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03.19.10 #       <goyschak> Hi bluechip
03.19.17 #       <BlueChip> hey hey
03.19.25 #       <goyschak> back again
03.19.35 #       <BlueChip> life is good?
03.19.37 #       <goyschak> im a bit slow now
03.19.55 #       <goyschak> thanks for your mentioning
03.20.05 #       <goyschak> yes lifes good
03.20.29 #       <goyschak> in the tutorial
03.25.21 #       <BlueChip> credit where credit's due
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04.56.15 #       <Oiram> Hey.. I was just wondering if rockbox will allow me to play any other file formats.. other than mp3 on my archos?
04.56.30 #       <BlueChip> not audio, no
04.56.43 #       <Oiram> oh.. darn
04.57.02 #       <Oiram> What other files can I view?
04.57.07 #       <BlueChip> jpg
04.57.09 #       <BlueChip> rvf
04.57.14 #       <BlueChip> txt
04.57.18 #       <Oiram> okay
04.57.18 #       <BlueChip> errrrr
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04.59.02 #       <Oiram> no plans to add support for other audio formats in then near future?
04.59.28 #       <BlueChip> there are political issues to cover and documentation to acquire afaik
04.59.58 #       <Oiram> ah
05.01.05 #       <Oiram> Not being able to play my wma + ogg audio files is a pain... and converting them.. even larger pain
05.01.47 #       <BlueChip> perhaps you have the contacts we need to rectify the problems?
05.02.19 #       <Oiram> haha.. I'm sorry I don't.
05.02.33 #       <BlueChip> shame, but never say diem hey?
05.02.38 #       <BlueChip> *die
05.02.43 #       <BlueChip> lol (nice typo)
05.02.50 #       <Oiram> hehe
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07.51.06 #       <BlueChip> LinusN: You started on a fix for the libplugins a while back ...did you ever get it working?
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09.24.12 #       <amiconn> hi all
09.25.12 #       <midk> yo amiconn, idc.
09.25.14 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: What would I have to do if I want to run rockbox directly from flash?
09.26.40 #       <LinusN> amiconn: a lot :-)
09.27.16 #       <amiconn> lol
09.27.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> morning guys
09.28.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I have in fact worked on running directly from flash
09.28.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it works, but has some strange bugs
09.28.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> probably because of our lacking "const" discipline
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09.29.24 #       <amiconn> I know that. I would like to know how I have to build rockbox to use it that way
09.29.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
09.29.56 #       * [IDC]Dragon tries to remember, it's been a while
09.30.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's a flag in the make file or so
09.30.35 #       <amiconn> Perhaps I'm even going to dig into the issues some day
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09.31.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I abandoned it because of the space constraints
09.31.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's worse than the 200k an .ajz allows us
09.31.29 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: When compiling with gcc 3.3.1 (cygwin), it should fit again
09.32.17 #       <amiconn> If I am correct, the 2nd flash image starts at 68K in the ROM, so we should be able to use 256K-68K = 188K
09.32.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for V1 recorders, the 2nd flash image starts at 68k
09.32.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you've been faster
09.33.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you're correct
09.33.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's worse for the FM
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09.33.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> somebody with an FM at hand?
09.33.53 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Current cvs .ajz is 181.24K when compiled with gcc 3.3.1
09.34.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> tight squeeze ;-)
09.34.38 #       <midk> hey LinusN 
09.34.41 #       <midk> and Zagor 
09.34.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no FM user around?
09.34.59 #       <midk> every dev usually joins within about 10 minutes of each other
09.35.01 #       <midk> not i.
09.36.01 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: The v2/fm .ajz is 185.21K compiled with gcc 3.3.1, so if the flash image does not start later than 68K for these it should fit as well (iirc flash sectors are 4K)
09.36.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it starts later...
09.36.33 #       * [IDC]Dragon checks
09.37.04 #       <LinusN> i have an fm
09.37.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it should start at 76k, if my files tell me correct
09.38.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: what does the info screen say if you play an .ucl?
09.39.00 #       <amiconn> Argh... Throw out the Archos fw from the first image and replace it with a small .ajz loader
09.39.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I was thinking about that, too
09.39.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we'd need to make a very safe mini-Rockbox then
09.41.46 #       <amiconn> Imho it doesn't need to be able to play any sound; only load .ajz, some error handling, and possibly some very basic browsing functionality
09.41.58 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: i haven't flashed my fm, so it says "no image"
09.42.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: ah, logical
09.42.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN is a chicken...
09.42.41 #       <amiconn> LinusN the plugin breaker ;-)
09.43.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn the not-function-sorter
09.43.10 #       <LinusN> amiconn: :-)
09.43.28 #       <LinusN> the progressbar exterminator
09.43.36 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Yes I know that I should've done it, but I really didn't have that much time
09.43.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> didn't the comment say he who breaks plugin compatibility has to sort the plugin functions?  ;-)
09.44.07 #       <LinusN> that was me :-)
09.45.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: Just digged it out, I have an alternative .lds file for flash linking. This wasn't checked it. Do you want it?
09.46.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ...checked in...
09.46.48 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I suppose that after compiling/ linking with the alternate .lds, I would have to rename rockbox.bin to xyz.ucl and flash that?
09.47.06 #       <LinusN> no, you uclpack it
09.47.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ahem, no. You need a "special" version of uclpack which has my extra option of not compressing
09.47.39 #       <LinusN> ah, silly me
09.47.42 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Ah
09.48.03 #       <midk> LinusN: in your windows exe installer you give the option of "Recorder 6, 10, 20"
09.48.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the flash infrastructure needs those .ucl headers around it
09.48.10 #       <midk> i fail to see "15" included
09.48.20 #       <LinusN> midk: ah
09.50.22 #       <LinusN> midk: fixed
09.50.34 #       <LinusN> (in upcoming builds)
09.50.39 #       <midk> YAY
09.50.42 #       <midk> i mean.. good work.
09.56.29 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Is there are reason why uclpack isn't included in the tools directory?
09.57.27 #       <amiconn> I mean, while uclpack isn't genuine Rockbox code, some tools that are there aren't either
09.58.31 #       <LinusN> what does the ucl license say?
09.58.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> GPL
10.00.02 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Imho you could check in in then, including your no-compression extension
10.00.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's quite a tree
10.00.39 #       <Zagor> that's why we don't have it :)
10.01.08 #       <amiconn> Ah ok
10.01.46 #       <Zagor> all tools we have are single-file tools, and all except one are custom-written for rockbox
10.02.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: can you compile uclpack?
10.03.09 #       <amiconn> Should be possible if I have the sources (I have cygwin installed complete with gcc)
10.03.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no problem then
10.08.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I just sent you an email with the stuff
10.09.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> How do I upgrade to gcc 3.3.1?
10.09.26 #       <amiconn> Thank you, got it.
10.10.38 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Get sh-elf-gcc from Eric Lassauge's cygwin mirror, as described here http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_3_Select_Eric_s_mirror_site
10.11.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, sorry for RTFM questions
10.12.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: running from flash has some funny side effects
10.12.39 #       <amiconn> Any examples?
10.12.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a rather intrigued one is: you can't jun the flash plugin then
10.13.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/jun/run
10.13.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because during flashing, other code must not touch it
10.14.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or in other words: you can't reprogram the memory under your feet
10.14.54 #       <amiconn> ...cause your're overwriting your own code. Then flash plugin would have to check this condition and you would have to RoLo into an .ajz before flashing
10.15.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but you can simply run a .ajz and be RAM-based again, yes.
10.15.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but this is a nitty-gritty detail.
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10.16.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the code needs some more debugging beforehand
10.16.38 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Is it possible to access the flash at all (for reading) while flashing?
10.16.47 #       <Christi-S> Morning.
10.16.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I remember that it failed to load any plugin
10.17.08 #       <Christi-S> I feel the urge to mention how much I hate OpenOffice again.
10.17.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (some Rockbox bug which only happens in ROM)
10.17.21 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I think I will look into it
10.17.24 #       <Christi-S> Oh, and that the ID3 viewer doesn't seem to work in the simulator.
10.17.44 #       <LinusN> it doesn't?
10.17.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I narrowed it down a bit, it looked like the plain file open failes.
10.18.13 #       <Christi-S> Nope.  Neither player or recorder.
10.18.21 #       <LinusN> Christi-S: what happens?
10.18.37 #       <Christi-S> Nothing.  Key combo just doesn't do anything.
10.19.01 #       <LinusN> x11 or win32?
10.19.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you can read the flash again after completing a sector, but this won't help much.
10.19.09 #       <Christi-S> And there's a bug in the player display code that means most of the plugins don't update the screen the way they should.
10.19.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but don't worry about that yet.
10.19.32 #       <Christi-S> Both.
10.19.52 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Perhaps we should make the flash plugin totally self-contained then (if I get the other issues sorted)
10.19.52 #       <Christi-S> No, sorry.  Linux.
10.20.02 #       <Christi-S> Not tried it on Windows.
10.20.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: well, first things first.
10.20.16 #       <LinusN> Christi-S: key combos work pretty bad in the x11 sim
10.20.42 #       <LinusN> it's a button driver issue
10.21.09 #       * Christi-S nods. The enter key doesn't work at all if you run it under VNC. (My solution - don't do that then).
10.21.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the flash plugin itself rund from RAM, so if you have the whole file preloaded and interrupts disabled, you can flash.
10.21.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/rund/runs
10.21.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but you'd need to restart afterwards.
10.21.52 #       <Christi-S> Linus - the other combos work for me sometimes.  The ID3 viewer is the only one I consistently can't get.
10.21.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no chance to output a status
10.22.29 #       <Christi-S> Not too much of a problem, since I took a screenshot off my FMR, and the player is much the same, but I thought you'd want to know.
10.22.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for now, having to RoLo first would be the minor issue.
10.22.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Christi-S: sorry for crossing in your discussion...
10.23.14 #       <Christi-S> [IDC]Dragon - no problem.  My fault for starting it in the middle of yours.
10.23.18 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: You could output a status as well, if the flash plugin is self-contained. This goes for both firmware_flash and rockbox_flash of course.
10.23.39 #       <amiconn> After that just jump to the coldstart address
10.23.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this would have to include LCD output then
10.23.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't worry about it yet
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10.24.50 #       <amiconn> Yes I know, and I don't (atm)
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10.25.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> :-)
10.25.15 #       <LinusN> Christi-S: it works in the win32 sim
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11.34.34 #       <Christi-S-> Has anyone documented the bookmark functionality anywhere?
11.35.12 #       <LinusN> yes, the original author did, on his website, iirc
11.36.45 #       <LinusN> but i can't find it now...
11.37.05 #       <Christi-S-> Bugger.  I don't really understand it at all.
11.40.19 #       <LinusN> what is it that you don't understand?
11.40.45 #       <Christi-S-> Let me go grab my JB.
11.42.29 #       <Christi-S-> What does the "load last bookmark" option do.
11.43.29 #       <LinusN> it loads the last bookmark for the file you are playing
11.44.00 #       <LinusN> i.e play a file, and it fast forwards to the last bookmarked position
11.44.22 #       <Christi-S-> OK - what's the point of that?  Why not just play the bookmark?
11.44.35 #       <LinusN> the bookmark file contains many bookmarks
11.45.38 #       <Christi-S-> Hmmm?  On my JB it saves the bookmark as a file in the local directory.
11.45.44 #       <Christi-S-> You can see why I'm confused, right?
11.45.57 #       <LinusN> there is one bookmark file per directory
11.46.15 #       <LinusN> containing the bookmarks for all files in that dir
11.46.21 #       <Christi-S-> Ah, got you.
11.46.41 #       <Christi-S-> What does playing the bookmark file do if it contains more than one bookmark?
11.47.56 #       <LinusN> it presents a bookmark menu where you can select the bookmark you want
11.48.59 #       <LinusN> it does that even if there is only one bookmark in the file
11.49.58 #       <Christi-S-> So it does, must've got confused.
11.50.30 #       <Christi-S-> Right, that's cleared that up, I think.  I can now probably document the damn thing.
11.50.48 #       <LinusN> wonderful
11.51.27 #       * Christi-S- looks at the acres of manual still to go and wonders why I agreed to take this on again.
11.51.36 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.51.47 #       <LinusN> you don't have to do it all
11.51.53 #       <LinusN> lunch time!
11.51.59 #       <Christi-S-> See you.
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13.03.33 #       <Christi-S> Anyone here remember how Stereo Wide and Stereo Narrow work?
13.05.07 #       * Christi-S assumes that the "Stereo" setting means that the MAS does no mixing and passes the stereo signals straight to the outputs.
13.05.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Christi-S: should be, yes
13.06.18 #       <amiconn> Stereo passes the stereo signal straight through
13.06.25 #       <Christi-S> What about wide and narrow?
13.06.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> narrow means some degree of downmix towards mono
13.06.58 #       <amiconn> Stereo narrow mixes a small amount of the left channel to the right and vice versa, so narrowing the stereo base.
13.07.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> wide is amplifying the channel differences
13.08.19 #       <Christi-S> So how does wide work?
13.08.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> [13:07] <[IDC]Dragon> wide is amplifying the channel differences
13.08.49 #       <Christi-S> How does it amplify them?
13.09.10 #       * Christi-S apologises for all the questions. Just want to make sure I've got the docs right.
13.09.16 #       <amiconn> Stereo wide does also mix the channels, but it inverts the phase, this (virtually) widens the stereo base
13.09.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, say it computes the mono from averaging the two
13.09.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and the difference
13.10.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then you can reconstruct each channel by adding the difference to the mono
13.10.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (actually, half the difference)
13.10.29 #       * Christi-S nods. With you so far.
13.10.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or you could scale that difference
13.10.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> factor of 1 os stereo
13.11.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> os/is
13.11.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> forctor of 0 would give mono
13.11.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> grr, factor, i mean
13.11.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a factor <1 is narrow, >1 is wide
13.12.12 #       <Christi-S> Ah, right.
13.12.32 #       * Christi-S tries to think of a way to explain that that won't be confusing in the manual.
13.12.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think the MAS datasheet has some graphics about it
13.13.08 #       * Christi-S nods.
13.13.17 #       <Christi-S> I like stereo wide myself.
13.13.37 #       <amiconn> Adding to [IDC]Dragon's explanation, Karaoke mode does only use the difference signal and drops the average signal
13.13.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't like anything that messes with the "true" sound
13.15.07 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Then you shouldn't like mp3 either
13.15.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to some extent, this is true
13.15.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I definitely dislike 128 kBit/s
13.16.00 #       * Christi-S has found MP3 at 256 Kb/s to be pretty much indistinguishable.
13.16.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that's plenty
13.16.18 #       <Christi-S> Except for Lever St. by Death in Vegas, which seems to be a pathological case.
13.16.48 #       * [IDC]Dragon has never heard about that
13.17.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> live recordings are difficult
13.17.24 #       <Christi-S> I may have just hit a bug in an earlier LAME - I ought to try re-encoding it.
13.17.48 #       <Christi-S> But it's lots of messy feedback filters and really heavy bass.
13.18.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> personally, I like 192 kBit, or use VBR close to that if encoding myself
13.18.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (VBR rulez!)
13.18.42 #       <Christi-S> I went for the overkill option.
13.18.56 #       <Christi-S> 256  - VBR wasn't that great when I started encoding.
13.19.20 #       <Zagor> i like --alt-preset extreme. it mostly ends up at about 220 kbit
13.19.36 #       <Christi-S> But I've switched to ABR since.  Still at 256 though.  I think I can perceive a difference.  Could be psychological though.
13.19.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I very much prefer the concept of constant quality. a constant bitrate doesn't help me.
13.20.08 #       <Zagor> Christi-S: ABR is vbr, only it uses a different algorithm for selecting bitrate
13.21.07 #       * Christi-S nods. Hence why I switched. The VBR algorythm has got more mature and ABR minimises the danger of the encoder getting it wrong and throwing away too much data.
13.22.07 #       <Christi-S> I freely admit my choices are extreme, but I basically kept pushing up the encoding until I was sure I couldn't hear a difference.
13.22.37 #       <Christi-S> (On a piece of music I knew really well - Tubular Bells II by Mike Oldfield, as it happens)
13.22.41 #       <Zagor> i'm not so sure it does. abr can actually limit so you don't as high bitrates as the material could require.
13.23.12 #       <Christi-S> Ah, but if I'm using 256 abr, shouldn't limit too much.
13.23.23 #       <Zagor> i have that. do you remember any particularly tricky sections? (just for fun)
13.23.48 #       <Christi-S> Not off the top of my head, no, sorry.  This was about 4 years ago.
13.24.20 #       <Christi-S> Although The Bell is a good track - has a lot of different instruments in it and vocals as well.
13.25.34 #       <Zagor> i have way too many of my records encoded at 128 :(
13.25.52 #       * amiconn does also prefer constand quality over constant bitrate
13.26.29 #       <Zagor> i wonder if there's a company nearby that can reencode them for me...
13.26.33 #       <amiconn> I use lame --preset standard most of the time, which comes out at ~200 kbps on average
13.27.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Don't know where the 128 came from. This must have been the default of the first encoder?
13.27.04 #       <amiconn> But it can go as low as ~160 kbps or as high as >256 kbps depending on the music
13.27.26 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: yeah, i think so
13.28.58 #       * [IDC]Dragon deleted most of the 128 tracks
13.30.03 #       <Christi-S> I'm actually having fun with the screenshots for the manual.  Picking a lot of tracks I like from my music collection.
13.31.28 #       <Zagor> hehe, subliminally altering the world's taste in music ;)
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13.39.48 #       <Christi-S> Quality is largely subjective, anyway.  And encoder dependent.  I like to at least have some guarantee that I'm not missi
13.40.01 #       <Christi-S> missing too much of the original.
13.40.27 #       <Christi-S> Of course, I am not an MP3 guru, just someone that likes music.
13.48.44 #       <Christi-S> What would you use Auto Volume with a long delay for?
13.49.14 #       <corbell> heh
13.49.37 #       * corbell wants some mp3s
13.49.49 #       <corbell> the shawshank redemption is a good movie, by the way :p
13.50.17 #       <Christi-S> Here is not a good place to ask.  There are many MP3 swapping IRC channels - try there.
13.50.27 #       <Zagor> Christi-S: the longer the delay, the less "pumping" you get. some people prefer a long delay to get rid of the pumping as much as possible
13.50.39 #       <Christi-S> What is pumping?
13.50.52 #       <Zagor> when the volume goes up and down
13.50.55 #       <corbell> sudden changes in sound volume
13.51.09 #       <Christi-S> Ah, right.
13.51.24 #       <corbell> I usually use LAME
13.51.32 #       <corbell> albeit the settings really vary on what I'm encoding
13.51.44 #       <Zagor> you can hear it on some radio stations that automatically reduces the volume of the background music when the dj speaks, and then resumes when he goes silent. it can sound very annoying.
13.51.53 #       <corbell> I want 30 minute or so long music files and audio books to be 'smaller'
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13.52.28 #       <corbell> but I suppose now I've got enough storage to pretty much make that concern null and void
13.53.53 #       <Christi-S> Right now for the tricky bit - goes and looks up Linus' MAS docs.
13.55.17 #       * corbell almost wants to pickup an archos recorder 20 to keep as a collector's item :p
13.56.18 #       <Christi-S> If I were rich, I'd buy a couple of spare JBFMs now just in case.
13.56.29 #       <corbell> Yeah, they're going to disappear eventually.
13.56.34 #       <corbell> I mean, no one is making new ones.
13.56.51 #       <corbell> I've got a JBFM, but again, as I stated earlier, it is missing the damned battery cover
13.57.00 #       <corbell> so that makes if effectively useless to me.
13.57.05 #       <LinusN> missing?
13.57.08 #       <Christi-S> You should be able to improvise something.
13.57.20 #       <corbell> LinusN: I loaned it out to my brother after I bought a new mp3 player
13.57.25 #       <corbell> he took the thing apart
13.57.31 #       <corbell> and lost parts :P
13.57.31 #       <Christi-S> Really all that's needed is a bit of metal to connect the two batteries together.
13.57.45 #       <Christi-S> You could possibly do it with a paper clip and some tape.
13.57.56 #       <corbell> Paper clip wouldn't be a decent conductor, would it?
13.58.12 #       <Christi-S> Well, it'd have to be a plain metal one.
13.58.22 #       <corbell> I mean, you would want something essentially equivalent in size and material to the previous one
13.58.34 #       <LinusN> wow, that lid is pretty big, nothing you lose just like that
13.58.39 #       <corbell> It'd be easier if I could just find a broken JBFM
13.58.47 #       <corbell> LinusN: He is a moron, seriously.
13.59.03 #       <LinusN> i believe you :-)
13.59.30 #       <LinusN> losing one of those screws is one thing, but...
13.59.39 #       <corbell> heh, the screws could be replaced
14.00.42 #       <corbell> The worst part is most of the paint is worn off, and that includes the serial numbers on the rear.
14.00.54 #       <corbell> So I can't really try to get additional parts from archos, I don't think
14.04.48 #       <corbell> I just now tried using a little piece of metal to act as a makeshift contact
14.04.51 #       <corbell> I get an hd error
14.04.59 #       <corbell> the voltage could be too low, I think
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14.17.16 #       <Christi-S> You know, one of the great things about documenting is that once you've done it, you understand things a lot better.
14.17.30 #       <Christi-S> Obviously this only applies to documenting other people's stuff.
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14.17.57 #       <corbell> heh, I usually figure things out by having to put them back together
14.18.05 #       <corbell> But I work mainly with generators
14.18.06 #       <corbell> :p
14.18.21 #       <Christi-S> corbell - Tape the piece of metal to the battery then charge it for a bit.
14.18.27 #       <Christi-S> See if that helps.
14.18.38 #       <corbell> doing that, actually
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14.51.10 #       * Christi-S- grrs. You wouldn't think duplicating the wiki table style in OpenOffice would be difficult, would you? Well damned if I can find a way to change the colour of the outside of the table elements in the title line.
14.53.30 #       * corbell loves the sound quality on his lovely nomad jukebox zen xtra
14.53.39 #       <corbell> but I want my old recorder back...
14.59.03 #       * Christi-S- figures out how to do this, but that there's no way to put it in the default style.
14.59.07 #       <Christi-S-> That's bloody shit.
14.59.25 #       <Christi-S-> Oh, wait a moment, it's OpenOffice.  The only Wordprocessor worse than MS Word.
14.59.33 #       <Christi-S-> What was I thinking?
15.00.05 #       <corbell> you get what you pay for? :)
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15.02.05 #       <corbell> god
15.02.12 #       <corbell> it'd been a long time since I've visited remix.kwed.org
15.02.16 #       <corbell> good stuff.
15.09.26 #       <Christi-S-> Even so, OO is *still* better value than Word.
15.09.35 #       <Christi-S-> And I'm not saying word is any good either.
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16.26.50 #       <Zagor> i'm off on vacation. see you guys.
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16.53.00 #       <silencer> hi there
16.53.24 #       <dwihno> howdy!
16.53.45 #       <silencer> i would like to know a little about playlists in rockbox ...
16.53.55 #       <silencer> first, is m3u the only format accepted ?
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16.55.15 #       <silencer> and then, how does it load the files if the path is not absolute (looking in the sub directories, in the root, ..)
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16.55.24 #       <Christi-S> What does the caption backlight option do?
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16.58.14 #       <dwihno> Christi-S: a couple of seconds before, I think the backlight is turned on
16.58.24 #       <dwihno> before track change, that is
16.58.31 #       <Christi-S> Thanks.
16.58.38 #       <dwihno> silencer: well, it's the simplest format :)
16.59.51 #       <silencer> dwihno: sure
17.01.15 #       <silencer> dwihno: but i'm not really sure to understand exactly what happen when the path is not correct (in the doc, it is said that a simple`dir` could create a playlist: but there's a letter drive before each track...)
17.01.44 #       <silencer> well, i'm checking out the source to browse by myself
17.02.06 #       <dwihno> silencer: I think it actually works if you have the complete path
17.02.47 #       <silencer> but X:/toto is not a correct path on rockbox, but it does work ...
17.03.00 #       <silencer> (it should be /toto)
17.03.21 #       * Christi-S decides the Line Selector setting is really in the wrong place.
17.03.44 #       <dwihno> I think the settings is a jungle
17.03.46 #       <Christi-S> Should be in status/scrollbar rather than LCD, I think.
17.03.58 #       <Christi-S> Yeah, it needs a damn good overhaul.
17.04.22 #       <silencer> sure
17.04.28 #       <dwihno> I think there was an overhaul not too long ago
17.04.44 #       <dwihno> (which caused the bookmark settings to be topmost instead of sound settings! *grumble*)
17.07.47 #       <silencer> anyone knows where does the playlists are loaded in the source ... i'm not very skilled in C :)
17.07.50 #       <silencer> ?
17.09.26 #       <dwihno> apps/playlist.c perhaps?
17.09.45 #       <silencer> hmmh hmmh right, it looks like ... sorry :)
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17.14.57 #       <silencer> i'll look that, thx dwihno 
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17.24.16 #       <Christi-S> Does anyone remember the default battery life on the LiOn players?
17.24.26 #       <Christi-S> Erm, capacity rather.
17.24.52 #       <dwihno> 1500
17.25.14 #       <Christi-S> Nope, that's the NiMH ones.
17.27.26 #       <dwihno> sorry
17.27.27 #       <dwihno> well
17.27.29 #       <dwihno> dunno then
17.27.40 #       <dwihno> 1 gigaflop? :)
17.29.39 #       <Christi-S> I think it's 2300, but I'm guessing.  Mine has an upgraded battery.
17.29.57 #       <dwihno> where did you get the new battery?
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17.50.20 #       <Christi-S> Anyone got a recorder v1/player can tell me what's in the disk menu?
17.51.54 #       <dwihno> I got a hitachi-disk; replaced it myself.
17.52.00 #       <dwihno> you want the stats?
17.53.39 #       <Christi-S> Nope, just the options that are in Disk Settings in the System menu.
17.53.58 #       <Christi-S> There's only one on my FMR which usually means there's other V1 specific options.
17.54.11 #       <dwihno> spindown and poweriff
17.54.21 #       <Christi-S> Right.
17.54.31 #       <Christi-S> FMR doesn't have poweroff - I have no idea why/
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18.00.53 #       <Christi-S> Also, can you tell me whereabouts the Line In selector is in your menus, please?
18.07.25 #       <dwihno> recording settings/source
18.09.17 #       <Christi-S> Ah, right.  Yes.
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18.17.44 #       <zeekoe> identify abcd1234
18.17.55 #       <zeekoe> whoops :P
18.18.49 #       <zeekoe> how can i register/identify?
18.19.01 #       <bipak> haha :>
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18.19.24 #       <bipak> thats a secure pw ;)
18.24.26 #       <zeekoe> yeah really
18.24.29 #       <zeekoe> just a test pw
18.24.52 #       <zeekoe> is it actually possible to register/identify?
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18.26.14 #       <bipak> try /msg nickserv help
18.26.58 #       <zeekoe> cool
18.30.00 #       <zeekoe> it works :)
18.32.02 #       <uski> zeekoe, you need to change your password
18.32.10 #       <uski> now everyone knows it and can impersonate your nick
18.32.33 #       <uski> also, as the IRC channel is logged, everyone on the internet will know your password in a few hours
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18.35.32 #       <zeekoe> i realized that :)
18.35.43 #       <zeekoe> or actually not really :) but more :(
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18.49.01 #       <Christi-S> Phew - configuration options now done.
18.49.19 #       <dstar5> for what?
18.49.30 #       <Christi-S> A lot of this manual is now releaseable, but I don't want to do that until I've tidied up dangling links etc.
18.49.37 #       <Christi-S> The Rockbox manual.
18.49.46 #       <Christi-S> I'm about half way through updating it.
18.50.25 #       <Christi-S> Still to go Plugins, Flashing, Generating .talk files, custom WPS screens.
18.50.31 #       <Christi-S> And then general tidying up.
18.50.53 #       <dstar5> neato :)
18.52.36 #       * Christi-S nods. I'm finally figuring out how to work around OpenOffice's brain damage too.
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18.58.42 #       <dstar5> Christi-S: want to try out rockbox trivia?
18.58.55 #       <dstar5> and webmind?
18.59.10 #       <Christi-S> Are they plugins?
18.59.15 #       <dstar5> no
18.59.18 #       <dstar5> irc channle
18.59.26 #       <dstar5> #rockbox-trivia
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19.02.14 #       <Christi-S> Erm, what on earth do they do?
19.02.33 #       <dstar5> what do?
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20.31.44 #       <midk> wtf
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20.32.11 #       <midk> ok that's it
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23.39.10 #       <t> hmm
23.39.22 #       <midk> hmm
23.42.19 #       <t> just got a v1 recorder in
23.42.28 #       <t> a bit a nnoyed that i need to charge it
23.42.33 #       <t> 6hours
23.43.26 #       <t> damn thing cost me $239 as well bah
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