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01.45.51 #       <midknight2k3> MaDoYaN
01.46.37 #       <MaDoYaN> hello
01.47.00 #       <midknight2k3> hi
01.47.19 #       <MaDoYaN> anybody can help me with setting up slackware
01.47.25 #       <MaDoYaN> i know i am not in the righ channel
01.47.30 #       <MaDoYaN> but ....
01.47.33 #       <midknight2k3> uhh
01.47.34 #       <midknight2k3> lol
01.47.59 #       <midknight2k3> try #slackware
01.48.12 #       <MaDoYaN> ?
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01.48.17 #       <MaDoYaN> lol
01.48.24 #       <midknight2k3> go to #slackware
01.48.24 #       <MaDoYaN> tried,, but didint work out
01.48.26 #       <MaDoYaN> lool
01.48.32 #       <diddystar5> ???
01.48.35 #       <midknight2k3> uh, /join #slackware
01.48.38 #       <diddystar5> whats so funny
01.48.47 #       <midknight2k3> he wants help setting up slackware
01.48.57 #       <midknight2k3> and i suggesting he visits their channel
01.49.51 #       <diddystar5> i think slakware setup is similar to debian
01.50.01 #       <MaDoYaN> midknight2k3 thanks for ur advice
01.50.03 #       <diddystar5> its harder than most :)
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02.32.31 #       <midknight2k3> bye
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03.12.58 #       <midknight2k3> BLUECHIP
03.13.00 #       <midknight2k3> i mean
03.13.03 #       <midknight2k3> oh, it's you
03.13.40 #       <Bluechip> heyyyyy
03.13.50 #       <Bluechip> sorry, started getting hacked just as I logged on
03.14.11 #       <midknight2k3> ??
03.14.13 #       <midknight2k3> i mean
03.14.15 #       <midknight2k3> ITS ME!!
03.14.32 #       <Bluechip> are you sure, what does the little voice in your head think?
03.14.44 #       <midknight2k3> do you really want to know?
03.14.53 #       <Bluechip> I'd be intrigued
03.15.03 #       <midknight2k3> that means yes or no
03.15.07 #       <Bluechip> yes
03.15.15 #       <midknight2k3> yes yes, or yes no?
03.15.32 #       <Bluechip> lol - is that a Q or is that what it's saying?
03.15.41 #       <midknight2k3> it's asking, hence the question mark
03.15.55 #       <Bluechip> you asking me, or the voice asking you?
03.16.07 #       <midknight2k3> voice asking you to ask me, or you asking all on your own?
03.16.11 #       <Bluechip> hey! maybe all three
03.16.40 #       <midknight2k3> ha bluechip is so funny
03.17.08 #       <Dogger> hey Bluechip
03.17.16 #       <Dogger> got my mas working :)
03.17.18 #       <Bluechip> Hey Dawger
03.17.22 #       <Bluechip> Yoohooooooo
03.17.26 #       <Dogger> made a cool scrolling osciloscope :)
03.17.32 #       <Bluechip> heyyyyyyy
03.17.38 #       <Bluechip> with gif anim? lol
03.17.42 #       <Dogger> lol
03.17.57 #       <Bluechip> they must have taken you ages!
03.18.03 #       <Dogger> the av300 uses 8735.0201 chip
03.18.06 #       <midknight2k3> thay'd take me ajes!
03.18.21 #       <Dogger> same as the recorder afaik
03.18.31 #       <Bluechip> dont think I've seen any 8375 specific docs
03.18.31 #       <Dogger> I need to work out dma before I can play mp3s tho right?
03.18.38 #       <Dogger> oh I got one
03.18.44 #       <midknight2k3> uhh
03.18.46 #       <Dogger> think it was on rockbox docs section
03.18.55 #       <midknight2k3> if you rearrange 8735 it makes 3587
03.18.59 #       <Bluechip> my minnd has just gone completely blank
03.19.05 #       <midknight2k3> and that means its the rockbox one in disguise!
03.19.08 #       <Bluechip> yes, 3587 - LOL
03.19.13 #       <midknight2k3> ??
03.19.26 #       <midknight2k3> are you laughing at me?
03.19.31 #       <Dogger> lol o yeah
03.19.33 #       <Dogger> my fault
03.19.37 #       <Dogger> damn byte swapping
03.19.38 #       <midknight2k3> uhh
03.19.39 #       <Bluechip> lol
03.19.42 #       <midknight2k3> PPL LAFFING AT ME
03.19.45 #       <midknight2k3> STOP
03.19.47 #       <Bluechip> mk spotted it before me
03.19.51 #       <Dogger> grrrrr @ level 9 of sokoban on av300
03.19.51 #       <midknight2k3> really
03.19.53 #       <midknight2k3> i was right?
03.20.04 #       <Bluechip> lucky is cool too
03.20.09 #       <Dogger> law of probabilities means you will be sometime
03.20.24 #       <Bluechip> do we know what VERSION our chips are from a rockbox menu?
03.20.26 #       <midknight2k3> like when i was right about that MDB screen
03.20.29 #       <midknight2k3> but bluechip couldnt face it
03.20.45 #       <Bluechip> (and mk couldn't code it - LOL)
03.20.47 #       <Bluechip> :P
03.20.49 #       <midknight2k3> i could
03.20.51 #       <midknight2k3> I COULD
03.20.55 #       <midknight2k3> i so could
03.21.31 #       <midknight2k3> you didnt like my superbass logo
03.21.33 #       <midknight2k3> thats all
03.26.04 #       <Bluechip> If only I could explain
03.26.12 #       <midknight2k3> can you please
03.26.34 #       <Dogger> ok people
03.26.40 #       <Dogger> please don't laugh at my voice
03.26.46 #       <Dogger> avos.sf.net/osc.avi
03.27.13 #       <midknight2k3> ooh
03.27.46 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip: explain?
03.27.59 #       <Dogger> you see the vid?
03.28.10 #       <Dogger> its listening in the built in mic
03.28.11 #       <midknight2k3> 35%
03.28.19 #       <midknight2k3> really
03.28.21 #       <Bluechip> bwahaaaaaaahaaaaaaa
03.28.23 #       <midknight2k3> did it record or something
03.28.28 #       <midknight2k3> i want to laugh
03.28.29 #       <Bluechip> oh no sorry, wasn't supposed to do that ;)
03.28.31 #       <midknight2k3> DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD
03.28.34 #       <midknight2k3> ill laugh anyways
03.28.38 #       <midknight2k3> HAHAHAHA
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03.28.40 #       * Dogger has a fantastic voice
03.28.41 #       <Bluechip> coooooooooooool :)
03.28.45 #       <Dogger> so psoff :)
03.28.48 #       <Dogger> thanks Bluechip
03.28.56 #       <Dogger> the scrolling is cool... all done in hardware
03.29.00 #       <Dogger> using the osd
03.29.09 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip: explain or no?
03.29.24 #       <midknight2k3> no, im sure its using anything other than the osd
03.29.25 #       * Dogger considers singing on his next video
03.29.30 #       <Bluechip> if only i could, i would
03.29.31 #       <midknight2k3> YEAH
03.29.34 #       <Bluechip> Oh yeeeeeahhhhh
03.29.39 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip: why can't you?
03.30.40 #       <Bluechip> we want a pop-song with sad geek style "we love avos" lyrics
03.30.58 #       <Dogger> ok, will start writing it
03.30.59 #       <midknight2k3> dogger cool is it just me or is the osc just a bit late
03.31.01 #       <midknight2k3> YEAH
03.31.03 #       <midknight2k3> I CAN WRITE IT
03.31.05 #       <Bluechip> anything to make me forget "game cube" to the tune of "go west" by the village people
03.31.09 #       <midknight2k3> :WE LOVE AVOS OH YEAH:
03.31.27 #       <Dogger> midknight2k3: no thats the video. I forgot to resync the audio/video after encoding it
03.31.35 #       <midknight2k3> HA! HA!
03.31.35 #       <Bluechip> love the green scope lines
03.31.40 #       <midknight2k3> lol
03.31.42 #       <Dogger> thanks :)
03.31.47 #       <Dogger> harder to do than you think
03.31.58 #       <midknight2k3> ITS GA--GOOD!
03.32.00 #       <Dogger> so nice having a good osd chip to help
03.32.08 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip nerd
03.32.09 #       <Bluechip> what was the difficulty?
03.32.21 #       <Bluechip> getting the bright spots?
03.32.24 #       <Dogger> scrolling is a bit complex
03.32.28 #       <Bluechip> righty
03.32.34 #       <Dogger> you can scroll by 16 pixels at a time
03.32.43 #       <Dogger> so you have to set the position to do 0-15
03.33.06 #       <Dogger> then when it gets to the end of the buffer you have to jump back to the start where you've already duplicated to
03.33.13 #       <Bluechip> &F
03.33.19 #       <Bluechip> ?
03.33.23 #       <Dogger> its a bit messy but it works really well
03.33.25 #       <midknight2k3> &F indeed
03.33.31 #       <Dogger> correct :)
03.33.47 #       <Dogger> but prolly the more difficult thing was working out what green is in YCbCr !
03.33.55 #       <Dogger> I hate YCbCr
03.33.57 #       <Bluechip> LOL
03.33.59 #       <Dogger> give me rgb any day
03.34.00 #       <Bluechip> fair comment
03.34.10 #       <midknight2k3> why green then
03.34.21 #       <Dogger> because thats osciloscope colour!
03.34.27 #       <midknight2k3> wha
03.34.38 #       <Bluechip> he's not as wrinkly us us yet dude
03.34.52 #       <Bluechip> prolly all LCD in school nowdays
03.35.29 #       <Dogger> lol
03.35.35 #       <Bluechip> did you see the uni course on programming the 3587?
03.35.41 #       <Dogger> prolly never heard of spacewar game either
03.35.43 #       <midknight2k3> 8357 you mean
03.35.48 #       <Dogger> really? wow
03.35.50 #       <Bluechip> or corewars
03.35.51 #       <midknight2k3> i have space invaders on my watch!
03.35.57 #       <Bluechip> oh yes!
03.36.01 #       <midknight2k3> so yes
03.36.03 #       <midknight2k3> space war
03.36.04 #       <midknight2k3> whatever
03.36.05 #       <Dogger> I still need to get some books on arm coding and more on c coding
03.36.14 #       <Bluechip> why arm?
03.36.15 #       <Dogger> I only started learning c 2 weeks ago
03.36.15 #       <midknight2k3> code me tetris dogger PLEASE
03.36.17 #       <midknight2k3> in assembly
03.36.24 #       <Dogger> we have tetris on av300
03.36.30 #       <midknight2k3> port it to my watch
03.36.31 #       <midknight2k3> plspls
03.36.32 #       <Dogger> arm7 core on av300
03.36.37 #       <Bluechip> righty
03.36.38 #       <Dogger> I love arm assemly
03.36.48 #       <midknight2k3> cmon
03.37.06 #       <Bluechip> ARM is one of the few I've not played with before - but I know MIPS, so it wouldn't be too hard I guess
03.37.19 #       <midknight2k3> assembly
03.37.23 #       <Dogger> yeah it's very similar to mips
03.37.28 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip do you know assembly
03.37.28 #       <Dogger> not as many regs though,
03.37.32 #       <Dogger> but same sort of stuff
03.37.39 #       <Dogger> far better than intel
03.37.44 #       <Dogger> but that goes without saying
03.37.55 #       <Bluechip> z80 is better than 8086
03.38.05 #       <Bluechip> 6052 is close
03.38.13 #       <midknight2k3> cmon!!
03.38.14 #       <Bluechip> sorry, have x86
03.38.16 #       <midknight2k3> anyone listening
03.38.19 #       <Bluechip> hate
03.38.19 #       <Dogger> yeah I prefer z80 to 8086
03.38.26 #       <Dogger> havent tried 6052 tho
03.38.44 #       <Bluechip> 6502 is a great embedded core
03.38.56 #       <Bluechip> and cheap too
03.38.59 #       <Dogger> x86 is just hrm lets start with a bad designed instruction set, then add tons of prefixes, bolt on some more badly designed crap,
03.39.02 #       <Dogger> cool,
03.39.10 #       <midknight2k3> dogger: is the joystick on the av3xx "clickable"?
03.39.14 #       <Dogger> yes
03.39.21 #       <Dogger> and you also have 2 speeds per direction
03.39.25 #       <Dogger> eg up slow, and up fast
03.39.28 #       <midknight2k3> ooh really
03.39.33 #       <Dogger> but we don't have diagonals *sob*
03.39.33 #       <midknight2k3> if you push it up more it goes faster?
03.39.34 #       <Dogger> dammit
03.39.37 #       <Dogger> yep
03.39.41 #       <midknight2k3> hmm neat
03.39.45 #       <Dogger> diagonals are sorely missed
03.39.50 #       <Bluechip> diagonal impossible?
03.39.57 #       <Dogger> I'm building a games controller to plug into serial port though :)
03.39.58 #       <midknight2k3> case JOYSTICK_UP_FAST:
03.40.00 #       <midknight2k3> i cant wait
03.40.03 #       <Dogger> yep in hardware
03.40.08 #       <Dogger> impossible in hardware
03.40.46 #       <Bluechip> you could put a 555 in for diagonals?
03.40.56 #       <midknight2k3> 0xFFFFFFF
03.41.04 #       <Bluechip> in joypad, that is
03.41.15 #       <Dogger> oh sure... joysticks not a problem
03.41.28 #       <Dogger> I'll prolly just rip apart a handspring visor pda keyboard
03.41.34 #       <Dogger> and put it in a game controller
03.41.40 #       <Bluechip> megadrive pad?
03.41.44 #       <Dogger> you can press tons of keys at same time on that
03.41.49 #       <Dogger> could do,
03.41.57 #       <Dogger> I got a n64 one here cheap,
03.42.06 #       <Dogger> want something small and portable
03.42.09 #       <Bluechip> n64 is serial rather than PTM
03.42.28 #       <Bluechip> ...which would probably make is easier
03.42.29 #       <Dogger> yeah but I'll prolly gut it anyway and use the visor circuit
03.42.40 #       <Dogger> just use the buttons and case
03.43.07 #       <Dogger> I'm no electronics expert so dont want to go trying to interface different serial, clock, power etc stuff
03.43.48 #       <Bluechip> might get lucky
03.43.56 #       <Dogger> perhaps,
03.44.14 #       <Dogger> has anyone tried games controllers with previous models serial?
03.44.16 #       <Bluechip> what do you have on the AV end?
03.44.25 #       <Bluechip> not that I know of
03.44.27 #       <Dogger> 3.3v gnd, rx, tx
03.44.42 #       <Dogger> the handspring visor is cool cos it needs no power
03.44.45 #       <Dogger> just those 3 lines
03.45.14 #       <Dogger> could prolly use a pic from scratch though
03.45.18 #       <Dogger> but not done any pic stuff
03.45.43 #       <Bluechip> i would be surprised if you could not simply connect your favourite console stick
03.45.52 #       <Bluechip> looking for specs now
03.45.53 #       <midknight2k3> console stick ha
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03.46.24 #       <midknight2k3> dishtoys
03.46.26 #       <Bluechip> they all do if you dont have the tissues ready
03.46.27 #       <midknight2k3> toys ooh
03.47.05 #       <Dogger> ok, well if there is something I can use off the shelf that would be great
03.47.20 #       <Dogger> obviously I can set baud rate, stop bit, parity, data size etc on archos
03.47.28 #       <Bluechip> is the serial tied to a baud etc?
03.47.38 #       <Dogger> defaults to 115200
03.47.44 #       <Bluechip> so it's 232?
03.47.47 #       <Dishtoys> Hey Guys
03.47.48 #       <Dogger> but settable to any division of the cpu clock
03.47.53 #       <Bluechip> no, 232 is 15V
03.47.53 #       <Dishtoys> How is everyone?
03.47.58 #       <Bluechip> well thanks
03.48.06 #       <Dogger> hi Dishtoys
03.48.37 #       <Dishtoys> Hello,
03.48.49 #       <Dishtoys> I had a question...didn't know if the Rockbox boys could help me...
03.49.06 #       <Dishtoys> I'm looking for information on the Alpine AI-NET bus....
03.49.08 #       <Bluechip> http://home.t-online.de/home/stephan.hans/n64.htm#Stuff about the N64 controller
03.49.32 #       <Bluechip> Dish: think you need to speak to IDC on that
03.49.41 #       <Bluechip> [IDC}Dragon that is
03.49.48 #       <Dishtoys> Is he on often?
03.49.57 #       <Dishtoys> Does anyone have an email address for him?
03.50.31 #       <Bluechip> you can easily contact him thru the rockbax mailing list
03.51.07 #       <Dishtoys> Okay.
03.51.24 #       <Bluechip> dogger: it says 3.6V, but is 3.3 within tolerance?
03.51.49 #       <Dogger> what says 3.6v?
03.51.56 #       <Bluechip> that link
03.53.09 #       <Dogger> ah ok,
03.53.20 #       <Dogger> looking,
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04.12.55 #       <midknight2k3> wb
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04.30.23 #       <midknight2k3> hi Bluechip
04.35.05 #       <Bluechip> hollo
04.35.38 #       <midknight2k3> Bluechip nice
04.40.22 #       <Bluechip> lol - you wouldn't say that if you knew what i was doing
04.40.55 #       <midknight2k3> uh ... *runs away*
04.42.34 #       <Bluechip> subliminal programming techniques
04.42.44 #       <midknight2k3> ...
04.53.09 #       <Bluechip> running out of resources - byeeeeeeee
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05.34.22 #       <midknight2k3> hi [GoE]BENtheTEN
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06.05.36 #       <midknight2k3> nite
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10.49.09 #       <c0utta> hey linus
10.53.53 #       <LinusN> yo
10.55.21 #       <webmind> oi
10.58.28 #       <c0utta> linus, if i'm going to add a new file to rockbox, do i still put in the diff ?
10.59.54 #       <LinusN> please do
11.00.21 #       <c0utta> i diff it against /dev/null ?
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11.21.20 #       <LinusN> you should be able to do cvs add 'file' and then do cvs "diff -N -u"
11.22.13 #       <c0utta> i don't really understand cvs
11.22.27 #       <c0utta> when i do cvs diff it says "i don't know anything about action.h"
11.22.44 #       <c0utta> i assume it's the cvs on sourceforge, not my copy of cvs
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11.27.00 #       <LinusN> c0utta: it said so after you added the file?
11.27.19 #       <c0utta> yes
11.27.42 #       <c0utta> anyway, i've done it against /dev/null and it's worked
11.28.05 #       <c0utta> i'm ready to submit my first patch for review
11.28.39 #       <c0utta> you said you wanted large changes submitted as small patches, correct Linus ?
11.36.24 #       <LinusN> yup
11.37.14 #       <c0utta> my first patch just sets up for other patches - i want tmake sure i don't break anything...
11.38.15 #       <c0utta> do u have time to check it Linus ?
11.39.56 #       <c0utta> i know you're busy with work and moving house
11.41.49 #       <LinusN> what does it do?
11.42.12 #       <c0utta> adds helper functions to menu.c
11.42.19 #       <c0utta> makes screen.c more modular
11.42.41 #       <c0utta> adjusts wps.c and tree.c for f2/f3 button presses
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11.45.41 #       <LinusN> send it to me (linus at haxx . se)
11.45.56 #       <LinusN> ah, saw it on sf now
11.46.07 #       <c0utta> yes, just loaded it up
11.46.14 #       <c0utta> can email too if you wish
11.46.53 #       <LinusN> i like the way you responded to your own patch :-)
11.47.15 #       <c0utta> i must have had too much beer ?
11.51.00 #       <LinusN> probably
11.51.16 #       <LinusN> i see thay you have added functions for manipulating menus on the fly
11.51.35 #       <LinusN> i'm not entirely sure that we really want that...
11.59.04 #       <c0utta> why not ?
12.00.02 #       <LinusN> it adds complexity, imho, and 
12.00.13 #       <LinusN> strike the "and"
12.01.44 #       <LinusN> what is CONTEXT_START?
12.02.16 #       <LinusN> is CONTEXT_F1 the main menu?
12.02.37 #       <LinusN> remember that Players don't have F-keys
12.09.17 #       <c0utta> you need to use a keyhandler before you can manipulate menus
12.10.17 #       <c0utta> that means you can use the complexity if you need to
12.13.11 #       <LinusN> yeah, let's add the functions and see if we want to use them, else we remove them again
12.13.26 #       <LinusN> how about my questions regarding CONTEXT_xxx?
12.15.38 #       <c0utta> i already use the functions in my next set of patches to manipulate the f2 menu :)
12.15.50 #       <c0utta> as far as context_xxx is concerned
12.16.25 #       <c0utta> i want to find out in what context keys are pressed
12.16.46 #       <c0utta> it leads towards having different contexts for the same keys
12.17.20 #       <c0utta> f2-down in wps could be different from f2-down in the tree view
12.17.45 #       <c0utta> for example
12.17.52 #       <LinusN> i follow you
12.18.11 #       <LinusN> then i suggest you rename CONTEXT_F1 to CONTEXT_MAINMENU
12.18.18 #       <LinusN> what is CONTEXT_START?
12.18.37 #       <c0utta> when rockbox first starts
12.18.45 #       <c0utta> can't think of a use for it yet
12.19.39 #       <c0utta> maybe like the Resume when rockbox starts
12.19.59 #       <LinusN> then CONTEXT_RESUME would be better
12.20.28 #       <LinusN> i think you should only define the context you know of, and we'll add more later
12.20.31 #       <c0utta> you may want to do other things at startup
12.20.46 #       <c0utta> for example, i always want to run a particular cfg
12.20.59 #       <c0utta> to set my volume back to 50%
12.21.37 #       <c0utta> it is usually at 93%, but if i resume at 93% with headphones my ears will bleed
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12.22.05 #       <LinusN> what does that have to do with context sensitive menus?
12.23.00 #       <c0utta> nothing
12.23.04 #       <c0utta> you've got me
12.24.15 #       <c0utta> i should point out that the quickscreens have changed with this patch
12.24.22 #       <LinusN> saw that
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12.24.41 #       <c0utta> if you press F2 and release it doesn't stay in the quickscreen
12.24.46 #       <c0utta> you saw that ?
12.24.51 #       <LinusN> in the diff
12.25.08 #       <c0utta> will that cause a problem in the interim ?
12.25.46 #       <LinusN> probably :-)
12.26.06 #       <LinusN> people will shoot me for "removing the quick screens"
12.26.40 #       <c0utta> in the interim i could put the functionality back if you want
12.26.54 #       <LinusN> we should probably do that
12.27.18 #       <LinusN> so, this first patch includes the functions for the keyhandler and on-the-fly menu manipulation?
12.27.27 #       <LinusN> a good start, imho
12.27.31 #       <c0utta> yes
12.27.41 #       <c0utta> i think there will be 5 patches overall
12.27.59 #       <LinusN> with this, i can modify the FM radio preset menus, nice
12.28.37 #       <c0utta> there are MAJOR changes coming to menu declaration :(
12.28.44 #       <LinusN> ouch
12.29.11 #       <c0utta> no more:
12.29.12 #       <c0utta> struct menu_items items[] = {
12.29.12 #       <c0utta> { str(LANG_CREATE_PLAYLIST),       create_playlist   },
12.31.31 #       <c0utta> maybe not
12.31.38 #       <c0utta> i've worked out a way around it
12.31.52 #       <c0utta> even though i have changed EVERY menu in Rockbox
12.40.23 #       <LinusN> i'll be happy to preview those changes, out of curiosity
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12.57.28 #       <c0utta> your curiosity usually means trouble..
12.58.56 #       <LinusN> hehe
12.59.17 #       <c0utta> i'll give you an explanation:
12.59.50 #       <c0utta> as you probably know, all actions will be driven by a #define
13.00.07 #       <c0utta> #define ACTION_SETTING_SHUFFLE                          1
13.00.17 #       <c0utta> #define ACTION_SETTING_REPEAT                           2
13.00.20 #       <c0utta> etc etc
13.00.57 #       <c0utta> these will be bound to contexts and keys
13.01.33 #       <c0utta> in a .map file
13.02.11 #       <c0utta> 512;1;Volume 40%;101;40
13.02.19 #       <c0utta> is an example of an entry in the map file
13.02.23 #       <c0utta> 512=f2
13.02.37 #       <c0utta> 1=context_wps
13.02.49 #       <c0utta> Volume 40% is the description
13.02.55 #       <c0utta> 101=action code
13.03.07 #       <c0utta> #define ACTION_SETTING_VOLUME                           101
13.03.17 #       <c0utta> 40 is the setting
13.03.59 #       <c0utta> this line creates an entry in the f2 menu that sets the volume to 40%
13.07.09 #       <c0utta> to do this i need to know the action associated with the menu item
13.07.30 #       <c0utta> this means:
13.07.35 #       <c0utta> struct menu_items {
13.07.36 #       <c0utta> unsigned char *desc;
13.07.36 #       <c0utta> bool (*function) (char *); /* return true if USB was connected */
13.07.45 #       <c0utta> int action;
13.07.46 #       <c0utta> char* setting;
13.07.46 #       <c0utta> };
13.08.05 #       <c0utta> in the example above, action=101
13.08.10 #       <c0utta> setting=40
13.08.41 #       <c0utta> so instead of:
13.08.42 #       <c0utta> struct menu_items items[] = {
13.08.43 #       <c0utta> { str(LANG_VOLUME), volume },
13.08.54 #       <c0utta> when declaring a menu, you do:
13.09.48 #       <c0utta> items[i].desc = menu_language(ACTION_SETTING_VOLUME);
13.09.48 #       <c0utta> items[i++].function = menu_action(ACTION_SETTING_VOLUME);
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13.10.50 #       <c0utta> too complicated linus ?
13.10.57 #       <LinusN> not at all
13.11.05 #       <c0utta> is there an easier way ?
13.11.51 #       <LinusN> i'm thinking about the char *setting, what is it pointing to?
13.12.11 #       <c0utta> in my example, "40/0"
13.13.56 #       <c0utta> i convert to an integer in the volume function in sound_menu.c
13.14.02 #       <LinusN> i see
13.14.02 #       <c0utta> bool volume(char* setting)
13.14.03 #       <c0utta> {
13.14.03 #       <c0utta> if( setting==NULL )
13.14.13 #       <c0utta> return set_sound(str(LANG_VOLUME), &global_settings.volume, SOUND_VOLUME);
13.14.13 #       <c0utta> else
13.14.13 #       <c0utta> set_sound_options(setting, SOUND_VOLUME, &global_settings.volume);
13.14.26 #       <LinusN> so techically, it doesn't need to be a setting
13.14.36 #       <c0utta> correct
13.14.43 #       <LinusN> it could be anything, it's just an argument to the action code
13.14.53 #       <c0utta> correct
13.14.55 #       <c0utta> 512;1;Volume 40%;101;
13.15.06 #       <LinusN> i think you should call it action_arg or something
13.15.07 #       <c0utta> would just bring up the normal dialog to change volume
13.15.29 #       <LinusN> who allocates space for the string?
13.15.53 #       <c0utta> when the map file is read in
13.16.46 #       <c0utta> space is allocated then
13.17.56 #       <LinusN> in a static buffer?
13.20.00 #       <c0utta> tell me if this is static:
13.20.04 #       <c0utta> struct  menu_entry
13.20.04 #       <c0utta> {
13.20.04 #       <c0utta> int action;
13.20.09 #       <c0utta> char desc[20];
13.20.09 #       <c0utta> char setting[64];
13.20.09 #       <c0utta> }
13.20.21 #       <c0utta> then in the code below:
13.20.30 #       <c0utta> memset(entries[count].setting, 0, sizeof entries[count].setting);
13.20.52 #       <c0utta> if ((field = strtok_r(NULL, ";", &end)))
13.21.00 #       <c0utta> {
13.21.00 #       <c0utta> strncpy(entries[count].setting, field, sizeof entries[count].setting);
13.21.05 #       <c0utta> items[count].setting = entries[count].setting;
13.21.05 #       <c0utta> }
13.21.20 #       <c0utta> you are amazing being able to read and understand this code
13.21.46 #       <LinusN> how are the menus declared by default?
13.22.09 #       <LinusN> i mean, the default contents, without loading a enu desc file?
13.22.40 #       <c0utta> there aren't any - they all come from the file
13.22.49 #       <c0utta> i could define default ones
13.22.55 #       <LinusN> you should
13.23.11 #       <c0utta> what about a default file in .rockbox
13.23.14 #       <c0utta> ?
13.23.36 #       <LinusN> possible, but that gives us a lot of work with the translations
13.24.16 #       <c0utta> not really - if you have:
13.24.22 #       <c0utta> 512;1; ;101;40
13.24.41 #       <c0utta> you'll get the LANG default for action 101
13.25.02 #       <c0utta> (note i removed "Volume 40%")
13.25.47 #       <LinusN> so there is an action<=>lang table somewhere
13.25.55 #       <c0utta> correct
13.26.29 #       <LinusN> the menu structure lists, how many entries are allocated?
13.26.36 #       <c0utta> action<=>lang<=>functionptr
13.26.58 #       <c0utta> so far, 131
13.27.55 #       <LinusN> 131*88 = ~11kbytes
13.28.34 #       <c0utta> for an int, fnptr, int ?
13.30.08 #       <LinusN> for an action, desc and setting
13.30.26 #       <LinusN> struct menu_entry
13.30.40 #       <c0utta> the menu_entry is generated "on the fly"
13.31.03 #       <LinusN> how? the memory must be allocated somehow
13.31.34 #       <c0utta> memory is allocated to menu entries when they are read from the file
13.31.47 #       <LinusN> how?
13.33.15 #       <c0utta> if there are 6 entries in the map file, then 6*88
13.33.37 #       <c0utta> but only while the menu is active
13.33.43 #       <LinusN> i mean, where is the memory taken from?
13.34.33 #       <c0utta> r u accepting dcc - easier to send you the file
13.34.43 #       <LinusN> try it
13.34.44 #       <c0utta> or email
13.35.39 #       <c0utta> did you get that ?
13.35.48 #       <c0utta> ctcp/dcc Send to LinusN of action.c Failed: Connection Closed (Sent 26KB of 26KB)
13.36.10 #       <LinusN> got it
13.36.20 #       <LinusN> ok, so you have 16 entries available
13.36.40 #       <LinusN> but are you serious about reading the desc file every time the context menu is opened?
13.36.53 #       <c0utta> yes - it is very quick
13.37.07 #       <c0utta> i have 16=160 and loaded them
13.37.11 #       <LinusN> a 5 second disk spinup isn't what i call quick
13.37.14 #       <c0utta> 2 secs
13.37.37 #       <LinusN> and imagine the battery consumption
13.37.47 #       <c0utta> good point
13.38.12 #       <LinusN> the ui will feel sluggish
13.38.32 #       <c0utta> i will come up with a solution
13.38.40 #       <c0utta> probably a static in action.c
13.38.54 #       <c0utta> bool menu_loaded
13.39.15 #       <LinusN> you could have a pool of entries to allocate, a pseudodynamic menu entry allocation
13.39.37 #       <LinusN> and a list of pointers for each menu
13.39.51 #       <c0utta> pseudodynamic is a very big word
13.39.57 #       <LinusN> or just have X static arrays of various sizes
13.40.44 #       <LinusN> the problem is that there is a fixed limit on the number of entries
13.41.02 #       <c0utta> at this stage, yes
13.41.27 #       <c0utta> to be honest, my C programming is at basic level
13.41.41 #       <c0utta> we can't use malloc, can we ?
13.41.45 #       <LinusN> nope
13.41.49 #       <c0utta> kack
13.42.01 #       <LinusN> i think your code is pretty good
13.42.25 #       <c0utta> nothing compared to mp3.c
13.42.33 #       <c0utta> that code scares me
13.43.00 #       <LinusN> that probably means that mpeg.c isn't very well written :-)
13.43.34 #       <c0utta> it amazes me how far rockbox has gone
13.43.54 #       <c0utta> in only 2 years
13.45.24 #       <c0utta> linus, i must go to bed.  i have a 7 month old who is getting teeth
13.45.40 #       <c0utta> he will be awake soon
13.46.11 #       <c0utta> don't submit my patch yet - i want to change the quickscreens back as we discussed
13.46.32 #       <c0utta> so you don't get blamed for breaking them
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13.54.14 #       <LinusN> sleep tight
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19.12.53 #       <dannn> anyone here?
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22.45.10 #       <Nasum> good afternoon people. Is there anyone herew that would be able to help for about 20 seconds?
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22.47.52 #       <Nasum> anyone here?
22.57.41 #       <scott666> iam 
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23.03.51 #       <Nasum> would you be able to help me?
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23.05.02 #       <Nasum> is this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000T1R4O/104-9875666-7036729?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&vi=pictures&img=14#more-pictures a v2? or is it just a recorder?
23.05.09 #       <Nasum> i need to know which firmware to get
23.07.34 #       <scott666> thats a v2
23.07.50 #       <Nasum> ok cool
23.07.52 #       <Nasum> thank you :)
23.07.57 #       <Nasum> o0o
23.08.08 #       <Nasum> is the v2 any good in your opinion
23.08.25 #       <scott666> i dont have one
23.08.28 #       <scott666> but i have an FMR
23.08.32 #       <scott666> which is broken
23.08.35 #       <Nasum> u like it?
23.08.36 #       <Nasum> oh
23.08.37 #       <Nasum> lol
23.09.05 #       <scott666> itd be fairly easy to fix i think, i just dont have access to a soldering iron at the momen
23.09.07 #       <scott666> t
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