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00.01.45 #       <Guest> hi all
00.02.20 #       <Guest> is there some1?
00.03.44 #       <Bagder> yes
00.04.40 #       <Guest> Bagder do you know where to download 11172-3 standard?
00.05.03 #       <Bagder> no
00.05.56 #       <Guest> is there someone in the channel who know it?
00.08.20 #       <Guest> ok :(
00.08.44 #       <Guest> bye, nite to all
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01.39.27 #       <midknight2k3> KA yay
01.40.38 #       <Ka_> midknight2k3: how goes it?
01.41.02 #       <midknight2k3> good
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02.04.01 #       <midknight2k3> BC
02.28.59 #       <Bluechip> hello
02.29.13 #       <Bluechip> little box didn't flash!
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02.30.06 #       <midknight2k3> ?!
02.30.17 #       <Bluechip> hence 24 minute delay in response
02.32.13 #       <midknight2k3> oh
02.32.17 #       <midknight2k3> HA
02.32.18 #       <midknight2k3> 25m
02.32.21 #       <midknight2k3> not 24m
02.32.36 #       <Bluechip> must be within seconds:
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02.32.37 #       <Bluechip> 01[01:04] <midknight2k3> BC
02.32.37 #       <Bluechip> [01:28] <Bluechip> hello 
02.32.54 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.33.05 #       <midknight2k3> i said at 17:04:03 and you replied at 17:29:02
02.33.08 #       <midknight2k3> so yes by 5 seconds
02.33.18 #       <Bluechip> lol
02.33.25 #       <Bluechip> oh sweet irony
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02.35.06 #       <midknight2k3> oh die bc
02.35.25 #       <Bluechip> you're so nice 0 lol
02.35.30 #       <Bluechip> 0 -> -
02.36.34 #       <midknight2k3> lmaoacs?
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07.20.50 #       <LF> w00ties, new daily builds and flashing to rom are teh shiznit, TY
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11.55.15 #       <linusN> hi c0utta
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13.07.45 #       <c0utta> hi linus
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13.08.18 #       <linusN> yo
13.12.54 #       <c0utta> noone in rockdox
13.13.17 #       <linusN> i discussed the menu callback stuff with björn and daniel yesterday, over lunch
13.14.18 #       <c0utta> this doesn't sound good...
13.16.54 #       <linusN> hehe
13.17.12 #       <linusN> we like the callback idea
13.17.19 #       <linusN> but we want it more general
13.17.27 #       <linusN> our idea is the following:
13.17.33 #       <c0utta> ha, i thought björn would hate it..
13.17.42 #       <linusN> he did at first :-)
13.18.38 #       <linusN> instead of a table with key codes and callback functions, we have a single callback
13.19.17 #       <linusN> cb_func(int keycode, int menuid, int cursorpos);
13.19.26 #       <linusN> (maybe some more arguments)
13.19.54 #       <linusN> then the callback checks the keycode and does whatever it wants and then returns 
13.20.08 #       <linusN> the return code is the cool thing
13.20.28 #       <linusN> it returns an int, containing a keycode
13.20.56 #       <linusN> so if it didn't handle the key it returns the same key code
13.21.06 #       <linusN> if it did handle it, it return 0
13.21.20 #       <linusN> or, it could return a new key code! :-)
13.22.03 #       <linusN> basically, it's a hook
13.22.28 #       <linusN> we also discussed pre- and post hooks, but we settled for a pre hook in the first place
13.22.31 #       <linusN> what do you think?
13.24.49 #       <c0utta> i need some time to understand it!
13.25.24 #       <linusN> basically, only one callback function instead of several
13.27.16 #       <c0utta> so this is instead of:
13.27.17 #       <c0utta> void menu_delete(int menu, int position);
13.27.18 #       <c0utta> int menu_count(int menu);
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13.27.18 #       <c0utta> bool menu_moveup(int menu);
13.27.18 #       <c0utta> bool menu_movedown(int menu);
13.27.57 #       <linusN> no
13.28.24 #       <linusN> it's instead of the "short circuit" table
13.28.41 #       <c0utta> i understand - my keyhandler
13.28.42 #       <linusN> but it could replace those functions as well, yes
13.29.19 #       <linusN> so, the menu function would do this:
13.29.29 #       <linusN> button = button_get();
13.29.57 #       <linusN> button=(callback)(button, menuid, ...);
13.30.01 #       <linusN> switch(button)
13.30.02 #       <linusN> ..
13.30.02 #       <linusN> ..
13.30.28 #       <c0utta> yes, much more general
13.35.37 #       <c0utta> so cb_func would need to be registered via a function in menu.c (like the menu_keyhandler function that I have) ?
13.36.37 #       <linusN> how about an extra argument to menu_init()?
13.37.29 #       <c0utta> the reason i like a seperate function is that it doesn't involve changes to other files
13.38.03 #       <c0utta> if you want to use a callback then you can, otherwise you don't even need to consider it
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13.39.18 #       <linusN> hi Bagder_!
13.39.23 #       <Bagder_> hey
13.39.32 #       <Bagder_> me uses secret tunnel ;-)
13.39.40 #       <linusN> figured so
13.39.52 #       <c0utta> btw linus http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3801101950 is a recorder 20
13.40.00 #       <c0utta> v1
13.40.07 #       <linusN> ok
13.40.13 #       <linusN> defects?
13.40.34 #       <linusN> Bagder_: what's your opinion:
13.40.46 #       <c0utta> no, no more than a normal v1 recorder :)
13.40.48 #       <linusN> (regarding the menu callback)
13.41.07 #       <linusN> 1) An extra argument to menu_init()
13.41.20 #       <linusN> 2) A menu_callback() function
13.41.36 #       <linusN> (an extra call toregister the callbak, that is)
13.42.52 #       <c0utta> there's only 10 files affected by menu_init
13.43.22 #       <c0utta> so it's not that bad
13.47.20 #       <linusN> i think an extra argument is ok
13.47.25 #       <Bagder_> me too
13.48.01 #       <linusN> c0utta: wanna code it?
13.48.03 #       <c0utta> ok, consider it done
13.48.19 #       <c0utta> it won't make 2.2 tho
13.48.22 #       <linusN> include as many arguments to the callback as you feel necessary
13.48.28 #       <linusN> of course not 2.2
13.48.55 #       <c0utta> i nominated myself for the flashing update in the manual
13.49.10 #       <c0utta> so i'm busy doing that
13.53.04 #       <linusN> of course, you can disable the callback by passing a NULL pointer
14.11.47 #       <c0utta> linus, we spoke about continually reading the keypad map from disk when you press F2 - do you remember ?
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14.25.29 #       <linusN> yes i do
14.25.46 #       <linusN> and i'm against it
14.26.21 #       <c0utta> are you suggesting i should use a static array and only load once ?
14.27.47 #       <linusN> absolutely, the disk delay will be far too annoying
14.28.42 #       <c0utta> i need to ask a VERY basic C question - remember it's been many years since i've been proficient in C
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14.28.58 #       <linusN> shoot, i promise i won't laugh :-)
14.29.43 #       <c0utta> when i define a static array in a function, what is the best method ?  In my case it will be an array of structures
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14.31.12 #       <c0utta> do i just do: static struct structarray[16];
14.31.27 #       <scott666> snow day!
14.31.39 #       <linusN> yes
14.31.54 #       <c0utta> do the elements get set to NULL ?
14.31.58 #       <linusN> but the "static" is not necessary
14.32.21 #       <c0utta> it's not ?  why ?
14.32.26 #       <linusN> yes, it is cleared at boot, if it is declared in a global scope
14.32.47 #       <c0utta> i would only do it static within a function
14.32.57 #       <c0utta> not global
14.33.26 #       <c0utta> therefore i need "static"
14.34.15 #       <linusN> the "static" keyword has a special meaning inside functions, and it is used to move variables to the heap to make the data persistent, but then the variable name must be unique
14.34.43 #       <linusN> so using "static" in a function does what you think it does
14.34.48 #       <c0utta> unique across all functions globally ?
14.34.52 #       <linusN> but in a global scope it's different
14.35.32 #       <linusN> if you declare a symbol static in a blobal scope, it is already on the heap, but the symbol will be hidden
14.36.00 #       <linusN> so the effect is that the symbol isn't available to other functions
14.36.09 #       <linusN> in other modules, that is
14.36.37 #       <c0utta> i understand the scope issues, but initialisation in C has always confused me
14.36.50 #       <c0utta> initialisation of statics, that is
14.36.53 #       <Bagder_> statics are zeroed from start
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14.37.06 #       <linusN> yes, it is cleared at boot, if it is declared in a global scope
14.37.15 #       <Bagder> in local scope too
14.37.23 #       <linusN> if it's static
14.37.29 #       <linusN> i stand corrected
14.38.39 #       <c0utta> Bagder, "zeroed" ?  what about structures, arrays, etc.  Do you mean "initialised" ?
14.38.58 #       <Bagder> anything static is zero from start
14.39.05 #       <Bagder> structs, arrays, whateve
14.39.06 #       <Bagder> r
14.39.23 #       <c0utta> zero ?  not null ?
14.39.38 #       <Bagder> NULL is a pointer
14.39.47 #       <Bagder> but in general the same
14.39.54 #       <Bagder> zero, null, nil, nada, cleared
14.40.21 #       <c0utta> gotcha - "initialised" means set to default value
14.40.52 #       <Bagder> right, if its assigned it gets set to the default value at first
14.41.00 #       <Bagder> like "static int a = 1"
14.41.32 #       <c0utta> and that only applies at boot with statics ?
14.41.44 #       <c0utta> so static int a = 1 is only ever run once
14.41.50 #       <Bagder> yes
14.42.26 #       <c0utta> i must have slept though the initialisation lecture in 1988
14.43.16 #       <c0utta> linus, when you said <linusN> the "static" keyword has a special meaning inside functions, and it is used to move variables to the heap to make the data persistent, but then the variable name must be unique
14.43.36 #       <c0utta> you meant statics within the same scope, didn't you ?
14.45.00 #       <linusN> well, i was only trying to explain the mechanism behind the "static" keyword
14.45.16 #       <linusN> there are no restrictions on the variable name
14.45.48 #       <linusN> what i was trying to say is that you don't need the "static" keyword in a global scope
14.46.29 #       <c0utta> i understand your point.  statics within a file are assumed if they're defined outside of functions
14.46.50 #       <c0utta> you'd use extern if you wanted to see them in other files
14.47.18 #       <linusN> if you declare global variables static in a global scope, they can't be exported
14.47.49 #       <c0utta> exported in this context means .. ?
14.47.58 #       <linusN> to other modules
14.48.11 #       <linusN> modules/files
14.49.16 #       <c0utta> but putting "int a = 1" at the top of a file the compiler assumes it's a static
14.50.17 #       <Bagder> nope
14.50.32 #       <Bagder> you can then do "extern int a" in another source to reach it
14.51.17 #       <c0utta> got it.  if you use static int a = 1 then you can't
14.52.10 #       <c0utta> reach it
14.53.05 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.53.26 #       <linusN> "static" in a global scope doesn't mean "keep its value", it means "hide it"
14.53.51 #       <linusN> global variables always keep their values
14.54.21 #       <c0utta> [00:23] <linusN> "static" in a global scope doesn't mean "keep its value", it means "hide it" -> that explains it exactly
14.55.07 #       <c0utta> no more questions
14.55.30 #       <c0utta> mack to our original discussion - i agree that we should only load the keymap from file once
14.55.36 #       <c0utta> s/mack/back
14.57.03 #       <c0utta> how "user configurable" should the F2 menu be in your opinion ?
14.57.16 #       <c0utta> configurable by editing the file ?
14.57.39 #       <linusN> i'd definitely settle with that
14.58.02 #       <c0utta> i had visions of allowing users to navigate through the F1 menu and be able to add to the F2 menu "on the fly"
14.58.19 #       <Bagder> save that for later, I'd say
14.58.24 #       <linusN> i think we should start with the basics
14.58.49 #       <c0utta> ok, what do you think we should put int the default F2 menu ?
14.58.55 #       <c0utta> s/int/in
14.59.10 #       <c0utta> tke a vote, or make an executive decision ?
14.59.15 #       <linusN> Bagder and i had an idea about a "my plugins" folder
14.59.37 #       <linusN> the plugins in there would en up in the f2 menu
14.59.43 #       <linusN> s/en/end/
15.00.04 #       <linusN> for easy access to, let'ssay, the "favorites" plugin
15.00.37 #       <linusN> i think it's mentioned in the NEWKEYS document
15.00.38 #       <c0utta> right now i can add plugins to my F2 menu
15.00.52 #       <linusN> good
15.00.59 #       <c0utta> run tetris or favourites or whatever
15.01.14 #       <c0utta> OR load the plugin viewer
15.01.31 #       <linusN> i wonder if we should have a builtin default, or just a default file in the ZIP?
15.01.45 #       <linusN> i vote for a default file in the zip
15.02.11 #       <Bagder> me too
15.02.12 #       <c0utta> i vote for creating the default file if it doesn't exist
15.02.50 #       <c0utta> this enables a user who screws up their file to reset by simply deleting it
15.03.07 #       <linusN> that would take unnecessary space in the firmware file
15.03.35 #       <Bagder> indeed, let's have a good default in the manual instead for those that delete it
15.03.56 #       <Bagder> wasting manual is better than wasting precious ram
15.04.03 #       <c0utta> ok
15.04.19 #       <dwihno> My preciousssss!
15.04.26 #       <dwihno> I want to have the 8 meg RAM mod :)
15.04.37 #       <dwihno> I just need some techno geek to apply it for me \o/
15.04.38 #       <c0utta> so what's in the default ?
15.05.52 #       <linusN> it should be context sensitive as well?
15.05.55 #       <linusN> nah
15.06.24 #       <linusN> Favorites.rock is a must
15.06.47 #       <dwihno> defrag.rock is my fav' ;)
15.06.49 #       <c0utta> ok.  recording is another
15.07.14 #       <linusN> not while in the wps :-)
15.07.21 #       <dwihno> volume! :)
15.07.27 #       <dwihno> sound settings, I mean
15.07.34 #       <dwihno> With my reworked gui patch \o/
15.07.50 #       <c0utta> dwihno, you mean the sound settings menu ?
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15.08.10 #       <c0utta> linus, why not while in the WPS ?
15.08.16 #       <dwihno> c0utta: indeedelio!
15.08.26 #       <c0utta> you can press F1 and choose Recording now
15.08.52 #       <linusN> it would not be fun to accidentally goto recording when you wanted to select favorites
15.09.41 #       <c0utta> when i mean recording, i don't mean start recording automatically
15.10.09 #       <c0utta> i mean load the recording screen
15.10.25 #       <linusN> still, the music will stop
15.10.44 #       <c0utta> then again, pressing F1/Recording is no different than F2/Recording
15.10.51 #       <c0utta> drop the idea of recording :)
15.12.44 #       <c0utta> another popular one is "backlight timer"
15.13.37 #       <c0utta> some of the bookmarking functions - like view playlist
15.15.40 #       <c0utta> linus, björn and daniel can discuss this over another lunch :)
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15.15.56 #       <c0utta> let me know and i'll make those functions a priority
15.16.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> don't drop that idea of recording, please :)
15.16.57 #       <c0utta> kurzhaarrocker, you'll be able to add it yourself by editing the file
15.17.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes. Me shut's up again.
15.17.15 #       <c0utta> we can trust you to not screw it up!
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15.17.56 #       <c0utta> but we can't trust the newbie user
15.18.50 #       <c0utta> linus, i'll do the callback work this weekend and submit my patch for a 5th time
15.18.55 #       <c0utta> :)
15.19.09 #       <c0utta> maybe it'll get approved
15.19.34 #       <linusN> hopefully :-)
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15.20.17 #       <dwihno> linusN: did you test the sound menu btw?
15.20.41 #       <c0utta> i enjoy working under an oligarchy :)
15.20.51 #       <linusN> your stuff? yes
15.21.05 #       <dwihno> I like working under the systembolaget-monopoly
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16.51.48 #       <diddystar5> and pfavr
16.51.54 #       <diddystar5> its my bday!
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16.52.02 #       <pfavr> congratulations!
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22.11.43 #       <amiconn> Hi [IDC]Dragon
22.11.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi Jens!
22.12.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (master of the nanoseconds)
22.13.23 #       <amiconn> Speaking of nanosecond, did you see my descramble.S patch? This also saves your precious IRAM ;-)
22.13.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I didn't
22.14.37 #       <amiconn> Look for patch #910193
22.14.48 #       <amiconn> I had an idea for hunting down the ata problem and would like to know what you think about it
22.15.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> currently no SourceForge login possible :(
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22.16.20 #       <amiconn> That's bad :(
22.18.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how much shorter is it?
22.18.46 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Speaking of the IRAM - could you tell from memory (or quick lookup) how much space is left there atm?
22.19.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ...looking
22.20.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 0x1000 - 0xCF8
22.20.35 #       <amiconn> Is IRAM filled backwards?
22.20.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> = 776 bytes
22.21.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I was subtracting
22.21.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> more IRAM is needed for a debug build, that's the limiting factor.
22.22.02 #       <amiconn> Ok. My idea for troubleshooting the ata bug is basically a measurement how fast we can go without a read error.
22.22.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> currently, memset has been taken out of IRAM.
22.22.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm afraid these read errors could also depend on the box hardware, not only on the disk.
22.23.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't like the delay gates designed in there.
22.23.27 #       <amiconn> For this, I would prepare a special Rockbox build which would consist of two parts: the main .ajz and a special plugin
22.23.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> The delay can vary a lot.
22.24.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> difficult to place code in the IRAM from a plugin
22.24.30 #       <amiconn> Yes, the delay may also depend on the hardware. Do you know if the different hardware masks correspond to different pcb revisions?
22.24.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, they do.
22.25.39 #       <amiconn> IRAM-code from plugin - yes I know that, that's why I asked how much space is left & why I will need a special .ajz
22.26.36 #       <amiconn> My special .ajz would contain a modified copy_read_sectors with an additional parameter, which selects the cop loop to use.
22.27.06 #       <amiconn> This way I have to have all loop variants in there, quite a bit larger in total than just one.
22.27.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I would wait for the LA measurements before any more speculation
22.28.21 #       <amiconn> The "ordinary" ata_read_sectors will call it with speed=0, which will select the C code. This way my .ajz would be safe for normal operation.
22.29.00 #       <amiconn> Additionally, I would expose ata_read_sectors to the plugin api
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22.30.24 #       <amiconn> The plugin then calls this with all possible combinations of speed and alignment and read the first megabyte of the disk to the mp3 buffer
22.31.36 #       <amiconn> It will read twice and calclulate CRC32 for each run. Afterwards it compares the CRCs from the two runs and shows either "ok" or "error".
22.31.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and then do that over and over and compare?
22.32.39 #       <amiconn> Yes, for all different speed and alignments it will read twice (there are currently 7 combinations).
22.33.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, could be useful to Linus
22.33.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> andwe cando a field test without corrupting people's disks
22.34.03 #       <amiconn> This special build would then be announced by me at the ml for testing. The users should report the results along with disk model, hw mask etc.
22.34.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you probably found my CRC routine?
22.35.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in the flash plugin
22.36.28 #       <amiconn> No, not yet. I don't have the "flash" path in my cvs directory, why could this be?
22.37.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't know.
22.38.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it's not in there, it's under apps/plugins/firmware_flash.c
22.38.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> function crc_32()
22.39.31 #       <amiconn> Ok, found it. Thank you for the hint!
22.39.55 #       <amiconn> This way I won't have to write it myself.
22.43.34 #       <amiconn> I'm just working on the ata loops.
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22.58.10 #       <amiconn|code> Qick question: Is it possible to use function pointers in rockbox?
22.58.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
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