--- Log for 10.08.104 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 12 days and 21 hours ago 00.00.09 # Ooops... didn't write about that - my fault 00.00.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> ok, then I wasn't _that_ superficial 00.01.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> anyway, gotta go 00.01.07 # nice that recording works 00.01.13 # bye Dragon 00.01.17 # The thing is - why the *&%$%§ mas does work correctly shortly after reset if rockbox runs from RAM, but not if it runs from ROM???? 00.01.18 # * zeekoe back btw 00.01.38 # amiconn: is it needed to reset the mas? 00.01.49 # or can rockbox work without it 00.02.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> I wish you good hunting, goodnight! 00.02.26 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 00.02.35 # The mas reset is needed exactly once: at power on. But rockbox does currently reset the MAS everytime it switches between playback and recording mode 00.03.23 # Why it is done that way - don't ask me, ask Linus 00.03.28 # :P 00.03.36 # so just remove it :) 00.04.08 # This is an example where a security measure does the opposite of what it was intended to do.... 00.04.19 # :) 00.04.20 # weird 00.05.11 # I'll do some more recording test (for example if it produces clean recordings) before committing. I only tested if the recording starts at all u ntil now 00.05.16 # it doesn't have something to do with how the mas_reset is built up? 00.07.30 # The reset itself is simple - assert reset signal, wait a short time (the specs don't tell how long, but derived from the sample application 10 ms should be long enough), deassert reset signal, and wait some more 00.08.19 # and _just_ after that the recording starts? 00.08.32 # or does it wait a little longer, somewhere 00.08.54 # The problem is that the MAS sometimes doesn't like to record directly after that, but the preconditions for this effect to occur ar not known yet 00.09.06 # hm okay... 00.09.08 # hey 00.09.09 # Extending the delay after issuing a MAS reset from 0.2 to 0.5 seconds lowers the failure rate to ~20 % 00.09.23 # so what if you'd wait a full second? 00.09.30 # or is that too long 00.10.02 # This would get annoying. This time adds to the delay until the recording screen pops up. 00.10.24 # okay, i understand 00.11.00 # let's make a petition to ask micronas for the mpeg codec source in the mas :-) 00.11.28 # This was tried several times iirc, with no positive result :( 00.12.13 # or just mail them why recording after a reset won't work... guess they aren't gonna answer that too 00.12.24 # I'd like to see _full_ programming docs, describing both the instruction set and i/o 00.12.34 # that would be nice 00.12.38 # they must be somewhere 00.13.31 # what kind of dsp is it? 00.13.38 # or is that a dumb question 00.14.09 # This may enable us to use other codes (at least simple ones). Straight PCM (uncompressed WAV), ADPCM... 00.14.39 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC01972.ipt.aol.com) 00.14.40 # WAV would be limited by the serial bandwidth, though. (44.1 kHz stereo are impossible) 00.15.19 # zeekoe: Recorders: MAS3587F, Player/Studio: MAS 3507D 00.15.31 # hm 00.15.54 # so it's not just like General Purpose DSP #2132 programmed to be MAS3587F 00.16.17 # so the only way to actually know how to code it, is to ask micronas 00.16.20 # that's bad 00.16.32 # amiconn: huh? so so the reset f's it up? 00.16.50 # zeekoe, we have the docs 00.17.07 # dstar5: Yes, although why it does that is beyond me, as it works when running from ram 00.17.19 # midk: where? show me! 00.17.32 # amiconn, linus got them a while ago 00.17.47 # they were online - some guy uploaded them for the world to see 00.17.53 # they're down now 00.17.56 # lol 00.17.59 # w00t 00.18.13 # the docs to actually change the mas coded? 00.18.15 # neat 00.18.20 # that guy got his ass sued i bet 00.18.28 # yeah, i wonder what happened to him 00.18.42 # zeekoe: No, it's a special dsp already containing mp2/mp3 decoder and mp3 encoder (3587F only) in rom, but also having some ram to program them 00.19.20 # amiconn, archos has got the MAS3587 to record at 192kbit cbr 00.20.04 # okay 00.20.26 # so archos knew how to reprogram it? 00.20.28 # mas3587f that is :) 00.20.50 # archos must have the docs, yeah 00.21.06 # lol 00.21.06 # the day there's sound from the MAS3587, I'll run Rockbox non-stop 00.21.17 # haha 00.21.23 # lol 00.21.28 # sure.... 00.22.34 # * zeekoe -> bed 00.22.37 # nah 00.22.43 # * zeekoe |bed 00.22.44 # heh 00.22.51 # like 11:22 there? 00.22.52 # something like that 00.22.54 # nah 00.22.58 # (pm) 00.23.00 # like 0:22 00.23.02 # am 00.23.03 # ohh 00.23.04 # lol 00.23.35 # like, you retarded americans live like one day in the past 00.23.39 # (nofi) 00.24.35 # uhh lol 00.25.55 # the docs used to be here 00.25.57 # http://krt.neobee.net/PNRS/DSPkurs/DSP_kurs.html 00.26.02 # (apparently) 00.26.13 # hmm. or are they still 00.27.19 # midk: how do you know all this stuff? :) 00.27.39 # arghhh fuck gmail attachment downloading is not working well.... 00.27.59 # zeekoe, i'm a genius :] 00.28.02 # it is supposed to be a 1mb dl, but gmail download is cutting it off at 800kb 00.28.43 # it cuts it of at differn't places everytime 00.28.50 # :P 00.28.57 # just don't take gmail :) 00.29.08 # or resend the email to another address 00.29.27 # hummm do yahoo mail... 00.29.55 # hmmm... i think that site suffers from the RockBox effect :P 00.30.30 # atleast gmail is still better than any other free provider (and better than aol also lol) 00.30.45 # WAY better than aol actaully... even yahoo is better 00.30.49 # :) 00.30.53 # "Realizacija JPEG algoritma za kompresiju slike na DSP" 00.30.55 # that's nice 00.31.02 # what does that mean? 00.31.18 # jpeg decompression in dsp? 00.32.09 # think so 00.32.27 # jpeg decompression is slow now, for 1280x1024 pictures :-) 00.33.19 # heh being able to view pr0n on archos is cool 00.33.20 # lol 00.34.00 # i bet ipods can't do it HAHHA! 00.35.20 # for ipods there's uclinux 00.35.46 # and the av300's 00.36.12 # what use is uclinux on ipod? 00.37.13 # uh.. linux... on ipod.. yeah. 00.37.33 # huh, i just found a mod for the tv card i've got that'll let it to 16bit 448khz (yes, 448khz) audio recording 00.38.25 # now i can uhh impress my firend because i have alinux on my ipod 00.38.35 # yeah. 00.38.48 # firend? alinux? slow down 00.39.06 # heh 00.39.53 # 448 khz :-| 00.40.07 # ? 00.40.58 # ze: what tv card do you have? ;-) 00.41.31 # PV-BT878P+ rev 9D 00.41.50 # what brand? 00.41.52 # actually it's supposed to work with bt878's in general, but the instructions happen to be for that one specifically 00.42.07 # http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-e.htm 00.42.09 # found it :) 00.42.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.22 # hehe 00.42.50 # but i'm still trying to get the card to work normal 00.43.05 # it's working but funkily 00.43.40 # it tunes the channel and gets audio ok, but the video is all screwed up 00.44.20 # it's vertically offset with a (usualy) green band at the bottom (or was it the top?), mostly b&w, and with a vertically offset ghost 00.44.43 # i've tried a bunch of different card/tuner options and haven't gotten any better 00.44.54 # which is odd cause i've tried the options i used to use successfully on a previous setup 00.45.44 # well... i dont have any knowledge about this stuff... other than that i dont have pci and will thus never be able to use it :) 00.46.04 # hehe 00.47.32 # i'm wondering if maybe i had to patch bttv to add a proper card config for it or something 00.47.59 # cause i don't see any that have it's options specifically- fm, remote, and tvaudio 00.49.48 # http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-decimator-e.htm 00.49.59 # I think is clear that the Bt878a has surpassed its original 448000 Sps limitation. It can digitalize up to 896000 Sps and give us 442 KHz usable bandwidth. Not bad, isn't?. 00.50.20 # and sorry, dunno anything about bttv stuff... 00.50.23 # and 00.50.26 # * zeekoe >bed 00.50.40 # no, really this time :) 00.51.06 # nite 00.51.31 # hehe 00.51.32 # night 00.51.46 # wow 896khz? geez heh 00.52.29 # bye 00.52.56 # zeekoe: guess you aren't going 00.52.59 # lol 00.54.14 # dstar5: i am 00.54.16 # really 00.54.22 # lol 00.54.27 Quit zeekoe ("quit...") 00.54.38 # wow he did 00.55.01 # amiconn: anything else you want with the vu meter? 00.55.15 # i was thinking about a few thing but i am not sure 00.55.42 # dstar5: Sorry, didn't yet look into it after your latest changes. 00.55.44 # aka: amiconn, did you forget about my vu meter? 00.55.59 # midk: what vu meter? 01.01.09 Join the_angry_angel [0] (the_angry_@82-32-64-110.cable.ubr01.bath.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.19.17 Quit midk ("Leaving") 01.19.26 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.25.08 Quit the_angry_angel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.46 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.35.13 Part amiconn 01.35.32 Quit midk (Nick collision from services.) 01.35.49 Quit midk_ (Client Quit) 01.35.49 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.38.33 # who was it making the manual for the 2.3? 01.41.12 # byeee 01.41.13 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 01.47.16 Quit AciD (Connection reset by peer) 02.41.27 Join maikeul [0] (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 02.41.38 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.41.38 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.42.15 Nick maikeul is now known as Gromit_Nymph_Gui (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 02.42.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.18.56 Nick midk is now known as midk|quakeIII (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 03.23.55 Join Heil_Eris [0] (~centericq@p508B326C.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.35.55 Quit Heil_Eri1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.49.15 Nick midk|quakeIII is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.16.00 Join undefinedassasin [0] (~Aggressor@undefinedassasin.registered) 04.22.36 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 04.24.58 Quit edx () 04.29.16 Part undefinedassasin ("X-Chat [2.0.10c] Quit.") 04.42.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.53.43 Nick midk is now known as midk|quakeIII (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.53.43 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.05.27 Join AciD [0] (~gni@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 05.13.32 Quit AciD (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.13.52 Join AciD [0] (~gni@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 05.15.10 Nick midk|quakeIII is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 05.29.27 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@ool-18b8773e.dyn.optonline.net) 05.29.52 # can anyone tell me if they have sound probs with ver 2.2 05.29.59 # no, but get a daily build 05.30.55 # seems I have to have the volume up around 75 or above for me to hear it 05.31.10 # uh 05.31.15 # yeah, it's logarthmic scale 05.31.24 # as you can see 20-50 is not the same scale as 50-80 05.31.32 # the steps get louder as they go higher 05.31.54 # so that's normal that I should have to have it that high? 05.32.34 # yeah... 05.32.38 # think of it this way 05.32.43 # the volume ranges 1-100 05.33.05 # hmm. how to explain. the higher the volume is, the larger the increase of sound output per step 05.33.29 # moving from 70 to 71 makes a larger difference than from moving from 50 to 51 05.33.37 # at 50 you can't even really hear the sound anyways 05.33.51 # yea you can't 05.34.12 # well that's the best i can explain it, each step makes more of a difference the louder it is 05.34.17 # i dont remember it like that before I put rockbox on it 05.34.36 # for example it's hard to notice the difference between 60 and 61. but it's easy to notice the difference between 80 and 81 05.34.45 # that's because the archos firmware only gives you like 10 steps total 05.35.52 # I see 05.35.56 # thanks for the info 05.36.41 Quit Guest ("Leaving") 05.36.42 # np 06.29.54 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 06.42.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.45.22 Join sol [0] (~jirc@user-112vaha.biz.mindspring.com) 06.45.22 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.46.37 Quit sol (Client Quit) 07.45.42 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 07.54.15 Quit scott666 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.30.44 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 08.42.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.55.01 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7F716.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.55.01 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.49 Quit scott666_ ("i'll be back...eventually...") 09.28.20 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.28.33 # Welcome back, Z! 09.28.36 # hi guys 09.28.44 # I hope your vacation was enjoyable. 09.28.52 # very 09.29.05 # hey Zagor 09.31.10 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@labb.contactor.se) 09.31.31 # hey Bagder 09.31.32 # hey ho 09.42.30 Nick Gromit_Nymph_Gui is now known as gromit (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 09.43.00 Nick gromit is now known as gromit`` (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 10.31.38 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 10.34.39 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.42.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.28 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.23.39 Part Bagder 11.49.52 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.49.57 # nite 11.50.06 Nick midk is now known as midk|sleep (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 11.58.13 # nite 11.58.25 # weird time to sleep in this heat 11.58.27 # or not 12.23.02 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAA6FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.42.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.42 Quit edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.06.45 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAA6FB.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.08.56 # ÑíTë ÑíTë ëVß. 13.24.19 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.20.38 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.20.39 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@207-237-224-49.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 14.42.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.56.10 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@labb.contactor.se) 14.56.11 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.56.26 # Zagor: bostream was bought by BBB! 14.56.40 # big bad bill? 14.56.42 # :) 14.56.47 # Bredbandsbolaget 14.56.53 # I know 14.56.59 # Just joking :) \o/ 14.57.11 # * Bagder has no sense of humor 14.57.13 # * Bagder grins 14.59.57 # Bagder: yeah I saw that. still no room in my local switch though :( 15.01.53 # telia is less painful than i feared, though 15.02.37 # I figure you script away the login stuff 15.03.11 # actually I don't. i just logged in once and then never log out (cron */5 ping ) 15.03.17 # ah 15.03.24 # good enough 15.03.32 # yeah, has worked so far 15.04.43 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.26.11 Join gromit`` [0] (~gromit@evry-1-82-227-13-152.fbx.proxad.net) 15.32.42 # ah 15.32.44 # clever 16.21.22 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 16.36.20 Part Zagor 16.42.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.15.21 Part Bagder 17.24.39 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC607CF.ipt.aol.com) 17.27.14 Quit AciD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.06 Join AciD [0] (~gni@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 18.13.51 Join Lee_ [0] (Lee@ACC54E08.ipt.aol.com) 18.13.51 Quit dstar5 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.14.59 Nick Lee_ is now known as dstar5 (Lee@ACC54E08.ipt.aol.com) 18.28.13 Nick midk|sleep is now known as midk (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 18.35.36 Nick midk is now known as midk|bbs (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 18.42.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.28.37 Nick midk|bbs is now known as midk|gone (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 19.47.32 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 19.48.56 # why couldn't the ti 83+ come with more memory? :( atleast a few MB 19.50.39 # lol 19.50.43 Nick scott666_ is now known as scott666 (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 19.51.04 # i only have room for two games, with all the flash apps ihave 19.51.38 # and why do all those apps take up the same amount of mem? they are all 16384 19.51.53 # i am sure some could be smaller... 19.54.24 # i wish mirageos would just copy program out of archive, instead of moving each time, it would save you from having to garbage collect all the time 19.57.53 # and why is my calc freezing everytime i plug it into usb now? 19.58.02 # brb 19.58.04 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 20.20.18 Join Guest [0] (jirc@pD9FF8378.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.20.34 # Hi 20.21.10 # Can anybody help me please, I habe some problems with my Archos Multimedia 20, 20.23.42 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 20.32.06 # try with msn 20.32.10 # shit, wrong window 20.32.26 # * scott666 looks around 20.42.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.18.02 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 21.18.02 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.18.02 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.50 Join dstar5 [0] (Lee@ACC24752.ipt.aol.com) 22.05.42 # scott666_: got doom 3? 22.14.56 Quit midk|gone (Remote closed the connection) 22.26.27 Nick scott666_ is now known as scott666 (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 22.26.33 # dstar5: yup 22.33.06 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-78-112.dynamic.qsc.de) 22.42.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.48.30 # scott666: i would get it.. if i had a machine that could run it lol 23.02.10 Join zeekoe [0] (~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 23.14.12 Ctcp DCC request from zeekoe!~zeekoe@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl (CHAT chat 1372350966 10786) 23.38.15 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 23.38.16 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.41.02 # hi LinusN 23.41.46 # amiconn: yeah! go discuss it with LinusN! :-P 23.41.51 # we could have some fun here 23.42.00 # hi LinusN 23.44.53 # hey ho 23.45.09 # aaargh.... why do all people say "hi" and "hey" 23.45.11 # :P 23.45.49 # i added them to the mark these words too list of xchat, so everytime someone says it the tab becomes blue 23.46.25 # hi 23.46.28 # LinusN: Sorry for always bothering you, but I have some questions concerning how things are done in rockbox 23.51.27 # amiconn: shoot 23.52.07 # * LinusN is on an island on the west coast of sweden, on vacation with his laptop and v.90 modem 23.53.07 # I know that you are on vacation. I wish I were on vacation too - it's hot here in Berlin 23.53.17 # (1) Why does rockbox alway do a power on reset to the mas when changing from playback to recording or vice versa 23.53.23 # ? 23.53.49 # If I leave this out for the recording init, it does work when running from rom... 23.55.41 # (2) While searching for the recording problem, I also had a look at the i2c driver. From looking at the code, it seems that the SCL high phases are shorter than the minimum length defined by the standard. I wonder why... 23.56.37 Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") 23.56.38 # 1) Because the MAS init function hasn't been changed since the days when the recording wasn't implemented. 23.57.06 # 2) Because there is a bug in it? 23.58.18 # (3) The i2c_init (seems to) set PB5 to output and high regardless of the model. However, this is only "mas enable" for the player; for v1 recorders it is charger control, and for v2/fm it is main power control ???