--- Log for 19.03.104  Server: truong.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bitswap() committed
00.00.26 #       <amiconn> :-)
00.00.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> memxxx() a while ago
00.01.02 #       <elinenbe> nice patches coming out of you amiconn... I like it!
00.01.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I may need a memchr() for my taliking stuff
00.02.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to find the next MPEG audio header
00.02.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and do a seamless switch to a new clip
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00.04.05 #       <amiconn> memchr()? Does this look for a specified char in an area?
00.04.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, very simple.
00.04.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> searches for just 1 char.
00.05.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but don't dig into it yet
00.05.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have to sleep now
00.05.36 #       <diddystar5> hi [IDC]Dragon
00.05.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> tired from CeBIT
00.05.52 #       <diddystar5> i still cant get my box to turn on ):
00.06.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ?
00.06.14 #       <amiconn> This would be a real shortie, but I'm afraid that it wouldn't really be much faster than what the compiler would produce (comparing is costly).
00.06.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> remind me pleade
00.06.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> please
00.07.35 #       <diddystar5> well    it quit wokring on day and well hasnt turned on since     i have tried soldering the main power connectors back   but it dosent wok
00.08.22 #       <diddystar5> the only thing i can think of to try is gettings a smaller soldering iron tip, and heat up a lot of points, incase there is a hairline fracture or something
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00.15.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'night
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01.56.54 #       <Strath> and how is everyone doing this fine evening?
01.58.18 #       <Strath> active as always I see :)
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02.15.49 #       <Strath> is about half the web down right now? or is it just me?
02.16.52 #       <scott666> google works = the world is safe
02.16.56 #       <Strath> heh
02.17.13 #       <Strath> gcc.gnu.org accessable by you?
02.17.26 #       <ze> is for me
02.17.33 #       <scott666> yup
02.17.38 #       <Strath> strange...
02.17.48 #       <scott666> isp maybe?
02.17.52 #       <ze> probably just like your isp's routers or something
02.18.13 #       <Strath> heh.... as soon as i asked, it started working again.... figures
02.18.20 #       <ze> of course
02.19.16 #       <Strath> ok, lets try two out of two... http://www.mil.ufl.edu
02.21.21 #       <ze> so far it's not responding
02.21.39 #       <Strath> was worth a shot :)
02.25.33 #       <Strath> looks like the ufl site was just a partial mirror od gcc.gnu.org anyways...
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02.33.37 #       <jfab199> hello
02.33.43 #       <Strath> jello
02.33.58 #       <jfab199> i need help with install of rockbox
02.34.41 #       <jfab199> i have copied the files to the player and dumped the rom
02.34.58 #       <Strath> ok
02.35.44 #       <jfab199> but when i run firmware_flash it says "/firmware_v2.bin" file not found
02.36.06 #       <Strath> hrm
02.36.20 #       <Strath> is the file there?
02.36.34 #       <jfab199> where i cant find it anywhere
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02.37.14 #       <jfab199> any ideas?
02.38.02 #       <Strath> can it not find it, or can you not find it?
02.38.50 #       <jfab199> both i guess, i looked under all the dir and i dont see it and firmware_flash cant find it
02.39.01 #       <Strath> checking...
02.40.44 #       <jfab199> when i select rockbox_flash it says "flash size : 256 kb no image found" and displays a box with No image in it
02.41.07 #       <Strath> just a sec
02.41.27 #       <jfab199> sure, thanx
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02.42.37 #       <Strath> btw... i don't have first hand experiance installing rockbox, i just enjoy being helpful... others may know better
02.43.12 #       <jfab199> is there any one here that can help me? please?
02.43.43 #       <Strath> have you read back over the documentation?
02.43.48 #       <jfab199> yup
02.45.58 #       <Strath> this isn't what you need it is? http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_v2.zip
02.47.40 #       <jfab199> i think it is, I downloaded the version i have off the rockbox site and the  zip file doesnt have the file needed
02.48.34 #       <Strath> does this file? (my link is slow so i havn't been able to examine it yet
02.49.17 #       <Strath> there it is
02.49.27 #       <Strath> hope that helps
02.53.39 #       <jfab199> yea that did it, thank you very much you have been more than helpful
02.53.52 #       <Strath> :)
02.54.55 #       <Strath> ya know... that was the first time i've examined the rockbox installation proceedure.... :)
02.55.03 #       <jfab199> thank you very much and have a good evening
02.55.08 #       <Strath> you too
02.55.21 #       <jfab199> well i guess we both learned something:)
02.55.25 #       <Strath> heh
02.55.33 #       <Strath> take care
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03.00.16 #       <Vandal> Anyone around?
03.00.54 #       <hardeep> sure
03.10.08 #       <Vandal> I have a little question about the rockbox recorder
03.11.06 #       <Vandal> From what I've read you should use deep charge if charging while using it, and trickle charge if you're just letting it charge over night. That makes sense to me. But what happens if you put trickle charge on while playing it? Does it just charge it very slowly, not fast enough to actually CHARGE it, or does it go into deep charge since the batteries will never be fully charged..?
03.14.01 #       <hardeep> If you have trickle charge on while playing, the batteries will continuously be charged
03.15.25 #       <hardeep> (except in the case listed in http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery-faq.html#17)
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07.49.21 #       <midknight2k3> linux yay
07.49.24 #       <midknight2k3> linus*
07.56.05 #       <LinusN> hi
08.06.55 #       <dwihno> \o/
08.07.30 #       <midknight2k3> what nowe
08.07.33 #       <midknight2k3> now*
08.07.34 #       <midknight2k3> :)
08.08.34 #       <dwihno> Dunno.
08.08.35 #       <dwihno> Do you?
08.09.13 #       <midknight2k3> er
08.09.20 #       <midknight2k3> new iconned menus?
08.12.11 #       <dwihno> no :D
08.12.16 #       <midknight2k3> er
08.12.18 #       <midknight2k3> OH
08.12.18 #       <midknight2k3> OH
08.12.24 #       <midknight2k3> becos linus is here?
08.12.51 #       <dwihno> erhm
08.13.01 #       <dwihno> probably because I'm out of spare time :)
08.13.55 #       <midknight2k3> uh right
08.13.56 #       <midknight2k3> *runs
08.19.08 #       <LinusN> i finally managed to reproduce a RLOD on my FM, using a massage pillow :-)
08.19.51 #       <midknight2k3> rlod = ?
08.20.00 #       <LinusN> Red LED Of Death
08.20.04 #       <midknight2k3> oh
08.20.07 #       <midknight2k3> i thought it was RLD
08.20.19 #       <LinusN> same same
08.20.33 #       <midknight2k3> lol
08.20.41 #       <midknight2k3> why overcomplicate a simple acronym?
08.20.46 #       <LinusN> haha
08.21.05 #       <LinusN> you know what PCMCIA stands for?
08.21.06 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Hi-tech testing equipment :D
08.21.08 #       <Domin> morning guys
08.21.21 #       <midknight2k3> OH
08.21.21 #       <midknight2k3> wait
08.21.22 #       <midknight2k3> wait
08.21.24 #       <midknight2k3> pcmcia
08.21.25 #       <midknight2k3> its like
08.21.40 #       <midknight2k3> personal computer modulator .... something?
08.21.42 #       <LinusN> People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
08.21.55 #       <LinusN> Domin: hi
08.21.59 #       <midknight2k3> YESS
08.22.01 #       <midknight2k3> that's it
08.22.01 #       <Domin> hehe LinusN, nice one
08.22.37 #       <LinusN> Ericsson has an internal database in the intranet for all acronyms
08.22.58 #       <Domin> nice you work there LinusN
08.23.03 #       <LinusN> i used to
08.23.08 #       <Domin> Ahh, ok
08.23.09 #       <midknight2k3> oh
08.23.12 #       <midknight2k3> acnronymfinder.com
08.23.15 #       <midknight2k3> i cant speeel
08.23.17 #       <midknight2k3> but yeah
08.23.19 #       <LinusN> that's nice too
08.23.47 #       <midknight2k3> "nice"?! "NICE"?!?
08.24.09 #       <LinusN> the ericsson database was for ericsson acronyms only :-)
08.24.37 #       <midknight2k3> like "Ericsson Sucks"?
08.25.07 #       <Domin> hehe
08.25.16 #       <midknight2k3> or
08.25.16 #       <midknight2k3> wait
08.25.17 #       <Domin> I have a ericsson :-P
08.26.04 #       <LinusN> i have a Nokia
08.26.29 #       <midknight2k3> go linus
08.26.36 #       <midknight2k3> model? like 5592?
08.27.03 #       <LinusN> when i worked at ericsson (10 years ago) they had a pool of cell phones to borrow for business trips
08.27.09 #       <midknight2k3> cool
08.27.10 #       <LinusN> Motorola
08.27.10 #       <midknight2k3> get me one
08.27.16 #       <midknight2k3> no let's get 5 for mk
08.27.32 #       <Domin> :-)
08.28.07 #       <LinusN> the Ericsson phones were too expensive :-)
08.28.52 #       <midknight2k3> like $50
08.28.56 #       <midknight2k3> or $175
08.28.57 #       <Domin> Mine is an old moddel
08.29.00 #       <Domin> T65
08.29.03 #       <midknight2k3> or $239.45
08.29.04 #       <midknight2k3> OH
08.29.06 #       <midknight2k3> get the uh
08.29.10 #       <midknight2k3> T68
08.30.52 #       <Domin> I wouldt like the t610
08.31.04 #       <Domin> Well, i better be off soon
08.31.23 #       <midknight2k3> ttyn
08.31.37 #       <Domin> ???
08.31.48 #       <midknight2k3> talk to you something
08.31.50 #       <midknight2k3> its like
08.31.52 #       <Domin> ahh
08.31.53 #       <Domin> ok
08.31.53 #       <midknight2k3> s = soon
08.31.56 #       <midknight2k3> l = later
08.31.58 #       <midknight2k3> ttyl
08.31.58 #       <midknight2k3> get it
08.32.13 #       <Domin> Btw, is there a compiled version where the search function is included ???
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08.32.57 #       <LinusN> Domin: no
08.33.02 #       <Domin> oki
08.33.15 #       <Domin> Then i have to look at it when i get home
08.33.28 #       <Domin> Have 20 ung kids that im going away for the weekend with
08.33.40 #       <Domin> And a search function wouldt be nice :-P
08.33.45 #       <Domin> young
08.33.47 #       <Domin> kids
08.33.49 #       <Domin> ;-)
08.33.55 #       <midknight2k3> who knows how to mess with the xchat autoreplace list?
08.34.00 #       <midknight2k3> it's not working for me
08.34.08 #       <midknight2k3> nm
08.34.08 #       <LinusN> i'm afraid rockbox can't help you with finding runaway kids :-)
08.34.09 #       <midknight2k3> it works
08.34.17 #       <Domin> hehe LinusN
08.34.36 #       <Domin> Wouldt be nice thoug
08.35.09 #       <Domin> well, im off
08.35.15 #       <Domin> Have fun
08.35.18 #       <LinusN> cu around
08.35.22 #       <midknight2k3> ttyl
08.35.40 #       <Domin> ye, i will just idle until sunday ;-)
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10.06.11 #       <matsl> LinusN: u there?
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10.08.01 #       <LinusN> yes
10.12.13 #       <matsl> LinusN: i tried to build the player simulator but i get errors. undefined reference to `talk_id'
10.13.31 #       <matsl> daily build reports OK thought. 
10.14.16 #       <matsl> got any idea what might be the problem?
10.14.24 #       <LinusN> building...
10.15.21 #       <matsl> hmm... I got a flash back.
10.15.46 #       <LinusN> works for me (win32 cygwin)
10.16.17 #       <midknight2k3> linus + win32 = happy
10.16.18 #       <midknight2k3> :D
10.17.09 #       <matsl> i suddenly remembered that the uisimulator folder isn't  updated when I do cvs update. That is quite likely the reason.
10.17.24 #       <LinusN> absolutely
10.17.39 #       <LinusN> why isn't it updated?
10.17.50 #       <LinusN> it updates for me
10.17.54 #       <matsl> yes. now it built ok. thanks for making me remember.
10.18.02 #       <LinusN> ah, you checked out uisimulator separately?
10.18.33 #       <matsl> yes, probably a mistake ageas ago and I constantly forget about it. I'll fix it now.
10.19.01 #       <matsl> LinusN: while your on the line.
10.19.27 #       <matsl> the VOICE_* translations are supposed to be empty strings "" in all languages?
10.19.47 #       <LinusN> i think not
10.20.04 #       <matsl> ok what should I do? Just skip them?
10.20.39 #       <LinusN> i think you use them when you want something else sent to the TTS engine than the original string
10.20.57 #       <LinusN> leave them empty for now
10.21.12 #       <matsl> empty means ""?
10.21.44 #       <LinusN> think so
10.21.55 #       <LinusN> not sure
10.22.16 #       <matsl> hmm...
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10.26.25 #       <matsl> LinusN: I thought a file.lang with no translation was illegal. Implies I need at least to set it to the empty string?
10.29.43 #       <LinusN> a file.lang with no translation is not illegal, it will use the english translation instead
10.30.15 #       <LinusN> however, if an entry exists, it should probably contain something, yes
10.32.44 #       <matsl> LinusN: OK. I'll plunge in and check in svenska.lang with empty strings.
10.33.00 #       <LinusN> for the voice?
10.33.14 #       <matsl> yes
10.33.23 #       <LinusN> ok
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10.39.55 #       <KiNeL> Just loaded v2.2 and having created \root playlist getting error message each time "Error accessing playlist control file". It plays OK though. Anyone know what it means and how to fix ?
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10.40.27 #       <LinusN> KiNeL: how did you install rockbox?
10.40.48 #       <LinusN> why ask a question and then bolt?
10.41.27 #       <LinusN> doh
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10.41.52 #       <LinusN> KiNeL: how did you install rockbox?
10.43.04 #       <KiNeL> Copied .ajz file to root and rebooted, is there another way ?
10.43.40 #       <LinusN> what instructions told you to do that?
10.45.16 #       <LinusN> as far as i know, the instructions on the Download page tells you to unzip the entire archive to the jukebox
10.45.52 #       <KiNeL> The rockbox site but on re-reading should I have put it in the .rockbox folder instead ?
10.46.16 #       <LinusN> where on the rockbox site?
10.48.10 #       <LinusN> if there is an instruction on the rockbox site telling you to copy only the ajbrec.ajz to the jukebox, we need to change it
10.48.23 #       <LinusN> that is why i am asking where you read that
10.50.59 #       <KiNeL> On the download page under Installation "Unpack the zip archive in the root (top) directory of your Archos disk" and under Uninstallation "If you ever want to remove the Rockbox firmware, simply delete archos.mod (player) or ajbrec.ajz (recorder) from the root of your Archos disk" I have always put .ajz files in the root not in a sub folder. Rockbox is working OK except for this error message.
10.52.16 #       <LinusN> and you interpreted "unpack the zip archive" as "copy the ajbrec.ajz file to the root"?
10.53.26 #       <LinusN> do you have a .rockbox directory on your jukebox?
10.54.31 #       <LinusN> the "error accessing playlist control file" suggests that you don't
10.56.32 #       <LinusN> hello?
10.58.38 #       <KiNeL> Before unzipping to the Archos I unzipped on my PC to see what was in there. Knowing that I the azj file normally resides in the root I simply copied it over. My mistake for not following instructions. I'm currently undoing and following instructions to the letter. Give me a moment please.
10.59.59 #       <KiNeL> OK, unzipped as instructed, I do have .rockbox folder in root and still getting error message !
11.00.41 #       <KiNeL> could it be because I use @ character in folder names to keep them on the top of the list ?
11.01.03 #       <LinusN> that shouldn't be it
11.01.06 #       <matsl> LinusN: when i do a co rockbox i don't get the uisimulator folder. u know why?
11.01.57 #       <LinusN> KiNeL: is there a file in .rockbox called .playlist_control?
11.02.28 #       <LinusN> matsl: because the "rockbox" module doesn't include the simulator
11.02.41 #       <LinusN> matsl: try "rockbox-dev" or "rockbox-all"
11.02.51 #       <matsl> LinusN: aha. RTFM?
11.03.00 #       <KiNeL> Let me recreate the playlist again and see what happens
11.03.10 #       <LinusN> rockbox-dev is it
11.03.32 #       <LinusN> KiNeL: remove .rockbox/.playlist_control
11.04.00 #       <LinusN> matsl: "rockbox-devel"
11.04.48 #       <KiNeL> Stand by a mo please.
11.07.48 #       <KiNeL> Can I say that I only discovered rockbox today and it's the answer to virtually all the shortcomings on the Archos, particularly the 999 track playlist limit. A big thank you to all involved in it's development.
11.08.02 #       <LinusN> you're welcome
11.08.15 #       <LinusN> btw, rockbox sorts directories first
11.09.28 #       <KiNeL> Ah ha, recreated playlist and no error message, super. Teach me to be a knowitall and to follow insructions in future. Thanks very much for the help LinusN.
11.09.54 #       <LinusN> you're welcome
11.10.04 #       <LinusN> good luck with your newly born toy
11.10.50 #       <KiNeL> Just put the kettle on to settle down and read the 68 page manual ! Cheers
11.11.12 #       <matsl> LinusN: rockbox-devel did the trick. hopefully i'll get less uisimulator related bad builds now. Thanks!
11.11.42 #       <KiNeL> PS. passed the word on to others I know with Archos boxes.
11.11.54 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.19.42 Ctcp    Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 26 minutes at the last flood
11.19.42 #       * LinusN can finally provoke a RLD on his FM
11.23.29 #       <dwihno> Thanks to advanced super hi-tech hardware \o/ :)
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11.30.27 #       <LinusN> dwihno: but this time i'm banging it against the table :-)
11.31.01 #       <dwihno> LinusN: so have you any ideas what causes the rld?
11.31.12 #       <dwihno> LinusN: I bet it has something to do with the shakiness ;)
11.31.25 #       <LinusN> oh? :-)
11.32.07 #       <dwihno> any theories?
11.32.12 #       <LinusN> yes, i have a theory i'm testing now
11.32.18 #       <LinusN> and so far it is promising
11.34.22 #       <LinusN> getting tired in my arms of all the shaking
11.35.13 #       <LinusN> looks good so far
11.35.22 #       <LinusN> can you provoke rld?
11.37.25 #       <dwihno> I guess.
11.37.41 #       <dwihno> I'll test rightaway
11.39.35 #       <dwihno> Which direction is best to shake?
11.40.47 #       <midknight2k3> lol!
11.41.50 #       <dwihno> hm
11.41.53 #       <dwihno> can't cause rld
11.42.41 #       <LinusN> i'm holding it with the left long side down, slightly banging/vibrating the upper left corner in the table
11.42.49 #       <LinusN> rapidly
11.43.26 #       <dwihno> Don't you think the disk will get harmed? :)
11.44.19 #       <midknight2k3> i'm out of here
11.44.24 #       <LinusN> yes i do :-)
11.44.27 #       <midknight2k3> nite dwihno, linus
11.44.31 #       <midknight2k3> lol good luck
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11.44.34 #       <LinusN> nite midknight2k3
11.44.34 #       <dwihno> hmm
11.44.42 #       <dwihno> the disk powers up and starts spinning again
11.45.57 #       <dwihno> which probably is a good thing :)
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11.59.59 #       <pokerjoker> hi anyone home today
12.02.05 #       <pokerjoker> the rock boxers...
12.02.19 #       <pokerjoker> methangas is sleepying?
12.06.00 #       <LinusN> hello pokerjoker
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12.32.44 #       <pokerjoker> hey still here Linus?
12.35.57 #       <pokerjoker> i have two questions about some stuff, and maybe you guys can help
12.36.22 #       <pokerjoker> first is abotu the VBR and CBR that rockbox can record at
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12.42.43 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: i'm back, are u listening?
12.43.07 #       <LinusN> the archos can only record VBR, not CBR
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12.53.12 #       <pokerjoker> ok.  also, its only supposed to get up to 160 right?
12.53.19 #       <pokerjoker> i recorded a song and it was about 189
12.53.43 #       <pokerjoker> also, why is it that it doesnt oscillate much, when i play it in winamp?
12.53.48 #       <pokerjoker> see, heres the situation:
12.54.04 #       <pokerjoker> i have been recording Audiobooks from tape directly into my Archos Recorder v1
12.54.17 #       <LinusN> the MAS encoder generates 192kbps frames
12.54.32 #       <LinusN> 23-192
12.54.35 #       <LinusN> 32-192
12.54.43 #       <pokerjoker> and when i do this, it makes a 11MB file (for example) that i cannot seem to edit well when i import it
12.54.53 #       <pokerjoker> whats MAS stand for
12.55.08 #       <LinusN> i don't know
12.55.12 #       <LinusN> may short for Micronas
12.55.22 #       <LinusN> the company that makes the cip
12.55.38 #       <pokerjoker> lets say i record a file at very low VBR, and its 30 minutes long.  when i import it to windows and try to edit it,
12.55.50 #       <LinusN> with which editor?
12.56.11 #       <pokerjoker> for example with MP3 tag studio i will try to cut the file into parts,
12.56.28 #       <pokerjoker> it will say "bad header!"  or "corrupt file"
12.56.53 #       <LinusN> that's probably because it doesn't understand the ID3v2.4 header
12.57.24 #       <pokerjoker> well, it was v3.05 which is newish
12.57.55 #       <pokerjoker> i just want to chop these files up but i cant seem to
12.58.11 #       <LinusN> you could try to remove the id3 header
12.58.26 #       <LinusN> or trick rockbox into removing the header
12.58.34 #       <pokerjoker> and lets say i recorded the file at 60kbits and then i use the DOS program Lame.exe to "down-code" the file to 30kbits, even when i do this it still is difficult to edit
12.58.50 #       <LinusN> "difficult"?
12.58.58 #       <pokerjoker> yes,
12.59.07 #       <pokerjoker> sometimes i have to guess where to edit
12.59.24 #       <pokerjoker> because it misrepresents the actual time of the file
12.59.27 #       <LinusN> ok, so your editor doesn't handle vbr that well?
13.00.00 #       <pokerjoker> like say the files 30 minutes, ... then winamp or tag studio will say its 27 minutes even when it will play thru all 30 minutes of the song
13.00.13 #       <LinusN> a small tip: set the "editable files" recording option
13.00.24 #       <pokerjoker> the editor seems to be fine, but i tried another one, and it says "unrecognizable file "
13.00.47 #       <pokerjoker> tag studio has a few features,
13.01.04 #       <pokerjoker> you can choose to fix the files or edit them as CBR or VBR
13.01.05 #       <LinusN> try this: when you record, start recording as usual with Play, then press Play again to start recording for real
13.01.26 #       <LinusN> then there will be no id3v2 header (iirc)
13.01.38 #       <pokerjoker> wait when i press play again wont it just start a new appended file to record?
13.01.50 #       <LinusN> yes, without id3 header
13.01.54 #       <pokerjoker> oh
13.02.05 #       <pokerjoker> hmm thats weird
13.02.25 #       <LinusN> and the "editable files" option disables the bit reservoir, making  it easier to cut'n'paste frames
13.02.31 #       <LinusN> weird?
13.02.40 #       <pokerjoker> yeah weird.  hehe
13.02.50 #       <LinusN> i'd call it intentional
13.02.52 #       <pokerjoker> where is the editable files option
13.02.59 #       <LinusN> recording settings
13.03.18 #       <pokerjoker> ok i should always keep that turned to "on" ?  
13.03.28 #       <pokerjoker> just curious, whats the benefit of having it turned off?
13.03.30 #       <LinusN> if you intend to edit the files, yes
13.03.37 #       <LinusN> better compression
13.03.56 #       <pokerjoker> oh k.  ive been using it as turned on
13.03.57 #       <LinusN> and possibly slightly better quality
13.04.21 #       <LinusN> you should get an editor that can handle vbr well
13.04.29 #       <LinusN> and iid3v2.4
13.04.36 #       <pokerjoker> i dont know of one, do you?
13.04.51 #       <LinusN> mp3directcut is supposed to be good, they say
13.05.09 #       <pokerjoker> have you ever monkied with these files
13.05.12 #       <LinusN> i tried it and didn't find it very intuitive
13.05.22 #       <LinusN> mp3directcut that is
13.05.29 #       <pokerjoker> intuitive as in,...?
13.05.32 #       <LinusN> if i have monkied with vbr files?
13.06.01 #       <LinusN> as in understanding how to cut and paste sections of audio :-)
13.06.29 #       <pokerjoker> ok so you would recommend it?  and have yes, have you ever monkied with vbr files made from an archos
13.06.55 #       <LinusN> well i have spent hours and hours analyzing them when i wrote the recording code
13.07.05 #       <LinusN> and the vbrfix code
13.07.17 #       <LinusN> and the id3 parser code
13.07.31 #       <LinusN> and the file split code
13.07.36 #       <LinusN> :-)
13.07.58 #       <pokerjoker> hey can i suggest something
13.08.16 #       <LinusN> there is a bug in rockbox (or in the MAS) that can produce corrupt files
13.08.24 #       <LinusN> but i haven't found it yet
13.08.53 #       <pokerjoker> i suggest different times for the vbr split code
13.08.57 #       <LinusN> never happened to me though
13.09.06 #       <LinusN> different times?
13.09.14 #       <pokerjoker> 17 minutes and 23 minutes
13.09.39 #       <LinusN> sounds odd, why?
13.09.46 #       <pokerjoker> it is odd, but heres why:
13.09.57 #       <pokerjoker> when you are recording from a.. oh wait
13.10.16 #       <pokerjoker> well, i was just thinking, when you record from a 45 minute tape and you want it split into two files,
13.10.32 #       <pokerjoker> its better to use something like say 23 minutes then it would be to use 15
13.10.47 #       <pokerjoker> because if the actual time on the tape is 45:13 seconds,
13.11.02 #       <pokerjoker> then you are going to have three 15 minute files and one 13 second file
13.11.16 #       <pokerjoker> just a thought, if you think its stupid then its ok
13.11.22 #       <pokerjoker> but what i really want to know is this...
13.11.35 #       <LinusN> maybe an option for a fully custom time?
13.12.20 #       <pokerjoker> yes, because when you are recording from inputs like tape its better to ... be able to customize.  
13.12.40 #       <pokerjoker> hey what does VBR fix do exactly?
13.13.30 #       <LinusN> vbrfix (or "update vbr file" as it is called in rockbox) creates a Xing VBR header
13.14.12 #       <LinusN> this header contains the number of mp3 frames plus a Table Of Contents
13.14.24 #       <LinusN> the TOC is used to index the file in the time domain
13.14.43 #       <LinusN> quite low granularoty though
13.14.48 #       <LinusN> granularity
13.15.02 #       <LinusN> resolution is 1%
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13.15.49 #       <pokerjoker> does that mean that it ... 
13.15.59 #       <pokerjoker> what does that mean?  i sort of think i know
13.16.40 #       <LinusN> well, you can use the toc to seek in the stream
13.16.55 #       <LinusN> in percent of total time
13.17.13 #       <pokerjoker> so it makes seek easier
13.17.24 #       <LinusN> yes
13.18.53 #       <pokerjoker> neat
13.19.02 #       <pokerjoker> ok ready for question #2 ?
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13.19.44 #       <LinusN> sure
13.20.03 #       <pokerjoker> ok i just bought a brand new (probably unformatted) 40 gig laptop hd
13.20.53 #       <pokerjoker> what is the best way to go about installing - should i use a converter thing and try to format it on my PC, or is there a format option or something with the archos?
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13.23.09 #       <pokerjoker> im afraid of messing it up, screwing up the drive my mis-connecting it to my PC
13.25.03 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: you can put it in the recorder and use FDISK to format it
13.25.36 #       <LinusN> however, if you are using a lame OS, such as Windows 2k or XP, you won't be able to format it in FAT32
13.25.47 #       <LinusN> sorry, FDISK is only for partitioning
13.26.43 #       <pokerjoker> im runnign win98
13.26.51 #       <pokerjoker> 98SE
13.27.51 #       <pokerjoker> so... i pop open the archos.  put in new drive, then seal it up.  start the 98SE up, and then hook my USB to the computer and format K:\  (or whatever the archos is)
13.30.24 #       <LinusN> that depends on how/if the disk is partitioned
13.30.51 #       <LinusN> you need to use fdisk to make sure that it's correctly partitioned
13.31.34 #       <c0utta> linus, did you change menu_items to menu_item in menu.h ?
13.33.38 #       <LinusN> c0utta: yes
13.33.54 #       <c0utta> naughty boy
13.33.58 #       <LinusN> :-)
13.34.05 #       <pokerjoker> ok.  so i put it in the archos recorder, and then run win98se and check the HD and FDISK it thru USB port, then format, etc. ?   sorry about my lame questions - just want to make sure
13.34.06 #       <LinusN> i didn't like the plural
13.34.15 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: yes
13.34.19 #       <c0utta> np
13.34.27 #       <pokerjoker> thank linus
13.34.31 #       <pokerjoker> thanks*
13.34.37 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: there should be one primary partition, FAT32 LBA
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13.37.32 #       <Bagder_> hey
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13.38.14 #       <pokerjoker> ok thank you 
13.38.27 #       <LinusN> pokerjoker: good luck
13.42.06 #       <pokerjoker> linus... lol
13.42.22 #       <pokerjoker> i have one more question completely unrelated to archos just simple, but maybe you can help me out
13.42.59 #       <pokerjoker> i just ordered a 4x dvd recorder, will it be possible to copy dvds like i watch on my tv
13.43.14 #       <pokerjoker> or is there some protection
13.44.12 #       <Bagder> they're bigger than the one you can write at least
13.44.19 #       <pokerjoker> and second, (after this i promise to leave you alone), do you recommend any other programs?  because this mp3cutter program is pretty good and i spent forever looking for one
13.44.21 #       <LinusN> i have no clue, but i guess you can't copy them right away
13.44.45 #       <pokerjoker> oh ok.  thats kinda not good
13.45.00 #       <LinusN> look here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/tools.html
13.45.53 #       <pokerjoker> i got lots of cool programs ... even some copyprotected stuff like advanced disk catalog
13.46.00 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i can provoke RLD on my FM
13.46.31 #       <LinusN> using a massage pillow, or by banging/vibrating it into the table
13.47.06 #       <Bagder> hehe
13.47.23 #       <LinusN> but i have yet to see RLD with my latest fix
13.48.10 #       <Bagder> that sounds promising indeed
13.48.23 #       <LinusN> shit! i just got it :-( :-( :-(
13.52.34 #       <LinusN> i think we can stop looking for a solution to that
13.53.08 #       <LinusN> i just managed to create a RLD with the archos firmware as well
13.53.18 #       <Bagder> aha
13.53.28 #       <Bagder> what usually is claimed not to happen
13.53.37 #       <LinusN> and people have always claimed that the original firmware didn't have that problem...
13.53.58 #       <Bagder> perhaps your fix makes it equally hard to make it on both?
13.54.17 #       <LinusN> however, my fix seems to make things better
13.54.29 #       <Bagder> neato
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13.59.28 #       <pokerjoker> see you guys later, thanks again guys
13.59.43 #       * Bagder waves to pokerjoker
13.59.54 #       <pokerjoker> i will come back to molest you more later today !
14.00.04 #       <pokerjoker> maybe even teach you some poker, so you can make some easy cash
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14.26.46 #       <c0utta> linus, based on our discussion yesterday there are no changes to the menu_item structure
14.33.41 #       <LinusN> ok
14.34.19 #       <c0utta> it's so complicated i can't explain it
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14.35.15 #       <c0utta> i keep a static array of the last 10 context/keycode combinations
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14.44.57 #       <LinusN> i don't get it
14.45.33 #       <LinusN> kind of a cache?
14.45.35 #       <c0utta> different menus apply for different contexts
14.45.40 #       <c0utta> yes, a cache
14.45.52 #       <c0utta> you know english better than me!
14.46.20 #       <c0utta> i don't want to load every context/keycode menu at once
14.46.24 #       <c0utta> or should i ?
14.46.38 #       <LinusN> it depends on the mem footprint
14.50.53 #       <c0utta> how will i know ?  a simple calc says 10 * ( int + int + 16 * ( int + char[20] + char[64] ) + 1 ) = 13780
14.55.04 #       <LinusN> how many context/keycode combos can you think of?
14.56.56 #       <c0utta> for f2/f3 there are only 2 contexts each.  wps & tree which means 4 combinations = 5512
14.59.06 #       <LinusN> doesn't sound too big
14.59.28 #       <c0utta> char[20] is the menu description
14.59.38 #       <c0utta> char[64] is the setting value
15.00.23 #       <c0utta> it's a pain not having malloc
15.01.08 #       <LinusN> i'd say that mostly it's a relief
15.01.20 #       <c0utta> a blessing and a curse
15.01.22 #       <LinusN> no mem leaks to hunt
15.01.31 #       <LinusN> no out-of-memory situations to handle
15.01.41 #       <LinusN> no sloppy use of memory
15.01.54 #       <c0utta> that's ok if there's unlimited memory
15.02.07 #       <LinusN> maybe
15.02.55 #       <c0utta> i have it working now, so i need to do some thorough testing
15.03.23 #       <LinusN> nice
15.05.09 #       <dwihno> LinusN: so how is your rld fix testing going?
15.05.28 #       <LinusN> committed a fix, and sent an email to the list about it
15.05.57 #       <dwihno> Yay
15.06.00 #       <LinusN> well, the fix isn't 100%, but it did improve my situation
15.06.01 #       <dwihno> I keep my fingers crossed.
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15.09.16 #       <LinusN> cu around
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18.06.01 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
18.07.25 #       <Lethal|Bert> hey :)
18.07.54 #       <Lethal|Bert> i am writing a detailed tutorial on how to convert video files to rvf right now (because i think i finally figured everything out yesterday)
18.07.56 #       <Lethal|Bert> :)
18.08.01 #       <Quelsaruk> Lethal|Bert, did you?
18.08.02 #       <Quelsaruk> great
18.08.04 #       <Lethal|Bert> yes
18.08.10 #       <Quelsaruk> i tried avisynth
18.08.27 #       <Quelsaruk> and i think is quite powerful
18.09.24 #       <Quelsaruk> i have to *study* the functions, but i think you can make a automatized output avi, so the script controls if you need to change framerate, size.. everything :)
18.09.55 #       <Quelsaruk> you only need to say the input file, and virtualdub does everything
18.11.00 #       <Lethal|Bert> that's cool
18.12.15 #       <Quelsaruk> as you suspected. does the framerate has anything to do with video/audio desyncronization?
18.13.19 #       <Lethal|Bert> yes
18.13.31 #       <Lethal|Bert> i tried a lot of different files and everything
18.13.45 #       <Lethal|Bert> and i got best results with a framerate of 20,00 without any decimal places
18.13.57 #       <Lethal|Bert> i think this should also work for rates like 25,00
18.14.17 #       <Quelsaruk> i think so
18.14.25 #       <Quelsaruk> i just made one with 25
18.14.44 #       <Quelsaruk> and worked
18.15.34 #       <Quelsaruk> and, it's strange, i can't make virtualdub files work on avitoyuv later on, but, if virtualdub opens a avisynth file (a script) then it works perfectly
18.16.20 #       <Quelsaruk> maybe a script is the easiest way of reducing the file, for a newbie. well.. if they can read some instructions and just add the file name :)
18.16.53 #       <Lethal|Bert> yeah
18.19.01 #       <Quelsaruk> anyway
18.19.21 #       <Quelsaruk> your experience is needed, to add support to the rvf howto :)
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18.21.19 #       <Lethal|Bert> :)
18.21.29 #       <Lethal|Bert> i am uploading this at the moment and correcting some english mistakes
18.23.21 #       <Quelsaruk> uploading?
18.23.22 #       <Quelsaruk> where?
18.24.09 #       <Lethal|Bert> on my own webspace first. i want to correct it and have an overview of it
18.24.17 #       <Quelsaruk> ok
18.24.20 #       <Quelsaruk> sounds good
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18.46.18 #       <Lethal|Bert> Quelsaruk: it's finished so far.. http://home.t-online.de/home/realtetra/rvftutorial/
18.46.34 #       <Lethal|Bert> maybe i could add some more stuff to the troubleshooting section
18.46.48 #       <Lethal|Bert> but i can't think of anything more right now
18.47.46 #       <Quelsaruk> umm
18.47.52 #       <Quelsaruk> which resize do you use?
18.48.06 #       <Quelsaruk> i recomend bilinear resize or even bicubic
18.48.14 #       <Quelsaruk> but not nearest neighbor
18.48.15 #       <Lethal|Bert> oooh yeah
18.48.22 #       <Lethal|Bert> i forgot to add that
18.48.29 #       <Lethal|Bert> ill do that really quick
18.52.10 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
18.52.47 #       <Lethal|Bert> damn... have to redo the screenshot as well.. lol
18.53.23 #       <Quelsaruk> hehe
18.53.29 #       <Quelsaruk> better to do that
18.53.30 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
18.54.06 #       <Quelsaruk> i really think about avisynth scripts :)
18.54.31 #       <Quelsaruk> but that should wait until next week
18.55.42 #       <Lethal|Bert> okay i have to go for a few. dinner time..
18.56.49 #       <Lethal|Bert> i redid the screenshot and added a line for the filter mode
18.57.13 #       <Lethal|Bert> if you or anyone should have any use of this tutorial feel free to use it
18.57.16 #       <Lethal|Bert> i'll be back later
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19.25.27 #       <Quelsaruk> c0utta, how's your work :)
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20.14.22 #       <Quelsaruk> time to go
20.14.26 #       <Quelsaruk> have a nice weekend!
20.14.31 #       <Quelsaruk> cu
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20.52.58 #       <midknight2k3> yay
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21.02.33 #       <Neurosupherot> someone here?
21.04.51 #       <midknight2k3> i am
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21.23.09 #       <midknight2k3> BC
21.23.10 #       <midknight2k3> YAY
21.23.22 #       <Bluechip> evnin all
21.23.53 #       <Bluechip> hye mk, did you ever have a copy of my audio plugin?
21.26.07 #       <midknight2k3> a while ago, but it was for fm and now only haverecorder
21.26.37 #       <Bluechip> the plugin should have worked on both - I was only wondering if it still worked
21.27.14 #       <Bluechip> looking for the quick solution ...I shall find time to compile it up again
21.27.46 #       <Bluechip> biggest issue is that it does not save it's settings inline with the rest of the firmware
21.28.44 #       <Bluechip> ok -cheers dude
21.31.14 #       <midknight2k3> going?
21.32.48 #       <Bluechip> too quiet in here
21.34.04 #       <midknight2k3> aww
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23.05.20 #       <track> hi
23.06.20 #       <Bluechip> ho
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23.12.06 #       <track> hi Zagor
23.12.08 #       <track> hi Hardeep
23.12.46 #       <hardeep> hi
23.13.07 #       <Zagor> howdy
23.13.53 #       <Bluechip> oohh, the big boys are in ...evenin' gentlemen
23.14.05 #       <Zagor> :-)
23.14.08 #       <track> ;-)
23.14.50 #       <Bluechip> may i venture to ask if either of you know how to generate a new font using windows freebie software?
23.15.10 #       <Bluechip> come to that, as it's a one off, I'd be prepared to keygen something
23.15.45 #       <Zagor> the only font editor I know of is pfaedit
23.15.50 #       <track> i just like an italic version of Atadore Bluechip
23.16.06 #       <Zagor> the cygwin (win32) version is apparently problematic
23.16.23 #       <Bluechip> yes, I had heard that, although to be honest I have not tried it myself
23.16.30 #       <Bluechip> "Atadore" huh?
23.16.52 #       <Zagor> it's a mix between the old atari and commodore fonts
23.16.57 #       <Zagor> iirc
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23.17.16 #       <Bluechip> oh! atadore is a font, not an editor?
23.17.22 #       <Zagor> yes
23.18.02 #       <Bluechip> it's ashame, it's pretty much all that's between me and getting the new audio stuff finished - 3000 lines of code waiting for a font - lol
23.18.45 #       <Zagor> what's the new audio stuff?
23.19.17 #       <Bluechip> I did a full blown plugin with % *AND* db scales, LINE OUT mode, full stereo seperation, etc etc
23.19.51 #       <Bluechip> each option can be switched to ADVANCED mode for full access to the MAS registers
23.19.56 #       <Zagor> ...and it requires a custom font?
23.20.25 #       <Bluechip> I did it to fit on one screen, which required a new font, Linus suggested that it could not be included unless it had full font support
23.20.42 #       <midknight2k3> yo bc
23.20.45 #       <midknight2k3> hey zagor
23.20.46 #       <Bluechip> which means turning my hard-coded font into a "normal" font
23.20.52 #       <Bluechip> hey mk
23.21.22 #       <midknight2k3> Zagor, it's really nice :)
23.21.25 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: that still means it won't work until the user loads your special font, doesn't it?
23.21.43 #       <Bluechip> no, it would not fit on "one screen" without my new font
23.22.15 #       <Bluechip> even skeleton Scroll code is in place
23.23.24 #       <midknight2k3> it's good it's good
23.23.26 #       <midknight2k3> ok shuts up
23.23.26 #       <Bluechip> lol
23.23.31 #       <Bluechip> cheers mk ;)
23.23.36 #       <midknight2k3> :D
23.23.46 #       <midknight2k3> saay btw could you help me code this one thing
23.23.48 #       <midknight2k3> jk :D
23.23.53 #       <Bluechip> :P
23.24.00 #       <midknight2k3> *butters up bc
23.24.13 #       <Zagor> i bet it's good, but it sounds like it doesn't really fit into the rockbox plugin concept :-)
23.24.45 #       <midknight2k3> HO
23.24.47 #       <midknight2k3> oh*
23.24.48 #       <midknight2k3> wait
23.24.53 #       <midknight2k3> let's link "sound settings" to it
23.25.01 #       <midknight2k3> and if the plugin is absent we can just use a crappy menu
23.25.02 #       <midknight2k3> da!
23.25.31 #       <midknight2k3> oh i'm gonna try to make a calculator plugin woohoo
23.25.33 #       <Bluechip> no not really, I think the destination was to use it as the new Sound Settings screen eventually, the code has a bunch of #ifdefs so it will compile as either
23.25.33 #       <midknight2k3> it will rock
23.26.01 #       <midknight2k3> just have to think of an interface
23.26.16 #       <Zagor> i don't see us adding a specific "sound settings font" though...
23.26.32 #       <Zagor> anyway, i'll stop ranting until i see it :-)
23.26.53 #       <Bluechip> no, that was just because *I* wanted it to fit all on one screen - other like scrolling
23.27.01 #       <Zagor> ah, ok
23.27.37 #       <Bluechip> I'll send the code over if u like?
23.28.11 #       <Zagor> sure
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23.38.28 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: i guess i need your modified plugin.[ch] too?
23.38.36 #       <midknight2k3> HA!
23.38.38 #       <midknight2k3> i mean
23.38.42 #       <midknight2k3> i bet so
23.39.56 #       <Bluechip> ahhhhh, it'll be of little use to you as it stands because I haven't compiled it since the major changes that happened over the new year
23.40.29 #       <Bluechip> I'll pull out the few lines you need...
23.41.53 #       <Bluechip> think these are them...
23.41.53 #       <Bluechip>     int (*mas_codec_writereg)(int reg, unsigned int val);
23.41.53 #       <Bluechip>     int (*mas_readmem)(int bank, int addr, unsigned long* dest, int len);
23.41.53 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bluechip
23.41.53 #       <Bluechip>     int (*mas_writemem)(int bank, int addr, unsigned long* src, int len);
23.42.25 #       <Bluechip> readreg is already defined
23.44.34 #       <hardeep> btw, here is a pretty good list of font editors/creators: http://www-cgrl.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/editors.html
23.45.10 #       <Zagor> whoa. BIG!
23.45.17 #       <Bluechip> cool - thanks
23.45.18 #       <Bluechip> lol
23.45.32 #       <Bluechip> the thanks was aimed at Hardeep  :D
23.45.37 #       <Zagor> ;)
23.45.40 #       <Bluechip> LMAO
23.45.55 #       <Bluechip> (gotta love asynch comms)
23.46.18 #       <track> can you use any generic font editor to make Rockbox fonts?
23.49.42 #       <midknight2k3> who died?
23.49.49 #       <track> hi midk
23.49.53 #       <midknight2k3> hi track
23.50.31 #       <Zagor> rather cryptic icons :)
23.51.02 #       <track> Mid can you use any generic font editor to make rockbox fonts?
23.51.34 #       <Bluechip> Simple enough to change to your favourite icons ...I must confess, I am now artist - LOL
23.51.40 #       <Bluechip> s/now/no/g
23.53.00 #       <Zagor> but... why the new font? this is no smaller than the system font!?
23.53.28 #       <Bluechip> !? You sure - I can't believe I missed that! :O
23.53.39 #       <midknight2k3> it is smaller
23.54.15 #       <Zagor> system font is 8 pixels high = 8 lines of text on screen. same as yours.
23.54.28 #       <track> what new font?
23.54.40 #       <Zagor> try "debug->view hw info" for example
23.54.53 #       <track> is that where the new font is zag?
23.55.27 #       <Bluechip> my font is 6 high
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23.55.41 #       <Bluechip> +1 between lines
23.55.56 #       <Zagor> well you still only use 8 lines of text
23.56.13 #       <Bluechip> +1 for the status bar
23.56.22 #       <Bluechip> actually, ignore that
23.58.25 #       <Bluechip> well if it will fit with an existing font then we have a solution!