--- Log for 27.08.104  Server: leguin.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: logbot  Version: Dancer V4.16  Started: 13 hours and 22 minutes ago

00.00.06 #       <amiconn> Warning: found encoding values in non-sorted order (not an error).
00.00.16 #       <bagawk> [IDC]Dragon: yes   that works
00.00.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: this is from convbdf
00.00.53 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Ah, yes. Could we get rid of it?
00.01.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can ignore it, I have to fix this part
00.01.11 #       <bagawk> drivers/lcd-recorder.c: In function `lcd_putsxyofs':
00.01.11 #       <bagawk> drivers/lcd-recorder.c:411: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from poi
00.01.11 #       <bagawk> nter target type
00.01.32 #       <amiconn> bagawk: Yep, I'll commit fix in a moment
00.02.32 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Is it correct that bits_size within struct font is not needed (and not generated by convbdf either)?
00.03.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, does it still exist somewhere?
00.03.26 #       <amiconn> It was still in font.h ...
00.03.47 #       <amiconn> This caused the "missing initializer" warning
00.04.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the binary format has it, we could store it, but nobody reads it
00.05.45 #       <amiconn> Fix committed.
00.06.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thanks. does it still work?
00.06.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (I had to do the dishes during the last half hour, before I came back)
00.07.36 #       <amiconn> It does (only tested with internal font so far, just rebuilding the fonts)
00.08.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is there a script to rebuild them?
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00.08.57 #       <amiconn> make zip, then extract the fonts you want
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00.10.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, yes
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00.10.58 #       <amiconn> Works perfectly.. :-)
00.11.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> great
00.11.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> did you compare the size?
00.11.37 #       <amiconn> Jeez, the new font format takes _less_ than half the space!
00.11.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (fonts + ajz)
00.13.37 #       * amiconn is looking for his charger
00.14.10 #       * lImbus_ slaps lImbus a few times
00.14.55 #       <lImbus_> wenn es denn mal praktisch wäre, will der http-tunnel nicht verrecken
00.15.09 #       <bagawk> wow
00.15.12 #       <bagawk> :)
00.15.16 #       <amiconn> Binary size decreased 2976 bytes :-)
00.15.28 #       <bagawk> sweetness!
00.15.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> about what I expected, nice
00.16.04 #       <amiconn> We could decrease the font buffer size too...
00.16.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bagawk: who are you? the nick doesn't sound familiar to me
00.16.30 #       <bagawk> [IDC]Dragon: i am lee (aka dstar5)
00.16.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
00.16.37 #       <bagawk> new nick :)
00.16.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very confusing
00.18.08 #       <zeekoe> lImbus_: just ghost lImbus
00.18.16 #       <bagawk> dstar5 was getting _very_ old
00.18.26 #       <bagawk> i had been using since i was 5 or so
00.19.03 #       * lImbus_ ghosts lImbus
00.19.25 #       <lImbus_> zeekoe: does not work
00.19.52 #       <zeekoe> lImbus_: are you doing it correctly?
00.20.01 #       <zeekoe> i was able to ghost even myself
00.20.07 #       <lImbus_> show me / teach me
00.20.16 #       <zeekoe> /msg nickserv ghost lImbus [password]
00.20.18 #       <bagawk> amiconn: how much buffer is there for mpeg now?
00.20.31 #       <lImbus_> '/ghost results in => unknown command
00.20.40 #       <bagawk> my personel build had 1.815 before this
00.20.51 #       <zeekoe> i learnt it from... uh.. dunno who.. someone on this channel
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00.20.59 #       <zeekoe> :)
00.21.03 #       <lImbus> heyyyy
00.21.05 #       <bagawk> zeekoe: me?
00.21.10 #       <zeekoe> uh.. maybe
00.21.16 #       <amiconn> bagawk: It depends on how you set the limits. I have 1.802 MB now, before it was 1.799 MB
00.21.19 #       <zeekoe> or maybe just nickserv help
00.21.23 #       <lImbus> zeekoe, nice, thanks
00.21.27 #       <zeekoe> np :)
00.22.10 #       <bagawk> amiconn: my size was mostly due to a few thigns i removed/changed in rockbox, my limts are 3000 playlist, 250 dir
00.25.17 #       <lImbus> msg logbot seen zeekoe
00.25.21 #       <lImbus> grr
00.25.50 #       <bagawk> lol
00.26.00 #       <bagawk> are you blind?
00.26.07 #       <zeekoe> lol
00.26.12 #       <zeekoe> >logbot< seen zeekoe
00.26.12 #       <zeekoe> -logbot- Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)
00.26.26 #       <lImbus> something has changed with my irc-client. it does not bold my name if somebody calls me, neither is he opening separate windows for queries.
00.27.05 #       <lImbus> Saying that: Is there ANY woman here ? I mean not even sometimes ?
00.27.39 #       <bagawk> i think there is that one person on the mail ist is...
00.27.46 #       <bagawk> Cristi or so
00.28.07 #       <zeekoe> she is here sometimes too
00.28.19 #       <lImbus> sure. the nice voice with the windows installer ;-)
00.28.31 #       <lImbus> i'm using her english_uk-voice file
00.28.34 #       <bagawk> what is her nick?
00.28.38 #       <zeekoe> hm
00.28.52 #       <zeekoe> ChristiS.. or Christi-S... but logbot doesnt know
00.29.04 #       <bagawk> i did try her voice font, buti got tired of voice fonts after a week  lol
00.29.25 #       <amiconn> That's apparently because logbot was restarted to fix the empty logs problem
00.29.25 #       <lImbus> yeah, logbot had some amnesy I heard of ;-)
00.29.30 #       <zeekoe> besides, Christi, nobody else, i think
00.29.39 #       <lImbus> poor
00.29.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: fix for convbdf committed
00.29.53 #       <bagawk> >logbot< explain LinusN
00.29.53 #       <bagawk> -logbot- *Shrug* I don't know
00.30.12 #       <lImbus> woha. that's hard !
00.30.56 #       <bagawk> humm the xplain does not work for any nick anymore :(
00.31.00 #       <bagawk> *explain
00.32.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you got the builds green again
00.32.44 #       <amiconn> yup.
00.34.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> btw, convbdf now uses the exact same rotation function I now removed from font.c
00.34.20 #       <amiconn> :)
00.34.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so, nothing got lost ;)
00.35.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we're 3 KB away from ROMbox on the "real" FM
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00.38.28 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Did you already spot something where we could gain those 3K ?
00.38.32 #       <amiconn> ;)
00.38.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not really. obsolete debug stuff?
00.39.35 #       <bagawk> yes
00.39.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a while ago, I was bouncing ideas with Linus
00.39.44 #       <bagawk> that what i had mentionsed a while ago
00.40.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the bookmark code is also quite large for what it does
00.40.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this may leave room for improvements
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00.44.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sourcing out some debug stuff into plugin(s) is also an option
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00.50.55 #       <zeekoe> how about the recording_as_plugin?
00.50.59 #       <zeekoe> or...
00.51.00 #       <zeekoe> hey
00.51.09 #       <zeekoe> what if recording would be compressed?
00.51.21 #       <zeekoe> and then decompressed into ram before recording was started?
00.51.35 #       <zeekoe> that way the recording bug is "fixed" too :-)
00.51.39 #       <lImbus> then rather make a FM_but_not_record_build
00.52.23 #       <amiconn> zeekoe: (1) recording is tightly integrated within the kernel. (2) the recording bug is fixed already
00.52.34 #       <zeekoe> is it?
00.52.36 #       <zeekoe> nice
00.52.37 #       <zeekoe> how?
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00.53.38 #       <amiconn> zeekoe: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/ cvs log, 23 Aug 23:05
00.54.28 #       <zeekoe> nice work!
00.54.57 #       <zeekoe> and how about the corrupt frames?
00.55.07 #       <amiconn> Linus discovered this (but then he wrote the recording in the first place). I fixed & tested
00.55.14 #       <zeekoe> ok
00.55.17 #       <zeekoe> cool
00.55.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just uploaded the latest to my box, with fonts. I find several not working!  :(
00.56.20 #       <amiconn> The corrupt frames need further investigation. Perhaps it isn't caused by the recording itself, maybe the filesystem has a bug (Linus also suspects this)
00.56.35 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Which ones?
00.56.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 00-starmap
00.57.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 5*8
00.57.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 6*9
00.57.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> atari-small
00.58.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> chicago-12
00.58.53 #       <amiconn> Ooops. This looks rather funny ;-/
00.59.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> X5*8
00.59.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> X6*9
00.59.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's it
01.00.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the interesting thing is that we can use some new fonts, which were > 9KB before
01.03.57 #       <amiconn> Hmm. What is special about these fonts?
01.04.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I will have a look tomorrow
01.05.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I suspect out-of order char ordering, size mismatch or something
01.06.41 #       <zeekoe> hm.. i think i should go to sleep
01.06.55 #       <zeekoe> see you
01.07.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> cu
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01.09.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oops, that late
01.10.00 #       * [IDC]Dragon has to sleep, too
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01.23.31 #       <lImbus> sleepy too, I'm off
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01.59.05 #       <amiconn> Arrrrrghhh!!!
01.59.35 #       <scott666_> whats wrong amiconn?
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02.00.39 #       <amiconn> Looking for the font bug [IDC]Dragon introduced. I found it, fixed it locally (at least I thought so), and wondered why the umlauts etc. only work for some fonts
02.00.49 #       <amiconn> This was my braindead thinking....
02.18.44 #       <amiconn> It does work now :)
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02.46.20 #       <amiconn> Yeah, all builds green :)
02.47.01 #       * amiconn does need some sleep too
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07.23.17 #       <webguest57> heya all
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07.24.06 #       <Smaug> anyone 'round?
07.26.06 #       <Smaug> oooooookay, assuming idle
07.26.24 #       <Smaug> had to drop a note - re: RCA Lyra 2840 player
07.26.41 #       <Smaug> this player is a great candidate for a port of Rockbox, IMHO
07.27.04 #       <Smaug> their firmware sucks and they can't seem to do much to improve it
07.27.19 #       <Smaug> however, in almost all other respects, this is a pretty solid player
07.27.35 #       <Smaug> downsides: lack of control implements
07.27.48 #       <Smaug> and non-replaceable li-ion battery
07.28.32 #       <Smaug> upsides: length of battery life; bright indiGLO display, 40GB capacity, USB 2.0 interface, removable-drive capability for WInME and above
07.29.36 #       <Smaug> I'd be willing to trade mine to the group
07.29.49 #       <Smaug> sans hard-drive, of course...
07.30.18 #       <Smaug> for a v1 Archos Recorder
07.30.23 #       <Smaug> in working condition
07.30.36 #       <Smaug> if any are interested..contact me:
07.30.42 #       <Smaug> smaug23666666@yahoo.com
07.30.48 #       <Smaug> to arrange swap
07.30.53 #       <Smaug> cheers
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08.43.17 #       <dwihno> Willkommen zurück! \o/
08.43.34 #       <midk>  /o\
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09.17.04 #       <midk> time for bed, nite
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09.22.47 #       <amiconn> Zagor: logbot still doesn't work correctly - he can't "explain" anything, and obviously has amnesia if you use "seen"
09.36.13 #       <Zagor> yes, i reinstalled so it forgot all old data. i have a backup though so i'll restore it soon
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09.39.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'morning
09.39.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: thanks for cleaning up after me
09.41.17 #       <amiconn> np
09.41.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I woke up with worries on how to debug and fix, but it's already done
09.42.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (it's no good to go to bed late with half-broken code)
09.42.33 #       <amiconn> ;) I didn't want the daily build to contain an ugly bug
09.42.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, it wasn't too ugly
09.43.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the "normal" fonts worked
09.43.53 #       <dwihno> new features?
09.44.03 #       <amiconn> (away now)
09.44.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but there's wor left: the chicago12 font is still broken
09.44.14 #       <dwihno> aha.
09.44.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/wor/work
09.44.18 #       <dwihno> how much does it save?
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09.44.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ~3KB of ROM and maybe 6 KB in RAM
09.44.50 #       <dwihno> Yay!
09.45.13 #       <dwihno> Great job!
09.45.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> plus, we could shrink the font buffer, since the fonts are only about half the size now
09.45.36 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: If chicage12 is still broken, convbdf didn't get recompiled. It works for me
09.45.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oops, you're right
09.46.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's not just the Rockbox code...
09.48.52 #       <Bagder> yeps, most fonts will fit in 4K now
09.50.07 #       <Bagder> in the current zip, only 3 fonts are bigger
09.50.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the really big ones are probably not useful anyhow
09.50.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> they are just there because somebody found a .bdf, I guess
09.50.54 #       <Bagder> I believe so too
09.51.14 #       <Bagder> I say let's lower the buffer size to 4000
09.51.52 #       <dwihno> and remove the fonts
09.51.56 #       <dwihno> (the biggest)
09.52.09 #       <Bagder> the buildzip script only includes fonts that fit
09.52.13 #       <dwihno> aaha
09.52.16 #       <dwihno> super
09.52.16 #       <Bagder> magic!
09.52.20 #       <dwihno> magic! :D
09.52.22 #       <dwihno> supermagic!
09.52.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, you added that recently
09.52.39 #       <Bagder> yeps
09.52.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you take the limit from the code?
09.52.49 #       <Bagder> I found some really HUGE fonts in the zip ;-)
09.52.52 #       <Bagder> I do
09.53.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> nice
09.53.21 #       <Bagder> so as long as the define is the same, it should work
09.53.39 #       <Bagder> I mean, the name of it
09.53.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sure ;)
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09.59.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> isn't there some script that makes previews of the fonts?
09.59.22 #       <Bagder> yes
09.59.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (maybe we just broke that)
09.59.35 #       <Bagder> I think that uses the bdf
09.59.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> where and how does it work?
09.59.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, OK then
10.00.16 #       <Bagder> bdf2bmp is in tools
10.02.06 #       * [IDC]Dragon looks at the font page
10.02.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's not automagically all the fonts, right?
10.02.43 #       <Bagder> no
10.03.00 #       <Bagder> the page isn't using the CVS to get the fonts
10.03.08 #       <Bagder> since it was made before the fonts were added to cvs
10.03.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the links to bdfconv at the bottom are probably outdated now
10.03.55 #       <Bagder> true
10.05.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I can send you a windows executable some time later today, if you like
10.06.34 #       <Bagder> I'm not sure we need to have links there
10.07.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well then
10.07.34 #       <Bagder> if you reload the page, they're gone ;-)
10.11.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see
10.12.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the tools dir is only for people who can compile
10.12.22 #       <Bagder> true
10.12.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which is not a necessary skill for a font designer
10.12.34 #       <Bagder> but veeeery few people bring their own bdf anyway
10.13.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> c u later
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10.51.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 5000 fresh bytes, haha!
10.52.03 #       <Bagder> :-)
10.55.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> lots of savings from the new for format: 3kB const code, ~4kB RAM copy of font, 5 kB reduced buffer
10.55.58 #       <Bagder> nicers
10.57.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't tell the buffer reduction to the list, or we end up with a config option
10.59.27 #       <Bagder> hehe
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11.22.48 #       <Florian__> anybody here willing to help a newbie in configuring an external usb drive (connected via pcmcia card) for suse 9.1? (it's almost like connecting an archos, i imagine)
11.24.48 #       * [IDC]Dragon is a *ix illiterate
11.25.12 #       <Florian__> same here ... :-(
11.25.37 #       <Florian__> any idea for a channel where i might find help? ##linux, #suse won't help
11.28.53 #       <dwihno> You got the pcmcia stuff up'n'running?
11.29.17 #       <Florian__> think so ... found someone on #suse. thanks for your time!
11.50.45 #       <lImbus> is the configure script able to create a rombox-build-dir ?
11.57.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> lImbus: no
11.57.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but the procedure is easy, see twiki
12.06.24 #       <lImbus> ah well. search function
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12.47.34 #       <Tobi> hi
12.47.42 #       <Tobi> how can I get the new fonts?
12.48.08 #       <Tobi> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co fonts dows not work
12.49.00 #       <Tobi> No one here? Maybe it is because of lunch time...
12.49.21 #       <Bagder> you're using an ancient cvs root
12.49.44 #       <Bagder> try -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox
12.51.15 #       <Bagder> See http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS
12.51.43 #       <Bagder> I'd suggest you checkout everything from start from the proper CVS repo
12.52.15 #       <Tobi> ah, this works
12.52.39 #       <Tobi> maybe someone should edit http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
12.52.57 #       <Tobi> I will make it
12.53.02 #       <Bagder> please do
12.55.10 #       <Tobi> it's done
12.55.23 #       <Bagder> goodie
12.55.42 #       <Tobi> thanks for your help
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14.22.58 #       <SmoothOperator> all
14.23.37 #       <Bagder> hey
14.24.04 #       <SmoothOperator> hiya Bagder whats up?
14.29.57 #       <SmoothOperator> this is gonna be fun and games, installing XP SP2
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14.48.39 #       <SmoothOperator> Hi
14.51.38 #       <lImbus> Hi Smoo
14.51.54 #       <SmoothOperator> hi
14.52.06 #       <SmoothOperator> im seeing what this windows XP SP2 is all about
14.54.15 #       <lImbus> I don't dare
14.54.30 #       <SmoothOperator> lol
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15.07.58 #       <bobTHC> hi all!
15.10.24 #       <bobTHC> I have some troubles on the Bleeding edge build for recorder. I can't resume playlist nor load it without displaying me errors
15.11.21 #       <bobTHC> "playlist error -2"
15.11.45 #       <bobTHC> or like this (i haven't my recorder with me=
15.12.31 #       <bobTHC> any idea ? (it's a JBrecorder 20gig USB 2.0)
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15.21.39 #       <b0bTHC> re 
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15.23.55 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Btw, while fixing the font problem, I found the reason why the old code didn't work for  font widths > 16. Actually, this would have needed fixing both convbdf and the drawing code too.
15.29.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you mean, because the bitmapo is stored in 16 bit data types?
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15.53.12 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (1) the calculation in (old) convbfd whether an offset map  needed is wrong, and won't work for proportional fonts crossing 16 pixel width
15.53.37 #       <amiconn> (2) the drawing code assumed width to be always 1 word either
15.54.35 #       <amiconn> (for fonts without an offset map, that is)
15.56.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't understand...
15.56.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (1) the pixel map is created in a seriaes of 16 bit values
15.57.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so a glyph can't be wider
15.57.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (2) the drawing code uses the Rockbox bitmap format
16.01.49 #       <amiconn> (1) If (some) glyphs would be wider than 16 pixels, this would need 2 words (indicated by maxwidth too). The font can only be stored without offset map if (a) all glyphs take the same space and (b) are continuous, i.e. without a gap. (a) is calculated wrong in old convbdf for width >16
16.03.53 #       <amiconn> (2) Yes, but due to the in-place rotation, the distance between 2 glyphs depends on the requirements of the non-rotated font. The calculation doesn't take into accout that there might have been more than one word per row
16.04.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, it didn't appear to me that the width can grow into 2 words
16.05.58 #       <amiconn> To fix (1), convbdf line 614 (now #ifdef'ed out) should have used pf->maxwidth instead of pf->width[i]
16.06.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> probably the non-rotating variant won't get used again
16.06.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but so far, I made a #define
16.07.50 #       <amiconn> Yes. Anyway, I wonder why that old bug didn't get detected earlier...
16.08.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because such fonts were >9KB?
16.12.32 #       <amiconn> Maybe. But then I wonder why the width was taken into account for the calculation in the first place. It would have been easier to impose a width limit. It seems that convbdf didn't get much testing...
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16.22.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: we can delete the bitmap_t type and the BITMAP_xx macros from font.h now
16.26.10 #       <amiconn> yup. Although it might be a good idea to replace BITMAP_WORDS with a new BITMAP_BYTES, and use this instead of (height + 7)/8
16.27.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> good idea, improves readybility
16.27.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> readability
16.28.22 #       <amiconn> (or call this RB_BITMAP_BYTES to indicate it's use)
16.32.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or FONT_ROWS
16.37.39 #       <amiconn> FONT_BYTE_ROWS
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22.00.06 #       <SmoothOperator> Whats the use of the new windows installer for rockbox?
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22.00.43 #       <midk_> easier installations.
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22.01.01 #       <SmoothOperator> i suppose 
22.01.11 #       <SmoothOperator> just installed XP SP2
22.01.59 #       <SmoothOperator> not that much differet
22.02.01 #       <SmoothOperator> different
22.02.11 #       <bagawk> SmoothOperator, try the firewall settings
22.02.21 #       <bagawk> i think that is where a lot of the work has been done
22.02.36 #       <SmoothOperator> yea i have
22.02.38 #       <midk> actually, it's a new security control panel, should be in the start menu or control panel.
22.02.44 #       <SmoothOperator> yea i found it
22.02.49 #       <SmoothOperator> no changes to the interface
22.03.10 #       <midk> you expect them to change the whole visual style? it's still xp, just with fixes.
22.03.44 #       <SmoothOperator> yea
22.03.59 #       <SmoothOperator> but i feel for a 75MB download they could have done more
22.04.14 #       <midk> it's behind the scenes work
22.04.37 #       <midk> i think you want a new icon package or something, not bug fixes
22.04.53 #       <bagawk> i have not tried SP2, and dont plan to for awhile (atleast on my own system)
22.05.21 #       <SmoothOperator> well im someone who likes my PC bang up to date
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22.05.32 #       <SmoothOperator> download all the updates as soon as they become available
22.06.02 #       <bagawk> my mom had a friend from work that installed SP2 3 days ago   his windows is dead because of it
22.06.13 #       <SmoothOperator> Bagawk u aren't related to Bagder by any chance?
22.06.18 #       <bagawk> nope
22.06.23 #       <SmoothOperator> just wondered
22.06.26 #       <SmoothOperator> from the similar names
22.06.31 #       <bagawk> SmoothOperator, if you have seen the nick dstar5 before, thats me
22.06.45 #       <SmoothOperator> but i have noticed that SP2 has killed the Dell logo when i switch my PC on
22.07.18 #       <bagawk> really?    the logog in the bios?
22.07.22 #       <SmoothOperator> yea
22.07.26 #       <SmoothOperator> when you switch the system on
22.07.33 #       <bagawk> do you get some text?
22.07.52 #       <SmoothOperator> just a black screen before the XP logo comes on
22.08.00 #       <bagawk> weird
22.08.06 #       <SmoothOperator> ah well
22.08.12 #       <SmoothOperator> this PC is ancient anyway
22.08.21 #       <bagawk> since this is not my system, and it is the libraries, i will install sp2  just to see
22.08.23 #       <bagawk> lol
22.08.34 #       <bagawk> i would like the logog to be gone     lol
22.08.39 #       <bagawk> *logo
22.08.42 #       <SmoothOperator> i want one of those new 3.6Ghz systems with 3Gb of RAM and a 400Gb hard disk
22.08.53 #       <bagawk> :P
22.09.02 #       <bagawk> amp 64?
22.09.04 #       <bagawk> *amd
22.09.09 #       <SmoothOperator> soon hard disks will go into the terabytes
22.09.26 #       <bagawk> nah not for awhile
22.09.32 #       <bagawk> atleast for consumers
22.09.40 #       <SmoothOperator> but Intel have made a 1Thz processor
22.10.08 #       <SmoothOperator> one small problem though
22.10.17 #       <bagawk> 10000$?
22.10.29 #       <SmoothOperator> it throws out the same amount of heat as a furnace
22.10.34 #       <bagawk> heh
22.10.50 #       <bagawk> some people overclocked a 3.2 ghz processor to 5ghz
22.10.55 #       <SmoothOperator> really?
22.10.58 #       <bagawk> and was cooled by liquid niro
22.11.01 #       <SmoothOperator> must need some serious cooling
22.11.06 #       <bagawk> they have a video i think
22.11.09 #       <bagawk> let me find it
22.11.31 #       <SmoothOperator> 5 years ago this PC was top of the range
22.11.36 #       <SmoothOperator> now its stone-age technology
22.11.43 #       <bagawk> http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031230/index.html
22.11.48 #       <SmoothOperator> cool
22.11.55 #       <bagawk> i have 1ghz computer at home
22.11.56 #       <SmoothOperator> (excuse the pun)
22.12.01 #       <bagawk> it is fine
22.12.08 #       <dwihno> 1.6GHz is good enough for me
22.12.09 #       <bagawk> just takes about 2 hours to compile linux kernel :P
22.12.12 #       <SmoothOperator> lol
22.12.26 #       <SmoothOperator> I think a 2.8Ghz Celeron will outperform my 1.5Ghz Pentium 4
22.13.27 #       <bagawk> http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_11_5ghz.zip
22.13.31 #       <bagawk> there is the video
22.13.44 #       <dwihno> how big is it?
22.13.48 #       <bagawk> hold on
22.14.06 #       <bagawk> 23 mb
22.14.07 #       <SmoothOperator> Are the Celerons really that slow?
22.14.27 #       <bagawk> some are
22.14.36 #       <bagawk> the ones with no cache are SLOW
22.14.43 #       <SmoothOperator> but 2.8Ghz is quite fast for a Celeron
22.14.44 #       <bagawk> but i do not think they are making those any more
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22.16.18 #       <SmoothOperator> hey mk is back
22.16.26 #       <midk> amazing.
22.17.10 #       <bagawk> damn i was hoping he was gone forever
22.18.21 #       <SmoothOperator> lol
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22.19.35 #       <SmoothOperator> hey, as anyone seen the new Sony HD player?
22.19.56 #       <SmoothOperator> 30 hour battery life
22.20.00 #       <SmoothOperator> magnesium chassis
22.20.06 #       <bagawk> heh
22.20.12 #       <dwihno> sounds sexy
22.20.14 #       <dwihno> url?
22.20.24 #       <SmoothOperator> there is only 1 small problem
22.20.28 #       <SmoothOperator> it only plays ATRAC3
22.20.31 #       <dwihno> it's vaporware? :)
22.20.35 #       <bagawk> :P
22.20.38 #       <dwihno> baaah!
22.21.08 #       <SmoothOperator> here is the solution
22.21.28 #       <SmoothOperator> Use the SonicStage software to convert your MP3s to ATRAC3, then back up all your MP3s onto CD or DVD or whatever
22.21.29 #       <dwihno> hack the firmware
22.21.29 #       <dwihno> ?
22.21.57 #       <dwihno> Shouldn't the backups have been made _before_ converting? :)
22.21.58 #       <scott666> SmoothOperator: i keep seeing commercials for it
22.22.02 #       <scott666> god i hate macy gray
22.22.10 #       <bagawk> so do i
22.22.31 #       <SmoothOperator> me 2
22.22.44 #       <scott666> i dont trust it
22.22.45 #       <SmoothOperator> damn i hate those li-ion batteries
22.23.06 #       <scott666> my guess is that its all low bit rate
22.23.19 #       <scott666> like you can get 20 hours out of rockbox playing 32kbps audio books
22.23.26 #       <SmoothOperator> but i feel that you are reaching dimishing returns
22.23.52 #       <SmoothOperator> you can only squeeze the file so much before sound quality suffers regardless of the codec used, be it MP3, ATRAC3, OGG and what not
22.24.21 #       <bagawk> brb
22.24.38 #       <scott666> i dont understand why they chose to do atrac3 only
22.24.41 #       <scott666> horrible move
22.24.59 #       <SmoothOperator> i see a codec where you can squeeze 999,999,999,999,999,999 CD quality files on an old 1.44Mb floppy disk
22.25.04 #       <scott666> i have 50GB of mp3, im rather haevily invested in mp3s
22.25.28 #       <scott666> SmoothOperator: midi?
22.26.09 #       <SmoothOperator> the file would look something like 03 - Macy Gray - I Try.mdk
22.26.16 #       <SmoothOperator> its called the mdk codec
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22.26.29 #       <bagawk> damn
22.26.30 #       <scott666> i think midi would sound better
22.26.44 #       <bagawk> stuiped library systems
22.27.15 #       <bagawk> i get a BSOD sometimes when i plug in anything into usb
22.28.54 #       <midk> SmoothOperator, that's not really possible
22.29.09 #       <SmoothOperator> could be, u know how advanced technology is
22.29.15 #       <scott666> midis are almost that small
22.29.35 #       <SmoothOperator> ive read somewhere they are working on a codec that makes tiny files, it works by predicting what the waveform does next during playback
22.29.41 #       <midk> considering the length of a filename, even if the files took up next to no space the filenames would be too big to get anything to fit.
22.29.57 #       <midk> 99,999,999,999,999,999 CD quality files on a 1.44mb floppy is just impossible.
22.30.00 #       <scott666> yeah, floppys are a bad example
22.30.05 #       <midk> s/99/999
22.30.15 #       <bagawk> brb
22.30.24 #       <scott666> actually, im not sure FAT32 supports that many files
22.30.31 #       <midk> 999,999,999,999,999,999 files even if they contained nothing would still take up a lot of space due to filenames.
22.30.36 #       <SmoothOperator> this is getting silly now
22.30.37 #       <midk> it's a bogus number
22.30.48 #       <SmoothOperator> we are all sounding like mikeholdens now
22.30.54 #       <midk> you're saying 999 bazillion files?
22.31.20 #       <midk> 999 bazillion 999 trillion 999 billion 999 million 999 thousand 9 hundred 99?
22.31.29 #       <SmoothOperator> ok
22.31.35 #       <midk> assuming bazillion is the right terminology.
22.31.48 #       <SmoothOperator> hey, as if someone has a music collection that big anyway
22.32.10 #       <midk> uhh, earth to smooth, you said it not me.
22.32.25 #       <SmoothOperator> hey, i was joking
22.32.44 #       <midk> wow, you sure fooled me. ;
22.32.46 #       <midk> ;)
22.33.00 #       <SmoothOperator> then we all turned into argueing mikeholdens
22.34.17 #       <SmoothOperator> which form of digital connection sounds better, electrical or optical?
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23.02.42 #       <bagawk> brb
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23.09.05 #       <midk_> hello there, nibbler
23.09.12 #       <zeekoe> hiya hey
23.10.18 #       <bagawk> hey
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23.43.22 #       <bagawk> hi LinusN 
23.45.26 #       <amiconn> hi LinusN
23.45.33 #       <zeekoe> hi LinusN 
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23.47.07 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Did you read of that problem with the fm radio not being available with current dailies on the ml?
23.48.22 #       <amiconn> I have an idea what might cause this (based on the comment by Alex Pleiner), but can't verify it due to lack of a recorder fm
23.55.21 #       <LinusN> what's the theory?
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