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09.06.54 #       <IcedDog> has anyone upgraded their AJB hard drive? Thinking of replacing my 20GB with a 40GB
09.07.02 #       <IcedDog> getting kinda full ;)
09.16.38 #       <midk> yes, you can
09.16.55 #       <midk> it's on the rockbox page.
09.17.32 #       <IcedDog> I figured I'd use that tutorial... http://www2.funmp3players.com/reviews/modify/
09.18.09 #       <IcedDog> been searching for a replacement HD...think I found a suitable one
09.19.14 #       <IcedDog> Hitachi DK23DA-40F...not sure if it's FAT32 though
09.19.29 #       <IcedDog> do most of those drives come as NTFS?
09.20.12 #       <midk> no, they come 'unformatted'
09.21.02 #       <IcedDog> I see...what's the best way to format it?
09.21.29 #       <midk> windows?
09.21.41 #       <midk> oh
09.21.42 #       <midk> um
09.21.43 #       <midk> yeah
09.22.57 #       <IcedDog> more details please...bit of a newb when it comes to this ;)
09.23.44 #       <IcedDog> do I have to open up my desktop and connect the HD somehow?
09.24.33 #       <midk> ok no, here's what you do
09.24.44 #       <midk> purchase the hard drive... then you have to put it in the archos
09.24.50 #       <midk> there are numerous tutorials on the web for it
09.24.59 #       <midk> when it's all installed you plug in USB and then power on
09.25.11 #       <midk> you can go to usb from archos f/w, and you can format it from there
09.25.59 #       <IcedDog> ahh...ok...I thought I had to format it before I installed
09.26.18 #       <IcedDog> so it will at least boot up without being formatted then?
09.27.57 #       <midk> it should, if you plug in usb first.
09.28.36 #       <IcedDog> nice...thanks for the info bro!
09.32.03 #       <midk> np
09.35.29 #       <IcedDog> I'll let you know how it turns out...lol
09.37.03 #       <midk> yay
09.37.05 #       <midk> come back soon
09.38.25 #       <IcedDog> will do..laters
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09.52.10 #       <scott666> wait. he's not capable of installing a HD in his 'desktop' but he IS capable of installing it in his archos?
09.52.30 #       <midk> right..
09.52.34 #       <midk> that's because laptop hdds are smaller
09.52.56 #       <scott666> well yeah but theres adapters
09.53.32 #       <scott666> he kind of lost my benefit of doubt by asking if drives come NFTS
09.53.46 #       <scott666> *NTFS
09.53.50 #       <midk> haha.. i was sort of thinking the same thing
09.54.55 #       <scott666> also youd think that if he didnt know how to FORMAT a drive, he wouldnt be able to install one in an archos
09.56.21 #       <midk> calm down scottey
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15.04.13 #       <Jt740> Hi
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16.06.23 #       <oxygen77> is the rtc chip from St used in rockbox?
16.07.09 #       <lImbus> let's see the high-res-pictures
16.07.32 #       <lImbus> oh well, you mean if the chip is used by the software ?
16.07.35 #       <lImbus> yes, it is.
16.08.22 #       <lImbus> it's used for time-purposes as well as storing some settings (resuming for example, as it changes a lot and quickly)
16.08.48 #       <lImbus> then, if you modify the hardware a small bit, you can let you wake up
16.09.01 #       <oxygen77> k, I'm working on avos project
16.09.12 #       <oxygen77> and we have the same chip in it
16.09.19 #       <oxygen77> do you know how it is accessed
16.09.20 #       <oxygen77> ?
16.09.45 #       <lImbus> nope
16.09.52 #       <oxygen77> k
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16.10.27 #       <lImbus> maybe you can check the code. settings.c may be a good starting point, then gooing deeper
16.10.53 #       <oxygen77> do you know if there is some kind of i2c driver in rockbox?
16.11.44 #       <lImbus> no idea
16.11.59 #       <lImbus> I suppose there has to be, but I don't know
16.12.05 #       <oxygen77> k
16.12.13 #       <oxygen77> thx anyway
16.12.40 #       <lImbus> np. looking if there is a i2c.c somewhere
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16.16.50 #       <lImbus> oxygen77, there is: http://rockbox.haxx.se/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/firmware/drivers/i2c.c?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain
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16.17.14 #       <oxygen77> thx
16.17.54 #       <oxygen77> it seems to be related to MAS
16.18.37 #       <oxygen77> I've seen that the communication with the MAS is done by i2c
16.18.58 #       <oxygen77> what is strange is that on the av you also have access to battery metter and rtc using i2c
16.18.59 #       <lImbus> sorry, I'm not that hardware-techie to understand those details :-/
16.19.09 #       <oxygen77> same from me
16.19.23 #       <oxygen77> but as I'm almost alone on the project ...
16.19.45 #       <lImbus> ohh.
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16.20.13 #       <oxygen77> :)
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18.38.36 #       <NeoBoy> hi there, is anyone alive here this time of day 
18.38.47 #       <wiler> okay so i am using a v1 recorder have the quality set to 5, source is microphone and it worked for the firs tfile but when i tried to record a second file it appeared to work but then when i stopped the recording no file was generated on the drive
18.39.10 #       <wiler> i am using july10 version
18.39.28 #       <wiler> yeah i am
18.39.51 #       <BC> only thing I can think of, is if you powered it off before it had a chance to close the file?
18.40.30 #       <NeoBoy> Maybe you guys can help me - my recorder seems to completely discharge the batteries during the charge cycle, instead of charging them...
18.40.46 #       <NeoBoy> does this sound like anything common? I just used brand new batteries 
18.40.49 #       <wiler> well the only thing i am doing is stopping recording, then i am plugging into usb to move the file off
18.41.01 #       <BC> are you charging with Archos of Rockbox firmware?
18.41.27 #       <NeoBoy> I can't get rockbox firmware up because i can't get a full charge at this point :( I have archos 1.29d
18.41.33 #       <BC> wiler: sorry dude, not really my area :(
18.41.35 #       <wiler> and it seems i need to hit the poweroff button to stop recording
18.41.55 #       <wiler> ahhh okay
18.42.00 #       <BC> hitting and holding power off are two different things
18.42.19 #       <BC> i read this on the mailing list once
18.42.21 #       <wiler> right if i just touch poweroff recording stops
18.42.45 #       <BC> then wait until the hdd spins down to be on the (overly) safe side
18.43.08 #       <BC> wiler: if you can come up with a set of direction that will make my unit do the same thing we could be on to a winner
18.43.37 #       <BC> NeoBoy: if the archos f/w is draining the battery then it is not a rockbox problem
18.44.00 #       <BC> do you swap batteries often/
18.44.02 #       <BC> ?s
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18.44.15 #       <NeoBoy> You think it's the firmware? I think it may be something w/hardware, because I am unable to charge period
18.44.39 #       <NeoBoy> It sits at "charging" screen, and never charges fully.  When i take batteries out they are completely drained
18.45.10 #       <BC> no
18.45.18 #       <NeoBoy> is there anything you thinik i can look at?
18.45.42 #       <scott666> you could try an external charger
18.45.45 DBUG    Enqueued KICK BC
18.45.45 #       <BC> 01[17:44] <BC> do you swap batteries often?   ...why do people ask for help and then ignore the questions they are asked?
18.46.09 #       <NeoBoy> Sorry missed it, no this is first time I swapped batteries in 1.5 years
18.46.52 #       <NeoBoy> I don't have ext charger, but I don't think archos will take the beating from swapping batteries every day, the covers seem very fragile\
18.46.57 #       <BC> hmm, the spring (-) battery connector is JUST soldered on, but it should survive a nuber of changes before dying
18.47.05 #       <BC> have you connected a non-archos charger?
18.47.14 #       <NeoBoy> no only used archos charger
18.47.31 #       <BC> does the unit power up if it is OFF when you plug it in?
18.47.55 #       <NeoBoy> no
18.47.58 #       <NeoBoy> archos started up and was playing on the new batteries before i decided to charge them since the store said the weren't charged
18.48.13 #       <NeoBoy> It powers up on the adapter, but then goes into HD error
18.48.26 #       <BC> new batteries need several "cycles" to get them kick-started
18.48.34 #       <BC> do you have an external charger?
18.49.13 #       <NeoBoy> no i don't - but do you think it's the "cycles" issue? because archos charger seemed to drain then completely, stripping them of whatever little juice they had brand new
18.50.04 #       <BC> to be honest this is a new one on me, it's weird
18.50.07 #       <NeoBoy> rockbox site has a document about broken solder joints near the ends, but I don't know if this is it since my unit played befoe I started charging
18.50.24 #       <NeoBoy> and probably would still play if i inserted charged batts
18.51.13 #       <BC> you can pop the back off and check the solder joints?
18.52.07 #       <NeoBoy> Should I?  I may not have all the screwdrivers, but i will do it if there's nothing else to check
18.52.35 #       <BC> the unit ONLY runs off batteries
18.52.47 #       <BC> if ti powers with the mains, then the batteries must be in the circuit
18.52.55 #       <BC> why did you replace the batteries?
18.53.24 #       <NeoBoy> because they showed signs of being over used, like the lcd screen started flickering during playback and the unit would reboot
18.53.43 #       <scott666> after being charged for how long?
18.53.51 #       <BC> were they holding a charge better than the new ones?
18.54.20 #       <NeoBoy> the new ones never got charged
18.54.21 #       <NeoBoy> I tried the second pair of archos batteries, charging process discharged them completely.  I thought that's because they weren't used for 1.5 years, so i went out and got a new set, same thing happened
18.55.14 DBUG    Enqueued KICK scott666
18.55.14 #       <scott666> 10<scott666> 00after being charged for how long? 01
18.55.16 #       <NeoBoy> i left the charger on for 13 hours. it never shoewed "fully charged" so i stopped and try to power on the unit.  turned out the batteries drained completely
18.55.36 #       <scott666> oops...good thing logbot isnt an op
18.55.53 #       <scott666> was deep discharge on?
18.56.06 #       <NeoBoy> scott it's archos firmware 1.29d
18.56.13 #       <scott666> ahh
18.56.27 #       <NeoBoy> i can't switch it to anything else until i get some power
18.56.43 #       <BC> "fully charged" is only displayed for a few minutes until the unit drains enough with the light to start charging again ....you have to be looking at the right time to see it (bad huh?)
18.56.47 #       <scott666> id say get an external charger
18.57.03 #       <scott666> if that works you know somethings wrong with the charging circuit
18.57.09 #       <NeoBoy> BC yeah i know... that's why I stopped at 13h
18.57.22 #       <NeoBoy> BC if the joints were broken, woudl the unit still run on fresh batteries?
18.57.47 #       <BC> fresh batteries are NOT  a good test
18.57.58 #       <BC> fresh batteries need conditioning
18.58.12 #       <BC> 3x full charge/full drain
18.58.43 #       <NeoBoy> but the SOBs don't get charged , they get drained :(
18.59.10 #       <NeoBoy> I opened compartments, no evidence of extra heat or burned contacts or anything
18.59.35 #       <NeoBoy> Does the brand of NIMHs matter for archos charger?
19.00.18 #       <scott666> no
19.01.07 #       <BC> try the old batteries, I know it is not a long-term fix, but it may help work out what is happening
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19.01.17 #       <BC> be gentle swapping bateries
19.02.05 #       <NeoBoy> ok i am gonna give it a try. at least i know it was working before, although playback was bad.  at least if they charge, i will know it's not the charging unit
19.03.01 #       <BC> if the solder is broken, it may not be obvious to the untrained eye - what you are looking for is a hairline crack where the solder thouches the board (iirc)
19.03.40 #       <NeoBoy> but wouldnt this break the circuit so there's no power even on fresh cells?
19.04.03 #       <BC> it may may the circuit weak, and tempramental until it goes completely
19.05.30 #       <NeoBoy> I see. the new batteries i am trying now are 2000mah from radio shack.  i was told they are standard NiMH cells, could it be however that they are made to work with a specific charger, or is it unlikely?
19.06.28 #       <BC> no, nimh is nimh
19.06.36 #       <BC> 01[17:59] <NeoBoy> Does the brand of NIMHs matter for archos charger?
19.06.36 #       <BC> [18:00] <scott666> no
19.07.23 #       <NeoBoy> Okay guys, that's very much for your help :)
19.07.49 #       <NeoBoy> I am gonna try to get the tools and see if i can spot anything with the solder joints
19.08.20 #       <NeoBoy> hopefully the archos will revive somehow
19.08.35 #       <NeoBoy> "that's very much" - thanks very much
19.09.06 #       <BC> please come back with more Q's or you findings :)
19.09.10 #       <scott666> yeah
19.09.33 #       <BC> http://www.jrgach.com/pictures/keyboard.jpg
19.09.43 #       <BC> LMAO
19.09.53 #       <NeoBoy> will do
19.09.53 #       <NeoBoy> laters
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19.15.26 #       <scott666> BC: lol
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19.16.05 #       * scott666 is learning CVS
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19.18.15 #       <BC> did you read the cvs doc on the cyborg systems page?
19.18.31 #       <BC> you'll laugh, I sound like a real idiot in it :)
19.18.55 #       <scott666> yeah, i did
19.19.11 #       <BC> i have some bash scripts to do it for you if you like
19.20.51 #       <scott666> there was a t-shirt contest?
19.20.56 #       <scott666> lol
19.21.08 #       <scott666> i made the mistake of getting rockbox-all
19.21.25 #       <scott666> theres all kinds of weird stuff in the www section
19.21.44 #       <BC> you need rockbox-devel and fonts
19.26.34 #       <BC> t-shirt - LOL
19.31.13 #       <dstar5> i submitted a tshirt in that contest...
19.31.19 #       <dstar5> mine sucked though      lol
19.31.23 #       <dstar5> i think it got one vote
19.31.28 #       <BC> lol
19.31.52 #       <dstar5> i wish i knew about photoshop that time
19.31.57 #       <dstar5> i think i made it in paint
19.31.58 #       <dstar5> lol
19.33.20 #       <scott666> which ones yours?
19.33.34 #       <dstar5> i think it was the first one submited
19.33.54 #       <scott666> http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html
19.34.35 #       <dstar5> (1)  	Lee Pilgrim
19.34.37 #       <dstar5> thatsme
19.34.45 #       <dstar5> crapy huh?
19.34.51 #       <scott666> yeah
19.34.52 #       <scott666> lol
19.35.03 #       <scott666> 'bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox'?
19.35.05 #       <scott666> wow
19.35.16 #       <dstar5> heh  that was so long ago....
19.35.23 #       <dstar5> i forgot it used to be that
19.35.59 #       <BC> my god dude ..that's awful - LOL :)
19.36.20 #       <dstar5> i think the adress changed right about then
19.36.35 Nick    midknight2k3 is now known as midk (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com)
19.36.48 #       <dstar5> my fave was (15)  	Magnus Öman
19.38.01 #       <dstar5> 18 also by Magnus was good
19.38.03 #       <scott666> 18 is good too
19.38.06 #       <scott666> yeah
19.38.06 #       <scott666> lol
19.38.14 #       <midk> HAHA dids
19.38.15 #       <dstar5> i wonder where Magnus is...      i have not seen him in forever
19.38.19 #       <midk> your text isn't aligned
19.38.32 #       <BC> 5 is the clear winner imho
19.39.04 #       <dstar5> BC: http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/winner/
19.39.25 #       <dstar5> i wanted a t-shiort, but they never made enough to sell
19.39.50 #       <BC> weird
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19.41.25 #       <scott666> midk: whatever happened to the redzone
19.41.39 Nick    BC is now known as BC|feeding (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
19.41.39 DBUG    Enqueued KICK BC|feeding
19.41.44 #       <midk> hmm whuh... i worked on it a bit and ended up with a menu for configuration but
19.41.55 #       <midk> LOL feeding hahaa that always gets me
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19.58.41 #       <dstar5> goodbye
19.58.52 #       <dstar5> see you midk and BC|feeding
19.59.02 #       <midk> later
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19.59.52 #       <midk> i almost got a high score
19.59.54 #       <midk> oops
20.15.32 #       <scott666> midk: what happened to the f2 screen?
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20.15.40 #       <scott666> that was a good patch
20.15.47 #       <midk> mm?
20.15.58 #       <scott666> the thing that combined f2 and f3
20.15.58 #       <midk> oh, dunno
20.16.11 #       <midk> yah, *shrugs
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21.45.03 #       <lImbus> BC|feeding, still doing so ? do you live on a farm or what ?
21.45.14 #       <midk> haha
21.45.30 #       <midk> he's been idle for 30 minutes..
21.45.50 #       <lImbus> his nickchange was 2 hours ago
21.45.56 #       <midk> right..
21.45.59 #       <Kaboofa> har har.
21.45.59 #       <midk> so he's been around lately.
21.46.07 #       <midk> kaboofe..a!
21.46.21 #       <Kaboofa> i know this is a stupid question, but is there any sprintf implementation since i last asked?
21.46.24 #       <Kaboofa> sup midk?
21.46.35 #       <midk> Kaboofa, we have snprintf..
21.46.38 #       <midk> why do you need sprintf?
21.46.50 #       <Kaboofa> what's the difference between snprintf and sprintf?
21.46.56 #       <Kaboofa> i'm making a calculator program.
21.47.03 #       <Kaboofa> well, going to continue work on my old one
21.47.16 #       <Kaboofa> except i'm going to make it into Reverse polish notation.
21.47.19 #       <Kaboofa> :)
21.47.22 #       <Kaboofa> Because RPN kicks ass.
21.47.23 #       <midk> ...lol
21.47.24 #       <midk> plugin?
21.47.27 #       <Kaboofa> yeah
21.47.30 #       <midk> cool
21.47.33 #       <midk> but snprintf is better.
21.47.39 #       <Kaboofa> ok, so snprintf works?
21.47.54 #       <Kaboofa> i need float->string
21.47.57 #       <Kaboofa> or char
21.48.00 #       <lImbus> Kaboofa, snprintf has one argument more to limitate buffer write length
21.48.02 #       <Kaboofa> whatever floats your boat.
21.48.05 #       <Kaboofa> nice.
21.48.27 #       <lImbus> but pay attention: if you write the max to your buffer, the terminating 0 is missing.
21.48.35 #       <Kaboofa> roger that.
21.48.50 #       <Kaboofa> hmm
21.48.55 #       <lImbus> so either ALWAYS snprintf(buffer, (sizeof buffer)-1, ...)
21.49.04 #       <Kaboofa> ok
21.49.07 #       <Kaboofa> thanks.
21.49.11 Nick    Kaboofa is now known as boofCodes (~kaboofa@dsl092-066-005.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
21.49.16 #       <boofCodes> we shall have RPN!
21.49.18 #       <lImbus> with fully zeroed buffer indeed
21.49.25 #       <midk> YAY
21.49.38 #       <boofCodes> i'm going to store my stack in an array.
21.49.41 #       <boofCodes> bbl.
21.49.51 #       <lImbus> or either ALWAYS buffer[(sizeof buffer)-1] = 0; AFTER your snprintf
21.50.24 #       <lImbus> iirc, snprintf returns the count of chars written, so it's pretty easy to write your own "snprintfSave()"
21.50.29 #       <lImbus> I did several times
21.52.29 #       <lImbus> midk, with which sdk do you develop rockbox ?
21.52.41 #       <midk> i use a full cygwin
21.54.08 #       <oxygen77> what about your mdk10 ?
21.54.19 #       <midk> i am not on mdk10 at the moment
21.54.25 #       <oxygen77> k
21.54.26 #       <midk> i don't recall being able to compile on mandrake either
21.54.28 #       <lImbus> on windows, in a standard cmd-shell ?
21.54.39 #       <midk> lImbus, cygwin..
21.54.42 #       <oxygen77> yeah I  know you're on yeti :)
21.54.45 #       <midk> like a cmd shell yes
21.58.06 #       <lImbus> midk, with cygwin, you are most probably using the bash. are you starting it from cmd or another (better) shell ?
21.58.25 #       <midk> i use a BASH prompt, yes
21.58.40 #       <midk> just run cygwin.bat - which is like running it from cmd
21.58.53 #       <lImbus> I start the bash from a 4NT-shell
21.59.15 #       <lImbus> this allows you to resize the window and to copy and paste with the usual keytrokes for example
21.59.23 #       <boofCodes> FUCK
21.59.26 #       <boofCodes> my old code is gone.
21.59.28 #       <boofCodes> time to start anew
22.00.14 #       <midk> aww wtf.
22.00.19 #       <midk> hmm
22.00.23 #       <midk> lImbus, i'll check that out
22.00.25 #       <midk> thanks
22.00.26 #       <boofCodes> found it on tape.
22.00.27 #       <boofCodes> yay.
22.00.31 #       <midk> tape?
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22.00.33 #       <midk> tape drive?
22.00.34 #       <boofCodes> are you guys SURE snprintf works on rockbox now?
22.00.37 #       <boofCodes> midk: yeah
22.00.41 #       <midk> yes
22.00.45 #       <midk> rb->snprintf
22.00.46 #       <boofCodes> because when i was writing my version it only worked on the uisim
22.00.49 #       <boofCodes> ok
22.00.55 #       <midk> but WAIT
22.00.56 #       <boofCodes> i guess i need to update my dsk
22.00.58 #       <boofCodes> *sdk
22.01.00 #       <midk> one more thing...
22.01.01 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22.01.01 #       * boofCodes waiting
22.01.14 #       <midk> i think you need to add two more to your buffer than you actually use...
22.01.26 #       <lImbus> I am not sure about s(n)printf, never used in rockbox
22.01.33 #       <midk> if your snprintf is 4 long, make it 6.. amiconn did something to the function
22.01.54 #       <midk> char x[6]; rb->snprintf(x, 6, "4444");
22.02.25 #       <boofCodes> rgr that.
22.02.36 #       <midk> yaya.
22.02.42 #       <midk> if you are unsure of usage check midk's clock,
22.02.45 #       <midk> it's all new.
22.02.58 #       <midk> i have answers if you have questions!
22.03.03 #       <midk> *hopes bc doesn't return soon
22.03.04 #       <midk> lol
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22.03.42 #       <lImbus> doesn't ?
22.03.46 #       <lImbus> don't get that
22.03.53 #       <midk> he'll be like
22.03.54 #       <midk> MIDK IS WRONG
22.03.58 #       <boofCodes> static void ghetto_sprintf(double d, char *buff)
22.03.58 #       <boofCodes> heh
22.03.59 #       <midk> he'll bust my scam
22.04.16 #       <midk> LOL
22.04.16 #       <midk> you mean ghetto_snprintf
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22.04.16 #       <midk> oh, wait
22.04.16 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midk
22.04.16 #       <midk> never mind
22.04.20 #       <midk> you're trying to imitate sprintf?
22.04.21 #       <boofCodes> midk: i was implementing it before it was included.
22.04.30 #       <boofCodes> now snprintf works, i'll just use that.
22.04.36 #       <midk> aww
22.05.44 #       <boofCodes> ok
22.05.52 #       <boofCodes> i need to make an array holding the stack stuff.
22.05.56 #       <boofCodes> then i need to idsplay it
22.05.57 #       <boofCodes> ok
22.05.58 #       <boofCodes> sorry
22.06.00 #       <midk> hmm
22.06.04 #       <midk> okay
22.06.04 #       <midk> yay
22.06.49 #       <boofCodes> you guys have seen rpn, right?
22.07.27 #       <midk> *stares
22.07.31 #       <midk> okay then back to 3ds
22.07.35 #       <lImbus> yes. reverse polish notation
22.07.43 #       <boofCodes> +60pts for lImbus 
22.08.25 #       <midk> WTF
22.08.28 #       <midk> you just said it a few lines ago
22.08.43 #       <midk> <Kaboofa> except i'm going to make it into Reverse polish notation.
22.08.50 #       <midk> i could have had those 60 points
22.09.21 #       <lImbus> ok, I'll share 30
22.10.00 #       <midk> YAY
22.10.02 #       <midk> no, share 45
22.10.11 #       <lImbus> lol
22.10.41 #       <midk> just give me it all
22.10.43 #       <boofCodes> i mean
22.10.48 #       <midk> *takes lImbus' 60 points
22.10.49 #       <boofCodes> as in, you know how to use it
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22.10.53 #       * boofCodes sets midk on fore
22.10.58 #       <boofCodes> you burn. the flames are justice.
22.11.08 #       <midk> they are not
22.11.12 #       <boofCodes> yes they are!
22.11.28 #       <lImbus> let's solve your problem, boofCodes
22.11.52 #       <midk> okay!
22.11.57 #       * midk sets boofCodes on fire
22.12.08 #       <midk> hmm.. what do i say again?
22.12.17 #       <midk> you're on fire. that's justice.
22.13.04 #       * scott666 wonders what the hell Reverse Polish Notation is
22.13.35 #       <midk> scottye
22.14.12 #       <midk> did you want me to revive my patch
22.14.23 #       <lImbus> scott666: (2, 4, +) = 6
22.15.11 #       <midk> that's dumb
22.15.13 #       <midk> LET ME TRY
22.15.19 #       <midk> (%, 2, +) = 7
22.15.23 #       <midk> 5, 2, +*
22.15.40 #       <boofCodes> 5,5,+ == 10
22.15.53 #       <boofCodes> scott666: did that help at all?
22.15.59 #       <boofCodes> it's a 'better' way to enter numbers
22.16.03 #       <boofCodes> so you don't need parenthasees
22.16.06 #       <midk> no, it's shitty
22.16.09 #       <midk> what if you need to put in
22.16.11 #       <midk> 50, 6, +
22.16.13 #       <midk> YOU CANT
22.16.18 #       <boofCodes> .. yes you can
22.16.19 #       <boofCodes> you get 56
22.16.25 #       <boofCodes> moron.
22.16.35 #       <boofCodes> well, you can on a hp49g+
22.16.51 #       <midk> STFU MORON
22.17.43 #       <boofCodes> eat babies!
22.17.50 #       <boofCodes> code better than human interaction.
22.18.07 #       <midk> eat babies?
22.18.16 #       <boofCodes> code better than human interaction!
22.18.40 #       <midk> whatever.
22.19.09 #       <scott666> can you do something like 2*5+3 == 13?
22.19.26 #       <lImbus> 2,5,*,3,+
22.19.27 #       <boofCodes> 2,5,*,3,+
22.19.31 #       <lImbus> yay
22.20.05 #       <scott666> how is 2,5,* better than 2,*,5?
22.21.01 #       <midk> it's annoyign
22.21.03 #       <midk> annoying*
22.21.07 #       <scott666> youre annoying
22.25.09 #       <lImbus> scott666, you don't need to type the parathesis for example. furthermore, it's easy to porgram: all stack based. I believe there is an exercise in kerningham and richie
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22.26.39 #       <scott666> so it ignores order of operations then?
22.27.51 #       <scott666> 3,5,+,2,* != 3+5*2 ?
22.29.04 #       <lImbus> right. in that case you
22.29.06 #       <lImbus> errr...
22.29.11 #       <lImbus> boofCodes: HELP
22.29.16 #       <lImbus> what in that case ?
22.29.35 #       <lImbus> I think you should swap it, so it fits better in your mind too.
22.29.55 #       <midk> 5,2,*,3,+
22.29.56 #       <midk> ?
22.30.47 #       <lImbus> wait, in that example there above, it's (3+5)*2, right ?
22.31.05 #       <midk> 5*2+3..
22.31.14 #       <scott666> for the RPN one
22.31.20 #       <lImbus> so you type 3,5,+,2,* and it's fully ok
22.31.35 #       <lImbus> midk, then 5,2,*,3,ü
22.31.41 #       <lImbus> ü=+
22.31.59 #       <scott666> 3,5,+,2,* = 16?
22.32.12 #       <scott666> 3+5*2 = 13
22.32.56 #       <lImbus> yes, that's it. for the last example, YOU have to swap it, because if you would calculate that in mind, you would do either
22.33.27 #       <midk> screw this polish... notation whatever
22.33.29 #       <lImbus> 3+5*2 == 5*2+5
22.33.34 #       <midk> it's boring
22.33.43 #       <lImbus> midk, it's not at all.
22.34.35 #       <lImbus> it's even helpful sometimes. you math prof must be a noob he was not able to learn you the benefit
22.34.57 #       <scott666> noe of my math teachers have even mentioned it
22.35.00 #       <scott666> *none
22.35.32 #       <lImbus> bad
22.35.40 #       <scott666> maybe it has something to do with our relative distances to poland?
22.36.22 #       * scott666 is in the US
22.36.34 #       * midk is in the.. scott place
22.37.06 #       <boofCodes> scott666: if you're an engineer and you like asm programming you're likely to use it.
22.37.09 #       <midk> yay, boofCodes is back.
22.37.26 #       <boofCodes> yeah
22.37.29 #       <boofCodes> back from poopin.
22.37.33 #       <midk> um
22.37.34 #       <boofCodes> and reading battle royal.
22.37.36 #       <midk> *runs away
22.37.37 #       <boofCodes> *royale
22.38.13 #       <scott666> well as im not an engineer and ive never used asm...
22.39.01 #       <scott666> i remember reading something once that argued assembly should be kept around solely for the possibility of the file name 'org.asm'
22.39.33 #       <lImbus> pfff
22.39.35 #       <midk> *taps teeth
22.43.52 #       * boofCodes codes.
22.44.06 #       <midk> YAY
22.44.20 #       <midk> hmm, why aren't you 'beefcodes'
22.44.49 #       * lImbus wonders why he's not able to compile his rockbox anymore with BC|feeding's new devkit. ../apps/plugin.h:49:21: widgets.h: No such file or directory
22.45.18 #       <midk> FAHAHAHA
22.45.22 #       <midk> check for apps/recorder/widgets.h
22.45.24 #       <midk> .
22.45.29 #       <lImbus> it is there
22.45.43 #       <midk> hmm, DIE DIE DIE 
22.45.48 #       <midk> ..compiler.
22.45.50 #       <lImbus> who, I ?
22.45.53 #       <lImbus> ah, ok
22.45.57 #       <midk> i just said, compiler.
22.45.58 #       <midk> :D
22.46.18 #       <midk> we all love lImbus 
22.46.40 #       <lImbus> yup, I wasn't fast enough predicting what you were typing
22.46.49 #       <midk> lol
22.46.52 #       <midk> but we all still love lImbus 
22.47.04 #       * lImbus feels better
22.47.56 #       <midk> wooya
22.48.13 #       <scott666> so do you have apps/recorder/widgets.h?
22.50.08 #       <midk> i just said that scott
22.50.12 #       <midk> keep up sir.
22.50.38 #       <scott666> i know you did
22.50.42 #       <scott666> he didnt answer
22.50.59 #       <midk> <lImbus> it is there
22.52.37 #       <boofCodes> hmmm
22.52.47 #       <boofCodes> i need to find the latest win32 sdk before i can compile
22.52.48 #       <boofCodes> damn
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22.55.20 #       <scott666> boofCodes: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Win32_DevKit/RockBox-DevKit_v302.exe
22.57.08 #       <boofCodes> ty scott666
22.57.51 #       <lImbus> sorry, was afk, am back now, scott666
22.58.36 #       <lImbus> boofCodes, if this compiles with current cvs-checkout, I do something wrong
22.59.58 #       <dstar5> humm BC made some changes to .bachrc and etc to make it where you can just press like  f3 to configure, and then f5 to build
23.00.04 #       <dstar5> it was very simple and easy
23.00.20 #       <dstar5> he should put those in the devkit
23.00.55 #       <boofCodes> alias corb="/rockbox/path/configure"
23.01.04 #       <scott666> hes working on a new release iirc
23.01.15 #       <boofCodes> alias comprb="make /rockbox/path/make"
23.01.18 #       <boofCodes> :)
23.01.25 #       <boofCodes> i hate cvs...
23.01.28 #       <boofCodes> so i'll code this first
23.01.30 #       <boofCodes> then install everything
23.02.19 #       <lImbus> dstar5, it's not that I don't know how to type "make" I try (and I try hard :) but it wont compile that plugin.h
23.04.37 #       <boofCodes> i need to modify my makefile to include rpncalc.c :(
23.05.02 #       <boofCodes> i don't compile on unix-like environments too often.
23.05.08 #       <boofCodes> because i hate gcc with a fucking passion
23.05.09 #       <lImbus> not needed.
23.05.25 #       <scott666> lImbus: <scott666> so do you have apps/recorder/widgets.h? 
23.05.26 #       <boofCodes> it just goes 'whee! new plugin detected' and compiles?
23.05.35 #       <lImbus> if your rpncalc.c is within /apps/plugins, it will be compiled automagically
23.06.06 #       <lImbus> scott666, yes, I have
23.06.26 #       <lImbus> and it looks pretty good, not a not compileable mess I first thought
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23.11.04 #       <lImbus> @all: my problem is pretty well my own problem
23.11.15 #       * lImbus under shame
23.11.15 #       <boofCodes> any of you have feature requests?
23.12.21 #       <lImbus> midk: forget what I told about 4NT, the cmd-shell and the clipboard: it's all possible if you activate it...
23.15.05 Part    oxygen77 ("Cho")
23.17.15 #       <scott666> boofCodes: in the dir browser, make the function of 'play' changable to 'insert'
23.18.34 #       <lImbus> default "enque" instead of discarding the old playlist. yeah, I changed that on winamp too.
23.18.57 #       <boofCodes> bastards
23.19.00 #       <boofCodes> i mean for calculator
23.19.11 #       <boofCodes> ;)
23.19.56 #       <lImbus> hehe, I was not sure, but then scotty cam up with that brilliant idea
23.20.02 #       <lImbus> *came
23.20.20 #       <boofCodes> we have...
23.20.22 #       <boofCodes> square roots
23.20.24 #       <boofCodes> trig function
23.20.34 #       <boofCodes> and base conversions
23.20.36 #       <boofCodes> for requests
23.21.12 #       <boofCodes> sigh, i need a better ide.
23.21.59 #       <scott666> do we have y^x?
23.22.05 #       <boofCodes> no
23.22.08 #       <boofCodes> good idea
23.22.10 #       <scott666> (y,x,^)
23.23.14 #       <lImbus> are the main functions (+-*/) easier to access/type than all those overkill (trig, base, power) unlike in the current calculator.c ?
23.24.12 #       <lImbus> I miss half of my calculations because of that.
23.32.35 Nick    midk is now known as midkizzt0r (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com)
23.32.35 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midkizzt0r
23.34.24 #       <boofCodes> eh?
23.34.29 #       <boofCodes> i havn't updtaed in a long time
23.34.40 #       <boofCodes> i have +,-,*,/
23.34.49 #       <boofCodes> and yes, it's easier to get to then the trig stuff
23.35.05 #       <boofCodes> you have to press right more times.
23.35.12 #       <lImbus> in the calculator.c you have one hardware.key (I think f2) for those all, you have to toggle trough
23.36.57 #       <boofCodes> i havn't seen calculator.c ;(
23.37.05 #       <boofCodes> you have left and right
23.37.07 #       <boofCodes> and play
23.37.23 #       <boofCodes> then if you want to hit the 'advanced' functions you tap f2
23.37.55 #       <lImbus> ah yes.
23.37.55 #       <boofCodes> if you want to clear, you press up, to push the stack you press down
23.38.11 #       <lImbus> how do I enter "5" ?
23.38.18 #       <boofCodes> left x4
23.38.23 #       <boofCodes> assuming you started from 0
23.38.27 #       <boofCodes> play
23.38.46 #       <lImbus> ah, ok.
23.39.14 #       <lImbus> I found the way calculator.c uses to enter numbers pretty much convenient
23.39.53 #       <boofCodes> again, i havn't seen it yet
23.39.55 #       <boofCodes> i'm on sdk 2.2
23.39.58 #       <boofCodes> or, rockbox 2k2
23.40.00 #       <boofCodes> *2.2
23.40.42 #       <boofCodes> someone requested multiple memories on the mailing list a while back
23.40.46 #       <boofCodes> NOW YOU HAVE SIX OF THEM!!!
23.40.50 #       <boofCodes> and they can be easily added
23.40.58 #       <boofCodes> 6 was an arbitrary number i picked.
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23.44.21 #       <Strath> yo
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23.53.30 #       <boofCodes> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156931778X/ref=pd_sxp_f/103-3697311-8991046?v=glance&s=books
23.53.33 #       <boofCodes> :)