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05.23.37 #       <uirata> hi, this is my first time here - is anyone there?
05.24.31 #       <uirata> Well, anyways, I was looking to upgrade my recorder to 8mb, but I cant seem to find that darn dram chip anywhere!
05.24.51 #       <uirata> Anyone know where I might be able to find one?
05.53.05 #       <scott666> tried googling?
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06.30.24 #       <midknight2k3> hi
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08.32.28 #       <Nibbler> lo midknight2k3
08.32.38 #       <midknight2k3> hi Nibbler
08.32.42 #       <midknight2k3> :D
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09.45.16 #       <fraggle> hi guys, is there a way to pw-protect/encrypt a jukebox recorder??
09.47.19 #       <dwihno> Well
09.47.30 #       <dwihno> Theoretically it is possible to add some kind of password protection in the firmware.
09.47.35 #       <pfavr> fraggle: that's a cool idea!
09.47.39 #       <dwihno> But you would still be able to access the disk from the computer.
09.47.50 #       <pfavr> how about encrypting the filesystem!
09.47.53 #       <dwihno> (unless you break some specs, I presume, but I'm not sure)
09.48.08 #       <fraggle> because i dont wanna get caught with 20gig of mp3 by police-stop......
09.48.36 #       <pfavr> Or maybe just encrypt the files - then they would be accessible even from the computer
09.49.01 #       <pfavr> I thinkt the problem would be: how to enter the passphrase?
09.49.05 #       <fraggle> are they readable by rockboxx?
09.49.29 #       <pfavr> rockbox to my knowledge has no support for encryption
09.49.44 #       <pfavr> I'm just babbling that it would be a cool nice feature
09.50.05 #       <fraggle> yeah, or ntfs support....
09.50.26 #       <dwihno> Real time decryption of files might be too CPU intensive
09.50.30 #       <pfavr> well, I'm not that keen on ntfs support. I use this other OS (linux)
09.50.54 #       <pfavr> There are some very "light" algorithms... 
09.51.14 #       <dwihno> light algorightms for strong encryption?
09.51.24 #       <pfavr> yes
09.51.29 #       <pfavr> Blowfish
09.51.43 #       <pfavr> efficient is the right term
09.52.20 #       <fraggle> maybe interesting to know if the cops are allowed to break through pw/encryption?
09.52.26 #       <midknight2k3> lol
09.52.35 #       <pfavr> fraggle: if they can't break it then what?
09.53.12 #       <fraggle> its just a matter of time/cpu-power.....
09.54.33 #       <pfavr> if it is optional for the rockbox user. Then if it doesn't take up too much space in ram. I mean: the user can decide for himself if he want good batterylife or encryption
09.54.46 #       <pfavr> Maybe the rockbox is powered from the car anyway
09.54.47 #       <fraggle> do you use it in your car?? 
09.54.56 #       <pfavr> I don't have a car
09.55.01 #       <fraggle> lol
09.55.16 #       <pfavr> I use it on my bike though
09.56.35 #       <fraggle> im just a little bit paranoid, cos of this mp3cd-article i just read
09.57.13 #       <midknight2k3> HAS
09.57.15 #       <midknight2k3> ha*
09.57.26 #       <fraggle> they searched his house after that  O.o
09.58.10 #       <pfavr> I think it would do a fine project for rockbox to implement encryption. And picture you bragging to your friend (he's in jail because he was caught with mp3 cds): my OPEN SOURCE mp3-player supports encryption:-)
09.58.32 #       <pfavr> It is CRM in a whole new way
09.58.49 #       <fraggle> which one?
10.00.08 #       <midknight2k3> Does the watch use USB 1.1 or 2.0? This device uses the 1.1 USB standard. Due to the limited amount of data that must be transferred, a high speed USB 2.0 interface is not necessary.
10.00.09 #       <pfavr> sorry I meant content rights management - what they do with WMA - except here the encryption is to prevent you from using the music the way you want to.
10.00.13 #       <midknight2k3> LMAO duh
10.00.25 #       <midknight2k3> why would you need USB2.0 for 32KB of memory
10.00.28 #       <midknight2k3> ROFL
10.00.43 #       <pfavr> It would be faster? ;-)
10.00.59 #       <midknight2k3> yes, but with 1.0 it'd take about a second
10.01.06 #       <midknight2k3> and you couldnt really fill it all up at 1 time
10.01.07 #       <fraggle> whats wma? =)
10.01.16 #       <pfavr> Microsoft
10.01.35 #       <fraggle> never heard of that ;)
10.01.58 #       <uirata> wow - this channel just livened up - hello everyone
10.02.06 #       <midknight2k3> hi uirata
10.02.37 #       <uirata> hi hi.  I was hoping someone here might know where to get the 8mn dram chip for the recorder memory upgrade
10.02.45 #       <uirata> er.. 8mn = 8meg
10.03.13 #       <midknight2k3> uirata, where to order the actual chip?
10.03.17 #       <uirata> I've been searching all over the net for over a month now - quite frustrating
10.03.23 #       <uirata> yeah..  
10.03.58 #       <uirata> I found a company called Bimen, but they're not responding (probably because I only need one)
10.05.06 #       <midknight2k3> tada
10.05.13 #       <midknight2k3> bimex is what you need
10.06.04 #       <midknight2k3> er
10.06.05 #       <midknight2k3> hang on
10.07.17 #       <midknight2k3> LOL sure you don't want a 512MB chip instead? ;)
10.09.03 #       <midknight2k3> hah a type of memory called "HANDY SDRAM"
10.10.52 #       <fraggle> wow this ram-upgrade is kinda hardcore, i dont wanna try this as long as i dont win a jackpot somewhere
10.11.46 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
10.13.13 #       <fraggle> but arcos must have been drunk assembling 2mb-chips ^^
10.13.18 #       <midknight2k3> here's your data sheet:
10.13.19 #       <midknight2k3> http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/pdf/dram/GM71V(S)65163C(CL).PDF
10.14.18 #       <midknight2k3> and
10.14.22 #       <midknight2k3> here is a log that may help:
10.14.22 #       <midknight2k3> 19.45.15 #       <xam> I can't find the GM71VS65163CLT5 anywhere on their (bimex.de) website ...
10.14.23 #       <midknight2k3> 19.49.50 #       <Kamayaka> you need to ask for this device info@bimex.de (think this is their e-mail) shipping did cost 3EUR... + tax
10.14.46 #       <midknight2k3> so i'd suggest you email   info@bimex.de   asking for part # GM71VS65163CLT5
10.15.56 #       <midknight2k3> rather, this looks like another email you might try:
10.15.57 #       <midknight2k3> w.bilski@bimex.de
10.20.04 #       <fraggle> another question: is it possible to plug a bigger hd in my rec20?
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10.21.35 #       <dwihno> yup
10.21.37 #       <dwihno> it's quite easy
10.21.44 #       <dwihno> (if you are patient)
10.22.28 #       <fraggle> with any notebook-drive? 
10.26.19 #       <midknight2k3> basically
10.26.26 #       <midknight2k3> what size'd you want?
10.26.59 #       <fraggle> hmm as big as possible. 80gig?
10.27.22 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
10.27.22 #       <midknight2k3> they go up to 80
10.27.45 #       <fraggle> has to bee fujitsu or just 9.5mm in height?
10.28.21 #       <dwihno> 9.5mm
10.28.22 #       <midknight2k3> http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=708941/ut=181227a9387df35b      <--- works
10.28.49 #       <fraggle> ure my hero ;)
10.28.55 #       <midknight2k3> woo woo
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10.29.17 #       <midknight2k3> with the price you could buy a whole nother 'jbrec
10.29.19 #       <midknight2k3> hi track
10.29.23 #       <track> hi mid
10.29.37 #       <fraggle> im laughin at my friend whos got a ipod, lmao
10.29.39 #       <track> whats new?
10.29.52 #       <midknight2k3> not much
10.29.56 #       <track> lol ok
10.30.04 #       <midknight2k3> preset loading
10.30.05 #       <track> well the ipod does have style kudos
10.30.27 #       <midknight2k3> GO EDONKEY
10.30.30 #       <midknight2k3> uhh err ahem
10.30.31 #       <midknight2k3> WOOO
10.30.36 #       <midknight2k3> 28KB/s MY HERO
10.30.39 #       <midknight2k3> 31!
10.30.50 #       <track> :P
10.30.55 #       <midknight2k3> aaw
10.30.56 #       <midknight2k3> 25
10.30.58 #       <midknight2k3> 26
10.31.00 #       <midknight2k3> 25
10.31.03 #       <midknight2k3> 23
10.31.04 #       <midknight2k3> boooh
10.31.09 #       <track> get a faster modem
10.31.10 #       <track> :P
10.31.10 #       <pfavr> (what's wrong with 50?)
10.31.11 #       <midknight2k3> faster faster
10.31.20 #       <midknight2k3> its not my modem its edonkey itself
10.31.23 #       <midknight2k3> hard to find a good server
10.31.30 #       <midknight2k3> pfavr, what?
10.31.37 #       <track> ok
10.31.38 #       <track> :D
10.31.45 #       <pfavr> midknight2k3: just my speed limit so far
10.31.48 #       <midknight2k3> 48 mins remaining
10.32.01 #       <track> kool
10.32.04 #       <midknight2k3> hmm i wonder if they have train Sim on here :)
10.32.07 #       <track> gonna make a cuppa
10.32.14 #       <midknight2k3> pfavr, i've got unlimited speed limit
10.32.31 #       <midknight2k3> it's just .. OOH 31KB/s
10.32.33 #       <midknight2k3> 33
10.32.36 #       <midknight2k3> go edonkey
10.32.38 #       <midknight2k3> 32
10.32.38 #       <midknight2k3> 31
10.32.40 #       <midknight2k3> no go up
10.32.43 #       <midknight2k3> UP
10.32.43 #       <pfavr> I don't get it
10.32.49 #       <midknight2k3> 31...
10.32.51 #       <midknight2k3> 30 noo
10.32.54 #       <midknight2k3> 29 NO
10.32.56 #       <midknight2k3> 32 yay
10.32.59 #       <midknight2k3> ok i stop
10.33.09 #       <pfavr> using edonkey - you're at 30  - I say I did 50
10.33.15 #       <midknight2k3> 631MB/702MB
10.33.25 #       <midknight2k3> i'm getting 30kb/s
10.33.31 #       <midknight2k3> 38 holy YAY
10.33.38 #       <pfavr> anyone care to submit a feature request saying: encryption
10.33.47 #       <midknight2k3> pfavr, not gonna work
10.34.06 #       <pfavr> midknight2k3: why?
10.34.26 #       <midknight2k3> well, what would you have in mind? it'd be basically impossible anyways, but let's hear it
10.34.36 #       * pfavr is away: coffee is needed
10.34.51 #       <midknight2k3> HA
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10.36.49 #       <fraggle> pw-protection on startup should be possible? right?
10.37.03 #       <midknight2k3> well, yeah...
10.37.09 #       <midknight2k3> that's not exactly encryption
10.37.29 #       <fraggle> this may stop police from takin a look onto it
10.37.36 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
10.37.59 #       <midknight2k3> ok, well, usb mode would override it. it wouldn't be encrypted.
10.38.25 #       * pfavr is back
10.38.54 #       <pfavr> I'm thinking .mcr instead of .mp3
10.39.01 #       <pfavr> mp3 encrypted
10.39.10 #       <track> back
10.39.12 #       <pfavr> and a special tool for encrypting the files on your computer
10.39.23 #       <midknight2k3> uhh
10.39.26 #       <fraggle> jeah but this would be enough for now, so they cannot browse quickly while checking the car
10.39.32 #       <pfavr> then rockbox support for decrypting on the fly as it reads
10.39.58 #       <midknight2k3> well uh
10.40.02 #       <pfavr> I'm sure it would be possible - so who will do it first?
10.40.03 #       <midknight2k3> if rockbox can decrypt it
10.40.11 #       <midknight2k3> what's the point of ENcrypting it then?
10.40.24 #       <pfavr> you'll need to enter your passphrase on power-up
10.40.32 #       <pfavr> if the police comes: poweroff
10.40.40 #       <pfavr> and you're safe
10.41.04 #       <midknight2k3> i thought we were talking about the tool for encryption
10.41.24 #       <fraggle> this would be the next step
10.42.04 #       <pfavr> if somebody enters the password wrong three times in a row: wipe the drive (oh no!-)
10.42.06 #       <track> but how would it benifit you if your jukebox was stolen?
10.42.17 #       <pfavr> track: it wouldn't
10.42.37 #       <fraggle> please someone code a login, which lang. is rockbox coded with?
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10.43.45 #       <fraggle> mabe i can do it myself.. in c/c++
10.44.05 #       <pfavr> C. The login could be used both for a login screen and for encryption
10.44.43 #       <midknight2k3> yes, good idea. lets see who can code this
10.44.51 #       <fraggle> i will destroy my drive, omg
10.45.06 #       <pfavr> Well, I might give it a shot (next week or next summer;-)
10.45.29 #       <pfavr> I'd really like to do it - preferably together with somebody who knows rockbox a little better than I
10.45.54 #       <uski> what do you want to code ?
10.45.59 #       <uski> a login/password screen ?
10.46.07 #       <pfavr> Not that I need it really - but it would be cool to brag about to those IPOD owners
10.46.37 #       <pfavr> uski: decryption of encrypted mp3 files - using blowfish
10.46.44 #       <pfavr> and a login
10.46.45 #       <uski> you could use AES for encryption; it is very light, and very robust
10.46.52 #       <uski> i am not sure blowfish is a good choice
10.47.03 #       <midknight2k3> it'd be pretty easy actually
10.47.04 #       <uski> AES is more appropriate for embedded devices
10.47.13 #       <pfavr> uski: I am no encryption expert - AES is probably the way to go
10.47.20 #       <uski> it is ;)
10.47.28 #       <pfavr> uski: would it be fun?
10.47.39 #       <uski> i don't see any use of it
10.47.51 #       <uski> also you would have to encrypt your files on your computer before being able to read them
10.48.07 #       <uski> and the key would be very very weak as we have only like 10 keys
10.48.20 #       <pfavr> it should just be an option: wyou would be able to mix encrypted and non-encrypted files on your drive
10.48.30 #       <uski> yea
10.48.47 #       <pfavr> but the keys is a problem - it take too long to enter the passphrase
10.49.25 #       <uski> no, you could use a password like "up up down f1 f2 up f2 right"
10.49.40 #       <uski> but as there are not many possibilities, the key will be weak
10.49.47 #       <uski> if you use the arrows and the 3 function keys
10.49.55 #       <uski> you would have 7 keys
10.50.00 #       <pfavr> how about having a key-file (for a longer key) with a passphrase like e.g. 0192 (on a suitcase)
10.50.02 #       <uski> => 7^n possibilities
10.50.08 #       <uski> with n "chars" in the passphrase
10.50.23 #       <uski> lol if you have a keyfile, encryption becomes no use
10.50.26 #       <pfavr> then if the passphrase is wrong 3 times you delete the keyfile on disk
10.50.32 #       <uski> remember that everybody can read your drive using usb and you cannot prevent it
10.50.46 #       <pfavr> yes
10.50.51 #       <uski> no, everybody will be able to retrieve the passphrase via usb
10.50.52 #       <pfavr> you're right
10.51.08 #       <uski> i think the only way to go is to use the arrows and the key as "characters"
10.51.25 #       <midknight2k3> uh
10.51.26 #       <pfavr> just thought maybe the key-file would be deleted from the drive before it got in the wrong hands
10.51.26 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
10.51.28 #       <midknight2k3> like
10.51.32 #       <midknight2k3> right left right right
10.51.33 #       <midknight2k3> or
10.51.36 #       <midknight2k3> up down right up
10.51.45 #       <midknight2k3> or
10.51.49 #       <midknight2k3> play play play play
10.51.52 #       <uski> yea but with this you have 7^4 = 2401 possibilities
10.51.55 #       <uski> which is far too low !
10.51.59 #       <midknight2k3> wtf
10.52.01 #       <uski> it can be brute-forced in 30secs..
10.52.02 #       <midknight2k3> too LOW?
10.52.06 #       <uski> yea !
10.52.11 #       <fraggle> but i think the cops are not allowed to take the drive, without a trace..
10.52.12 #       <midknight2k3> who the hell would brute force an ajb?
10.52.12 #       <uski> i connect to your archos via usb
10.52.15 #       <uski> i take the files
10.52.27 #       <pfavr> uski is right
10.52.32 #       <uski> i brute force them, trying all possibilities and waiting to get a correct mp3 header
10.52.34 #       <midknight2k3> "oooh let me haxor this archos"
10.52.38 #       <uski> it takes 1 minute with a computetr
10.52.51 #       <uski> midknight2k3: it is extremely easy to do
10.52.54 #       <pfavr> you could do something with a longer key in a file on disk
10.53.00 #       <midknight2k3> WTF are you talking about encryption for anyways? who wants to encrypt their music?
10.53.05 #       <pfavr> and then a shorter passphrase for decrypting that key
10.53.05 #       <uski> if we implement things like this, we will see "archos mp3 universal decryptor" programs on the web
10.53.13 #       <uski> pfavr: it's the same
10.53.18 #       <uski> but instead of brute forcing the mp3
10.53.26 #       <uski> people will brute force the passphrase file
10.53.35 #       <pfavr> no, not if you're able to delete the keyfile (wipe) before somebody gets to it
10.53.43 #       <uski> you cannot do it
10.53.49 #       <uski> because when you connect sometihng to the usb port
10.53.56 #       <pfavr> maybe it would be wiped automatically if you plug the usb?
10.53.57 #       <uski> the microcontroller is "disconnected" of the harddrive
10.53.59 #       <uski> you cannot prevent it
10.54.02 #       <fraggle> its just keepin the cops away browsing my hd while checking the car
10.54.37 #       <uski> fraggle: perhaps you could use a simple start password then
10.54.40 #       <uski> but it will be weak
10.54.41 #       <pfavr> uski: you're right, but maybe we could come up with some clever scheme
10.55.05 #       <fraggle> im completely lost in the code
10.55.14 #       <uski> pfavr: impossible :) i know some interesting schemes but they are all weak in some point
10.55.32 #       <uski> the only interesting thing would be to store the passphrase in the flash memory
10.55.46 #       <pfavr> security is not either black or white - I think it is a tradeoff between inconvenience and security
10.55.48 #       <uski> and to use a "weak" passphrase to pretect it (weak =) the one you enter with the 7 keys)
10.55.56 #       <uski> but => not all archos have a writable flash memory 
10.55.58 #       <fraggle> uski pleeeze code a simple login, this would be enough for those silly cops
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10.56.16 #       <pfavr> uski: ahh you're clever: you cannot get to the flash from USB?
10.56.37 #       <uski> no, we cannot
10.56.43 #       <midknight2k3> lol of course not
10.56.44 #       <uski> BUT this feature cannot be used by all archos owners
10.56.56 #       <uski> ALSO if someone really want to haxor your archos, he can do the uart boot mod
10.57.01 #       <pfavr> So, not all games can be used either?
10.57.03 #       <uski> and he can read the flash before you can do anything in software
10.57.09 #       <uski> ?
10.57.14 #       <uski> games do not use the flash memory
10.57.16 #       <fraggle> cops a dumb as bread and lazy
10.57.28 #       <pfavr> uski: screen size?
10.57.32 #       <pfavr> uski: buttons?
10.57.36 #       <uski> fraggle: let read the code, wait
10.57.38 #       <uski> pfavr: ?
10.57.48 #       <pfavr> just thought some things was not good on all models
10.57.56 #       <pfavr> I only have an JBR20 anyway
10.58.05 #       <pfavr> so how would I know:-)
10.58.05 #       <uski> pfavr: go to the debug menu
10.58.08 #       <uski> see the flash info
10.58.14 #       <uski> if you have ?? ??: you cannot write on the flash
10.58.17 #       <uski> (and you cannot flash your archos)
10.58.23 #       <fraggle> which is the main program-funktion?  im lost
10.58.31 #       <pfavr> I know I can write my flash - because I flashed 2.1
10.58.51 #       <pfavr> uski: help fraggle, he's doing the login!
10.59.16 #       <uski> apps/main.c
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11.00.35 #       <pfavr> I guess there is a way for the CPU to see if the USB is connected (brings up the USB screen)
11.00.47 #       <uski> yes
11.00.53 #       <uski> but he can only SEE the usb is connected
11.01.00 #       <uski> and once the CPU saw that USB is connected
11.01.03 #       <uski> it is too late to do anything
11.01.11 #       <uski> because the hard drive is already disconnected by hardware
11.01.13 #       <pfavr> about the harddrive yes
11.01.25 #       <pfavr> but the flash may be changed
11.01.27 #       <uski> fraggle: i think you could implement your code in app_main
11.01.39 #       <uski> between init and browse_root
11.02.00 #       <uski> pfavr: right, but we can not implement a feature that only a few archos owner can use
11.02.01 #       <midknight2k3> you know...
11.02.06 #       <midknight2k3> you could just store it in the config block
11.02.13 #       <midknight2k3> if you didnt think of that already
11.02.24 #       <uski> midknight2k3: yea but it could be retrieved too easily
11.02.29 #       <midknight2k3> no
11.02.32 #       <uski> anyway i think an encryption feature is no use
11.02.35 #       <pfavr> config block - is that on the hd?
11.02.35 #       <midknight2k3> you can't access the config block from a PC
11.02.45 #       <midknight2k3> no
11.02.46 #       <uski> midknight2k3: erm, where is it stored ?
11.03.00 #       <pfavr> RTC clock ram?
11.03.03 #       <midknight2k3> the battery backupped area of ram i believe
11.03.06 #       <uski> ooooo
11.03.08 #       <uski> excellent
11.03.16 #       <uski> let me see if there is some space left
11.03.17 #       <pfavr> what?
11.03.20 #       <midknight2k3> there is
11.03.25 #       <midknight2k3> 0xF5 - 0xFF
11.03.28 #       <midknight2k3> is free
11.03.33 #       <uski> aaaaaah far too low
11.03.35 #       <pfavr> you guys are to fast for me:-)
11.03.43 #       <midknight2k3> how so, uski?
11.03.44 #       <uski> hmmm
11.03.53 #       <uski> 10 bytes
11.03.59 #       <uski> hmmm perhaps it is enough
11.04.13 #       <fraggle> jeah, but im unable to implement a graphical login screen.....
11.04.16 #       <uski> this crypto feature is becoming interesting :)
11.04.24 #       <uski> fraggle: there are already some functions for this
11.04.26 #       <uski> (i think)
11.05.09 #       <pfavr> 80 bits is 1.20892581961463e+24
11.05.24 #       <fraggle> ok i study it some more, pretty unhandy formatation
11.05.35 #       <pfavr> Think the keypad will be worn out by then
11.06.01 #       <midknight2k3> uski, even so... then we'd fill it up
11.06.07 #       <midknight2k3> and leave no room for new features
11.06.14 #       <midknight2k3> or anything else
11.06.20 #       <uski> pfavr: yea but we must make some program to use all these bits
11.06.25 #       <midknight2k3> there must be some way... let me think on this one
11.06.35 #       <uski> bercause if you use only ascii codes like AZERTYYU.....azertyu....123...
11.06.40 #       <pfavr> maybe I should work - but this is much more fun
11.06.41 #       <uski> then you would use perhaps like 50 possibilities
11.06.58 #       <uski> we should restrict the user to something like 64 possibilities
11.07.22 #       <uski> then we "compress" these psosibilities into the space we have
11.07.22 #       <uski> hmm
11.07.25 #       <uski> like we have 80 bits
11.07.49 #       <dwihno> Using a keyfile is more attractive.
11.07.50 #       <uski> hmm
11.07.56 #       * uski thinks
11.08.08 #       <uski> dwihno: yea, and i connect to your archos via usb and i can retrieve it
11.08.11 #       <pfavr> i think a 0000-9999 would suffice (for the user to enter) - it could be done quickly using the arrow keys
11.08.19 #       <uski> an encryption feature is no use if it is weak
11.08.36 #       <uski> pfavr: yea.. give me your archos and i brute force it in minutes
11.08.54 #       <uski> i could even make a firmware that does this in the archos...
11.09.21 #       <pfavr> I'm not going to put on millitary secrets - just do something that makes it not worth the hassle
11.09.38 #       <pfavr> but off course it should be as good as possible
11.09.49 #       <pfavr> a passphrase for a keyfile
11.09.55 #       <uski> (make a loop, for every iteration: - increment the counter - decrypt the key stored somewhere - use this key to decrypt an encrypted mp3 file - if we have a valid mp3 header then the key is correct, if we don't then do the next iteration)
11.09.57 #       <pfavr> the keyfile is long and AES
11.10.03 #       <fraggle> just keepin off the cops not the nsa ;)
11.10.04 #       <uski> it's the same !
11.10.11 #       <uski> if you protect youtr keyfile with a weak key
11.10.17 #       <uski> it is like you protected your files with a weak key
11.10.29 #       <midknight2k3> but uski
11.10.30 #       <midknight2k3> really
11.10.34 #       <uski> fraggle: then a simple login screen is ok i think
11.10.36 #       <midknight2k3> its not like its some super secret pc
11.10.43 #       <uski> but don't implement an encryption if it is weak
11.10.43 #       <midknight2k3> its just meant to keep ppl out
11.10.52 #       <midknight2k3> if they want to brute force it let them
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11.10.58 #       <pfavr> I think fraggle is right: a login could be useful
11.11.15 #       <pfavr> the other think is more for the fun of it
11.11.27 #       <fraggle> jeah the cops dont have a notebook usually while car-checking
11.11.40 #       <uski> right
11.11.44 #       <pfavr> uski: how come you protect your ssh rsa keys using a passphrase?
11.11.53 #       <uski> but what do you do if they tell you "give me the password"
11.12.04 #       <uski> hmm well you could say "i don't remember it" lol
11.12.19 #       <pfavr> uski: you just deleted it when you plugged in the usb cable!
11.12.36 #       <uski> pfavr: ?
11.12.51 #       <pfavr> nvram: stores part of the passphrase for the keyfile on disk
11.12.58 #       <pfavr> you are supposed to enter the other part
11.13.02 #       <uski> the ssh asymetric keys (not necessary rsa) are protected with a symetric key because they don't have a "self" protection
11.13.03 #       <pfavr> if you fail
11.13.06 #       <fraggle> which pw? ;)
11.13.11 #       <pfavr> so goes the part in nvram
11.13.12 #       <uski> i mean it's not like protecting a symetric key with a symetric key
11.13.13 #       <uski> it's not the same
11.13.41 #       <pfavr> if you plug in the usb: the nvram is lost
11.13.52 #       <pfavr> if you try to flash someting else: away goes the nvram
11.13.53 #       <uski> pfavr: and what if i shut off the archos
11.14.02 #       <uski> then i put the harddrive in my computer
11.14.07 #       <uski> i put a new archos.ajz file
11.14.10 #       <uski> then i retrieve the nvram
11.14.12 #       <uski> and bingo
11.14.25 #       <uski> an archos is not a secured thing
11.14.29 #       <midknight2k3> WTF
11.14.34 #       <uski> and you can _always_ bypass the protections
11.14.37 #       <pfavr> if the JBR is flashed using rockbox it could delete the nvram before it loads the archos.ajz
11.14.41 #       <midknight2k3> who the HELL would take out the hard drive to bypass a security key
11.15.02 #       <uski> pfavr: then i open the archos, connect to the I2C pins of the nvram, and i retrieve it using any I2C interface
11.15.06 #       <fraggle> i just want to get rid of cops, not more 
11.15.22 #       <uski> KEY I HAVE AN IDEA
11.15.26 #       <uski> why not locking the harddrive ?????
11.15.28 #       <pfavr> uski: there is no such thing as absolute security - you can even break your mobile phone security
11.15.30 #       <uski> they have a password feature
11.15.36 #       <uski> and it is impossible to bypass it
11.15.43 #       <uski> pfavr: i know :]
11.15.56 #       <pfavr> uski: you're clever: the harddrive locking
11.15.58 #       <uski> but the harddrive password is very very good
11.16.07 #       <uski> the only thing to implement is to add some check in the init
11.16.12 #       <uski> if the disk is locked, then ask for a password
11.16.14 #       <pfavr> uski: but I thought there always is a backdor
11.16.21 #       <fraggle> whta are u waiting for? =)
11.16.25 #       <uski> pfavr: yea there might be
11.16.38 #       <uski> but it will be more secure than putting the keys in the RTC
11.16.43 #       <pfavr> uski: and couldn't you just take the plates from the drive and put it in another drive?
11.16.56 #       <uski> pfavr: it is a lot harder to do than reading an I2C RAM, believe me :)
11.17.01 #       <pfavr> uski: or put in a new flash on the drive?-)
11.17.05 #       <uski> you would need a "white room" to do it
11.17.07 #       <uski> lol
11.17.08 #       <pfavr> uski: just kidding
11.17.18 #       <pfavr> uski: well my walls are white here
11.17.29 #       <uski> i mean the atmosphere should be clean
11.17.45 #       <pfavr> uski: and I think if you only want to read it once you don't need the white room
11.17.46 #       <uski> because any thing that goes on the plates of the harddrive will kill the heads
11.17.51 #       <uski> no
11.18.04 #       <uski> because it will damage the head if any impurity falls on the plates
11.18.13 #       <pfavr> uski: never tried it though
11.18.26 #       <uski> pfavr: do not try it, you will damage things
11.18.51 #       <pfavr> well, if you drive is damaged anyway and you just want to get some of the data...
11.19.08 #       <uski> yea..
11.19.15 #       <uski> but you'll damage naother hard drive then  :)
11.19.34 #       <fraggle> so most appreciated feature for 2.2 is a login!
11.19.35 #       <pfavr> I like the idea of a HD password
11.19.44 #       <uski> fraggle: hard disk locking is even better
11.20.02 #       <uski> it cant be bypassed, even by usb
11.20.08 #       <pfavr> but still somebody needs to figure out how the passphrase should be entered
11.20.10 #       <fraggle> dont overestimate the cops, lol
11.20.26 #       <fraggle> jeah thats a good point
11.20.29 #       <pfavr> fraggle: you only have mp3's on that thing?
11.20.38 #       <midknight2k3> yea wtf
11.20.39 #       <fraggle> no
11.20.46 #       <pfavr> the rockbox will be in the next james bond movie!
11.20.46 #       <midknight2k3> top secret stolen goods?
11.21.17 #       <midknight2k3> yes ma'am
11.21.17 #       <fraggle> not really top secret, but not really legal ;)
11.21.22 #       <midknight2k3> uh oh
11.21.26 #       <midknight2k3> i won't inquire
11.21.35 #       <uski> pfavr: very simply
11.21.39 #       <uski> make a screen like
11.21.42 #       <uski> Enter password:
11.21.42 #       <uski> _
11.21.50 #       <uski> and then you put symbols
11.21.52 #       <uski> like >
11.21.53 #       <uski> <
11.21.54 #       <uski> ^
11.21.57 #       <uski> (down)
11.21.58 #       <uski> F1
11.21.59 #       <uski> F2
11.22.00 DBUG    Enqueued KICK uski
11.22.00 #       <uski> F3
11.22.04 #       <midknight2k3> well, if they arent MP3s and they arent legal why put them on the ajb in the 1st palce
11.22.04 #       <midknight2k3> easy
11.22.04 #       <midknight2k3> down = v
11.22.05 #       <uski> you could also put stars
11.22.06 #       <midknight2k3> < > ^ v
11.22.12 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
11.22.13 #       <uski> and then you convert these things to ASCII chars
11.22.14 #       <midknight2k3> i may try
11.22.15 #       <uski> like U for UP
11.22.19 #       <uski> D for DOWN
11.22.21 #       <uski> L for LEFT
11.22.22 #       <uski> R for RIGHT
11.22.24 #       <uski> 1 for F1
11.22.25 #       <uski> ...
11.22.37 #       <uski> this way you could use a standard PC to unlock the drive is you want to do so
11.22.38 #       <midknight2k3> the time machines on yay
11.22.46 #       <pfavr> or: present a 4 digit code: 0000 which the user has to correct using up down right and left into the 4-digit pin
11.23.00 #       <midknight2k3> lol yeah
11.23.03 #       <uski> pfavr: yea why not
11.23.05 #       <midknight2k3> we get the idea
11.23.10 #       <uski> but it is longer to enter
11.23.16 #       <pfavr> I think the 4-digit is easier to remeber
11.23.23 #       <uski> not sure
11.23.29 #       <uski> F1 F2 F3 F2 F1 UP DOWN LEFT RIGHT
11.23.32 #       <uski> is that hard ? ;)
11.23.37 #       <fraggle> jeah this should be enough
11.23.53 #       <pfavr> well change that into some egypt/ancient symbols:-)
11.24.01 #       <pfavr> would look good on the screen
11.24.12 #       <uski> nah, i think we should put stars on the screen
11.24.28 #       <midknight2k3> shh
11.24.31 #       <uski> and it is also important to remap the keys to U D L R 1 2 3 internally
11.24.33 #       <midknight2k3> and we need one of those privacy things
11.24.34 #       <uski> for the password
11.24.35 #       <pfavr> how about a small game - and if you fail: wipe the drive
11.24.37 #       <fraggle> my pass would be 911 lol
11.24.41 #       <midknight2k3> liek that covers the LCD so only you can see it
11.24.42 #       <uski> lolol fragle
11.24.48 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
11.24.50 #       <midknight2k3> uski
11.24.50 #       <uski> midknight2k3: lool
11.25.02 #       <midknight2k3> if you get to level 2 on tetris access granted
11.25.03 #       <pfavr> lololol
11.25.06 #       <midknight2k3> else, format disk
11.25.15 #       <pfavr> yeah
11.25.26 #       <pfavr> or ask: "are you a cop (Y/n)?"
11.25.32 #       <uski> LOL
11.25.36 #       <midknight2k3> if they say "n" wipe the disk
11.25.43 #       <midknight2k3> else Y grants access
11.25.46 #       <pfavr> lol
11.25.47 #       <uski> printf(stdout, "are you a cop ?");
11.25.47 #       <midknight2k3> tricky
11.25.57 #       <midknight2k3> rockbox doesnt printf
11.26.00 #       <fraggle> rofl
11.26.01 #       <uski> if (buf = "yes") FORMAT HARDDRIVE;
11.26.08 #       <uski> i know ;)
11.26.08 #       <pfavr> "are you stupid ?"
11.26.19 #       <pfavr> (I would answer yes to that one)
11.26.33 #       <dwihno> hehe
11.26.38 #       <midknight2k3> lol
11.26.41 #       <dwihno> uski: you're funny ;D
11.26.45 #       <uski> ;)
11.27.10 #       <midknight2k3> what about me
11.27.13 #       <midknight2k3> arent i funny too
11.27.16 #       <uski> no
11.27.18 #       <midknight2k3> :-(
11.27.20 #       <uski> you you are stupid
11.27.21 #       <uski> :P
11.27.27 #       <midknight2k3> eat me
11.27.28 #       <uski> ;D
11.27.31 #       <uski> naaah
11.27.34 #       <uski> only bones
11.27.35 #       <pfavr> no: that's me: I'm the stupiest ever
11.27.48 #       <fraggle> so your a cop...
11.27.57 #       <uski> "are you a cop ?"
11.28.02 #       <uski> "why do you want to check this drive ?"
11.28.04 #       <pfavr> any of you in Stockholm?
11.28.09 #       <uski> and you put 5000 questions
11.28.14 #       <uski> so after 100 the cop gives up
11.28.16 #       <midknight2k3> THEN THEY GIVE UP
11.28.19 #       <midknight2k3> ITS GENIUS
11.28.20 #       <uski> yea lol
11.28.34 #       <midknight2k3> "are you 59.452 years old?"
11.28.37 #       <fraggle> 4-3= ?
11.28.39 #       <uski> LOL you can put some riddles
11.28.44 #       <uski> with very very klong to enter answers
11.28.49 #       <uski> "BOO WRONG ANSWER, try again :P"
11.28.55 #       <uski> "OK RIGHT ! next question :]"
11.29.14 #       <pfavr> or just ask: "are you sure (y/n)" 20 times (and you're supposed to hit y every time)
11.29.24 #       <uski> LOL better
11.29.27 #       <fraggle> when u will upload the new firmware, uski?
11.29.32 #       <uski> "are you sure ? right = yes, left= no"
11.29.36 #       <pfavr> most people would think the box was broken and turn away
11.29.36 #       <uski> and after some times
11.29.39 #       <uski> you invert right and left
11.29.55 #       <uski> fraggle: im not sure i'll be able to implement this
11.30.02 #       <uski> i'm not very familiar with the ATA specs
11.30.16 #       <uski> i thikn we should wait for linux, bjorn, or somebody like "that" :)
11.30.16 #       <fraggle> im sure im not ;)
11.30.20 #       <pfavr> oh you could risk to lockup your drive
11.30.29 #       <uski> pfavr: not a problem
11.30.32 #       <uski> there is a "unlock feature"
11.30.37 #       <uski> even if you don't kow the password
11.30.44 #       <uski> ...but it erases all the data
11.30.45 #       <pfavr> then the cops could use that
11.30.55 #       <pfavr> uski: ah very clever indeed!
11.31.01 #       <pfavr> didn't know that
11.31.22 #       <pfavr> are there really no way of unlocking without loosing the data?
11.31.28 #       <uski> no way
11.32.06 #       <pfavr> cool
11.32.31 #       <pfavr> how come some companies still sell encryption for laptops then?
11.32.41 #       <uski> no idea
11.32.49 #       <pfavr> (or demand you to use it - even the pagefile)
11.32.50 #       <uski> perhaps to prevent people from taking apart the plates
11.33.00 #       <uski> some companies are specialized in "taking plates apart"
11.33.05 #       <pfavr> yeah makes sense
11.33.17 #       <pfavr> (I can take them apart :-)
11.33.49 #       <uski> yea but not sure you'll be able to restore the data..
11.34.00 #       <uski> i am pretty sure it will not work
11.34.06 #       <uski> you'll have to align the plates, and so on
11.34.11 #       <uski> hard drive are very precise mechanics
11.34.13 #       <pfavr> (you get good refrigerator magnets from a harddrive - almost so strong you can stick another refridgerator to your fridge using only one magnet!)
11.34.32 #       <uski> yae i know
11.34.38 #       <uski> not that strong i think ;)
11.34.44 #       <uski> but, yea, very strong
11.34.45 #       <pfavr> harddrive alignment: thought it was done in software nowadays
11.34.50 #       <uski> ?
11.34.58 #       <uski> if the plates are not very horizontal
11.35.07 #       <uski> they will go "up" and "down" beyond the head
11.35.11 #       <uski> see what i mean ?
11.35.26 #       <pfavr> yeah, but wouldn't you keep them on the spindle?
11.35.31 #       <uski> imagine an inclined circle that is spinning, with an axe on the center
11.35.48 #       <uski> yea but how to be sure it is correctly aligned ?
11.35.50 #       <pfavr> uski: (I'm really talking out of my ass here - don't know a thing about hd internals)
11.36.01 #       <uski> ;)
11.36.13 #       <uski> you have < 0.1mm of error margin i think
11.36.19 #       <uski> probably even less
11.36.36 #       <uski> the data is extremely dense
11.36.47 #       <uski> any error would cause read/write not being aligned with previous data
11.36.59 #       <pfavr> Some people would say to do the 8meg upgrade would demand a specialized company with trained personel
11.37.11 #       <uski> nah, i could do it
11.37.17 #       <uski> but you _need_ electronics background
11.37.24 #       <uski> and good soldering skills
11.37.44 #       <pfavr> yeah: that's what I mean. If you got like 100 harddrives and some good tools you could probably do that as well
11.37.46 #       <uski> (and i don't have professionnal equipment, just a regulated soldering iron with 1mm tip)
11.38.17 #       <uski> nah, because if the first try is not good, you will probably kill the data
11.38.17 #       <pfavr> but you're not getting my drive to play with
11.38.28 #       <uski> remember the data is in only one plate
11.38.59 #       <pfavr> yes: then use 99 for training - and the 1 for getting the data
11.39.15 #       <pfavr> it would cost you 20000$
11.39.19 #       <pfavr> in drives:-)
11.39.24 #       <uski> no :)
11.39.26 #       <uski> wrong :)
11.39.43 #       <uski> you have to be sure you corectly align the head in the first try
11.39.50 #       <pfavr> I could just send you some mp3's of mine for free - you would save the hassle
11.39.52 #       <uski> (i mean for the plates with the data)
11.40.00 #       <uski> lol yea
11.40.09 #       <uski> brb
11.40.15 #       <pfavr> want to hear some of my music?
11.40.16 #       <uski> gotta have a shower
11.42.09 #       <midknight2k3> go go edonky
11.42.18 #       <midknight2k3> 2:42 am
11.42.18 #       <midknight2k3> sheesh
11.42.26 #       <pfavr> midknight2k3: what are you downloading
11.42.42 #       <midknight2k3> 23kb/s woo
11.42.42 #       <midknight2k3> flight sim 2004
11.42.53 #       <pfavr> ah ok - I don't play games
11.43.00 #       <midknight2k3> i don't either
11.43.04 #       <midknight2k3> not often anyhow
11.43.41 #       <midknight2k3> 98.95%
11.43.50 #       <midknight2k3> 99.01%
11.43.50 #       <midknight2k3> woo woo
11.45.36 #       <midknight2k3> 99.27%
11.45.52 #       <midknight2k3> GRR
11.45.55 #       <midknight2k3> i hafta get nero
11.46.09 #       <pfavr> waiting stress:-)
11.46.14 #       <midknight2k3> yes it is
11.46.18 #       <midknight2k3> lol
11.47.02 #       <pfavr> I've heard they're about to start selling 26MBit/s connections in Stockholm (both up and down)
11.47.34 #       <midknight2k3> thats good.
11.47.40 #       <midknight2k3> 99.55%
11.47.57 #       <pfavr> (and the same price as a normal ADSL)
11.48.30 #       <midknight2k3> ok sir
11.48.34 #       <midknight2k3> 99.66%
11.48.36 #       <midknight2k3> cmon
11.48.39 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
11.48.42 #       <midknight2k3> huge speed jump
11.48.48 #       <midknight2k3> aww just went back down
11.49.23 #       <midknight2k3> 99.77%
11.49.51 #       <midknight2k3> this cd better work
11.50.11 #       <midknight2k3> if its corrupt or something
11.50.11 #       <midknight2k3> i'll blow up
11.52.33 #       <midknight2k3> 99.89%
11.52.36 #       <midknight2k3> CMON HURRY UP
11.52.38 #       <midknight2k3> 99.92%
11.52.40 #       <midknight2k3> 99.94
11.52.42 #       <midknight2k3> it's so close
11.52.44 #       <midknight2k3> but so slow
11.52.48 #       <midknight2k3> 99.96
11.52.50 #       <midknight2k3> 99.98
11.52.52 #       <midknight2k3> 99.99 WOO
11.52.58 #       <midknight2k3> 100.00!!!
11.53.00 #       <midknight2k3> now it's "completing"
11.53.04 #       <midknight2k3> COME ON DUMB THING
11.53.06 #       <midknight2k3> 54%
11.53.08 #       <midknight2k3> 61%
11.53.10 #       <midknight2k3> 72%
11.53.13 #       <pfavr> lol
11.53.18 #       <midknight2k3> 83%
11.53.22 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11.53.22 #       * midknight2k3 is on the edge
11.53.28 #       <midknight2k3> woo 100.00
11.53.36 #       <midknight2k3> "completing" still
11.53.49 #       <pfavr> (I'm witnessing a crime)
11.53.50 #       <midknight2k3> "COMPLETE"
11.53.52 #       <midknight2k3> WOOHOO
11.53.56 #       <midknight2k3> uh
11.53.57 #       <midknight2k3> erm
11.54.00 #       <midknight2k3> i was lying
11.54.09 #       <midknight2k3> i am not downloading anything
11.54.26 #       <pfavr> (please turn yourself in - so I don't have to)
11.54.27 #       <midknight2k3> burn, BURN, BURN!!
11.54.35 #       <midknight2k3> turn me in, for what?
11.54.51 #       <midknight2k3> tTM
11.54.55 #       <midknight2k3> the Time Machine
11.54.56 #       <midknight2k3> its on tv
11.54.59 #       <midknight2k3> burn
11.55.00 #       <midknight2k3> now
11.55.01 #       <midknight2k3> hurry
11.55.20 #       <midknight2k3> 16% burning
11.55.25 #       <midknight2k3> GOD IM SICK OF THESE PERCENTS
11.55.32 #       <midknight2k3> 24%
11.55.43 #       <pfavr> (me too)
11.55.47 #       <midknight2k3> 32%
11.55.58 #       <midknight2k3> 40%
11.56.09 #       <midknight2k3> 48%
11.56.21 #       <midknight2k3> 56%
11.56.36 #       <midknight2k3> 68%
11.57.03 #       <midknight2k3> 90%
11.57.04 #       <midknight2k3> yay
11.57.10 #       <midknight2k3> i'm minutes away from flight nirvana
11.57.16 #       <midknight2k3> BURNT
11.57.19 #       <midknight2k3> ok now
11.57.42 #       <pfavr> midknight2k3: you're a bit-junkie
11.57.46 #       <midknight2k3> *pops in dvd-rom drive*
11.57.56 #       <midknight2k3> i'll enjoy this
11.57.59 #       <midknight2k3> and, load.
11.58.12 #       <midknight2k3> WOOHOO
11.58.19 #       <midknight2k3> MSFS2004 initializing some crao
11.58.21 #       <midknight2k3> crap*
11.58.50 #       <midknight2k3> it works
11.58.58 #       <midknight2k3> but i better not need cd2, 3, or 4
11.59.21 #       <midknight2k3> INSTALL DIRECTX ALREADY
11.59.37 #       <midknight2k3> bit junkies, unite!
12.00.04 #       <midknight2k3> dammmn
12.00.06 #       <midknight2k3> 2.8GB
12.00.15 #       <midknight2k3> i know right now its gonna need the other cds
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12.00.17 #       <midknight2k3> dammnit
12.00.28 #       <midknight2k3> oh well i can try
12.00.41 #       <midknight2k3> maybe i should just BUY it
12.00.45 #       <midknight2k3> lol
12.00.58 #       <midknight2k3> its like $24.99
12.01.00 #       <midknight2k3> wtf
12.01.06 #       <midknight2k3> i may just if this doesnt work
12.02.21 #       <midknight2k3> OMFG IT JUST MAY NOT NEED CD 2 or 3 or 4
12.03.22 #       <midknight2k3> FUCK 
12.03.25 #       <uski> ?
12.03.42 #       <midknight2k3> "please insert disc 2 into your cd-rom drive"
12.03.51 #       * midknight2k3 grinds teeth
12.04.06 #       <midknight2k3> nite all
12.05.23 #       <midknight2k3> A NOTE TO MICROSOFT: I AM BUYING YOUR GAME THANKS A LOT YOU IDIOT PERVS
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12.09.24 #       <midknight2k3> hm oh well nite all
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12.17.11 #       <uski> LinusN: hi 
12.17.29 #       <uski> did you read the logs ?
12.18.00 #       <LinusN> no
12.18.07 #       <uski> we were just talking about a login feature for rockbox
12.18.14 #       <LinusN> huh?
12.18.27 #       <uski> yea, password to open the archos
12.18.38 #       <uski> we thought about many possibilities to achieve this
12.18.44 #       <uski> => hdd protection feature
12.18.48 #       <uski> => storing a password in the RTC
12.18.51 #       <uski> => ...
12.19.01 #       <LinusN> and the reason for this would be...?
12.19.08 #       <uski> many
12.19.18 #       <uski> some ppl want to prevent the cops from browsing their drive ;)
12.19.36 #       <uski> some others want to prevent the brother from playing with the archos
12.19.37 #       <uski> and so on
12.20.09 #       <LinusN> so , a password combined with data encryption?
12.20.24 #       <uski> well, i am not sure that data encryption is interesting
12.20.33 #       <uski> in fact, the HDD lock is extremely interesting
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12.20.41 #       <uski> because it acts as a login, and it also prevent ppl from reading the data
12.20.44 #       <LinusN> that would be the only way of protecting the data
12.20.54 #       <uski> the main problem with archoses is that we only have 7 or so keys that can be used to enter a password
12.20.59 #       <uski> so the passphrase would be very weak
12.21.05 #       <LinusN> indeed
12.21.17 #       <uski> that's why i suggested using the hdd lock feature
12.21.35 #       <LinusN> the problem with that is the USB access
12.21.55 #       <uski> yea but we want to prevent ppl from reading data with USB, too
12.22.00 #       <uski> so it is the only way to do it
12.22.15 #       <uski> we could start the archos, unlock tmeporarily the drive for USB transfer, then relock it
12.22.23 #       <LinusN> it means that you must use the rockbox boot loader
12.22.26 #       <uski> but i thought there is a problem: only flashed archoses will work
12.22.42 #       <uski> because the archos firmware will display some error
12.22.46 #       <LinusN> yup
12.23.03 #       <uski> data encryption would be trickier to implement
12.23.08 #       <LinusN> indeed
12.23.17 #       <uski> i suggested using AES, because it is light and appropriate for embedded devices, and also very strong
12.23.24 #       <uski> but... only with a strong key
12.23.33 #       <uski> and we have no way of typing a strong key
12.23.50 #       <uski> so, when i said this, they told me "it is just to prevent ppl from reading our data, we don't want to protect from the NSA"
12.24.17 #       <uski> but the main problem is that, as the mp3 files can be read via USB, and as the key will be weak, ppl can very easily brute force the data
12.24.30 #       <pfavr> (Well, I do;-) Rockbox should be in the next 007 movie
12.24.32 #       <LinusN> yup
12.24.36 #       <uski> pfavr: :)
12.24.52 #       <uski> i think that, anyway, there should be some password protection
12.24.56 #       <uski> a lot of people seems to want that
12.25.12 #       <LinusN> then let them implement it :-)
12.25.21 #       <uski> (even if i don't like using a stupid protection that can be bypassed in minutes)
12.25.34 #       <uski> it should be easy, i spot a place to do this check
12.26.00 #       <uski> in app_main
12.26.07 #       <uski> between init and browse_dir
12.26.41 #       <uski> the only thing i don't know how to do is making the login screen and reading the keypresses
12.28.50 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure i like adding that functionality, especially if it uses the HD lock feature
12.29.02 #       <uski> we are not forced to use this
12.29.10 #       <uski> we could store the password in the RTC ram
12.29.15 #       <uski> or even on the hard drive (......)
12.29.47 #       <uski> a key = 3 bits (8 possibilities max)
12.29.50 #       <pfavr> of course it needs to be optional - unless you enable it you will not see the login screen - maybe even a feature to remove the feature (so it cannot be enabled)
12.30.03 #       <uski> we could use like 32 bits so we'll have max 10 keys
12.30.07 #       <uski> which is enough for a small protection
12.30.17 #       <LinusN> what if the RTC goes blank?
12.30.25 #       <uski> LinusN: then, no password
12.30.32 #       <uski> like in computers
12.30.35 #       <uski> the BIOS password
12.30.38 #       <LinusN> so removing the batteries will unlock the drive?
12.30.45 #       <uski> there is not backup ?
12.30.49 #       <uski> erm
12.30.56 #       <uski> (stupid archos engineers)
12.31.23 #       <uski> the only option is then to store it on the harddrive..
12.31.31 #       <uski> or eprhaps on the flash memory
12.31.38 #       <uski> but only flashable archoses will have this feature
12.31.50 #       <uski> (mine won't, :(((
12.35.18 #       <uski> i think that storing the password in the flash is the best compromise
12.35.24 #       <LinusN> is there anyone here that can reproduce the ATA optimization bug?
12.35.30 #       <uski> i'll ask [IDC]Dragon to see what he thinks of it
12.35.35 #       <uski> hmmm not sure
12.35.38 #       <uski> if you want i can try
12.35.48 #       <uski> does it corrupt data ?
12.35.54 #       <uski> if no, i can load a buggy firmware
12.36.32 #       <LinusN> yes, it corrupts your hard drive
12.36.43 #       <uski> erm, in this case i can't try, sorry
12.37.14 #       <pfavr> My problem: only have usb1 on my computer - so it takes too long to restore the drive
12.37.33 #       <pfavr> Maybe I should spend some on an usb2.0 pcmcia thing
12.41.34 #       <LinusN> definitely worth it imho
12.42.09 #       <pfavr> I would be a better beta-tester then
12.42.31 #       <pfavr> My main computers have only USB1.1 and no pcmcia/pci slots
12.42.41 #       <pfavr> it is the f@mily net PC
12.43.32 #       <pfavr> and my laptop has only 1 pcmcia slot... which is normally occupied by a wireless adapter
12.45.08 #       <pfavr> need a wireless -> usb2.0 thing ;-)
12.48.54 #       <uski> i have an usb2.0 pci card
12.49.08 #       <uski> but i "only" reach 60mb/sec
12.49.15 #       <LinusN> no internal minipci slot?
12.49.51 #       <pfavr> LinusN: no slots at all
12.50.29 #       <pfavr> I have a larger workstation in DK - guess I'll put in a new mb in that one later
12.52.14 #       <pfavr> (or buy an usb1.1 to usb2.0 converter;-)
12.55.11 #       <uski> (impossible)
12.55.59 #       <pfavr> uski: smiley!
12.56.05 #       <uski> ;)
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14.36.09 #       <uski> wb pfavr
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14.39.46 #       <dwihno> Anyone knows the side effects of using realloc? :)
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15.57.22 #       <WeeD0pE> heey
15.58.00 #       <pfavr> hey
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15.59.16 #       <WeeD0pE> hwo u doing :)
16.01.15 #       <pfavr> fine thanks tries to get some work done
16.01.25 #       <pfavr> and you?
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16.17.13 #       <LiteraryHigh> hello all
16.18.11 #       <LiteraryHigh> anyone know if the Jukebox 20 can support larger drives?
16.18.28 #       <LiteraryHigh> wasnt sure if the firmware supports larger thjan 20GB
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16.19.06 #       <LiteraryHigh> hi nibbler
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16.23.53 #       <dwihno> LiteraryHigh: It's possible to replace the hard disk.
16.24.12 #       <LiteraryHigh> doesnt matter the size?
16.24.19 #       <LiteraryHigh> i upgraded my old one from 6 to 20
16.24.30 #       <LiteraryHigh> but it died and now i have a 20 that i want to make 40
16.24.32 #       <dwihno> Well, you can upgrade it to whatever size you fancy
16.24.42 #       <LiteraryHigh> nice
16.25.19 #       <LiteraryHigh> thanks much, didnt want to buy the drive before i checked
16.25.36 #       <dwihno> If you want to, you can check the mailing list for recommendations
16.26.24 #       <LiteraryHigh> it will send me a default thing? or i have to wait for the next issue?
16.26.33 #       <LiteraryHigh> oh there's an archive!
16.26.34 #       <LiteraryHigh> nevermind
16.27.52 #       <LiteraryHigh> also is there any update if your model has the unkown serial?
16.27.56 #       <WeeD0pE> is it possible to deliver my mic premap with engery out of my jukebox 20 rec. ?
16.29.24 #       <dwihno> WeeD0pE: It's probably better to power the preamp with stand-alone batteries. (I thought most preamps came with batteries???)
16.29.33 #       <dwihno> (at least the portables')
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16.51.13 #       <WeeD0pE> yes
16.51.58 #       <WeeD0pE> i thought about a jukebox modification which provides a 1.6v on the line in plug
16.52.14 #       <WeeD0pE> like thoese mic ins of md recorders
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17.03.08 #       <WeeD0pE> hmm
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17.51.21 #       <Cheek> rock her box yo
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18.41.16 #       <uski> WeeD0pE: how much power does your preamp use ?
18.41.28 #       <uski> you could "remap" the stereo line in pins like this:
18.41.29 #       <uski> - ground
18.41.46 #       <uski> - power (PIN <= RESISTOR !!! <= POWER)
18.41.50 #       <uski> - signal
18.41.56 #       <uski> this way you'll have a mono signal
18.42.13 #       <uski> also, never connect the power directly, connect it via a resistor (like 1k)
18.42.32 #       <uski> or, better
18.42.37 #       <uski> put the power in some line
18.42.47 #       <uski> and add a capacitor between this line and the ADC input
18.42.54 #       <uski> see what i mean ?
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19.03.39 #       <Dogger> hi does anyone know much about fat.c ?
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19.25.18 #       <WeeD0pE> uski
19.25.55 #       <WeeD0pE> uski: it requires a 6v batterie, its a A3 adapter by soundman.de
19.26.17 #       <WeeD0pE> but the plug in power of mics is only 1.6gv
19.26.21 #       <uski> you will not be able to get 6V directly from the archos
19.26.22 #       <WeeD0pE> 1.6v
19.26.34 #       <uski> k
19.26.46 #       <WeeD0pE> i know
19.26.51 #       <uski> so perhaps you'll be able to use something like a LM317 to create your 1.6v
19.27.03 #       <WeeD0pE> lm317 ?
19.27.16 #       <WeeD0pE> ive hear d1.6v is only up to 96db
19.27.19 #       <uski> it's an electronic adjustable output regulator
19.27.24 #       <uski> aah ok
19.27.31 #       <uski> i though you needed 1.6v for powering the mic
19.27.35 #       <WeeD0pE> yes
19.27.53 #       <WeeD0pE> like a regular md recorder
19.27.59 #       <WeeD0pE> it would help me .)
19.28.05 #       <uski> then use a lm317
19.28.08 #       <WeeD0pE> the a3 adapter is really cool
19.28.18 #       <WeeD0pE> up to 145db
19.28.58 #       <WeeD0pE> u have some more infos on lm317?
19.30.16 #       <uski> hmmm
19.30.20 #       <uski> do you have some electronic background ?
19.30.51 #       <WeeD0pE> some friends have
19.31.05 #       <uski> then i think they know what a lm317 is
19.31.06 #       <WeeD0pE> but i see
19.31.06 #       <WeeD0pE> http://www.mitedu.freeserve.co.uk/Circuits/Power/lm317.htm
19.31.30 #       <uski> ya
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19.32.02 #       <WeeD0pE> but u know
19.32.37 #       <WeeD0pE> i just want that the line in port has 1.6v
19.32.44 #       <WeeD0pE> like a md mic in 
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19.33.22 #       <uski> a simplier solution is to add a zener diode as a voltage regulator
19.33.47 #       <WeeD0pE> a zener diode ?
19.34.17 #       <WeeD0pE> but what do you hvae
19.34.25 #       <WeeD0pE> have
19.34.27 #       <WeeD0pE> you built a tin ybox with a lm317 ?
19.34.44 #       <uski> well, you have 2 solutions
19.34.53 #       <uski> 1) build a small regulator with a lm317, and put it in the archos
19.35.02 #       <uski> 2) build a small regulator with a zener diode and a resistance
19.35.07 #       <uski> but it is not trivial
19.35.22 #       <uski> you will have to open your archos, find the power, do the mod (and correctly!), and so on
19.35.30 #       <uski> you need an electronics background and good soldering skills
19.36.05 #       <WeeD0pE> why is there no mod manual ? :)
19.36.11 #       <uski> :)
19.36.23 #       <uski> archos = low cost consumer device
19.36.27 #       <uski> = not intended to be modded
19.36.32 #       <WeeD0pE> i mean
19.36.42 #       <WeeD0pE> in scene mod manuals :)
19.36.49 #       <WeeD0pE> liek how to upgrade you hd
19.36.52 #       <WeeD0pE> and so on
19.36.53 #       <WeeD0pE> :)
19.36.54 #       <uski> ah
19.37.01 #       <uski> there are some mod manuals then
19.37.07 #       <uski> look on rockbox website
19.37.08 #       <WeeD0pE> of course
19.37.17 #       <WeeD0pE> well we have rockbox here
19.37.26 #       <WeeD0pE> this software is superb
19.37.56 #       <WeeD0pE> yes but there is voltage mod 
19.38.00 #       <WeeD0pE> this woudl be really cool
19.38.08 #       <uski> no there isn't
19.38.12 #       <uski> you'll have to do it by yourself
19.38.18 #       <WeeD0pE> just need a line in mod "plug in" power mod :)
19.38.37 #       <uski> yea
19.38.41 #       <uski> do it then :)
19.40.06 #       <WeeD0pE> hehe
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21.01.28 #       <midknight2k3> pfavr
21.01.37 #       <midknight2k3> it's encryption boy
21.01.47 #       <uski> lol
21.07.08 #       <pfavr> hi
21.07.43 #       <pfavr> (I'm known to make people laugh)
21.07.50 #       <pfavr> (about me)
21.08.06 #       <pfavr> (sniff)
21.08.27 #       <pfavr> (and I thought you were friends!)
21.08.31 #       <pfavr> (sniff)
21.10.23 #       <uski> LOL
21.10.26 #       <uski> MOOHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA
21.10.33 #       <uski> r o f l
21.10.57 #       <pfavr> He that took you long!
21.11.19 #       <uski> i was so laughing that i couldn't type anything on my keyboard until now
21.11.26 #       <pfavr> ok:-)
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21.12.48 #       <pfavr> uski: did you do the login screen?
21.13.25 #       <midknight2k3> i can d a login screen
21.13.28 #       <midknight2k3> i'm good with UI
21.14.23 #       <uski> pfavr: no, i didn't find the time
21.14.28 #       <midknight2k3> i can find time
21.14.29 #       <uski> midknight2k3: where would you implement this ?
21.14.31 #       <midknight2k3> its always around out
21.14.43 #       <uski> yea, i can see the time, but i can't grab it ;)
21.14.44 #       <midknight2k3> hmm
21.14.48 #       <midknight2k3> screens.c?
21.14.56 #       <pfavr> I asked from interest not because I wanted to push it
21.15.03 #       <midknight2k3> void login_screen(void)
21.15.26 #       <pfavr> It should be something you turn on in system
21.15.43 #       <midknight2k3> the screen, in screens
21.16.01 #       <midknight2k3> then we just pass the real pass to it and compare the 2
21.16.10 #       <pfavr> maybe even with a configurable message, like owner's name, address etc
21.16.15 #       <uski> is there already a login_screen func ??!!
21.16.17 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
21.16.22 #       <midknight2k3> uski, no
21.16.27 #       <uski> aah ok :))
21.16.31 #       <midknight2k3> lol
21.16.40 #       <uski> i was about to have an heart attack
21.16.47 #       <midknight2k3> TASTY
21.16.56 #       <pfavr> (I'm not laughing - I know how bad it feels when somebody laughs at you)
21.17.06 #       <midknight2k3> uh
21.17.10 #       <pfavr> He
21.17.13 #       <midknight2k3> am i missing something here?
21.17.22 #       <pfavr> Just kidding
21.17.31 #       * uski is laughing at pfavr
21.19.55 #       <pfavr> (now I feel bad)
21.20.06 #       <midknight2k3> HA
21.20.07 #       <midknight2k3> HA HA
21.20.40 #       <pfavr> btw any of you done some video/audio conferencing (not using rockbox but e.g. linux)?
21.20.47 #       <midknight2k3> no
21.21.59 #       <pfavr> I was thinking about trying this one: http://www.crium.univ-metz.fr/reseau/mbone/mainuse.html
21.22.18 #       <midknight2k3> ha
21.22.23 #       <midknight2k3> wow
21.22.27 #       <midknight2k3> unreal 2 uses .ogg files
21.22.28 #       <midknight2k3> ha
21.22.31 #       <midknight2k3> talk about advanced
21.22.54 #       <midknight2k3> bbs
21.45.33 #       <GoatBoy> unreal 2 has a lot of really interesting stuff under the hood
21.45.38 #       <GoatBoy> for...  such a mediocre game heh
21.48.03 #       <midknight2k3> mediokre
21.49.06 #       <GoatBoy> ?
21.52.13 #       <midknight2k3> he
21.52.26 #       <midknight2k3> nm
21.53.02 #       <midknight2k3> OMg
21.53.14 #       <midknight2k3> oh nm
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21.54.48 #       <midknight2k3> WAKE
21.56.01 #       <wake|home> hello
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22.23.54 #       * pfavr is away: ZZZZzzzz....
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22.50.02 #       <Dogger> anyone here know about fat/ata stuff in rockbox?
22.50.54 #       * midknight2k3 raises hand reluctantly
22.51.18 #       <Dogger> lol k,
22.51.21 #       <Dogger> how much about it?
22.52.04 #       <Dogger> looks like it only supports fat32 is that right?
22.52.10 #       <midknight2k3> dunno
22.52.27 #       <scott666> the archos firmware requires a fat32 partition to boot
22.52.38 #       <midknight2k3> OOH WHAT A GENIUS
22.52.44 #       <scott666> so non-flashed rockbox does too
22.53.03 #       <midknight2k3> all hail scott666, wielder of great info
22.53.09 #       <scott666> lol
22.56.24 #       <Dogger> scott666: yes, but I need fat12 :)
22.56.52 #       <midknight2k3> I KNOW ABOUT FAT12
22.56.56 #       <Dogger> I want to port existing fat code to avos
22.57.01 #       <Dogger> I thought rockbox would do,
22.57.10 #       <Dogger> but it doesnt seem to have the support I need
22.57.25 #       <scott666> why fat12?
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22.57.30 #       <midknight2k3> fine dont call on me
22.57.31 #       <midknight2k3> hi linus
22.57.34 #       <Dogger> hi LinusN
22.57.37 #       <LinusN> hi
22.57.42 #       <midknight2k3> did you see the VU meter update?
22.57.47 #       <Dogger> do you know about the fat stuff in rockbox?
22.57.48 #       <LinusN> nope
22.57.57 #       <midknight2k3> works good
22.58.03 #       <midknight2k3> (i made the icons myself)
22.58.07 #       <midknight2k3> (you told me how)
22.58.08 #       <midknight2k3> :0
22.58.10 #       <midknight2k3> :)
22.58.27 #       <midknight2k3> OH i had a question about disk access
22.58.49 #       <midknight2k3> it used to be when you were clicking up and down through the tree and the disk was on it'd stay on, but you took that feature away?
22.59.07 #       <LinusN> no we didn't
22.59.14 #       <midknight2k3> it's not working anymoer
22.59.25 #       <LinusN> really?
22.59.28 #       <midknight2k3> anymoer* sorry
22.59.31 #       <midknight2k3> grr
22.59.33 #       <midknight2k3> anymore**
22.59.36 #       <midknight2k3> not for me
22.59.42 #       <midknight2k3> my favorite feature is gone
22.59.50 #       <LinusN> whatäs your spindown setting then?
22.59.57 #       <midknight2k3> 5s
23.00.09 #       <LinusN> so, after 5s it spins down
23.00.24 #       <midknight2k3> no, but when you were scrolling in the tree it was ALWAYS spinning
23.00.37 #       <LinusN> yeah, back in 1.0
23.00.42 #       <midknight2k3> if you held up it'd stay on until 5 seconds after you released it
23.00.56 #       <midknight2k3> it used to do that just days ago
23.01.04 #       <midknight2k3> someone broke it! lol
23.02.43 #       <LinusN> not if you scroll up and down in the same dir
23.02.58 #       <midknight2k3> no, thats what I mean
23.03.01 #       <LinusN> you have to perform a disk access to refresh the idle timer
23.03.18 #       <midknight2k3> the idle timer was inactive as long as you were scrolling
23.03.59 #       <LinusN> you have been dreaming
23.04.04 #       <midknight2k3> i have not!
23.04.14 #       <midknight2k3> it used to do that, i swear it
23.04.43 #       <midknight2k3> you could click up and down for as long as you wanted, and after [x] seconds of not clicking it'd spin down
23.06.14 #       <LinusN> if it worked that way, it was a bug
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23.07.06 #       <LinusN> however, it sure seems as if the disk timer isn't working as expected
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23.07.42 #       <midknight2k3> LinusN, if it indeed never existed it should at least be an option
23.07.52 #       <midknight2k3> "disk spinning while browsing" under "file view"
23.08.51 #       <LinusN> but that's the whole point with the disk timeout
23.09.03 #       <LinusN> set it to 60s if it bothers you
23.09.23 #       <midknight2k3> no
23.09.32 #       <midknight2k3> but then it takes 60s to spin down when you dont want it to
23.09.53 #       <midknight2k3> the whole point is that if you're browsing around you don't want it to spin down, you're obviously going to play something
23.09.59 #       <midknight2k3> and if you don't, the timer kicks in
23.10.15 #       <LinusN> so set it to 15s
23.10.38 #       <LinusN> 15s would be enough for you to look through the dir
23.10.54 #       <midknight2k3> sigh
23.11.07 #       <midknight2k3> what if it's not?
23.11.14 #       <LinusN> 20? 30?
23.11.28 #       <midknight2k3> it's a lot smarter to keep it going if you're browsing than to keep changing the timeout every time you enter a dir
23.11.37 #       <LinusN> define "browsing"
23.11.45 #       <midknight2k3> clicking around
23.12.00 #       <LinusN> in the browser?
23.12.03 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
23.12.19 #       <LinusN> i'll think about it
23.12.20 #       <midknight2k3> just think about it
23.12.22 #       <midknight2k3> LOL yeah
23.12.50 #       <midknight2k3> i should code it and hand it to you for a demonstration
23.16.28 #       <midknight2k3> oh, and one more question
23.16.34 #       <midknight2k3> void lcd_blit (unsigned char* p_data, int x, int y, int width, int height, int stride)
23.16.49 #       <midknight2k3> what would p-data mean, and what would stride be?
23.16.54 #       <midknight2k3> is this blitting bitmap files?
23.19.21 #       <LinusN> bitmaps, yes
23.20.14 #       <midknight2k3> so p_data could be   rockbox112x37  ?
23.20.17 #       <midknight2k3> or whatever it's called
23.20.23 #       <midknight2k3> rockbox_112x37
23.22.21 #       <LinusN> well, the bitmap would have to be in the correct format
23.22.33 #       <LinusN> and i don't remember how it should look like
23.22.49 #       <midknight2k3> hmm, we should have   lcd_blitline   and   lcd_blitpixel
23.24.50 #       <LinusN> blitpixel?
23.25.08 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
23.25.12 #       <midknight2k3> lol
23.25.27 #       <midknight2k3> lcd_blitpixel(int x, int y, unsigned char Darkness)
23.25.39 #       <LinusN> sigh
23.26.30 #       <midknight2k3> sorry
23.36.09 #       <LinusN> midknight2k3: my apologies, you were right about the disk spindown in the browser
23.36.20 #       <midknight2k3> woohoo!
23.36.32 #       <midknight2k3> is it going to be fixed?
23.36.36 #       <LinusN> the disk spindown code seems broken
23.36.44 #       <LinusN> i don't know why
23.37.46 #       * midknight2k3 points at Jörg
23.39.25 #       <LinusN> i don't think it's his fault
23.40.52 #       * midknight2k3 points the other way at Bagder
23.47.09 #       <midknight2k3> uh oh
23.47.12 #       <midknight2k3> was it my clock code
23.47.14 #       <midknight2k3> is it faulty
23.47.16 #       <midknight2k3> IS IT DYING?
23.47.42 #       <midknight2k3> im gonna update that
23.49.46 #       * LinusN is firing up the debugger
23.49.54 #       <midknight2k3> HAHAHA
23.50.01 #       <midknight2k3> debug the VU code too
23.50.16 #       <LinusN> why? wasn't that all shiny and new?
23.50.31 #       <midknight2k3> theres an update
23.50.32 #       <midknight2k3> it rocks
23.50.56 #       <midknight2k3> oh my clock code needs updating - you moved the bool exit / done = false to outside of the plugin loop
23.51.03 #       <midknight2k3> so holp or options is accessible only once
23.51.07 #       <midknight2k3> help, sorry