--- Log for 01.07.104 Server: bear.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 19 hours and 41 minutes ago 00.01.53 # HELLO? 00.10.58 Quit T^JulioVega (Remote closed the connection) 00.20.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.53 Quit hermes (Client Quit) 01.08.08 Join top_bloke [0] (~ekolb_pot@0-1pool12-41.nas6.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net) 01.16.39 Part amiconn 01.34.57 Quit AciD` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.35.17 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 01.45.26 Quit scott666_ ("i'll be back...eventually...") 01.52.30 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 02.20.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.33.42 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.26.38 Join telliott [0] (telliott@208-251-255-120.res.evv.cable.sigecom.net) 03.27.25 # What can I do with the new "Screen Dump" feature? 03.27.35 # dump the screen 03.27.52 # To an image file? 03.28.10 # it saves it as bmp iirc 03.28.41 # Cool. How do I dump the screen? 03.29.02 # see: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump 03.29.17 # ok. 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;-) 09.24.28 # gcc! 09.31.27 # 134 files bigger than 1 MiB. that's a lot. 09.31.45 # yeah, it makes you wonder what it is 09.47.00 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~c2af7556@reladm.kharkov.net) 09.47.13 # hi [IDC]Dragon 09.47.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> moin 09.47.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> wassup? 09.48.01 # not much 09.48.15 # i have a slight problem with the settings code 09.48.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> watching the game, having a bud... 09.48.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> oops, which? 09.48.38 # i have two MDB parameters, ranging from 30Hz - 300Hz 09.48.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> new settings, I guess? 09.49.05 # and the current code forces me to use 9 bits for that 09.49.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> so we run out of bits? 09.49.22 # but the actual register values are 5-30 09.49.31 # so i waste a lot of bits 09.49.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> the return aof val2phys? :-( 09.50.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> of 09.50.18 # well, i have to move a few of the current rtc values 09.50.20 # to disk 09.51.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> no catastrophy 09.52.41 # not really, it just bothers the perfectionist in me 09.53.44 # i'm about to commit a change in settings_apply() 09.53.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> heh, you weren't bothered we had that code 09.54.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> before we had 09.54.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> what does the change do? 09.55.00 # i remove the arguments to mp3_initm and add a separate apply function for the sound settings 09.55.16 Join Doensen [0] (~Doensen@168-187.244.81.adsl.skynet.be) 09.55.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, good 09.55.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> or you could start my apply concept... 09.55.54 # which is...? 09.56.20 # an argument to settings_apply()? 09.56.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> having a bit mask as an argument for which modules's settings to apply 09.56.37 # that is probably better 09.56.45 # i'll do that 09.56.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> so we could call it a couple of times during init, as we walk along 09.57.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> to apply each mudules' setting after it got initialized 09.58.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> well, actually we don't need to call it _that_ often 09.58.40 # suggestion for categories? 09.58.53 # sound is one 09.59.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> before the charging screen and after disk loading will probably suffice 09.59.30 # basically, RTC and non-RTC stiff 09.59.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'd give it a bit for each modele we touch in there 09.59.33 # stuff 09.59.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> module = *.c implementation file 10.08.41 # *yawn* 10.11.39 # [IDC]Dragon: we still need to apply all parameters in the charging state 10.12.09 # with the disk stuff all set to default 10.12.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> only thosefrom the modules initialized so far (?) 10.12.38 # oh, of course 10.13.26 # still, the display settings are split, some in rtc and some on disk 10.14.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> we woul automagically apply the defaults for those, then 10.14.12 # yup 10.14.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> later, the general apply can do better 10.14.45 # so we have SOUND, DISPLAY, PLAYBACK, SYSTEM ? 10.15.02 # BOOKMARKS 10.15.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> you're not going for my module bits? 10.15.07 # VOICE 10.15.40 # not sure that it is a good way of separating things 10.15.57 # for instance, should mpeg and mp3_playback be separate modules? 10.16.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> and a prefix for the names, perhaps 10.16.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> a bit per module makes it easy to maintain, no doubts about which to put where 10.17.13 # hmmm 10.17.37 # won't there be confusion about which settings belong to which module? some settings are set/used all over. 10.17.48 # or am i missing something? 10.18.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> thist is only internal, for the init 10.18.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> you can always group the bits in an apply call 10.19.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> later in the app, you'd probably set them all, giving today's behaviour 10.19.44 # meaning we will apply some settings several times? 10.19.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> is this so bad? 10.20.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> currently we always apply all 10.20.19 # once, yes 10.20.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.21.40 # i'd rather have more generic groups, like SOUND, PLAYBACk etc 10.22.05 # then we don't need to think about where they are implemented 10.22.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> I get your point, but this is a bit "dangerous" during init, when not all modules are initialized 10.23.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> if you know the modules by the bits, you're in control 10.23.55 # yes, but do we need that control? 10.24.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> at least we should be very aware otherwise 10.24.35 # and basing the names on the file names...? 10.24.52 # shouldn't we be aware anyway? 10.25.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> do we have modules with settings which would fall into different categories? 10.27.22 # invert_cursor, for example, which module is that? 10.27.33 # tree? menu? sound_menu? 10.27.57 # timeformat? 10.28.23 # car_adapter_mode 10.29.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> the module is easy to tell, I meant the category 10.29.43 # which is the module for invert_cursor? 10.30.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> (the module is the function settings_apply() calls with it) 10.30.18 # * [IDC]Dragon checks... 10.31.01 # actually, invert_cursor doesn't need applying 10.31.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> well, then the application would be the "module" 10.32.22 # why do we need this fine granularity? 10.32.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> I was rather after settings which get applied to a driver 10.32.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> we don't need it, I thought it helps to prevent errors 10.33.14 # i think a huge apply() function is way more safe 10.33.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> cou can make meta-defines for larger groups by bit combinations 10.33.26 # we init all modules and the call apply() 10.33.29 # then 10.34.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> but the issue was that not all modules are initialized when the first apply phase is helpful... 10.34.38 # then we solve *that* problem 10.34.51 # not any other imaginary problems that we not yet have 10.35.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> what's *that* problem? 10.35.35 # the issue was that not all modules are initialized when the first apply phase is helpful 10.35.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> can that be solved? 10.36.11 # yes, by splitting up the apply() 10.36.12 Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 10.36.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> I see at least 2 stages 10.36.28 # yes 10.36.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> sigh, back to square one 10.36.50 # but 2 stages is a lot less that a big bunch of separate modules 10.36.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> (sorry for being such a PITA) 10.37.09 # PITA is good :) 10.37.29 # i mean, we shouldn't go for an "over-complicated" solution 10.38.02 # i agree with the philosophy "don't fix problems we don't have" 10.38.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> minimal solution: give it a sigle bit which apply that is 10.39.09 # RTC or DISK 10.39.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> (before charging vs. at the very end) 10.39.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes 10.39.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> and then be very aware not to apply settings to non-initialized drivers 10.40.08 # yup 10.40.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> I wanted to avoid that dependency 10.40.28 # hmmm, hard to take a screen shot of the USB screen :-) 10.40.37 # :) 10.40.47 # [IDC]Dragon: i agree with your concern 10.41.16 # LinusN: we could have a key for usb connect/disconnect in the simulators. would be good for testing too. 10.41.25 # i think we do... 10.41.36 # really? 10.43.02 # somewhere... 10.43.24 # I think it was a menu entry 10.44.08 # in the debug menu or something 10.45.04 # a key would be better 10.45.10 # absolutely 10.54.39 # the problem is that the USB thread is inactive in the simulators 10.55.07 # so the whole broadcast stuff is non-working 10.55.24 # ah 11.00.17 # [IDC]Dragon: in my opinion, a clear comment in the settings code is better than "safety code" 11.02.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> as you wish 11.03.20 # part of our KISS philosophy 11.04.22 # the problem is that "simple" means different things to different people :-) 11.05.03 # yeah 11.07.17 # well, just let me decide ;-) 11.07.45 # haha 11.07.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> OT: especially error checks are always subjects of debates 11.07.50 # No! 11.07.52 # No no no! 11.08.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> (but we weren't talking about error checks here) 11.09.06 # it's a very interesting topic to discuss 11.10.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> No! 11.10.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> ;-) 11.22.48 # :-) 11.44.48 Quit Strath ("Client closed") 11.58.50 Quit Doensen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.03.27 Quit c0utta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.19.57 Quit midknight2k3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.20.03 Join midk2k3 [0] (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 12.20.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.32.56 Join Jois [0] (~xxx@host164-238.pool81114.interbusiness.it) 12.33.59 # hi 12.34.14 # * Jois loves RockBox with TalkBox 12.34.32 # wonderful software 12.47.04 # * Bagder has no talk installed 12.48.48 # I am a newbie of rockbox 12.50.06 # Jois: welcome to the wonderful world of rockbox 12.50.24 # :) thanks! 12.50.35 # * Bagder holds up the welcome banner 12.50.53 # I have 2 feature requests/feedbacks to launch but I tried to register to sourceforge and I received no confirmation yet :( 12.52.48 # I am subscribing to the mailing list, so that I can discuss & share everything with others. 12.53.02 # that's the spirit 12.53.10 # prepare to get a lot of mails ;-) 12.53.42 # :) I think so! ... and viruses? No I hope 12.54.55 # we only allow posts from subscribers and we strip most attachments 12.56.03 # but then there are 566 subscribers... 12.56.56 # I have a question: where is Rockbox configuration file saved? By mistake last Sunday night I just changed the language from english.lang to italiano.lang (my mother language); so, forgetting to put italiano.voice on it, Rockbox stopped talking 12.57.27 Part Zagor 12.57.28 # I just deleted it and re-installed (the .rockbox and *.ajz file) but it didn't work! Does it save files in another place? 12.57.32 # it is stored in an unused sector on your disk 12.57.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: the "normal" saving is invisible 12.57.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> but you can save it into a file manually 12.58.02 # ah OK so I just uploaded on my .rockbox/langs dir the .voice file. 12.58.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> there's an option to do so 12.58.21 # where? 12.59.00 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 12.59.00 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 12.59.09 # * [IDC]Dragon looks... 12.59.17 # whoops 12.59.27 # Propose: for talkbox users, could it be possible to put an alert? I mean: while changing language and pressing OK, it just asks (if there's no voice file corresponding to the lang file): "are you sure? this would stop voice" continue? yes, no 12.59.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> F1->General Settings->System->Manage Setting 13.00.10 # I'll look at it when I go back home where my archos is 13.00.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: I think this "feature" would be a bit too much 13.01.23 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.01.23 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.02.52 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 13.02.58 # it could be a problem... if for example you are italian and by mistake you select "afrikaans.lng"... and there is no voice in it, there's no way to help! A sighted person who of course does not understand the new language could not help to reset it back! 13.03.45 # it *could* be a problem 13.03.50 # but it hasn't been so far 13.04.02 # what do you mean? 13.04.20 # you are the first to mention it, afaik 13.04.22 # we tend to not fix problems until we know it truly is a problem 13.04.45 # we have _very_ limited memory to play with, that means we leave out everything we can 13.04.51 # :) for blind people, it is a problem 13.05.09 # (i am blind, and this happened to me) 13.05.21 # solution: learn afrikaans ;) 13.05.37 # :) 13.05.40 # * Bagder grins 13.06.31 # well I just propose, then if it can be fixed OK, otherwise it doesn't matter. I think TalkBox is such a wonderful thing as it is. 13.06.44 # Jois: so basically, you would like a safety mechanism so you don't accidentally change the language (and lose the voice) 13.06.58 # yes 13.07.15 # would something like "are you sure you want to load a new language?" be enough? 13.07.29 # of course 13.08.05 # ok 13.08.12 # or: "load the new language? there's no speech in it" 13.08.39 # that would be a lot more advanced 13.08.53 # well I guess you don't want to load afrikaans even if there is speech in it :) 13.08.53 # i think a single-language installation would be best in this case 13.09.14 # LinusN: good point 13.10.12 # I meant, about the "no speech": the confirmation message says 13.10.43 # "the .voice file could not exist; load new language anyway? 13.11.35 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.11.35 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.11.39 # Jois: we understand, we meant that it involved looking for a matching .voice file, and that's a lot more complicated than just asking "are you sure" 13.12.35 # yes, I do not ask to look at .voice files I just say to mention it in the confirmation message so before going on you know the risk you are running. :) 13.14.11 # how about this: when voice is activated, only list those languages that have a voice file...? 13.14.20 # ouch 13.14.35 # why ouch? 13.14.43 # it isn't necessarily what you want 13.14.43 # we look for .lang files, don't we? 13.15.10 # i think it is 13.15.14 # i honestly think removing all the unwanted languages is both the best and simplest solution 13.15.19 # because you install the voice files manually 13.15.23 # yes, when you select the "language" options, it lists all .lang files in the .rockbox/langs directory 13.16.01 # maybe christy can add a language option to her installer. 13.16.26 # or are installers perhaps difficult to use when you are blind? 13.16.32 # Linus, OK!!! that is a very good solution: if voice is on, list only voice-supported langs! 13.16.49 # Zagor: but in jois case, removing the unwanted languages wouldn't help, since it was the .voice file that was missing 13.17.43 # Linus you gave the right solution! If talkbox is on, the "language" menu lists the files which have .lang and .voice 13.17.46 # sure, if only .langs that have .voice are present 13.18.02 # yes, we still need to look for both 13.18.25 # but i still think it's a Goot Thing to do 13.18.28 # Good 13.18.52 # but if I have voice enabled, using english and want to switch to swedish that has no voice? 13.18.56 # and it is fine with me? 13.19.07 # I'm not blind 13.19.36 # hmmm 13.19.44 # :) you temporarily move the .voice files and reboot 13.21.11 # that hurts 13.21.53 # Bagder sorry I did not think of your case :( 13.22.31 # I just supposed that a sighted person couldn't want to switch language on a blind's "toy" :) 13.22.42 # hehe 13.23.07 # voice is nice for sighted people too 13.24.16 # LinusN yes except for my boyfriend that says he goes crazy :) 13.24.44 # haha, it's *your* toy, not his :-) 13.24.54 # Jois: you're not supposed to read them out loud when you hear them you know ;-P 13.25.09 # LinusN I have all talking machines so he cannot control my things (PC, cell phone and now the MP3 player too!) :-) 13.25.55 # Bagder what do you mean? 13.26.03 # I'm only kidding 13.26.27 # yeah 13.26.52 # It could be nice also to have a possibility to increase and decrease voice rate but I do not think it's possible as there is no synthesizer engine in it 13.27.42 # voice rate I mean reads 100 words per minute, 150, ecc... 13.28.06 # Jois: right, it isn't possible to change that due to how the hw works 13.28.26 # we could change playback speed ;) 13.28.34 # smurf voice feature 13.28.36 # yeah, with a pitch 13.28.53 # yes but it sould increase/decrease the music too. 13.29.11 # that, if anything, will really drive your boyfriend crazy 13.29.27 # we can change the pitch for the voice only 13.29.30 # hahaha I love to have fun with voice synths I made it sing 13.30.13 # LinusN really? that could be good. for example, the possibility to have a pitch for menus and a pitch for file names 13.30.35 # the spelling is a pain as it is now 13.30.39 # slow 13.31.42 # yes 13.31.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi again, I was afk 13.32.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> spelling is only slow with the "wrong" voice file 13.32.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> the ones provided by Jens are better 13.32.33 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.32.33 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.32.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> (which are in wiki now) 13.32.43 # LinusN a friend of mine made a .vbs script working on Windows machines that allows to create .talk files (that are .mp3s) containg the file names, spoken by a synth installed on the user's pc 13.33.25 # which? Which new voice files? 13.33.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, we have such. 13.33.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> Maybe it's been invented twice now 13.33.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> (the script) 13.34.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois; where did you get your voice file from? 13.35.18 # wait, wait a moment I must go away for some minutes. I am coming back very soon. 13.35.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: About .lang browsing: the voice feature is on by default. 13.35.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> so filtering them by .voice presence is no good idea. 13.36.12 # i know 13.38.56 # maybe the "no voice file present" queue is the best solution after all 13.40.27 # here I am. I didn't follow your conversation sorry 13.41.26 # OK, I got my .voice file from http://rockbox.haxx.se/voice/english.voice 13.41.54 # and the italian one from www.cisad.it/archos but it is _not_ updated, I got it just to reset english rockbox 13.42.35 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.42.35 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.43.36 # Jois: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles 13.43.51 # that's where the new ones are 13.48.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: can you link http://rockbox.haxx.se/voice/ to twiki? 13.48.44 # As a sound-effect-"specialist" I am curious to know how voice files are built 13.48.50 # [IDC]Dragon: just did 13.49.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, proactive! 13.49.16 # :-] 13.49.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: basically they are a collection of many small mp3 files 13.49.50 # jois: a text-to-speech engine 13.49.59 # it's just curiosity; I suppose they are created by the Microsoft voice synth 13.50.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> generated by a TTS script 13.50.35 # there's one human spoken one too ;-) 13.51.50 # I am in the main page VoiceFiles; which one should i download? 13.52.05 # whichever you prefer :-) 13.52.30 # Jois: there are 10 different english voices 13.53.19 # yes I noticed 13.54.14 # try them all and pick the one you like 13.54.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: I'd recommend the ones generated with AT&T Natural Voices 13.55.53 # good old C= is making an mp3 player now 13.56.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: url? 13.56.32 # Bagder: i've seen that, isn't it simply brand theft? 13.57.02 # Zagor: you mean of the C= brand? no, it's been sold multiple times since the old days 13.57.08 # oh, this is not what I'd seen previously 13.57.19 # http://www.commodore.net/site/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=45&itemid=2&sitemid=9&prod=13&cat=1&specs=1&#stopspecs 13.57.53 # "28 minutes of anti-shock" 13.57.57 # 1.8" HDD 13.58.06 # hey 13.58.14 # "Nicole-Lithium" battery 13.58.16 # hehehe 13.58.31 # Nicole? 13.59.25 # you mentioned battery: how can I see how alive is my battery on archos jukebox recorder 20? 13.59.29 # Haha 13.59.31 # Nicole! :D 13.59.31 # general settings, system, battery? 13.59.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: Info -> Rockbox info (iirc) 14.00.07 # what's with the white "hat"? it would have been good-looking without it. 14.00.23 # yes, that looks odd 14.00.36 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.00.36 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.00.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> it would have been good-looking with the LCD up to there 14.01.08 # it claims to have a usb host 14.01.19 # or... 14.01.39 # [IDC]Dragon :-) Such a stupid girl I am! I thought rockbox info were such as "read the firmware version" and all 14.02.03 # the site is more than a little slashdotted right now so its a bit slow to click around in 14.02.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, that's why 14.02.52 # I notice every day there's a new build on the site; is it risky to update it daily? 14.03.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: no 14.03.29 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.03.29 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.03.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: this box is even smaller than the Gmini 220 14.04.06 # :( I must wait till 18:30 to try the new voice files as my toy is at home 14.04.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: and lighter 14.05.05 # bye! 14.05.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> the xclef is larger 14.05.09 # bye Jois 14.05.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> bye 14.06.04 # Let me say this: Rockbox with Talkbox is THE FIRST free project I have seen for "non-computer" hardware systems, to help the blind. The one for cell phones is NOT free and very, very expensive! 14.06.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> Jois: my pleasure! 14.07.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> (ahem, I take credit for making those voice menus) 14.07.23 # as well you should 14.07.47 # Jois: if they ever make a cellphone that is hackable, i'll be there :) 14.07.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> 14.08.17 # Of course some "traditional screen reader functionalities" are missing, because of the hardware architecture but IT DOES NOT MATTER, you are doing as much as you can, no one can do miracles :) 14.08.35 # not even Jörg? 14.08.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> I don't know what a "screen reader is" 14.09.04 # Zagor hackable phone? what do you mean? 14.09.24 # Jois: i have never seen a phone with a user interface I'm happy with. I'd like to write my own. 14.09.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> the term "screen reader" was mentioned often 14.09.28 # a phone which we can develop our own firmware on 14.09.54 # aha... I know I have Nokia 9210i that has symbian OS in it 14.10.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> get a java-enabled phone 14.10.13 # there is a product, Talks, that interfaces with Symbian 14.10.19 # [IDC]Dragon: no good. you can't access the phone hardware 14.10.27 # so you can only make silly games etc 14.10.42 # not even a decent calendar, since you aren't allowed to modify the sim contents 14.10.49 # ah, you need to access the phone's hardware? I am not expert :-) 14.10.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> you can't make a replacementt UI? 14.11.01 # correct 14.11.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> :-( 14.11.48 # Well: the screen reader is a program that interfaces to the operating system installed on the computer or the phone 14.12.29 # I am angry because the Talks program has the serial number depending on the GSM IMEI number, so that if my phone breaks down, I am... in the SH!T 14.14.39 # here's the "SCREEN READER" proper definition 14.15.09 # Screen reader = A software program that reads the contents of the screen aloud to a user. Screen readers are used primarily by individuals who are blind. 14.15.09 # Screen readers can usually only read text that is printed, not painted, to the screen. 14.16.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> read with voice, I guess (not braille) 14.17.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> isn't that a lot of babble then? 14.17.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> and all the formatting... 14.17.39 # and all the typos! 14.17.40 # yes, braille and voice 14.17.55 # of course it doesn't read colors & fonts 14.17.58 # when i paint on my screen, i can't see a thing 14.18.19 # * LinusN ducks 14.18.28 # it means, for "painted", for example gifs, jpg's, png's, flash animations (images) 14.18.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: have you tried? 14.19.11 # yeah, i use tipp-ex to correct my typos 14.19.13 # :-) 14.19.15 Join c0utta [0] (~c0utta@64.cust4.sa.dsl.ozemail.com.au) 14.19.28 # but Braille can not be implemented in "non-computer" things, the Braille display is a VERY EXPENSIVE hardware tool, connecting to the USB or serial port; for phones, cd players, etc... voice is the only solution 14.20.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.21.15 # I leave you, lunch break has terminated 14.21.17 Quit Jois ("Leaving") 14.21.18 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.21.18 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.21.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> Nibbler: what are you doing? 14.23.35 # ummm 14.23.39 # i'll try stopping it 14.40.11 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.52.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think it stopped... 15.07.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> Archos has now officially released the AV400 15.17.12 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 16.20.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.21.14 Quit AciD (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.23.43 Join NibbIer [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.25.39 Part Bagder 16.26.37 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.29.19 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.29.19 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.34.52 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.34.52 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.39.02 # Nibbler: please stop that 16.44.15 Nick Nibbler is now known as NibbIer (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.44.15 Nick NibbIer is now known as Nibbler (nibbler@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.45.16 # argh 16.45.23 # i dont understand this 16.46.04 # should be stopped now, i hope it does not reappear 17.15.10 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("no fate but what we make") 17.20.07 Join IRCMonkey [0] (~chatzilla@c175056.adsl.hansenet.de) 17.20.42 Nick IRCMonkey is now known as Slider (~chatzilla@c175056.adsl.hansenet.de) 17.21.48 # hi all 17.22.13 # need help by using archos Jukebox Studio 10 17.26.47 # whats wrong? 17.27.24 # i try to copy some dir's onto the Jukebox but after i pull the USB cable the dir's are away 17.29.10 # can anyone help me ? 17.33.13 # where should i copy my mp3 Dirs ? 17.34.48 # well, do u "savely remove" your jukebox? 17.37.10 # no whats that ? 17.40.08 # u using winXP? 17.40.24 # in the system-tray area, there is an icon for usb-attached hardware 17.40.34 # right-click it and choose to savely remove hardware 17.43.41 # ok, now it works ! 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I guess it was still cheaper than buying a lacie portable hdd 19.34.55 # just going to require more effort if I wanna use it for music I guess 19.36.07 # wanna buy it :p 19.39.04 # have you looked at the documents related to repairing common problems? 19.40.15 # yep 19.40.41 # it's how I tripped across the battery connection thing 19.40.44 # have you tried them? 19.40.50 # unfortunately, I didn't look before I bought it 19.40.52 # ;) 19.41.10 # haven't had a chance yet 19.41.32 # bbiab - 19.56.23 Quit ka__ ("Leaving") 20.06.41 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D114A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.21.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.26.25 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.30.50 Quit midk2k3 (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 NSplit bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.30.50 Quit webmind_ (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit AciD (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit scott666_ (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit ze (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit Ka_ (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit amiconn (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit mbr (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit Hes (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit RyeToast (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit hardeep (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit Doehni_ (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit c0utta (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit dwihno (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.30.50 Quit tomMeditates (bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.32.54 NHeal bear.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.32.54 NJoin amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D114A.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.32.54 NJoin RyeToast [0] (~Codger@206.205.91.80) 20.32.54 NJoin hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 20.32.54 NJoin Doehni_ [0] (~Doensen@163.108-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) 20.32.54 NJoin AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 20.32.54 NJoin c0utta [0] (~c0utta@64.cust4.sa.dsl.ozemail.com.au) 20.32.54 NJoin midk2k3 [0] (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 20.32.54 NJoin webmind_ [0] (~cme2@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 20.32.54 NJoin scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 20.32.54 NJoin ze [20] (psyco@adsl-64-161-172-117.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 20.32.54 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp04776551pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 20.32.54 NJoin tomMeditates [0] (~kaboofa@66.92.66.5) 20.32.54 NJoin dwihno [0] (~dw@81.8.224.89) 20.32.54 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@he.fi) 20.32.54 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 20.36.36 Quit hardeep ("Read error: 2.99792458 x 10^8 meters/second (Excessive speed of light)") 21.20.29 Join ka__ [0] (~tkirk@65.216.194.2) 21.23.40 Part RyeToast 21.23.47 Join RyeToast [0] (~Codger@206.205.91.80) 21.30.09 Join mattzz [0] (~mattzz@b098155.adsl.hansenet.de) 21.30.18 # moin moin 21.32.27 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 21.42.13 Quit mattzz ("Client exiting") 21.46.37 Quit Doehni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.00.37 Quit scott666_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.39 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 22.06.47 Join Nibbler [0] (NibbIer@port-212-202-73-96.dynamic.qsc.de) 22.10.09 Quit ka__ ("Leaving") 22.21.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.51.10 Quit RyeToast (Remote closed the connection) 23.38.43 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.48.45 Quit scott666_ ("i'll be back...eventually...") 23.50.33 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com)