipanda.com/bookmarks-latest.zip for a build that includes the bookmarking feature
20.59.48 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, the bookmark patch is already a plugin or still a non-merged feature?
20.59.53 #       <quelsaruk> ok
21.00.01 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.00.02 #       <Zagor> still non-merged. but the latest version looks promising.
21.00.13 #       <Callan> uh? nice!
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21.00.18 #       <quelsaruk> hardeep was faster than you :)
21.00.44 #       <Callan> well, I have only one song where I need it but there I need it!
21.01.02 #       <quelsaruk> hehehe
21.01.24 #       <Plugh> hi guys. I haven't flashed a new version in a while and figured it was time to do so. Unfortunately I can't play a ucl anymore. It says incompatible version
21.01.44 #       <Callan> okay. second question about using the archos as an image tank
21.01.58 #       <Callan> as far as I know there is a solution for the multimedia versions...
21.02.11 #       <Plugh> definately
21.02.15 #       <quelsaruk> Plugh, you have to download a new rockbox version and the rocks too
21.02.27 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.02.31 #       <Callan> any chance I could connect a CF-card somehow to a recorder and transfer the content?
21.03.27 #       <Plugh> quelsaruk: thanks. That was enough of a hint
21.03.43 #       <quelsaruk> Plugh, i had that problem too :)
21.03.44 #       <Plugh> I'd done that, but didn't think to rolo new code before playing the ucl ;)
21.03.50 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
21.03.55 #       <elinenbe> there is one feature that the original Archos Firmware had that Rockbox still lacks: sound during FF and RW
21.04.20 #       <Zagor> Callan: not without hardware modifications
21.04.34 #       <quelsaruk> Callan, there was a hardware mod in thoughts... but never done
21.04.54 #       <Callan> hmmmz. I just thought about some sort of cardreader using the upcoming USB-on-the-go
21.04.58 #       <Dogger> hey do any old devices have pallettes?
21.05.02 #       <Dogger> or all black/white?
21.05.04 #       <Plugh> elinenbe: a lot of changes just happened to mp3 playback code
21.05.20 #       <Zagor> Dogger: only black/white
21.05.24 #       <Dogger> k
21.05.31 #       <Plugh> it might be technically possible now to do playback with ff/rw
21.05.38 #       <Dogger> am trying to work out pallette on av300.... guess work really
21.05.51 #       <Zagor> Callan: usb on-the-go requires hardware support. the recorder doesn't have it
21.06.02 #       <Plugh> good to seeya still working on stuff Dogger :)
21.06.04 #       <Zagor> Plugh: it is possible. but is it worth it?
21.06.12 #       <Dogger> Plugh: thanks :)
21.06.15 #       <Plugh> Zagor: imo, yes
21.06.23 #       <Zagor> then do it ;)
21.06.32 #       <Dogger> my pallette display prog: http://avos.sf.net/pal1.png
21.06.37 #       <Plugh> I play 70-90 min DJ sets
21.06.49 #       <Callan> Zagor: as far as I read about the standard when preparing for my diploma thesis, you only need one device with UotG support
21.06.50 #       <Plugh> and there's times I want to seek a certain track
21.06.56 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, are you sure you don't have spanish blood??
21.07.38 #       <Zagor> Callan: oh, ok. well then it could work with an otg card reader i suppose.
21.07.47 #       <Callan> hmmmz.
21.08.02 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: maybe a few drops somewhere :)
21.08.18 #       <Callan> I suppose it would be to complicated to design some sort of hardware on my own to do that ^^;
21.08.18 #       <Plugh> Sit archive contains plug-in for OS 9.x and OS X and images to show where to put the plug-in. To create Playlists from Apple's i-Tunes program for all Archos MP3 players.
21.08.22 #       <Plugh> hmmm
21.08.32 #       <Zagor> Callan: i would think so, yes :)
21.09.08 #       <Callan> other solution: inversion of the device I use to backup my PS2 savegames on PC
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21.09.38 #       <Callan> both PS2 and PC have an USB host, this thingie is used as a bridge between both and makes it possible to transfer data from one to another
21.10.26 #       <Zagor> Callan: yeah. the problem is we have the opposite situation: two clients. and as you know, clients don't poll
21.10.54 #       <Callan> yep. they are not allowed to send data without question from above
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21.11.47 #       <Callan> hmmmz. all what is needed is some sort of host supporting two USB mass-storage-devices and have a button to copy everything from A to a directory in B
21.11.56 #       <Zagor> yup
21.12.14 #       <Callan> okay, who will take care of the "all" at the beginning of my sentence? ^_-
21.12.20 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.13.39 #       <Callan> okay, so much about my idea. I've just ordered a new digi-cam, my idea derives from not-buying-to-much-cf-cards
21.13.40 #       <Callan> ^^
21.13.41 #       <quelsaruk> isn't it easier to plug the cf to the computer??
21.14.00 #       <Callan> quelsaruk: I seldom carry my computer around the landscape
21.14.38 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.16.32 #       <Callan> at least, not when it is not saturday or sylvester
21.16.38 #       <Callan> tzaziki! *brb*
21.17.01 #       <quelsaruk> ?
21.17.44 #       <Callan> you don't know tzaziki?
21.18.25 #       <quelsaruk> nops
21.18.31 #       <Callan> uh
21.18.42 #       <Callan> you're not from europe, are you?
21.18.58 #       <quelsaruk> of course
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21.19.16 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, ask logbot to explain me, pliz
21.19.18 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
21.19.23 #       <Zagor> haha
21.19.29 #       <Zagor> logbot explain quelsaruk
21.19.38 #       <Callan> eh? are you or are you not? ^^;
21.19.43 #       <Zagor> seems he doesn't know you :)
21.19.46 #       <quelsaruk> ouch!
21.19.51 #       <quelsaruk> he knew me
21.19.55 #       <quelsaruk> Callan, i'm Spanish
21.20.23 #       <Callan> hmmmz. weeeeeell
21.20.35 #       <Callan> tzaziki derives from greek, as far as I know
21.20.53 #       <quelsaruk> logbot, how could you forget me!!
21.20.59 #       <quelsaruk> and what does that mean?
21.21.17 #       <quelsaruk> i know just some few greek words, 
21.21.26 #       <quelsaruk> spanish comes from latin :P
21.21.33 #       <Callan> some sort of dip or dressing, cold temperature
21.21.55 #       <quelsaruk> ahhhmm...
21.22.04 #       <Callan> mostly made of curd, often contains cucumber and spices
21.22.06 #       <Callan> ah
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21.22.43 #       <Callan> and, citation free from matrix: "garlic! lots of garlic!"
21.22.49 #       <quelsaruk> ahh
21.22.54 #       <quelsaruk> "sarsiki"
21.22.56 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
21.22.59 #       <Callan> eh
21.23.04 #       <Callan> ¬_¬
21.23.05 #       <quelsaruk> spanish translation
21.23.07 #       <quelsaruk> :D
21.23.12 #       <Callan> *g*
21.23.24 #       <Callan> yeah. half a pound for me alone!
21.23.31 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.24.31 #       <Callan> there's not much better for gyrus or doener
21.24.53 #       <Callan> well, regarding gyrus, there is the one salsa
21.27.26 #       <Callan> okay, good night!
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21.34.20 #       <elinenbe> logbot seen elinenbe
21.34.51 #       <quelsaruk> i think logbot is away today
21.35.39 #       <Zagor> he's simply not talking in the channel. he will respond privately.
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21.36.52 #       <quelsaruk> ahhh
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21.38.30 #       <Guest> hiya
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21.48.13 #       <quelsaruk> hi [IDC]Dragon
21.51.55 #       <quelsaruk> [IDC]Dragon, i was wondering... do you have a program to create those "videos"??
21.52.25 #       <scott666> quelsaruk: yes, he does, and its available
21.52.43 #       <scott666> look in the mail archives
21.52.51 #       <quelsaruk> ouch
21.52.54 #       <quelsaruk> missa stupid
21.52.54 #       <quelsaruk> :P
21.59.40 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: here is a challenge for ya!  FF/RW with sound ala original firmware... now that you just redid much of the mpeg code.
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22.04.01 #       <SilSha> hello
22.04.05 #       <quelsaruk> hi
22.04.21 #       <SilSha> one moment
22.04.23 #       <SilSha> i must read the faq :)
22.04.39 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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22.04.57 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, that notice works :)
22.05.11 #       <SilSha> i have a question to the hardware mods
22.05.11 #       <Zagor> hehe
22.05.24 #       <SilSha> is it possible to use an 80gig hd in the jukebox
22.05.25 #       <quelsaruk> which mod?
22.05.32 #       <quelsaruk> AFAIK yes
22.05.40 #       <SilSha> are there limits?
22.05.50 #       <Zagor> i have an 80 gig disk
22.06.00 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know...
22.06.03 #       <SilSha> uh very nice Zagor :)
22.06.08 #       <Zagor> no limit afaik
22.06.17 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, how much was that?
22.06.29 #       <quelsaruk> a 60GB is nearly 180 Euros
22.06.34 #       <quelsaruk> at least here
22.06.35 #       <quelsaruk> :(
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22.06.50 #       <SilSha> when a 2,5'' hd with 120gig come out tomorrow (just an example *g*) can i use ist in the jukebox?
22.06.57 #       <Zagor> SilSha: yes
22.07.01 #       <SilSha> yes 180euros i must pay for 60gig
22.07.08 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: i don't remember how much it cost
22.07.11 #       <Zagor> hi bagder
22.07.17 #       <Bagder> howdy
22.07.18 #       <quelsaruk> hi Bagder :)
22.07.28 #       <SilSha> 80gig is to expensive here
22.07.33 #       <SilSha> at the moment
22.08.48 #       <quelsaruk> the same :)
22.11.21 #       <Guest> hi bagder
22.11.35 #       <Bagder> hi track
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22.12.47 #       <SilSha> hm at the moment i hove no more questions *g*
22.13.21 #       <SilSha> but i think this is good because my english is not the best and i don't want torment you with my english :)
22.13.29 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, how's that new UI development? (nearly 6 months ago...)
22.13.41 #       <Bagder> don't look at me ;-)
22.14.05 #       <Zagor> SilSha: hehe, don't worry. most of us are not native english speakers.
22.14.14 #       <quelsaruk> SilSha, AFAIK, "guest" is the only native english here :P
22.14.17 #       <SilSha> ok Zagor
22.15.04 #       <SilSha> he can be our teacher if we say something wrong *g*
22.15.09 #       <Guest> im sure there is another english person her
22.15.11 #       <Guest> here
22.15.32 #       <SilSha> oh no he is not a good teacher he has made a mistake :)
22.16.52 #       <Guest> well look at bagder, badger mis-spelt
22.17.03 #       <Zagor> hehe
22.17.14 #       <Bagder> that only proves the point of us being non-native english guys
22.17.27 #       <Bagder> I'm dyslexic
22.17.32 #       <Bagder> or perhaps not
22.17.47 #       <quelsaruk> logbot explain Bagder
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22.24.31 #       <quelsaruk> umm
22.25.01 #       <SilSha> i will go now and watch a movie 
22.25.12 #       <SilSha> and the next days i will buy me a bigger hd
22.25.19 #       <SilSha> perhaps we will see us again
22.25.24 #       <SilSha> when i have problems *g*
22.25.28 #       <quelsaruk> since splash functions saw the light... are there imprevements??
22.25.52 #       <SilSha> but i hope we will not see again *g*
22.26.07 #       <SilSha> so have a nice rest of the day 
22.26.15 #       <quelsaruk> SilSha, cu!
22.26.16 #       <SilSha> good bye
22.26.23 #       <SilSha> oh no not cu :)
22.26.38 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
22.26.48 #       <SilSha> :P
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22.29.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi again, sorry I was AFK
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22.29.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> quelsaruk: you found the tool?
22.29.52 #       <quelsaruk> not really
22.30.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ?
22.30.03 #       <quelsaruk> too many things to find in the net
22.30.04 #       <quelsaruk> :(
22.30.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not in the wide open net, only in my webspace
22.31.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: FF/FR with sound is definitely on my whish list, I'll do it one day
22.31.43 #       <quelsaruk> [IDC]Dragon, sorry, i wanted to say that i have to find *too* many things in the net (apart from that tool), and i had no time to search your site :(
22.32.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it was just because you asked for my video converter tool
22.33.50 #       <quelsaruk> yes
22.34.14 #       <quelsaruk> :)
22.34.16 #       <quelsaruk> arrgg
22.34.32 #       <quelsaruk> i can't explain myself
22.44.08 #       <Guest> my wishlist is sound for the rvf files
22.44.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mine too
22.45.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> waiting for Linus to clarify something...
22.45.26 #       <Guest> or some way to connect the archos to an external monitor to watch the rvf file on a larger screen
22.45.26 #       <Guest> :D
22.45.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> haha
22.46.03 #       <Guest> lol
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22.46.52 #       <quelsaruk> that is what i first thought :)
22.47.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and we should make it multi-colored by switching the backlight very fast, too
22.47.16 #       <quelsaruk> wasn't there an idea of making a mod to use a external "display"??
22.47.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not for video, for remote control
22.48.00 #       <atrack> ok
22.48.20 #       <atrack> we have bagder, zagor, adi but sadly no linus :-(
22.49.03 #       <quelsaruk> hehehe
22.49.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> does anybody else know about the interrupts in mp3 playback?
22.49.34 #       <atrack> no
22.49.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the existing code is strange
22.49.37 #       <quelsaruk> [IDC]Dragon, but i know you will find the way to do that :P
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22.50.05 #       <Bagder> the mp3 playback is Linus' territory ;-)
22.50.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I know
22.50.27 #       <atrack> so whats ur terrotory bag?
22.50.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> script wizardcraft?
22.50.52 #       <Bagder> being rude, sleeping a lot, and similar things ;-)
22.51.03 #       <atrack> lol
22.51.07 #       <Bagder> seriously...
22.51.13 #       <atrack> im still sorry about the mikeholden joke
22.51.38 #       <Bagder> I've written loads of scripts, much of the simulator stuff and other
22.51.45 #       <atrack> cool
22.52.04 #       <atrack> yea sorry about the mikeholden joke
22.52.05 #       <atrack> :-)
22.52.06 #       <atrack> ;-)
22.52.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the simulator alway bites my builds in the bak ;)
22.52.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> back
22.52.28 #       <Bagder> hehe
22.52.42 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: do you have an fm? (i never remember who has what...)
22.52.51 #       <Bagder> I'm not too happy with all the quirks of the sim build, but I like the general concepts of the sim
22.53.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> primarily a Rec
22.53.14 #       <atrack> there are some requests in the feature request page that are fixed but are still showing "none"
22.53.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have an FM wreck
22.54.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: I don't like all those too many #ifndef SIMULATOR in the code
22.54.27 #       <Bagder> I agree
22.54.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if the APIs are clean and implemented, we shouldn't need such
22.55.18 #       <atrack> archos dont' make the FM recorder anymore
22.55.25 #       <Zagor> we can never get away from them. it's not just a question of clean apis. different models have different functions, so need different code.
22.55.51 #       <atrack> they are too busy correcting bugs in the new machines like the gmini or av3xx series
22.56.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can make empty inline functions for nonexisting stuff
22.56.38 #       <atrack> they now do on the fly video editing for the AV3XX series
22.57.26 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: that does not make the code much prettier...
22.57.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> shure you can't completely avoid it.
22.58.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this was no criticism, don't get me wrong
22.58.58 #       <Zagor> i don't :)
22.59.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and the difference between player and the others is quite big
23.02.28 #       <atrack> idcdragon its spelt "sure" not "shure"
23.02.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is it?
23.03.07 #       <quelsaruk> sure
23.03.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.03.10 #       <Zagor> yeah
23.03.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> all the time?
23.03.27 #       <atrack> and badger is not spelt as bagder
23.03.34 #       <quelsaruk> all the time
23.03.35 #       <Zagor> that's on purpose
23.03.35 #       * Bagder giggles
23.03.45 #       <atrack> lol
23.03.46 #       <Bagder> *I* spell bagder
23.03.53 #       <Bagder> the animal doesn't
23.03.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's always been?
23.03.53 #       <atrack> ok
23.03.56 #       <atrack> ;-)
23.04.02 #       * quelsaruk lends Bagder his ritual knife
23.04.08 #       <atrack> well badgers can't play with rockbox
23.04.17 #       <quelsaruk> i know he's not a goat.. but...
23.04.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I must have misspelled that thousands of times
23.04.29 #       * Bagder puts on his "make track look like a goat" goggles and tells q to go sacrifice
23.04.40 #       <atrack> lol bag
23.04.48 #       <quelsaruk> :P
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23.05.24 #       <atrack> my archos has the 8mb buffer
23.05.25 #       <atrack> :D
23.05.43 #       <quelsaruk> really?
23.05.53 #       <quelsaruk> mb or MB?
23.06.03 #       <atrack> 8 megabyte buffer
23.06.11 #       <quelsaruk> cool
23.06.12 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.06.19 #       <atrack> followed the mod on here
23.06.25 #       <quelsaruk> made yourself??
23.06.42 #       <atrack> yea
23.06.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very useful for video an JPEG viewer, you'll like it
23.06.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and
23.06.48 #       <atrack> i know
23.07.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but I buried the JPEG for a little while, the decoder is buggy
23.07.28 #       <quelsaruk> i'll try with my old box
23.07.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and those bugs are very hard to find
23.07.56 #       <atrack> lol
23.13.48 #       <quelsaruk> ok
23.13.53 #       <quelsaruk> i'm leaving...
23.13.57 #       <quelsaruk> cu another day
23.14.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bye
23.14.32 #       <quelsaruk> ha det sa bra!
23.14.35 #       <Bagder> night quelsaruk
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23.29.53 #       <O_Govinda> I'd like to report a problem similar to that of Norrin--error messages with today's build.
23.30.06 #       <O_Govinda> But with the recorder, not FM.
23.30.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> today's build is broken, use the bleeding edge, please.
23.30.39 #       <O_Govinda> I04: IllInstru at (such and such numbers). or I09 CPUAdrEr at (such and such).
23.30.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I know, kick me
23.31.20 #       <O_Govinda> Ok. But I have another problem. I have the same build as my AJZ file. So if I boot using FI, I boot into the broken build. So what should I do?
23.31.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> plug USB and exchang it
23.32.02 #       <O_Govinda> When I try that, I boot into the error messages.
23.32.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, USB should go first
23.32.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> plug in, the boot
23.32.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then boot
23.33.14 #       <O_Govinda> I09:CPUAdrEr etc.
23.33.25 #       <O_Govinda> Is what I get when I follow that sequence.
23.33.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with F1-boot and plugged?
23.33.50 #       <O_Govinda> Plug it first, then F1-boot?
23.33.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
23.34.00 #       <O_Govinda> Will try. . . 
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23.34.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if this would not work, we'd never have a chance to recover from a bad .ajz
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23.35.00 #       <O_Govinda> Ah, works! Will put in yesterday's build. 
23.35.07 #       <midknight2k3> hi bagder
23.35.10 #       <midknight2k3> hi zagor
23.35.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or bleeding edge
23.35.12 #       <midknight2k3> hi idc
23.35.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi midknight2k3
23.35.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi Zagor
23.35.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi Bagder
23.35.31 #       <O_Govinda> Ok, bleeding edge--better.
23.35.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi, hi hi
23.35.41 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: sorry, I was away, but I like what you like! :D
23.36.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I like what? Sleeping and being rude?
23.36.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Or am I confusing things?
23.37.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> O_Govinda: useful rule: try a build first, then flash it
23.37.43 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: ff/rw with sound
23.37.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> try with rolo, I mean
23.38.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, so much on my plate
23.40.14 #       <O_Govinda> All's well now, Dragon. Thank you very uch. And thank you for that useful rule. Will heed it.
23.40.22 #       <O_Govinda> very much.
23.40.34 #       <midknight2k3> must go for a few
23.40.36 #       <midknight2k3> back in a bit all
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23.40.45 #       <Bagder> night
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