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00.00.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn, do you read? How are you?
00.00.38 #       <LinusN> the lcd_bitmap() function would probably gain from optimization
00.01.00 #       <LinusN> since it blits the characters to the frame buffer
00.01.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've been there, but didn't go as far as assembler
00.01.55 #       <amiconn|code> [IDC]Dragon: I was right, if I unroll it to 2 longwords/loop, I can do 8 bytes in 8 cycles :-)
00.02.05 #       <LinusN> c00l
00.02.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> having the shift in IRAM would be beneficial for that one, we talked about it.
00.02.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how far are the store apart?
00.03.17 #       <amiconn|code> It goes: mov.l - cmp/hi - mov.l - bt
00.03.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, yes.
00.03.55 #       <LinusN> with an alignment/odd length prologue and epologue, of course
00.04.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can't be more, and they're on 32 bit boundaries.
00.05.01 #       <amiconn|code> LinusN: yes. I do the longword loop only for >= 20 bytes now. But even my byte loop should be faster than the original (will measure this).
00.05.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't unroll too much, then the setup becomes too dominant.
00.05.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We do short memset's most of the time, 112 byte I guess ;)
00.06.52 #       <amiconn|code> [IDC]Dragon: The additional setup for the longword -> 2 longword unrolling is exactly 1 "add" instruction (and of course some more byte copying at the beginning/end).
00.07.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the latter is what I meant
00.08.25 #       <amiconn|code> For large buffers it's now 2.5 times as fast for longword alignment and 13 times as fast for other alignments.
00.08.54 #       <amiconn|code> Btw: still smaller than the C routine.
00.09.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, enough then ;)
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00.10.25 #       <amiconn|code> Willl do measure some figures with 112 bytes memset().
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00.19.54 #       <track_> hi
00.21.12 #       <LinusN> hi
00.21.24 #       <track_> hi linusN
00.21.44 #       <track_> LinusN there is an issued for the flashed box if the batteries are 100% flat
00.22.24 #       <track_> because when you plug the charger in you have to wait before the batteries are charged, and if the batteries are flat there is no power to sustain the jukebox while the charging software sorts itself out.
00.22.52 #       <track_> I had to remove the batteries and charge them in another charger
00.23.12 #       <LinusN> track_: that shouldn't happen
00.23.18 #       <track_> well it happened to me
00.23.34 #       <LinusN> odd, the cpu should be able to run without the batteries
00.23.42 #       <LinusN> on D/C alone
00.24.01 #       <track_> well I dunno
00.24.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> track_: do you have an old bootloader?
00.24.17 #       <LinusN> we fixed the boot loader for exactly this reason
00.24.23 #       <track_> what u mean?
00.24.28 #       <track_> I flashed to version 2.2 today
00.24.32 #       <LinusN> when did you flash for the first time?
00.24.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> meaning, no full reflash this year?
00.24.44 #       <track_> my archos is running on flashed 2.2
00.24.48 #       <LinusN> when did you flash for the first time?
00.24.52 #       <LinusN> ever
00.24.54 #       <track_> dunno, several months ago
00.24.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Have you just posted? I answered that.
00.25.03 #       <track_> no I didnt popst
00.25.04 #       <track_> post
00.25.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Still, read there ;)
00.25.33 #       <track_> where is the link?
00.25.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> subject ata error -1 or so
00.25.51 #       <LinusN> one of the last posts in the mailing list archive
00.25.52 #       <track_> can you provide me with a link please?
00.25.59 #       <LinusN> rockbox.haxx.se
00.25.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-03/0471.shtml
00.26.20 #       <amiconn|code> [IDC]Dragon, LinusN: With 112 bytes my new memset() is still 1.85 times as fast with long aligned and about 8 times as fast otherwise. (Measured in a 100,000-loop, taking null loop timing into account).
00.27.30 #       <LinusN> i thought long-align would be faster than 1.85x
00.27.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sounds like a step to faster screen updates :)
00.28.28 #       <LinusN> yup
00.29.35 #       <amiconn|code> LinusN: This means my routine is 1.85x faster than the original when both long-aligned. This doesn't mean that my routine doesn't utilize long-align, buther rather the other way round:
00.30.47 #       <amiconn|code> The original routine does _only_ use long-write if the buffer is long-aligned in the first place and uses byte-writes otherwise. Mine uses only byte writes at the beginning/end.
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00.31.06 #       <LinusN> ok
00.31.11 #       <LinusN> sounds nice
00.31.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> stupid implementation in the first place
00.31.55 #       <LinusN> if we replace memset() and optimize lcd_bitmap(), we can get a nice LCD performance boost
00.32.08 #       <amiconn|code> The timings for 100,000 passes of 112 bytes each: Original, long-aligned: 3.32s, original, misaligned: 14.19s, new: 1.79s for both.
00.32.25 #       <LinusN> hehe
00.32.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> again, I did optimize lcd_bitmap() to some extent in the past
00.32.56 #       <amiconn|code> I expect a similar increase for memcpy() (haven't done it yet).
00.33.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> memcpy by nature does a lot of page breaks
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00.34.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so for that it may be worth lo load and store a bunch of registers
00.34.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/lo/to
00.34.26 #       <amiconn|code> Just had the same idea...
00.34.44 #       <LinusN> you mean to optimize for the static column mode?
00.34.54 #       <amiconn|code> Yep.
00.35.17 #       <LinusN> maybe the burst mode can help as well?
00.35.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: have you seen my mentioning that I measured the current?
00.35.30 #       <LinusN> saw that
00.35.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so we should use that mode
00.37.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> current mesurements also indicate there's not terribly much to gain with the CPU sleeping more :(
00.38.05 #       <LinusN> figured so
00.39.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> my box measures ~55 mA when idle, 70 when playing video (without backlight)
00.40.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> disk powered off, not standby
00.41.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> should make a test plugin that halts it (interrupts disabled, sleep mode), to find the lower boundary
00.42.02 #       <amiconn|code> Even my byte write loop is 2.1x as fast aas the original :)
00.44.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> want to see a stupid latest posting: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-03/0473.shtml
00.47.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Did you know that we're just 2 steps away from having the JBR as a VCR?
00.50.05 #       <LinusN> saw that :-)
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01.06.05 #       <track_> Hi
01.06.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Goodnight folks!
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01.07.10 #       <track_> can't wait for my new PC keyboard to be delivered
01.09.06 #       <LinusN> ah, finally found the dreaded bug that causes all these "dir buffer full" errors for the newbies
01.14.28 #       <amiconn|code> LinusN: Did you find something concerning the ata problem already?
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01.17.38 #       <LinusN> nope
01.17.52 #       <LinusN> this was a bug in the settings loader
01.18.16 #       <LinusN> and it only happens to people who install rockbox for the very first time
01.18.32 #       <LinusN> talk about a good first impression :-)
01.20.03 #       <amiconn> Fine. A good first impression is always important.
01.21.40 #       <amiconn> I will stop here now (no coding 'til 5 a.m. today). Will not file a patch for my new memset() yet, want to do it combined with my new memcpy(), which has not been written yet.
01.23.20 #       <amiconn> Nite all!
01.23.25 #       <LinusN> nite
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01.31.03 #       <hardeep> LinusN: Was that really the problem?  If the rtc isn't valid then we call init_config_buffer() which does the same initialization
01.32.12 #       <LinusN> yes, but there are occasions when the rtc is valid and the disk sector isn't
01.32.31 #       <hardeep> ah, right, got it
01.37.55 #       <LinusN> gotta sleep now, cu around
01.38.22 #       <hardeep> g'night
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03.38.08 #       <diddystar5> brb
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03.56.06 #       <midknight2k3> HA nerds
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13.56.10 #       <uski> hi all
13.59.12 #       <c0utta> hello there
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14.40.54 #       <Ka_> anyone know is there is documentation for the video player plugin?
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14.44.29 #       <Neurosupherot> hi
14.44.42 #       <c0utta> Ka_, what do you need to know ?
14.44.46 #       <c0utta> Neurosupherot, hi
14.44.49 #       <Neurosupherot> :)
14.44.55 #       <Neurosupherot> i need help
14.45.30 #       <c0utta> ask a question!
14.45.35 #       <Neurosupherot> i begin editing source codes
14.45.50 #       <Neurosupherot> and how do we change icons?
14.45.55 #       <Neurosupherot> and bmps?
14.46.09 #       <Neurosupherot> in the source code, there is 0x45 0x66 etc
14.46.23 #       <Neurosupherot> but where can i find a converter
14.46.24 #       <Neurosupherot> ?
14.47.09 #       <c0utta> hang on - i'll try and find it
14.47.22 #       <Neurosupherot> thx
14.51.58 #       <Neurosupherot> do you know how delete FOLDERS in the archos, without pc?
14.53.13 #       <Ka_> I'm getting an error after loading the video plugin. Once I start the plugin I get a box on the screen that reads "Play .rvf File!" and then a box that reads "Plugin returned  error" then the plugin exits.
14.53.33 #       <c0utta> Neurosupherot, the program is called bmp2rb.exe
14.53.54 #       <c0utta> it's in your \bin\tools
14.54.24 #       <c0utta> i have not used it - there are many complaints about this tool
14.54.28 #       <Neurosupherot> i just need to launch it?
14.54.58 #       <Neurosupherot> with the picture in the folder?
14.55.10 #       <c0utta> you might need to seek some help from linus
14.55.27 #       <c0utta> it appears the "bmp2rb filename.bmp" is enough
14.55.52 #       <Neurosupherot> ok thx:D
14.55.53 #       <c0utta> Ka_, you cannot use the plugin by itself
14.56.06 #       <c0utta> you must play an RVF file
14.56.50 #       <c0utta> then the plugin loads
14.56.52 #       <Ka_> c0utta: well i converted a video file to rvf as the faq for it described and copied it to the archos
14.57.11 #       <Ka_> but it isn't showing up as a supported file format so i can't click play on it
14.57.29 #       <Ka_> oh wait a minute..
14.57.34 #       <Ka_> i think i found the issue..
14.57.50 #       <c0utta> and you've got supported files set to ???
14.58.38 #       <c0utta> Neurosupherot:
14.58.52 #       <c0utta> Usage: bmp2rb [-i <id>] [-a] <bitmap file>
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14.59.07 #       <c0utta> -i <id>     Bitmap name (default is filename without extension)
14.59.16 #       <c0utta> -a          Show ascii picture of bitmap
15.00.55 #       <Neurosupherot> thx a lot!!
15.00.57 #       <Ka_> with all of the conversions to the video file to make it an rvf i screwed up the file extension on the last conversion.. i had rfv instead of rvf :)
15.01.17 #       <Ka_> it was a late night when i did it.. i was tired :)
15.02.34 #       <c0utta> i've never done an rvf so i'm only able to answer easy questions
15.02.58 #       <Ka_> i'm still wondering if there is a full document though..
15.03.10 #       <Ka_> just to make sure i'm not missing anything..
15.03.26 #       <Ka_> all i found was the video file conversion faq.
15.03.47 #       <c0utta> that's all i know too: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/rvf.html
15.04.00 #       <c0utta> otherwise you'd have to look at the source code
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15.26.48 #       <ruckzuck> hi
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20.35.59 #       <Articrono> Hello.. I had a question about the Rockbox firmware?
20.36.50 #       <mattzz|busy> go ahead
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20.37.02 #       <Articrono> I have this unit: http://archos.com/products/prw_500425_specs.html
20.37.08 #       <Articrono> And I was wondering if it was compatible?
20.37.26 #       <MT> no
20.37.30 #       <Articrono> Damn.
20.37.36 #       <Articrono> Oh well. Thanks.
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20.37.46 #       <MT> avos.sf.net
20.38.53 #       <mattzz> that guy left too fast
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20.40.43 #       <Neurosupherot> what are the new freatures in the 2.2?
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20.42.04 #       <diddystar5> Neurosupherot, lots of things
20.42.43 #       <mattzz> http://rockbox.haxx.se/since-2.1.html
20.42.46 #       <diddystar5> some big things are the video player and dynamic playlist viewer
20.42.54 #       <diddystar5> but there are many new things
20.43.07 #       <diddystar5> mattzz, good on!
20.43.10 #       <diddystar5> *one
20.43.49 #       <mattzz> even better: http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/rockbox-2.2-notes.txt
20.45.21 #       <diddystar5> Neurosupherot, you should definitly upgrade to 2.2, i would even just grab the daily build instead
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20.47.19 #       <mattzz> you're welcome...
20.47.47 #       <diddystar5> yea      lol
20.48.11 #       <diddystar5> mattzz, Francois Boucher
20.48.11 #       <diddystar5>       is that you name?
20.48.22 #       <mattzz> nope
20.48.39 #       <diddystar5> huh you need your name added!
20.48.47 #       <diddystar5> tell Linus or someone about it
20.49.03 #       <mattzz> it allready has been added
20.49.09 #       <mattzz> :)
20.49.14 #       <diddystar5> ohh  just not for 2.2...
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21.21.01 #       <diddystar5> hi Neurosupherot
21.21.31 #       <Neurosupherot> hi
21.22.07 #       <diddystar5> did you get 2.2?
21.22.20 #       <Neurosupherot> not yet
21.22.28 #       <Neurosupherot> i havnt winzip on this pc
21.22.34 #       <diddystar5> ohh
21.22.39 #       <Neurosupherot> this is not really my pc
21.22.42 #       <diddystar5> what windows are you on?
21.23.39 #       <Neurosupherot> nt
21.23.45 #       <diddystar5> ok
21.23.45 #       <Neurosupherot> but i am not the admin
21.23.48 #       <diddystar5> http://7-zip.org/
21.23.50 #       <Neurosupherot> then i cant installl it
21.23.58 #       <diddystar5> i dont think you have to be admin to run it
21.24.01 #       <diddystar5> i can test...
21.26.05 #       <diddystar5> that didn't work
21.26.11 #       <diddystar5> but winrar did
21.26.25 #       <diddystar5> you can get winrar here: http://www.oldversion.com/downloadx/winrar320.exe
21.26.44 #       <diddystar5> (its' the olde rand free version, but still good)
21.27.06 #       <diddystar5> just install it where you have permission (like desktop/winrar will work most likly)
21.28.25 #       <diddystar5> you get it?
21.28.57 #       <Neurosupherot> have you already used bmp2rb.exe?
21.29.08 #       <Neurosupherot> i dont know how to use it
21.29.19 #       <diddystar5> yes
21.29.28 #       <diddystar5> what do you want to do with it?
21.29.42 #       <diddystar5> just make a output?
21.30.11 #       <Neurosupherot> convert bm) files
21.30.23 #       <Neurosupherot> to 0x32 0x6b etc
21.31.43 #       <diddystar5> i think it was bmp2rb -i bmpfile > outfile
21.31.56 #       <diddystar5> or bmp2rb -i bmpfile < outfile
21.32.00 #       <diddystar5> something like that
21.32.08 #       <Neurosupherot> yes but it still have errors
21.32.15 #       <diddystar5> like what?
21.32.20 #       <Neurosupherot> my bmp is 2 bits, black and white
21.32.33 #       <diddystar5> you need to to be monochrome
21.32.39 #       <diddystar5> (1 bit)
21.32.41 #       <Neurosupherot> and it tells me that its more than 8 bit, get 256
21.32.54 #       <Neurosupherot> or 1 buit
21.32.59 #       <diddystar5> im not really sure about that
21.33.07 #       <Neurosupherot> i have tried everything
21.33.26 #       <Neurosupherot> maybe an too old version
21.33.28 #       <diddystar5> you can start with the pic in /uisimulator/x11/archos
21.33.42 #       <diddystar5> and maybe if you start there and save it as monochrome it will work
21.34.37 #       <diddystar5> I have to go       good luck getting it to work
21.34.49 #       <Neurosupherot> then i must put the bmp2rb.exe in this folder
21.34.55 #       <Neurosupherot> thx +
21.35.01 #       <diddystar5> ok     bye
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