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00.31.14 #       <Dacarlo> Hi anyone around?
00.31.19 #       <midknight2k3> hi
00.31.59 #       <Dacarlo> Yeah Im looking for the actual original flash ROM image files for the Rockbox recorder 10. 
00.32.09 #       <Dacarlo> My backup was trashed :-(
00.32.48 #       <Dacarlo> Just wondering if someone here still has theirs backed up and can DCC it to me.
00.33.13 #       <midknight2k3> i don't, but what was the rom version? 1.28?
00.33.17 #       <midknight2k3> 1.27?
00.33.57 #       <Dacarlo> yeah 1.27 I got the ajz files but I want to flash the chips back to Archo's version. Im missing the bin files.
00.34.25 #       <midknight2k3> don't need them
00.34.33 #       <midknight2k3> got 1.27 ajz?
00.34.41 #       <Dacarlo> Yeo
00.34.43 #       <Dacarlo> yep
00.34.53 #       <midknight2k3> i can help you make a UCL out of them to flash that
00.34.57 #       <midknight2k3> no difference
00.35.42 #       <Dacarlo> So when it boots it wont show rockbox logo n stuff? Reason is its a faulty unit and Im sending it back to Archos. But if ya can help thats great.
00.41.51 #       <midknight2k3> yes, i probably
00.41.52 #       <midknight2k3> can
00.42.09 #       <Dacarlo> So whats involved?
00.42.41 #       <midknight2k3> i can walk you through it, or you can send it to me and have me do it
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01.22.58 #       <midknight2k3> amiconn hi
01.23.02 #       <midknight2k3> hows your bitswap patch
01.23.21 #       <amiconn> hi midknight2k3
01.24.02 #       <amiconn> my bitswap patch is already committed by [IDC]Dragon. Yeah!
01.24.25 #       <midknight2k3> is it good?
01.24.38 #       <midknight2k3> what does it do exactly? faster buffering or somesuch?
01.25.35 #       <amiconn> The problem with the archos is that the mp3 decoder chip expects the bits of every byte in the reverse order than they are in the file
01.26.12 #       <amiconn> therefore the bits of all bytes have to be swapped in order to be played by the chip
01.26.23 #       <midknight2k3> oh
01.26.23 #       <midknight2k3> cool
01.27.42 #       <amiconn> I've improved that routine, 14% faster now (real world figures). This gives more time to other tasks and saves (a little) battery power.
01.28.22 #       <amiconn> but I guess my ata speedup has to wait until the mystery with some disks is solved :(
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01.28.45 #       <midknight2k3> wake hi
01.28.55 #       <midknight2k3> what mystery?
01.29.14 #       <wake> hi
01.29.28 #       <midknight2k3> i remember you wake
01.30.12 #       <amiconn> midknight2k3: Some disks are apparently either not fast enough (or not configured to be fast enough)
01.30.35 #       <wake> yeah, i hang out here sometimes, even though my archos has been broken since january
01.30.48 #       <amiconn> to handle the new speedy routines and give errors, which leads to file system corruption.
01.32.32 #       <midknight2k3> yay
01.39.36 #       <amiconn> Nite all
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05.29.05 #       <Guest1> hello?
05.29.14 #       <Guest1> please register me?
05.29.27 #       <Guest1> hello.. is anyone here
05.29.28 #       <Guest1> i need help
05.29.31 #       <Guest1> can anyone see this
05.29.52 #       <dwihno> Yes?
05.30.03 #       <Guest1> is this the chat for rockbox?
05.30.10 #       <dwihno> You bet! :)
05.30.15 #       <Guest1> awesome
05.30.18 #       <Guest1> uhmm.. i need some help
05.30.26 #       <Guest1> i have an archos jukebox recorder 15
05.30.46 #       <Guest1> and i downloaded the rockbox firmware stuff.. and i dont get how to install it on my mp3 player :S
05.30.58 #       <dwihno> well
05.31.01 #       <dwihno> it's quite easy
05.31.09 #       <dwihno> just unzip the archive onto the disk
05.31.14 #       <dwihno> (the root of it)
05.31.16 #       <Guest1> i cant find the "root" thingy
05.31.24 #       <dwihno> Well, where do you put your mp3s?
05.32.00 #       <Guest1> i dunno.. i plug the mp3 player into the usb.. and Jukebox (g) pops up.....
05.32.06 #       <Guest1> and i put my files in there
05.32.09 #       <dwihno> G: ?
05.32.19 #       <dwihno> Just unzip the archive directly to g:\
05.32.49 #       <dwihno> It will unzip the firmware executable along with the .rockbox dir, containing languages, plugins ("rocks") and so forth
05.33.25 #       <Guest1> i dont get it!~~~!!!
05.33.40 #       <Guest1> i downloaded it.. and now there is a folder on the desktop...
05.33.44 #       <dwihno> Do you know how to handle .zip archives?
05.33.48 #       <Guest1> and i put the folder into g... 
05.33.57 #       <Guest1> i dunno if i do..
05.34.22 #       <dwihno> What OS do you use?
05.34.26 #       <dwihno> Windows XP?
05.34.47 #       <Guest1> yes
05.34.49 #       <dwihno> okay
05.34.55 #       <dwihno> then there is built in zip support
05.34.57 #       <dwihno> open the file
05.35.00 #       <dwihno> mark everything
05.35.01 #       <Guest1> ok
05.35.06 #       <dwihno> open the jukebox in an additional window
05.35.13 #       <Guest1> ok
05.35.26 #       <dwihno> drag'n'drop the contents of the archive to the jukebox
05.35.35 #       <dwihno> (directly in the root directory of g:)
05.35.52 #       <Guest1> thats the thing.. i dont see any root directory thingy
05.36.04 #       <Guest1> all i have is folders... of the artists names.. and their music.
05.36.38 #       <dwihno> By root directory, I mean the base folder where the folders are stored
05.36.43 #       <dwihno> the "top level", so to speak
05.36.57 #       <Guest1> Jukebox (g) ??
05.37.01 #       <dwihno> indeed :)
05.37.05 #       <Guest1> so just put it into jukebox...
05.37.27 #       <Guest1> ok..
05.37.32 #       <Guest1> now turn it off and thenb ack on?
05.37.55 #       <dwihno> You DO "unplug" the unit before disconnecting it?
05.38.01 #       <Guest1> ya
05.38.03 #       <dwihno> Using the "safe hardware removal" thingy
05.38.10 #       <dwihno> Ok
05.38.13 #       <dwihno> Then do so.
05.38.24 #       <Guest1> sweet
05.38.26 #       <Guest1> it worked
05.38.43 #       <Guest1> so whats the difference betweeen this and the one that was already on here
05.38.53 #       <Guest1> woahh.. faster huh?
05.39.07 #       <dwihno> Well.
05.39.24 #       <dwihno> It's entirely like a night and day experience, if you ask me.
05.39.35 #       <dwihno> The key word is customizable.
05.39.42 #       <Guest1> the first thing ive noticed.. is... its wayyy faster
05.40.17 #       <dwihno> You can use different fonts, configure how to display how MP3s are being displayed (the so-called WPS), different kind of timeouts, to name a few
05.40.36 #       <dwihno> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html
05.40.38 #       <dwihno> There.
05.40.44 #       <dwihno> It explains everything.
05.41.14 #       <dwihno> The playlist loading is one of my favorites.
05.41.23 #       <Guest1> how do i play the games
05.41.27 #       <dwihno> Press F1
05.41.42 #       <dwihno> There should be a menu with "plugins"
05.42.12 #       <Guest1> sweet!!!
05.43.59 #       <dwihno> Well. Yes :)
05.45.32 #       <Guest1> can you listen to music and play games at the same time?
05.46.25 #       <dwihno> yup
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05.47.03 #       <dwihno> \o/ mission accomplished \o/
05.47.13 #       <Guest1> whats id3
05.47.55 #       <dwihno> Meta-information stored in the file
05.48.01 #       <dwihno> Such as artist, song name, album etc.
05.48.18 #       <Guest1> dude.. this is awesome!!!!
05.48.28 #       <Guest1> are there any other hacks for jukebox out there on the web?
05.49.31 #       <dwihno> Hacks?
05.49.36 #       <dwihno> You mean alternative firmwares?
05.49.40 #       <dwihno> None that I know of.
05.49.44 #       <Guest1> oh i see
05.49.46 #       <dwihno> This is not a hack
05.49.50 #       <dwihno> This is a complete firmware rewrite
05.49.57 #       <Guest1> whats disk spindown?
05.50.22 #       <dwihno> When navigating the disk, the disk will spin down after X seconds of inactivity
05.50.47 #       <dwihno> http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf <-- that's the manual
05.56.50 #       <Guest1> THIS IS SOO COOL!!!!
05.57.00 #       <Guest1> dude... props to whoever made this!!
05.59.04 #       <dwihno> Well, the core are Linus, Björn and Daniel. They are TEH r0xx! ;D
05.59.11 #       <dwihno> They made everything happen.
05.59.22 #       <dwihno> I think Daniel started the project.
05.59.40 #       <Guest1> ha... im surprised this is free
06.00.51 #       <dwihno> Well, if you feel like giving money, there is a paypal account on the website.
06.01.12 #       <Guest1> im poor
06.01.45 #       <dwihno> Then just sit back, and enjoy the ride :D
06.02.28 #       <Guest1> this game is hard!!!
06.02.40 #       <dwihno> Which one?
06.02.53 #       <Guest1> where you have to get all of the "o's"
06.02.58 #       <dwihno> (?)
06.02.58 #       <MT> its not only free, its open source :)
06.03.07 #       <dwihno> \o/ open source \o/
06.06.28 #       <Guest1> k.. whats the best thing.. or feature.. that i dont know about.. i dont have time to read the manual
06.06.43 #       <MT> the best feature is the manual
06.07.25 #       <dwihno> Use the interface, and when a question arises, simply check the manual.
06.07.36 #       <dwihno> The WPS and font stuff is DA shiznat.
06.07.47 #       <Guest1> no idea what that is
06.08.00 #       <Guest1> crap.. lol how do i browse my files
06.08.25 #       <MT> the best feature is that everything that is physically possible with the archos that any of 100 or more people who have written code for rockbox wanted, probably exists in rockbox
06.08.26 #       <Guest1> ohhhh.. i press on???
06.09.19 #       <dwihno> MT: are there ~100 contributors? Impressive.
06.09.29 #       <dwihno> The power of open source compels you! :D
06.09.29 #       <Guest1> im sooo bad... 
06.09.39 #       <Guest1> im using my mp3 player to cheat on my math test tommorow
06.09.55 #       <MT> well theres 60+ in credits
06.09.56 #       <Guest1> lol... i recorded myself saying all the answers... 
06.10.05 #       <Guest1> then tommorow i will "listen to music".. in class
06.10.16 #       <dwihno> CheatBox? :)
06.10.24 #       <Guest1> lol you know it
06.10.33 #       <MT> its people like you that mean i cant listen to music in my exams :o/
06.10.36 #       <Guest1> is there any way of viewing typed documents on here
06.10.43 #       <MT> of course
06.10.52 #       <Guest1> really???? how?
06.10.52 #       <MT> you cant check your email yet
06.10.56 #       <MT> but im working on it
06.11.03 #       <MT> type it into a text file
06.11.05 #       <Guest1> wait.. your the one who made this ??
06.11.06 #       <MT> and then play it
06.11.21 #       <MT> i have made bits of pieces for my own delectation
06.11.31 #       <MT> none of them have made it into the main source code tree :/
06.11.34 #       <Guest1> *bows down to mt*
06.11.46 #       <MT> erm..
06.12.00 #       <MT> ive done very little, but appreciate the beauty of open source :)
06.12.49 #       <Guest1> does this firmware ever freeze up or anything
06.12.53 #       <Guest1> have any bugs in it?
06.13.11 #       <MT> just a few
06.13.25 #       <MT> much less than original archos
06.15.00 #       <dwihno> Which is a great thing \o/ :)
06.15.29 #       <dwihno> I wound up buying the archos' just because of rockbox... Back then, there was not even audio on the recorder models, and the fat driver was flaky
06.15.41 #       <dwihno> there's a swedish saying... "att köpa grisen i säcken"
06.15.56 #       <dwihno> Which basically means, what you get, is what you get :)
06.16.21 #       <Guest1> how do you delete a folder on here.....
06.16.27 #       <Guest1> from the actual jukebox
06.16.32 #       <MT> i just bought another damn archos because of rockbox ;)
06.17.07 #       <dwihno> MT: which model?
06.17.27 #       <dwihno> Guest1: I don't think recursive directory deletion is implemented.
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06.20.51 #       <MT> recorder v2 :/
06.20.56 #       <dwihno> :/
06.21.03 #       <MT> im importing it from america however, so at least it will be cheap
06.21.19 #       <dwihno> I hate units with non-standard batteries.
06.21.21 #       <MT> ~50% of uk cost
06.21.30 #       <MT> yeah, I had the FM before that
06.21.54 #       <MT> not only the battery, the hard drive is so tricky to get to
06.21.59 #       <MT> real pita
06.22.19 #       <Guest1> ha.. that sounds weird.. importing it from america...
06.22.38 #       <Guest1> <american boy <---------------
06.23.28 #       <dwihno> The v2 uses custom batts as well?
06.24.07 #       <Guest1> whats debug...
06.24.13 #       <Guest1> should i not go into that section ?
06.24.30 #       <MT> the v2 == fm recorder with no radio
06.24.34 #       <dwihno> ah
06.24.52 #       <MT> some of the early ones did actually have the radio in them, but disabled in firmware
06.24.52 #       <Guest1> arcos needs to put a turning dial volumn thingy on their mp3 players
06.24.56 #       <dwihno> debug = misc. information, not that useful to the average user.
06.25.02 #       <Guest1> that would make it alot easier.. don tyou think?
06.25.32 #       <MT> easier to break
06.25.52 #       <Guest1> is there a way to boot up the original firmware thingy....
06.26.13 #       <Guest1> from the arcos... without having to delete the new firmware... ya know... choose which one to start up?
06.27.36 #       <MT> you can put a copy of the original firmware on the disk
06.27.37 #       <Guest1> so my arcos jukebox recorder 15... would you consider that an older mp3.... or is it still good compared to other mp3 players?
06.27.44 #       <MT> and then play it
06.27.50 #       <MT> and it will load archos firmware
06.27.57 #       <MT> its pretty old now
06.28.06 #       <Guest1> oh ya?
06.28.08 #       <MT> large, small hard disk, usb 1
06.28.22 #       <MT> not a very good screen
06.28.23 #       <Guest1> i havent seen many mp3 players with such a big harddrive though
06.28.30 #       <MT> 15 gb?
06.28.34 #       <Guest1> ya
06.28.42 #       <MT> heck, ive seen flash players with almost that capacity
06.28.50 #       <Guest1> really?
06.28.58 #       <Guest1> those are the ones that have the little cards on them?
06.29.04 #       <MT> (lies, 4.5GB is the largest flash player)
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06.29.24 #       <Guest1> i thought those little flash cards were mostly like 128 mb.. and 256 mb
06.30.17 #       <Guest1> how many mb in a gig?
06.30.44 #       <dwihno> MT: Are you SURE it's a flash based player? I mean, there's some new kind of hard drive which is really small...
06.30.53 #       <dwihno> MT: the largest flash player is 1 gbyte
06.31.48 #       <dwihno> That's what I've seen
06.32.15 #       <Guest1> wait.. so the batterys actualy last longer with rock box... hows that?
06.32.18 #       <MT> maybe it was 1.5GB
06.32.32 #       <MT> we use the battery more efficiently
06.33.29 #       <Guest1> this is sweet
06.33.30 #       <Guest1> awesome
06.33.37 #       <Guest1> k so i think im going to go study my math...
06.33.46 #       <dwihno> Some of the time critical stuff has been optimized as well, such as bit flipping
06.33.47 #       <Guest1> and then ill let another kid use my arcos.. to cheat.. and have him pay me!!!!!
06.34.03 #       <dwihno> Which shouldn't be a requirement at all :)
06.34.32 #       <dwihno> Goddamn endianness
06.34.38 #       <Guest1> thanks for helping me
06.34.39 #       <Guest1> see ya
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10.39.43 #       <Guest> 2My JBR20 will never play if the batteries are down to 55 or below
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21.33.33 #       <c0utta> hey zagor
21.33.45 #       <Zagor> hi
21.34.28 #       <c0utta> can you use ms word to contribute to the manual ?
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21.36.29 #       <c0utta> aren't the file formats the same ?
21.36.49 #       <Zagor> no they're not. openoffice can read word files, but the oo format is clean xml
21.37.09 #       <Zagor> so yes and no :-)
21.37.09 #       <c0utta> bummer
21.37.23 #       <c0utta> i'll download oo at work today
21.37.38 #       <Zagor> you can probably still send text to david written in msword though. just not load the existing text.
21.38.06 #       <Zagor> ah, you're in au. today just started for you :-)
21.38.06 #       <c0utta> true.  i want to rewrite the flashing pasrt of the manual
21.38.26 #       <c0utta> yes.  feeding kids.  ready to go to work.
21.38.56 #       <c0utta> i can't believe the number of questions about flashing.  i found the process SO simple
21.39.07 #       <Zagor> yeah. but the text can be a bit confusing.
21.39.26 #       <c0utta> true.  that's why you get a user to write a manual not a developer
21.39.38 #       <c0utta> no offence to [idc] tho
21.40.07 #       <c0utta> i'll email david - i've never seen him in here
21.40.16 #       <Zagor> do so
21.41.12 #       <c0utta> have a good night
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22.37.35 #       <quelsaruk> hi
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23.08.58 #       <Sebulba02> When trying to flash & getting "No images found", what exactly am I missing?
23.09.23 #       <quelsaruk> do you have the .ucl file?
23.09.38 #       <Sebulba02> I'm trying to play it and thats all it gives me.
23.09.52 #       <Sebulba02> (Yes)
23.09.55 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.09.56 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
23.10.27 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose that you're running an up-to-date rockbox version with the flash plugin instaled and so on..
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23.10.43 #       <Sebulba02> I just compiled it off CVS 5 mins ago.
23.11.12 #       <Sebulba02> (So, yes)
23.11.24 #       <quelsaruk> then.. i have no idea, sorry :(
23.11.51 #       <Sebulba02> No biggie.
23.12.02 #       <quelsaruk> write a mail to the list, or to [idc]dragon, or ask him if he comes later
23.12.24 #       <Sebulba02> I could search the list also, forgot about it.
23.13.05 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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23.17.47 #       <Sebulba02> Ahh, it all makes sense now.
23.18.48 #       <quelsaruk> what?
23.18.51 #       <quelsaruk> hi Bagder :)
23.18.58 #       <quelsaruk> nice to see you again
23.19.01 #       <Bagder> howdy ho
23.19.12 #       <Sebulba02> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0117.shtml
23.19.21 #       <quelsaruk> (at least now that i'm uptodate with the languages)
23.19.33 #       <Bagder> hehe
23.20.23 #       <quelsaruk> Sebulba02, ups.. i thought you wanted to upgrade the flash :)
23.20.29 #       <Sebulba02> Heh
23.20.48 #       <Sebulba02> & I thought I tried that already.
23.20.49 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, i have a question.. can a fire?
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23.22.18 #       <quelsaruk> i wanted to mod the lcd_put_scroll_style() so that it only writes down what fits in the screen, so i can have a big text in a splash window and scroll it
23.22.51 #       <quelsaruk> but all i got was the simulator crashing...
23.23.00 #       <quelsaruk> um...
23.23.08 #       <quelsaruk> any fresh ideas?
23.23.19 #       <Bagder> yes: you may have made a bug
23.23.22 #       <Bagder> :-P
23.23.32 #       <Bagder> seriously: not really
23.23.33 #       <quelsaruk> i killed 2 goats!!!
23.24.12 #       <quelsaruk> i tried using the... i cant remember the function's name...
23.24.44 #       <quelsaruk> anyway...
23.25.23 #       <quelsaruk> if you're not to busy.. would you mind taking a look to lcd_put_scroll_style() to see if you can do that? 
23.25.41 #       <Bagder> I am busy atm
23.25.45 #       <quelsaruk> ok
23.25.47 #       <quelsaruk> no prob
23.25.57 #       <quelsaruk> i'll continue trying :)
23.26.00 #       <quelsaruk> thx anyway
23.26.03 #       <Bagder> but I think your goal is worthy
23.26.49 #       <quelsaruk> it's for a splash menu
23.27.10 #       <quelsaruk> also linus wanted to use that function for the new F2/3 menus...
23.27.11 #       <Bagder> the regular splash could use such a modification too
23.27.22 #       <Sebulba02> Well, thanks :)
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23.28.36 #       <quelsaruk> so the splash window doesn't use all the screen width, or supporting really big words
23.29.27 #       <Bagder> it uses the whole width, but it doesn't support long words
23.30.06 #       <quelsaruk> yes.. but a splash window using the whole width is not *cool* enough :)
23.30.35 #       <Bagder> hehe
23.30.41 #       <Bagder> it is simple to modify it to use less
23.30.54 #       <quelsaruk> i know
23.30.55 #       <quelsaruk> :P
23.31.20 #       <quelsaruk> hmm a programming style question... 
23.31.21 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.32.23 #       <Bagder> shoot
23.34.15 #       <quelsaruk> if i'm changing a function that is something like function(var1, var2) to function(var1,var2,var3)... should i search the code and modify all the calls, or can i create a new function called function_style(var1,var2,var3), so the function(var1,var2) call that new function with a default value for var3 ???
23.34.37 #       <quelsaruk> the last option means adding more code.. but easier to implement the changes :)
23.35.35 #       <Bagder> I'd say it depends if it makes sense to have two functions or not
23.35.50 #       <Bagder> I wouldn't do it just to avoid changing many places
23.36.13 #       <quelsaruk> lcd_setmargins()
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23.38.01 #       <quelsaruk> for the lcd_put_scroll_style(), i'm using a new variable called display_width that tells the scroll function how long can the text be.. or when do we now if we have to really scroll.
23.39.21 #       <quelsaruk> so i changed the lcd_setmargins() to include a new variable that controls if we have a splash menu (or window) or not, to use all the display or just part of it
23.40.05 #       <Bagder> I think the two-func approach could work
23.40.47 #       <quelsaruk> i used that approach, but did not know if the code police would hunt me later for that ;)
23.51.41 #       <quelsaruk> time to go! cu
23.51.50 #       <Bagder> night
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