--- Log for 27.07.104 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 8 days and 7 hours ago 00.00.06 # yes 00.00.06 # i was searching for cure 00.00.10 # okay 00.00.24 # how big is the playlist? 00.00.55 # LinusN: I found a module where the size difference is quite significant (>15 %) - rolo.c. I'll look into the disassembly now 00.02.34 # you mean how many songs.... or what? 00.02.58 # yes 00.03.09 # i dont know.... 00.04.20 # did it ever stop searching? 00.04.25 # no 00.04.31 # the led blinks? 00.04.49 # i think do 00.04.49 # so 00.05.10 # it would be really helpful if you sent me the .m3u file 00.05.20 # ok 00.05.25 Quit zeekoe ("aAA44AArrgGGHhh... my computer just did something _really_ REALLY wrong... cu later") 00.05.30 # linus at haxx dot se 00.06.36 Join zeekoe [0] (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 00.06.56 # ZXEEEKERY. 00.06.58 # pressed the close button... 00.07.04 # midknight! 00.09.45 # hm... converting videos takes quite some time 00.10.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.16.20 # btw, is it normal i get "scanlines" while displaying rvf? 00.16.47 # LinusN: rolo.c is really an interesting case. The biggest function in that (rolo_load() ) does a number of checks which all result in similar action (display some error text, the return from the function with -1). 00.17.45 # LinusN: Gcc 3.3.1 optimizes that in a way that all rolo_error("blabla"); return -1; sequences are handled by the same code fragment, while gcc 3.4.1 does not. 00.17.57 Quit zeekoe ("aAA44AArrgGGHhh... my computer just did something _really_ REALLY wrong... cu later") 00.18.44 Join zeekoe [0] (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 00.19.01 # It seems that either gcc 3.4.1 doesn't understand an optimization flag anymore that was understood by gcc 3.3.1, it interprets some flag differently, or it doesn't optimize as much by itself 00.19.36 # aha 00.20.41 # Now we "only" have to find out which of these possible reasons is the correct one :-/ 00.21.31 # Imho gcc 3.3.1 uses a real clever optimization here, as this even doesn't hit performance 00.31.58 # There aren't many optimization flags used by rockbox... 00.36.28 # -fthread-jumps looks interesting 00.37.08 # -funit-at-a-time (or using -O2) does look interesting as well 00.46.33 Join dstar5 [0] (lee@IC104.library.oregonstate.edu) 00.49.03 # whoops... battery life is <2 hours when continually using hard disk, i guess 00.50.06 # don't doubt... 00.50.13 # plug, it, in. 00.50.44 # i dont have an inplug 00.51.06 # wtf? 00.51.21 # the guy i bought it from had thrown away the adapter, since it was of no use anyway 00.52.19 # LinusN: Just trying to compile binutil 2.15 and gcc 3.4.1 on cygwin - is it normal that compiling binutils throws some warnings? 00.52.21 # i still have to find myself a plug that fits into the archos 00.54.19 # dstar5: you had to tell me about some guy 00.54.41 # off-topic: anyone knows the syntax for the unix AT command ? 00.54.42 # i did? 00.55.00 # zeekoe, what guy? 00.55.02 # dstar5: his name was in the rockbox-trivia, and started with a t, iirc 00.55.25 # ahh track 00.55.26 # lol 00.55.29 # yeah 00.55.38 # LinusN can tell you all about him :) 00.57.22 # i already found some reading matter :) 00.57.24 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20031014.txt 00.57.53 # i bet there is lots of nice reading on him 00.57.54 # lol 00.58.06 # ill find some of his work... hol don 00.58.22 # amiconn: yes, warnings are common 00.59.00 # was track worse than me? 01.00.01 # lol much worse 01.00.11 # LinusN, still have that letter track sent you? 01.01.25 # haha 01.01.28 # AHAHA. 01.01.44 # humm has tracks feature requests been totaly deleted? 01.02.08 # sdd 01.03.05 # what did he request? 01.03.13 # stupid stuff. 01.03.18 # "make the lcd touchscreen" 01.03.22 # "sdd asdf" 01.03.28 # tea maker.. sdd.. make mike holden shut up... 01.03.30 # "make the archos into a tea maker" 01.03.42 # ..... 01.03.49 # what's ssd asdf? 01.03.50 # LinusN: While building binutils: 01.03.51 # configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up 01.03.51 # make: *** [configure-ld] Error 1 01.03.54 # :-( 01.03.54 # uh, random text. 01.03.56 # " but where do you source the 9.5mm drives from?" 01.04.29 # here you go, zeekoe. 01.04.29 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20040119.txt 01.04.37 # amiconn, you need bison i think 01.05.02 # what's the irc nick of mike holden? 01.06.31 # mikeholden. 01.06.54 # ok.. think i never seen him around here 01.07.58 # no, but ever since he replied to track's idiotic requests saying it was a bit unfeasible track's been after him 01.08.12 # :) 01.08.39 # it was funny to! 01.09.34 # * zeekoe reading... 01.11.29 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=689196&group_id=44306&atid=439121 01.12.03 Quit Tunsnask () 01.12.28 # haha, that one's good 01.13.04 # remember mikeh0lden :) 01.13.12 # that just wasn't funny. 01.13.15 # what's that? 01.13.26 # sdf? 01.13.44 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44306&atid=439121&func=detail&aid=855975 01.13.47 # RANDOM TEXT. 01.14.23 # thats the best one 01.14.32 # i submitted that. 01.14.42 # but that's the one with the mikeh0lden reply 01.14.54 # :-| 01.14.55 # and i'd like to point out that it's about my only bogus request. 01.15.01 # heh 01.15.04 # he made me. 01.15.07 # it was his idea 01.15.08 # * midk points 01.15.11 # you evil midk 01.15.16 # die zeeker. 01.15.46 # oh no.... 01.15.49 # degauss.... 01.15.59 # i want that too 01.16.20 # i could probably code it actually 01.16.26 # but no point. 01.17.14 # using a sine table you could also probably do pincushion rather easily. 01.17.31 # what does pincushion do? 01.18.03 # never mind 01.18.04 # squeezes in at the center, pushes out at the top and bottom 01.18.05 # try it 01.18.07 # google told me 01.18.37 # i cant try 01.18.54 # at least, i think i cant 01.19.31 # * zeekoe having laptop 01.20.10 # HAHA. 01.20.37 # I R t3H HAVEING A LAPTOP~!!!1. HR U DO TH 'PinhCUSIN"!? 01.21.59 # 4nd h0W 4B0uT d3g4Us5? 01.22.43 # lcd's have no degauss :( 01.22.51 # U R 3h TSUPID!1`1 DEUGAA WTF 4 LUZDERS HI HUNY 01.23.11 # midk, stfu 01.23.25 # what's HUNY? 01.23.41 # honey. 01.23.48 # hm 01.23.49 # okay... 01.23.52 # DSTR5 RU GIRL 01.24.41 # midk, what is your porblem? 01.24.53 # to retarded to speak? 01.24.56 # http://www.1337.org.uk/ 01.25.52 # or this translator: http://www.ijsqueen.com/vertaler/ 01.26.43 # i know what it is... 01.26.56 # not that i am stuiped and have taken the time to read all that shit 01.27.10 # :P 01.28.52 # midk: do you still have track's message? 01.29.00 # he didn't send me one. 01.29.27 # he sent me the same type thing 01.29.33 # uh 01.29.34 # :D 01.29.39 # i deleted it? 01.29.47 # ok 01.29.49 # nah 01.30.02 # that were just some words needing not to be repeated 01.30.22 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20040119.txt ->22.38.44 01.30.59 # yup./ 01.31.09 # i was going to say to you when i pasted, check that exact time 01.31.10 # but. yeah. 01.33.10 # ok 01.35.29 Nick zeekoe is now known as track_ (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 01.35.42 # who saw my photoshop skills 01.35.52 # i didnt 01.35.53 # show me 01.36.51 # i did some stuff too 01.37.03 # http://www.tred.net/plaatjes/ 01.37.15 # hm, my best one 01.37.20 # was 01.37.25 # original image: http://www.geocities.com/midknight2k3/tallbldg.jpg 01.37.31 # what i came up with: http://www.geocities.com/midknight2k3/building-fall-6.jpg 01.37.36 # ohh no not his stuiped pics 01.37.54 # i am so "stuiped" 01.37.57 # :( 01.37.59 # cool 01.38.47 # well they do get old... 01.38.54 # to you 01.38.56 # he's never seen them. 01.39.13 Nick track_ is now known as zeekoe (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 01.39.16 # thanks for showing me the correct spelling of "stupid" - i know my english isn't very good. 01.39.56 # there are more people who say stuiped: http://www.google.com/search?q=stuiped 01.40.49 # but apparently even more who spell it "stupid" 01.40.52 # what idiots. 01.41.31 # go dids. 01.41.32 # http://www.google.com/search?q=stuiped+site%3Arockbox.haxx.se&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1 01.42.06 # me feel special 01.42.45 # no, "i feel special" 01.43.01 # lesson one: first person isn't third person. 01.43.19 # time to sleep, cu around guys 01.43.23 # later linus 01.43.24 # bye 01.43.27 Part LinusN 01.43.38 # midk, stop being a little dick. 01.43.57 # ...are you implying i should be a big dick instead? 01.44.38 # bye. 01.44.39 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 01.44.54 # hm, he's a bit to sensitive 01.45.11 # too* 01.45.15 # Grmpf, building binutils takes ages 01.45.44 Join dstar5 [0] (~lee@IC104.library.oregonstate.edu) 01.45.45 # 01.44.54 # hm, he's a bit to sensitive 01.45.46 # 01.45.11 # too* 01.45.48 # ahah! 01.45.53 # you messed up. 01.45.59 # i had to run and grab the phone 01.46.03 Quit dstar5 (Client Quit) 01.46.10 # hm, nice. 01.46.31 # midk: your clock is wrong 01.46.38 # zeekoe, probably. 01.46.43 # zeekoe, i'm working on it. 01.46.49 # amiconn: your clock is wrong too 01.46.54 # no, the computer clock 01.47.00 # zeekoe: huh? 01.47.14 # zeekoe, ? 01.47.24 # amiconn: your computer clock is 9 seconds in the future 01.47.36 # midk: your computer clock is 43 seconds in the future 01.47.46 # .. good one. 01.47.50 # ? 01.48.13 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.48.14 Quit midk_ (Client Quit) 01.48.30 # haha... 01.48.31 # DIE DIE DIE 01.48.31 # 01.10.47 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.49.37 # ? 01.50.11 # i have my time synced every 15 minutes 01.50.24 # i'll do a feature request for rockbox 01.50.43 # i've got to get off irc for a while. 01.52.20 # ok 01.52.22 # night 01.52.36 # nite? 01.52.44 # zeekoe: By default windows does it once a week, which is a bit long an interval of course. Imho doing it once or twice a day should yield sufficient precisions 01.52.59 # *precision 01.54.54 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7F89B.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.55.15 # amiconn_: can windows do it too? 01.56.14 # yup 01.56.20 # (at least XP) 01.56.28 # ok 01.56.36 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 01.56.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7F89B.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.56.56 # i'm using some other program which does it every 15 minutes :) 01.58.49 Quit midk ("Leaving") 02.00.40 # hm 02.00.47 # i think i'm going to sleep to 02.00.48 Quit mecraw___ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 02.00.50 # +o 02.01.02 # have to work 10 hours from now 02.01.04 # bye 02.04.40 # Just changed the synchronization interval to 12 hours 02.04.46 # nite zeekoe 02.10.04 # nite 02.10.13 Quit zeekoe ("quit...") 02.10.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.07.49 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 03.36.17 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 03.36.20 Quit midk_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.52.43 Join dstar5 [0] (~Lee@ACC1172B.ipt.aol.com) 04.02.26 Join tpelliott [0] (telliott@208-251-255-120.res.evv.cable.sigecom.net) 04.03.47 Join ILuvit [0] (ILuvit@ool-18bc45af.dyn.optonline.net) 04.04.07 # Anyone have a wierd button problem on a V1 recorder where you suddenly have 4 play buttons and the up button is the only direction button that still does what it's supposed to? 04.04.48 # That happened to me but it works ok now. 04.07.47 # no 04.07.52 # weird 04.07.58 # where did it occur? 04.08.08 # and what was going on? playing a song etc... 04.08.31 # Trying to access a song. 04.09.42 # i don't think anything changed latly would cause it 04.10.11 # maybe just a low battery issue... i have had weird things happen when batteries are low 04.10.33 # I've had the up arrow go into setup before. 04.10.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.10.54 # heh 04.11.37 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.12.09 # Also. Do you know where to get replacements for those tiny screwes at the top and bottom? I'm missing one but it does not seem to be a problem. 04.12.54 # One was hard to get in amd I stripped the head. I got it out though. 04.13.00 # humm newmp3technology.com maybe 04.13.36 # They almost look like screwes for glasses. Longer maybe. 04.14.03 # you should email the guys at newmp3technology.com 04.14.14 # i bet they could get you some free or very low price 04.14.39 # ok. I may take the screw to a repair shop first to see if they can match it. 04.15.16 # good luck :) 04.15.18 # It would be hard to describe in an email unless they have an Archos they can reference. 04.16.08 # well newmp3tech only works with archos units 04.16.18 # just tell them the v1 rec, and they will know 04.16.47 # ok. I've seen that site before. They sell HD upgrades. 04.17.36 # I upgraded to a 60GB drive myself about a year ago. It's been working great for almost 2 years. 04.17.59 # cool 04.18.29 # ill have a v1 rec 15 tomorow hopefully :) 04.18.32 # got it off ebay 04.18.34 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.18.34 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (elinenbe_@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.19.13 # I can't believe there's not a single HD MP3 player in production now that uses standard batteries. 04.20.00 # that does suck :( i think it is marketing people see lilon adn automaticly think better 04.20.55 # They sell more new units when the battery dies. 04.21.55 # Are you getting the Vi recorder as a backup? 04.21.56 # brb 04.22.02 Quit midk ("Leaving") 04.24.15 # no my old recorder died 04.24.45 # tpelliott: it's because LiIon batteries are better in almost every way (that way being non-standard) 04.24.55 # but it kinda was a decent deal, i was able to sell the 20 gb drive out of my old recorder 04.25.01 # smaller, lighter, longer life... 04.25.32 # then why doo they not make a standard liION cell? 04.28.32 # good question 04.28.48 # probably because they have to fit in the amount of space available in the player 04.29.21 # ohh i figured it out They sell more new units when the battery dies. and then they have to get a new player because no one can replace the battery themself 04.30.45 # i alwasy thought 'life of the unit' claims for batteries were funny 04.30.54 # cause when the battery dies, its life is over 04.31.53 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.32.01 # zakky! 04.32.12 # (?) 04.32.22 # uh 04.32.28 # I have a minidisc player that uses a li-ion "gumstick" battery that you can easily replace. 04.32.29 # SCOTYY 04.32.45 # anyone listen to faithless? 04.33.17 # Who is faithless? 04.33.42 # band 04.33.45 # really good 04.34.01 # http://www.faithless.co.uk/ 04.34.06 # its uk band 04.34.17 # Cool. Do you listen to the Beatles? 04.34.25 # yes 04.34.44 # i have 4 albums 04.35.15 # They are my favorite. I like some new stuff too but mostly older music. 04.35.22 # i think you can listen to some of their music on the site 04.35.38 # tpelliott: cool are you a pink floyd fan? 04.36.00 # No a huge fan but I have a few CDs. 04.36.08 # if you listen to the music on site, go to album reverace 04.36.35 # What type of music is on your Archos? 04.36.48 # uhh nothing now 04.36.49 # lol 04.36.57 # but i have lots of music 04.37.01 # It's still on the hard drive. 04.37.02 # lots of styles 04.37.11 # well... i sold the drive... 04.37.21 # my new unit should be here tomorrow 04.37.29 # Are you going to upgrade the hard drive? 04.37.39 # no 04.37.51 # i would but i want to stay cheap for a bit 04.38.19 # You can upgrade later. How much did you pay for the unit? 04.38.36 # $100 a bit more than i wanted to pay... 04.39.31 # Have you ever found them on ebay with a dead hard drive or without one? 04.40.06 # yes i have seen one once i have seen lots of av's without hds though 04.40.33 # the old one with the small screen? 04.40.46 # no the new 300's 04.41.26 # I wander why? 04.41.36 # who knows 04.42.01 # I know it's cheaper to buy a 4 gig micro drive in an mp3 player. 04.42.15 # heh i did hear about that 04.42.53 # wtf why is winamp not showing all my music 04.43.52 # humm the library needed to be rescaned 04.43.53 # weird 04.44.27 # What mp3 player would you get if you couldn't get a V1 Archos? 04.44.41 # And you had more cash? 04.44.46 # a v2 archos? 04.44.48 # av320. 04.45.03 # I like the av320 too. 04.45.08 # av500 :) 04.45.16 # there is no 500 04.45.19 # there is however a 400 04.45.26 # ahh whatever 04.45.40 # this reminds me - dunce does mean 'stupid person', you can check at dictionary.com 04.45.50 # I'm curious about the multimedia units that will run Windows 04.46.07 # i dont know if something is wrong with me but for some reason i keep seeing purple text on my computer in random places 04.46.24 # strange. 04.47.59 # tpelliott: got any the who? 04.50.21 # I love the Who. I've got a bunch. 04.51.11 # Live At Leeds is killer so it Who's Next and Tommy. 04.51.21 # is 04.51.42 # i have Live at Leads 04.51.50 # and Who's Next 04.51.55 # and dont have TOmmy 04.52.07 # i didnot really like WHo's Nexy though 04.52.33 # I just burned a CD with so may Beatles mp3's I had to overburn a few bites. 04.53.00 # what do you rip with and what quality? 04.53.06 # I have an mp3 CD boombox at work. I don't tant to take my Archos there. 04.54.05 # Easy CD-DA Lame 192 CBR or 96/mono 04.54.26 # What do you rip at? 04.54.55 # same lame 192 cbr, but i never rip in mono 04.55.18 # I only do that if the source is mono. 04.56.09 # I have a bunch of old time radio on my Archos too. 04.56.24 # neat 04.57.07 # I downloaded Clinton's autobiography for curiosity. 04.58.14 # lol 04.59.08 # Overburn works fine. 05.01.13 # the chech and chong up in smoke soundtrack is so funny 05.01.27 # s/chech/cheech 05.02.22 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@209-150-45-103.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com) 05.02.23 Quit Guest (Remote closed the connection) 05.02.29 # I'm going to bed. 05.03.20 # see you 05.03.24 # brb 05.03.25 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 05.03.41 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC1172B.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.44 Part tpelliott 05.18.20 Quit AciD` ("resistance is futile, you will be assimilated") 05.36.25 Quit ILuvit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.38.43 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 06.10.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.15.48 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 06.15.48 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.15.48 Quit NibbIer (Connection reset by peer) 06.19.34 Quit midk (Remote closed the connection) 06.20.14 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 06.38.04 Quit scott666_ ("i'll be back...eventually...") 06.44.04 Join ^sting^ [0] (~popoy690@adsl-69-224-152-231.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 06.45.04 # <^sting^> hello 06.45.30 Quit ^sting^ (Client Quit) 06.51.29 Join Murks [0] (~chatzilla@socks2.netz.sbs.de) 07.00.43 Quit Murks ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.1/20040707]") 07.04.21 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.07.05 # hi LinusN 07.23.27 Join guitarguy19 [0] (~sfdds@adsl-68-255-27-146.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 07.23.58 # hi midk 07.24.23 # hey i just got a studio 20 and i installed rockbox..but now it says "dir buffer is full" everytime i start it up 07.25.16 # guitarguy: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#76 07.25.24 # rockbox 2.2 has a bug 07.25.30 # k thanks 07.25.39 # either read the link above or upgrade to a daily build 07.28.11 # ok im getting a daily build, thanks 07.28.20 # will i need to change the max files in a folder setting? 07.28.39 # not if you upgrade 07.28.43 # o ok 07.31.00 # hmm im getting the same error, and 399 files are showing up..instead of 1200 07.31.18 # (sry this is for my friend) 07.31.48 # this is because the limit is set to 400 by default 07.32.03 # who in their right mind puts 1200 files in the same dir? 07.32.08 # lol idk 07.32.13 # how do i change it 07.33.16 # LinusN, iirc the playlist setting is from 1000-20000? 07.33.36 # menu->general settings->system->limits->max files in dir browser 07.33.56 # midk: yes 07.34.13 # there should be a "0" option, for disabling playlists. 07.34.23 # guitarguy19: select the number you want and press play 07.34.36 # ok thanks a ton 07.34.38 # then play a song, stop it, and reboot 07.34.47 # midk: you can't disable playlists 07.34.55 # everything is playlists 07.35.03 # hm, "1" then 07.35.12 # even if you just play a file, a temporary playlist is created for you 07.35.24 # actually, forget i said it. 07.35.29 # as always :-) 07.35.34 # :) 07.37.47 # thanks guys, im out 07.37.51 Quit guitarguy19 () 07.39.26 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 08.10.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.55.43 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.20.59 # hi LinusN 09.33.15 # hi 09.33.42 # I finally succeeded in building binutils 2.15 and gcc 3.4.1 09.33.52 # great 09.34.04 # I had to install bison and flex for it to work 09.34.42 # Compilation took around 50 minutes for both, not including my failed attempts 09.37.45 # Sh-elf-gcc 3.3.1 from Eric Lassauge's cygwin package is compiled with --disable-nls, while your Howto doesn't include that 09.37.55 # I wonder if this would make any difference 09.39.24 # hmm, i don't think so 09.40.32 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 09.43.04 # LinusN: Did you ever try to compile Rockbox with higher optimization levels than -O ? 09.43.13 # i don't think so 09.46.18 # I think I'll try that in the evening, with different gcc versions 09.49.29 Join [1]c0utta [0] (~c0utta@60.cust3.sa.dsl.ozemail.com.au) 09.53.16 Quit c0utta (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.53.19 Nick [1]c0utta is now known as c0utta (~c0utta@60.cust3.sa.dsl.ozemail.com.au) 10.10.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.18.24 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.24.07 Join lImbus [0] (lImbus@138.189-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) 10.25.42 # Hi LinusN, I have some remorse. I see you working all the time and I profit on than. I could try to help you too. 10.25.46 # I *want* 10.29.31 # what would you want to do? 10.30.27 # mhmm. I think bugfixing is important. (and less creative). If you have a clear assumption where the problem is located, you can point me on and I'll try it. 10.31.44 # pick your favourite in the bug tracker 10.31.59 # then I send the patch to you ? 10.32.08 # or to the patch tracker 10.32.56 # naaa. I don't like to implement feature if I can be pretty sure somebody else has a clear idea for the solution. I lack on creativity sometimes 10.33.15 # ...implement a feature... 10.34.14 # the patch tracker is for bug fixes too 10.34.59 # of course. was confounding with feature request list. 10.35.20 # whan can I so with patch tracker items ? to polish them ? I got no cvs access. 10.36.10 # I mean. If there is a bugfix in the patch tracker, what can I help you on ? 10.36.51 # you could take a look at A-B repeat 10.37.12 # i don't like it as it is today, but you can try to work out a good UI for it 10.37.44 # yeah, I've seen two feature requests for it. so I should find the patch. I'll work on that. ok 11.43.41 Quit lImbus (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- :P") 11.45.27 Quit gromit`` ("back soon") 12.01.11 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 12.10.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.17.43 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.22.07 Quit uski (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.28.12 Join uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 12.42.20 Join lImbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) 12.45.23 # LinusN: forgot my rockbox at home. :-/ 12.48.58 Quit uski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.59.13 # lImbus: :-) 12.59.25 # that's a deadly sin 13.00.27 # hey linus, is chkdsk /f still the best way to check my jukebox drive ? 13.06.31 # YAY, i'm going to put some, like, graphics in my clock, yay. graphics for.. well.. GRAPHICS. 13.06.43 # c0utta: guess so 13.07.22 # has anyone used spinrite before connected by usb ? 13.07.33 # what's that? 13.08.21 # http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm 13.10.27 # LinusN, i'm trying your cross-compiler instructions now 13.14.04 Join uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 13.14.29 # ok. is it possible to boot up a pc with a dos boot disk and still access the drive via usb ? 13.15.13 Join iralemming [0] (~iralemmin@adsl-1-199-208.bna.bellsouth.net) 13.15.36 # hi 13.17.27 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@reladm.kharkov.net) 13.17.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> hello uski , do you read? 13.19.08 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Client Quit) 13.21.53 # something. 14.10.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.12.25 # LinusN, I completed installing the cross compiler 14.12.27 # now to test it 14.12.37 # by the way, gdb was completely optional, right? 14.14.54 # looking great. works! 14.15.12 # wow. it built in about 20 seconds 14.18.26 Nick midk is now known as midk|sleep (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 14.18.31 # nite all. 14.19.34 # * midk|sleep is away: sleeping 14.29.56 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 14.48.39 # c0utta: don't think so. tryed that a while ago and failed. since then I use knoppix (a live cd-debian linux) that boots from cd and gives usb as well as ntfs-support 15.48.39 Quit lImbus (Remote closed the connection) 15.49.44 Join lImbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) 16.04.44 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.06.01 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 16.10.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.11.01 # i'm in trouble 16.11.25 # i just made a hit'n'run commit to cvs, only because i have to go home 16.11.38 # i'll finish it up when i get home 16.11.44 # :-) 16.11.46 Part LinusN 16.19.48 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC43C99.ipt.aol.com) 16.31.24 # god i hate pdf's 16.31.50 # maybrei just have bad luck, but they always freez my borwser 16.32.03 # and theyare huge files... kinda hard on a modem 16.32.20 # why not just use.... html? 16.33.37 # because it would fit to the size of your monitor. must be a drm issue. 16.34.21 # but ANYONE that wants to edit a pdf can do it if they really want to 16.35.43 # and also.. i have never had a problem with monitor sizes and viewing html 16.39.35 # in fact, pdf is more than only docreading. it's pretty nice for forms. 16.40.04 # that it is kinda good for... 17.32.53 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 17.40.57 Join clarias [0] (clarias@ALagny-151-1-50-60.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.40.59 # hello 17.41.03 Nick clarias is now known as gromit (clarias@ALagny-151-1-50-60.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.41.08 Nick gromit is now known as gromit`` (clarias@ALagny-151-1-50-60.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.46.26 # gromit``: hey 17.46.32 # hey 17.46.32 Nick scott666_ is now known as scott666 (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 17.46.37 # whats up? 17.48.03 # holidays tomorrow :) 17.48.06 # beach etc :) 17.48.12 # good :) 17.49.01 # yay 17.49.11 # i just got out of summer school :-) 17.50.20 # what is it ? 17.50.36 # a place to learn or to chase the girls ? 17.50.40 # re-takeing a class because i failed it in normal school 17.50.48 # oh okay :) 17.50.50 # little of both 17.50.51 # heh 17.50.52 # :) 18.10.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.19.50 Join sethians [0] (~jirc@200.87.85.246) 18.22.00 # any speaks spanish ? 18.23.29 # un poco 18.23.33 # :) 18.23.49 # hola 18.24.09 # holas gromit 18.24.37 # tengo un problema.. se me rompio /salio la entrada de alimentación... para recargar las pilas... de mi mp3 recorder.. 18.27.17 # im supprised how much of that i understood, considering i dont speak spanish 18.27.53 # pero no conozco ninguna cosa a propocito del recorder :) 18.28.22 Quit Doehni_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.50.13 # what does propocito mean? 18.54.10 # what does propocito mean? 18.54.24 # ¿Qué el propocito significa? 18.58.27 # Time to go. 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Adiós! 18.58.39 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 18.59.58 # oh too late :/ 19.02.19 # see ya !!! 19.02.24 Quit sethians ("Leaving") 19.27.23 Quit AciD (Connection timed out) 19.27.23 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.43.10 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 20.08.58 # * lImbus is off for home now. 20.09.02 Part lImbus 20.10.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.15.18 Quit iralemming ("Leaving") 20.23.59 Join asdfjkl [0] (gjiowergf@pD9E1D164.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.52.44 Nick midk|sleep is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 20.53.02 # LinusN: Compiling rockbox with -O2 and both gcc 3.3.1 and 3.4.1 already had 2 interesting results 20.53.52 # "interesting" sounds like bad news :-) 20.53.59 # (1) gcc 3.3.1 compiles without errors, binary size almost equal to compiling with -O 20.55.29 # (2) gcc 3.4.1 compiles Rockbox itself, but binary size is even larger than with -O, and it produces an assembler error (pcrel too far) while trying to compile the plugin lib 20.56.32 # ok so it inlines a little too much then 20.58.57 Join Smooth [0] (909510b8@ACBD38EB.ipt.aol.com) 21.00.27 # u could have "Standby" and "Restart" to compliment "Shutdown" 21.00.47 # Smooth: You forgot "Hibernate" ;-) 21.01.04 # oh yea, and "Hibernate" as well 21.03.06 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 21.05.28 # whats the difference between standby and hibernate? 21.06.37 # Standby stores the "state" in the RAM, whilst hibernate stores it on the hard disk 21.06.58 # dont we save the 'state' either way? 21.07.13 # if you have "Resume" activated 21.07.20 # * scott666 does 21.07.40 # resume info doesnt get saved if the setting is off? 21.07.45 # are you sure about that? 21.07.53 # duno 21.07.55 # ask linus 21.08.05 # ? 21.08.58 # which setting are you talking about? 21.09.03 # resume 21.09.19 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 21.10.15 # well, if resume is set to off, then it isn't saved 21.10.41 # the "superbass" option is too fiddly 21.10.49 # bring back the old bass boost adjuster 21.11.09 # much more midk-proof, sorry idiot proof 21.11.13 # :-) 21.12.23 # _nothing_ is midk-proof ;-) 21.12.44 # i know that 21.13.10 # LinusN: Compiling with -Os is even more "interesting" 21.13.52 # Smooth, you're the one who can't operate it, apparently... 21.14.05 # Smooth: superbass is either on or off, what's hard with that? 21.14.20 # or do you mean MDB? 21.14.53 # prefer the old bass boost adjuster, not all these new options 21.14.55 # Smooth: actually, all you have to do is enable it, and adjust the strength 21.14.55 # LinusN: Both gcc 3.3.1 and 3.4.1 compile the firmware itself, yielding significantly smaller binaries (~ 8K). Here gcc 3.4.1 is indeed a bit better 21.15.01 # ok 21.15.16 # the other parameters are by default the same as the old one 21.15.27 # Linus an option to kill the Status bar in the WPS and re-enable it in the browser would be handy 21.15.34 # that is if you're not Smooth enough to use the other parameters :] 21.15.36 # While gcc 3.4.1 errors at the same spot as with -O2 (pcrel too far) 21.15.42 # since the WPS enables data for battery life and volume to be shown 21.15.51 # oh shut up mikeholden 21.15.52 # Smooth: perhaps a good idea 21.16.21 # yea, its a bit fiddly manually turning the Statusbar on and off if u have battery life and volume showing in the wps 21.16.36 # LinusN, did you also ever consider taking the statusbar out of the menus? 21.16.36 # gcc 3.3.1 errors a bit later; when linking jpeg.rock it complains about an undefined reference to _memcpy 21.17.11 # don't you just love it 21.17.13 # i think the menus should take up the whole screen. it'd look better and give more room 21.17.37 # Both compiler issue a warning for strcpy.c when compiling with -Os: common/strcpy.c:68: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value 21.18.12 # I don't get why this is; I don't see a truth value in line 68... 21.21.28 # of course there is 21.21.46 # it uses the result from the assignment as the loop condition 21.22.25 # it's =, not == 21.23.00 # Argh, I looked into strncpy.c instead 21.23.07 # haha 21.24.26 # So putting another pair of parentheses there should fix the warning. 21.24.47 # yes 21.25.09 # it's a way of telling the compiler that you really mean it 21.25.27 # The gcc 3.3.1 problem with jpeg.c is funny - there is no reference to memcpy in the reported function. Obviously gcc tries to optimize something by using memcpy, which of course fails for plugins 21.27.59 # From googling around the "pcrel too far" problem with gcc 3.4.1 is a reintroduced bug. I wonder if we should stick with 3.3.x for compiling rockbox... 21.28.24 # it's often about passing large data types to functions 21.28.48 # we use 3.0.4 for the automatic builds today 21.31.05 # Yes I know. I use 3.3.1 with cygwin, did not find any problems so far, and the binaries are smaller than with both 3.0.4 and 3.4.1 21.31.19 # This is of course useful for rombox... 21.31.34 # it's a shame that 3.3.1 can be such a bitch to compile 21.32.15 # What's the problem with it? 21.32.36 # it requires libc headers when building the bootstrap compiler, for no reason 21.32.56 # so it fails with "can't find stdio.h" 21.33.12 # I think I should try to compile 3.3.4 21.38.32 # I wonder how Eric Lassauge compiled 3.3.1 then 21.39.56 # he is probably smarter than i am :-) 21.40.54 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 21.41.00 # i am building it as we speak, we'll see how it goes 21.41.19 Quit midk (Nick collision from services.) 21.41.22 Nick midk_ is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 21.41.57 # LinusN: Building what? 3.3.1? 3.3.4? 21.42.00 # 3.3.1 21.42.14 # having another go at it 21.42.37 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC2E9E7.ipt.aol.com) 21.42.43 # Smooth 21.43.59 # what 21.44.18 # nothing 21.44.26 # i wish tracktheripper would return :( 21.44.37 # who? 21.45.07 # tracktheripper 21.45.31 # ? 21.45.33 # dj dawn powaaaa !! 21.45.35 # oops ;) 21.45.59 # Smooth: you know who i am talking about sdd 21.46.09 # no i fucking well don't 21.46.29 # yes you do 21.46.57 # no i don't 21.47.12 # ok tracktheripper 21.47.13 # i mean Smooth 21.54.24 # if my new archos is here today it will be here like in the next few minutes :) 21.54.58 # ok 21.55.26 # the gmini 220 has backlit buttons 21.56.01 Quit asdfjkl ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040616]") 21.56.29 # woopty do i can navigate totaly blnk on the archos rec 21.56.58 # the gmini wipes the floor with the ipod 21.57.18 # well, i do have a backlight keyboard on my PC ;) 21.58.29 # like smoothy here 21.58.55 # it's very cool for IRCing in the dark ;) 21.59.42 Quit dstar5 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.01.42 # Uski is that the Auravision keyboard? 22.02.04 # hmmm no 22.02.06 Nick midk is now known as midk|gone (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 22.02.14 # it's some nomark keyboard "generalkeys(tm)" 22.02.17 # oh ok 22.02.26 # mikeholden has gone now 22.09.12 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC365C8.ipt.aol.com) 22.09.16 # boo 22.09.18 # not here :( 22.10.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.14.21 # ? 22.15.02 # my archos 22.15.37 # ok 22.15.40 # what archos is it? 22.16.09 # v1 rec 15 22.16.34 # oh 22.16.39 # i badly want a gmini 220 22.16.43 # I held one in the shop 22.16.46 # far slicker than the ipod 22.17.30 # that sounds EXACTY like something tracktheripper would say 22.21.42 # LinusN: I tried building gcc 3.3.1 under cygwin first - no luck (stdio.h problem) 22.21.59 # yeah 22.23.23 # I also tried configuring with --disable-nls, as Eric Lassauge did 22.23.32 # same here 22.24.09 # the official workaround is to add --without-headers --with-newlib to the configure command line 22.24.22 # but it still doesn't work for me :-( 22.24.53 # found it! 22.25.12 # Funny enough, the current cygwin gcc is 3.3.1, so gcc 3.3.1 isn't able to compile sh-elf-gcc 3.3.1 (!) 22.25.14 # the official workaround works for all targets but SH :-) 22.25.19 Quit midk|gone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.26.07 # i'll fix this in a minute, hang on 22.31.49 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.31.51 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 22.32.15 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (elinenbe_@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 22.34.21 # LinusN: has it been decided how to make more space in flash? 22.34.30 # dstar5: no 22.36.22 # LinusN: where is dirbrowse() found? 22.37.43 Quit Smooth ("leafChat IRC client: http://www.leafdigital.com/Software/leafChat/") 22.38.46 # dstar5: tree.c 22.38.52 # grep is your friend 22.39.37 # Grr, compiling gcc 3.3.4 produces the same error as 3.3.1 22.40.15 Join tcc730 [0] (~HFHFHF@brd48.ort.org.il) 22.41.40 # Hey all 22.42.00 # LinusN: I still wonder how Eric Lassauge got that beast to compile. 22.42.14 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 22.42.28 # I'm looking for a way to write my own code for my mp3 player(uses telechip tcc730) 22.43.32 # If I didn't get it wrong, sh-elf-gcc -v shows all options used to configure the build. His version show only 4 options: --target=sh-elf --prefix=/opt/sh1 --enable-language=c --disable-nls 22.43.35 # tcc730: good luck with that 22.43.58 # Does anyone know where I could get "TCC730 Development tool"? 22.44.15 # tcc730: that's the problem, it's a proprietary chip 22.44.26 # no public documentation 22.44.56 # amiconn: there are ways around the bug 22.45.10 # you can for example compile newlib along with it 22.46.35 # The workaround you mentioned above, yes. But wouldn't it show up in the configure string retrieved with sh-elf-gcc -v, showing that you used --with-newlib as well? 22.47.08 # well, he probably built glibc instead 22.50.20 Quit tcc730 () 22.50.50 Join clarias_ [0] (clarias@ALagny-151-1-13-202.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.51.19 # * LinusN is building with newlib 22.51.49 # * amiconn is just doing the same for 3.3.4 22.52.17 # we actually used newlib in the dawn of rockbox 22.52.27 # so building with newlib was required 22.52.36 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 22.58.53 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.08.24 Join zeekoe [0] (~zeekoe@81.204.105.246) 23.11.00 # LinusN: Tried building with both "--with-newlib" and "--without-headers --with-newlib" - still no luck 23.14.24 # LinusN: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-02/msg01114.html 23.17.19 # yeah, saw that, that's why i said "the official workaround works for all targets but SH" 23.17.27 # i have now built 3.3.1 23.19.40 # now "make install" fails :-) 23.28.16 Join _aLF [0] (~alex@grenoble-1-62-147-74-13.dial.proxad.net) 23.28.18 # <_aLF> hi 23.28.25 # hi 23.31.58 # Alf! The brown tv-alien! 23.47.50 # amiconn: compiled and installed 23.48.15 # How did you get this to work? 23.48.30 # i built with newlib 23.48.48 # for real 23.50.00 # download newlib from here: ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/newlib/index.html 23.50.23 # How do you build newlib if you can't compile it without building the compiler first? 23.50.32 # unpack it in the same dir as you have the gcc-3.3.1 dir 23.51.01 # now you have a newlib-1.12 dir as well as a gcc-3.3.1 dir 23.51.08 # cd gcc-3.3.1 23.51.19 # ln -s ../newlib-1.12/newlib . 23.51.24 # cd ../build.gcc 23.51.40 # or whatever your gcc build dir is named 23.52.01 # ../gcc-3.3.1/configure --target=sh-elf --prefix=/usr/local/sh-3.3.1 --enable-languages=c --with-newlib --disable-multilib --without-headers 23.58.36 # Trying that for gcc 3.3.4 now...