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01.21.10 #       <stevenm> Are any developers on ?
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01.42.55 #       <mattzz> hi
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01.54.39 #       <hardeep> Heya mattzz!  That metronome you wrote is very cool (and handy). :)
01.54.51 #       <mattzz> hardeep: thanx ;-)
01.54.53 #       <hardeep> stevenm: I'm a developer
01.56.35 #       <mattzz> hardeep: I am still looking for a nice "tock" sound (in addition to the "tick" that is in place)
01.56.56 #       <mattzz> hardeep: So that we will have a "tick"-"tock"  finally ;-)
01.57.58 #       <hardeep> heh, well what's there is already good enough for me. :)
02.04.07 #       <stevenm> Hi all
02.04.16 #       <stevenm> Tried the talkbox, very nice
02.04.38 #       <stevenm> the reason I'm here- I happen to have an RC8650 voice synthesis board
02.05.07 #       <hardeep> stevenm: have you tried the new voice ui that [IDC]Dragon implemented?  It's very cool
02.05.10 #       <stevenm> it's got a bunch of voice parameters, and I managed to get it to synthesize a bunch of fun stuff, esp the "zero wing" voice
02.05.33 #       <stevenm> hardeep, not the new one.. i have the daily build version, not bleeding edge
02.05.46 #       <stevenm> point is.. if you guys need voices, I've got a nice synth here I can use
02.06.30 #       <hardeep> stevenm: please send a message on the mailing list.  I'm sure people will be interested
02.06.59 #       <stevenm> hardeep, which specific mailing list ?
02.07.50 #       <hardeep> stevenm: the rockbox development list at http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox
02.08.08 #       <stevenm> hardeep, thanks
02.08.19 #       <stevenm> also, approx. how many distinct voice clips are there
02.09.11 #       <mattzz> stevenm: > 300, I think
02.09.28 #       <mattzz> stevenm: check the .lang files, you will find the strings there
02.09.30 #       <hardeep> stevenm: hmmmm, apps/lang/english.lang has ~350 strings..
02.10.08 #       <stevenm> Dang
02.10.09 #       <hardeep> although not all of those will require voice clips
02.10.19 #       <stevenm> this is really cool
02.10.34 #       <stevenm> what other mp3 player speaks its menu? IPOD? :)
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03.00.18 #       <hardeep> stevenm: i think there's already a patch on the tracker to do this
03.00.33 #       <stevenm> hardeep, cool
03.01.09 #       <hardeep> there's also a patch to search a file which would do the same thing when used in conjunction with the "Create Playlist" functionality
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03.21.00 #       <diddystar5> hi lunchbox
03.21.37 #       <Lunchbox> hey
03.22.26 #       <Lunchbox> is it not as safe to flash if you have a "_norom" chip
03.22.48 #       <diddystar5> you meanflash = ?? ??
03.22.49 #       <diddystar5> ?
03.24.48 #       <Lunchbox> yeah
03.24.54 #       <Lunchbox> well
03.24.58 #       <Lunchbox> not exactly
03.25.01 #       <Lunchbox> its uhh
03.25.18 #       <Lunchbox> 0x0302
03.25.27 #       <Lunchbox> mask
03.25.32 #       <Lunchbox> or is that not what you mean
03.26.12 #       <diddystar5> it may work i dont know
03.26.19 #       <diddystar5> there is one version that wil work
03.26.22 #       <diddystar5> you can try it
03.26.36 #       <diddystar5> it it want flash, then you cant do it :)
03.26.47 #       <diddystar5> the flashing thing cheaks the flash to see if it can
03.27.07 #       <Lunchbox> it says it will flash, I just don't wanna kill my box
03.27.20 #       <diddystar5> i wouldn't worry
03.27.20 #       <Lunchbox> that would be bad :-(
03.27.33 #       <diddystar5> it just seems to be scary, but really isn't
03.28.08 #       <diddystar5> i have only heard of one case where flashing failed, but i think the guys box was ok
03.29.06 #       <Lunchbox> I have flashed on a V2 and a jukebox, but this is a recorder, and i was reading up and it says that the UART bootmod doesn't work with the _norom variant, so it just scared me a little
03.29.33 #       <diddystar5> humm your choice! i would do it
03.30.12 #       <Lunchbox> yeah i just wish there was a safety net that's all
03.30.54 #       <Lunchbox> aww what the heck
03.30.56 #       <Lunchbox> here goes
03.31.01 #       <diddystar5> :)
03.31.46 #       <Lunchbox> yayaya
03.32.04 #       <Lunchbox> it says it verified
03.32.25 #       <diddystar5> goody!
03.32.43 #       <diddystar5> workek?
03.32.48 #       <diddystar5> workeed?
03.32.51 #       <diddystar5> argh
03.32.53 #       <diddystar5> worked
03.32.53 #       <Lunchbox> haha
03.33.00 #       <Lunchbox> I'm restarting now
03.33.13 #       <Lunchbox> do you have to unplug to restart?
03.33.19 #       <diddystar5> yes
03.33.29 #       <Lunchbox> I'm halfway through recharging :-/
03.35.01 #       <Lunchbox> saweet sweet sweet
03.35.10 #       <Lunchbox> time to finish charging
03.35.16 #       <diddystar5> cool :)
03.35.47 #       <Lunchbox> i read that the new cvs version is faster at booting, is that true?
03.35.58 #       <diddystar5> i don't really know
03.36.02 #       <diddystar5> are you on 2.2?
03.36.06 #       <Lunchbox> yeah
03.36.20 #       <diddystar5> i would upgrade to a daily, yes
03.36.25 #       <diddystar5> it is certainly better
03.36.38 #       <Lunchbox> is today pretty stable?
03.37.00 #       <diddystar5> should be
03.37.18 #       <diddystar5> if you mean it want crash on you or nothing
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03.37.42 #       <diddystar5> but the new voice menu thing may have alittle bug in it or something
03.37.45 #       <diddystar5> MID! yes
03.37.52 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
03.38.10 #       <midknight2k3> jackpot
03.38.23 #       <diddystar5> mid open a dialoug, chat is buged up rig ht now
03.38.50 #       <Lunchbox> the voice bug only occurs when using voice right, not just in normal operation?
03.39.29 #       <diddystar5> im not saying there is     but no you shouldn't se anything wrong with normal use
03.39.53 #       <Lunchbox> cool thanks for the help!
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03.46.40 #       <diddystar5> well your welcome
03.47.02 #       <diddystar5> i honestly never used a real version since 1.2 :)
03.47.17 #       <diddystar5> daily's are always better
03.47.37 #       <diddystar5> and usually just as stable and less bugy
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03.57.05 #       <Lunchbox> hey diddystar, back so soon?
03.57.47 #       <diddystar5> uhh yea
03.58.30 #       <Lunchbox> btw, know any good chip8 games?
03.59.00 #       <Lunchbox> or a web repository other than the one listed in the docs?
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04.36.22 #       <EdmarWork> heyas all
04.36.40 #       <EdmarWork> is the first time i visit this channel
04.36.53 #       <diddystar5> hey there
04.37.05 #       <EdmarWork> to the rockbox project creators, all i have to say is "FRIGGING IMPRESSIVE" 
04.37.53 #       <EdmarWork> i saw a friend Archos Jukebox running rockbox and i was "WOW"
04.38.02 #       <diddystar5> cool :)
04.38.07 #       <EdmarWork> unfortunately i dont have an Archos :(
04.38.12 #       <diddystar5> ohh
04.38.31 #       <EdmarWork> actually i just ordered an iRiver iHP-140, 370 dollars thru Slickdeals
04.39.16 #       <EdmarWork> so just wanted to beg like there's no tomorrow for Rockbox for iRiver iHP series, plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!!!!!! hehehehehe
04.39.40 #       <diddystar5> sorry, can't happen
04.39.49 #       <EdmarWork> really? why is that?
04.39.58 #       <diddystar5> totaly differn't hardware
04.40.30 #       <EdmarWork> i know
04.40.50 #       <diddystar5> for a few things the screen is going to be totaly differn't, it will have totaly differn't CPU architechture...
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04.40.56 #       <EdmarWork> but well, you can always start with another hardware lol
04.41.06 #       <diddystar5> and the mpeg  decoding is a totaly differn't chip
04.41.12 #       <EdmarWork> hmmmm
04.41.29 #       <diddystar5> EdmarWork, with a lot of work it could be done
04.41.38 #       <EdmarWork> yea i understand
04.42.06 #       <diddystar5> well i have to go dude
04.42.08 #       <diddystar5> see you
04.42.16 #       <EdmarWork> well, i'll keep praying
04.42.17 #       <EdmarWork> lol
04.42.22 #       <EdmarWork> take care diddy
04.42.34 #       <diddystar5> ok :)
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04.43.05 #       <midknight2k3> bye
04.43.51 #       <EdmarWork> i have heard lot of comments from other Archos users that would be willing to switch to an iRIver iHP eyes closed, but only if Rockbox is done for it
04.44.07 #       <EdmarWork> and is totally understandable
04.44.22 #       <EdmarWork> Rockbox plain kicks ass, no question about it
04.45.05 #       <EdmarWork> well, back to work i go, take care all...
04.46.54 #       <midknight2k3> ttyl
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04.52.18 #       <gonja> hi all... i just got a v2 and flashed it with rockbox.... whenever i plug in the DC charger while its off... the archos won't come on or charge... anyone heard of this type of problem?  i reflashed back to the original archos firmware and it still won't boot with DC power... wondering if i fried my archos =(
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08.25.20 #       <discord> hello
08.25.27 #       <discord> i looked in the FAQ
08.25.48 #       <discord> can anyone help me mount the rockbox?
08.26.19 #       <discord> do I need to load a module?
08.28.32 #       <discord> anybody wanna help me?
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08.34.22 #       <discord> okay
08.34.28 #       <discord> figure it out myself
08.34.36 #       <matsl> discord: good!
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09.27.37 #       <LinusN> hola Bagder_
09.27.41 #       <Bagder_> morning
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09.58.45 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i'm reviewing the newkeys doc
09.59.08 #       <Bagder> it probably needs some updates to reflect our current reality
09.59.36 #       <LinusN> i think we should be able to leave the menu with the same key that was used to enter it
10.00.01 #       <Bagder> that's probably wise, yes
10.00.16 #       <LinusN> maybe add newkeys to cvs?
10.00.25 #       <Bagder> indeeed
10.00.33 #       <Bagder> docs! 
10.00.34 #       <Bagder> ;-)
10.00.37 #       <LinusN> and call it ui_policy or something?
10.01.41 #       <Bagder> sounds fair
10.02.54 #       <LinusN> ok
10.03.57 #       <LinusN> docs/UI-POLICY it is
10.08.10 #       <LinusN> hmmm, policy...
10.08.54 #       <LinusN> it's a kind of transitional document anyway
10.09.03 #       <Bagder> yes
10.09.20 #       <Bagder> or at least we should update it as we move along
10.09.22 #       <LinusN> i'll call it NEWKEYS, when we're done with the changes the doc will be obsolete anyway
10.10.44 #       <LinusN> i wonder if we should use "..." or something in nested menus
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10.40.26 #       <LinusN|busy> c0utta: i looked at your code
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10.41.31 #       <c0utta> and..
10.41.39 #       <c0utta> you hate it ??
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10.42.10 #       <LinusN> looks ok, but it still loads the menu dynamically, every time
10.42.24 #       <c0utta> at this stage it does.  i'm aware of that
10.43.17 #       <c0utta> when it comes time to patch it'll only load once
10.43.58 #       <LinusN> if the action codes are sequential, there would be no need to search in the actions[] array
10.44.19 #       <c0utta> good timing - that's exactly what i'm doing now!
10.44.24 #       <LinusN> i.e the index is the same as the action code
10.44.29 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.44.57 #       <c0utta> has there been a decision about the contents of the f2 menu ?
10.45.09 #       <LinusN> you mean the default?
10.45.56 #       <c0utta> yes - it will dictate which function i do first
10.46.05 #       <c0utta> functions
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10.46.22 #       <LinusN> i haven't really though about that
10.47.25 #       <LinusN> you have a run_plugin() action?
10.47.43 #       <c0utta> not yet, but that's the next one i'll be doing
10.48.47 #       <LinusN> i think "Add to favorites" will be popular, for instance
10.48.52 #       <c0utta> during my testing i had plugins loading dynamically
10.49.05 #       <c0utta> "add to favourites" was one, as well as tetris
10.49.35 #       <c0utta> just by editing the f2 file i could load anything
10.49.55 #       <LinusN> nice
10.50.17 #       <c0utta> do you still dislike my idea about making f3 configurable ?
10.50.45 #       <LinusN> the idea is good, but we see too many practical problems
10.51.17 #       <LinusN> however, if we add a good "revert" option in the f1 menu...
10.51.28 #       <c0utta> i'll look into it
10.51.49 #       <c0utta> i am starting to convert all the menus tonight
10.51.51 #       <LinusN> i'm adding a nice button bar in the menu code btw...
10.52.24 #       <LinusN> so there will be a slight change in the menu initialization
10.52.34 #       <c0utta> in menu_init ?
10.52.40 #       <LinusN> yes
10.52.44 #       <c0utta> np
10.53.24 #       <c0utta> i thought about having a setting in the keypad map file - like an "advanced" mode
10.53.37 #       <c0utta> this would allow you to configure anything
10.53.58 #       <LinusN> "anything"?
10.54.07 #       <c0utta> you probably saw in action.c
10.54.08 #       <c0utta> if( line[ 0 ] == '#')
10.54.09 #       <c0utta> configurable = (!strcasecmp(line, "#configure=yes"));
10.54.31 #       <LinusN> didn't look that close
10.54.48 #       <c0utta> this allows sorting/deleting of menu items
10.54.54 #       <c0utta> the main reason for the callback
10.55.50 #       <c0utta> "anything" means any keypress in any context
10.56.19 #       <c0utta> could be tied to an action
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10.57.16 #       <LinusN> mattzz: hi
10.57.27 #       <mattzz> godd morning :)
10.57.36 #       <LinusN> love your metronome
10.57.44 #       <mattzz> thanx ;-)
10.57.56 #       <LinusN> onw question though: why do you mute it for every keypress?
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10.58.26 #       <LinusN> c0utta: i'd stick with the "regular" configurability for now
10.58.52 #       <mattzz> First I recalculated remaining time to next tock. But did not give me a right feeling.
10.59.11 #       <LinusN> it's very annoying when you alter the volume
10.59.19 #       <LinusN> "right feeling"?
11.00.20 #       <mattzz> LinusN: OK, for volume it's worth a look. I will check. "right feeling" means it had a wrong timing.
11.00.35 #       <mattzz> the accuracy just was not high enough, maybe
11.00.44 #       <LinusN> but wasn't that a bug in the calculation?
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11.01.16 #       <mattzz> LinusN: maybe it was a bug. Lemme check
11.01.42 #       * mattzz wants sound in the simulator
11.11.01 #       <mattzz> LinusN: now I remember, why it did not feel right ;-) If the remaining time is recalculated it will lead to a blocking bahaviour, i.e. keys will be polled with every "tock", which is annoying.
11.12.28 #       <LinusN> why would it?
11.13.44 #       <mattzz> because the frequency of "switch (rb->button_get_w_tmo(time_to_next_tock))" would be always 60sec/bpm
11.14.49 #       <mattzz> Currently I am polling the buttons only once a period
11.15.06 #       <LinusN> why?
11.15.21 #       <LinusN> i thought you used button_get_w_tmo()?
11.15.57 #       <LinusN> just reduce the timeout with the time that has passed
11.16.16 #       <LinusN> since the last tock
11.16.57 #       <LinusN> the current tile is in *rb->current_tick
11.17.04 #       <LinusN> s/tile/tick/
11.17.14 #       <mattzz> This will produce many tocks if the buttons stays pressed
11.17.34 #       <LinusN> no
11.17.44 #       <Bagder> not if there's time left until next tock
11.17.54 #       <mattzz> right
11.18.19 #       * Bagder dives in
11.18.29 #       * mattzz waits for the coffee to blast my tired brain
11.18.50 #       <mattzz> I will fix it
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11.20.35 #       <LinusN> great
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11.24.59 #       <mattzz> LinusN: BTW, I reduced calculation time for a mandelbrot-set on AJBR20 to 3,5 seconds  
11.26.32 #       <mattzz> screenshot is on http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockBox
11.26.57 #       <Bagder> wooo
11.27.25 #       <LinusN> you should add grayscales :-)
11.27.28 #       <Bagder> no greyscales?
11.27.31 #       * Bagder laughs
11.28.17 #       <mattzz> not yet - I was thinking about that already. Will have to talk to Joerg. 
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11.29.14 #       <LinusN> we won't accept the patch until then :-)
11.29.41 #       <mattzz> now I actually _do_ feel some kind of pressure ;-)
11.31.51 #       <Bagder> can we get sound too? ;-P
11.32.41 #       <mattzz> Any sound you like. Just play a mp3 file and enter the plugin..... whew, that was a close one :)
11.34.05 #       <Bagder> oh right, I forgot, its an mp3 player!
11.35.40 #       <mattzz> It's damn cool that the archos guys put a MAS somewhere on the PCB, isn't it?
11.39.36 #       <Bagder> must've been one of those last-minute changes
11.40.02 #       <Bagder> food time!
11.40.12 #       <mattzz> definitively food time!
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12.18.40 #       <c0utta> ok - plugins are done
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13.19.46 #       <c0utta> linus, i've submitted a patch to allow a parameter to be passed to favorites.rock designating an alternative file name
13.20.34 #       <LinusN|busy> aha
13.20.44 #       <c0utta> hey, you're busy!
13.20.48 #       <LinusN|busy> ooops
13.21.12 #       <c0utta> simple patch, but allows flexibility
13.21.21 #       <LinusN|busy> good for "mark-for-deletion"
13.21.27 #       <c0utta> exactly
13.21.34 #       <c0utta> mark-for-ripping
13.22.08 #       <c0utta> standard functionality is still there if you don't pass a parameter
13.22.23 #       <c0utta> \favorites.m3u
13.23.47 #       <LinusN|busy> looks good
13.23.48 #       <c0utta> gotta go - i'll check the patch tracker tomorrow :)
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13.43.59 #       <mattzz> LinusN: Which timer IRQ is free for usage?
13.44.23 #       <mattzz> LinusN: Any starting point where I should look in the SH-1 manual?
13.44.37 #       <LinusN> mattzz: what is your goal?
13.44.54 #       <LinusN> timer 2,3,4 should be free, iirc
13.45.49 #       <mattzz> I fixed the metronome. But I noticed that "ticks" give me a very bad granularity. I.e. 199 bpm and 120 bpm result in the same number of ticks.
13.46.39 #       <mattzz> So I want to trigger the sound in the irq-handler of a timer interrupt
13.46.40 #       <LinusN> 100 ticks per second
13.47.06 #       <LinusN> should be enough
13.48.09 #       <Bagder> 6000/120 and 6000/119 both are 50
13.48.38 #       <mattzz> right. and when it comes to higher bpm rates it's getting worse
13.48.44 #       <Bagder> 50.0 and 50.42 to be exact
13.49.23 #       <mattzz> 194bpm up to 200 bpm result in 30 ticks
13.50.33 #       <LinusN> ah
13.50.44 #       <mattzz> I will have a look into video.c and the manual to figure out how to set up a timer for this.
13.51.45 #       <mattzz> maybe we should provide an API function for timer-irqs, or is there already something in place?
13.52.20 #       <Bagder> a function or two would be nice
13.52.41 #       <LinusN> but is it really an irq that you want?
13.53.12 #       <mattzz> I want better timing granularity
13.53.36 #       <LinusN> so perhaps a timed callback would be enough?
13.53.43 #       <LinusN> using a hires timer
13.54.09 #       <mattzz> yup, I just don't know what the SH-1 or the rockbox OS do offer
13.54.51 #       <LinusN> we don't offer anything like that today, maybe tomorrow :-)
13.55.31 #       <mattzz> I understand a timer IRQ to be something like a timed callback
13.55.41 #       <LinusN> even simpler, how about a function that can send a message after a specified time?
13.56.53 #       <mattzz> what do you mean by "sending a message"?
13.57.05 #       * mattzz is not too deep into rockbox OS yet
13.57.06 #       <LinusN> to the button queue
13.57.55 #       <mattzz> I like the idea of a rough, independent running timer better
13.57.56 #       <LinusN> msg_send_delayed(&button_queue, msg_id, time_in_ms);
13.58.13 #       <LinusN> an independent timer whioch you would poll?
13.58.52 #       <mattzz> no, an OS independent timer that has an IRQ-handler routine
13.59.05 #       <mattzz> (meaning a hardware timer)
13.59.17 #       <LinusN> redirecting an IRQ vector to a plugin is not feasible
13.59.35 #       <mattzz> video.c does it as I understood that
14.00.44 #       <LinusN> i know, but i'm not too happy about that
14.01.50 #       <LinusN> the plugins are not supposed to "bang on the hardware" directly
14.02.06 #       <LinusN> but unfortunately some of them do
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14.09.25 #       <LinusN> i'd rather have a more hw independent API
14.10.47 #       <mattzz> some hires timed thing would be nice
14.11.07 #       <mattzz> hw independent sounds right
14.11.44 #       <LinusN> yeah, we just have to figure out a good way of doing it
14.11.57 #       <LinusN> a delayed message in the queue
14.12.00 #       <LinusN> or a callback
14.12.10 #       <LinusN> or?
14.13.47 #       <mattzz> a timed callback sounds nice to me as I am not familiar with your message queue concepts.
14.14.09 #       <LinusN> well you are using it with button_get()
14.14.26 #       <LinusN> what would happen is that you get a new message to switch on
14.15.06 #       <LinusN> like "case SYS_TIMEOUT" or something
14.16.08 #       <LinusN> button_get() uses a message queue
14.17.15 #       <mattzz> Is the queue management running on tick-basis?
14.18.44 #       <LinusN> no
14.20.23 #       <Bagder> perhaps we could just provide a usleep() that hides all the timer interrupt logic
14.21.06 #       <LinusN> sleep is not nice at all in the metronome plugin
14.21.19 #       <LinusN> then it can't respond to button events
14.21.27 #       <Bagder> true
14.21.51 #       <Bagder> it's just a very simple api
14.24.27 #       <mattzz> Is there any timing jitter possible in delayed messages?
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14.25.24 #       <LinusN> yes, the scheduler takes time, of course
14.26.11 #       <mattzz> I was just wondering if video.c could live with something like that, too.
14.27.09 #       <LinusN> not sure
14.27.40 #       <LinusN> in the video case, a callback in irq context is probably the best
14.28.00 #       <LinusN> but the latency should be quite low
14.28.14 #       <LinusN> all other threads should be sleeping
14.29.41 #       <LinusN> so it should be a matter of microseconds
14.30.09 #       <mattzz> ok, that's neglectable
14.30.39 #       <LinusN> i guess you can live with up to a millisecond as well?
14.30.50 #       <mattzz> msg_send_delayed(&queue, msg_id, time_in_ms); sounds most reasonable then
14.30.56 #       <mattzz> yes
14.31.20 #       <LinusN> it would be even better if we could set up a repeated msg_send
14.31.35 #       <LinusN> then the timing would not drift
14.32.48 #       <mattzz> could be a boolean parameter whether to repeat this msg or not
14.32.55 #       <LinusN> yes
14.35.35 #       <LinusN> i'll work on that soonish
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14.35.44 #       <mattzz> nice - thanks!
14.36.41 #       <mattzz> meanwhile I will put a patch for the metronome in the tracker.
14.37.07 #       <LinusN> nice
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15.43.53 #       <quelsaruk> good afternoon
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15.56.28 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, do you know if [idc]-dragon is coming here today?
15.56.38 #       <Bagder> no idea
15.56.53 #       <scunner> what's this "voicefont" cvs i been reading about.  you need cvs knowhow to run it?  programmers knowhow?  confused.
15.57.15 #       <Bagder> you need a very recent daily build
15.57.39 #       <scunner> is that implemented on the recent build then?
15.57.46 #       <quelsaruk> scunner, you have to download that voicefont file from [idc]-dragon website, afaik
15.58.10 #       <scunner> is that the executable file?
15.58.29 #       <Bagder> no, that's the voice file only
15.58.41 #       <Bagder> the voice code is in the daily build
15.59.11 #       <scunner> ??what's it called?
15.59.49 #       <quelsaruk> scunner, the code? is already implemented in rockbox (is that the question??)
16.00.26 #       <scunner> yes.  but i still need the font file right?
16.00.31 #       <quelsaruk> yes
16.00.49 #       <quelsaruk> you need a recent build to have the code
16.00.51 #       <scunner> okeedokee.  thanks.
16.01.00 #       <quelsaruk> and the voicefont so your box can speak
16.01.02 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.01.09 #       <scunner> cool.
16.01.36 #       <scunner> i just slam the font into .rockbox?
16.02.00 #       <Bagder> yes, for now
16.02.15 #       <scunner> okay. thanks again.
16.02.21 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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16.35.16 #       <hardeep> heya
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16.45.04 #       <scunner> i guess i'm still confused.   there's a voicefont (no extension) voicefont.exe and voicefont.cpp in the download section.  do they all get moved to the .rockbox folder?
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16.46.01 #       <Bagder> only the no-extension file
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16.46.34 #       <scunner> that gets saved as a txt.  do i have to change the extension?
16.46.43 #       <silencer> does the voicefont works ?
16.46.53 #       <Bagder> scunner: don't save it as "txt"
16.47.01 #       <Bagder> silencer: yes, in recent code
16.47.12 #       <silencer> recent meand today ?
16.47.17 #       <silencer> -d+s
16.47.20 #       <Bagder> yes, afaik
16.47.28 #       <Bagder> or possibly bleeding edge
16.48.09 #       <scunner> no, it does not.  i must be doing something wrong.
16.48.29 #       <scunner> it save ti as a txt by default.
16.48.31 #       <Bagder> multiple persons already said it works
16.48.42 #       <Bagder> scunner: "it" being a stupid browser
16.49.00 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, bleeding edge and today's daily build (as it was commited yesterday) ;)
16.49.08 #       <Bagder> ok, thanks
16.49.35 #       <scunner> dit doesn't go into a sub dir in .rockbox does it?
16.49.40 #       <scunner> it.
16.49.48 #       <quelsaruk> first time i'm useful to the mighty and great Bagder!!!
16.49.56 #       <Bagder> scunner: it will
16.50.04 #       <Bagder> scunner: and it'll get an extension too
16.50.04 #       <quelsaruk> scunner, right now in .rockbox
16.51.41 #       <scunner> i'll try some things.  be right back.  thanks
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16.54.21 #       <silencer> funny this voicefont !
16.55.06 #       <silencer> no customusation is yet possible, isnt it ?
16.55.27 #       <quelsaruk> hmm
16.55.45 #       <quelsaruk> i think the .exe file is for that, but not sure
16.56.00 #       <silencer> well, i mean un the internal menus
16.56.17 #       <quelsaruk> not yet
16.56.26 #       <silencer> ok !
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16.56.29 #       <quelsaruk> that's a first release
16.56.55 #       <silencer> i see
16.57.02 #       <deadite66> it's funny the way it says ploogins rather than plug ins
16.57.47 #       <silencer> is not anything said before the 'ploogins' ?
16.57.49 #       <quelsaruk> deadite66 did you try virtualdubmod to create a rvf??
16.58.17 #       <deadite66> yes
16.59.14 #       <deadite66> audio streams menu is a bit different in the mod version
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17.01.46 #       <deadite66> silencer it says "browse ploogins"
17.01.57 #       <quelsaruk> i don't care that.. my problem is that i always get a "unable to find frame in AVI file" when using avitoyuv on the modiffied file using virtualdubmod
17.02.29 #       <silencer> deadite66: right :)
17.02.40 #       <deadite66> are you saving as uncompressed avi
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17.05.02 #       <quelsaruk> yes, uncompressed avi and using the resize filter to create a 112x64 fiel
17.05.04 #       <quelsaruk> file
17.05.57 #       <deadite66> hmm, dunno just tried it worked fine for me
17.08.12 #       <quelsaruk> strange
17.08.52 #       <quelsaruk> i liked the software, and was using it for the rfv HOWTO, but... just if i can make a rvf ;)
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17.35.34 #       <X0ner8> I've got a sound level question...rockbox vs. Archos software...anyone care to comment?
17.37.13 #       <quelsaruk> shoot
17.37.27 #       <quelsaruk> i'll answer if i know how to ;)
17.37.53 #       <X0ner8> I've jsut installed rockbox, and it sounds to me like to volume levels are radically reduced compared to the 'stock' config
17.38.46 #       <quelsaruk> not really, the difference is that archos uses just some sound range, while rockbox uses a more wide range
17.39.10 #       <quelsaruk> that is.. a 70% in rockbox may be like a 20% in archos, while the 100% in both is the same
17.40.03 #       <quelsaruk> at least, that is what I understood ;)
17.40.39 #       <X0ner8> That example corresponds well to what I thought I was hearing...thanks for the insight
17.41.00 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.41.38 #       <quelsaruk> another thing that comes to my mind
17.42.07 #       <X0ner8> yes...
17.42.30 #       <quelsaruk> i read once that with volumes 90% and higher, you don't get good sound quality
17.42.40 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know how to explain in english.. sorry
17.42.50 #       <quelsaruk> i hope you get the idea
17.42.51 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.44.31 #       <X0ner8> Generally, I do not have the volume up very much, and the quality is excellent
17.44.50 #       <quelsaruk> i usually have a 70%
17.45.27 #       <X0ner8> However, in particular when flying, I run the level up, but then there's enough background noise that I can't evaluate quality
17.46.12 #       <X0ner8> Right now I have ~65%, and I seem to think that corresponds to ~20% in the Archos software
17.46.35 #       <quelsaruk> you should read the manual, as there are some interesting things, like customizing the "while playing screen", or creating config files... apart from all key combos and so on :)
17.47.32 #       <X0ner8> Done...just wish I could flash rockbox...need a hardware mod that I am not sure I want to take on...
17.48.04 #       <quelsaruk> you don't need anything
17.48.17 #       <X0ner8> What do you mean?
17.48.24 #       <quelsaruk> except your box doesn't have a flashable rom :)
17.49.04 #       <X0ner8> yes...I could replace the rom, but I'm not sure I want to take the chance of blowing it.
17.49.06 #       <quelsaruk> i mean, for a normal box, you just have to use a special rockbox version to flash rockbox
17.49.49 #       <quelsaruk> so i suppose you took a look in debug-->hardware and your box is not flashable :(
17.50.01 #       <X0ner8> yes...
17.50.05 #       <quelsaruk> sorry
17.50.58 #       <X0ner8> Oh well, maybe I'll try to find a new one, and then dump the one i have,,,
17.51.21 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
17.51.41 #       <X0ner8> sucker born every minute...
17.55.26 #       <X0ner8> I did not see a very complete description of the audio level differences in the manual...perhaps this would be a good addition for a future version
17.59.17 #       <quelsaruk> or in the FAQ
17.59.18 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.59.22 #       <quelsaruk> maybe it's there
17.59.25 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know
17.59.29 #       <quelsaruk> i'll check
17.59.32 #       <quelsaruk> have to go
17.59.34 #       <quelsaruk> bbl!
17.59.35 #       <quelsaruk> cu!
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17.59.44 #       <X0ner8> I looked, but did not see it
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18.17.26 #       <quelsaruk> don't think so
18.17.33 #       <quelsaruk> was here before
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18.33.56 #       <scunner> yeah, my beowser keeps saving the voicefont file as a text file.  is this suppose to be?
18.34.46 #       <scunner> browser...
18.35.36 #       <AlexF> on which site?
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18.36.05 #       <quelsaruk> umm
18.36.14 #       <scunner> joerg's
18.36.15 #       <quelsaruk> scunner, using ie?
18.36.21 #       <scunner> yes
18.36.43 #       <scunner> win xp
18.37.18 #       <quelsaruk> try saying "save as" and in the dialog window, in the "extenison" choose "all file formats" (or something like that) as you have by default .txt file extension
18.37.36 #       <scunner> kay.
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18.40.07 #       <scunner> it's telling me it's saving voicefont.txt even though i chose "all files".  waiting for completion.
18.43.55 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm
18.44.26 #       <scunner> yeah, still a text file.  huh.
18.44.27 #       <quelsaruk> choose "all files" and check if the name includes the .txt extension, if so, remove the extension.
18.44.29 #       <quelsaruk> anyway
18.44.29 #       <elinenbe> http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews4575.html
18.44.31 #       <elinenbe> wow!
18.44.48 #       <quelsaruk> try just removing the extension, it may work ;)
18.45.17 #       <quelsaruk> elinenbe, rockbox??
18.45.28 #       <quelsaruk> but not real rockbox rockbox ;)
18.45.38 #       <scunner> there is no extension.  there must be a way to change it.
18.45.53 #       <quelsaruk> strange
18.46.26 #       <quelsaruk> i had the same problem (using ie too), but just changing the extension to all files and checking that the file did not have a .txt extension in the end...
18.46.33 #       <quelsaruk> and worked
18.47.17 #       <deadite66> use a proper browser http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
18.47.42 #       <quelsaruk> cvs is so slow...
18.47.45 #       <scunner> i'll try that.  thanks.
18.48.05 #       <quelsaruk> 30 minutes to get the website :(
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18.57.15 #       <quelsaruk> leaving!
18.57.16 #       <quelsaruk> cu
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18.58.15 #       <scunner> got it!  changed settign in folder options."hide file types"  pretty cool!
18.58.20 #       <scunner> setting.
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20.20.32 #       <Neurosupherot> anybody has aldready used bmp2eb.exe?
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20.21.34 #       <Neurosupherot> bmp3rb.exe
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20.23.54 #       <Neurosupherot> AciD`?
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21.03.47 #       <maikeul> hello
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21.08.05 #       <amiconn|code> Hi LinusN!
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21.10.42 #       <jorbond> lo
21.13.13 #       <jorbond> anyone want to try and help me fix a player problem
21.14.10 #       <LinusN> what is the problem?
21.14.14 #       <LinusN> amiconn|code: yo
21.15.30 #       <jorbond> well it will not boot up right
21.15.42 #       <LinusN> any error message?
21.15.45 #       <jorbond> i have to use on and play to even get it to try and boot
21.15.46 #       <jorbond> nope
21.15.56 #       <jorbond> if i use just on the red light will flash
21.16.32 #       <LinusN> are your batteries ok?
21.16.40 #       <LinusN> have you tried with another set?
21.16.41 #       <jorbond> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-03/0484.shtml
21.17.02 #       <jorbond> they should be since once i do get it to boot it showsa them as full
21.17.30 #       <LinusN> they can still be bad
21.17.52 #       <LinusN> booting problems usually have something to do with batteries
21.17.59 #       <jorbond> when i turn it on most of the time just the backlight comes on and it freezes there
21.18.09 #       <LinusN> either one or more bad cells, or broken battery contacts
21.18.12 #       <jorbond> but it will boot up sometimes and once it does the batteries will last like normal
21.18.37 #       <LinusN> does it help to squeeze the bumpers?
21.18.53 #       <LinusN> pushing the batteries together
21.18.56 #       <jorbond> nope
21.19.14 #       <LinusN> is it different when the charger is inserted?
21.19.31 #       <jorbond> when i plug in the charger it will just turn on the green liught and the backlight
21.19.42 #       <jorbond> it doesnt show the charging screen
21.21.13 #       <jorbond> and fdisk showed zero hdd problems
21.22.01 #       <LinusN> wow
21.22.06 #       <LinusN> odd problem
21.22.25 #       <jorbond> i have tried removing rockbox but it still does it
21.22.41 #       <LinusN> yeah, it sure sounds like a hardware problem
21.23.15 #       <jorbond> it dounds like something is loose but i am afraid to open it up and look at look inside as i dont want to break it more is 
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21.29.48 #       <LinusN> jorbond: you should probably let someone open up the box and find out what's wrong, preferrably someone with soldering skills
21.30.26 #       <jorbond> is the player hard to disassemble?
21.30.31 #       <jorbond> i know how to solder
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21.32.54 #       <amiconn> hi [IDC]Dragon!
21.33.17 #       <LinusN> jorbond: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/
21.33.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi guys
21.34.16 #       <amiconn> Hi Jörg! Already discovered my memset/memcpy patch?
21.35.28 #       <jorbond> i really hate archos lol, i should paid 100 more dollars and got an ipod
21.35.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> No, sorry. I looked yesterday for it last time.
21.36.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (I think)
21.36.19 #       <LinusN> jorbond: don't swear in the house of God :-)
21.36.51 #       <jorbond> hehe my bad
21.37.44 #       <amiconn> Did post it this morning. Have just prepared an optimized memcmp()  as a complement. Will file another patch for this.
21.38.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;)
21.38.23 #       <amiconn> Btw.: All three functions are tested for correctness with a test plugin.
21.38.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We couln't hold you back?
21.38.45 #       <amiconn> ??
21.39.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Well, memcmp is barely used at all
21.39.47 #       <amiconn> I know, but it was relatively easy (memcmp itself took me less than an hour).
21.40.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, do you read?
21.41.29 #       <amiconn> Perhaps it will be used a bit more in the future. For use in plugins it must of course be exposed to the plugin api at first (did this for my tests).
21.41.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, a bunch of string functions are missing there.
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21.43.07 #       <amiconn> Perhaps I can speed up bitswap (again).
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21.45.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you can?
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21.46.43 #       <amiconn> Don't know yet if it is possible, just have some ideas. Would be a bit larger, unfortunately :(
21.47.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> more unrolling, or what?
21.47.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> let me guess: a 64 kB lookup table?
21.48.34 #       <amiconn> More unrolling: yes (to longword). Additionally I'm thinking of a method to get rid of extu.b's (at least some of them).
21.49.00 #       <amiconn> 64k LUT: sure no! This wouldn't fit into IRAM ;-)
21.52.14 #       <amiconn> Sorry, have to reboot (this %&$§ Windows doesn't want me to rename a file).
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22.02.26 #       <track> hiya boys ;-)
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22.19.19 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Patch for memcmp() filed. Sorry that it is tripled, the sourceforge server was so sloooooow that I thought it didn't accept it.
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22.19.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;)
22.19.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thank you!
22.22.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm a bit busy coding/scripting right now
22.27.10 #       <amiconn> Let _me_ guess: the talking UI? Excellent work, already tested it. Code size didn't increase much!
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22.29.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, thanks.
22.30.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I wrote an algorithm to put numbers into words
22.30.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Now I'm preparing for that
22.32.51 #       <track>     hiya
22.32.58 #       <track> everyone
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22.33.17 #       <amiconn> Hi track
22.34.54 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I did think about the talking UI also. Sure this is a good idea, and the approach we have now works well. But one idea keeps me thinking about.
22.35.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which is?
22.35.31 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: nice work on the talking patch!
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22.36.09 #       <john_in_berkeley> anyone know of an adaptor for a JB Recorder that can transfer data directly from an SD card via USB?
22.36.16 #       <amiconn> Currently you use a pre-encoded set of speech. I think that speech synthesis should be possible on our hardware. Why I think so? -
22.36.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: Thanks. It's not "the" patch, it's a new thing. Talkboy will come later, too.
22.36.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Talkbox, I mean.
22.37.23 #       <amiconn> john_in_berkeley: This cannot work at all: The JBR is an USB slave only and will never be a master.
22.38.11 #       <track> yea Archos violated the USB standard by puting a type A socket on the Jukebox
22.38.38 #       <track> why they did that is beyond us
22.38.49 #       <track> you try buying a generic A-A USB cable
22.38.49 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (1) I have speech synthesis on my amiga. This was also possible with a stock amiga 500/2000, which has a 7 MHz CPU.
22.39.16 #       <john_in_berkeley> Thx, Dragon - i was looking for a way to cache digital images while on the road...
22.39.28 #       <john_in_berkeley> oops, amiconn!
22.40.46 #       <amiconn> (2) The code size required to do this is not very large: the "translator.library" which does the translation from english to phonemes is ~10 KB, the "narrator.device" which does the actual speech synthesis is ~64 KB.
22.41.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this is huge
22.41.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like half of Rockbox
22.42.40 #       <amiconn> Hm, more like a third. Furthermore it is much smaller than a voice font file.
22.43.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we can't make Rockbox that big.
22.43.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> There is a hard limit of 200kB for the .ajz, else it will not get loaded.
22.44.00 #       <amiconn> Of course this would require another mechanism of dynamically loadable extensions (200 KB limit, I know)
22.44.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Plus, we take away the mp3 buffer when growing so much.
22.44.30 #       <amiconn> (3) Of course, we don't have direct access to the DAC, but I think we don't need this anyway: If I'm correct, speech synthesis consists of 3 basic steps.
22.44.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, you need to swap out at least the data.
22.45.39 #       <amiconn> Step 1: convert the text to phonemes. Step 2: Calculate frequence coefficients for each phoneme. Step 3: Do a fourier transform to get the actual playable audio data.
22.47.37 #       <amiconn> Since we have frequency coefficients in step (2) and mp2/mp3 consists of frequency coefficients, it might be possible to take the coefficients, do some huffman compression and get playable mp2.
22.47.58 #       <amiconn> This way, step 3 will be done by the MAS.
22.49.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, you do that, I carry on with my voicefonts...  ;-)
22.49.32 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Can we use the plugin space from the main firmware?
22.49.34 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: any idea why the voice playback sometimes doesn't start from the beginning?
22.50.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Seriously, there was a lot of thinking in the group since a long time, but all that fancy stuff is pie in the sky.
22.50.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: yes
22.50.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi LinusN!
22.50.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: I was about to ask that to you...
22.50.49 #       <LinusN> hehe
22.51.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think it's because the old clip was interrupted by a new one
22.51.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so the MAS does not see complete frames
22.51.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and need te re-sync
22.51.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Is that possible?
22.51.48 #       <LinusN> did you compress with the bit reservoir disabled?
22.51.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> guess not
22.52.08 #       <LinusN> you should, to minimize that problem
22.52.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hmm, I really need to squeeze here
22.52.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So I don't want to waste space/quality on this
22.52.53 #       <LinusN> still, i don't think it's a reservoir problem
22.53.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I could place some empty VBR frames ahead of the clips
22.53.47 #       <LinusN> how long are your clips?
22.53.53 #       <LinusN> 3-4K?
22.53.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in bytes?
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22.54.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 4.7 kB average
23.00.30 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Perhaps it is beacause you call your talk_id() function nonblocking. So if this is called a second time while the first clip is still playing, the old data gets replaced by the new, but the playback isn't restarted from the beginning.
23.00.45 #       <amiconn> s/beacause/because/
23.01.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's about what I told Linus
23.01.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> data doesn't get replaced, but concatenated at a random point
23.02.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can very likely be fixed, but is not my primary concern right now
23.03.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> First, I need a queue of samples, so I can schedule more than one clip.
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23.04.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> If I hafe that, I can "preload" a new clip after interrupting a running one with a "sync block".
23.04.08 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I know it
23.04.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have
23.04.18 #       <elinenbe> 's not a patch -- but what is talkboy?
23.04.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;)
23.04.37 #       <elinenbe> oh -- I see...
23.04.44 #       <LinusN> a boy that talks a lot?
23.04.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> x and y are close
23.04.48 #       <elinenbe> sorry, I can't type (or read) right now!
23.07.10 #       <elinenbe> amiconn: if you get voice synthesis working that would be incredible.  Good luck!
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23.09.09 #       <amiconn> elinenbe: I really want to try it; unfortunately there are no public sources of the amiga speech synthesis :( So I have to use other sources, or the pure theory. Quite a lot of work..
23.09.20 #       <elinenbe> amiconn: understandable.
23.09.52 #       <elinenbe> amiconn: nice work on the assembler routines... are you thinking about tackling anything else?
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23.10.44 #       <BoD[]> Heylloo
23.11.01 #       <amiconn> elinenbe, [IDC]Dragon: The amiga speech doesn't sound that bad, hmm.. a bit like the microsoft voice used for the current voice font.
23.11.40 #       <amiconn> elinenbe: I have a minesweeper game in mind, after I tackled the time critical things a bit more.
23.11.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the current one is not MS, that was TextAloud.
23.11.50 #       <amiconn> ok.
23.12.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> minesweeper? I thought a voice synthesis in the mp3 compressed domain?
23.13.50 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: This is will take a bit longer, however it is a really interesting project. I could learn a lot about speech synthesis...
23.14.16 #       <elinenbe> I would like to see a grayscale game -- if that is even possible with the current method....
23.14.33 #       <scott666> doom!
23.14.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it is, if you doit clever
23.15.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> working on a few planes at the same time
23.18.55 #       <elinenbe> brb
23.19.11 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: it would be great to see some demo code that did sprites like that! :D
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23.34.13 #       <LinusN> amiconn: one patch is enough!!!
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23.43.54 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I know; the sourceforge server was so slooow that I thought it didn't accept my post. Sorry for the inconvenience :(
23.44.04 #       <LinusN> :-)
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