--- Log for 24.05.104 Server: anthony.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 8 days and 6 hours ago 00.03.35 Quit pfavr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.05.55 # ARGH! what is it with me and diff? Can anyone correct this diff command please? 00.05.55 # diff -u rockbox-daily-20040523/ rockbox-daily-20040523.new/ 00.05.58 # YAY 00.06.23 # BlueChip: that only diffs those two dirs, not recursively 00.06.32 # you need -r too for that, afair 00.06.43 # d'oh! One day I will suss bash - I promise! 00.06.44 # affair? 00.06.45 # :D jk 00.07.37 # and one day they will also add "ignore trailing whitespace" to diff ! 00.08.17 # yeps, that'll be a good day ;-) 00.08.36 Join joeyslls [0] (~Joeyslls@c-24-8-121-168.client.comcast.net) 00.08.48 # perhaps that'll be my next fun thing to do ...go get the source for diff and do it myself - lol 00.09.30 # perhaps we could consider adding "no trailing whitespace" to the Rockbox coding standard? 00.09.41 # ...just an idea 00.10.13 # trailing whitespace is annoying 00.10.26 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 00.11.03 # I am surprised more editors do not have a switch in them "strip trailing w/s on save" 00.12.56 # recently I've made my default editor setup display trailing whitespace 00.13.22 # since having it stripped automaticly makes so many unintentional changes 00.13.46 # likewise ...shall I let my plugin.h|c patch strip the trail w/s from it? 00.14.03 # no 00.14.07 # it'll just get bigger 00.14.40 # the patch will be bigger, the result will be smaller Rockbox code :) 00.14.55 # anyway - to hell with diff - it's crap - I'll write the file by hand 00.15.01 # yes, but you'll also increase the risk of colliding with other patches 00.15.46 # ... and changes that is irrelevant to the function you provide is generally not good to include 00.15.55 # anything that patches these files will definitely collide with this patch anyway 00.16.09 # no 00.16.14 # only if they change the same lines 00.16.47 # i would have though that any edits to plugin.h|c would update the plugin_api_version_number!? 00.17.25 # (btw. just to make it clear, that I am not debating the stle for this patch, which I am currently rewriting whatever the outcome of this chat) 00.17.30 # there's no point in doing that in the patch really 00.17.39 # but perhaps it is 00.18.25 # would take 2mins to create one bloody great bit "strip trailing whitespace" patch anyway 00.18.29 # a collide on that line wouldn't be that hard to resolve anyway 00.23.00 # oh ffs this is a nightmare! 00.23.28 # I'll do it some other time - there is whitespace EVERYwhere 00.23.39 # that's bc's fault. 00.36.14 # https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openneo-cvs 00.36.27 # fun reading 00.37.24 # I still don't get why they don't just simply add their unit to our source and sit back while we do all the work - Knobby by name, Knobby by nature ? LOL 00.37.57 # lol 00.38.43 # I believe they get paid from Neo 00.38.54 # paid?! 00.38.54 # so they need to make it look like they do something 00.39.36 # that's what I think, yes 00.39.39 # hehehehehehehe - "Dear Mr Accountant, how would you like to save a small fortune in development costs? ..." 00.41.28 # I need sleep. See ya 00.41.30 Quit Bagder ("Leaving") 00.43.12 Join vraa [0] (DocSmith@cs2416067-52.houston.rr.com) 00.43.18 # Hey yall! 00.43.40 # evenin' vraa 00.43.57 # how ya doing bluechip? 00.44.18 # getting the Audio 3587 up to scratch 00.44.21 # and yourself? 00.44.25 # that flew over my head :) 00.44.45 # i put my archos back together and have it on hold until finals are over, or until i feel like trying to fix it again :( 00.44.47 # writing a plugin so that you can get better sound from your JBR 00.44.54 # ah, that sounds sweet! 00.45.36 # bookmark this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems ...that's where it'll be released 00.46.08 # well it's kinda useless for me right now, i need a working jukebox :) 00.46.14 # what's dead? 00.46.35 # remember a few weeks back i had a fm recorder that was fried or soemthign? 00.47.00 # vaguely, but as you can probably guess, we get quite a lot of that in here 00.47.00 # i'm almost positive my sister used the incorrect adapter to charge the archos so it must've blown a voltage regulator 00.47.04 # yeah 00.47.07 # i know what ya mean 00.47.16 # ahhh, yes, the on your sister killed - I DO remember 00.47.23 # lol 00.47.25 # i do remember too 00.47.30 # haha sup midk 00.47.35 # wait... 00.47.36 # vraa 00.47.38 # I REMEMBER 00.47.40 # haha 00.47.41 # and the webcan 00.47.43 # and the solder 00.47.44 # YES 00.47.45 # cam* 00.47.46 # you could always connect her to the mains and see if she works well as a replacement adaptor? 00.47.53 # LOL 00.48.23 # wait.. my sister? 00.48.26 # haha 00.48.30 # lol 00.49.12 # go vraa-ey 00.49.42 # should i just wait for the 4th gen iPod to come out? 00.50.08 # my only complaint is that they are unhacked 00.50.21 # yeah, that's why i didn't want my sister to order the iPod mini a week ago 00.50.32 # but where would i get a jukebox fm recorder from? 00.50.38 # ebay? 00.50.45 # i dont trust ebay, sorry :( 00.50.47 # get a v1 - they are better anyway 00.50.52 # v1? 00.51.00 # fair call - shop around then, they are still available 00.51.07 # Jukebox Recorder Version 1 00.51.16 # v1 is easier to type ;) 00.51.16 # do you have a pic of the differences? 00.51.26 # a PICTURE of them? 00.51.30 # err.. 00.51.34 # *slaps himself* 00.51.35 # difficult to show a picture of digital out not working 00.51.46 # what's the differences between v1 and v2? 00.52.30 # theres a link to the table on my homepage 00.52.41 # opening it up now 00.53.26 # how come the V1 are better? 00.53.30 # the V2's look cooler 00.53.54 # if it's looks you are after - buy an iPod 00.54.04 # well, archos > iPod in looks IMO 00.54.08 # iPods are played out :) 00.54.12 # i think fms are better 00.54.16 # they are a bit lighter too 00.54.21 # 4/5 weight of v1 00.54.32 Quit joeyslls (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.38 # http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1055343967452&skuId=5678206&type=product 00.54.48 # 400$ though, and it's a video player, i just needs mp3s :( 00.55.02 # unhacked 00.55.14 # vraa what is it 00.55.15 # unhacked or unhackable? 00.55.16 # ? 00.55.30 # ARCHOS Portable 20.0GB MP4 Video Player with MP3 Recording and Digital Camera Option 00.55.34 # oh 00.55.38 # there have been archos legal problems with AVOS 00.55.48 # oh crap 00.55.52 # i have an av320 00.55.58 # there have been, there aren't anymore 00.56.21 # check #avos or avos.sourceforge for latest info I guess 00.56.35 # avos.sf.net 00.59.01 # wow 00.59.23 # anyone noticed this? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=946559&group_id=44306&atid=439120 00.59.50 # what about it 01.00.23 Quit CompBrain (No route to host) 01.00.28 Join joeyslls [0] (~Joeyslls@c-24-8-121-168.client.comcast.net) 01.02.07 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 01.04.39 Quit joeyslls (Client Quit) 01.06.39 DBUG Enqueued KICK vraa 01.06.39 # * vraa 12is AFK, 11food or something or the other 01.06.46 # ok 01.18.52 # BlueChip: what about that patch? 01.19.16 # BlueChip: and is your plugin going to be released soon for the MAS stuff... 01.19.16 # ? 01.20.22 # I am working on the plugin presently 01.21.02 # you're welcome to see it in its current state, but it unfinished 01.21.08 # *is 01.32.58 # sure -- that sounds great! 01.33.06 # it is on your webspace? 01.33.37 # not yet, I will not put it there until is "public-worthy" ...never been one to bit my pride - LOL 01.34.23 # let me compile up the latest code for you... 01.35.33 # hmmm, bugger - does not compile to target ...gimme 5 01.35.53 Part BlueChip 01.36.03 Join BlueChip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) 01.41.16 # elinenbe: what unit do you have? 01.41.37 # it will work no matter what 01.44.52 Join track [0] (909510b8@ACBE2FC1.ipt.aol.com) 01.44.58 # hi 01.45.50 Quit AciD ("www.cpm-fr.com") 01.46.40 # hi 01.47.54 # mikeholden has quietened down a great deal 01.50.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.51.35 # I gotta get focussed on my CV for a while .... elinenbe, feel free to page me if you come back 01.51.45 Part BlueChip 01.59.30 Part track 02.15.56 Join deadite66 [0] (~Miranda@cpc1-yarm1-5-0-cust53.pete.cable.ntl.com) 02.39.17 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.56.45 Quit deadite66 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.36.14 Join Strath [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a220.wi.tds.net) 03.41.36 Join BlueChip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) 03.44.15 # elinenbe: did you atill want this plugin? 03.44.21 # *still 03.44.33 # hi bc 03.45.01 # brb 03.50.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.23 # k 03.52.38 # hi bc 03.53.07 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 03.53.07 # * BlueChip nods 04.04.21 # well I guess elinenbe is gone for the night - l8rz all 04.04.24 Part BlueChip 04.11.55 Quit vraa ("2.0 Build 3515") 04.16.06 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 05.06.47 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.36.37 Join iralemming [0] (~iralemmin@adsl-1-122-58.bna.bellsouth.net) 05.50.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.04.41 Quit iralemming ("Leaving") 06.18.02 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-190.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 06.48.32 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 07.07.01 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.50.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.00.19 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7FE18.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.07.51 # hi amiconn 08.07.59 # hi midk 08.31.17 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.35.17 # hi LinusN 08.35.23 # ho 08.35.28 # hi LinusN 08.35.50 # hi 08.36.13 # i've updated my clock update again 08.36.32 # a silly router problem made the rockbox site inaccessible for the whole weekend for some people 08.36.40 # including me 08.37.55 # still can't reach it... :-( 08.38.44 # aww 08.38.56 # hmm linusn i think i'm going to update it once more -- did you have any suggestions for it? 08.42.53 # for the clock update? no 08.43.17 # ok 08.44.51 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 08.48.44 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 09.00.27 # time for me to sleep, nite 09.00.30 Quit midk () 09.33.48 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.50.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.55.57 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7E48E.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.04.30 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.04.31 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7E48E.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.19.07 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: its not for the tabkey impaired!") 10.23.53 Join mattzz [0] (~c2af7556@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) 10.24.46 # hi all 10.26.16 # LinusN: I submitted a patch for the metronome, it uses the register_timer function now - could somebody please have a look at it? 10.35.55 # saw it, will take a look as sonn as i have some time 10.36.13 # thanks 10.55.48 Nick mattzz is now known as mattzz|afk (~c2af7556@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) 11.01.27 Join limbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) 11.05.51 # hi all. anyone there known to the new viewer plugin file association stuff ? 11.06.47 # Zagor build that in this weekend accordingly to the patch #879411, the cvs-comment on tree.c says 11.07.42 # that patch description tells me I've got to go to "settings->system-manage settings->reset plugin" to init it, but I havn't that menue. yes, I already updated the lang-files 11.09.38 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.16.48 Quit mattzz|afk ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.18.09 # limbus: that menu item was removed 11.18.15 # you don't need it 11.18.38 # the patch wasn't applied as-is, we changed it a little 11.22.11 # LinusN: So how do I get the /.rockbox/viewers.config or the new equivalent ? 11.23.02 # fact is the jpgs, videos and txts are recognised as "supported" files types anymore ony my box. 11.23.50 # err. NOT recognised anymore 11.31.33 # did you do a complete reinstall? 11.35.51 # reinstall ? howto ? I can't flash, so I recompiled everything, copied the ajz, langs, rocks, reboot. 11.38.49 # it was mentioned on the mailing list today 11.38.54 # make zip 11.39.56 # jup, I'm just looking for the new toolset 11.40.40 # the viewers.config file is in apps/plugins/ if you want to copy it yourself 11.41.01 # aaah. ok, will try that. tnx Linus 11.41.36 # and it has to go there on my box too ?= 11.45.35 # .rockbox/viewers.config 11.50.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.53.07 # yeah, I was just about the second try ;-) it works after having moved the rocks to the new position. 11.53.19 # nice 11.53.38 # I still don't know how to get make to know the zip target rule 11.53.56 # ../tools/configure 11.54.52 # it's not getting updated by cvs. 11.56.29 # yes it is 11.57.02 # perhaps you have forgotten to change CVS server? 11.57.37 # strange. I just noticed the same thing. but make still complains if I "make zip" 11.58.01 # I deleted it and it came new in, as well as buildzip.pl 11.58.26 # $ make zip \n make: *** No rule to make target 'zip'- Stop. 11.58.30 # feeling dumb 11.58.59 # * limbus is using win32 - environment, cygwin 11.59.26 Part LinusN 12.02.00 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.02.38 # did you run the configure script? 12.03.32 # mhmmm. good point. didn't know I have to rerun it. 12.05.47 # the Makefile is created by the configure script 12.06.44 # sorry i'm pampered by visual studio-stuff 12.07.21 # make zip \n ../tools/buildzip.pl -DARCHOS_RECORDER 12.07.30 # make: *** [zip] Error 255 12.08.17 # how did you install cygwin? 12.09.35 # err. as described in the how-tos. I've always been able to make my rockbox the last weeks 12.10.36 # as described in which how-to? 12.10.55 # this one? 12.10.56 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/cygwin_sdk.html 12.11.42 # or was it this one? 12.11.42 # http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html 12.12.27 # the first one is the recommended way 12.13.13 # I don't remember where it came from, but I remember some parts of the text that is on the latter one. 12.13.20 # i'll try the first method then. thanks 12.13.33 # will tke some time 12.13.37 # s/tke/take 12.13.57 # the second one is a stripped version of the cygwin installation, which probably lacks the zip.exe command 12.15.35 # lunch time 12.20.10 # enjoy you meal 12.26.33 # limbus: Even my Cygwin installation (a quite large one) doesn't contain zip, so "make zip" doesn't work for me either. 12.26.50 # I will have to add "zip" to cygwin first 12.27.09 # but I can run zip from the cygwin-shell as it is in the path 12.27.32 # Is this the real command line version of zip? 12.27.43 # it's just maybe an incompatible version what's about the parameters 12.27.50 # If not, the parameters used by the makefile may not work 12.27.53 # where to get the "real one" ? 12.28.24 # is unxutils the real one ? 12.32.46 # I think you will have to select some packet within cygwin-setup, have to look myself 12.34.22 # lunch time 12.39.18 # enjoy you meal too 12.48.17 Quit AciD (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.18.35 # got it: cygwin can't run perl scripts ?!? I had to prefix if with "perl". changed configure, works 13.22.37 # limbus: If you still want to install zip within cygwin - "zip" package is found under the package category "Archive" 13.28.36 Join pfavr [0] (~Peter_Fav@c076102a.s-oe.bostream.se) 13.28.57 # no, it's ok since I call "perl buildzip.pl" instead of "buildzip.pl" 13.29.29 # .pl files are somehow no associated to perl ?!? 13.29.38 # ...on my machine at least 13.36.47 Join mattzz [0] (~c2af7556@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) 13.50.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.15.59 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.16.43 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7ED93.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.18.11 Join midk [0] (mk@ACA5DF57.ipt.aol.com) 14.20.26 # hmm, LinusN, what do you think of setting the time directly from the clock? 14.21.29 # huh? 14.21.48 # a function in the clock plugin to let you set the time 14.21.52 # ah, you mean from the clock plugin? 14.21.54 # yeah 14.22.03 # sounds reasonable 14.26.40 Quit amiconn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.26.40 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7ED93.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.30.16 # *gets idea 14.30.22 # how is rand() used? 14.33.26 # rb->rand() % 112; this will return a random number between 0-112? 14.42.32 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 14.52.07 # 0-111 14.52.14 # iirc 14.52.25 # ok thanks 15.17.58 # midk: I finally checked your last clock update, and it looks nice. just one thing: 15.18.41 # where has the date gone ? 15.23.12 # not there? 15.25.14 # in what mode? 15.25.54 # err, lemme check that 15.26.13 # any 15.26.23 # no date with up/down in any more 15.27.04 # hrm 15.28.11 # just a moment 15.28.13 # intend ? bug ? forgotten ? 15.28.14 # may have fixed it 15.28.16 # feature ? 15.28.19 # bug 15.28.22 # erm 15.28.28 # up/down: ? 15.29.48 # the setting is at the settings screen, F3 15.30.44 # up used to do it - it doesn't anymore 15.32.29 # although maybe a nice idea would be to have custom functions for each of the arrow keys 15.37.38 # über-customization must be a new illness that broke out on rockbox-developers ;-) 15.39.22 # haha 15.39.24 # just me 15.39.38 # did that work? f3? 15.40.29 # f3 shows me that option pane where I can toggle border, the second hand and the inverted seconds. no date 15.40.53 # oh, you're in fullscreen mode 15.41.01 # fullscreen is the only one that doesn't feature a date mode 15.41.11 # although i could add that.. 15.41.31 # well, then show me how to minimize the clock-window ?!? 15.42.31 # :) press "play" 15.42.38 # fullscreen is a seperate mode 15.42.43 # f1 may help you 15.43.32 # ah time for me to go 15.43.37 # but each mode has seperate options 15.43.43 # f1 is instructions 15.43.50 # see you later 15.43.51 Quit midk () 15.50.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.52.50 # hi, if anyone has an opinion on how to make a better UI for rockbox, I have a draft of a spec here: http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk - it is a wiki so everybody can edit the pages. 15.53.26 # (Still remains a lot of work ) 15.55.10 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 15.58.31 # pfavr: Looks great! 15.58.58 # time to go home 15.59.00 Part LinusN 16.04.45 # dwihno, thanks! I'm not sure if it should be done as one mighty change or maybe it could be done through smaller incremental changes. Some of the things has been asked for already (see the feature request links at the bottom) 16.06.33 # pfavr: I guess the easiest way would be to do one thing at a time. 16.06.43 # Perhaps the multi-screen thing. 16.07.39 # dwihno, yes, but I think it is important to do a consistent design throughout. So that the same keys and principles can be used everywhere. 16.07.55 # But implementing it could be done incrementally 16.14.19 Join jakesir [0] (solaris@pool-70-16-9-22.balt.east.verizon.net) 16.14.28 Quit jakesir (Client Quit) 16.14.47 # indeed 16.50.49 Join Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@65.216.194.2) 17.04.28 Quit mattzz ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.50.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.55.12 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.45.19 Quit limbus () 18.54.26 Join mattzz [0] (~mattzz@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) 18.55.16 Quit AciD (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.55 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 19.37.41 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.50.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.48.18 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.54.42 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 21.34.26 Join jkerman [0] (Dudewin32@jkhouse2.jvlnet.com) 21.34.42 Quit jkerman (Client Quit) 21.34.45 Join jkerman [0] (~jkerman@jkhouse2.jvlnet.com) 21.50.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.00.43 Join scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-59-203.mn.client2.attbi.com) 22.24.59 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-78-119.dynamic.qsc.de) 22.59.33 Quit mattzz ("Client exiting") 23.10.58 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-59-203.mn.client2.attbi.com) 23.10.58 Quit scott666 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.12.44 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.52 Quit Ka_ ("Leaving") 23.37.25 Quit pfavr ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/1]") 23.37.48 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.42.28 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 23.43.03 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.45.43 Quit matsl (Client Quit) 23.46.29 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.49.53 Quit scott666_ ("i'll be back...eventually...") 23.50.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.51.40 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-59-203.mn.client2.attbi.com) 23.53.07 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 23.53.42 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.53.56 Quit matsl (Client Quit)