--- Log for 09.08.104 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 11 days and 21 hours ago 00.12.38 # lol like that guess the mp3 feature request 00.12.55 # bc wrote a plugin for that iirc 00.13.19 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC528A6.ipt.aol.com) 00.18.19 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 00.24.50 Part amiconn 00.27.05 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC0B3F8.ipt.aol.com) 00.41.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.00.30 Join sol [0] (~jirc@user-112vaha.biz.mindspring.com) 01.00.35 # hello 01.00.48 # hi 01.00.59 # this is rockbox irc right? 01.01.06 # yes 01.01.16 # ok may i ask for some advice? 01.01.29 # today, on the train to work, 01.01.42 # you dropped it? 01.01.46 # suddenly song titles (filenames) were no longer appearing 01.02.05 # yet, initially, i could see them and select songs 01.02.06 # yes, that'd be because your files are incorrectly id3 tagged. 01.02.12 # sol: do you see the files while on usb? 01.02.13 # i'd suggest you create your own wps 01.02.18 # i think it is worse than that 01.02.27 # i mean NO FILES 01.02.33 # that would be it if the rest of the info was still there.. 01.02.38 # oh, you couldn't see them at all? 01.02.45 # and when i now connect via usb2 to xp box 01.02.46 # midk: DUH! 01.02.59 # it is NOT recognized as mass storage device! 01.03.04 # dstar5, congrats. you've reached the next level of immaturity 01.03.44 # sol: can you go to main menu, info, debug (keep out), and view partitions? 01.03.57 # one sec. 01.03.59 # tell me what that says 01.04.22 # yes 01.04.28 # P0: S:3F 01.04.36 # T:C 19061 MB 01.04.52 # well... the partition shouls still be there... 01.04.58 # i have a feeling it is a corrupt fs 01.05.07 # i noticed odd filenames recently 01.05.26 # and the kicker is 01.05.37 # that when i mounted on a linux machine 01.05.45 # less free space was avail. 01.05.56 # sol: well, the drive shold still be recognised even if the partiion is dead 01.06.16 # it is not recognized from XP box 01.06.30 # midk: remember how that router runs linux, but the matching pci card doesn't have native linux support? 01.06.54 # midk: here's something funny... i got stuff to telnet into the router, and i cat'd /proc/pci and guess what 01.06.56 # yeah 01.07.02 # midk: the router uses the SAME chipset as the pci card 01.07.20 # hehe 01.07.40 # sol: well.. i can't tell you anything really... 01.07.43 # umm 01.07.49 # ol 01.07.50 # ok 01.07.52 # so there actually is a native linux driver for that card, basically 01.08.01 # probably, yes 01.08.04 # except they haven't released it publically 01.08.11 # anyhow 01.08.15 # ze, well why doesn't it work then? tell me that 01.08.28 # if i have to make a new fs - what is it so be vfat? 01.08.39 # and i bet it's binary-only in the source release they have of the "firmware" 01.08.48 # sol: fat32 01.08.48 # midk: why doesn't what work? 01.08.59 # just one partition? 01.09.00 # sol: vfat on linux... 01.09.02 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.12 # ze: i mean why didn't your linux driver work with your pci card right away? 01.09.15 # you can make multiple partitions... 01.09.26 # and seeings how the router uses a MIPS cpu, i can't even use the binary driver on the pc 01.09.30 # but i see no need to 01.09.37 # can = should? 01.09.41 # ok 01.09.42 # midk: what linux driver? i haven't even tried to get it working yet 01.09.42 Join gromit`` [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-18-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.09.42 # thanx 01.09.48 # i'll give it a try when i get 01.09.49 # home 01.09.55 # what a bummer 01.09.57 # midk: the only native linux driver that exists for that chipset 01.09.58 # sol: hope you get that :) 01.09.58 # ze, uh, you tried yestarday, didn't you? 01.10.04 # midk: is on the router 01.10.06 # yesterday* 01.10.10 # no, i still haven't installed the OS on there 01.10.13 # like i told you 01.10.24 # the pci card. 01.10.26 # not the router 01.10.32 # yes 01.10.39 # are you talking about that one routr that you can install linux on? 01.10.39 # i still haven't installed the OS on the pc that the pci card is in 01.10.45 # so how can i try a driver 01.10.53 # dstar5: it's not just that you can install it on it 01.10.57 # ze, you just TRIED YESTERDAY. 01.10.59 # dstar5: it comes with linux on it 01.11.16 # dstar5: the linksys wrt54g and wrt54gs 01.11.20 # (we've got the gs) 01.11.39 # :) i have heard about those :) 01.11.47 # the linux deal for it is actually just a telnetd and set of basic commands so you can telnet in and check it out 01.12.16 # i heard that wa done through a flaw in the ping 01.12.21 # and also linksys released the "firmware" (read: their own linux distro) for it source 01.12.24 # yeah 01.12.34 # and there's forked versions of that firmware available that you can flash on it 01.13.01 # but the page i found that links to their firmware source download page mentions that they released the source to "all but a few binary-only drivers" 01.13.12 # which probably includes the wifi chipset driver :/ 01.13.15 # but i'm gonna check anyway 01.13.16 # heh 01.13.23 # i'm downloading the source... it's 150mb 01.13.27 # gzip'd 01.13.28 # heh 01.13.41 # 150mb? holy shit. 01.13.51 # thta shouldnot take long 01.13.52 # well figure it's probably the kernel source 01.13.56 # plus source to various other stuff 01.14.20 # well i got about 36 minutes left 01.14.21 # i could get that in about 30 secs or less :) 01.14.26 # at the library 01.14.29 # heh 01.14.29 # thanx fellas - be back soon 01.14.33 Quit sol ("Leaving") 01.14.39 # i'm on 384/96 dsl 01.14.43 # uh, i thought the connection was 1.5 megabytes a second max? that 01.14.47 # the kernel source uncompressed is a few hundred mb... 01.14.49 # that's assuming the server can upload that fast 01.15.02 # midk: would be for 10mbit NIC 01.15.16 # "for 10mbit NIC"? 01.15.18 # midk: i do get servers sometimes that fast though... 01.15.22 # what do you mean, for? 01.15.27 # 10mbits= 1.5mbytes 01.15.28 # my uncompressed 2.4.25 source tree is 191mb 01.15.33 # so.. 150mb at 1.5mbps isn't 30 seconds 01.15.41 # actually 1.25 sin't it 01.15.43 # heh 01.15.52 # 10/8 01.15.53 # somethign like that 01.16.03 # 1.25 01.16.04 # yes 01.16.14 # so 100mbit 01.16.20 # is 12.5MB/s 01.16.21 # try something more like 100 seconds 01.16.22 # 12.5mbytes 01.16.34 # max, not counting tcp overhead and whatever else slows shit down 01.16.42 # i have downloaded fedora in 1min 45 secs :) 01.16.54 # (1 disk) 01.16.56 # of it 01.17.11 # 150mb would take 30 seconds to download at 5MB/s 01.17.36 # 10Mbit NIC is 10 000 000bit NIC, remember that too - so it's not binary megs 01.17.37 # heh. fedora is ~700mb. you can'd do 700mb at 1.5mbps in 1m 45s 01.17.47 # Hadaka: gah 01.17.49 # heh 01.17.55 # it'd take more like 400 seconds 01.18.00 # damn stupid hardware makers 01.18.03 # assuming again that the mirror was that fast 01.18.09 # which they RARELY are 01.18.12 # midk: the librars's NICS are 100mbit 01.18.12 # it's binary stuff 01.18.21 # the mirror was local.... 01.18.23 # i can see the utility of representing the measurement in base-10 01.18.24 # same city as me 01.18.25 # it's easier to read for people 01.18.32 # but you shouldn't actually make the measurements in base-10 01.18.44 # heh 01.19.47 # i dunno i guess it's all mixed up anyway 01.19.53 # dstar5, your internet connection limits the speed, usually, not the NIC 01.20.20 # midk: OSU has a oc connection... 01.20.23 # not sure which one 01.20.38 # but still, if it's n bits, it's (2^n/8) bytes, and bytes/2^10 kb, and kb/2^10 mb 01.20.41 # you get 1.5mbps. you told me that. 01.20.43 # stfu! 01.21.03 # no i didn't 01.21.06 # midk: when did he say that? 01.21.15 # not to you. to me 01.21.21 # heh 01.21.36 # you can see it 01.21.59 # when i am at the library tomorrow, ill make a screnshot of me going at faster than 1.25 mbytes 01.22.07 # heh 01.22.08 # 1 . 5 m b p s 01.22.10 # ONE. POINT. FIVE. 01.22.18 # what gets 1.5 01.22.24 # 10mbit is only 1.25 01.22.28 # so if he can even get 1.5 01.22.33 # then he must be on 100mbit 01.22.41 # :) 01.22.50 # ze: he told me, that his speed, was, 1.5mbps. i'd like to see a screenshot of this. 01.22.53 # in which case he can get whatever the internet connection can do 01.22.55 # i can make mutible ones of you want, just incase you think i am faking 01.23.06 # and if it's got an oc-something 01.23.07 # i will even take a webcam tomorrow, and make screnies that way 01.23.10 # then i'm sure it can do better than 1.5 01.23.12 # heh 01.23.21 # ill show a note next to the monitoa also so you know :) 01.23.24 # ze: i want to SEE this. do you not understand? 01.23.41 # i never saw him say anything about 1.5mb/s 01.23.51 # and even if he did, was that specifically in reference to the library's connection? 01.23.54 # heh 01.23.57 # midk: brain fart? 01.24.00 # because you're never in the oft-occurring private chates we partake in 01.24.09 # i see 01.24.11 # used to, that is 01.24.18 # heh 01.24.24 # my water bottle's gone retarded 01.24.25 # even if he said it in the channel you wouldn't have noticed 01.24.29 # i thought i heard midk's brain fart! 01.24.31 # damn dasani bottles are all lame and stuff 01.24.43 # i drop it twice and now 2 of the little feet dealy (which are dumb anyway) got squished in 01.24.50 # so it barely stands up on a hard surface and not at all on carpet 01.25.01 # lol 01.25.12 # i could use a cherry coke right now 01.25.18 # heh 01.25.27 # my parents bought diet pepsi or whatever it is 01.25.38 # and a bottle of cherry syrup to add to it to make cherry pepsi 01.25.41 # but semi-"diet" 01.25.43 # lol 01.25.50 # good one 01.25.50 # even though cherry syrup + diet pepsi 01.25.57 # probably has just as much sugar as cherry pepsi 01.25.59 # heh 01.26.09 # plus toxic artificial sweeteners 01.26.10 # :p 01.26.38 Join sol [0] (~jirc@user-112vaha.biz.mindspring.com) 01.26.46 # they bought it at sams club or costco too 01.26.55 # so it's not just like some little bottle of cherry syrup 01.26.57 # it's like a gallon of it 01.27.07 # ze: you live on west coast? 01.27.13 # yeah 01.27.22 # ok, got the fm juke to be recognized as usb mass storage 01.27.33 # sol: good :) 01.27.40 # only prob = still no filenames 01.27.41 # sol: any more problems? 01.27.51 # i can see all files when mounted from XP box 01.28.17 # umm 01.28.19 # but can't see music while going thru folders in rockbox 01.28.35 Nick midk is now known as midk|brb (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.28.36 Quit gromit`` ("Client exiting") 01.28.41 # sol: maybe you can try pressing F2, and change the Show files settting to all files 01.29.08 # why 01.29.15 # i can see all the files from xp 01.29.33 # sol do you always umount (in linux) or eject/"safely remove hardware" (in windows) before unplugging the device? 01.29.37 # sol: he means in rockbox 01.29.40 # it may be for some reason that the mp3's are hidden... rockbox does not show them, unless you are showing all fiels 01.29.49 # hmm 01.30.48 # damn i'm a moron 01.30.51 # thanx! 01.31.03 # sol: :) 01.31.11 # sol: you don't sound likea moron 01.31.20 # sol: you can use linux right :) 01.31.51 # i can 01.32.17 # lazy is more like it - need to skim the rockbox doc.s 01.32.39 # sol: and better than someone that just pooped in a knoppix, you can actauly mount a device :) 01.32.59 # lol 01.33.25 # thanx ze and dstar5 01.33.57 # welcome 01.34.13 # can rockbox use other fs than vfat? 01.34.49 # sol: nope fat is supported because most users are in windows, and cant use partions like ext2/3 or reiser fs or whatever 01.35.18 Join gromit`` [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-18-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.35.28 # and adding support would take more room valuable in rockbox 01.35.31 # gotta say, i love my rockbox! got the thing on ebay for $60, fixed it - today was my first problem :) 01.35.43 # sol: 60$ nice! 01.35.58 # yes, the doof used the wrong a/c adapter b4 01.36.14 # and the battery terminals were bent so that they no longer contacted 01.36.20 # sol: heh mine came with a bad one also, and also alkaline abtteries in ti ouch! 01.36.53 # i just need to get off my azz and put a mini jack in the car so i can listen on the road 01.37.00 # but i don't think the person actauly used it with those batteries, just popped those in when it was sold 01.37.34 # sol: :) 01.39.09 # heh 01.42.32 Nick midk|brb is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.47.04 # ipods are whimpy! 01.47.42 Quit Smooth (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.48.18 Quit sol ("Leaving") 01.48.24 Join sol [0] (~jirc@user-112vaha.biz.mindspring.com) 01.49.40 # ipods are whimpy! 01.53.39 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 01.54.09 # ah this firmware source comes with the whole build environment apparently 01.54.48 # and glibc source 01.55.05 # and linux kernel source 01.55.18 # and holy crap it's taking up a lot of space untarring 01.55.28 # haha 01.55.29 # how much 01.55.33 # err 01.55.35 # ok that was weird 01.55.40 # i had 1.1G free or so to start 01.55.48 # uh oh. 01.55.51 # and it got down to only 385MB free 01.55.59 # and then it started going back up 01.56.08 # and there was 567mb free 01.56.09 # heh 01.56.22 # are you done with your stupid busy-ness now? 01.56.22 # now there's 320mb free 01.56.35 # i haven't even installed the OS on the pvr system 01.56.36 # so now 01.56.37 # er 01.56.38 # no 01.56.38 # heh 01.56.43 # ok 708MB uncompressed 01.56.44 # heh 01.57.45 # ze what are u doing? (if u don't mind me asking) 01.57.51 # blah 01.58.05 # the wl driver is indeed a bunch of .o files just waiting for linking into a module 01.58.13 # hmm but they're not stripped 01.58.22 # i wonder if they could be reverse engineered by somebody who knows how to do such things 01.58.26 # heh 01.59.37 # sol: setting up a PVR system 01.59.45 # sol: and i gotta get this linksys wifi card working on it too 02.00.27 # ah 02.00.28 # i was hoping i could steal the native linux driver for it from the linux distro that comes on the router/wap that uses the same wifi chipset 02.00.36 # but it's binary-only compiled for MIPS 02.00.48 # jeez 02.00.49 # so i gotta use this ndiswrapper deal to use the windows driver in linux for it 02.00.52 # isn't that retarded? 02.00.52 # heh 02.01.10 # sounds frustrating 02.03.50 # i have directv, thus was forced to use directivo :( 02.03.57 # heh 02.04.17 # you can't hook directv to a tv card somehow? 02.04.28 # or just not with the quality you want? 02.04.35 # right 02.05.03 # plus, the directv receiver can not be controlled by tv card 02.05.17 # well there's usually ways around that 02.05.24 # if nothing else, with an IR transmitter 02.05.24 # heh 02.05.31 # ugh 02.05.48 Join dstar5 [0] (lee@IC62.library.oregonstate.edu) 02.06.13 # yeah i guess i'm more inclined to rig and hack stuff together than most people 02.06.37 # anyone want to see my dl speed? 02.06.42 # sure 02.06.49 # i can make a screenie right qucik :) 02.08.22 # its a little slower than i wanted 02.08.25 # heh 02.08.35 # only 1.9 mbytes ps 02.09.00 # *2.9 sorry! 02.09.03 # heh 02.09.36 # still pretty good 02.10.54 # :) 02.11.06 # thanks dstar 02.11.23 # beat that :) 02.11.37 # can't 02.14.57 Quit sol ("Leaving") 02.29.30 # doh 02.29.42 # so it turns out that my filesystems on that system are xfs 02.29.52 # which might be why partition magic didn't support it 02.29.53 # heh 02.30.00 # but so i made this parted bootcd 02.30.02 # and got it going 02.30.07 # and go to copy the filesystem 02.30.17 # and "reading xfs filesystem not supported yet" 02.30.20 # :/ 02.30.25 # HAHA 02.30.28 # no wonder. idiot. 02.30.30 # ;] 02.30.37 # but why doesn't parted support it 02.30.39 # heh 02.36.44 # hmm 02.36.47 Quit midk ("just STOP it arspy") 02.36.52 # the kernel i used apparently doesn't have xfs support... blah 02.37.13 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 02.37.16 # the kernel i used apparently doesn't have xfs support... blah 02.37.16 # :p 02.37.18 # partition magic sticks 02.37.25 # sticks? 02.37.30 # you mean stinks? 02.37.31 # heh 02.37.37 # doesnt support many FSA types, and it says my jukebox drive is bad because of settings on sector 63 02.37.39 # well yeah but i'm using parted now 02.37.43 # yes stinks 02.38.54 # got i've wasted like 10 cd's on making bootable partition editing cd's 02.38.54 # heh 02.39.31 # ok this one with an xfs-supporting kernel better support copying xfs partitions 02.39.31 # :p 02.39.44 # there is no good partition maker/editor ;( 02.39.59 # parted seems ok as far as i can tell 02.40.11 # but does not support all partitions... 02.40.31 # like what? 02.41.00 # ntfs for one 02.41.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.40 # gah. 02.42.51 # even with the xfs-supporting kernel parted still doesn't support xfs 02.42.54 # so yeah i see what you mean 02.43.06 # grr so another cd wasted for no reason 02.43.07 # :p 02.43.14 # ? 02.43.58 # i burned another cd with parted with an xfs-supporting kernel 02.44.15 # so i guess i just gotta do it with like cp -a 02.44.16 # or something 02.44.17 # heh 02.44.18 # lol 02.44.56 # lets see... 02.45.06 # does tar catch anything that cp -a might miss? 02.45.38 # who knows... i would think sothough, it was made for unix, and should support all attributes 02.45.56 # which, cp -a? 02.45.57 # heh 02.46.06 # i know tar would not work on masosx, since the files on it have a ttributes that tar does not support 02.47.40 # why would you have xfs on your sytem anyway? lol 02.47.50 # er why not? 02.48.01 # i use it on this system too 02.48.02 # why not just use the native ext3? 02.48.07 # because i had an ext3 partition 02.48.11 # and something happened to it 02.48.15 # and it corrupted the filesystem 02.48.20 # and i never was able to recover any data from it 02.48.23 # i lost my whole /home 02.48.23 # :( 02.48.30 # so it's like a lot of good ext3 journalling does 02.48.34 # it just lets errors go undetected 02.48.41 # i wonder about reiser fs... 02.49.15 # i dunno 02.49.18 # i forget what it was 02.49.26 # it seems like i looked into reiserfs and xfs both 02.49.35 # and for some reason decided to go with xfs 02.50.10 # although i've still had some funkyness with xfs too 02.50.16 # the deal with the ext3 screwup 02.50.18 # i've got like 02.50.24 # via+amd+nvidia 02.50.32 # which altogether has some sorta bugs 02.50.35 # http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html they say its faster... scroll down to the graphs... 02.50.39 # where it's prone to hardlocks when you use the video card 02.50.42 # in 3D 02.50.57 # and i played quake3 a lot 02.51.02 # ext3 with journaling is slowest :P 02.51.03 # lol 02.51.04 # so i'd get a lot of hardlocks and have to reset 02.51.17 # and it was after several of those that the ext3 filesystem started acting strange 02.51.22 # free space not showing up properly 02.51.26 # then like i/o errors on some files 02.52.01 # i will never use ext3 again.... 02.52.52 # then i tried to fsck it, and i think i really screwed it up then 02.53.03 # iirc i didn't umount it first, and that was my mistake 02.53.10 # after that it was unreadable 02.53.32 # i've still got a 3GB file that i made with cp or dd of the partition 02.53.40 # in case i can recover data from it somehow eventually 02.53.41 # ouch 02.54.45 # i think i will use reiserfs next time i install linux 02.55.09 # reiserfs = not that good 02.55.23 # midk, and you know this how? 02.55.40 # put it this way: you know it's good how? 02.56.13 # the statistics on speed look way better that ext3 infact ext3 look worse than ext2 02.56.16 # just look 02.56.19 # http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html 02.57.03 # midk, so now how do you know it is bad? 02.58.19 # i was lying 02.59.42 # thought so... 03.08.08 # heh 03.08.13 # midk lies a lot 03.08.14 # ? 03.08.17 # i do? 03.08.22 # "TRY IT" 03.08.23 # :p 03.08.27 # try what? 03.08.36 # whatever 03.08.36 # heh 03.08.43 # ... you don't make any sense. 03.08.46 # all that crap with my code 03.08.53 # heh like %d would make a difference from %i 03.08.55 # :p 03.09.09 # you're JUST NOW UNDERSTANDING that I was of no use? 03.09.25 # no 03.09.33 # i'm just speaking of such 03.09.35 # anyway 03.09.49 # dstar5: a filesystem is basically a kind of database isn't it? 03.10.07 # dstar5: so i wonder of using actual databases like SQL or oracle as a filesystem 03.10.18 # ﺛﺃﯽﺛﺃﯽze: err i think so kinda of 03.10.18 # dstar5: i dunno much about db's though, i wonder what the advantages/disadvantages would be 03.10.29 # ntfs uses a database i know 03.10.52 # but the way sql/oracle type databases seem to access data 03.10.56 # like fast fast fast 03.10.57 # and whatnot 03.10.58 # heh 03.11.08 # i dunno it just seems like that'd be good for a filesystem to do 03.11.19 # i think the whole file/directory paradigm might be outdated as well 03.11.26 # less than optimal for modern computing 03.11.38 # though symlinks help 03.11.50 # but really data relates in all sorts of complex ways 03.12.05 # that the whole file/directory system just makes cumbersome 03.12.48 # from what i can tell, databases seem to be like dynamic in their data organization 03.13.01 # but like i said i dunno much about it 03.13.04 # so i could be way off base 03.13.05 # heh 03.13.36 # lol 03.14.55 # bye bye everyone!!!!!! 03.15.05 # i also think the GUI/commandline dichotomy is overdue for a change 03.15.16 # i want a nice clean merging with the advantages of both 03.15.16 # :p 03.15.17 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 03.22.51 # hmm so reiser4 is faster for cp and sync than reiserfs but slower for rm 03.23.05 # and everything else is slow shit 03.23.06 # heh 03.23.22 Join Heil_Eri1 [0] (~centericq@p508B3F64.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.23.22 # gaha 03.23.24 # maybe i oughtta use reiserfs or reiser4 for the PVR 03.23.35 Join sol [0] (~jirc@user-112vaha.biz.mindspring.com) 03.25.07 Quit sol (Client Quit) 03.27.41 Quit gromit`` (Remote closed the connection) 03.29.35 Join gromit`` [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-18-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.30.27 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC183C4.ipt.aol.com) 03.30.31 # me back 03.31.17 # i am goign to play WCII 03.31.23 # anyone else have it to play? :) 03.31.46 # guess no 03.31.50 # see you 03.32.03 Quit dstar5 (Client Quit) 03.39.45 Quit Heil_Eris (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.17 Join Ramin [0] (~moneyking@adsl-68-120-229-166.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 03.55.30 # Can anyone in here help me with Cgywin 03.55.46 # Hello. 03.55.57 # IS ANYONE HOME!!! 03.55.58 # hi. why don't you just ask the question? 03.56.04 # i did 03.56.07 # o 03.56.07 # uh. give us a few seconds. thanks. 03.56.11 # Ok 03.56.43 # so you want the answer to "can anyone help me?" and then you'll leave? 03.57.08 # Well, My problem is that i downloaded Cgywin and installed it 'n stuff. But now i want to know how to compile .C ext. 03.58.41 # a plugin? 03.58.49 # is this at all rockbox-related? 03.58.54 # No... 03.59.05 # But someone in one of the logs was talking bout it 03.59.10 # uh.. you may want to try #cygwin in that case. or visit their website. 03.59.14 # we compile rockbox with cygwin 03.59.21 # (windows users do) 03.59.29 # Well can you tell me "How" You compiled it? 03.59.47 # we use a makefile. it's comprised of a lot of .c files 04.00.23 # i cant find a makefile 04.00.28 # im looking at all the commands 04.00.46 # #cygwin may be able to help. 04.01.01 # But if you've done it then why couldnt you help me? 04.01.02 # EH! 04.01.24 # is it exec -a name? 04.01.37 # i wouldn't know. that's not the way we do it. but i doubt it. 04.01.46 # How "do" you do it? 04.02.01 # with. a. makefile. 04.02.29 # Whats the exact command? Makefile? 04.02.46 # Or is MakeFile some other program or something.. 04.02.46 # it's not a command. it's a file. make file. 04.02.51 # Ok 04.03.04 # Well i already have my file out and i named it Thing.c 04.03.12 # What do i do with it? 04.03.38 # i already told you. we don't make plain .c files. visit #cygwin or use google. thanks 04.03.53 # meanie!!!! 04.03.56 # * Ramin slaps midk around a bit with a large trout 04.03.59 # :D 04.04.02 Part Ramin 04.11.16 Quit edx () 04.12.48 # ZE 04.13.31 # hmm 04.13.39 # are you still busy? 04.13.53 # gcc -o Thing.exe Thing.c 04.13.54 # :p 04.14.02 # too late 04.14.06 # or something along those lines 04.14.10 # yeah i know 04.14.11 # but still 04.14.12 # :p 04.14.13 # and yes 04.14.14 # yeah. that's it i'm quite sure 04.14.21 # it's checking for bad blocks 04.14.24 # actually.. it's Thing.o, not Thing.exe (iirc?) 04.14.29 # before making an ext2 filesystem 04.14.30 # well 04.14.31 # hmm. never mind. 04.14.41 # Get Un-Busy. 04.14.42 # it's Thing.o if it needs to be linked with other .o files 04.14.53 # STFY! 04.15.04 # if it's self-contained then gcc can do the linking for you and output the exe 04.15.04 # heh 04.15.14 # without having to much with any .o files 04.15.16 # stfy. 04.15.18 # S T F Y! 04.15.19 # s/much/muck/ 04.15.25 # whats the y? 04.15.32 # hmm. well... 04.15.39 # s = stop, y = yelling. 04.15.42 # t = that. 04.15.44 # f = f. 04.15.58 # stop that ferken yelling? 04.16.08 # yeah that's it 04.16.09 # :] 04.16.19 # i'm not yelling though 04.16.22 # you're the one yelling STFY 04.16.23 # :p 04.16.27 # STFY! 04.16.34 # OK, IS THIS BETTER!? 04.16.42 # * midk shoots monsters in doom3 like he shoots things in real life 04.16.46 # yes. now STFY! 04.16.50 # s = start this time 04.17.00 # if i had ops i'd kick you 04.17.00 # :p 04.17.14 # but you don't. 04.17.17 # now STFY. 04.17.39 # soda soda poppy! 04.17.47 # yes ia m 04.17.49 # what is #vegan 04.17.51 # er, i am/ 04.17.53 # are you vegan? 04.17.54 # it's a good channel. 04.17.56 # no. 04.18.01 # are they? 04.18.06 # most of them. 04.18.12 # why is that? 04.18.16 # they just ar. 04.18.17 # are* 04.18.22 # nuh uh 04.18.29 # they choose to. 04.18.37 # right, well choices must have a reason 04.18.40 # or they're not choices 04.18.46 # even if it's a subjective reason 04.18.48 # they like animals etc. 04.18.55 # well i like plants 04.18.57 # they just are vegan! 04.19.00 # EXACTLY. 04.19.01 # why? 04.19.01 # doesn't stop me from eating them 04.19.05 # WHY DO YOU LIKE PLANTS?! 04.19.07 # WHY?!!?! 04.19.09 # because they're nifty 04.19.14 # EVERY THIN HAS A REESUN! 04.19.18 # i mean look 04.19.26 # you take this little tiny round thing 04.19.43 # and put it in some dirt and water and light 04.20.01 # wtf. 04.20.04 # and it cracks open and this stuff comes out and forms a structure and does all kinds of stuff 04.20.08 # and gets real big and makes things 04.20.12 # and it's leet 04.20.18 # wtf are you talking about 04.20.19 # we don't have any kindof technology that can do that 04.20.30 # oh. 04.20.38 # plants. 04.20.40 # duh 04.26.36 # but why not eat cheese? 04.26.50 # hmm. they can't. 04.41.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.11.01 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.00.28 Quit AciD ("a genre of electronic music, characterized by widely distorted layered melodies, which are sequenced and repeated with differ) 06.41.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.54.43 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 07.17.22 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 08.17.00 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.41.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.53.31 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7F6B6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.16.03 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAB9FC.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.27.19 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 09.47.40 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@labb.contactor.se) 09.47.41 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.41.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.00.56 # brb 11.01.00 Quit midk (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.02.58 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 11.12.50 Quit gromit`` ("Client exiting") 11.28.04 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 12.05.18 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.08.08 Join pyed_p1per [0] (~jirc@203-118-169-199.adsl.ihug.co.nz) 12.10.26 # heelo 12.10.33 # hi 12.10.52 # my archos is having difficultys 12.11.38 # i plug it in and it shows that is charging, but the batterys aren't 12.11.57 # tried new batteries? 12.12.01 # yes 12.12.10 # then maybe the charging is broken 12.13.33 # if i tell u wat it says in the batt menu in the debug menu will it mean anything 12.14.21 # well, if the batteries don't charge, then it doesn't charge 12.14.33 # I don't think I need more info than that 12.14.48 # any ideas 12.14.48 # I'm not very good at what particular HW that might've broken to cause this 12.15.11 # im from new zealand and i can't buy another 1 12.15.35 # post to q to the mailing list, stating your detailed sympthoms and what you've tried so far 12.16.18 # k 12.17.24 # when it says its "charging" trickle charge is 0/60 12.20.21 Join pyed_p1per1 [0] (~jirc@203-118-169-167.adsl.ihug.co.nz) 12.21.37 # there is a voltage across the batt terminals when i take the batt out which is strange 12.23.41 # i gtg but ill be back 2mrw 12.23.42 Quit pyed_p1per1 (Client Quit) 12.29.08 # Bagder, do you know if the recording bitrate is controlled by the MAS only? ie, if there were a better MAS in the ajb we could do better recordings like 256kbps? 12.29.50 # or does cpu speed / other hardware affect it too? 12.30.04 # its limited by the MAS only, yes 12.30.26 # since we can play 320kbps, we should be able to record it I think 12.30.44 # hmm. well archos uses the same mas in their av3xx series but they have a firmware upgrade which lets you record at 192kbps cbr 12.31.06 # then they've written MAS-code 12.31.28 # or something 12.31.38 # ahh... 12.32.01 # hmm, iirc linus got the docs needed to reprogram it? 12.32.29 # most of the docs was available on the web for a while, yes 12.33.03 # surely he kept them! 12.33.19 # I know several people have the docs 12.33.41 # I doubt we'll ever see anything coming out of that anyway 12.33.48 # its a hell of a job 12.34.19 # yeah, i can imagine 12.39.36 Quit pyed_p1per (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.42.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.04.30 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 13.31.40 Join ze__ [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-216.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 13.32.39 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.39 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-216.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 13.42.16 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.02.42 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.04.01 Join ze__ [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-138.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 14.04.11 Quit ze (Nick collision from services.) 14.04.16 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-138.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 14.07.32 # go ze. go ze.. woohoo 14.42.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.09.44 Nick midk is now known as midk|sleep (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 15.09.46 # nite 15.10.09 # night midk 15.43.04 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.18.59 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.42.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.11 Part Bagder 17.33.54 Join Dark-Beat [0] (l_ark-Beat@05-086.149.popsite.net) 17.35.09 Quit Dark-Beat (Client Quit) 17.43.53 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 17.45.24 Join scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 18.00.36 Quit scott666 (Remote closed the connection) 18.00.36 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.00.37 Join scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 18.34.58 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC7BC48.ipt.aol.com) 18.42.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.42.44 Join zeekoe [0] (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 19.06.37 # amiconn: very interesting, amigoos 4.0 was released just last month http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_40.html 19.07.25 # I know; however, this is a pre-release only, not the official end-user version. 19.08.19 # Furthermore, AmigaOS 4.0 is not a simple update to 3.9 and will not run on the classic Amiga hardware (unless equipped with a PowerPC dual CPU card) 19.08.34 # heh 19.25.33 # amiga os 4 released? 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22.16.41 # dstar5 is 22.16.50 # yes i am 22.17.39 # hey, can i ask you a quick question? 22.18.22 # i'd just ask 22.19.02 Join Lee_ [0] (Lee@ACC44BFE.ipt.aol.com) 22.19.12 # sorry got dissconnected 22.19.16 # what is your Q? 22.19.21 # whenever i try to make a directory, no matter the name of it, i get an error message saying *Panic* Stkov main 22.19.31 # and i have to hold off 22.19.47 # i have a jukebox recorder 20 22.20.03 # and the build from the 8th 22.20.11 # (yesterday) 22.20.45 # i get it too 22.21.14 Join gromit`` [0] (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 22.21.58 # lo 22.22.31 # yo. 22.22.49 # other than that, it works fine... 22.24.46 Join the_angry_angel [0] (the_angry_@82-32-64-110.cable.ubr01.bath.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.25.21 # madman, midk: Strange, as I don't get that. How deep in the dir structure are you located when trying to make a directory? 22.25.49 # i tried it when overing over /.rockbox 22.25.49 Nick zeekoe|tea is now known as zeekoe (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 22.26.48 # midk: Hmm. So you are in the root. I tried to create a number of dirs there, with name lengths of 3..10 chars. No stack overflow... 22.27.06 # i named it capital "AA" and hit ok 22.27.23 # i was in the root, and then i tried another folder, neither worked 22.27.24 # this is an 20040809 build 22.28.33 # i tried lowercase a, and a couple of other longer names, it still gives the error 22.29.51 # amiconn: are you trying it on the recorder 20? 22.29.56 # yup 22.30.02 # rec15 here 22.30.08 # (although upgraded to 80 GB) 22.30.41 # do you think it could be a HD error, since you upgraded yours? 22.31.42 # No, this seems to be a problem with insufficient stack (stkov means stack overflow). 22.31.54 # oh, ok 22.32.17 # Although I wasn't able to reproduce it myself, I found 2 intresting things about stack usage 22.33.35 # (1) Stack usage is very close to 100% (I observed 96..97%) after using "create directory" 22.35.18 # (2) (relative) stack usage of the main thread (only!) in ordinary rockbox is different from rombox (which I usually run). 22.36.34 # I should find out why (although I suspect Linus' latest changes of the linker script, since the rombox linker script doesn't incorporate them) 22.37.00 # ive never heard of rombox before... 22.37.32 # madman: don't say that too loud here 22.37.38 # madman: it's amiconn's little baby 22.37.57 # together with [IDC]Dragon iirc 22.38.27 # haha, i meant to say that i loved rombox and wanted to learn more about it 22.38.31 # zeekoe: It isn't exactly my baby, since [IDC]Dragon invented it... 22.39.12 # I "only" found a bug preventing it to work, and then polished rockbox to gain even some more free ram 22.39.34 # ok 22.39.40 # I just documented it in the wiki today, see http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox 22.39.50 Quit dstar5 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.52 # well, i just hope [IDC]Dragon doesn't read the logs ;-P 22.40.07 # Unfortunately, the recording bug is still unsolved... 22.40.19 # recording bug? 22.40.32 # my mommy tells me i should shower... 22.40.36 Nick zeekoe is now known as zeekoe|shower (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 22.40.46 # madman: rombox doesn't always record, see the wiki link 22.41.14 # im reading the "drawbacks" now 22.41.15 # well, there is progress, isnt there? 22.41.28 # at first it never recorded :) 22.42.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.43.24 # zeekoe|shower: I'm almost out of ideas atm... I'm just reading the i2c specs 22.43.53 # for some unknown reason, about a month ago, i read the entire FAQ for the rockbox v2.2 22.44.10 # who wrote that? It was hillarious 22.50.35 Quit madman () 22.50.51 # For the stack problem: I think we need Linus to solve that. I don't really understand his linker script changes... 23.00.45 Nick zeekoe|shower is now known as zeekoe (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 23.23.57 Nick Lee_ is now known as dsta5r (Lee@ACC44BFE.ipt.aol.com) 23.24.02 Nick dsta5r is now known as dstar5 (Lee@ACC44BFE.ipt.aol.com) 23.24.13 # heh havent been chating in a while ;) 23.24.32 Nick midk is now known as midk|quakeIII (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 23.24.45 # 20:51:21 time for lunch 23.25.02 # 2.5 hours 23.25.15 # better than mirc?yep 23.25.19 # lol 23.25.48 # what's better than mirc? 23.27.52 # huh 23.27.56 # ohh nothing 23.28.06 # you don't have to tell me ;-) 23.28.34 # what's better than mirc? 23.28.34 # ohh nothing 23.28.50 # hm 23.29.04 # nah, that's just the other way around 23.29.09 # ok, we try again 23.29.15 # what's worse than mirc? 23.31.19 # nothing is 23.31.22 # lol 23.31.26 # that's better :-P 23.32.29 Quit the_angry_angel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.33.45 Join scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 23.35.48 # me go get shower and go to lib 23.36.16 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 23.36.26 # midk|quakeIII: Main thread stack size fixed :) 23.40.37 # amiconn: nice! 23.40.52 # so you could find out how the linker worked? 23.41.33 Join Smooth [0] (909510b8@ACBF01E9.ipt.aol.com) 23.42.04 # yup. I admit that I still don't understand why Linus changed the script in the first place... 23.43.34 # hiya 23.47.40 Nick midk|quakeIII is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 23.47.44 # amiconn, great 23.47.59 # Hmmmmmmmmm. I got the recording from rombox to work, but I'm undecided if the solution is :)) or :(( 23.48.17 # Linus! Liiiiinnnnnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssssssss! 23.50.18 # ive installed the latest build, no save option in general settings 23.50.33 # Smooth: ?? 23.53.01 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9E34B3E.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.53.09 # yea 23.53.17 # hi Jörg! 23.53.24 Quit Smooth ("leafChat IRC client: http://www.leafdigital.com/Software/leafChat/") 23.53.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi Jens et al 23.53.40 # Did you snoop the log? 23.53.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> just a quick one 23.53.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes 23.53.50 # :) 23.54.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> Linus changed the lds to get gcc 3.4 working 23.54.45 # I wonder what the .lds has to do with gcc. I think this is a linker (ld) thing? 23.55.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> haven't looked closely, but he said that his "bug exploit" isn't working any more 23.55.24 # Furthermore, I tried compiling with the latest binutils/gcc (3.4.1) from cygwin before he changed the .lds, and it did work 23.55.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> isn't gcc all of that? (kind of a wrapper for the tools?) 23.55.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> then I don't know 23.56.12 # Hmm. Maybe we have to ask Linus for that (but my change fixes the stack issue) 23.56.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> what stack issue? 23.57.03 # He obviously didn't do what he wanted, so the main stack was no longer 8 KB, but (8 KB -sizeof(.iram)) 23.57.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh 23.57.27 # This lead to a stack overflow for some people when using the "create dir" function 23.57.37 # See my latest commit 23.57.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> btw, you've written a very nice ROMbox article! 23.58.18 # Hmm. I just found how I can get the recording to work when running from ROM. 23.58.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh!! 23.58.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> how? 23.58.59 # However, this is _very_ strange: The recording works (I did 25 tries) when I take out the mas_reset() from the init