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02.39.23 #       <midk> \o/
02.39.27 #       <midk> ;D
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06.55.46 #       <midknight2k3> GRRRRRRRRRR
07.21.45 #       <midknight2k3> any idea why i'm getting uclpack errors?
07.29.55 #       <midknight2k3> ttyl all
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10.32.07 #       <Neurosupherot> somenoe here?
10.32.14 #       <Neurosupherot> anyone here can help me?
10.36.00 #       <c0utta{afk}> yes, i'm here
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10.48.12 #       <Neurosupherot> ok
10.48.34 #       <Neurosupherot> ive tried to transfomr a picture with gimp
10.48.42 #       <Neurosupherot> 1 bit, monochrome
10.48.57 #       <Neurosupherot> but bmp2rb.exe dont work again
10.49.05 #       <[1]c0utta> i've never used gimp :(
10.49.11 #       <Neurosupherot> i dont know how to convert pîctures
10.49.23 #       <Neurosupherot> do u already used bmp2rb?
10.49.28 #       <[1]c0utta> i know that bmp2rb.exe is very fussy
10.50.38 #       <Neurosupherot> :/
10.50.48 #       <Neurosupherot> do you have any documentation about it?
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10.58.45 #       <Neurosupherot> nbbler?
10.58.58 #       <Neurosupherot> do u already uised bmp2rb?
10.59.03 #       <Neurosupherot> Nibbler
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13.18.45 #       <mattzz> hi
13.18.54 #       <c0utta> l o
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18.50.05 #       <Dogger> hi all
18.50.19 #       <top_bloke> hi
18.50.51 #       <Dogger> hows it going?
18.51.12 #       <top_bloke> alright
18.52.16 #       <Dogger> anyone know much on the mas here?
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18.52.40 #       <top_bloke> not me
18.54.27 #       <Dogger> k
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19.32.31 #       <midknight2k3> hey
19.32.56 #       <top_bloke> yo mid
19.33.07 #       <midknight2k3> toppy
19.33.13 #       <top_bloke> word
19.33.22 #       <top_bloke> i updated my rockbox!
19.33.33 #       <midknight2k3> uh, yay
19.33.38 #       <top_bloke> word
19.33.47 #       <top_bloke> proudly running a daily-20040312 build
19.33.57 #       <midknight2k3> uh that's way old
19.34.05 #       <midknight2k3> oh wait
19.34.08 #       <midknight2k3> nm
19.34.08 #       <midknight2k3> :D
19.34.15 #       <top_bloke> wtf
19.34.19 #       <top_bloke> thats brand NEW
19.34.25 #       <midknight2k3> i know
19.34.28 #       <midknight2k3> i said nm
19.34.38 #       <midknight2k3> i thought it was like 4/20/04
19.34.40 #       <top_bloke> oh
19.34.45 #       <top_bloke> future?
19.34.51 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
19.35.03 #       <top_bloke> i put in all these changes
19.35.07 #       <top_bloke> man it was hard
19.35.13 #       <midknight2k3> like what
19.35.18 #       <top_bloke> a lot
19.35.27 #       <midknight2k3> likeeee?
19.35.31 #       <top_bloke> and i finally put in shuffle in the playlist viewer
19.35.41 #       <midknight2k3> good
19.36.00 #       <top_bloke> yeah
19.36.14 #       <top_bloke> and a button to move a file after the one youre playing
19.36.33 #       <midknight2k3> "queue"?
19.37.13 #       <top_bloke> um
19.37.21 #       <midknight2k3> yes.
19.37.23 #       <midknight2k3> cool.
19.37.32 #       <top_bloke> whats the diff b/w quee and add
19.38.41 #       <top_bloke> it takes the file youre pointing at in the playlist viewer and moves it to 1 spot after whats playing
19.39.06 #       <midknight2k3> uh
19.39.09 #       <midknight2k3> cool
19.39.12 #       <midknight2k3> code it yourself
19.39.12 #       <midknight2k3> ?
19.39.18 #       <top_bloke> yeah
19.39.24 #       <top_bloke> it was hardcore
19.39.34 #       <top_bloke> i stayed up coding it
19.40.28 #       <midknight2k3> LOL
19.40.31 #       <top_bloke> and then i was so happy wheni did it
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20.17.34 #       <midknight2k3> yo
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21.15.56 #       <Dogger> hi Zagor
21.16.01 #       <Zagor> howdy
21.16.15 #       <Dogger> you know about mas right?
21.16.59 #       <Zagor> it's not dma??? that's odd, that's the only thing that *is* dma on the old models :-)
21.17.08 #       <Dogger> yeah
21.17.11 #       <Dogger> its strange
21.17.20 #       <Dogger> 8 gio lines go direct to the mas
21.17.25 #       <Dogger> data lines I mean
21.17.35 #       <Dogger> I havent found the code yet, and cant find the other control lines
21.17.48 #       <Dogger> but at the moment, looks like its done in software over that
21.17.58 #       <Zagor> how silly
21.18.04 #       <Dogger> yeah seems odd to me
21.18.15 #       <Dogger> perhaps they couldnt work out how to fix the mas to the chips dma
21.18.26 #       <Dogger> ata is all thats done via dma on av300 it seems
21.18.30 #       <Dogger> apart from sdram of course
21.18.50 #       <Dogger> I've got the mp3 decoder to run,
21.18.58 #       <Dogger> but still cant quite get to send it data
21.19.08 #       <Dogger> hey! I found the wav decoding code the other day ;)
21.19.17 #       <Dogger> you have to upload dsp code to the mas chip
21.19.20 #       <Dogger> I found the dsp code
21.19.32 #       <Dogger> shouldn't be too hard I dont think
21.19.44 #       <Dogger> although legalities of using the dsp code might get in the way
21.19.58 #       <Zagor> yeah
21.20.12 #       <Dogger> although if you just tell people where to get the dsp code,
21.20.15 #       <Zagor> can be worked around by making an extractor, thus using the code shipped by archos
21.20.16 #       <Dogger> like how to extract it,
21.20.21 #       <Dogger> then they can build it themself
21.20.29 #       <Dogger> sure
21.20.40 #       <Dogger> would be cool to get wav playback working
21.20.49 #       <Dogger> wma is done via the main dsp though
21.20.57 #       <Dogger> then I think its sent to the mas as a wav
21.21.06 #       <Zagor> yikes
21.21.12 #       <Dogger> yeah not very nice
21.21.27 #       <Dogger> did you see I got tv out working
21.21.35 #       <Zagor> yup.
21.21.52 #       <Zagor> can you control the cpu clocking, or otherwise affect power use?
21.21.54 #       <Dogger> handy that archos included a memory peek in their serial interface ;)
21.21.59 #       <Zagor> hehe
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21.22.12 #       <Dogger> yes as far as I know you can do power save on the cpu, and on the dsp as well
21.22.30 #       <Dogger> then obviously you have backlight brightness (not worked out yet), and ata power down
21.22.36 #       <Zagor> yeah
21.23.09 #       <Dogger> got a compact flash to pcmcia converter
21.23.25 #       <Dogger> tried using it on the av300, but am not sure its pumping out enough power for the ethernet card
21.23.37 #       <Dogger> the card doesnt seem to get power
21.23.47 #       <Dogger> prolly a shot in the dark really at this stage ;)
21.23.49 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.23.57 #       <Dogger> that stuff is done in a CPLD though
21.24.00 #       <Dogger> which is a right pain
21.24.05 #       <Dogger> all proprietory
21.24.10 #       <Dogger> and doesn't seem very good either
21.24.27 #       <Dogger> if you read certain memory addresses used to control the cpld the unit just shuts down
21.24.56 #       <Zagor> ouch
21.25.06 #       <Dogger> oh did you try 0.6e bootloader by the way?
21.25.32 #       <Dogger> seems to work, havent had any bugs yet... apart from a lamer who said 'when I select a video from the bootloader it doesnt play!'
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21.40.18 #       <Zagor> i haven't tried it yet. only seen it on your page.
21.43.26 #       <Dogger> k makes development easier with the usb mode and return from apps to bootloader
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21.45.18 #       <Dogger> non dma mas is a pain tho. gonna use up some cpu cycles :(
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21.55.25 #       <silencer_> does the spoken menus function works (can work, even if not finished) in the latest daily build ?
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22.09.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor, u there?
22.16.06 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: nice work on the patches... however I do not get voices in the top menu.
22.16.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> interesting...
22.16.24 #       <elinenbe> I will pull the latest CVS and try that and then get back to you.
22.16.31 #       <elinenbe> with the lastest english.voice
22.16.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd like to find out why
22.16.41 #       <elinenbe> I think that file should be zipped on your server too...
22.17.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, it won't compress well
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22.17.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and a transmission error is very unlikely
22.17.44 #       <elinenbe> then put a .par file there or a .sfv file... just so you can be sure.
22.17.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's paranoid
22.18.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not done for any other
22.18.12 #       <elinenbe> I guess but you never know.
22.18.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> about the symptom:
22.18.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is it just the top entries missing,
22.18.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or also the tree below?
22.18.49 #       <elinenbe> let me check again and get back to you...
22.18.51 #       <elinenbe> hold on.
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22.21.28 #       <mattzz> Hi Joerg
22.21.56 Ctcp    Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 50 minutes at the last flood
22.21.56 #       * mattzz just switched desktops
22.22.29 #       <diddystar5> hi mattzz
22.22.47 #       <mattzz> Any chance for my mandelbrot plugin to make it into CVS?
22.22.52 #       <mattzz> hi diddystar5
22.22.58 #       <diddystar5> humm  i have no more creativity for rockbox ever since my jukebox died :(
22.23.04 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: here now
22.24.11 #       <Zagor> mattzz: sure, your plugin can go in cvs. someone just needs to check it first :-)
22.24.39 #       <mattzz> Zagor: OK, I feel better now ;-)
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22.26.44 #       <hardeep> Zagor: is stack size really all that important for the create_playlist() function?  It's called from the main thread which has 8k of stack space.  Debug menu shows that it uses about 25% leave ~6k.
22.27.06 #       <elinenbe> 1.200.225 should be the size of the english.voice file and that should be in the .rockbox dir -- right?
22.27.07 #       <hardeep> that's like 20 recursions assuming stack usage of 300 per call
22.27.08 #       <Zagor> hardeep: how deep is your deepest level?
22.27.14 #       <hardeep> is my math wrong somewhere?
22.27.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: in .rockbox/langs/
22.27.44 #       <elinenbe> hardeep: what are you working on?
22.27.56 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: okay -- let me try...
22.28.10 #       <hardeep> we can even cap the levels to 10... who really has a directory structure larger than that
22.28.16 #       <Zagor> no you're right. i'm just being paranoid about it. we should rewrite it to work with a single buffer anyway. someone is bound to cause a stack overflow otherwise.
22.28.22 #       <hardeep> elinenbe: absolutely nothing. :)
22.28.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: you also get that no-voice bug at the top menu?
22.28.50 #       <Zagor> yes
22.28.58 #       <elinenbe> oh...
22.29.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I's like to find out why, can't reproduce
22.29.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd
22.29.33 #       <Zagor> any suggestions?
22.30.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you gdb?
22.31.13 #       <Zagor> not the recorder, i'm afraid
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22.31.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> does it appear on a Player, too?
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22.32.10 #       <Zagor> i haven't tried it. my player's charger is busted, so it's always out of batteries :-)
22.32.22 #       <Dogger> Zagor: quick question about mas, sorry couldnt find it in the code..... Once I've told the mas to start the mp3 decoder app, and verified its started, do I then just need to send it data, or do I need to tell the mas anything else?
22.32.50 #       <Dogger> (i've done the codec setup, config setup etc)
22.33.23 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I just tested it... Top menus work, but the FFwd/Rewind menu does not talk (just the top menu) -- the items in that menu speak
22.33.27 #       <Zagor> Dogger: i don't know, actually. linus wrote nearly all the mas code, and i haven't looked much at it.
22.33.34 #       <Dogger> ah ok np
22.34.08 #       <Zagor> except that we of course don't send it any data...
22.34.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: are you running a bleeding edge buils or such?
22.34.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> build
22.34.42 #       <Dogger> Zagor: you just tell DMA to?
22.34.43 #       <elinenbe> bleeding edge -- just pulled the latest CVS
22.34.48 #       <Zagor> Dogger: yup
22.34.49 #       <elinenbe> 10 minutes ago.
22.34.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK
22.34.58 #       <Dogger> Zagor: damn you! Wish av300 was that simple lol
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22.35.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I just tested it... Top menus work, but the FFwd/Rewind menu does not talk
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22.36.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I get that, too, probably a missing ID
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22.36.34 #       <diddystar5> is it possible to compress an iso image?
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22.38.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> elinenbe: yep, voice entry was missing
22.39.38 #       <Zagor> diddystar5: sure. an iso is uncompressed.
22.40.56 #       <diddystar5> Zagor: ok thanks     i will try with a rar
22.41.07 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: where are you getting the voices from?
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22.41.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a TTS program called TextAloud
22.41.50 #       <elinenbe> [IDC]Dragon: I was just wondering how hard it would be to auto-build the lang.voice as part of the build?
22.42.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not hard
22.43.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with some homebrewn tools, it's currently a matter of a few batch files and running TextAloud
22.43.39 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: did you get a license for those at&t voices?
22.43.50 #       <Zagor> or what was that all about?
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22.52.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no debugging any more today, I'm afraid. Have to say goodnight!
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23.31.13 #       <hardeep> hmmm, firmware size is inching it's way back to 200k
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23.31.42 #       <Zagor> yeah..
23.32.25 #       <Zagor> i guess we could move some of the recording code to a plugin
23.40.43 #       <hardeep> well, it's probably not urgent unless [IDC]Dragon decides to add that 3d graphics engine =)
23.40.52 #       <Zagor> hehe
23.41.15 #       <hardeep> Zagor: Do you have any problems with the nested playlist idea?  I was going to go over the patch to make sure everything looks good
23.41.15 #       <Zagor> the new unicode/utf8 support could add some size though.
23.41.19 #       <hardeep> true
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23.41.45 #       <Zagor> i don't quite remember the concept. you don't have a mail archive link?
23.43.08 #       <hardeep> http://www.mcintoshfamily.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rockbox/nestedplaylistdesign.htm
23.46.58 #       <amiconn> Zagor, hardeep: I had an idea recently to get the recording code a bit smaller...
23.49.06 #       <Zagor> hardeep: that's a rather complex design. remind me why we need nested playlists again...?
23.52.54 #       <hardeep> Zagor: it actually sounds more complicated then it really is.  I wouldn't say we need nested playlists but it's convenient to have when trying to group multiple playlists together.
23.53.52 #       <hardeep> it's also handy when inserting playlists into the dynamic playlists... we would no longer have to write out every track from the playlist
23.53.58 #       <Zagor> have you read the code yet? how is he loading playlists? it seems to me there'll be a lot of swapping back and forth, or some sort of memory alloction scheem
23.54.44 #       <hardeep> it's actually pretty clean....  he just recursively loads the playlists as they arrive
23.54.48 #       <hardeep> storing the indices