--- Log for 13.04.104  Server: truong.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: logbot_  Version: Dancer V4.16p1  Started: 2 months and 0 days ago

00.00.13 #       <Bagder> hardeep's patch adds an #ifdef in the generated source it produces
00.00.58 #       <Bagder> the generated source is put in the build dir for the particular target you build for
00.01.27 #       <BC> well it certainly no longer GPFs :)
00.01.38 #       <amiconn> Ooops. Apparently I did not look at it closely enough...
00.02.07 #       <Bagder> I think it looks fine
00.02.14 #       <Bagder> but then I don't run the win32 sim ;-)
00.03.20 #       <BC> So what is the "correct" (?) way to get the root dir problem solved do you think?
00.04.01 #       <Bagder> BC: the exact same way the x11 sim already does, by expecting an 'archos' directory to be present and use that as archos root dir
00.04.16 #       <BC> I will go hunting now....
00.04.23 #       <Bagder> see the file.h/io.c files in x11/
00.04.31 #       <Bagder> and compare with the file.c/io.c files in win32
00.04.36 #       <BC> thanks :)
00.04.55 #       <BC> errrrr, why has sourceforge stopped recognising &quot;
00.05.00 #       <BC> lol
00.05.18 #       <amiconn> Bagder: The problem that the Win32 sim stumbled upon was that the font structures were declared "const" since Linus' patch. The Rockbox code then memcpy()s _to_ these structures.
00.06.04 #       <Bagder> aha
00.06.16 #       <Bagder> how silly ;-)
00.07.25 #       <Bagder> but then it should be fixed now
00.07.32 #       <amiconn> Yes - this is certainly something that the Win32 sim (as well as me!) doesn't expect for a _const_
00.07.33 #       <Bagder> since the const is gone for the sim
00.07.53 #       <amiconn> I wonder why Linus did that patch.
00.08.47 #       <BC> wow - a LOT more work has been done on the X11Sim !!
00.09.00 #       <Bagder> surprise surprise! ;-)
00.10.07 #       <BC> you?
00.10.12 #       <BC> hehe
00.10.53 #       <Bagder> well, historicly we've been more people who have used and poked on the X11 one
00.15.14 #       <Bagder> sleep time
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00.53.27 #       <BC> diddymoon :)
00.53.39 #       <BC> star
00.53.44 #       <BC> (darn wrong celestial body)
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02.41.45 #       <diddystar5> bye bye
02.42.17 #       <diddystar5> byeb ye
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04.30.17 #       <BC> scott, say hi, when ur free
04.30.21 #       <scott666_> hi
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05.48.45 #       <JohnnyDemocracy> is anyone having problems running the vbs script?
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05.51.31 #       <BC> sorry dont use it
05.54.11 #       <JohnnyDemocracy> i ran it prior to the format change to .tbx and it worked
05.54.37 #       <JohnnyDemocracy> then i redownloaded the new one Jorg linked to and its says its corrupt
06.18.10 #       <JohnnyDemocracy> hmmm seems the script doesnt want to rename .dirname.mp3 to .tbx
06.30.51 #       <JohnnyDemocracy> hmm works now on all but one mp3 folder
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07.32.44 #       <Douche_Nutz> hi is anyone here?
07.34.02 #       <BC> am now
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07.34.31 #       <Douche_Nutz> could you help me update my archos?  after flashing version 2.1 im having trouble getting 2.2 loaded
07.34.45 #       <BC> never done  a flash, sorry
07.35.06 #       <Douche_Nutz> i dont want to flash it again but im wondering if i just need to run a ucl file or something...
07.35.13 #       <Douche_Nutz> no clue though?
07.35.35 #       <BC> if u r not flashing, then just put the new f/w in root :)
07.35.38 #       <AwishStar> can anyone help me?  somehow my FM Rec is missing 2GB.
07.35.56 #       <Douche_Nutz> i think thats normal actually
07.36.13 #       <BC> just reporting errors
07.36.15 #       <Douche_Nutz> nah i have to do more than put the firmware in the root
07.36.23 #       <BC> too many different ways to work it out
07.36.37 #       <BC> DN: hmmm, that must be a post-flashed thing
07.36.49 #       <Douche_Nutz> hmm?
07.37.17 #       <BC> a thinking noise
07.37.23 #       <Douche_Nutz> yeah it is... it sucks... ill read through the manual again though... thanks for trying
07.37.41 #       <BC> im very very surprised that jorg did that
07.37.47 #       <BC> not his normal style at all
07.38.29 #       <Douche_Nutz> did what?
07.38.43 #       <BC> the thing that sucks
07.38.56 #       <BC> need more toast - brb
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07.51.13 #       <BC> bak
07.51.27 #       <BC> btw - i trust douche means something else locally to you - lol
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08.01.53 #       <Douche_Nutz> anyone else here besides bc? :)
08.02.42 #       <BC> :P ;)
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08.11.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> somebody called?
08.11.39 #       <BC> good morning squire :)
08.12.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (had to look that up)
08.12.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thanks
08.12.27 #       <BC> lol - ur welcome :)
08.12.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Douche_Nutz: what's your problem?
08.22.33 #       <Douche_Nutz> upgrading to version 2.2 after flashing with v 2.1
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08.23.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Douche_Nutz: play a .ucl to upgrade
08.23.33 #       <Douche_Nutz> it gives me an error: "incompatible version"
08.23.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then your plugins don't match
08.24.28 #       <Douche_Nutz> ive made sure i copied over the .rockbox directory so shouldnt they?
08.24.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> download the version you want (including plugins), play the .ajz torun it first, then play the .ucl
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08.25.10 #       <Douche_Nutz> okay one other question... does version to have a .rockbox folder with the plugins or a ROCKS folder?
08.25.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ?
08.25.36 #       <Douche_Nutz> nevermind
08.26.06 #       <Douche_Nutz> i had been forgetting to run the .ajz file...
08.27.38 #       <Douche_Nutz> thanks
08.28.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> u r welcome
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10.12.44 #       <ropodika> anyone around?
10.12.58 #       <ropodika> not really rockbox related question!
10.13.02 #       <LinusN> hola
10.13.30 #       <ropodika> hey :)
10.13.45 #       <ropodika> the usb drivers keep locking up windows
10.13.49 #       <ropodika> it's driving me crazy
10.14.10 #       <ropodika> for the jukebox 6000
10.15.36 #       <LinusN> which windows?
10.15.41 #       <LinusN> which drivers?
10.15.41 #       <ropodika> xp
10.16.25 #       <ropodika> USB Storage Adapter V2 (TPP)
10.16.32 #       <ropodika> but they are all bad
10.16.39 #       <ropodika> i've always had problems
10.17.01 #       <LinusN> you tried the Cypress drivers?
10.18.02 #       <ropodika> hmm nope
10.18.20 #       <ropodika> any idea where i can find them?
10.19.04 #       <LinusN> on the cypress site, but the latest won't work with the Studio/Player
10.19.09 #       <LinusN> give me two minutes
10.19.25 #       <ropodika> awesome, thanks
10.20.38 #       <LinusN> http://linus.haxx.se/cypress_usb_storage_drivers_5.16.zip
10.21.04 #       <ropodika> You don't have permission to access /cypress_usb_storage_drivers_5.16.zip on this server.
10.21.13 #       <LinusN> cypress is the manufacturer of the USB chip in the Archos
10.21.51 #       <LinusN> try again
10.22.04 #       <ropodika> excellent
10.22.08 #       <ropodika> hope this works
10.22.11 #       <LinusN> me too
10.22.28 #       <ropodika> i originally installed the drivers on the archos cd
10.22.31 #       <ropodika> which now doesn't work
10.22.39 #       <LinusN> broken cd?
10.22.43 #       <ropodika> when i try to install the v2 drivers
10.22.53 #       <ropodika> it just reboots xp
10.22.56 #       <LinusN> ouch
10.23.09 #       * LinusN goes to fill his coffee cup
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10.25.04 #       <bzzt____> did it again
10.25.14 #       <bzzt____> i've deleted every file
10.25.21 #       <bzzt____> it installs
10.25.29 #       <bzzt____> i don't know why it's rebooting
10.25.40 #       <LinusN> bzzt____: huh?
10.25.41 #       <bzzt____> unless i'm missing one
10.26.16 #       <bzzt____> <-- ropodika
10.26.40 #       <LinusN> you want to kick ropodika?
10.26.57 Mode    "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10.27.11 #       <bzzt____> yeah if you can
10.27.15 #       <bzzt____> should time out soon
10.27.21 Kick    (#rockbox ropodika :LinusN) by LinusN!~linus@labb.contactor.se
10.27.52 #       <bzzt____> i delete all the tpp*.* files from my windows
10.27.55 #       <LinusN> do you have any other usb devices on the bus?
10.27.58 #       <bzzt____> plus the oem*.inf
10.28.05 #       <bzzt____> just a mouse
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10.28.36 #       <LinusN> so it reboots when you install the drivers?
10.28.45 #       <bzzt____> yeah
10.29.03 #       <LinusN> that sux
10.29.12 #       <bzzt____> i usually have problems when i start the archos
10.29.15 #       <bzzt____> where it might reboot
10.29.23 #       <LinusN> it == the pc?
10.29.25 #       <bzzt____> but never when i'm trying to install the drivers
10.29.40 #       <bzzt____> well it happens on my work pc as well
10.29.43 #       <bzzt____> and my other pc
10.29.54 #       <LinusN> same pc hardware?
10.29.57 #       <bzzt____> but never when i try to install
10.30.04 #       <bzzt____> nah completely different machines
10.30.24 #       <bzzt____> my work on is a dell/intel with win2k
10.30.30 #       <bzzt____> one
10.30.30 #       <LinusN> to be honest, i don't think i have used my Player with XP 
10.30.54 #       <LinusN> i have used it with W2K without probs
10.31.12 #       <LinusN> once
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10.36.45 #       <bzzt____> i have a lot of problems, no idea why :(
10.36.59 #       <bzzt____> ok, deleted every reference in the registry
10.37.06 #       <bzzt____> lemme reboot and try this again
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10.37.58 #       <LinusN> amiconn|work: i did the const patch because i didn't like that the (constant) font data had to be copied to the data segment at boot, for no reason
10.38.57 #       <LinusN> there was no real problem having it like before
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10.39.21 #       <LinusN> i didn't think the simulators would choke on it, and the builds were all green
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11.22.11 #       <Nando> Hi Folks
11.23.01 #       <Nando> Is there somebody who'd perfectly know how to intall the voice function on a jb fm recorder ?
11.23.49 #       <LinusN> well...
11.24.09 #       <LinusN> talking menus is easy
11.24.20 #       <LinusN> talking directory names involves some work
11.24.21 #       <Nando> well i have some troubles with it
11.24.35 #       <Nando> I talk about menus
11.24.46 #       <Nando> I've successfully installed the rockbox features
11.24.53 #       <dwihno> How is the talking menues btw?
11.24.56 #       <dwihno> are
11.25.09 #       <dwihno> It says "sound configuration"
11.25.48 #       <Nando> Actually I can't hear anything
11.26.00 #       <Nando> Is there a special configuration to follow
11.26.15 #       <Nando> in a particular menu ?
11.26.19 #       <LinusN> first of all, you need to download and install a voice file
11.26.30 #       <Nando> That's done
11.26.40 #       <Nando> I dl the last english voice
11.27.27 #       <LinusN> and put it in .rockbox/langs/english.voice?
11.27.35 #       <Nando> yess I did
11.28.01 #       <LinusN> then you want to make sure that the talking menus are enabled in the settings
11.28.08 #       <LinusN> and that you have the latest daily build
11.28.28 #       <Nando> How is it possible to make such a thing ?
11.28.42 #       <LinusN> the settings?
11.29.00 #       <Nando> Well, I tried to verifiy it in the General Settings menus
11.29.24 #       <Nando> but I did not see anything about voices parmaeters ther'e
11.29.36 #       <Nando> sorry : parameters / there
11.29.46 #       <LinusN> General Settings->voice->voice menus should be "yes"
11.30.05 #       <LinusN> are you really running the latest daily build?
11.30.18 #       <Nando> I only have Playback, File View, Display, System, Bookmarking, Language
11.30.27 #       <Nando> yes
11.30.33 #       <Nando> I think so
11.30.39 #       <LinusN> go to info->version
11.30.53 #       <Nando> rockbox 2.2
11.31.01 #       <LinusN> that is not the latest daily build
11.31.09 #       <LinusN> that is version 2.2
11.31.48 #       <Nando> Well I feel a bit stupid now ....
11.31.52 #       <LinusN> :-)
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11.32.08 #       <Nando> Thx U so much
11.32.12 #       <LinusN> you're welcome
11.32.28 #       <Nando> U guys are really making an amazing and great work
11.32.57 #       <LinusN> thx
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11.34.27 #       <Christof> choquer alors 'l'ai ai po mise ^^
11.34.35 #       <Christof> oops
11.34.40 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.34.46 #       <Christof> HI
11.34.55 #       <LinusN> salut :-)
11.35.02 #       <Christof> ouha ca cause francais ^^
11.35.20 #       <Nando> J'ai la rage là : je pensais pô que vous étiez français les gars ...
11.35.42 #       <Christof> y'en a qui savent démonter un jukebox player 10Go?
11.35.52 #       <Christof> salut à tous d'abord (ro la politesse tout de même)
11.36.06 #       <Nando> slt
11.36.38 #       <LinusN> Christof: regarde ici: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/
11.37.06 #       <Christof> yeah ca rock's (j'avais po assez fouillé ^^)
11.37.09 #       <LinusN> (and please stick to english next time)
11.38.30 #       <Christof> sorry -_-"
11.38.46 #       <pfavr> Talking menus: what a cool feature! Can't wait to try it:-)
11.38.56 #       <LinusN> it rocks
11.40.05 #       <pfavr> are you using speech synthesis to create the voice files or is it recorded?
11.42.45 #       <Christof> on the website, it is not shown how to remove the hd... is it a classic nap?
11.46.02 #       <LinusN> pfavr: speech synthesis
11.46.42 #       <LinusN> Christof: just lift the far end and pull it out
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11.48.01 #       <Christof> mmm ok. I thought it was soldered
11.48.23 #       <LinusN> ah, no it isn't
11.48.57 #       <Christof> coool
11.49.10 #       <Christof> I didn't want to breack it more ^^"
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11.50.45 #       <LinusN> Christof: you can check here too: http://www.mctubster.com/hd.html
11.51.45 #       <Christof> woo tk
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12.21.52 #       <c0utta> Absolutely
12.21.59 #       <c0utta> Linus, you are a man of few words
12.34.00 #       <LinusN> c0utta: yes i am, most often when i'm busy or in a hurry
12.34.12 #       <LinusN> i assume you mean my reply to your email
12.35.27 #       <c0utta> Absolutely
12.35.50 #       <c0utta> you must be busy as i don't see you that often
12.35.50 #       <LinusN> :-)
12.36.19 #       <LinusN> i was away on vacation the last week
12.36.35 #       <c0utta> are you rested ?
12.36.48 #       <LinusN> guess not :-)
12.37.00 #       <c0utta> lol
12.37.46 #       <c0utta> as i wrote, i have been looking at many of the requirements for f2/f3
12.38.07 #       <c0utta> one of the major problems is the structure of tree.c
12.38.40 #       <c0utta> with respect to daniel of course
12.38.56 #       <LinusN> the current menu structure sucks big time imho
12.39.49 #       <c0utta> i agree - i'd love to consolidate menu and tree together - they form the same basic function
12.39.59 #       <c0utta> from an interface perspective
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12.40.31 #       <c0utta> how familiar are you with tree.c or is it all bagders work ?
12.40.53 #       <LinusN> lots of people have worked on tree.c, me included
12.41.23 #       <c0utta> there are no comments - it's very hard to work it out
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12.42.21 #       <LinusN> c0utta: yeah, it's not all that obvious
12.42.22 #       <c0utta> for bookmark functions i need to know the currently highlighted item (either file or directory)
12.43.00 #       <LinusN> look at how onplay() is called
12.43.40 #       <c0utta> i already have - it's very tightly integrated with dirbrowse
12.44.15 #       <LinusN> i was about to create a tree_current_item() function once, but i never did
12.46.11 #       <c0utta> i assume it'd be dircache[dircursor+dirstart].name
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12.46.51 #       <LinusN> yes, but that's only the file/dir name without the path
12.47.06 #       <c0utta> i noticed that too
12.47.33 #       <c0utta> too many undocumented statics
12.48.08 #       <LinusN> agreed
13.21.25 #       <amiconn|work> <LinusN> amiconn|work: i did the const patch because i didn't like that the (constant) font data had to be copied to the data segment at boot, for no reason
13.22.14 #       <amiconn|work> If the font data is really const, why is there memcpy()'ing to it?
13.22.25 #       <LinusN> in the simulator?
13.24.07 #       <amiconn|work> In both the simulator and the target; hardeep found that this was the root of the problem. The target has no memory protection, so it causes no problems there.
13.25.15 #       <LinusN> holy cow, i didn't remember that the font data is only half-baked
13.26.34 #       <LinusN> i guess i'll just revert that "fix"
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13.29.48 #       <amiconn|work> Hi Jörg!
13.30.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hey, tunneling from work works
13.30.21 #       <amiconn|work> :)
13.30.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I found an open IRC CGI client
13.30.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: are you there?
13.31.10 #       <amiconn|work> Just wanna tell you that I ordered TextAloud along with Natural Voices and one German voice.
13.31.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> nice
13.31.44 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: i'm here
13.31.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> welcome back
13.32.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have you seen my attempts to delete a dir?
13.32.30 #       <LinusN> amiconn|work: i reverted my silly const hack
13.32.35 #       <amiconn|work> The oder will take a while to execute, since delivery takes place directly from the US, but you can expect me to build german.voice in about 2 weeks or so.
13.32.41 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: didn't look closely
13.33.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I hope you can, sometime, no rush
13.33.15 #       <LinusN> amiconn|work: i think you can start right away with festival with mbrola german voices
13.33.35 #       <amiconn|work> LinusN: No Linux here.
13.34.04 #       <LinusN> festival/mbrola doesn't sound nearly as good as the AT&T and Microsoft voices though
13.34.15 #       <LinusN> but they are free
13.34.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not even as MS?
13.34.40 #       <LinusN> sounds quite 80's to me :-)
13.34.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> brr
13.35.42 #       <LinusN> well, it's not *that* bad, but you get pretty spoiled with the AT&T voices
13.35.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: I did some experiment to solve the breaks if aborting speech, switching clips
13.36.07 #       <LinusN> any progress?
13.36.08 #       <amiconn|work> The oder wasn't that expensive: € 83,- total including priority shipping.
13.36.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I now make a log about what's been passed to the MAS, later dump it into a file
13.36.45 #       <LinusN> ah
13.36.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> interesting outcome:
13.37.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the frame struct is OK, Winamp can play it nicely, but the AJB can't.
13.37.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> There must be something more than disabling bit reservoir
13.38.38 #       <LinusN> do you have a file i can examine?
13.38.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
13.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe the MAS doesn't like my single frames I inject
13.39.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Menawhile, they have a different sample rate than the voice file
13.40.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I can fix that and try again
13.41.30 #       <amiconn|work> [IDC]Dragon: I would also be interested in your dump file (would look at it this evening).
13.42.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll make a package later, not now.
13.44.05 #       <amiconn|work> [IDC]Dragon: You mentioned an open CGI IRC client. Could you tell me about?
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13.44.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> better not publicly
13.46.08 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: why don't you tunnel the irc as well, instead of a cgi hack?
13.46.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because I don't know web magic
13.46.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you need an outside client?
13.46.55 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: i don't think switching sample rate is a wise thing
13.47.01 #       <LinusN> web?
13.47.19 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: do you have a proxy at work?
13.47.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> web technology
13.47.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> proxy, yes
13.47.38 #       <LinusN> irc has nothing to do with the web
13.47.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but with port blocks
13.48.21 #       <LinusN> i use corkscrew combined with ssh to tunnel through a proxy
13.49.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> switching the sample rate isn't really intended, was just that this spacer frame matched an older sample rate
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13.49.17 #       <LinusN> i have an ssh server listening on port 443 at the office
13.49.46 #       <LinusN> that is the default https port, rarely blocked by a proxy
13.50.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I guess must but http is blocked from here
13.50.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> must/most
13.50.23 #       <LinusN> i then ssh through the proxy with corkscrew
13.50.35 #       <LinusN> https is blocked as well? i don't believe you
13.50.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I know ssh but no corkscrew
13.51.22 #       <LinusN> http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/
13.52.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what does ssh help me?
13.52.10 #       <LinusN> it can do port forwarding
13.53.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So I can use any IRC client, it catches the ports traffic, tunnels it through https port?
13.53.07 #       <LinusN> so you can map a remote irc port to a local port
13.53.17 #       <LinusN> yes
13.53.35 #       <LinusN> you need a remote machine with a ssh server on port 443
13.53.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but how can freenode handle traffic on https port?
13.54.00 #       <LinusN> then you can tunne any port you want
13.54.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so I do need a prepared remote machine?
13.54.28 #       <LinusN> yes
13.54.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> :(
13.55.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I would have to leave my PC on, with DynDNS or such?
13.55.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> home PC, I mean
13.55.58 #       <LinusN> that's a solution
13.56.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think I prefer this one, standalone
13.56.33 #       <LinusN> as long as it works for you
13.57.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I thought you have a solution that needs no outside translator
13.57.27 #       <LinusN> as a consultant, i roam from place to place, and it's nice, almost essential, to be able to access my IMAP, IRC, SSH etc from anywhere
13.57.43 #       <LinusN> corkscrew/ssh helps me with that
13.57.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you have haxx
13.58.04 #       <LinusN> haxx is just a side project
13.58.21 #       <LinusN> i work at Contactor
13.58.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you know CGIIRC ?
13.59.07 #       <LinusN> nope
13.59.27 #       <LinusN> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/ ?
13.59.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you could put it to the rockbox site, if nobody minds the traffic
13.59.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that one.
14.00.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can tailor the login to allow only "allowed" servers and channels
14.00.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so anybody can use rockbox IRC with a web browser
14.01.09 #       <LinusN> food for thoughts
14.01.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> munch, munch
14.01.41 #       <LinusN> hehe, maybe it's not desired to let "anybody" in
14.02.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can also restrict it
14.02.09 #       <LinusN> the irc has slowly become more of a support hit line than a tech talk channel
14.02.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> e.g. to group subscribers
14.02.17 #       <LinusN> hot line
14.02.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> true
14.02.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like the group
14.02.41 #       <LinusN> yeah
14.03.02 #       <LinusN> it's inevitable as the number of users increase
14.03.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> as the units age, it's dcreasing again
14.04.16 #       <LinusN> of course
14.07.01 #       <dwihno> Contact0r! :D
14.14.24 #       <c0utta> hey Jörg
14.15.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi
14.16.24 #       <c0utta> is it possible to insert a "beep" when using fast-forward or rewind ?
14.16.34 #       <c0utta> to indicate minutes ?
14.17.08 #       <LinusN> c0utta: yes
14.17.34 #       <c0utta> just interested, that's all
14.17.39 #       <LinusN> however, it is a bit complicated due to the internal workings of the mp3 playback
14.18.20 #       <c0utta> i'll steer clear of mp3 playback
14.18.25 #       <LinusN> :-)
14.18.55 #       <c0utta> <LinusN> the irc has slowly become more of a support hit line than a tech talk channel
14.19.13 #       <LinusN> c0utta: yes?
14.19.30 #       <c0utta> later rockbox features are really not for the uninitiated
14.19.43 #       <LinusN> absolutely not
14.19.47 #       <c0utta> video and voice seem to be the bulk of the activity
14.20.10 #       <LinusN> i'm referring to the "my jukebox won't start" and the "i can't install rockbox" questions
14.20.37 #       <LinusN> and the "i can't make the voice work"
14.20.40 #       <c0utta> i answer the "help me flash my box" type of questions
14.23.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have to write some kind of voice doc
14.23.33 #       <c0utta> it's hard when you're still developing
14.23.39 #       <LinusN> agreed
14.23.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> guess I caused all that support effort
14.24.12 #       <c0utta> it's worth it
14.24.14 #       <LinusN> at least the video stuff :-)
14.24.23 #       <LinusN> lots of talk about that
14.24.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> flash, video, voice: sounds familiar
14.24.36 #       <LinusN> hehe
14.24.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> video has some doc
14.24.57 #       <c0utta> the blind guys are certainly excited about voice
14.25.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but there's a new way of conversion coming up now
14.25.22 #       <c0utta> more support :)
14.25.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the blinds post like crazy, yes
14.25.37 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: how about adding a codec for transcode? http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/
14.26.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I read the magic Linux word in there, calling for somebody else
14.26.40 #       <LinusN> :-)
14.27.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> DirectShow is the way to do it in Microsoft
14.27.32 #       <LinusN> yup
14.27.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and I happened to be familiar with it
14.28.27 #       <LinusN> of course
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14.44.23 #       <c0utta> linus, according to newkeys, pressing f1 to exit the f1 menu is no longer valid.  am i correct ?
14.45.33 #       <LinusN> we have discussed that, and we think it is ok to leave the menu with the same key that entered it
14.47.53 #       <c0utta> exit top level f1 menu with f1/left/off - too many keys imho
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14.48.52 #       <LinusN> off?
14.48.58 #       <LinusN> ah, yes
14.49.19 #       <LinusN> i don't think Left should leave the top menu
14.49.50 #       <c0utta> i'll leave as is
14.50.05 #       <c0utta> i thought bagder was going to put newkeys into the docs ?
14.52.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> speaking about keys: is there a particular function to the Off key in the dir browser?
14.52.30 #       <LinusN> yes and no
14.52.42 #       <LinusN> if you press OFF in the root, it stops the music
14.53.09 #       <LinusN> for some reason
14.53.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> besides stopping music, I mean (only in root?)
14.53.23 #       <LinusN> nope
14.53.40 #       <LinusN> however, the Player models have a different case
14.53.56 #       <LinusN> the stop key is used to leave the directory
14.54.04 #       <LinusN> there is no off key on the player
14.54.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yea, they lack the key
14.54.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the blind folks were asking to have a spell function with Off
14.54.55 #       <LinusN> saw that
14.55.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> currently, it says it again because of a side effect
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14.55.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> some redraw variable gets set with Off, dunno why
14.55.48 #       <LinusN> tree.c is a mess
14.57.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
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14.59.28 #       <c0utta> tree.c tries to buffer the parent directory, doesn't it ?
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15.01.00 #       <LinusN> c0utta: no
15.01.54 #       <c0utta> so it rereads each directory as they are entered ?
15.02.25 #       <LinusN> yes
15.02.56 #       <c0utta> put tree.c on my list of things to do
15.04.14 #       <LinusN> huh?
15.05.06 #       <c0utta> i'll rewrite tree.c one day soon
15.05.36 #       <LinusN> for what reason?
15.06.08 #       <c0utta> because it's a mess
15.06.16 #       <LinusN> yes it is
15.06.37 #       <LinusN> i just hope you're not trying to do some extra buffering
15.06.58 #       <c0utta> i haven't touched tree.c yet, so you're safe
15.07.50 #       <dwihno> I think the 8 meg models should be able to keep a dir cache in-mem :)
15.08.01 #       <dwihno> (software wise)
15.08.23 #       <dwihno> and as soon as I've bribed Linus to do the mod, I'll start Writing The Code Myself (tm) :)
15.09.26 #       <LinusN> dwihno: any time, but you'll have to attend the devcon
15.10.43 #       <c0utta> how do you debug patches ?
15.10.59 #       <c0utta> Hunk #1 FAILED at 20.
15.11.01 #       <c0utta> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file action.h.rej
15.11.27 #       <pfavr> LinusN, devcon? for rockbox-developers? when, where?
15.11.37 #       <LinusN> pfavr: some day...
15.11.42 #       <LinusN> no plans
15.11.55 #       <LinusN> we've been talking about it for ages
15.11.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in Hannover
15.12.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-)
15.12.08 #       <LinusN> hehe, Stockholm
15.12.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> :(
15.13.22 #       <pfavr> Well, our apartment could house a few... how many developers fit into 75m2 ?
15.13.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> devcon for what? Rockbox is done, more or less?
15.13.57 #       <LinusN> pfavr: about 75 :-)
15.13.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> unless you port it
15.14.11 #       <pfavr> [IDC]Dragon, a get-together then - celebrating the success of rockbox...
15.14.24 #       <LinusN> devcon is purely for the fun of it
15.14.44 #       <pfavr> [IDC]Dragon, you could bring some german beer...
15.14.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, I've heard about that "fun" thing
15.15.24 #       <pfavr> LinusN, need a larger switch then...
15.16.27 #       <LinusN> pfavr: no 802.11?
15.17.33 #       <pfavr> LinusN, well, actually no real Internet right now. On dialup. But I could rig up my laptop to serve us all sharing the 56K modem on wireless...
15.18.22 #       <pfavr> LinusN, hope to get real net access soon. Been sharing my neighbour's ADSL two floors below through wireless.
15.18.47 #       <pfavr> LinusN, but he has been upgrading to get the 26MBit up/down - and it is still not working...
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15.25.47 #       <LinusN> pfavr: then mine or daniels place may be better, with 802.11g
15.26.54 #       <pfavr> LinusN, but your guys are so busy (I think) so it will probably be next year or something;-)
15.27.00 #       <LinusN> hehe
15.27.07 #       <LinusN> not necessarily
15.27.51 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Whoa... The DEVCON! :O
15.29.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what's the best time to visut sweden as a tourist?
15.29.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> visit
15.30.03 #       <pfavr> it is nice weather in stockholm today
15.31.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> seriously, I've never been to scandinavia. But it's on the list.
15.31.09 #       <LinusN> mid summer or mid winter, i'd say
15.31.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I take the summer then
15.31.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> unless there's moscitos
15.32.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mosquito, I mean
15.32.47 #       <LinusN> stay away from the northern parts then :-)
15.33.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> :(
15.35.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so it's either freezing or mosquito-pested there?
15.35.51 #       <LinusN> i said northern part
15.35.54 #       <pfavr> It is sunny! not a single cloud in the sky right now!
15.36.06 #       <pfavr> (and no mosquitos)
15.36.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there=northern, I guess it's otherwise nice to go there?
15.36.49 #       <LinusN> indeed
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16.06.17 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Are there any plans for DevCon?
16.06.39 #       <dwihno> I got a ton of (mostly bad) ideas I'd love to share :)
16.08.23 #       <LinusN> no plans, but i'll have a talk with the guys
16.08.37 #       <LinusN> it's been far too long since the last one
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16.17.20 #       <dwihno> Indeed! :)
16.17.34 #       <amiconn|work> [IDC]Dragon: I tried my idea to speed up grayscale by loop unrolling yesterday. Since it gave no big speedup (only ~6 %), I reverted it.
16.18.07 #       <amiconn|work> Today I will try putting the core routine into IRAM and see how much that helps.
16.22.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn|work: I guessed what you wanted to unroll (the 32 planes handling), but didn't see why this should be a big gain
16.25.16 #       <amiconn|work> Because it saves one cmp/hi and one bt instruction (total of 4 clock cycles) for each unrolled block.
16.25.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 4 of how many?
16.26.24 #       <Nibbler> and: 6% is 6%, why revert it if the work is done already?
16.26.44 #       <amiconn|work> In my latest version: total of 11 or 12 clocks per loop.
16.27.15 #       <amiconn|work> Nibbler: because it significantly increased code size.
16.27.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, then the gain could be higher. Probably the runtime is governed by the DRAM access.
16.27.41 #       <amiconn|work> 11 or 12 clocks per loop _without_ DRAM page misses, that is.
16.28.24 #       <Nibbler> ic
16.28.26 #       <amiconn|work> Yes, the problem is obviously that there are 4 page misses in each loop iteration.
16.28.41 #       <Nibbler> this is grayscale stuff u talking about?
16.28.51 #       <amiconn|work> That's why I think that putting it into IRAM should gain much more speed.
16.28.54 #       <amiconn|work> Nibbler: yes
16.29.19 #       <Nibbler> greyscale is only used for video, or also in normal mode...=
16.29.21 #       <Nibbler> ?
16.30.23 #       <amiconn|work> It's not used for normal mode (yet), but I've prepared a framework to use it in plugins, e.g. games. I annouced it on the ml.
16.31.23 #       <Nibbler> how is this greyscale stuff done?
16.31.32 #       <Nibbler> switching pixels on/off all the time?
16.32.45 #       <amiconn|work> Yes. An interrupt routine flips through several pages (I call them bitplanes) with 67 fps.
16.34.40 #       <Nibbler> amazing.....
16.34.49 #       <Nibbler> i need to get my jukebox fixed, have to see that :]
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16.49.21 #       <Snifffurt> hi
16.50.13 #       <Snifffurt> i have a little question about the Harddrive Controller of the AJB FM-Rec?
16.51.28 #       <Snifffurt> How big hard drive can it adress. I know that Fat32 has a Gig Limitation. But I want to do a 2nd partition. So I'm just wondering if anyone knows?
16.51.54 #       <Snifffurt> will it fit a 60GB Drive?
16.53.24 #       <amiconn|work> Snifffurt: Yes, the only restriction is that the USB chip doesn't handle the 48 bit ATA extension, so the limit is 128 GB.
16.53.50 #       <Snifffurt> k. Thanks for the info amiconn
16.53.52 #       <Snifffurt> :-)
16.54.40 #       <amiconn|work> You can even format the whole disk as a single FAT32 partition (there is no lower limit), only that WinXP wouldn't allow you to do so.
16.55.08 #       <amiconn|work> WinXP has a "designed" limit of 32GB for FAT32.
16.55.16 #       <Snifffurt> how do I make this partition?
16.55.23 #       <Snifffurt> PQ-Magic?
16.55.33 #       <Snifffurt> Partition Magic
16.55.55 #       <amiconn|work> Win9x, Linux, or partition handling tools (e.g. Partition Magic).
16.55.56 #       <dwihno> There's some demo version of partition manager
16.56.00 #       <Snifffurt> Or linux fdisk
16.56.02 #       <dwihno> it'll do it
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16.56.41 #       <Snifffurt> but can winXP handle this over 32Gig fat32 Partition?
16.56.51 #       <amiconn|work> Yep.
16.56.55 #       <Snifffurt> I mean, can I read and write it?
16.57.01 #       <Snifffurt> coolll. :-)
16.58.07 #       <Snifffurt> I m straight away off to dissasamble my Jukebox... :-)
16.59.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Linus, did your menu code cleanup break restoring the position if stepping back one menu?
17.04.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Snifffurt: You can use Paragon to format, the free eval. version is sufficient for the job
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17.13.14 #       <Snifffurt> I think I will use Knoppix -> Cfdisk... and mkfat32
17.13.25 #       <Snifffurt> this should do as far as I know
17.14.43 #       <Snifffurt> thanks dragon
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18.52.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hey, the guy who has no time for hacking
18.52.56 #       <mattzz> hehe ;-)
18.53.09 #       <mattzz> just setting up my irc gateway
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18.53.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> use CGIIRC
18.53.30 #       <sime> hi
18.53.44 #       <mattzz> IDC, I am, I am....
18.53.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, ok
18.54.03 #       <mattzz> This one was a peace of cake so far
18.54.23 #       <mattzz> piece!
18.54.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> should I test it?
18.54.57 #       <mattzz> Just have to find a way to tell you privately...
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18.56.01 #       <sime> do you know where I can fix my archos studio 20 in canada?
18.56.51 #       <sime> when i move the hearphone plug in the sound jack,it seems to get shorted and powers  off by itself
18.57.01 #       <sime> I dont wnat to open it :/
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19.10.52 #       <sime> anybody knows?
19.11.26 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: OK you can start a test
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19.12.21 #       <amiconn> So many dragons...
19.12.39 #       <mattzz> Finally, there is the clone so many people wished to have ;-)
19.13.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> My alter ego has no input line
19.13.19 #       <mattzz> at the very bottom?
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19.14.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the layout goes strange
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19.15.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> after entering one line, it goes away
19.15.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and the line doesn't show up
19.16.44 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: Hm, just did a dial-up to the company for a IE test. Works fine with IE 5
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19.17.59 #       <mattzz> Hm, maybe we should change to #test... sorry 
19.18.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there's no other traffic to disturb here ;)
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19.19.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon>  
19.19.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> same symptom, all the time.
19.20.02 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: what browser?
19.20.08 #       <sime> I really can shake the device... it powers off only when i hit the headphones plug in the sound jack
19.20.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> IE 5.5
19.20.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe because of your font config?
19.20.56 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: You can chose different themes and fonts
19.22.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It says "Error on page." when I click on tools or help.
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19.23.36 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: hm, just checked from the company's terminalserver with IE 5.5
19.25.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Where my input line should be, I see a small stripe of the login again.
19.26.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> But fine if it works for you.
19.26.17 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: When was your last reboot - ahem - .... ?
19.26.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this morning
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19.30.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I give up
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19.38.40 #       <sime> anybody who may just say... sorry we can't help you?
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20.20.50 #       <mattzz> Is http://rockbox.haxx.se/lang/english.voice up to date with respect to the latest changes in main_menu.c ???
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20.28.27 #       <Nibbler> whats this voice stuff about?
20.28.48 #       <mattzz> huh?
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21.48.14 #       <pagan> hey
21.48.49 #       <pagan> i just got a fm recorder and i need some help here guys :)
21.49.02 #       <pagan> it truncates my filenames to 8 chars
21.49.07 #       <pagan> is this normal?
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21.49.24 #       <pagan> should i format the disk or something?
21.50.16 #       <ze> are you using linux or windows?
21.50.39 #       <pagan> windows
21.52.10 #       <ze> hmm odd it seems like it should be using it as vfat then... unless somebody's formatted it otherwise or something or your version of windows doesn't do vfat right out-of-the-box or something
21.52.29 #       <ze> *shrug* thats all i can think of, maybe someone else knows
21.52.56 #       <ze> did you check all the docs/FAQs and the mailing list archive and whatnot?
21.53.13 #       <pagan> hmm... no :-), sorry
21.53.35 #       <pagan> should it matter that i have usb1?
21.53.49 #       <amiconn> pagan: WinXP?
21.53.52 #       <pagan> yeah
21.54.55 #       <amiconn> This is an explorer bug: If you plug in _any_ removable media device, sometimes the explorer gets confused.
21.55.13 #       <pagan> i see
21.55.23 #       <pagan> so what should i do?
21.55.50 #       <pagan> one more thing: do i always have to 'safely remove hardware' or can i just unplug the usb chord?
21.56.13 #       <amiconn> It then (mostly) doesn't show the drive letter and drive name in the tree pane. If this occurs, explorer "thinks" that the drive doesn't support long names. There are 2 methods to overcome this problem.
21.56.55 #       <amiconn> (1) (Re)start Windows with the drive already plugged in. (Somewhat cumbersome)
21.57.44 #       <amiconn> (2) Close _all_ instances of explorer.exe (you'll need to use the task manager for that), Then start a fresh instance of explorer.exe
21.58.01 #       <pagan> ok i'll try the second one
21.59.15 #       <pagan> yey it worked
21.59.21 #       <pagan> thanks a lot, amiconn
21.59.35 #       <pagan> and thank you ze
22.00.14 #       <amiconn> You don't need to use "safely remove hardware" _if_ the drive is set to "optimize for quick removal" (or such, I don't know the exact words since I use German Windows)
22.01.22 #       <pagan> yes it is, thank you very much
22.01.44 #       <amiconn> (I would just make sure that no application has an open file on the drive before removing)
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22.11.31 #       <SLEEP21> hey
22.11.47 #       <SLEEP21> how did you guys go about creating rockbox?
22.12.01 #       <SLEEP21> i have a nomad and i'd like to work on a similar project
22.16.33 #       <scott666> look in the mailing list and IRC logs
22.16.39 #       <scott666> they go back a few years iirc
22.16.57 #       <SLEEP21> awesome
22.17.32 #       <SLEEP21> well, in a nutshell did they reverse engineer the bios update programs or did they reverse engineer the hardware?
22.19.29 #       <scott666> yes
22.19.34 #       <ze> both
22.19.36 #       <ze> sorta
22.19.45 #       <scott666> heh
22.19.54 #       <ze> they started with cracking the encryption on an update
22.19.56 #       <SLEEP21> hhahaha
22.20.00 #       <SLEEP21> ok
22.20.04 #       <SLEEP21> is it totally legal?
22.20.14 #       <scott666> i think
22.20.16 #       <SLEEP21> cracking encryption sounds like a DMCA violation
22.20.40 #       <scott666> rockbox is based in sweeden (i think)
22.20.41 #       <ze> and i think they might've gathered some info about some stuff from the decoded binary
22.20.44 #       <scott666> whatever .se is
22.21.06 #       <ze> yeah
22.21.11 #       <SLEEP21> hehe sweden i got get outta the US
22.21.26 #       <ze> and it's more of an encoding than real encryption too
22.21.29 #       <SLEEP21> thanks guys, you've been really helpful
22.21.32 #       <ze> if that makes a diff
22.21.32 #       <ze> heh
22.21.33 #       <SLEEP21> ok
22.21.58 #       <ze> good luck
22.22.03 #       <scott666> main things you need are time info and interest
22.23.01 #       <ze> before i got it replaced with a karma i had a nomad zen, looked like it'd be capable of nifty stuff with a rockbox-like project
22.23.21 #       <ze> so would the karma for that matter, i wish somebody'd start one for it now hehe
22.27.34 #       <ze> now if i could just find out an easy way to exclude web sites that're just selling <product> when looking for sites with info/resources on/for <product>
22.27.44 #       <ze> in google
22.27.45 #       <ze> heh
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22.40.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi mattzz, you remind me I should go home
22.41.17 #       <mattzz> still @ sciworx?
22.41.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
22.41.50 #       * mattzz is speechless
22.42.04 #       <mattzz> just having my beer v2.0
22.42.41 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: actually I am currently rewriting mandelbrot for shift arithmetic ;-)
22.44.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can write it for grayscale, too
22.44.17 #       <mattzz> cool! api ready? 
22.44.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> from Jens, yes
22.44.46 #       <mattzz> I _have_ to check that out!
22.45.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> He made a plugin containing the framework, look into the patch tracker.
22.45.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> All you're left with is set your pixels in the desired shade
22.46.04 #       <mattzz> thanks for the info. That will be easy than
22.46.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with some kind of set_pixel(x, y, value) function.
22.46.38 #       <mattzz> So what's left? Color I guess....
22.46.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we have green
22.47.00 #       <mattzz> That's a starter!
22.47.27 #       <pagan> i got my recorder from the states... and it came with an american electrical plug which i cant use in romania... can i recharge it by usb on a regular basis? :)
22.47.47 #       <mattzz> is it a V2 recorder?
22.47.51 #       <pagan> fm recorder
22.47.56 #       <amiconn> pagan: If it is a V2 or FM, yes
22.48.09 #       <pagan> ok great, thanks guys, you're real help
22.48.14 #       <pagan> ta-ta
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22.48.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (leaving for home)
22.48.35 #       <mattzz> c u joerg
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23.00.04 #       <amiconn> mattzz: I did some tweaking to your mandelbrot.c a few days ago, that brings down execution time from ~3.5 s to ~2.5 s for the initial area.
23.01.03 #       <mattzz> amiconn: I am @ 2.5 secs as well now. what did you do?
23.02.13 #       <amiconn> I reduced the number of divisions, because these are the slowest math operations. Your "official" version does several identical operations twice.
23.03.09 #       <mattzz> I replaced the divisions by shift operations. Currently I am using shifts by 12. As you are deep into assembler, what shift operations are fastest on SH1?
23.03.31 #       <c0utta> linus, it appears that action.h has cr/lf combinations in cvs.  i'm trying to patch them but am getting rejected
23.03.49 #       <c0utta> are you able to fix them manually ?
23.04.03 #       <amiconn> I even tried to write fixed-point multiplication in assembler, but didn't succeed yet (apparently there is some overflow within my routine).
23.05.01 #       <mattzz> We have 32 bit for long variables, right? than we should be able to work with 24 bit offset
23.05.36 #       <mattzz> what shift operations are there in assembler?
23.05.48 #       * mattzz fetching the fine manuals
23.06.01 #       <amiconn> mattzz: If you do shifts in C, the compiler almost always chooses arithmetical shifts which are limited to 1 bit per shift, but are suited for signed operations.
23.06.58 #       <amiconn> If you use asm and it is sufficient to operate on unsigned numbers, then there are shifts by 1, 2, 8 and 16 bit per instruction.
23.07.35 #       <mattzz> amiconn: ah, I was hoping for the compiler would translate that to a  shift by 4,8 or something like that
23.07.44 #       <mattzz> s/for//
23.08.07 #       <mattzz> I am using plain C now
23.08.19 #       <amiconn> I tried to get fixed point arithmetics to work in a way that there are 16 bits for the integer part and 16 bits for the fraction. This would be the fastest possible solution in asm.
23.08.55 #       <mattzz> I can try that. 12 bit is working nice so far
23.09.52 #       <amiconn> An additional problem is: if you use higher shift counts, the compiler uses a built-in subroutine, so execution gets even slower.
23.12.37 #       <amiconn> Btw: For my personal build, I changed you initialization values a bit (it looked a bit "rough" to me with these). So I use max_iter = 25 and a bailout value of 9. This is a bit slower than with your values, though.
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23.13.17 #       <mattzz> ah, fine. max_iter = 25 was too slow with the old routine
23.13.39 #       <mattzz> argh, 16 bit is not working, of course
23.14.21 #       <mattzz> we are signed, so this will result in an overflow (longlong)
23.15.43 #       <amiconn> I didn't manage to understand why 16 bits for the fraction does overflow, did you?
23.16.19 #       <mattzz> We are signed, so we have 31bit + sign
23.16.21 #       <amiconn> The "ordinary" int has 32 bits as well as the long because the SH1 is a 32 bit machine.
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23.17.27 #       <mattzz> so (x*x) would result in a long long
23.17.29 #       <amiconn> If we use 16 bit for the integer part (=15 + sign), we go up to +/-32767 before overflow.
23.17.55 #       <mattzz> ah, wait
23.18.10 #       <amiconn> mattzz: This way you will get an overflow of course; you would have to do (x>>8) * (x>>8)
23.18.22 #       <mattzz> right, so we have to << 15 everything
23.18.30 #       <amiconn> ?
23.19.06 #       <mattzz> instead of setting x_max to -1.0 I will set is to -1<<15
23.19.42 #       <mattzz> amiconn: yes x>>8 does the trick
23.20.01 #       <amiconn> -1.0 would be float, btw.
23.20.35 #       <mattzz> amiconn: sure
23.21.00 #       <amiconn> I tried to implement this directly with asm multiplication instructions (so there would be _no_ shifts needed), but apparently did overlook something.
23.21.10 #       <mattzz> amiconn: that's why -1<<15, not 1.0<<15
23.21.25 #       <mattzz> that is pretty tough ;-)
23.21.32 #       <amiconn> Shouldn't it be -1<<16 ?
23.22.06 #       <mattzz> wouldn't lead that to 16 bit plus sign?
23.23.18 #       <amiconn> No, if I'm not completely wrong this would yield 16 bits integer part (15 bits + sign) and 16 bits fractional part.
23.24.00 #       <mattzz> guess you are right
23.24.09 #       <amiconn> This would be the best format to handle with asm multiplication because the SH1 can only do 16 bit multiplies anyway.
23.24.48 #       <amiconn> (I tried to write the complete inner iteration loop in asm)
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23.35.11 #       <amiconn> re Jörg!
23.35.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi again
23.35.36 #       <mattzz> ok, mandelbrot with 16 bit fractional part is up and running so far
23.35.45 #       <mattzz> re hi
23.37.10 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I did just a test what speedup we could get for grayscale by placing the core function in IRAM. Measured ~35% (real world)
23.37.44 #       <amiconn> Exec. time of my demo down to 0.70s (from 0.96s)
23.39.28 #       <amiconn> I wonder if this can be done on the official version, since it leaves us with a "partial functionality" in the core which is worth nothing without the complementing functions.
23.40.51 #       <amiconn> mattzz: Did you already place the source in some accessible place?
23.41.13 #       <mattzz> not yet, because that was a pretty quick hack
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23.41.43 #       <mattzz> amiconn: want to have a look? I am sure there is much space for optimization left ;-)
23.41.53 #       <amiconn> Yes please.
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23.42.30 #       <mattzz> 2,2 secs with max_iter=15
23.42.51 #       <amiconn> Bailout = 4, as before?
23.43.02 #       <mattzz> yup
23.43.28 #       <mattzz> but strange effects when zooming too hard
23.43.38 #       <mattzz> mompls, I will put it on my server
23.46.04 #       <mattzz> http://mattzz.dyndns.org/archos
23.47.22 #       <amiconn> -> www.darkstar.com could not be found :(
23.47.33 #       <mattzz> add a trailing slash
23.48.18 #       <amiconn> That worked :)
23.48.24 #       <mattzz> sorry...
23.49.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: 35% speedup is not much to write home about...
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23.49.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> probably all that DRAM access
23.51.42 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: You're right, I think. So maybe we should not clutter the firmware core with it.
23.52.11 #       <amiconn> mattzz: Trying to do the same optimization I did for your previous version on the new one....
23.52.58 #       <mattzz> I'm curious about it.
23.54.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mattzz: the zooming artifacts are probably because of lacking precision
23.54.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> why so many bits for the integer part?
23.54.53 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: guess so. did you see them?
23.55.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you only need +/- 2 range
23.55.16 #       <mattzz> for the sake of speed
23.55.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, haven't tried myself
23.55.44 #       <mattzz> jens had the idea that 16 bit operations would be fastest on SH1
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23.57.29 #       <amiconn> mattzz: If you use C, it shouldn't matter what shift you use, but in asm it would be best to use the 16 bit / 16 bit split.
23.57.38 #       <lImbus> hi all, these are my first irc-steps. see what I do for my Archos ,-)
23.58.32 #       <mattzz> [IDC]Dragon: so 28 bit fractional part would be optimum