--- Log for 28.07.104 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 9 days and 7 hours ago 00.05.07 # ../../../../../../gcc-3.3.4/newlib/libc/stdlib/abs.c:40: error: parse error before '(' token 00.05.10 # :-( 00.11.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.11.15 # really? 00.11.16 # fix it :) 00.11.47 # amiconn: do you have binutils in the path? 00.11.58 # \o/ 00.13.10 # Just trying to build 3.3.1 that way - will still take a while 00.13.33 # 186012 bytes for the current fm recorder ajbrec.ajz 00.14.32 # Argh, forgot to symlink newlib within the gcc-3.3.1 source dir... 00.14.41 # And yes, binutils are in the path 00.23.10 # time to sleep 00.23.13 # nite all 00.23.16 # LinusN: current fm recorder ajbrec.ajz is 186052 bytes compiled with gcc 3.3.1 (Eric Lassauge) 00.23.27 # I WON!!!!!!!! 00.23.40 # I wonder why it's different... 00.23.44 # indeed 00.24.15 # gotta go, nite 00.24.20 # nite 00.24.25 Part LinusN 00.25.50 # Grr, I think I should try that another time. 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08.18.35 # yeah 08.18.56 # whats up 08.21.18 # just wanted to explain your problem 08.21.49 # the audio chip (the MAS3587F) does all EQ stuff 08.22.26 # and it poses some restrictions on the settings, which Rockbox frankly doesn't care about 08.22.48 # gotcha 08.23.16 # max(bass, treble) + Loudness + Volume <= 0dB 08.23.36 # volume is in percent in Rockbox, but 92% os 0dB 08.24.00 # so any volume above 0dB *might* overflow the DSP 08.24.37 # and if you add bass, treble and loudness, you will be way off limits 08.24.49 # yeah i understand any way of getting around that 08.25.21 # many MP3:s are encoded with a pretty low gain, so there is often a quite big margin for overflow 08.25.53 # i am planning to add a warning when the settings are above the limit 08.26.17 # ok yeah thats probably a good idea 08.26.27 # (been planning that for a long time, but things always get in the way :-) 08.27.19 Join midk [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 08.28.23 # as for the skip protection i set it at 7 seconds now is that decent enough to run with in a pocket 08.28.51 # it should be fine even without it. but it could help 08.28.58 # i can't say for sure. you have to try it 08.29.23 # yeah cuz that thing will just stop and not start playing again i have to turn off then on again 08.29.36 # red led dead? 08.29.39 # yeah 08.29.46 # that's not fixable really.. 08.30.01 # yeah is it worth it to put the extra buffer memory in 08.30.10 # unionpeak: which version or rockbox are you using? 08.30.23 # unionpeak: it has nothing to do with buffer memory 08.30.50 # hmm cvs0407025 08.31.06 # does it hang often? 08.31.50 # btw, using a hard drive based player for running is a really bad idea 08.31.55 # whenever im running sometimes when i walk 08.31.58 # yeah i realize that 08.32.06 # not my main use 08.32.30 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 08.32.31 # you could do a test for me if you wish 08.32.37 # sure 08.33.01 # i'll compile a special version of today's daily and put it up for download 08.33.09 # hang on 08.33.55 # ya know what i hate to tell you but my friend is borrowing my cord today ill try it tomarrow and post results though 08.35.02 # don't worry 08.35.10 # i'll give you the link in a minute 08.35.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.36.46 # this special build turns off the ATA driver optimizations 08.37.14 # ok 08.37.51 # it won't be a noticeable difference in speed 08.38.51 # http://linus.haxx.se/unionpeak_test.zip 08.39.34 # ok cool ill try it tomarrow 08.39.40 # thanks 08.39.44 # and this may help with the skipping 08.39.54 # or stopping i guess would be a better word 08.39.58 # it could help 08.40.04 # but not necessarily 08.40.16 # the main problem is your hard drive 08.40.38 # you probably have a DK23DA or DK23CA drive in your jukebox 08.40.40 # yeah well i guess any hd bumping around in my pocket would have problems 08.40.56 # do you have it in front of you? 08.41.34 # yeah 08.41.45 # menu->info->debug->disk info 08.42.27 # dk23da-20 08.42.35 # how did i know? :-) 08.42.36 # damn you know your stuff 08.43.10 # you're not the only one with this problem 08.43.11 # well i guess theres nothing i can really do about that though 08.43.22 # you can of course replace the hard drive 08.43.46 # unfortunately, it takes some soldering skills on the v2 recorder 08.44.03 # i can solder but what kind of hd is that small 08.44.19 # no, the soldering is only to remove the casing 08.44.44 # the chassis is soldered to the PCB for grounding 08.44.51 # no i know but what kind of hd would i have to get 08.44.51 # so it's fairly easy 08.44.59 # ah 08.45.16 # as slow rotation speed as possible 08.45.25 # like 4000 rpm 08.45.32 # 9.5mm thick 08.45.36 # 2.5" 08.45.53 # any laptop hard drive will do 08.46.04 # i recommend toshiba 08.46.39 # be aware, there are 12mm thick drives too, and they won't fit 08.48.55 # yeah 08.49.01 # i dunno maybe ill give it a shot 08.49.29 # thanks alot for all the help though man 08.49.58 # you're welcome 08.55.14 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7FA32.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.55.30 # hi all 08.56.28 # I just saw a new case of a maybe-problem with optimized ata & dreaded Hitachi DK23DA in the logs :-( 08.59.37 # LinusN: I found a bug in the handling of .lng files 09.00.02 Quit midk ("Leaving") 09.00.13 Quit gromit`` ("Leaving") 09.00.42 # If you start with the built-in language string and then load a .lng file (no matter whether it contains all strings or not), all is fine 09.00.56 # (displaying the bu 09.01.03 Quit unionpeak ("(i was using polaris irc) webpage:[http://www.polaris-irc.tk]") 09.01.23 # (displaying the built-in strings for those not contained in the .lng file) 09.03.31 # But: If you first load a complete .lng file (already updated english.lng in my case) and afterwards load an incomplete .lng file (not yet updated deutsch.lng) whose strings also take more space, the menu entries using the strings not contained in the secong .lng file show garbage 09.03.41 # yeah i know 09.04.09 # It's of course clear _why_ that occurs, but I'm not sure whether we should fix that 09.04.32 # ...since it would occupy more memory 09.05.09 Join midk [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 09.06.49 # (not for rombox, but for normal ram-based execution) 09.10.10 # the obvious fix is of course to keep a copy of the language_strings[] array 09.10.39 # and restore it before loading a new language 09.11.49 # Yes of course; this is what would require more memory 09.12.40 # ...but the bug will only appear when you have a "soft" language already loaded 09.12.57 # so i don't see this as much of a problem 09.13.08 # i agree with you 09.14.13 # 374 strings times 4 bytes... 09.14.35 # there goes the v2 rombox again :-) 09.15.00 # As I said, this is no problem for rombox 09.15.22 # why not? 09.15.54 # Currently, the .lang string pointers are in the .data section, therefore contained in the firmware file and copied to ram on boot 09.16.05 # on boot, yes 09.16.39 # If we would keep a copy, this one would of course go into .rodata (still contained in the binary, but not copied by crt0.S) 09.16.59 # The copy would _only_ exist in ram, being part of the .bss section 09.17.07 # ah, you mean it's not a problem with flash memory space 09.17.30 # i thought you mean that the bug didn't exist 09.17.32 # Yes, and also not with ram consumption (for rombox) 09.17.33 # meant 09.18.11 # I meant the fix wouldn't require more memory when running from rom 09.18.16 # i see 09.24.18 # While being no problem with normal use of rockbox, it may hit if someone tries out several .lng files in sequence (and does not look very professional) 09.24.40 # Many languages are incomplete today, having no active maintainer(s) 09.27.14 # so we should probably keep a copy in rodata then... 09.33.09 # Ok, I'll see if I can do that (iiuc this requires modifying the genlang script) 09.33.43 # Different topic: I found some quirks with the simulator builds 09.34.16 # (1) For the Win32 sims, "make clean" doesn't remove libplugin.a 09.35.03 # (2) For the X11 sim, "make clean" doesn't remove rockboxui.exe (cygwin) 09.35.22 # (3) The X11 sim currently doesn't build, at least under cygwin: 09.37.19 # /home/Administrator/rb-patched/uisimulator/x11/../x11/screenhack.c:480: variable '_XtShellStrings' can't be auto-imported. Please read the documentation for ld's --enable-auto-import for details. 09.38.11 # This repeats many times with several other lines in screenhack.c, and ends in 09.38.12 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 09.38.12 # make[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rb-patched/x11sim-recorder/rockboxui] Error 1 09.38.12 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 09.38.12 # make: *** [sim] Error 2 09.38.43 # 1) is fixed now 09.39.53 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~knoppix@p508774EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.40.03 # assdfk. 09.40.10 # it's the nick stealer! 09.40.13 # hi phil 09.40.50 # hi LinusN! I just received your mail 09.41.17 # but now I didn't steal any 'mid' , midk :) 09.41.52 # Of course I would be honored to have the split editor included in the rockbox cvs 09.41.58 # amiconn: 2) is fixed 09.42.27 # kurzhaarrocker: nice! 09.42.46 # i'm currently looking at the volume trigger 09.42.56 # But unfortunately the code is extremly alpha, it extends the plugin api which is unnecessary with the mp3 api extension by [IDC]Dragon 09.42.57 # kurz: :) 09.43.07 # LinusN: Do you have my trigger code? 09.43.15 # i have the old patch 09.43.26 # in the tracker 09.43.42 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.43.42 # * kurzhaarrocker glimpses at the tracker 09.43.46 # i'd like to discuss the peak meter code 09.44.08 # Shoot. 09.44.21 # it currently has a lot of settings 09.44.38 # the first i'd like to remove is probably the performance setting 09.44.46 # i know you agree with that 09.45.00 # but is there anything else we can simplify? 09.45.08 # I do agree with that as long as it is the 'high performance' that remains :) 09.45.13 # of course 09.45.56 # I hardly ever adjust the maximum value. I think we could tie it to 0db / 100% fixed. 09.46.15 # not even in the split editor? 09.47.03 # In that editor it proved surprisingly efficiant to toggle db / % display. If that doesn't help adjusting the max doesn't help much either. 09.47.15 # good 09.47.50 # i remember that we were discussing the resolution of the retro buffer 09.48.09 # Talking about trigger? :) 09.48.13 # yes 09.49.34 # Do you want to change that resolution? 09.50.06 # no, i remember that we wanted to increase the resolution to make it easier for the trigger to backtrack 09.51.48 # Ah yes, I think the goal was to make it happen on frame boundaries. 09.52.16 # yes, and you were having problems with the split points 09.52.31 # due to the latency in the trigger 09.53.26 # Yes, that triggers something in my mind. I haven't seen my code for many months... 09.53.27 # Do you have ideas for fixing that? 09.54.20 # as of now, the split points will have a 1s resolution 09.54.48 # and i vaguely remember that this was a problem 09.54.51 # (btw: if you have tried that patch from the patch-tracker: does it show traffic light symbol in the recording screen when the trigger is active?) 09.55.36 # i haven't tried it, but from looking at the code it doesn't 09.57.10 # and it doesn't change anything in mpeg.c 09.57.55 # amiconn: issue 3) is totally unknown to me 09.58.11 # That code should reside somwhere in recording.c (?) Where the recording screen is implemented. 09.59.25 # Concerning trigger: it was that I had quite a noticable 'random' factor in the trigger which I could not explain and which was to big to be explained by mp3 frame boundaries. 10.01.01 # i remember now 10.01.50 # in the patch, it displays messages, not symbols 10.02.12 # It was not the granularity of the prebuffer, the problem was finding the correct frame that is closest to the desired trigger point. 10.02.33 # yeah, and i also remember that we found out what it was... 10.02.46 # LinusN: you're god! :) 10.02.53 # but i can't see it being addressed in the tracker patch 10.02.53 # (I don't remember) 10.03.36 # in fact, the patch doesn't even try to find a closer point 10.03.53 # I obvioulsy haven't submitted my latest code to the tracker. 10.12.47 # morning 10.12.48 # :( Seems even the patch in http://carangg.de/rockbox/splitedit_rec.zip is not up to date. But it at least contains that function mpeg_get_file_pos. 10.13.07 # hm, can't the irc log be blocked for google ? 10.13.21 # webmind_: my would we want that? 10.13.51 # webmind_ that's easy: just kick logbot :) 10.15.48 # no ops 10.15.54 Nick webmind_ is now known as webmind (~random@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 10.16.18 # webmind: we want the logs to be indexed 10.16.30 # why don't you want it? 10.17.04 # because my nick keeps turning up on google.. for unrelated topics.. just because I've mentioned them in here 10.17.53 # tough luck 10.17.54 # you could just add a search function to the site no ? 10.18.16 # we use google for searching the site 10.18.24 # I got that 10.18.38 # but do you need it for searching the logs? 10.18.41 # the search function on the front page uses the "site:" feature of google 10.18.52 # yeah 10.19.09 # we could just as well use our own search engine 10.19.39 # so why not ? 10.19.48 # ... and let google investigate that search engine? :) 10.19.49 # we like when google finds us 10.20.11 # openness is one of rockbox main virtues 10.20.38 # yeah... that true 10.21.06 # but now when you search for unrelated topics the site still turns up because of the logs 10.21.07 # And it's a way for attention seeking nerds to gain publicity.. 10.21.08 # the irc logs are of course a problem for google 10.21.49 # I'm not pro blocking the site completely for google btw.. just the logs 10.21.52 # because they contain much "unrelated" stuff 10.22.56 # i'll discuss it with the rest of the crew 10.23.16 # cool, thanks 10.23.27 # but don't hold your breath 10.23.51 # k 10.24.02 # good enough anyway 10.24.34 # searching for "webmind irc" rates the rockbox irc logs first :-) 10.25.28 # kurzhaarrocker: care to send me the latest stuff? 10.25.56 # I'm @ work right now, the code is @ home. I'll mail you tonight. 10.26.26 # wonderful 10.28.38 # Concerning the split editor: it nearly needs a rewrite due to [IDC]Dragon's mp3 api extensions 10.30.54 # LinusN, yeah.. so does webmind and zaurus 10.32.09 # (back) 10.32.26 # Is there anybody (LinusN) willing to do that rewrite? :) 10.32.51 # LinusN: I tried building the X11 sim again, after a fresh configure. Still the same problem 10.36.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.36.57 # I can send you the output of make (make >file 2>&1) 10.43.28 # amiconn: issue 3)? 10.43.41 # kurzhaarrocker: i'll do the rewrite 10.43.56 # you're a masochist, LinusN 10.44.07 # is it that much different? 10.44.27 # ah, you don't use the "raw" playback api 10.44.38 # not a single bit of it :( 10.45.01 # the split editor was before the raw playback 10.45.03 # then how do you loop? 10.45.35 # i see now 10.45.43 # but does it need a rewrite for that? 10.45.45 # ugly he? :) 10.47.10 # you don't split at frame boundaries, do you? 10.47.27 # I'd like to avoid the plugin api extension that were required for that 10.47.53 # why? 10.48.01 # yes frameboundaries were still a todo. 10.48.22 # ok, so it would be better to rewrite it with the raw api 10.48.36 # then we could have the entire loop in memory 10.49.10 # and it would be easy to find the split points 10.49.20 # frame boundaries, i mean 10.49.39 # do we have a function that finds frame boundaries in bitswapped data yet? 10.49.54 # jörg wrote one 10.50.00 # LinusN: Yes, issue 3 10.50.10 # So that should be a peace of cake then :9 10.50.12 # amiconn: i have no idea what it is 10.50.25 # kurzhaarrocker: it's done in a coffee break 10.50.37 # blindfolded 10.51.36 # amiconn: we still have problems with files being created with the wrong umask on cygwin, if the are created with open(O_CREAT) 10.52.43 # * kurzhaarrocker decorates LinusN's cake with some extra cream. He deserves it. 10.53.23 # uhh 10.53.59 # that sounded a little wrong there kurz.. ;] 10.54.31 # ? Did I unwillingly make a pun I don't understand? 10.55.13 # i guess so. 11.00.47 # amiconn: regarding issue 3, is it really a problem? who uses the x11 sim in cygwin? 11.01.03 # or did you just try it for "fun"? 11.03.49 # Just tested if building that still works. Plus, it is a bit more user-friendly than the Win32 sim. For instance, the Win32 sim uses a window that does neither show up in the task bar nor is accessible via alt+tab 11.04.24 # amiconn: in the current cvs build as well? i thought i fixed that! 11.04.55 # LinusN: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/x11sim-make.log 11.05.11 # i mean the win32sim taskbar thing 11.06.09 # Ah ok. Didn't notice that. It works for current cvs. Still, the X11 sim has the advantage to enlarge the screen image 11.06.31 # the win32 sim does that too 11.06.43 # And it does not use that Photo background, which is misleading for fm, v2 and player 11.06.48 # you just have to drag it far enough 11.07.00 # 'yeah i really dislike the image 11.07.38 # but we have left it there, because so many people prefer eye candy before usability 11.08.25 # I remember someone wrote a demo for an icon ui for rockbox. I liked that. 11.08.36 # bluechip added an option in his sim fix, that toggles the background 11.08.55 # dwihno did that iirc 11.09.10 # The idea behind using the image isn't that bad, but imho doing it properly would require some changes: 11.09.14 # we discussed that on the latest devcon 11.09.45 # like different images for different targets 11.10.09 # (1) The image can be clipped to only contain the display and buttons, everyting outside that area is clutter 11.10.33 # (2) There should be different images for a) player, b) recorder, c) v2/fm 11.10.34 # i think it should be a virtual image, with symbolic buttons instead of a picture 11.10.47 # just to show the layout 11.11.10 # (3) The buttons in the image should be clickable buttons 11.11.12 # and they should be clickable 11.11.15 # :-) 11.11.18 # :-) 11.11.43 # i wish some clever windows coder could help us with that 11.11.57 # but do they exist? :-) 11.12.11 # * LinusN ducks 11.12.16 # you could record the click sound with the internal mic of the recorder and play that back when clicking the virtual button... 11.12.30 # Unfortunately I'm not that clever in Windows coding, only did use VB so far 11.12.58 # clever people don't write windows code :-) 11.13.01 # * LinusN hides 11.13.29 # <- stupid 11.16.57 Quit midk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.20.51 # Do you need any info from me now, LinusN? 11.21.07 Join midk [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 11.23.54 # kurzhaarrocker: i don't think i need more, just send me the code when you get home 11.24.05 # ok. cu. 11.24.10 Part kurzhaarrocker 11.24.11 # i'll remove the performance and top level options 11.25.02 # LinusN, you should replace performance with an FPS menu. 11.25.22 # that won't help us much would it? 11.25.43 # the point of the exercice it to reduce the number of options 11.26.16 # yes.. why? 11.26.21 # to save space? 11.26.39 # because there are an overwhelming number of options in rockbox 11.27.20 # that's what i like about it, you can fine tune things - example, you can set the scroll step and speed, and delay, instead of just "Scroll slow" or "scroll fast" 11.27.44 # i think a good idea is an FPS menu instead of the performance menu. but that's just me 11.27.46 # yes, but do you? 11.28.04 # do i set the settings? yes. 11.28.36 # speaking of which, i think you should up the maximum scroll speed in hz from 10 to 20 or 25 11.29.44 # doesn't the lcd get completely blurred at that speed? 11.29.51 Join Tunsnask [0] (~gammel_ma@cpe.atm2-0-1041160.0x503f9f66.arcnxx9.customer.tele.dk) 11.30.08 # not for i.. depends on the contrast, the font etc 11.30.27 # with my font and contrast it looks fine. i like 1px step and about 20hz speed.. 11.30.44 # there is a small blur but that's definitely ok to me 11.34.16 # nite evb 11.34.21 Nick midk is now known as midk|sleeping (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 11.44.23 Join Tobi [0] (~Tobi@dsl-082-083-116-250.arcor-ip.net) 11.45.09 # hi 11.45.15 # hi 11.45.32 # I have an idea to decrease the rombox size 11.45.45 # shoot 11.46.00 # Can you move the rename file feature into a plugin? 11.46.28 # of course, but that wouldn't save us much space would it? 11.46.46 # I don't know how large it is 11.46.57 # it's unfortunately very small 11.47.03 # ok, bad idea 11.47.06 # :-( 11.47.19 # better luck next time :-) 11.47.24 # thanks 11.47.45 # but there might be other things we can convert to plugins 12.04.21 # lunch time 12.04.21 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.36.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.35.41 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~knoppix@p508774EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.36.08 # midk|sleeping do you really sleep? 13.38.56 # * kurzhaarrocker empties a bucket of ice cold water over midk|sleeping 13.39.42 # ok. He's not sleeping, he's dead. 13.46.37 # LinusN in case you run out of arguments against an fps setting in the peakmeter: It doesn't really improve anything. With 20 fps the thing looks smooth enough and for increasing the reliability of the peak detection the readouts / sec is the critical parameter. Fps and readouts / sec are independent. 13.46.56 # i'm aware of that 13.47.00 # :) 13.48.03 Part kurzhaarrocker 13.48.27 Join NibbIer [0] (~nibbler@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.53.16 Quit Tunsnask (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.02.14 Quit Tobi ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 14.14.41 Quit c0utta (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- irc client ownage!") 14.36.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.00 # LinusN: I still wonder what the build problem with the X11 sim on cygwin is. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I updated my cygwin installation 2 days ago? 15.18.54 # i have no idea 15.35.25 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 15.39.50 Quit AciD (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.58.25 # LinusN: Found the cause. Obviously the binutils installed with my latest cygwin update had a bug. There was now a new version available, which lets me compile the X11 sim without errors. 15.58.44 # good 15.59.13 # It still throws some messages prefixed with Info: on stderr though 16.00.05 # Info: resolving _XtShellStrings by linking to __imp__XtShellStrings (auto-import) 16.00.06 # Info: resolving _XtStrings by linking to __imp__XtStrings (auto-import) 16.00.06 # Info: resolving _topLevelShellWidgetClass by linking to __imp__topLevelShellWidgetClass (auto-import) 16.00.35 # The compiled simulator does work. 16.02.39 # nice 16.08.03 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.08.10 Join elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 16.36.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.40.20 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 16.51.45 Part LinusN 16.54.53 Join Ericgoh [0] (~kapipo@p23004-adsau14honb7-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) 17.00.16 Quit Ericgoh () 17.00.27 Join Ericgoh [0] (~kapipo@p23004-adsau14honb7-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) 17.01.03 Quit Ericgoh (Client Quit) 17.01.06 Join Ericgoh [0] (~kapipo@p23004-adsau14honb7-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) 17.01.27 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC06AA1.ipt.aol.com) 17.04.18 Quit Ericgoh (Client Quit) 17.28.42 Join maedhros_ [0] (~maedhros@216.62-97-197.bkkb.no) 17.35.10 # I hate partitioning new drives. 17.35.39 # I never know how much space I'll need on the different partitions 17.39.56 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 17.41.24 # Can the archos really handle more than 32 GB of music? Since it requires fat32, I mean? 17.48.44 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~knoppix@p508774EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.48.53 # maedhros_: yes 17.49.03 # fat32 does not matter 17.49.03 # Installations with 60 GB drives have bee reported, maedhros_ 17.49.17 # i have heard reports of 80gb 17.49.21 # how? 17.49.50 # you can't have a fat32 partition bigger than 32gigs, can you? 17.52.54 # hm personally I don't remember wether I ever had a partition > 32 GB. 17.59.05 # i have a 160 gb NTFS partition :) 17.59.31 # maedhros_: yes you can 18.00.20 # my biggest drive is 40 GB. Seems I'm becoming old... 18.02.07 # HOw do you do that? In XP, once the partition is more that 32768 MB's, the option to format to FAT32 disappears... 18.04.39 # You could try other tools. e.g. knoppix. Though I don't know whether that can handle bigger partitions. 18.10.31 # maedhros_: You _can_ have fat32 partitions larger than 32 GB, only braindead XP doesn't allow you to create one (but if created by other means, it will happily handle it) 18.10.45 # kurzhaarrocker: hey there... long time no see! 18.10.56 # but I liked langhaarrocker better 18.11.03 # you can use partition magic 18.11.35 # well, elinenbe I need a barber soon or I'll be langhaarrocker soon again :) 18.11.50 # I upgraded my Jukebox to 80 GB (single partition). I created the partition with Win98, which doesn't have such a limitation 18.13.35 # Iirc fat32 allows partitions up to 128 TB. 18.15.52 # At a rate of 128 kBit how long will the party last with 128 TB? ;) 18.16.29 # kurzhaarrocker: Imho not really long, since 128 kbps isn't fun to listen to with most music 18.17.15 # With the archos hardware 128kBit is not the weak link in the signal chain. 18.17.20 # brb 18.17.23 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC rocks! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 18.18.57 # kurzhaarrocker: I can definitely hear the difference between 128 kbps and 160 kbps (and depending on the music, even between 160 kbps and higher values) when using the archos as a source when using e.g. decent headphones 18.20.38 # amiconn maybe your ears are damaged. Then it's easier to hear the differences. 18.21.41 # i recomend 192 18.21.45 # I don't think my ears are damaged. 18.22.52 # I usually encode my stuff with lame --preset standard, which comes out at ~210 kbps on average 18.28.49 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.30.05 # kurzhaarrocker: i don't believe you ever had long hair, you have short hair on all the pics on your site 18.30.21 #