--- Log for 01.08.104  Server: zelazny.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: logbot  Version: Dancer V4.16p1  Started: 3 days and 21 hours ago

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00.35.09 #       <zeekoe> anything happened to etchasketc.c yet?
00.36.47 #       <midk> asdfadsf
00.36.51 #       <midk> yes.
00.36.54 #       <midk> actually.
00.36.55 #       <midk> :)
00.37.01 #       <midk> i coded quite a bit
00.37.02 #       <zeekoe> tell me tell me
00.37.07 #       <zeekoe> upload upload
00.37.08 #       <midk> i did the moving without drawing
00.37.11 #       <zeekoe> cool
00.37.17 #       <midk> i made a start screen..
00.37.21 #       <midk> hmm i sort of forget now
00.37.21 #       <zeekoe> oh no
00.37.26 #       <midk> you can remove it.
00.37.28 #       <zeekoe> :P
00.37.34 #       <midk> i changed the position of the start cursor
00.37.36 #       <zeekoe> upload upload
00.37.43 #       <midk> i cleaned up the code a little
00.37.44 #       <midk> ok ok
00.37.44 #       <zeekoe> ok, that's fine
00.37.45 #       <zeekoe> ok
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00.38.43 #       <midk> http://freewebs.com/midky/etchasketch.c
00.39.32 #       <midk> i just thought for the startup screen people should know that f1 will clear their picture and f2 will save it really..
00.39.44 #       <midk> so they don't accidentally ruin their masterpiece
00.40.37 #       <zeekoe> yep, that's something i thought of too, but uh never did it
00.40.38 #       <zeekoe> nice
00.40.59 #       <midk> enjoy, sir.
00.41.20 #       <midk> the moving without drawing function doubles as an eraser, btw
00.41.50 #       <midk> i want to talk to linus about a save bitmap feature, so you could eventually implement a menu where you could pick different sized brushes, etc.
00.42.12 #       <midk> (that's completely up to you of course)
00.43.36 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.43.50 #       <zeekoe> what does a save bitmap function have to do with different brushes?
00.44.58 #       <midk> you'd have to go to a menu to select a new brush
00.45.16 #       <midk> and if you felt like it, other things such as a paint bucket or different shades via grayscale
00.45.22 #       <zeekoe> :P
00.45.26 #       <midk> you could save a shot of the etch to a temporary char array
00.45.29 #       <midk> go to menu
00.45.33 #       <zeekoe> :? it doesnt seem to compile well
00.45.33 #       <midk> when you exit menu restore that bitmap
00.45.37 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.45.40 #       <midk> possibly not for the sim
00.45.42 #       <midk> let me check
00.45.54 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/guest/apps/plugins'
00.45.54 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `Copy', needed by `all'.  Stop.
00.45.54 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/guest/apps/plugins'
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00.45.54 #       <zeekoe> make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2
00.45.54 #       <zeekoe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/guest/apps'
00.45.55 ***     Alert Mode level 1
00.45.55 #       <zeekoe> make: *** [apps] Error 2
00.45.55 #       <midk> works for me
00.45.59 #       <zeekoe> i'll configure again
00.46.02 #       <midk> uh
00.46.06 #       <midk> did you put in "make Copy"?
00.46.11 #       <midk> oh
00.46.12 #       <midk> weird.
00.46.15 #       <midk> never mind...
00.46.22 #       <midk> yes, "make clean" and then configure
00.47.13 #       <jdeonarine> hello all
00.47.18 #       <zeekoe> hi
00.47.33 #       <midk> yo.
00.47.44 Nick    zeekoe is now known as zeekoe|toofbruzj (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl)
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00.47.45 #       <jdeonarine> sounds like lots of work going on :)
00.47.56 #       <midk> working on even more animations for the clock
00.48.06 #       <jdeonarine> that sounds interesting
00.48.08 #       <midk> blug blug blug. i hate complex for loops
00.48.15 #       <midk> flying text..
00.48.23 #       <jdeonarine> I'm working on a patch for id3 support in the directory view
00.48.30 #       <midk> i was considering adding a progressbar to the credits roll
00.48.36 #       <midk> wow, that sounds really nifty
00.48.47 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, hopefully people will like it
00.48.55 #       <jdeonarine> per-folder settings for the directory listings
00.49.13 #       <midk> if it's implemented as a setting where you can choose id3 or filename view, it'd probably be accepted
00.49.20 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, that's my plan
00.49.41 #       <jdeonarine> plus the option to turn it off or change the setting for an individual folder
00.49.43 #       <midk> that sounds even better (per-directory)
00.50.16 #       <midk> does a progressbar for the credits roll sound overkill? ;)
00.50.20 #       <jdeonarine> heh
00.50.29 #       <jdeonarine> hey, if it is fun to implement, then go for it
00.50.42 #       <midk> wow
00.50.44 #       <midk> i love your logic
00.50.47 #       <midk> :]]
00.50.49 #       <jdeonarine> ;)
00.50.53 #       <zeekoe|toofbruzj> jdeonarine: are you new here? or am i?
00.50.57 Nick    zeekoe|toofbruzj is now known as zeekoe (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl)
00.50.57 DBUG    Enqueued KICK zeekoe
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00.51.04 #       <jdeonarine> I'm new, just showed up today
00.51.07 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.51.20 #       <zeekoe> me too
00.51.24 #       <jdeonarine> I submitted my first patch yesterday, probably second will come before the end of the weekend
00.51.25 #       <zeekoe> about 2 weeks
00.51.31 #       <jdeonarine> too sunburned to do anything else :/
00.51.41 #       <zeekoe>  sounds like lots of work going on :)
00.51.42 #       <zeekoe> :)
00.52.06 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, I've used rockbox for a couple of months now, and always said 'yeah, I'll mess with that someday'
00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/guest/apps/plugins'
00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `Copy', needed by `all'.  Stop.
00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/guest/apps/plugins'
00.52.09 ***     Alert Mode level 4
00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2
00.52.09 ***     Alert Mode level 5
00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/guest/apps'
00.52.10 ***     Alert Mode level 6
00.52.10 #       <zeekoe> make: *** [apps] Error 2
00.52.12 #       <zeekoe> adsfsdad
00.52.17 #       <jdeonarine> hmm
00.52.23 #       <jdeonarine> paste error?
00.52.49 #       <jdeonarine> you made a copy of a file in plugins
00.52.52 #       <jdeonarine> and it is still ending in .c
00.52.58 #       <jdeonarine> so change the extension of your copy
00.53.09 #       <jdeonarine> probably it is "Copy of myfile.c" or something similar
00.53.14 #       <zeekoe> whoops
00.53.16 #       <zeekoe> :P
00.53.36 #       <midk> ooooooooohhhhhh
00.53.48 #       <midk> he told you
00.53.51 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine: you r-00lz
00.53.55 #       <jdeonarine> laf, thx
00.56.01 #       <zeekoe> midk: U 4R t3h B0mb
00.56.16 #       <midk> :]
00.56.17 #       <zeekoe> it draws faster now
00.56.34 #       <midk> i was working on an even faster drawing spped
00.56.35 #       <midk> speed*
00.56.40 #       <zeekoe> cool :)
00.56.48 #       <midk> have to talk to linus about that
00.57.02 #       <zeekoe> about the BUTTON_ANY ?
00.57.13 #       <midk> oh, no..
00.57.19 #       <midk> it's to do with raw button reading
00.57.21 #       <zeekoe> ok, i saw you asking that
00.57.22 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.57.25 #       <zeekoe> that's cool
00.57.33 #       <zeekoe> it can be done on Ti-83+ too
00.57.35 #       <midk> that way you can really just pick a speed
00.57.43 #       <zeekoe> so this isnt real raw?
00.57.57 #       <midk> i hope it's not
00.58.02 #       <zeekoe> :)
00.58.06 #       <zeekoe> small bug btw: when you press play, the pixel-before-current pixel is removed too
00.58.25 #       <midk> yeah.. that's the way the cookie crumbles i guess :)
00.58.51 #       <zeekoe> you can do faster drawing in another way, maybe
00.58.58 #       <midk> ah, good, no i haven
00.59.06 #       <midk> haven't uploaded the one with the raw button reading
00.59.11 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.59.12 #       <midk> it was pretty buggy
00.59.16 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.59.36 #       <zeekoe> but if you define a key, e.g. F3 for fast-drawing
00.59.45 #       <zeekoe> then it can draw 2 pixels a time, for example
00.59.55 #       <midk> no, just 1 pixel at a time, but faster
01.00.21 #       <zeekoe> that can be done too, but if that doesnt work
01.00.33 #       <midk> yeah
01.01.40 #       <zeekoe> well
01.01.42 #       <zeekoe> bed time again
01.01.44 #       <midk> nite
01.01.46 #       <zeekoe> see you tomorrow
01.01.48 #       <zeekoe> nite
01.01.53 #       <midk> nite nite
01.01.56 #       <midk> nite nite nite
01.01.58 #       <zeekoe> nite nite nite nite
01.01.58 #       <midk> nitey
01.02.00 #       <midk> sleep good
01.02.02 #       <midk> sleep
01.02.02 #       <midk> nite
01.02.03 #       <zeekoe> nitey nitey nite
01.02.04 #       <midk> good night
01.02.05 #       <midk> go to bed
01.02.06 #       <midk> sleep well
01.02.08 #       <midk> nite nite
01.02.09 #       <zeekoe> die
01.02.11 #       <zeekoe> :P
01.02.11 #       <midk> :[
01.02.12 ***     Alert Mode OFF
01.02.19 #       <zeekoe> die for 8 hours
01.02.25 #       <midk> nah.
01.02.35 #       <midk> nite.
01.02.38 #       <zeekoe> :P
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02.18.18 #       <Guest> Hello>?
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02.27.39 #       <jdeonarine> hmm, anyone want to be a guinea pig?
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02.53.35 #       <jdeonarine> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1001358&group_id=44306&atid=439120
02.53.54 #       <jdeonarine> id3 tags in the browser, with high customization
02.54.01 #       <midk> yo.,
02.56.23 #       <midk> wow.
02.56.27 #       <midk> sounds really awesome
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10.05.27 #       <elinenbe> word it up
10.05.40 #       <elinenbe> I'm the lyrical gangsta
10.05.43 #       <elinenbe> word it up
10.05.49 #       <elinenbe> excuse me mr. office
10.05.52 Ctcp    Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 5 minutes and 3 seconds at the last flood
10.05.52 #       * midk words it up for elinenbe 
10.05.53 #       <elinenbe> word it up
10.06.05 #       <elinenbe> me livin like that.
10.06.16 #       * midk jumps happily
10.06.23 #       <midk> i didn't break the sim builds
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11.38.04 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine: if you still are here, /me guinnea pigging
11.39.04 #       <midk> hi zeeks.
11.40.53 #       <zeekoe> hi mikker
11.42.05 #       <zeekoe> done anything cool the past few hours?
11.42.14 #       <midk> heh, check the clock update..
11.42.19 #       <midk> working on a matrix scroller too
11.42.50 #       <zeekoe> is the clock update in latest cvs?
11.43.04 #       <midk> yeah. not in the daily build yet but in the bleeding edge
11.43.12 #       <zeekoe> i should have it then
11.44.04 #       <midk> should my matrix scroller move the drippy text downward by one pixel at a time or one character at a time?
11.44.43 #       <zeekoe> cool, you mean The Matrix
11.44.56 #       <zeekoe> dunno
11.45.01 #       <zeekoe> try both :)
11.45.05 #       <ze> i'd say pixel
11.45.06 #       <ze> heh
11.45.14 #       <zeekoe> i think it's one character at a time, in the original
11.45.18 #       <midk> i tried the character-per-drip, a little jumpy
11.45.18 #       <zeekoe> or isnt it
11.45.21 #       <zeekoe> ok
11.45.24 #       <midk> in the original it was per-character
11.45.30 #       <zeekoe> maybe 2 pixels or so, as a compromise
11.45.30 #       <midk> but in reloaded and revolutions it was per pixel
11.45.31 #       <midk> iirc
11.45.35 #       <zeekoe> :P
11.45.43 #       <ze> heh
11.45.52 #       <midk> looks a lot better 1-pixel step imo
11.45.56 #       <midk> zeekoe you got your recorder around?
11.45.58 #       <midk> you could test it..
11.46.04 #       <zeekoe> have it
11.46.12 #       <midk> break it out hten
11.46.13 #       <zeekoe> just testing jdeonarine's thing
11.46.17 #       <midk> then*
11.49.04 #       <zeekoe> where is it?
11.49.18 #       <midk> uploading
11.49.18 #       <midk> sec
11.49.30 #       <midk> freewebs is down and geocities doesn't like the filename
11.49.40 #       <zeekoe> 1337... jdeonarine  r0o1z
11.49.44 #       <zeekoe> :P
11.50.13 #       <midk> http://uploadingmisc.tripod.com/matrix.rock
11.50.14 #       <zeekoe> too bad id3 display takes ages
11.50.23 #       <midk> remember
11.50.28 #       <midk> this only works on the target.
11.50.46 #       <midk> and the grayscale is a little blotchy.. i'm workin on it. :]
11.50.55 #       <zeekoe> :-/
11.50.59 #       <zeekoe> opera just opens it
11.51.13 #       <midk> hm
11.51.15 #       <zeekoe> ie too
11.51.21 #       <zeekoe> wait
11.51.46 #       * zeekoe likes opera quick download :)
11.51.50 #       <midk> ooh :D
11.52.13 #       <zeekoe> btw, i opened my recorder yesterday :-D
11.52.19 #       <ze> i switched from firebird to opera when i discovered it's auto session saving
11.52.20 #       <midk> ooh.. did you kill it?
11.52.28 #       <zeekoe> no, didnt
11.52.29 #       <ze> then i switched back to firefox when i discovered it's session saver plugin
11.52.33 #       <midk> ze: firefox has a session saver extension
11.52.35 #       <midk> HAHA
11.52.37 #       <zeekoe> one of the screws is a bit screwed
11.52.41 #       <ze> er yeah extension rather
11.52.43 #       <midk> zeekoe: two of mine are
11.52.50 #       <midk> one is missing, the other is half-in and stuck there
11.52.53 #       <zeekoe> :P
11.53.24 #       <zeekoe> i wanted to take out the microphone, and perhaps wire it to the digital in/out
11.54.07 #       <zeekoe> but i didnt have that copper stuff (we call it litze) to desolder the things, only a tin-sucker (or whatever it's called)
11.54.41 #       <zeekoe> midk: do i need a special font?
11.54.44 #       <midk> HAHA. you couldn't do the job because you don't have the copper stuff, only a tin sucker
11.54.48 #       <midk> zeekoe: nope.
11.54.57 #       <zeekoe> the tin sucker sucks
11.55.00 #       <midk> it's just 1s and 0s anyways atm
11.55.04 #       <zeekoe> :P
11.55.40 #       <zeekoe> well, starts to look fine
11.55.44 #       <zeekoe> and only 13 kb :P
11.56.00 #       <midk> 6.7kb iirc.
11.56.25 #       <zeekoe> the .rock is 12.866 bytes
11.56.32 #       <midk> 12 bytes?
11.56.35 #       <midk> niice.
11.56.37 #       <midk> :]
11.56.50 #       <zeekoe> okay, for you st*pid americans it's 12,866
11.56.57 #       <zeekoe> :)
11.57.13 #       <midk> OH. YES!
11.57.23 #       <midk> i think i just got a way to speed it up
11.57.29 #       <zeekoe> or 5065 inch-bytes, if you like
11.57.29 #       <midk> the rock you have is going at top speed
11.57.39 #       <zeekoe> uh
11.57.40 #       <zeekoe> ok
11.57.53 #       <midk> the reason it's so slow is because i use floats for the y positions, and i have tons of ints for the trails of each
11.58.01 #       <midk> i just got a way to speed it up substantially.
11.58.07 #       <zeekoe> nice
11.58.32 #       <midk> ok fine
11.58.39 #       <midk> if you don't care then don't care
11.59.03 #       <zeekoe> :P
11.59.14 #       <zeekoe> what's new about the clock?
11.59.28 #       <midk> read the front page's cvs commit section
11.59.33 #       <zeekoe> uh
11.59.35 #       <midk> or the release notes at the top of the code
11.59.36 #       <zeekoe> of course
11.59.40 #       <midk> :)
12.01.13 #       <midk> should the numbers be given a random y-position at start in addition to the already random x-position?
12.01.33 #       <ze> yes
12.01.34 #       <ze> heh
12.01.36 #       <zeekoe> uh... what was x and y again ;)
12.01.45 #       <midk> <-- x -->
12.01.48 #       <midk> ^
12.01.49 #       <midk> |
12.01.50 #       <midk> y
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12.01.51 #       <midk> |
12.01.51 #       <zeekoe> :P
12.01.51 #       <midk> v
12.01.54 #       <midk> FUasdf.
12.01.56 #       <midk> wtf.
12.01.57 #       <ze> :p
12.01.59 #       <zeekoe> i screwed it up
12.01.59 #       <midk> don't do that.
12.02.03 #       <midk> YES YOU DID/
12.02.07 #       <zeekoe> muahahhaa
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12.02.09 #       * zeekoe evil
12.02.11 #       <midk> <-- x -->
12.02.13 #       <midk>    ^
12.02.15 #       <zeekoe> #hi
12.02.15 #       <midk>    |
12.02.16 #       <ze> there's 2 ze's here
12.02.21 #       <zeekoe> -
12.02.22 #       <zeekoe> \
12.02.26 #       <zeekoe>  /
12.02.28 #       <ze> ^
12.02.28 #       <zeekoe> \
12.02.31 #       <ze> -y-
12.02.31 #       <ze> v
12.02.47 #       <zeekoe> nah
12.02.49 #       <zeekoe> i'm not ze
12.02.53 #       <zeekoe> i'm zeekoe
12.02.57 #       <zeekoe> huge difference
12.02.58 #       <ze> it's like ze and ze ekoe
12.03.21 #       <zeekoe> i've been zeekoe for uh...
12.03.23 #       <ze> is there an ekoe in here or is it just ze
12.03.31 #       <zeekoe> 5 years or so
12.03.43 #       <ze> well that makes it ironic then
12.03.47 #       <midk> i remember ze's old nick
12.03.48 #       <ze> the ekoe came first
12.03.58 #       <midk> they *still* haven't updated the irc page with your new one
12.04.00 #       <zeekoe> ?
12.04.04 #       <ze> thats ok
12.04.14 #       <midk> all you did was "this tests" anyways
12.04.16 #       <zeekoe> ze: what was your old nick?
12.04.18 #       <midk> i did a lot more stuff.
12.04.21 #       <ze> i'm still on a q3ut2 clan page as psycodeadman for demolitions
12.04.24 #       <midk> i should be more important
12.04.31 #       <ze> i did more than "this tests"
12.04.35 #       <midk> you lie
12.04.38 #       <ze> i was in the credits before i even did that
12.04.39 #       <ze> :p
12.04.44 #       <midk> oh really.
12.04.47 #       <midk> "this tests"
12.04.50 #       <midk> GSJSJSJS
12.04.51 #       <midk> er
12.04.54 #       <midk> FAHAHAHA
12.04.56 #       <ze> no really i was
12.05.03 #       <midk> ok go on
12.05.03 #       <ze> see what happened
12.05.06 #       <midk> what else did you do
12.05.07 #       <ze> was they released blinky light code
12.05.13 #       <ze> and then they released some lcd code
12.05.20 #       <ze> and then somebody did some fun stuff with that
12.05.22 #       <ze> extended it
12.05.25 #       <ze> dunno who
12.05.33 #       <ze> it was like lame stuff with a mushroom cloud or something
12.05.37 #       <ze> but it had new code that was cool
12.05.38 #       <ze> heh
12.05.38 #       <midk> haha
12.05.46 #       <ze> and i took all those different bits of code
12.05.52 #       <ze> and put them together and started doing more new stuff
12.06.02 #       <ze> like an ebook reader deal and like games and stuff
12.06.10 #       <ze> i guess some button reading code got in there somewhere too
12.06.12 #       <midk> yeah right...
12.06.12 #       <ze> that i also extended
12.06.17 #       <ze> and then rockbox got seriously going
12.06.24 #       <midk> and you gave up.
12.06.25 #       <ze> and i gave my whole archive to the devs
12.06.35 #       <ze> and they looked it over and thanked me for the contribution
12.06.44 #       <ze> i'm not sure if they used anything from it or even learned anything from it
12.06.49 #       <ze> but i got in the credits anyway
12.06.49 #       <ze> heh
12.07.00 #       <midk> you're just lucky you got here before i did
12.07.17 #       <ze> and i've contributed lots of ideas and guidance at various points
12.07.23 #       <midk> yeah. mmhmm...
12.07.31 #       <midk> "i agree with zagor"
12.07.34 #       <midk> "i agree with linus"
12.07.42 #       <zeekoe> ze: were you PsycoXul?
12.07.43 #       <ze> yeah it's scary to think how stuff might've ended up without me
12.07.47 #       <ze> zeekoe: yeah
12.07.52 #       <zeekoe> ok
12.07.57 #       <ze> midk: there was a bit of that too yeah
12.08.01 #       <ze> midk: but i'd generally say why
12.08.17 #       <ze> and then it'd often be agreed by the rest after
12.08.17 #       * midk rocks out
12.08.17 #       <ze> :p
12.08.24 #       <midk> yeah.. go ze.. mhm.
12.08.30 #       <ze> and then i also stated my own opinions on stuff
12.08.37 #       <midk> woowwwwwwww
12.08.40 #       <ze> that were different from those that had been considered
12.08.41 #       * midk looks at ze in awe
12.08.46 #       <ze> and ended up being the way they went
12.08.47 #       <ze> heh
12.09.02 #       <midk> :)
12.09.08 #       <midk> ze's funny.
12.09.24 #       <midk> i remember! ze was the first person i met when i came here for the very first time.
12.09.49 #       <midk> i was like "hi everyone. i have a question",, and ze was like "well ask the question instead of stating that you have one"
12.09.53 #       <midk> and i was like "yes sir"
12.10.00 #       <ze> heh
12.10.01 #       <zeekoe> :P
12.10.04 #       <ze> yeah that always annoys me
12.10.14 #       <zeekoe> let's see what was My First Confrontation
12.10.15 #       <ze> "i have a question" "good, hang on to it then"
12.10.16 #       <midk> same.. now that i "get" irc
12.10.16 #       <ze> :p
12.10.19 #       <midk> HAHA.
12.10.23 #       <ze> and also like
12.10.29 #       <ze> "can i ask a question?" "well you just did, but no"
12.10.48 #       <ze> "yes, you can ask one... now that you have, goodbye"
12.11.03 #       <midk> fahaha.
12.11.09 #       <midk> ze's such a prick.
12.11.10 #       <midk> ;)
12.11.18 #       <midk> i see this all the time in #mandrake for example
12.11.20 #       <ze> no it's just lame
12.11.24 #       <ze> and it's like not just irc
12.11.26 #       <ze> it's anywhere
12.11.39 #       <ze> if it's not right for you to ask a question
12.11.44 #       <midk> well yeah. i'm saying i see it lots in #mandrake because thats a popular channel
12.11.44 #       <ze> then asking "can i ask a question"
12.11.46 #       <ze> isn't right
12.12.06 #       <ze> so you might as well just ask your question and save the time and whatnot
12.12.06 #       <ze> heh
12.12.15 #       <ze> well
12.12.16 #       <ze> #mandrake...
12.12.22 #       <ze> is that do with the mandrake linux distribution?
12.12.28 #       <ze> cause like
12.12.30 #       <midk> yes
12.12.35 #       <ze> i would expect to find lots of lameness there in that case
12.12.46 #       <midk> lameness?
12.12.49 #       <ze> yeah see so i'm not surprised
12.13.07 #       <ze> mandrake's not just a newbie distro but a cluebie distro
12.13.19 #       <zeekoe> jay... june 27th i came here first
12.13.22 #       <ze> so #mandrake is likely to be full of the new and clueless
12.13.24 #       <midk> ze stfu
12.13.34 #       <zeekoe> and july 6 for the 2nd time
12.14.00 #       <zeekoe> i use mandrake too
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12.14.01 #       <midk> <hexagonsun> downloaded some porn.
12.14.01 #       <midk> <crash3m> lol
12.14.01 #       <midk> <YankDownUnder> pr0n? someone has pr0n? Ooooooo...
12.14.14 #       <ze> heh
12.14.44 #       <zeekoe> mandrake was the only thing i got working on my computer
12.15.07 #       <zeekoe> tried peanut linux, rx linux, and one or two others
12.15.13 #       <midk> zeekoe: the opposite for me until recently
12.15.19 #       <zeekoe> but X didnt work
12.15.24 #       <midk> asdfasdfasdf HAHA.
12.15.36 #       <midk> i hate those irssi and vim fanboys
12.15.38 #       <zeekoe> after days and days i went to mandrake, worked out of the box
12.15.41 #       <zeekoe> :P
12.15.42 #       <midk> xchat and kwrite r0x0rl
12.15.49 #       <zeekoe> :P
12.15.56 #       <zeekoe> irssi can be quite nice
12.16.00 #       <midk> NO. stfu.
12.16.05 #       <zeekoe> irssi can be quite nice
12.16.11 #       <midk> seriously, why does everyone like it?
12.16.17 #       <midk> ok.. so it's a text based irc client.. i get it
12.16.26 #       <midk> what makes that better than any other?
12.16.40 #       <zeekoe> there is also a totally non-text-based irc client
12.16.44 #       * zeekoe searching
12.16.48 #       <midk> --> rdancer (~r--t@snat2.arachne.czfree.net) has joined #c
12.16.48 #       <midk> <lgd_> i have a little question
12.16.55 #       <ze> heh
12.16.56 #       <midk> er
12.17.02 #       <midk> --> lgd_ (~lgd_@host26-245.pool80180.interbusiness.it) has joined #C
12.17.02 #       <midk> <lgd_> hi
12.17.02 #       <midk> --> rdancer (~r--t@snat2.arachne.czfree.net) has joined #c
12.17.02 #       <midk> <lgd_> i have a little question
12.17.03 #       <zeekoe> http://research.microsoft.com/vwg/projectsheets/comicchat.htm
12.17.04 #       <ze> it's not just a "text based irc client"
12.17.08 #       <ze> there's lots of text-based irc clients
12.17.08 #       <midk> ze stfu
12.17.17 #       <ze> it's just the best text-based irc client
12.17.31 #       <ze> and as far as text-based vs gui
12.17.32 #       <midk> WHY is it the best
12.17.40 #       <ze> just face it, irc is text-based, a gui is pretty pointless
12.17.41 #       <ze> heh
12.18.04 #       <ze> most of irc operation involves typing, even in a gui client
12.18.14 #       <ze> gui's only managed to break the flow by making your move your hand away from the keyboard
12.18.19 #       <midk> wtf..
12.18.33 #       <ze> heh
12.18.45 #       <zeekoe> that's why i like shortcuts and stuff
12.18.46 #       <ze> because it's fast, stable, clean, and highly configurable and scriptable
12.18.54 #       <zeekoe> and why i hate MS word formula editor
12.18.56 #       <midk> fast?
12.18.59 #       <midk> you idiotic nerd
12.19.29 #       <ze> it handles multiple servers nicely too
12.19.38 #       <midk> so does xchat
12.19.47 #       <ze> i used to use epic, and while it has multiple server support, all the ircii-based clients are pretty lame at it
12.19.47 #       <midk> only instead of remembering key combos you just press buttons
12.19.53 #       <ze> irssi does it nicely
12.20.00 #       <ze> um
12.20.03 #       <ze> keys are buttons
12.20.04 #       <ze> :p
12.20.09 #       <midk> i mean with a mouse.
12.20.09 #       <ze> and hey check it out
12.20.15 #       <ze> you got 10 pointers to press them with
12.20.17 #       <ze> instead of just 1
12.20.40 #       <zeekoe> you can do xchat by keyboard too
12.20.49 #       <zeekoe> ctrl+tab
12.20.59 #       <zeekoe> it just takes a while longer
12.21.04 #       <ze> heh
12.21.08 #       <ze> yeah see i do alt-n
12.21.12 #       <ze> n being the window number
12.21.14 #       <ze> and i hop around a lot
12.21.22 #       <zeekoe> yep, that's nice
12.21.28 #       <ze> i usually do switching between windows 1 and 5
12.21.30 #       <ze> and 1 and 3
12.21.33 #       <ze> and 3 and 5
12.21.33 #       <midk> ze: do you play any games?
12.21.35 #       <zeekoe> ze: muahahahhahaaaa
12.21.35 #       <ze> and 1 and 6
12.21.36 #       <ze> and whatall
12.21.39 #       <zeekoe> ze: muaahahahahhaa
12.21.43 #       <midk> fahahaha. no.
12.21.45 #       <midk> xchat does that too
12.21.47 #       <zeekoe> guess what xchat does at alt+n
12.21.49 #       <midk> alt+n
12.21.50 #       <midk> YEAH.
12.21.54 #       <ze> and have multiple conversations at the same time
12.21.55 #       <zeekoe> thanks, ze
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12.21.58 #       <ze> and it just switches instantly
12.22.03 #       <midk> same with xchat
12.22.04 #       <ze> heh
12.22.07 #       <ze> well nifty
12.22.12 #       <midk> ze are you a gamer?
12.22.18 #       <ze> used to be
12.22.20 #       <ze> not so much anymore
12.22.24 #       <midk> at all?
12.22.24 #       <ze> although doom3'll be out soon
12.22.41 #       <ze> i just recently mentioned my listing on a q3ut2 clan page
12.22.44 #       <ze> umptango.net
12.22.49 #       <midk> quake 3 mm?
12.23.08 #       <ze> quake3 urbanterror
12.23.13 #       <midk> I HAVE THAT MOD.
12.23.16 #       <midk> and that game.
12.23.22 #       <midk> ze what about a game?
12.23.30 #       <ze> i played q3 from the initial q3test up through like q3ut2.6 or so
12.23.33 #       <ze> and then i pretty much quit
12.23.33 #       <ze> heh
12.23.44 #       <midk> what about a game of ctf.
12.23.47 #       <ze> ok not the initial initial q3test
12.23.49 #       <midk> a small one
12.23.57 #       <ze> q3test got released for mac first, then linux, and then some weeks later for windows
12.24.05 #       <ze> i started when it was first released for linux
12.24.06 #       <ze> heh
12.24.15 #       <midk> ctf
12.24.23 #       <zeekoe> i only have unreal tournament :-/
12.24.26 #       <ze> and man did i own people on that q3dm17 or whatever one the floating one was
12.24.26 #       <zeekoe> and it runs sucky
12.24.35 #       <ze> on my 250ms modem ping
12.24.44 #       <midk> FAHAHA...
12.24.44 #       <ze> i got to the point where i was railing LPB's
12.24.49 #       <midk> ze calm down
12.24.49 #       <ze> i had some q3 zen shit going on then
12.24.50 #       <ze> heh
12.24.51 #       <midk> ctf?
12.24.51 #       <ze> :p
12.24.55 #       <ze> nah
12.24.56 #       <ze> :p
12.24.58 #       <midk> come on.
12.25.02 #       <midk> small short game
12.25.08 #       <ze> i got this nvidia+amd+via chipset thing going on
12.25.14 #       <midk> it works fine
12.25.16 #       <midk> come on.
12.25.19 #       <midk> :]
12.25.26 #       <ze> i get random hardware crashes when i use the 3D
12.25.27 #       <ze> heh
12.25.28 #       <midk> i'm just going to bug you until you say yes
12.25.30 #       <midk> then use 2d
12.25.32 #       <midk> let's go
12.25.33 #       <ze> haha
12.25.39 #       <zeekoe> 4D
12.25.43 #       <midk> no you nerd
12.25.52 #       <midk> zeze. ze ze. ZE.
12.25.58 #       <midk> ctf. short short game
12.26.01 #       <ze> heh
12.26.16 #       <midk> or until it crashes
12.26.22 #       <ze> you can't play q3 in 2d
12.26.27 #       <midk> then don't
12.26.28 #       <midk> 3d it is
12.26.37 #       <zeekoe> then play duke nukem 2
12.26.41 #       <ze> it was like the 1st major game to require hardware acceleration
12.26.47 #       <midk> ze come on
12.26.52 #       <midk> i don't want tech specs
12.26.52 #       <ze> while previous ones would just make use of it
12.26.57 #       <midk> i want a short game
12.26.57 #       <ze> but also provided a software renderer
12.27.17 #       <ze> but fps ctf sucks
12.27.22 #       <midk> uhh
12.27.24 #       <midk> whatever
12.27.25 #       <midk> let's go
12.27.26 #       <ze> especially with like 2 people
12.27.33 #       <midk> we'll add bots
12.27.38 #       <midk> you'll add bots*
12.27.39 #       <ze> see i learned to play ctf in boyscouts
12.27.43 #       <midk> WTF
12.27.45 #       <midk> i don't care
12.27.49 #       <midk> just start the game
12.27.53 #       <ze> where we'd all get decked out in full camo khaki's
12.28.00 #       <ze> and be out in forests and deserts and hills
12.28.07 #       * midk stares at ze
12.28.13 #       <ze> now thats Real ctf
12.28.18 #       <midk> ok lets play fake ctf
12.28.20 #       <midk> you launch
12.28.22 #       <ze> you actually have to SEARCH for the flag
12.28.30 #       <midk> STFU, seriously
12.28.39 #       <ze> it's not just some conspicuous standard location
12.28.47 #       <midk> i understand
12.28.52 #       <ze> it just has to be placed somewhere where it's visible when you get near it
12.28.53 #       <ze> heh
12.28.55 #       <midk> but there are also not people with guns
12.29.03 #       <midk> now let's GO.
12.29.14 #       <ze> yeah but if you get caught on enemy territory they capture you and put you in jail
12.29.23 #       <midk> who cares
12.29.25 #       <midk> let's go
12.29.28 #       <ze> until if/when a teammate rescues you
12.29.28 #       <ze> heh
12.30.10 #       <midk> :[
12.30.17 #       <ze> hehe
12.30.18 #       <midk> ze... come on now
12.30.56 #       <zeekoe> midk: if you have another game, i can play
12.30.59 #       <zeekoe> i can shoot guns too
12.31.06 #       <midk> zeekoe: i don't :(
12.31.11 #       <midk> ZE!
12.31.17 #       <ze> my mouse is kinda lame too
12.31.21 #       <midk> i don't care
12.31.24 #       <midk> let's go
12.31.24 #       <zeekoe> buy an optical
12.31.26 #       <ze> it's like a good kind except they ruined it with the newer model
12.31.31 #       <ze> they made it too small
12.31.36 #       <midk> Z E E E E
12.31.41 #       <ze> so it's hard to grip and operate smoothly
12.31.42 #       <midk> let us play a game now
12.31.44 #       <midk> ZE!
12.31.48 #       <ze> the original logitech trackman marble 0wned
12.31.57 #       * midk sighs in frustration
12.31.58 #       <ze> but this damn thing my hand barely even fits on
12.32.00 #       <midk> can we play now?
12.32.09 #       <ze> and it like flips and slides and shit when i try to seriously game on it
12.32.13 #       <ze> so it totally fucks up my aim
12.32.17 #       <ze> heh
12.32.17 #       <midk> you're a fucking .. ASDF.
12.32.20 #       <midk> :[
12.32.29 #       <ze> you got a server?
12.32.49 #       <midk> let's play.
12.33.06 #       <midk> we've been arguing about it for 10 minute
12.33.12 #       <ze> hey
12.33.15 #       <midk> start one, and i'll connect to you
12.33.19 #       <ze> heh
12.33.20 #       <zeekoe> statsbot - both midk and ze had an average of 20 chat lines per second for the last 20 minutes
12.33.25 #       <ze> oh now you don't just want to play a game with me
12.33.34 #       <ze> you want me to run a server eh?
12.33.41 #       <ze> ok well
12.33.47 #       <midk> ctf, join blue team, map: Q3TOURNEY6_CTF
12.33.52 #       <midk> i just connect
12.34.06 #       <ze> eh?
12.34.11 #       <ze> er oh
12.34.14 #       <midk> blue team. q3tourney6_ctf
12.34.24 #       <midk> yes, you're the server
12.34.28 #       <ze> hmm q3tourney6_ctf? heh
12.34.34 #       <midk> yes
12.34.38 #       <midk> gogo.
12.34.39 #       <ze> wait what ver of q3 is current anyway? what do you have?
12.34.44 #       <midk> 1.32b
12.34.53 #       <midk> it doesn't matter
12.35.02 #       <ze> oh i guess thats what i have
12.35.02 #       <ze> heh
12.35.09 #       <midk> ok go now
12.35.12 #       <ze> but i forget how to run a server
12.35.31 #       <ze> i used to have scripts that started it all up right but i lost them
12.35.33 #       <midk> multiplayer, create, type: ctf, map: q3tourney6_ctf, next, start
12.35.40 #       <midk> it's quite easy.
12.36.21 #       <ze> heh
12.36.30 #       <midk> mhhhhhh
12.36.31 #       <midk> GO.
12.36.38 #       <midk> multiplayer, create... you can take it from there
12.36.41 #       <ze> well lemme see
12.36.47 #       <midk> ok try
12.36.55 #       <ze> i guess if it works, wait a minute and try connected to psyco.yi.org
12.37.06 #       <midk> i connect to you ip
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12.40.37 #       <midk> hmm
12.40.41 #       <midk> ze.
12.40.48 #       <midk> i have no downloads going
12.40.54 #       <midk> pause yours if you can
12.41.55 #       <midk> dah.
12.41.58 #       <midk> laggy.
13.12.54 #       <midk> i couldn't move at all because of lag
13.13.18 #       <ze> hmm
13.13.22 #       <midk> try starting again
13.13.23 #       <ze> i see no network usage
13.13.24 #       <ze> heh
13.13.26 #       <midk> maybe just had to restart..
13.13.29 #       <ze> or hmm a little
13.13.30 #       <midk> really weird.
13.13.38 #       <midk> try one more time?
13.13.58 #       <ze> ok
13.14.02 #       <midk> go go go
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13.25.32 #       <midk> ze?
13.25.33 #       <ze> wtf it keeps kicking me
13.25.37 #       <ze> i guess unpure client but i dunno why
13.25.47 #       <midk> yeah.. try restarting the game and in a minute connecting
13.25.48 #       <midk> ok?
13.25.50 #       <ze> like it's being gay with my extra models or something
13.25.55 #       <midk> happened to me a few times
13.26.07 #       <midk> connect in a minute
13.26.33 #       <ze> whats the ip again
13.27.55 #       <midk> adsfa
13.27.59 #       <midk> haha
13.28.06 #       <midk> 66.235.14.120
13.28.11 #       <midk> connect in 1m?
13.28.43 #       <midk> ze.
13.28.58 #       <midk> i'll turn off "pure server" too.
13.29.21 #       <ze> it should work with pure server on though
13.29.30 #       <midk> should i turn it off just in case?
13.29.31 #       <midk> or no?
13.29.34 #       <ze> nah
13.29.37 #       <midk> ok
13.29.39 #       <ze> i'll just mv my extra stuff off
13.29.39 #       <midk> launching game
13.29.44 #       <midk> connect in 1 minute
13.33.02 #       <midk> ...
13.33.22 #       <ze> ?
13.33.24 #       <ze> it's not connecting
13.33.31 #       <ze> your server is not responding
13.34.29 #       <midk> try again
13.34.31 #       <midk> in one minute
13.34.34 #       <midk> i reconfigured router
13.36.42 #       <midk> :\
13.36.53 #       <midk> well... me try connecting to you one more time, then we give up?
13.37.19 #       <ze> heh
13.37.24 #       <ze> well what'd you do with your router? put it back
13.37.35 #       <midk> i did.
13.37.38 #       <ze> it was working, it was just the q3 server and/or client not dealing with my extra maps/models like it's supposed to
13.37.50 #       <ze> now it's not working at all
13.37.50 #       <midk> me connect to you
13.37.54 #       <ze> heh
13.37.54 #       <ze> ok
13.38.00 #       <midk> last try probaly
13.38.02 #       <midk> k
13.41.49 #       <midk> ze?
13.58.25 #       <zeekoe> midk, it's 5 am
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13.58.28 #       <zeekoe> you should sleep
13.58.47 #       <zeekoe> and it's 2 pm here
13.58.50 #       <zeekoe> i should eat
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14.09.50 #       <ze> gg
14.09.51 #       <ze> hehe
14.09.57 #       <midk> definitely gg :)
14.10.02 #       <ze> i guess it's like riding a bicicle
14.10.09 #       <midk> we should play again sometime... that was fun.
14.10.09 #       <ze> i mean i'm so outta practice and yet... :p
14.10.14 #       <midk> haha yeah
14.10.42 #       <midk> LALALA. it's late.
14.10.45 #       <ze> night
14.10.46 #       <ze> heh
14.10.48 Nick    midk is now known as midk|asleep (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com)
14.10.50 #       <midk|asleep> nite nite ze
14.10.50 #       <ze> or day as the case may be
14.10.53 #       <midk|asleep> and zeekoe
14.10.55 #       <midk|asleep> yeah.
14.10.58 #       * midk|asleep looks outside
14.11.02 #       <midk|asleep> ok its light out
14.11.07 #       <midk|asleep> that means i am up way fucking late
14.11.10 #       <midk|asleep> aka, get to bed midk
14.11.37 #       <midk|asleep> so nite ze, zeekoe, and.. jdeonarine.
14.11.39 #       <midk|asleep> and logbot.
14.12.08 #       * midk|asleep is away: sleep
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16.23.17 #       <zeekoe> help!
16.23.24 #       <zeekoe> any c progging nerds around here?
16.25.13 #       <zeekoe> hmm
16.25.14 #       <zeekoe> bad
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19.08.14 #       * jdeonarine has returned
19.08.18 #       * jdeonarine is a c proggging nerd
19.08.45 #       <jdeonarine> don't know if zeek is still here, that was 2.5hrs ago
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19.20.52 #       <sabbath> hello
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19.21.25 #       <zeekoe> hi
19.21.32 #       <zeekoe> :)
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19.21.33 #       <zeekoe> here
19.21.49 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine! help me! c progging nerd wnated!
19.22.13 #       <jdeonarine> what's the problem?
19.22.20 #       <jdeonarine> can't guarantee, but I can try
19.22.22 #       <zeekoe> i made a bitmap viewer
19.22.24 #       <zeekoe> well, i tried
19.22.25 #       <zeekoe> http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.teune/etch/
19.22.32 #       <zeekoe> but it doesnt work
19.22.53 #       <zeekoe> and in the bitmap saving code, there's some real weird stuff with | and & and shifting
19.23.00 #       <zeekoe> and i dont know that stuff
19.23.06 #       <zeekoe> but i have to reverse it
19.24.11 #       <jdeonarine> so & is bitwise and
19.24.26 #       <jdeonarine> if you had two binary numbers, say 001 and 101
19.24.32 #       <jdeonarine> the bitwise and would be 001
19.24.41 #       <jdeonarine> | is bitwise or
19.24.46 #       <jdeonarine> same numbers, the result would be 101
19.25.01 #       <jdeonarine> shifting moves the bits around
19.25.08 #       <sabbath> fuck you
19.25.14 #       <jdeonarine> 101 >> 2 would be 001 (the 01 shifts off the end of the register)
19.25.16 #       <dstar5> ?
19.25.20 #       <sabbath> you are sucks
19.25.22 #       <dstar5> fuck who?
19.25.26 Part    sabbath
19.25.34 #       <dstar5> heh
19.25.37 #       <zeekoe> ok, just didnt know the symbols
19.25.38 #       <jdeonarine> apparently we are sucks
19.25.56 #       <zeekoe> and we fuck
19.26.02 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, logical AND vs bitwise AND is a bit tricky at first
19.26.44 #       <jdeonarine> they're probably converting from some format stored in the bmp to some format displayable on the lcd
19.27.19 #       <zeekoe> i think so
19.27.25 #       <zeekoe> but the other way around
19.27.35 #       <jdeonarine> right, yeah, reverse that
19.27.51 #       <zeekoe> uh... what's the difference logical and <-> bitwise and?
19.28.05 #       <jdeonarine> so logical and (&&) merely tests if the two are non-zero
19.28.34 #       <jdeonarine> bitwise and takes each bit of the two and ands them together, and produces a result
19.28.56 #       <jdeonarine> bitwise and of 101 & 010 would be 000
19.29.21 #       <jdeonarine> but logical and of 101 && 010 is 'true' since they are both non-zero
19.29.23 #       <zeekoe> okay, logical and is a bit like (bool)x = (bool)y ?
19.29.33 #       <jdeonarine> something like that, yes
19.29.44 #       <zeekoe> with double == of course :)
19.29.47 #       <jdeonarine> right
19.30.03 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: new with rockbox?
19.30.20 #       <jdeonarine> eh, long time user, just recently started hacking it
19.30.32 #       <dstar5> cool :)
19.30.34 #       <jdeonarine> posted 2 patches this weekend, hoping to keep working at it
19.30.44 #       <dstar5> ahh i shoul see them
19.30.56 #       <jdeonarine> my 9-5 is firmware development, but for a totally different type of product :)
19.31.09 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, they're on sourceforge
19.31.51 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine: what do you develop?
19.31.55 #       <dstar5> heh    we should get a bot in the channle that posts info when there are cvs changes
19.32.09 #       <jdeonarine> can't really talk about it, sorry :(
19.32.14 #       <zeekoe> whooh
19.32.20 #       <zeekoe> archos av400? :P
19.32.25 #       <jdeonarine> heh, no I don't work for archos
19.32.31 #       <zeekoe> good :)
19.32.36 #       <dstar5> browse directories using id3 tags
19.32.39 #       <dstar5> me like :)
19.32.48 #       <dstar5> my music is hard to keep organized
19.32.51 #       * dstar5 patches
19.32.52 #       <zeekoe> it's slow...
19.32.59 #       <jdeonarine> I didn't think it was that bad
19.33.02 #       <jdeonarine> on my unit
19.33.05 #       <zeekoe> (/me is antfucker, like we say in holland)
19.33.17 #       <jdeonarine> then again, I don't typically have more than 30 or so files in a folder
19.33.34 #       <zeekoe> uh... i tried it only in one folder
19.33.49 #       <jdeonarine> and when I do, I just add a dummy .display file to keep it from doing the tags
19.34.18 #       <jdeonarine> what does 'antfucker' mean?
19.34.27 #       <zeekoe> uh
19.34.31 #       <jdeonarine> seems like you'd have to be fairly small to do that :/
19.34.40 #       <zeekoe> i think english call it splitting hairs or so
19.34.43 #       <jdeonarine> ah
19.34.43 #       <zeekoe> :P
19.35.10 #       <jdeonarine> interesting that we have so many developers from around the world on this project
19.35.59 #       <zeekoe> i'm no developer
19.36.04 #       <zeekoe> just a script kiddie
19.36.16 #       <zeekoe> copying other peoples code, asking around on #rockbox
19.36.17 #       <jdeonarine> heh :)
19.36.21 #       <zeekoe> and say it's mine :P
19.36.29 #       <jdeonarine> curiosity is good to have
19.37.51 #       <zeekoe> bitmaps are weird
19.37.53 #       <jdeonarine> I wonder how the iPod does its mp3 database...  do you have to refresh it every time you change the music on it?
19.38.03 #       <jdeonarine> never used one before for more than a few minutes
19.38.10 #       <zeekoe> does it use a fat-like system?
19.38.17 #       <jdeonarine> I believe so
19.38.29 #       <jdeonarine> I think you can use it as a mass storage device
19.38.38 #       <zeekoe> yeah, that's true
19.38.47 #       <zeekoe> so it should use a fat-like system..
19.38.56 #       <dstar5> it hink the thing stores files wierd
19.39.01 #       <dstar5> in crytic folders
19.39.12 #       <dstar5> s/crytic/cryptic
19.39.47 #       <jdeonarine> I seem to remember that it stores all the music in a standard filesystem, but that the root directory contains one hidden folder that contains all the rest
19.39.50 #       <zeekoe> cryptic folders == folders with weird names?
19.39.51 #       <jdeonarine> some simple copy protection
19.40.19 #       <dstar5> Apple HFS you think?
19.41.03 #       <zeekoe> is the filesystem handled in the usb chip too btw?
19.41.22 #       <zeekoe> s/handled/being handled of
19.41.36 #       <jdeonarine> no, I think it is FAT
19.41.40 #       <dstar5> actauly.. the way you had it before was right
19.41.44 #       <jdeonarine> because windows understands it natively
19.42.16 #       <jdeonarine> so if you had a dir on your ipod called "Great Music" with a file "Favorite.mp3"
19.42.30 #       <zeekoe> dstar5: whatever... english grammar is weird
19.42.36 #       <zeekoe> :)
19.42.41 #       <jdeonarine> on the ipod, it is stored as Z:\.hidden\Great Music\Favorite.mp3
19.42.55 #       <jdeonarine> not sure about the name of .hidden, but whatever
19.43.10 #       <jdeonarine> well zeek, you speak much better english than I speak any other language :)
19.43.22 #       <zeekoe> :P
19.43.34 #       <zeekoe> you're american? ;-)
19.43.37 #       <jdeonarine> yep
19.44.27 #       <zeekoe> if the ipod uses a hidden dir, do you need a special transfer program to transfer music?
19.44.32 #       <jdeonarine> no
19.44.42 #       <jdeonarine> you just need to be able to see the hidden directory
19.44.50 #       <jdeonarine> like 'show all files' in windows or something similar
19.44.53 #       <zeekoe> hmm
19.44.55 #       <jdeonarine> ls -al
19.44.57 #       <zeekoe> okay...
19.45.10 #       <jdeonarine> at least, that is the way it was explained to me by someone who owns one
19.45.16 #       <zeekoe> but why is it hidden then?
19.45.29 #       <jdeonarine> well, as a simple 'anti-mp3' copy scheme
19.45.47 #       <zeekoe> but how do people get their music on it
19.45.50 #       <jdeonarine> so that you 'think' you need to go through itunes and get the proper authorization
19.45.54 #       <zeekoe> if they dont know about the dir
19.45.57 #       <jdeonarine> itunes
19.45.58 #       <zeekoe> ok
19.46.01 #       <zeekoe> :)
19.46.24 #       <jdeonarine> but if you know what's up, you can take files on or off the unit
19.46.48 #       <zeekoe> so much for copy protection
19.47.10 #       <zeekoe> i wonder what format the av400 uses to record video
19.47.20 #       <zeekoe> it was supposed to be protected too
19.54.08 #       <zeekoe> this thing is hard:
19.54.09 #       <zeekoe> buf2[y*112/8+x] |= ((buf[y/8*112+x*8+i] >> shift) & 0x01) << (7-i);
19.54.53 #       <zeekoe> can see what it's doing
19.54.55 #       <zeekoe> ?
19.55.49 #       <zeekoe> y = 0..63, shift = y & 7 = (int)y/8 = 0..7
19.56.17 #       <jdeonarine> no clue...  tough to say
19.56.17 #       <zeekoe> x = 0..112/8
19.56.21 #       <zeekoe> okay
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19.56.42 #       <zeekoe> WHO WROTE THE USB SCREENSHOT CODE...???!!
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19.59.34 #       <zeekoe> now i know what commenting code is good for...
19.59.41 #       <dstar5> god AOL is a pain in the ass
19.59.48 #       <zeekoe> :P
19.59.52 #       <zeekoe> dialup again?
19.59.57 #       <dstar5> i wish my dada wasnt such a dumbass and would listen to me about it...
20.00.37 #       <zeekoe> does aol still use some weird custom browsing system?
20.00.42 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: i do not really understand how your patch is working yet
20.00.57 #       <dstar5> so it only changes what the file name is?
20.01.31 #       <zeekoe> did you go to menu->general settings->display yet?
20.02.15 #       <dstar5> ?why
20.02.21 #       <dstar5> what is there to see?
20.02.27 #       <zeekoe> there you can turn on the id3 browsing
20.02.35 #       <zeekoe> dunno if it's needed though
20.02.43 #       <dstar5> it is in file view
20.02.48 #       <zeekoe> uh
20.02.49 #       <zeekoe> sorry
20.02.51 #       <zeekoe> :P
20.03.05 #       <zeekoe> and you made a .display?
20.04.00 #       <dstar5> yes
20.04.04 #       <dstar5> ok i got it now
20.04.08 #       <dstar5> kinda usefull
20.04.31 #       <dstar5> i think what would be usefull is a index file, kinda like the ipod
20.04.53 #       <dstar5> and have a option to do that, or just browse the files
20.05.24 #       <zeekoe> what does an index file do?
20.05.58 #       <dstar5> just stores a list of all the files, and maybe have some info to show on it while browsing
20.06.25 #       <dstar5> lie maybe you could have mutipul index files, and have the organized differnt at times
20.07.24 #       <zeekoe> like an id3 database?
20.07.35 #       <dstar5> yes sortof
20.08.04 #       <dstar5> i should search the ma9il ist and see if anyone has mentioned that
20.09.12 #       <dstar5> i bet with the database, you could also dearsh very fast
20.09.44 #       <zeekoe> dearsh?
20.10.29 #       <dstar5> search
20.10.34 #       <zeekoe> ok :)
20.10.38 #       <dstar5> sorry about my erranous typing :)
20.10.46 #       <dstar5> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-06/0186.shtml
20.10.51 #       <zeekoe> i can understand most :)
20.11.29 #       <dstar5> Daniel likes the idea of it...
20.11.41 #       <dstar5> guess no one has found the time to do it
20.11.52 #       <zeekoe> just read... wait..
20.12.05 #       <zeekoe> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1001358&group_id=44306
20.12.12 #       <zeekoe> :)
20.12.34 #       <zeekoe> Obviously, a mp3 id3
20.12.34 #       <zeekoe> database would be more useful, but frankly, I can't
20.12.34 #       <zeekoe> imagine that we would get very good performance based
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20.12.34 #       <zeekoe> on the limited hardware in the Archos. That and this
20.12.34 #       <zeekoe> seemed doable in a weekend :)
20.13.33 #       <dstar5> my only thing is.. how would the database be read?
20.13.51 #       <dstar5> and stored on ram?
20.13.57 #       <zeekoe> rb->read(f,buffer,sizeof(buffer))
20.14.08 #       <zeekoe> rb->memcopy(buffer,ram,sizeof(buffer))
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20.14.20 #       <dstar5> well  yes  but those datbases will be HUGE
20.14.27 #       <zeekoe> hm
20.14.31 #       <zeekoe> you got a point
20.14.39 #       <dstar5> you will only be able to load so much at a time
20.15.22 #       <dstar5> i think a nice indexing plugin wouldn't be hard to write...
20.15.47 #       <dstar5> just put a option in the menus somewhere to "Update Databse"
20.16.06 #       <zeekoe> yes
20.16.47 #       <dstar5> all the functions you need to pull id3 info out of the mp3s is writin
20.18.20 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: wite us code to read database files :)
20.18.34 #       <elinenbe> zeekoe: you implemented the ID3 browsing?
20.18.49 #       <elinenbe> zeekoe: I just added a comment to the sourceforge patch tracker
20.19.04 #       <elinenbe> It looks like you were talking about just that here!
20.19.06 #       <dstar5> elinenbe: that jdeonarine 
20.19.31 #       <elinenbe> ah....
20.19.38 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: you here?  nice work...
20.20.04 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine seems to have left
20.20.09 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: I like your patch.
20.20.13 #       <elinenbe> yeah, I see that!
20.21.11 #       <jdeonarine> hello
20.21.24 #       <jdeonarine> was showering, but I think I came up with a way to do the caching
20.21.32 #       <jdeonarine> I'll see if I can add that today
20.21.36 #       <zeekoe> jdeonarine: elinenbe wants to say y0u 0wn2
20.21.40 #       <jdeonarine> heh
20.21.48 #       <jdeonarine> I am l33t
20.21.52 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: cacheing for what?
20.22.03 #       <jdeonarine> so that I don't have to re-read the id3 tags every time
20.22.07 #       <zeekoe> nice
20.22.16 #       <jdeonarine> it won't be perfect, but I think I can probably make it work
20.22.18 #       <zeekoe> showering is good, sometimes
20.22.30 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, I probably should eat at some point too :)
20.22.36 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: make database browsing!
20.22.49 #       <zeekoe> speaking of eating
20.22.54 #       <zeekoe> it's 20:22 here
20.22.57 #       * zeekoe need food
20.23.07 #       <jdeonarine> database browsing would be very hard :)
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20.23.14 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-06/0186.shtml
20.23.19 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: but it would be most awesome!
20.23.20 #       <dstar5> but me want it :)
20.23.28 #       <jdeonarine> given that I can only add 18kb of code, and I've got only 2mb of memory and 10mhz processor
20.23.37 #       <zeekoe|food> just organise your mp3s...
20.23.38 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: why only 18k of code?
20.23.46 #       <zeekoe|food> 11.0537 MHz
20.23.47 #       <zeekoe|food> or so
20.23.57 #       <dstar5> zeekoe|food: see how thye have it
20.24.11 #       <dstar5> where you can browse by albums/artists/genre etc
20.24.13 #       <zeekoe|food> dstar5: who has what?
20.24.16 #       <dstar5> that would be better
20.24.21 #       <dstar5> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-06/0186.shtml
20.24.28 #       <dstar5> read the quoted text
20.24.33 #       <jdeonarine> the current build size is 182k, and I think 200 is the max for the load-from-hdd builds
20.24.58 #       <jdeonarine> and the more ram we eat, the less mp3 cache you can have
20.25.00 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: unfortunatly :(
20.25.15 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: a bootloader will solve that problem... that should not be too much of an issue.
20.25.27 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, but someone has to approve these patches
20.25.38 #       <jdeonarine> and I'd rather make them easy to approve than require a bootloader or something
20.25.46 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: there are always plugins as well.
20.25.47 #       <dstar5> my poor achos has no flash :(
20.26.06 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, plugins, but I didn't really see that the plugins can interface back to the tree browser
20.26.12 #       <jdeonarine> seems like the plugins are loaded seperately
20.26.24 #       <jdeonarine> and I would think you'd want to integrate with the existing tree browser
20.26.39 #       <elinenbe> jdeonarine: If you make something that is worthy, it will be implemented.
20.26.46 #       <zeekoe|food> and plugins can only be 16 kb, iirc (?)
20.26.47 #       <elinenbe> what you've done already looks great!
20.26.52 #       <jdeonarine> thank you :)
20.26.53 #       <dstar5> i know there is some code that can be moved to plugins...
20.26.59 #       <dstar5> like the playlist viewer
20.27.05 #       <jdeonarine> I hope the maintainers agree
20.29.19 #       <elinenbe> I'll make them agree :)
20.29.25 #       <dstar5> i wonder whats going on to take up some much time while the archos flashed firmware boots
20.30.09 #       <zeekoe|food> wait(HZ*12)
20.30.25 #       <dstar5> maybe
20.30.54 #       <zeekoe|food> hmm... 12 seconds isnt it?
20.31.00 #       <dstar5> i think some code in the debug menu can be removed
20.31.03 #       <dstar5> like running time
20.31.08 #       <dstar5> that is usekess...
20.31.31 #       <zeekoe|food> that's about 11E6 * 12 = 133 million clocksycles
20.31.46 #       <zeekoe|food> 132
20.32.02 #       <dstar5> actually.. that is a good idea..      make that a build time option to include the debug menu..
20.32.15 #       <dstar5> after all.. that will remove a bit of unneeded code
20.33.25 #       <jdeonarine> thanks all for your support!
20.33.51 #       <dstar5> and did anyone know that ON+F1 went to id3 info?
20.34.07 #       <zeekoe|food> i did
20.34.09 #       <dstar5> that could be removed or moved, since no one knows about it
20.34.18 #       <zeekoe|food> just found it out by accident
20.34.34 #       <dstar5> there was another key combo that mutes...
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20.34.42 #       <zeekoe|food> yep
20.34.47 #       <zeekoe|food> on+f2 or so
20.34.53 #       <dstar5> thta cold be removed since no one knows about it, and plus you caqn just pause
20.34.54 #       <zeekoe|food> who needs muting anyway
20.35.05 #       <jdeonarine> yeah, I never understood the purpose of muting
20.35.17 #       <jdeonarine> why do I want the song to continue when I can't hear it?
20.35.25 #       <jdeonarine> maybe if you are watching a video?
20.35.30 #       <dstar5> i should make a patch with just a bunch of random fixes like that
20.35.45 #       <dstar5> jdeonarine: wouldnot work in video
20.35.53 #       <dstar5> that is a oplugin, and does not apply there
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20.42.06 #       <dstar5> me go by for a bit
20.42.09 #       <dstar5> see you
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20.45.50 #       <zeekoe|food> uh
20.45.52 #       <zeekoe|food> bye :)
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20.58.38 #       <zeekoe> midk: you should sleep some more
20.58.52 #       <midk> egh... shh.
20.59.00 #       <midk> i used my clock tonight
20.59.05 #       <zeekoe> clockbox?
20.59.15 #       <midk> yep
20.59.26 #       <zeekoe> used it for what?
20.59.49 #       <midk> a clock
21.00.10 #       <zeekoe> why tonight?
21.00.37 #       <zeekoe> or are you just saying "hey, look, at least somebody thinks my clock is useful!"
21.01.00 #       <midk> ok stfu....
21.01.05 #       <midk> my brother took my alarm clock.
21.01.11 #       <zeekoe> ok
21.01.20 #       <zeekoe> does the clock have an alarm function?
21.02.45 #       <midk> not really.
21.03.09 #       <zeekoe> ok
21.03.15 #       <zeekoe> so how did you wake up?
21.03.42 #       <midk> i woke up whenever
21.03.48 #       <midk> but i checked my clock to see the time
21.04.00 #       <zeekoe> ok, nice
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21.04.19 #       <midk> ..
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21.05.10 #       <midk> oops.
21.05.15 #       <midk> any opinions on the update?
21.05.48 #       <zeekoe> which update?
21.05.50 #       <zeekoe> the clock?
21.05.53 #       <zeekoe> oh
21.05.58 #       <zeekoe> i have to see the progress bar
21.06.01 #       <zeekoe> forget to look
21.06.22 #       <midk> puh
21.06.50 #       <midk> the credits roll is more nifty
21.08.21 #       <zeekoe> brb
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21.11.01 #       <zeekoe> 7h3 (?3d|75 ?011 100<5 n|(3
21.11.48 #       <zeekoe> ==the credits roll looks nice
21.12.08 #       <zeekoe> never seen the credits before
21.12.14 #       <zeekoe> they're quite well hidden
21.12.30 #       <midk> ...
21.12.34 #       <midk> you press ON.
21.12.38 #       <midk> lol
21.12.44 #       <zeekoe> uh
21.12.44 #       <zeekoe> ok
21.12.48 #       <midk> you mean
21.12.49 #       <zeekoe> i thought it was on+play
21.13.04 #       <midk> ..no.
21.13.13 #       <zeekoe> but the credits take a loooong time
21.13.30 #       <midk> if you want to really read the names, go ahead.
21.13.31 #       <midk> :]
21.13.47 #       <midk> brb
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21.15.35 #       <zeekoe> r0cK80X 0wn4G3
21.16.09 #       <midk> |2 () ( |< |3 () ><   P \/\/ |\| /\ (- [-
21.16.11 #       <zeekoe> 1 PHouNd 4 L3375p33k 7r4N5l47or, 15N7 17 N1c3?
21.16.30 #       <midk> muh
21.16.41 #       <zeekoe> and a leetifier for xchat
21.16.50 #       <zeekoe> but that one 5uX0rz
21.17.06 #       <zeekoe> ?0(<b0x 0wn4g3
21.17.20 #       <zeekoe> http://www.jayssite.com/stuff/l33t/l33t_translator.html
21.17.23 #       <midk> what do you think about the arrows at the mode selector?
21.17.30 #       <zeekoe> uh
21.17.34 #       <zeekoe> they look like arrows
21.17.40 #       <midk> never mind
21.18.17 #       <zeekoe> i like the binary clock
21.18.38 #       <midk> dstar5 wrote a fuzzy mode... but i don't think i'm going to put it in
21.18.45 #       <zeekoe> fuzzy mode?
21.19.07 #       <midk> as in... Five past six
21.19.10 #       <zeekoe> ok
21.19.14 #       <midk> quarter after seven
21.19.17 #       <zeekoe> that's cool
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21.19.21 #       <midk> ten til nine
21.19.26 #       <Smooth> Hi
21.19.29 #       <zeekoe> hi
21.19.33 #       <Smooth> Whatever happened to othello plugin?
21.19.41 #       <zeekoe> it died in my hands
21.19.44 #       <midk> it was removed
21.19.46 #       <Smooth> why
21.19.54 #       <midk> it was authored by bluechip
21.19.56 #       <zeekoe> s/hands/arms
21.19.58 #       <midk> apparently zagor didn't like that
21.20.10 #       <zeekoe> is that so bad?
21.20.18 #       <midk> i didn't decide, zeekoe
21.20.22 #       <midk> it was really stupid imo
21.20.24 #       <Smooth> yeaa
21.20.33 #       <Smooth> m********n has been quiet in sourceforge
21.20.48 #       <midk> where's that tracktheripper?
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21.21.08 #       <Smooth> be quiet mikeholden
21.21.23 #       <zeekoe> mikeh0lden
21.21.41 #       <Smooth> no, mik3holden
21.21.47 #       <Smooth> or m1keholden
21.21.48 #       <zeekoe> m1keholden
21.21.51 #       <zeekoe> :P
21.21.56 #       <zeekoe> m|<3h01d3n
21.22.14 #       <Smooth> or nedlohekim
21.22.22 #       <zeekoe> ppmmffpmpmppmfpppfpmfmpmmppppp
21.22.24 #       <midk> Smooth, why do you have a mikeholden obsession?
21.22.37 #       <Smooth> he is a bully
21.22.37 #       <zeekoe> don't you understand?
21.22.42 #       <zeekoe> he _is_ mikeholden
21.22.53 #       <zeekoe> he just doesnt know yet
21.22.59 #       <midk> j00 R T3h g4Y
21.23.01 #       <midk> i knew it.
21.23.31 #       <Smooth> never, ever trust anyone who's neame begins with mi
21.23.38 #       <zeekoe> muahaha
21.23.55 #       <Smooth> they are now selling ipod minis in Argos
21.24.08 #       <zeekoe> ?
21.24.15 #       <zeekoe> archos is selling ipod minis?
21.25.03 #       <Smooth> If the ipod mini uses a CFII Microdrive I wonder if its possible to substitute it for a 4Gb Type II CompactFlash card
21.25.51 #       <midk> yes, but they cost thousands
21.25.56 #       <Smooth> so?
21.26.14 #       <zeekoe> the new ipod minis are going to use 6 GB 1" hard disks, perhaps without CF interface
21.26.24 #       <zeekoe> so the old ones have CF interface
21.26.37 #       <Smooth> ok
21.29.43 #       <Smooth> whatever
21.30.23 #       <zeekoe> hm
21.30.30 #       <zeekoe> what's all this stuff in the logs:
21.30.31 #       <zeekoe> 00.52.09 #       <zeekoe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/guest/apps'
21.30.31 #       <zeekoe> 00.52.10 ***     Alert Mode level 6
21.30.46 #       <zeekoe> 00.50.57 Nick    zeekoe|toofbruzj is now known as zeekoe (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl)
21.30.46 #       <zeekoe> 00.50.57 DBUG    Enqueued KICK zeekoe
21.32.24 #       <zeekoe> Smooth: you dont want ipod mini
21.32.27 #       <zeekoe> they suck
21.32.31 #       <zeekoe> they dont have rockbox
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21.32.45 #       <zeekoe> muahha
21.35.16 #       <zeekoe> gotta go
21.35.36 #       <zeekoe> morning/noon/nite
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21.54.56 #       <midk> bbl
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22.42.50 #       <amiconn> hi Jörg
22.43.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> good evening Jens
22.43.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> friday I was looking for you, but don't remember why...
22.44.15 #       <amiconn> I got it Saturday morning - didn't logout before falling asleep...
22.44.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> on the keyboard?
22.45.16 #       <amiconn> Of course not...
22.46.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> one thought: you keep telling people how to make videos with the yuv intermediate step, this is so retro
22.46.09 #       <amiconn> I'm currently trying to const-police as much as possible. I found a variable I'm wondering about
22.46.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the DirectShow tool is much better
22.46.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> const, OK
22.46.48 #       <dstar5> amiconn, i was thinking...         couldn't the debug menu be taken out, and made just a compile time option?         it should save a bit of memory
22.46.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are you working on the font?
22.47.11 #       <amiconn> Yes, the command line tool chain is retro, but I didn't even install the DirectShow thingy
22.47.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> dstar5: some of it is outdated, some could be a plugin
22.47.47 #       <dstar5> then take out the outdated stuff :)
22.48.00 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: No, not yet. Currently I'm walking all source files that contribute to the .data section if the data is really variable
22.48.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how much did you find?
22.48.56 #       <jdeonarine> hello all :)
22.49.17 #       <amiconn> I'm not yet through, but found 86 bytes in 3 files yet.
22.49.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> big runtime improvement ;-)
22.50.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> soory, I know, I'm a perfectionist myself
22.50.12 #       <amiconn> Yes, but if I do stuff, I want to do it all the way through
22.50.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (at least sometimes)
22.50.34 #       <dstar5> heh
22.50.39 #       <dstar5> i think lots of us are
22.51.00 #       <dstar5> including me
22.51.57 #       <amiconn> AH, found it (that variable). Can be const'ed as well
22.53.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is there a way to get a more detailled mapfile?
22.54.12 #       <amiconn> In what way? Iiuc the mapfile can only contain public symbols, because it's generated by the linker. Unfortunately "static" produces hidden symbols...
22.56.06 #       <dwihno> Just a quicky... Has the pitch control been removed?
22.56.12 #       <amiconn> Grr,  warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
22.56.36 #       <dstar5> dwihno, why would it be removed?
22.56.59 #       <dwihno> on+play used to trigger the pitch control
22.57.39 #       <dstar5> umm          it was always just holding on iirc
22.57.46 #       <dwihno> ah, it was.
22.57.48 #       <dwihno> me so senile
22.58.06 #       <dwihno> is the pitch triggered immediately or does it still require a track change?
22.58.21 #       <dstar5> immediatly
22.58.34 #       <dwihno> (that behaviour appeared after some changes as well)
22.58.56 #       <dstar5> last time i played with it atleast
22.59.13 #       <dstar5> heh            it has come to my attention now that the pitch setting is not saved
23.00.41 #       <dwihno> true
23.00.49 #       <dwihno> time for a fresh cvs checkout
23.00.59 #       <dwihno> hm
23.01.03 #       <dwihno> cvs fails
23.01.15 #       <dwihno> might be my connection
23.01.52 #       <dstar5> did you do cvs update?
23.02.33 #       <dwihno> I get connection timed out
23.04.41 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Do you remember where the STR() macro is defined? I'm currently fiddling with the opt_items structure...
23.04.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in talk.h ?
23.05.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the options are const already...
23.05.45 #       <amiconn> Ok, thanks.
23.06.04 #       <amiconn> One of the option values actually isn't const...
23.06.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> one of the structs, you mean?
23.06.31 #       <amiconn> No
23.07.30 #       <amiconn> In settings.c, there is a char rec_base_directory[], initialized with "/recordings"
23.07.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that kind, aha
23.08.07 #       <amiconn> If I change this to const (in settings.h as well), I get my beloved warning (see above).
23.09.00 #       <amiconn> To make this go away, I have to change the declaration of struct opt_items. The first member has to be a const char*
23.09.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok
23.09.34 #       <amiconn> As these are often initailized via the STR() macro, I wonder if this may break something
23.10.35 #       <amiconn> Aside of that, I even have to look into lcd_puts(), if I can declare its char* argument constant
23.12.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm sure you can
23.12.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it won't modify the string
23.12.44 #       <amiconn> Unfortunately I can't... it munges the string on the sim
23.13.08 #       <amiconn> Ah no, it doesn't
23.13.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I hate these snowball effects
23.13.53 #       <amiconn> Once I'm through with const policeing, it should be much easier to declare things const...
23.14.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I'm looking forward to that
23.14.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> something else: i still have no working gcc 3.3.1
23.14.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> gives me a strange asm error
23.15.45 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Do you use Eric Lassauge's package, or did you try to compile yourself?
23.16.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I used the binary
23.16.31 #       <amiconn> Btw: modifying lcd_puts() in turn requires modifying lcd_puts_style(), in turn requires modifying lcd_getstringsize() ...
23.16.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this is the snowball I was talking about
23.17.24 #       <amiconn> (gcc) Hmm, strange, that's what I use, and it works perfectly (unlike my failed attempts to compile gcc 3.3.x on cygwin)
23.17.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in mine, the asm complains about a -big option
23.18.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I guess this is endianess, but I can't find such in our makefiles
23.19.21 #       <dstar5> humm
23.19.22 #       <dstar5> tar: gcc-3.4.1/gcc/ada/lib-xref.adb: Cannot change ownership to uid 515, gid 515: Operation not permitted
23.19.27 #       <dstar5> (while untaring gcc)
23.19.34 #       <dstar5> any ideas?
23.19.45 #       <dstar5> i tried the bzip.. gives the the same errors
23.19.47 #       <amiconn> maybe your sh-binutils don't match your sh-gcc?
23.19.58 #       <amiconn> (directed to [IDC]Dragon)
23.20.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do the binutils come with it?
23.20.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm not familiar with the concept
23.20.43 #       <amiconn> It's a separate package, available from Eric's mirror as well
23.21.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
23.21.36 #       <amiconn> The binutils contain (among other things I don't know about yet) the assembler and linker. So if you use a newer gcc with an older asm, it may well be that it doesn't work
23.21.46 #       <dstar5> heh, those errors go away when i untar elsewhere
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23.22.01 #       * [IDC]Dragon is downloading
23.22.07 #       <amiconn> Grrrrrrrrrrr, now it complains in plugin.c
23.23.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> will the old compiler work with newer binutils?
23.24.18 #       <jdeonarine> I believe that the versions are likely linked
23.24.48 #       <amiconn> It should (although the gcc & binutils packages from eric's mirrors use a different prefix than those containing gcc 3.0.4, so you can simply select between them by changing the PATH)
23.27.18 #       <amiconn> Yeah, now it compiles without warning... I guess I should do a test now...
23.30.40 #       <dstar5> i forget how fast linux is at compiling :)
23.33.13 #       <dstar5> what was it you were noe supposed to do with rm?            rm -rf /usr ?
23.33.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I still get strange errors
23.33.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I give up for today
23.33.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> goodnight
23.33.52 #       <amiconn> Nite..
23.33.59 #       <amiconn> Btw, it seems to work
23.44.31 #       <amiconn> Found another table that wasn't const - rec_timner_seconds[]
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