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00.10.30 #       <midknight2k3> hi all
00.11.58 #       <BoD[]> hi mid
00.12.07 #       <midknight2k3> hey BoD[]
00.12.18 #       <BoD[]> :)
00.12.28 #       <midknight2k3> i have new plans for the vu\
00.12.36 #       <midknight2k3> i thought i was done but i wasn't
00.12.41 #       <BoD[]> like what
00.12.48 #       <midknight2k3> i'll show you all later
00.12.54 #       <BoD[]> ok
00.12.55 #       <midknight2k3> it's confidential. :_
00.12.58 #       <midknight2k3> :)
00.13.02 #       <BoD[]> héhéhé
00.13.09 #       <BoD[]> hey
00.13.15 #       <midknight2k3> lol
00.13.25 #       <BoD[]> i'd like my rockbox to go "next" faster
00.13.34 #       <BoD[]> it's still slow when you click "next"
00.13.44 #       <midknight2k3> next track you mean?
00.13.49 #       <BoD[]> yep
00.14.03 #       <midknight2k3> well that can't really be worked around, usually a hard drive spinup is needed
00.14.09 #       <midknight2k3> ooooooh wait!
00.14.12 #       <Zagor> you can preload some data
00.14.16 #       <midknight2k3> what if we keep 5 seconds of the next song in buffer
00.14.17 #       <midknight2k3> at all times?
00.14.19 #       <BoD[]> it is faster with the old original legacy archos firmware
00.14.25 #       <midknight2k3> ahaa
00.14.37 #       <BoD[]> you can preload ? what do you mean
00.14.43 #       <midknight2k3> buffer
00.14.49 #       <midknight2k3> keep in ram
00.14.57 #       <BoD[]> yeah yeah but ..
00.15.01 #       <midknight2k3> so we'd still have to spin up
00.15.06 #       <midknight2k3> but it'd start playing instantly
00.15.18 #       <BoD[]> i mean .. is there an option or something
00.15.22 #       <midknight2k3> i never touched the buffer code, so i don't know anything about it.
00.15.24 #       <midknight2k3> no
00.15.25 #       <midknight2k3> not yet...
00.15.29 #       <midknight2k3> but it's a good idea
00.15.50 #       <BoD[]> zagor ?
00.16.14 #       <Zagor> BoD[]: nobody has written that. I just mentioned that it's possible.
00.16.17 #       <BoD[]> ok :)
00.16.20 #       <BoD[]> well
00.16.23 #       <midknight2k3> i could try
00.16.27 #       <BoD[]> in that case
00.16.29 #       <midknight2k3> zagor could do it in a few seconds i bet
00.16.51 #       <BoD[]> "it's like that to be implemented sometimes" :))
00.16.58 #       <BoD[]> 's='d
00.17.28 #       <midknight2k3> let me have a look here at this code.
00.17.36 #       <BoD[]> good luck ;)
00.17.45 #       <midknight2k3> i doubt i can do much
00.17.53 #       <midknight2k3> but its worth a shot
00.18.33 #       <midknight2k3> buffer.c may do it
00.18.44 #       <BoD[]> my "typical listening behaviour" is to load the full playlist of all the contents of the hd, and to listen with suffle on
00.18.47 #       <BoD[]> shuffle
00.19.02 #       <midknight2k3> hrm
00.19.08 #       <BoD[]> and of course i want to "zap" quite often ;:)
00.19.26 #       <midknight2k3> well the numbers are predetermined, right zagor?
00.19.39 #       <Zagor> which numbers?
00.19.45 #       <midknight2k3> when shuffling
00.19.55 #       <midknight2k3> it knows ahead of time which number to go to correct
00.19.56 #       <midknight2k3> ?
00.20.10 #       <Zagor> yes
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00.23.15 #       <track> Hi Midknight
00.23.21 #       <midknight2k3> hi track
00.23.41 #       <track> i switched from mirc to leafchat. I tried xchat but couldnt' get it to work for some reason
00.24.00 #       <BoD[]> too 'x'
00.24.01 #       <midknight2k3> leafchat?
00.24.04 #       <track> yea
00.24.07 #       <track> another irc client
00.24.09 #       <midknight2k3> lol!
00.24.13 #       <track> Has a plainer interface but it works
00.24.19 #       <midknight2k3> god
00.24.22 #       <midknight2k3> i know its in mpeg.c
00.25.29 Nick    edx{code} is now known as edsx (edx@pD9EAB2BD.dip.t-dialin.net)
00.25.31 Nick    edsx is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAB2BD.dip.t-dialin.net)
00.25.42 #       <BoD[]> i use xircon
00.25.51 #       <track> yea mid I just found the playlist editor
00.25.55 #       <track> hardeep pointed it out for me
00.25.56 #       <midknight2k3> man
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00.25.58 #       <midknight2k3> i cant do it
00.26.03 #       <BoD[]> just a little bit better than telnet ;)
00.26.27 #       <track> I want to go back to icechat but I think aol users are still banned on it
00.26.36 #       <midknight2k3> icechat is dumb
00.26.53 #       <midknight2k3> ah well.
00.27.00 #       <track> well leafchat seems okay
00.27.01 #       <midknight2k3> i can't do it
00.27.06 #       <track> what u trying to do mid?
00.27.09 #       <midknight2k3> but perhaps someone else can
00.27.18 #       <midknight2k3> oh, loading the 5 seconds of the next track into buffer
00.27.24 #       <midknight2k3> so we can play NEXT immediately
00.27.29 #       <track> oh yeah?
00.27.29 #       <midknight2k3> instead of waiting for hard drive
00.27.32 #       <track> faster song switching
00.27.35 #       <midknight2k3> right
00.27.44 #       <track> I thought keeping the disk spinning up achieves the same effect
00.27.48 #       <midknight2k3> ye
00.27.50 #       <midknight2k3> yes*
00.27.53 #       <midknight2k3> that eats battery
00.28.00 #       <track> yea
00.28.07 #       <midknight2k3> i mean if you're at the beginning of this song
00.28.10 #       <midknight2k3> and you want the next
00.28.16 #       <track> its just a case of allocating a portion of the ram for your 5sec buffer mid
00.28.18 #       <midknight2k3> when you press >> it waits for the hard drive then buffers then plays
00.28.29 #       <midknight2k3> i'm planning a preload of that 5 secs
00.28.38 #       <midknight2k3> so that we can go next without waiting for the hard drive
00.28.42 #       <track> cool
00.28.43 #       <midknight2k3> though it WILL spin up
00.28.45 #       <track> sounds feasible
00.28.49 #       <midknight2k3> bust
00.28.51 #       <midknight2k3> but*
00.28.53 #       <midknight2k3> lol
00.28.56 #       <track> heehee
00.29.17 #       <track> Mid have you seen the Thompson Lyra AV device?
00.29.19 #       <track> looks pretty neat
00.29.32 #       <BoD[]> anyway i go to bed
00.29.33 #       <BoD[]> bye
00.29.40 #       <midknight2k3> bye
00.29.46 #       <track> night bod
00.29.48 #       <midknight2k3> i think it has somewhere to do with this code:
00.29.49 #       <midknight2k3>                     if (num_tracks_in_memory() > 1)
00.29.49 #       <midknight2k3>                     {
00.29.49 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
00.29.49 #       <midknight2k3>                         /* We have to reload the current track */
00.29.49 #       <midknight2k3>                         close(mpeg_file);
00.29.49 ***     Alert Mode level 1
00.29.49 DBUG    Enqueued KICK track
00.29.49 #       <midknight2k3>                         remove_all_non_current_tags();
00.29.51 #       <midknight2k3>                         mpeg_file = -1;
00.29.53 #       <midknight2k3>                     }
00.29.59 #       <track> oh right
00.30.07 #       <track> is that actual C code?
00.30.11 #       <midknight2k3> yes
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00.30.24 #       <track> C seems a bit like BASIC, very English-orientated
00.30.29 #       <midknight2k3> no
00.30.31 #       <midknight2k3> that's just the functions
00.30.36 #       <track> lol
00.30.37 #       <midknight2k3> they have a LOT in mpeg.c
00.30.39 #       <midknight2k3> to make it more readable
00.30.43 #       <track> yea
00.30.44 #       <midknight2k3> but parts are
00.31.00 #       <track> midknight do u use linux or windows?
00.31.11 #       <midknight2k3> windows atm :(
00.31.15 #       <track> oh
00.31.15 #       <midknight2k3> mandrake has issues installing
00.31.21 #       <track> there is a version of LinuX that can run off the CD
00.31.23 #       <midknight2k3> so i may just have to try redhat
00.31.25 #       <track> im gonna try it tommorow
00.31.26 #       <midknight2k3> i know
00.31.29 #       <track> its called Knobbit
00.31.34 #       <track> sorry Knobbix
00.31.50 #       <midknight2k3> knoppix
00.31.55 #       <track> yea thats the one
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00.32.02 #       <track> there is a 700Mb ISO file for download
00.32.08 #       <midknight2k3> yes track
00.39.50 ***     Alert Mode OFF
00.51.26 #       <midknight2k3> zagor
00.51.32 #       <midknight2k3> do we have menu functions in the plugin API?
00.52.02 #       <Zagor> no
00.52.13 #       <midknight2k3> crap tastic.
00.52.33 #       <Zagor> if you need it, add it. it's simple.
00.52.35 #       <track> what is the API?
00.52.40 #       <midknight2k3> yes
00.52.43 #       <midknight2k3> but zagor
00.52.49 #       <midknight2k3> then we all have to change
00.53.07 #       <midknight2k3> i'll just see how "star.c
00.53.08 #       <midknight2k3> does it
00.53.15 #       <midknight2k3> OR
00.53.30 #       <midknight2k3> i could do #include "../menu.h"
00.53.31 #       <midknight2k3> couldnt i
00.53.41 #       <Zagor> no
00.53.48 #       <midknight2k3> awwwwww
00.54.25 #       <track> lol
00.54.49 #       <midknight2k3> looks complicated
00.54.55 #       <midknight2k3> can you add it to cvs?
00.55.15 #       <Zagor> not until a patch needs it
00.55.20 #       <midknight2k3> mine does
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00.55.29 #       <midknight2k3> well
00.55.33 #       <midknight2k3> :\
00.55.35 #       <midknight2k3> :|
00.55.36 #       <midknight2k3> :/
00.55.41 #       <Zagor> just add it
00.55.48 #       <midknight2k3> i can try
00.55.53 #       <midknight2k3> watch me blow it lol
00.56.01 #       <midknight2k3> good thing TextPad features full undo ability
00.56.05 #       <Zagor> that's how you learn
00.57.15 #       <track> Zagor what is this api?
00.57.25 #       <midknight2k3> it's how you control stuff
00.57.26 #       <Zagor> the plugin api
00.57.31 #       <midknight2k3> the plugin api is all we can do in plugins
00.57.35 #       <midknight2k3> it excludes a lot of stuff
00.57.39 #       <midknight2k3> but does at least the basics
00.57.44 #       <track> ahh right
00.58.02 #       <track> mid u got the file??
00.58.09 #       <midknight2k3> so instead of using scary lcd code we can just use lcd_drawline
00.58.11 #       <midknight2k3> yes lookig
00.58.21 #       <track> :)
00.58.34 #       <midknight2k3> yeah! looks nice!
00.58.39 #       <track> :)
00.58.40 #       <track> thanks
00.59.05 #       <track> My digital camera struggled to focus due to the light reflecting off the LCD
00.59.11 #       <Jet8810> hmm
00.59.14 #       <Jet8810> I wanna dual boot linux and xp
00.59.16 #       <track> Mid u saw my repainted F1 button?
00.59.20 #       <Jet8810> pretty much total linux newbie
00.59.22 #       <Jet8810> used mandrake a little
00.59.27 #       <Jet8810> which distro should I use?
00.59.41 #       <midknight2k3> mandrake
00.59.46 #       <midknight2k3> track: LOL
00.59.49 #       <midknight2k3> its pretty messy
01.00.00 #       <Jet8810> heh midknight, again?
01.00.06 #       <midknight2k3> ?
01.00.06 #       <track> its silver nail varnish
01.00.07 #       <Jet8810> the rpms ne-ver really worked though...
01.00.13 #       <track> after scratching the F1 button
01.00.14 #       <midknight2k3> ok fine redhat
01.00.14 #       <Jet8810> I tried mandrake for a few days once
01.00.34 #       <Jet8810> well, is there a difference
01.00.34 #       <Jet8810> ?
01.00.38 #       <Jet8810> like, teach me, im ignorant
01.00.39 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.00.58 #       <midknight2k3> mandrake is better
01.01.27 #       <Jet8810> why
01.01.33 #       <midknight2k3> it's cool
01.01.40 #       <midknight2k3> i know these things.
01.01.41 #       <midknight2k3> trust me
01.01.49 #       <midknight2k3> you can download it free why bother with arguing
01.01.52 #       <track> jet midknight is a very smart man
01.01.56 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
01.01.58 #       <track> don't argue wiv him
01.01.58 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.01.59 #       <midknight2k3> what track said
01.02.02 #       <Jet8810> ok, ill research it online
01.02.04 #       <midknight2k3> yay
01.02.07 #       <Jet8810> thanks anyways
01.02.07 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.02.09 #       <track> jet try knoppix
01.02.16 #       <track> it doesn't need to be on the HD
01.02.20 #       <Jet8810> everybody has their own favorite
01.02.22 #       <Jet8810> eh?
01.02.42 #       <midknight2k3> thats not permanent track
01.02.45 #       <track> anyway back to the VU meters
01.02.46 #       <midknight2k3> its not for real linux users
01.02.56 #       <track> well its good for those who want to try it out
01.03.12 #       <midknight2k3> he wants it
01.03.13 #       <midknight2k3> not to try
01.03.14 #       <midknight2k3> to use
01.03.24 #       <track> Knoppix squeezes 2Gb of data into a 700Mb ISO file
01.03.27 #       <track> pretty neat compression
01.03.35 #       <midknight2k3> it snot 2gb of data
01.03.40 #       <midknight2k3> its not*
01.03.48 #       <Jet8810> well I want to try/use
01.03.51 #       <Jet8810> would be fun project
01.04.08 #       <midknight2k3> ?
01.04.12 #       <midknight2k3> knoppix?
01.04.24 #       <track> the version of linuxs
01.04.28 #       <Jet8810> linux
01.04.37 #       <Jet8810> i mean who knows, maybe id switch from windows one day
01.04.41 #       <midknight2k3> yes
01.04.43 #       <midknight2k3> i wish
01.04.45 #       <Jet8810> it sjust kind ahard when the whole world uses windows
01.04.45 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.04.48 #       <midknight2k3> but my mandrake wont install
01.04.55 #       <Jet8810> porque?
01.04.57 #       <midknight2k3> i downloaded it twice
01.05.01 #       <midknight2k3> so ill just try redhat
01.06.25 #       <Jet8810> yea
01.06.30 #       <Jet8810> I wish I still had mandrake ceds
01.06.33 #       <Jet8810> downloading it all is a pain
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01.06.43 #       <Jet8810> especially cuz my burner might be broken
01.06.46 #       <midknight2k3> er
01.06.47 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.06.51 #       <midknight2k3> its just half an hour
01.06.56 #       <midknight2k3> if it doesnt work no biggy
01.06.57 #       <midknight2k3> \
01.07.04 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.07.05 #       <Jet8810> half an hour?
01.07.08 #       <Jet8810> isnt it like 3 isos?
01.07.12 #       <midknight2k3> just one for install
01.07.16 #       <midknight2k3> extras if you want them
01.07.33 #       <Jet8810> ah ok
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01.13.14 #       <track> where did Zagor go?
01.13.22 #       <midknight2k3> he left
01.13.29 #       <track> :(
01.13.37 #       <midknight2k3> i know
01.13.40 #       <midknight2k3> p.p.p. zagor
01.13.42 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.13.43 #       <midknight2k3> jk
01.13.45 #       <track> oi!
01.14.02 #       <track> midknight there is someone I love to call P.P.P but I won't
01.14.03 #       <track> lol
01.14.10 #       <midknight2k3> oh shut up!
01.14.14 #       <track> :))
01.14.20 #       <track> u worked it out pretty fast!!!
01.14.57 #       <track> :D
01.15.09 #       <midknight2k3> guijb\
01.15.10 #       <midknight2k3> njmy
01.15.12 #       <midknight2k3> \\
01.15.34 #       <track> lol
01.15.43 #       <track> he hasn't been in sourceforge for some time nwo
01.15.44 #       <track> now
01.15.56 #       <midknight2k3> can you just shut up about mikeholden
01.16.14 #       <track> lol
01.16.19 #       <midknight2k3> please track
01.16.19 #       <track> u called Zagor ppp
01.16.22 #       <track> not very nice
01.16.23 #       <track> lol
01.16.23 #       <track> ok
01.16.24 #       <track> :)
01.16.26 #       <midknight2k3> i was also jk
01.16.29 #       <track> me 2
01.16.29 #       <track> :D
01.16.30 #       <midknight2k3> what is ppp anyways
01.16.37 #       <midknight2k3> did you make it up
01.16.41 #       <track> no someone at work did
01.16.46 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.16.49 #       <midknight2k3> someone calls you this?
01.16.54 #       <track> no 
01.16.56 #       <midknight2k3> is this where you get your insults?
01.16.59 #       <midknight2k3> kidding :)
01.16.59 #       <track> its a long story
01.17.01 #       <track> :)
01.17.32 #       <track> I feel sorry for Player owners
01.17.37 #       <midknight2k3> why
01.17.37 #       <track> they are missing out on all the action
01.18.05 #       <track> missing out on the Recorders' fun and games
01.18.26 #       <midknight2k3> charcells are nice
01.18.36 #       <track> yea but there isnt' a lot u can do with them
01.18.39 #       <track> no graphics or anything
01.19.22 #       <track> u can't even use the entire matrix of charcells as a graphical area
01.19.23 #       <Jet8810> the player sucks
01.19.31 #       <Jet8810> so much more then the recorder AND IPOD
01.19.31 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.19.38 #       <midknight2k3> wtf
01.19.39 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.19.42 #       <midknight2k3> ipod is worse than all
01.19.55 #       <track> man, 2 lines of 11character cells? thats just GAY!
01.20.50 #       <track> lol
01.26.36 #       <Jet8810> haha
01.26.43 #       <Jet8810> thats so much worse then ipod midknight
01.26.44 #       <Jet8810> come on
01.26.49 #       <midknight2k3> yes
01.26.53 #       <midknight2k3> ipod sleek secksay
01.27.00 #       <midknight2k3> i mean, its not
01.27.01 #       <midknight2k3> its ugly
01.29.16 #       <Jet8810> haha
01.29.19 #       <Jet8810> you slipped
01.29.20 #       <Jet8810> admit it!
01.29.22 #       <midknight2k3> i didnt
01.29.24 #       <Jet8810> it is sleek and sexy
01.29.24 #       <midknight2k3> its ugly
01.29.27 #       <Jet8810> and has better then 11 char cells
01.29.29 #       <midknight2k3> and its ugly and its shiny
01.29.32 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.29.36 #       <Jet8810> its white buddy
01.29.37 #       <midknight2k3> and it has very nice animations
01.29.42 #       <Jet8810> archos is silver
01.29.43 #       <track> and its extrememly popular
01.29.43 #       <midknight2k3> i mean
01.29.44 #       <Jet8810> silver is shinier then white
01.29.46 #       <midknight2k3> its very ugly
01.29.50 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.29.53 #       <midknight2k3> ipod is chrome
01.29.53 #       <Jet8810> thats subjective
01.29.54 #       <midknight2k3> on back
01.29.58 #       <Jet8810> yea
01.30.00 #       <Jet8810> but nobody sees the back
01.30.06 #       <Jet8810> i put it in neoprene case anyway
01.30.08 #       <Jet8810> needs protection
01.30.12 #       <midknight2k3> fu
01.30.25 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.30.29 #       <Jet8810> somebodys angry :)
01.30.39 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.30.42 #       <midknight2k3> just angry
01.30.42 #       <Jet8810> i mjust messin with ya btw, so dont like really get mad
01.31.31 #       <Jet8810> at me?
01.31.37 #       <midknight2k3> no
01.31.38 #       <midknight2k3> just at you
01.32.35 #       <Jet8810> heh
01.32.37 #       <Jet8810> sorry then
01.33.28 #       <midknight2k3> jk
01.33.33 #       <midknight2k3> ACRONYMSPEAK!
01.33.37 #       <midknight2k3> jk np yw ty
01.33.51 #       <midknight2k3> vu asap
01.34.34 #       <Jet8810> aaah
01.34.35 #       <Jet8810> lol
01.35.00 #       <midknight2k3> uhbi
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02.23.45 #       <midknight2k3> hi scott
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04.03.03 #       <Tigren> does the jukebox have the capability of playing ogg?
04.03.28 #       <midknight2k3> no
04.04.11 #       <Tigren> gah
04.04.21 #       <Tigren> because it doesnt have a decoder?
04.04.31 #       <midknight2k3> have a look at the docs because it says right in there
04.04.33 #       <midknight2k3> it has a decoder
04.04.38 #       <midknight2k3> it can't do ogg
04.04.43 #       <Tigren> right, no ogg decoder...?
04.05.02 #       <midknight2k3> no players have a real ogg decoder
04.05.09 #       <midknight2k3> there are just ones capable of decoding it and some not
04.05.39 #       <Tigren> what about the jukebox though, makes it not capable?
04.05.41 #       <midknight2k3> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html#5
04.05.50 #       <midknight2k3> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html#6
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05.52.05 #       <midknight2k3> anyone know about menus in plugins
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11.13.36 #       <c0utta> linus, when i do a "cvs update -dP", does this sync my local copy with cvs ?
11.13.45 #       <LinusN> yes
11.15.27 #       <c0utta> if it cannot sync properly, i am left with a .rej file and must manually update.  correct ?
11.16.54 #       <LinusN> yes
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13.26.19 #       <oxygen77> hello
13.27.00 #       <oxygen77> I have some cross sompiling problems
13.27.08 #       <oxygen77> can anybody help me?
13.28.15 #       <c0utta> i'm an amateur, but maybe i can help
13.28.37 #       <oxygen77> oki I'm working on avos project
13.28.51 #       <oxygen77> but this can apply here too
13.29.20 #       <oxygen77> I'm trying to compile a code that seems to use libgcc
13.29.39 #       <oxygen77> but on link in can't find some ref
13.29.55 #       <oxygen77> as if the libgcc wasen't used
13.30.13 #       <oxygen77> so how can I make ld use this lib?
13.32.44 #       <c0utta> i'm using winxp for a start
13.32.58 #       <c0utta> i can see that libgcc is included in the .map files
13.33.56 #       <oxygen77> maybe it's my crosscompiler build that is wrong
13.38.13 #       <c0utta> i'm using cygwin and i can't see a direct reference to libgcc anywhere
13.38.53 #       <c0utta> i can see the crosscompiler being used so i assume that's how libgcc is being referenced
13.40.56 #       <oxygen77> well thx trying to rebuild
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19.37.36 #       <s|aint> hey
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19.42.18 #       <Silencio^> hi excuse me
19.42.27 #       <s|aint> i have a problem lol...i downloaded the rockbox files and unzipped them onto my jukebox recorder 20...and then switched it on...it loaded fine, and the menus worked fine, but i got a "dir buffer overload" (or something like that), and i can browse directors, go into them and into subdirectors, but no mp3s (or any files) actually show (and therefore won't play)...any ideas? pleease?
19.42.29 #       <Silencio^> does rockbox read the musepack format
19.42.41 #       <Silencio^> ?
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19.53.26 #       <MT> Silencio^: rockbox supports mp3 and mp3 alone
19.54.22 #       <track> Silencio, only MP3 is supported by the hardware, no WAV, WMA or OGG or ATRAC3
19.56.03 #       <s|aint> i have a problem lol...i downloaded the rockbox files and unzipped them onto my jukebox recorder 20...and then switched it on...it loaded fine, and the menus worked fine, but i got a "dir buffer overload" (or something like that), and i can browse directors, go into them and into subdirectors, but no mp3s (or any files) actually show (and therefore won't play)...any ideas? pleease?
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20.03.03 #       <s|aint> help?
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20.05.20 #       <Sil^a> track thx and thx mbr_
20.05.23 #       <Sil^a> track thx and thx mt
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20.27.14 #       <track> hi Hardeep
20.29.42 #       <hardeep> hi
20.35.53 #       <track> i saw u "Fixed" a lot of requests on the Feature requests page
20.37.19 #       <hardeep> a bunch of requests had not been closed after the 2.1 release
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20.50.29 #       <track> yea i saw
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21.50.32 #       <Cosmo`> lo
21.50.42 #       <Cosmo`> i was talking to someone in here about buying an MP3 player the other day
21.50.51 #       <Cosmo`> make yourself known! :P
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22.14.10 #       <hardeep> heya Bagder
22.14.16 #       <Bagder> howdy
22.15.29 #       <Cosmo`> lo guys
22.15.46 #       <track_> hi
22.15.58 #       <Cosmo`> anyone here in the UK?
22.16.03 #       <track_> yea
22.16.05 #       <track_> cosmo
22.16.19 #       <Cosmo`> you ever ordered anything from the US m8?
22.16.31 #       <track_> only downloadable stuff
22.16.38 #       <Cosmo`> hmm
22.16.46 #       <Cosmo`> im trying to get my head round the taxes etc
22.16.57 #       <track_> oh
22.17.14 #       <track_> im quite impressed with midknight2k3s vu meter plugin enhancement
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22.19.30 #       <track_> Hi Scott
22.20.12 #       <track_> cosmo what are u trying to order?
22.20.17 #       <Cosmo`> mp3 player
22.20.21 #       <track_> which one?
22.20.31 #       <Cosmo`> i just bought one recently, but its awful and broken, hopefully i'll get a refund
22.20.36 #       <track_> which model?
22.20.44 #       <Cosmo`> well, i just recently bought an XClef
22.20.47 #       <track_> oh
22.21.02 #       <MT> cosmo: you have to pay duty, and then VAT on top
22.21.19 #       <MT> cosmo: only, royal mail is so shit, 50% of the time you get away with paying nothinh
22.22.12 #       <Cosmo`> oh man
22.22.14 #       <MT> last year a friend and I got in on some dirt cheap hard drives, £70 for 160gb including shipping, I paid £15 duty and vat, he paid £0
22.22.21 #       <Cosmo`> i see ...
22.22.22 #       <Cosmo`> well ...
22.22.31 #       <Cosmo`> if i can get a refund on this XClef
22.22.34 #       <Cosmo`> cos its a piece of junk
22.22.39 #       <Cosmo`> i aint keeping this, it cost me £200
22.22.47 #       <MT> when did you buy it?
22.22.52 #       <Cosmo`> sunday
22.22.58 #       <Cosmo`> i got it yesterday heh
22.23.05 #       <MT> then inform them NOW that you want to return it
22.23.12 #       <Cosmo`> i cant do it now, i plan to do it tommorow
22.23.17 #       <track_> whats new in rockbox?
22.23.26 #       <Cosmo`> i would also reccomend to everyone that they dont buy one
22.23.38 #       <MT> under the distance purchasing laws you can return anything you decide you dont want within 7 days
22.23.46 #       <MT> after 7 days you have no rights
22.23.49 #       <Cosmo`> yep
22.23.51 #       <Cosmo`> cooling off period
22.23.58 #       <Cosmo`> btw
22.24.05 #       <track_> hope midknight2k3 comes here soon
22.24.08 #       <Cosmo`> get an XClef if you like listen to music through a Tin Can ;)
22.24.09 #       <MT> btw, whats wrong with the xclef?
22.24.18 #       <MT> i was going to get 2
22.24.24 #       <Cosmo`> sorry m8, some of the buttons dont seem to work properly
22.24.28 #       <Cosmo`> and the sound quality is really really bad
22.24.55 #       <MT> hmm, I wonder whats that down to
22.25.01 #       <Cosmo`> i have no idea
22.25.06 #       <MT> its a crying shame, the xclef looked so promising
22.25.06 #       <Cosmo`> but basically ...
22.25.12 #       <Cosmo`> i used to have a £90 Minidisc
22.25.13 #       <Cosmo`> portable
22.25.23 #       <Cosmo`> the sound on the XClef reminds me of that with bass and treble completely off
22.25.26 #       <MT> its got such a powerful PSU and MASSES of RAM
22.25.31 #       <MT> er
22.25.33 #       <MT> PSU/CPU
22.25.35 #       <Cosmo`> the MD knocks the socks off it from a sound quality perspective
22.25.35 #       <MT> :/
22.25.37 #       <MT> im ill
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22.25.53 #       <MT> I should hope it did!
22.26.05 #       <track_> yea Cosmo with the new NetMD devices theres too much copy-restrictions
22.26.22 #       <Cosmo`> i know
22.26.26 #       <Cosmo`> i got rid of it
22.26.32 #       <Cosmo`> but the Sound Quality on those units is brilliant
22.26.39 #       <Cosmo`> either that or the sound quality on the XClef is a joke
22.26.46 #       <track_> well when u think about it MP3 sound quality is excellent als
22.26.47 #       <track_> also
22.26.51 #       <Cosmo`> thing is
22.27.03 #       <Cosmo`> i thought it might just be the ATRAC3 but then its all come from the same source files
22.27.14 #       <track_> but atrac3 only has 3 compression settings
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22.27.43 #       <MT> the xclef does all its audio processing with the cpu
22.27.47 #       <track> dunno why there was an underscript at the end of my id
22.27.48 #       <Cosmo`> im still annoyed about it, the XClef is nice but it makes everything sound so terrible
22.28.03 #       <Cosmo`> i've got two nice pairs of headphones and it sounds really bad on both
22.28.06 #       <track> Get an Archos
22.28.12 #       <track> thats what rockbox is all about
22.28.21 #       <MT> when I say fast, its got more than 15 x the power of the archos
22.28.27 #       <Cosmo`> i was gonna get an Archos
22.28.34 #       <Cosmo`> but someone reccomended i dont get the FM Recorder
22.28.49 #       <track> the FMR is discontinued anyway
22.28.49 #       <Cosmo`> i think my unit must be duff then ... something aint right
22.28.53 #       <track> I think Bagder has an FMR
22.29.08 #       <Cosmo`> i wanted a G-Mini too heh, couldnt find anywhere that sold them though
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22.29.18 #       * Bagder has a recorder 20 v1
22.29.33 #       <MT> track: but there has been talk of branching out and finding newer architectures to port rockbox too
22.29.39 #       * Cosmo` has an XClef ... *SPIT*
22.29.40 #       <track> sorry bagder, beg your pardon, I thought u had an FMR
22.29.47 #       <MT> which is why ive been considering getting a couple
22.29.59 #       <MT> one for me, one for these helpful swedes :)
22.30.13 #       <Cosmo`> either im seriously overestimating what the XClef should be able to do
22.30.13 #       <track> I quite like the iRiver but I hate those stupid built-in battereis
22.30.15 #       <MT> (as I have no hope by myself of doing the port)
22.30.15 #       <Cosmo`> or its broken
22.30.18 #       <Cosmo`> but something is so wrong
22.30.29 #       <Cosmo`> it shouldnt annoy me to listen to it
22.30.40 #       <MT> Cosmo: the reviews I read of the xclef said it had good sound quality
22.30.55 #       <MT> http://www.reviewcentre.com/review29952.html
22.31.05 #       <MT> it maybe a duff unit
22.31.19 #       <track> Im not sure if Rockbox will ever work on non-Archos devices
22.31.27 #       <Bagder> neo
22.31.32 #       <MT> why is that track?
22.31.40 #       <Bagder> it already works on neo
22.31.47 #       <Cosmo`> "Great quality sound reproduction"
22.31.48 #       <Cosmo`> cough
22.31.52 #       <Cosmo`> i must have a duff unit then
22.31.56 #       <track> really? Theres no mention of it on the site Daniel
22.32.03 #       <track> unless im blind ;-)
22.32.10 #       <MT> but to all extents and purposes, isnt the neo virtually the same architecture?
22.32.20 #       <MT> you can download neo builds on the daily page track...
22.32.24 #       <Bagder> track: there's still a few flaws left to iron out
22.32.28 #       <track> oh right
22.32.35 #       <track> I still have my ancient Recorder 10
22.32.36 #       <track> still works
22.32.46 #       <Cosmo`> argg ... im really annoyed about this ... its such a nice little gadget, i really want to keep it
22.32.51 #       <Cosmo`> but it pains me to listen to it :|
22.33.25 #       <MT> ah hmm, you cant download them, but they are listed on the CVS compile status :)
22.33.44 #       <track> you should try to audition a player first before buying one next time
22.33.46 #       <Bagder> MT: they don't boot properly yet, so its just as good ;-)
22.33.58 #       <Cosmo`> im going to try and return this one
22.34.03 #       <Cosmo`> or solve the problem ... or something
22.34.10 #       <Cosmo`> this is a good player but why it sounds so bad ... i dont know
22.34.31 #       <track> For some reason when I resample files into small vbr files the ID3 tags are lost
22.34.35 #       <track> this is using Musicmatch
22.34.44 #       <MT> Cosmo: i assume you got it from advancedmp3players.co.uk ?
22.34.46 #       <Cosmo`> yep
22.34.55 #       <Cosmo`> i've posted on their forums about it
22.35.02 #       <MT> have you tried updating the firmware?
22.35.08 #       <Cosmo`> latest version m8 ;)
22.35.12 #       <Cosmo`> that was the first thing i did
22.35.29 #       <MT> do you mind if i pick your brains about it
22.35.35 #       <Cosmo`> not at all
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22.35.42 #       <MT> the firmware updates, how do they work?
22.35.55 #       <MT> you put the firmware bin on the hd
22.35.57 #       <Cosmo`> you connect it to the USB2.0 port ... and it appears as a local disk
22.36.00 #       <track> Im curious if ROckbox will ever work on the ipod
22.36.02 #       <MT> yep
22.36.06 #       <Cosmo`> and you simply bung the file in a specified folder on the XClef
22.36.09 #       <MT> not to track :)
22.36.12 #       <Cosmo`> and it boots with the new firmware
22.36.20 #       <Bagder> track: I doubt that
22.36.31 #       <track> well ive read somewhere linux is being ported
22.36.31 #       <MT> what happens if you then delete the firmware from that folder?
22.36.38 #       <MT> does it revert to the previous version?
22.36.44 #       <Bagder> track: linux is ported
22.36.44 #       <track> there was a screenshot of an ipod with linux on its lcd
22.36.46 #       <Cosmo`> no
22.36.49 #       <Bagder> but can't play mp3 at full speed
22.36.54 #       <Cosmo`> it removes it from the folder when you update it for some reason
22.36.54 #       <track> oh right
22.36.55 #       <track> .
22.37.10 #       <track> Is there a better MP3 software other than musicmatch?
22.37.19 #       <Cosmo`> Winamp of course heh
22.37.23 #       <MT> damn, so it finds the firmware, then flashes it to rom, then runs it
22.37.29 #       <track> for ripping Cosmo
22.37.33 #       <Cosmo`> CDex
22.37.35 #       <Cosmo`> is what i use
22.37.49 #       <MT> lame/exactaudiocopy
22.37.50 #       <track> well sometimes I need to resample files, make them smaller
22.37.54 #       * Cosmo` bangs head against table
22.38.08 #       <track> I have an MP3 player in the car, takes MP3s on CDs
22.38.16 #       <Cosmo`> im beggining to wonder if im just expecting too much of this
22.38.18 #       <track> so I like to make the files smaller to squeeze more onto 1 CD
22.38.22 #       <Cosmo`> but it does not sound good AT ALL
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22.40.20 #       <MT> i wouldnt expect it to sound great, but it should sound good
22.40.55 #       <MT> i think you've got it spot on to return it and ask for a different one, and then return that if its not good
22.41.00 #       <Cosmo`> its bearable ... but not pleasant
22.41.12 #       <Cosmo`> you know when you get say ...
22.41.14 #       <track> Cosmo have you tried different brands of headphones?
22.41.16 #       <Cosmo`> a really cheap MP3 player
22.41.21 #       <Cosmo`> yep i've tried my two nice pairs
22.41.48 #       <track> dunno
22.41.57 #       <track> I used my first linux distribution today
22.42.02 #       <Cosmo`> hehe
22.42.20 #       <track> i tried the Knoppix distribution as its free and can run from CD-R
22.42.35 #       <Cosmo`> i installed Linux for the first time a little while back
22.42.40 #       <Cosmo`> i've now got a PC running RedHat
22.42.48 #       <track> trouble is, my sound card didn't work in Knoppix
22.43.16 #       <track> i have a Santa Cruz sound card
22.43.38 #       <Cosmo`> right
22.43.48 #       <Cosmo`> hmm ... ever used a cheap music player
22.43.49 #       <MT> thats a rebadged something else
22.43.52 #       <Cosmo`> with cheap headphones
22.43.52 #       <MT> i forget which
22.43.55 #       <MT> sonic fury
22.43.57 #       <Cosmo`> and had the bass and treble turned off?
22.44.10 #       <track> Turtle Beach make the Santa Cruz
22.44.23 #       <MT> videologic sonic fury
22.44.29 #       <MT> exact same chipset
22.44.42 #       <track> well its still a great soundboard
22.44.56 #       <track> Is there a real difference between a soundcard and onboard sound?
22.46.10 #       <Cosmo`> bah, i gotta listen to some music to calm myself down
22.46.11 #       <MT> hooo
22.46.17 #       <MT> yes/no
22.46.19 #       <Cosmo`> cant decide what though heh
22.46.20 #       <MT> take your pick
22.46.46 #       <track> Has Adiamas left Rockbox?
22.46.51 #       <track> he hasn't been around for ages
22.47.06 #       <MT> your card actually has a cirrus logic chip, which is what a lot of onboard devices do
22.47.19 #       <track> cool
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22.49.04 #       <MT> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Turtle+Beach&card=Santa+Cruz&chip=CS4630&module=cs46xx
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22.50.38 #       <Cosmo`> to think i could be taking all my Pink Floyd albums to school with me
22.50.39 #       <Cosmo`> bah !
22.51.08 #       <MT> oooh, i like you
22.51.26 #       <Cosmo`> Prog Rock is the best, no doubt about it ;)
22.51.37 #       <MT> hey track, buy your 10gb recorder off you for $75
22.51.41 #       <MT> hey track, buy your 10gb recorder off you for £75
22.51.43 #       <track> lol
22.51.46 #       <track> its pretty worn out
22.51.48 #       <track> but it still works
22.52.11 #       <track> not my fault Rockbox improved it so much ive been using it much more than the archos firmware :-)
22.52.20 #       <MT> you know archos' go for ridiculous prices on ebay
22.52.33 #       <MT> ive seen the 6gb players going for £130
22.52.34 #       <track> yea
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22.52.40 #       <track> yeuch
22.52.46 #       <track> no-one likes the players anymore
22.52.57 #       <Cosmo`> i need to get something cheap lol
22.53.02 #       <Cosmo`> i cant spend more than £200 really
22.53.03 #       <track> DO NOT get a player
22.53.05 #       <MT> i almost got one for £50 the other day, but it was already sold
22.53.06 #       <track> they are rubbish
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22.53.37 #       <MT> the only archos worth getting is the only one you cant lay your hands on anymore
22.53.51 #       <track> :(
22.54.27 #       <Cosmo`> im running out of options now
22.54.42 #       <MT> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3072999633&category=48451
22.55.06 #       <track> buy a second-hand iPod
22.55.08 #       <track> :-)
22.55.11 #       <Cosmo`> ugh
22.55.14 #       <Cosmo`> i dont like those things
22.55.21 #       <Cosmo`> i always thought the sound quality was pretty bad on them
22.55.29 #       <MT> best mp3 player available
22.55.50 #       <Cosmo`> i've listened to my mates
22.55.54 #       <Cosmo`> sounds like the XClef, all flat and horrible
22.56.04 #       <Cosmo`> i bet all MP3 players sound like that and i cant win
22.56.28 #       <track> cosmo its compressed audio
22.56.35 #       <MT> ah, if your xclef sounds like his archos, its probably doing well
22.56.43 #       <Cosmo`> no i mean
22.56.44 #       <Cosmo`> his ipod
22.56.55 #       <Cosmo`> i've tried other peoples ipods and still felt unhappy with the sound
22.57.39 #       <track> I wonder what MAS the Ipod uses
22.58.09 #       <Bagder> no mas at all
22.58.20 #       <Bagder> its a "secret" ARM SMP thing
22.58.23 #       <track> ???
22.58.41 #       <track> sounds weird ;-)
22.58.55 #       <Bagder> not really
22.59.00 #       <Bagder> they do it all in the CPU
22.59.02 #       <MT> MAS is just the first three letters of all micronas parts numbers isnt it?
22.59.09 #       <track> yea
22.59.15 #       <MT> does it have some other significant meaning?
22.59.28 #       <Bagder> not that I know of
22.59.29 #       <track> So MT anyone could buy a MAS from Micronas and build an MP3 player out of it?
22.59.37 #       <MT> track: the xclef does everything in hardware too
22.59.40 #       <Bagder> track: yes
22.59.44 #       <MT> well archos did ;p
22.59.50 #       <track> cool
22.59.58 #       <MT> nnng, my typos tonight ..
23.00.07 #       <Cosmo`> i might try this XClef again
23.00.10 #       <Cosmo`> aggh i want to use it
23.00.12 #       <Cosmo`> why does it taunt me
23.00.13 #       <MT> xclef does everything in _software_, slightly different
23.00.14 #       <Cosmo`> :/
23.00.43 #       <track> For some reason I was thinking of the Strongarm processor
23.01.44 #       <Cosmo`> well guys
23.01.51 #       <Cosmo`> i'd appreciate your help setting up the eq on the XClef
23.01.56 #       <Cosmo`> i dont really understand how it works heh
23.02.01 #       <Cosmo`> i just messed with it until it sounded half decent
23.02.04 #       <track> is the Archos processor a Samsung SH1?
23.02.17 #       <MT> hitachi isnt it?
23.02.27 #       <track> thats the HD in my archos MT
23.02.46 #       <Bagder> hitachi
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23.03.10 #       <Bagder> sh7034
23.03.19 #       <track> well MT the iPod is a fairly mixed bag. a Sony battery, a Toshiba HD, a Texas Instruments decoder
23.04.18 #       <MT> most of these things are ICs manufactured by other companies and then assembled by the 'manufacturer'
23.04.25 #       <track> yea
23.04.32 #       <track> these companies should make their own components ;-)
23.04.47 #       <MT> then we wouldnt be able to get docs
23.05.29 #       <track> lol
23.05.31 #       <track> i suppose so
23.05.49 #       <Cosmo`> not sure what to do about this XClef tbh ...
23.05.53 #       <MT> Bagder: do you think theres much chance of porting rockbox to other platforms, non sh-1?
23.06.00 #       <Cosmo`> some tracks seem to sound better than others
23.06.04 #       <MT> i'll buy it from you £50, final offer
23.06.10 #       <Cosmo`> but all have some sort of flatness
23.06.21 #       <Cosmo`> i've probably just over estimated it
23.06.28 #       <Cosmo`> should have never sold my MD in the first place lol
23.06.35 #       <Bagder> MT: I think there's a fair chance, yes
23.06.47 #       <Bagder> I know zagor has bought one to make a try
23.07.20 #       <Bagder> it takes a lot of drivers to get written
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23.08.01 #       <MT> Bagder: Zagor has already bought one? lol, I was planning on buying one of you three one to play with :)
23.08.32 #       <Bagder> MT: not an xclef though
23.08.39 #       <Bagder> another non-sh1 unit
23.08.39 #       <MT> oh, whats he bought?
23.08.42 #       <Cosmo`> AGHHHH
23.08.49 #       <Cosmo`> thats just annoying
23.08.53 #       <Bagder> I'd rather let him tell the news when he feels like it
23.09.00 #       <MT> ok sure
23.09.10 #       <MT> sorry, didnt mean to pressurise :)
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23.09.28 #       <Bagder> he also ordered a Neo
23.09.31 #       <Bagder> which is sh1
23.09.59 #       <Bagder> expensive little beast
23.10.08 #       <MT> I dont like the neo, not after what they did with the code
23.10.16 #       <MT> and the price IS high :)
23.10.42 #       <Bagder> it would be nice to offer a "real rockbox" for neo
23.10.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi guys!
23.10.54 #       <track> hi Dragon
23.11.00 #       <Bagder> hey [IDC]Dragon
23.11.00 #       <track> is the Neo a flash or HD device?
23.11.08 #       <Bagder> hd
23.11.14 #       <Bagder> pretty similar to archos
23.11.20 #       <Bagder> but mainly for car use
23.11.24 #       <track> oh yea
23.11.26 #       <Bagder> they have a few models
23.11.28 #       <Cosmo`> has anyone actually got an XClef?
23.11.38 #       <track> I think Terratec also make a device built around the same MAS
23.11.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> off topic: please participate in my "fps survey":
23.11.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-01/0741.shtml
23.12.30 #       <MT> Cosmo: you have :)
23.12.30 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I just posted my results...
23.13.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> whow, that was quick (too quick to get the temperature variations)
23.13.06 #       <Cosmo`> apart from me
23.13.08 #       <Cosmo`> :/
23.13.08 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: where are our anit-aliased fonts...
23.13.09 #       <Cosmo`> arggg
23.13.14 #       <Cosmo`> im gonna throw this against the wall soon
23.13.15 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: it's still on.
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23.13.42 #       <track> Where did the name Atadore come from?
23.13.51 #       <track> for that font in Rockbxo
23.13.52 #       <elinenbe> now after about 5 minutes its at 67.669
23.14.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> was my description of the pattern OK?
23.15.00 #       <Cosmo`> rofl
23.15.03 #       <Cosmo`> i cant believe what im doing
23.15.13 #       <Cosmo`> going to a Fancy Dress party on Friday as Flavor Flav =P
23.15.33 #       <track> Go dressed up as an Archos
23.15.34 #       <track> :-)
23.15.39 #       <Cosmo`> lol
23.15.39 #       <Cosmo`> nah
23.15.43 #       <Cosmo`> i need to find a clock
23.15.45 #       <Cosmo`> and a chain
23.15.45 #       <Cosmo`> haha
23.16.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: try to heat it up with charging and disk usage
23.17.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (or sit on it)
23.22.09 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I will restart it and do it again.
23.22.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thanks
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23.22.47 #       <elinenbe> heating
23.22.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> haha
23.23.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it seems, with the previous video playback I was too fast.
23.24.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 71 fps is above what my LCD does
23.24.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so it looked more grainy than it could
23.24.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yesterday I made this tool and measured
23.24.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then for the first time I played a video with a perfect match
23.25.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> looks amazing then
23.25.34 #       <elinenbe> after a few minutes of constant disk access and holding it tight between my legs I am at 67.655 for stable lines (as stable as they go)
23.25.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but a slowly moving pattern disturbes it
23.26.15 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: well, won't as the player heats up start slowly moving no matter what?
23.26.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, unfortunately.
23.26.47 #       <elinenbe> what is it set to right now?
23.26.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it was nice to once see what's possible.
23.26.59 #       <elinenbe> I pulled the CVS yesterday.
23.27.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's set to 71 fps.
23.27.29 #       <elinenbe> so Jörg let's get serious here....
23.27.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can you compile?
23.27.40 #       <elinenbe> yes and yes.
23.27.57 #       <elinenbe> how long will it be until you get a ID3v2 tag cover viewer in here?
23.27.58 #       <elinenbe> :D
23.27.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so you can tune it to your value.
23.28.15 #       <elinenbe> where is the setting?
23.28.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm working on a JPEG viewer infact
23.28.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it'll take some time
23.28.42 #       <elinenbe> nice!
23.29.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> first I want the A/V player out of the door
23.29.17 #       <elinenbe> then that can be used for the attached images in tags :D
23.29.26 #       <elinenbe> now I get stability at 67.221
23.29.49 #       <elinenbe> ( to heat it up I played 5 minutes of a 20 min video)
23.30.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yours doesn't show a large variation
23.30.10 #       <elinenbe> I am doing it aging...
23.30.22 #       <elinenbe> what file is the setting in?
23.30.28 #       <elinenbe> aging = again.
23.30.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> video.c
23.31.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> line 32
23.31.42 #       <elinenbe> can I define it to be a decimal?
23.31.49 #       <elinenbe> like 67.5?
23.32.02 #       <elinenbe> or does it have to be an int?
23.32.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, but you can make it times 10 or so and compensate below
23.32.58 #       <Cosmo`> man
23.33.00 #       <Cosmo`> USB2.0 is QUICK
23.33.05 #       <elinenbe> now stablity is 66.7 ish....
23.33.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> actually, times 8 would be better, but less inuitive to read
23.33.44 #       <elinenbe> I will go with 67.  My player is getting warm now though...
23.33.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, then set it to 67 and try it out
23.34.04 #       <elinenbe> the problem with this is that watching video makes the player heat up the most.
23.34.14 #       <elinenbe> you have to firgure out the heat delta
23.34.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> haha
23.34.23 #       <elinenbe> and then use that to adjust the speed on the fly
23.34.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the net player pauses the disk, like mp3 playback
23.34.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> net=new
23.35.04 #       <elinenbe> I don't quite understand.
23.35.11 #       <elinenbe> ah... I understand.
23.35.21 #       <elinenbe> but what happens when the buffer runs out?
23.35.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the disk is not running all the time any more
23.35.28 #       <elinenbe> how long does the buffer last?
23.35.32 #       <elinenbe> I have the new player here.
23.35.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it buffers to the mp3 buffer
23.35.43 #       <track> not bad, 228 songs on 1 700Mb CD-RW
23.35.59 #       <elinenbe> I have almost a constant dim red light...
23.36.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have 8MB, so it lasts quite long.
23.36.30 #       <elinenbe> what mAh batteries do you have?
23.36.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the video bitrate is about 500kBit/s, so you can do the math
23.36.41 #       <elinenbe> okay.
23.36.44 #       <elinenbe> that's cool.
23.37.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or 112*64/8*fps bytes per second
23.37.24 #       <elinenbe> the jpg viewer is going to work on the fly?
23.37.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
23.38.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it has to decode and halftone into the mp3 buffer first, then it can display
23.39.12 #       <elinenbe> but, what I mean is you will not have to halftone it on the PC?
23.39.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
23.39.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it just take a while to load it
23.39.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but no offline conversion
23.40.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (that you can do today)
23.40.10 #       <Cosmo`> hmm
23.40.12 #       <elinenbe> I know.
23.40.16 #       <Cosmo`> the XClef sounds fine on my stereo ...
23.40.22 #       <Cosmo`> but it dosen't seem to like my headphones
23.40.29 #       <elinenbe> I was just wondering how long it would take to load let's say a jpg.
23.41.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't know yet
23.41.22 #       <elinenbe> and I was also wondering if you were going to have a scale or resize function in there?
23.41.30 #       <elinenbe> now I am down to 66.2
23.41.48 #       <elinenbe> and the lines are somewhat bothersome with it set to 67 when I play movies.
23.42.57 #       <elinenbe> it looks like it could be hard to get something that will work perfectly for everyone...
23.43.10 #       <elinenbe> I think you should just make up/down work in the video plugin too?
23.43.15 #       <elinenbe> or is that not possible?
23.43.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, yes, therfore the survey
23.43.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not with audio along
23.43.48 #       <elinenbe> find the best value, and then every few minutes adjust it a little...
23.43.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for video only or stills it would be feasible
23.44.06 #       <elinenbe> now I wish I had compiled at 55
23.44.10 #       <elinenbe> I am sorry -- 66
23.44.41 #       <elinenbe> 66 seems like a better number after a certain amount of time on....
23.44.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the video has to be authored for the actual playback rate
23.45.13 #       <elinenbe> oh -- I see.
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23.51.32 #       <Cosmo`> lol
23.51.40 #       <Cosmo`> XClef getting a bit hot as i transfer 20gig to it :S