--- Log for 02.09.104 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.21 # have not tried, but the outside is quite directly connected to the inside, and the harddisk 00.00.29 # => noise 00.00.32 # (i think) 00.00.40 # to be honest... I accidentally broke the black wire, so I decided to yank the red one as well 00.00.46 # :) 00.00.47 # so I'll have to figure out some way to reattach it anyway 00.00.53 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.01.16 # you broke it on the jukebox side, or the mic side? 00.01.20 # or somewhere in between? 00.01.35 # basically broke it away from the jukebo 00.01.42 # +x. so the mic itself has both wires connected to it 00.03.29 # hm... bad 00.03.54 Quit silencer ("Lost terminal") 00.03.58 # I would guess it could be reattached by solder or rubber cement or something 00.04.01 # I would hope :) 00.04.28 # probably 00.04.38 # maybe you have to remove the cpu board though 00.04.40 # strange wires connected to it? 00.04.47 # what unit do you have? 00.04.56 # I have an FM recorder 00.05.03 # ohh 00.05.06 Part LinusN 00.05.12 # the mic in the v1 is easy to replace 00.05.35 # all you would need to do is take off the fronts cover 00.05.59 Join silencer [0] (~silencer@dyn-213-36-104-61.ppp.tiscali.fr) 00.06.15 # bagawk: is it? 00.06.23 # hmm 00.06.38 # humm it may be a bit hard to unsolder with just the front cover off 00.06.46 # ok 00.06.53 # hopes gone... 00.07.00 # i'll get some solder wick 00.07.09 # you could still do it 00.07.22 # yeah, making the mic _really_hot :P 00.07.34 # hey, do you guys know where I would look to get a replacement mic this size or additional wire this small? 00.07.54 # you didnt broke the mic, did you? 00.08.22 # I don't think so. just the red and black wires are now detached from the board 00.08.28 # in the US, there seems to be something called 'radio shack' where you can probably buy stuff like this 00.08.36 # ok, then you probably wont need a new mic 00.08.56 # just strip a bit off the wires, and solder them back 00.09.08 # or get new wires 00.09.29 # yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- new wires. I'd like to have them a bit longer 00.10.42 # now, I haven't ever soldered, myself. my brother has a kit. is it pretty simple to do? or would I be safer with rubber cement? 00.12.01 # uh 00.12.03 # rubber cement? 00.12.08 # is that conducting? 00.12.13 # doesnt sound like it is 00.12.37 # maybe i'll be sleeping/nick gromit`aw 00.12.42 Nick gromit[DLM] is now known as gromit`aw (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-32-220.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.12.45 # grr :) 00.12.46 # cya 00.12.50 # night 00.12.51 # then as far as soldering... 00.13.04 # so long 00.14.08 # you can perhaps buy a small pcb with holes, and some cheap components and practice a bit 00.14.40 # i can say it isnt hard, but i've been soldering for 10 years, since i was nine :) 00.14.48 # just get a dead board of some type, and try with that 00.15.17 # oh ok 00.15.19 # yeah, good idea, thats cheaper too :) 00.15.37 # I have some of those around, I'm sure 00.16.16 Quit AciD` (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.43 # bed time 00.17.45 # night 00.17.53 # see ya 00.18.06 # good luck :) 00.18.13 Quit zeekoe ("muahaha") 00.25.45 Quit Elemeno () 00.33.08 Quit _aLF ("Leaving") 00.41.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.41.24 Join OPP [0] (~OPP@adsl-69-208-176-72.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 00.41.26 # hi 00.41.51 # is there any informarion on the iriver h-120 firmare I heard there was a project that bjorg started 00.44.46 Quit silencer ("Lost terminal") 00.51.25 Quit edx () 00.56.43 # i dont know anything about that 00.56.47 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 01.01.46 Join tpelliott [0] (telliott@208-251-255-120.res.evv.cable.sigecom.net) 01.02.41 # Anyone have a new build of rombox? 01.04.58 # is there any informarion on the iriver h-120 firmare I heard there was a project that bjorg started 01.18.16 Part tpelliott 01.22.49 Part amiconn 01.48.39 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.57.06 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 02.41.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.23.31 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-73-41.dynamic.qsc.de) 03.41.37 Quit mecraw_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 03.55.39 # is there any informarion on the iriver h-120 firmare I heard there was a project that bjorg started 04.39.26 Join bagawk [0] (~80c10006@labb.contactor.se) 04.39.26 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.41.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.03.38 Quit OPP () 05.15.44 Nick scott666_ is now known as scott666 (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 05.18.08 Join maikeul [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-17-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.21.51 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.26.09 Quit maikeul (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.26.09 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.26.09 Quit mbr (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.26.40 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.26.40 NJoin maikeul [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-17-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.26.40 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 05.33.57 # mbr: you never say anything in here :) 05.37.50 Quit gromit`aw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.20 # bye 05.49.37 Quit bagawk ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)") 05.56.22 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-73-41.dynamic.qsc.de) 06.22.06 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.35.47 Join Elemeno [0] (~4givn@dpc691997050.direcpc.com) 06.36.57 # does anyone know anything about the archos LCD screen? 06.39.17 # hm, ask. 06.40.38 # well... I noticed there's a chip in the black part of the screen (the part normally covered up by the case), and now when I turn the Archos on, the top of the screen flickers black, and the bottom half is completely blank 06.41.06 # ..did you tamper with it? 06.41.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.41.40 # I took it apart, but somehow this little piece got chipped off. I'm not sure how 06.42.00 # the actual screen part looks fine, but this black piece is chipped, and then I noticed the problem with the screen 06.42.45 # the 'black piece' is probably quite important 06.43.01 # http://www.newmp3technology.net/proddetail.php?prod=rl&PHPSESSID=fbb50850c46582ab87520be53cc93652 06.43.46 # thanks. I guess this doesn't come with replacement instructions, huh? 06.44.14 # hmm... 06.44.21 # i suppose not 06.44.38 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/repairlcd.html 06.45.14 # all right, thanks 06.45.22 # np 06.45.27 # be more careful, ;p 06.45.53 # yeah :) 06.46.00 # good luck 06.46.02 # I didn't begin the day planning on breaking it 06.46.04 # :() 06.46.07 # thanks again 06.46.17 # seeya 06.46.27 Quit Elemeno () 07.22.55 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.06.09 Nick midk is now known as midk|sleep (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 08.06.20 # bed, nite 08.06.30 # nite 08.07.06 Join Nibbler [0] (~andrer@port-212-202-73-41.dynamic.qsc.de) 08.25.20 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7F393.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.25.20 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.41.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.53.39 # LinusN: I'm not absolutely sure, but I think our implementation of O_TRUNC in file.c is not correct. From what I could find, O_TRUNC just specifies that the file should be truncated to zero length at open(), not that it should be truncated to the file pointer position on close. 08.55.32 # possible 08.55.54 # the current implementation in rockbox is a performance optimization 08.58.38 # we could add some logic to keep track of the file size, so it only removes the information beyond the newly created information 08.59.46 # if we truncate the file on open(), we waste lots of time freeing clusters that will be reallocated again when new information is written 08.59.58 # Yes. I could think of something like a "truncate pointer". If a file is opened with O_TRUNC, this is set to 0, without O_TRUNC it is set to the file size 09.00.11 # ftruncate() would set this pointer directly 09.00.25 # something like that, yes 09.00.53 # when writing, the truncate pointer is set to the file pointer if the file pointer is greater than the truncate pointer 09.01.05 # yup 09.01.25 # want me to do it, or do you want to do it? 09.01.55 # have a meeting now, gotta go 09.02.19 # I think we should first verify if the behaviour is thought of correct 09.03.01 # (with testing e.g. on linux and cygwin) 09.03.28 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.07.02 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD95D1B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.07.18 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.07.18 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD95D1B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.17.28 # LinusN: Perhaps the file.size value could be used for that? 10.17.25 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 10.41.09 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 10.41.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.41.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> 'morning 10.44.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder, are or will you be on the ROMbox building? 10.44.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> since we talked about it recently 10.45.24 # yes, I want to make that build out-of-the-box 10.47.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think you're not using gcc 3.3.1 currently, do you? 10.47.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> that one seems the best choice 10.49.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: have you tries compiling with -Os (optimize for space)? 10.49.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> s/tries/tried 10.49.47 # we're still using 3.0.4 for the automatic builds 10.50.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> good reason to switch ;-) 10.50.51 # yes 10.51.40 # [IDC]Dragon: Have you gotten 3.4.x to generate binaries? 10.51.41 # still, the build process should check the output size or something 10.52.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> dwihno: I haven't even gotten 3.4 to compile... :-( 10.52.28 # [IDC]Dragon: I did try to compile with -Os. This caused a warning that I fixed, so rockbox now compiles cleanly with -Os. However, I didn't test the resulting binaries 10.52.34 # [IDC]Dragon: Hmm... Error? 10.52.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> dwihno: it was something strange, but I don't remember 10.53.09 # [IDC]Dragon: ah, okay... too bad. 10.53.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> dwihno: sorry, that was with 3.3.1. I didn't try 3.4, since it generates larger code 10.53.52 # dwihno: I tried gcc 3.4. This creates larger binaries than 3.3, see my wiki article about rombox 10.54.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> and I read some people not recommending 3.4 in general 10.56.50 # amiconn, [IDC]Dragon: Ah, okay. 10.58.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'd really like to get 3.3.1 running on my system, nobosy else had problems :-( 10.59.13 # Just do exactly as someone else has done :) ? 10.59.16 # [IDC]Dragon: Did you try BlueChip's devkit. Iirc that contains gcc 3.3.1 10.59.20 # ? 10.59.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> away now 11.08.57 Quit Bagder ("Leaving") 11.16.56 Quit mbr (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.16.56 Quit maikeul (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit [IDC]Dragon (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit LinusN (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit Hadaka (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit amiconn (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit scott666 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit midk|sleep (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.16.56 Quit Zagor (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.17.40 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.17.40 NJoin [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 11.17.40 NJoin amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.17.40 NJoin Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 11.17.40 NJoin LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 11.17.40 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 11.17.40 NJoin maikeul [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-17-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.17.40 NJoin scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 11.17.40 NJoin midk|sleep [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 11.17.40 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) 11.23.50 Join dwihno_ [0] (~dw@81.8.224.89) 11.29.30 Quit dwihno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.37.48 Nick dwihno_ is now known as dwihno (~dw@81.8.224.89) 11.50.36 Join lImbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) 12.00.35 Join uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 12.00.50 Nick LinusN is now known as lunch (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.01.38 Nick lunch is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.01.54 # :-) 12.04.02 # hi LinusN 12.04.09 # (and everyonbe else ;)) 12.04.12 # -b 12.04.34 # hey uski 12.24.54 Join LePoulpe303 [0] (~lpos@AMontpellier-251-1-33-127.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.25.12 # Hi there 12.26.25 # hi 12.26.59 # are you THE linus ? 12.28.33 # THE rockbox LINUS i mean ; not the one for linux 12.28.39 # ;-) 12.29.12 # haha 12.30.08 # Congratulations, for the rockbox project ; i find that pretty impressive 12.30.50 # \o/ 12.31.22 # yes, i am *the* rockbox linux :-) 12.32.09 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 12.32.09 # * LinusN can't even spell his own name 12.32.40 # your firstname has became on of the most famous in computer history 12.32.50 # with Bill ; 12.33.29 # all thanks to rockbox :-) 12.33.31 # Ok i came just quickly to do a mass greet for rockbox team 12.33.41 # LePoulpe303: thanks 12.33.42 # how nice of you 12.34.07 # thanks for your great software ; 12.34.23 # bye 12.34.25 Part LePoulpe303 12.37.49 # :-) 12.37.51 # Nice guy 12.38.02 # He just dropped by to tell he enjoys the software :) 12.38.22 # You should add a "send us a postcard if you enjoy rockbox" note on the webpage 12.38.32 # That way, we'll see what nationalities uses rockbox :) 12.38.38 # Not such a bad idea, huh? 12.39.02 # theres people from all kinds of weird places on the mailing list 12.39.56 # course i suppose the definition of weird changes quite a bit from person to person 12.40.22 # but that should balance out due to relativity 12.41.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.49.54 Join GusLacerda [0] (~mirc@adsl-dc-38f49.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 12.54.32 # hello 12.54.32 Quit mbr (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.54.32 Quit maikeul (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit LinusN (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit [IDC]Dragon (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit dwihno (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit Hadaka (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit amiconn (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit uski (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit scott666 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit Zagor (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit midk|sleep (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.54.32 Quit GusLacerda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.54.53 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.54.53 NJoin uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 12.54.53 NJoin dwihno [0] (~dw@81.8.224.89) 12.54.53 NJoin [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 12.54.53 NJoin amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.54.53 NJoin Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.54.53 NJoin LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.54.53 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 12.54.53 NJoin maikeul [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-17-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.54.53 NJoin scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 12.54.53 NJoin midk|sleep [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 12.54.53 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) 12.58.13 Join GugLacer [0] (~mirc@adsl-dc-38f49.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 12.59.50 # hi again... I got disconnected. 12.59.57 # Anyway, can I record from a normal mic? Which box should I buy? 13.02.01 # you need a mic preamplifier 13.02.20 # the archos input is line-level which expects much higher levels than a microphone gives 13.45.38 Quit mbr (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 NSplit leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.45.38 Quit maikeul (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit LinusN (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit [IDC]Dragon (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit GugLacer (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit Hadaka (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit dwihno (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit amiconn (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit scott666 (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit Zagor (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit midk|sleep (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.45.38 Quit uski (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.46.33 NHeal leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.46.33 NJoin GugLacer [0] (~mirc@adsl-dc-38f49.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 13.46.33 NJoin uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 13.46.33 NJoin dwihno [0] (~dw@81.8.224.89) 13.46.33 NJoin [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 13.46.33 NJoin amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.46.33 NJoin Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 13.46.33 NJoin LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.46.33 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) 13.46.33 NJoin maikeul [0] (~gromit@ALagny-151-1-17-250.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.46.33 NJoin scott666 [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 13.46.33 NJoin midk|sleep [0] (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 13.46.33 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) 13.49.33 Join webguest07 [0] (~d9cf9173@labb.contactor.se) 13.50.20 Quit webguest07 (Client Quit) 13.54.18 Quit GugLacer (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.12.56 Join GugLacer [0] (~mirc@adsl-dc-38f49.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 14.13.07 # sorry, I keep getting disconnected 14.15.35 # how is the quality you get by recording this way? How does it compared to sticking a mic into a PC soundcard? 14.16.06 Join EvilDude [0] (EvilDude@CPE-144-133-103-151.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 14.16.47 Join webguest17 [0] (~90856797@labb.contactor.se) 14.17.03 Quit webguest17 (Client Quit) 14.17.15 # does anyone here record into a RockBox with a mic? 14.23.51 Quit EvilDude () 14.25.02 # GugLacer: yes, i've done it a few times using the archos mic+preamp 14.25.28 # did it come out good? 14.25.46 # yeah, pretty good. 14.26.02 # any recommendations regarding which mic+preamp to buy? 14.26.15 # or do they come with the box? 14.26.23 # i think there are some in the faq on our webpage 14.26.30 # no, the mic is an extra 14.27.46 # I already have a dynamic mic, with plug like an electric guitar's 14.28.37 # should that fit? 14.31.17 # no 14.31.41 # thanks. 14.31.51 # just one more question: 14.32.35 # which is the cheapest box that will allow me to record with this kind of quality? 14.34.23 # i think the archos is probably the cheapest 14.35.40 # which model? 14.37.18 # they only sell one model i think 14.41.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.42.04 # well, I've seen a few names: Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio, Recorder, FM Recorder and Recorder V2 MP3 players 14.42.41 # you need one of the recorder models 14.42.43 # will all of them record with an external mic+preamp? 14.43.04 # is the Studio also a recorder model? 14.44.26 # the models with "recorder" in the name are recorder models 14.46.05 # can I put the music out into my stereo speakers? 14.46.29 # or is it only meant to be used with headphones? 14.48.57 # you can connect the Ear output to your stereo 14.49.39 # Also, you can use the digital out feature 14.49.48 # How do you use that btw? :) 14.50.55 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#72 14.51.08 # \o/ Svar på tal \o/ 14.52.30 # when recording, can you play along with a rhythm, MIDI accompaniment or something similar? 14.52.47 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 14.53.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi daniel, nice to have you as a "user" again 14.53.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> does it work? 14.53.33 # it works 14.53.46 # LinusN: Basically, one should be able to "copy" music digitally by simply connecting the digital ports and recording on the "receiver"-side? 14.53.48 # Can you do multi-track recording? 14.54.09 # no 14.54.15 # dang! 14.54.30 # mp3 is stereo only 14.54.31 # is someone working on it though? 14.55.10 # no linux 2.6 "how to mount your archos" anywhere? 14.55.13 # sure, but it could be stored as multiple MP3s 14.55.52 # GugLacer: the hardware can't do it 14.56.22 # is it not possible to play a file while recording another one? 14.56.29 # no 14.56.59 # dwihno: yes, but the archos recorder compresses to MP3, so the copy won't be identical 14.57.33 # LinusN: True, but you would still get a digital transferred (so-called) copy 14.57.52 # LinusN: we need some serial linking software :) 14.57.56 # dwihno: yes, but it would be worse and worse for every copy 14.58.08 # LinusN: an archos<-->archos file transfer plugin 14.58.34 # Zagor: Indeed. I just wanted to make sure I get the theory correct in the ol' noodle 14.59.07 # the S/PDIF stream contains copyright information 14.59.44 # so a "well-behaved" S/PDIF recorder should not record streams with the copyright bit set 14.59.57 # fyi, rockbox is not well-behaved 15.00.20 # hey 15.00.26 # how do I mount the thing? 15.00.46 # it is present in /proc/bus/usb/devices 15.01.24 # Zagor: what size is the mic in? the same as a PC? 15.01.25 # Bagder: when did you turn into a lamer? 15.01.57 # I've never mounted it under 2.6 15.02.01 # GugLacer: http://www.minidisc.org/images/archos_mic_and_preamp.jpg 15.02.13 # I've always been a lamer 15.02.16 # I just hide it at times 15.03.06 # 2.6 is a lot less obvious on this than 2.4 was 15.03.28 # yes, usb devices get new device names for each connect 15.03.48 # you need to use a helper daemon like udev to assign a symbolic device name to it 15.03.51 # yes, and it doesn't say what device name it is using right now 15.04.05 # i can help you when I get home... 15.04.21 # ok, can you beam me a mail/write a wiki page? 15.04.33 # yup 15.04.44 # there's a little rascal here pulling me anyway right now ;-) 15.05.16 # :) 15.05.22 # if you guys have the time, we shoul m n,m n 15.05.23 # ,m0oi 15.05.27 # oops 15.05.46 # install sh-elf-gcc 3.3.1 on labb 15.10.42 # bbl 15.10.44 Quit Bagder ("Leaving") 15.26.16 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 15.29.24 Quit AciD (Connection reset by peer) 15.29.42 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 15.44.37 Quit GugLacer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.12 Join method`skav [0] (skav@67-50-35-177.nrp1feld.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 16.04.12 Part LinusN 16.08.04 Join Elemeno [0] (~4givn@dpc691997050.direcpc.com) 16.14.40 # hey, has anyone ever done an LCD replacement on the FM recorder? 16.18.54 Quit uski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.19.48 Join AciD` [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 16.29.59 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAA95B.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.34.09 Quit AciD (Connection timed out) 16.41.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.49.35 Quit Elemeno () 17.04.06 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 17.13.33 Join aS|bEater [0] (beater@pD9E82C81.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.14.53 # Hallo guys, I have a strange problem with my archos jukebox recorder 20 v2 :-( 17.15.28 Join bagawk [0] (Lee@ACC2A531.ipt.aol.com) 17.16.11 # I use Rockbox since 4 months and at the last days, at scrolling in my playlist the jukebox crashed and now I dont can boot :( 17.16.27 # i only see the rockbox screen 17.16.57 # ive found this problem also in the bugarea but no one had a fix 17.17.04 # wow 17.17.43 # were the batteries low? 17.18.07 # some times I see a error like "no fat16/32" system found, pls format disk, but i dont get a usb connection :( 17.18.16 # [17:20:25] [bagawk]: were the batteries low? <- at the crash? 17.18.19 # i think so 17.18.27 # yes 17.18.48 # i dont know but i think they was low 17.18.50 # well if you get that error, then i would guess you need to format 17.18.59 # you will have to get it on USB 17.19.05 # how format without usb connection? 17.19.09 # is your unit flashed? 17.19.18 # with rockbox yes 17.19.36 # ok then *hopefully* this will work 17.19.45 # *hope* 17.19.46 # with the unit off, plug in the usb cord 17.19.55 # k 17.20.10 # then hold in F!, and press ON 17.20.11 # *F1 17.21.01 # it startet automaticaly when i put the usb cable in 17.21.22 # ohh i guess the v2/fm units do that 17.21.27 # yes v2 17.21.35 # then you will want to be holding F1, and then plug in USB 17.21.42 # k 17.22.12 # how long 17.22.13 # lol 17.22.15 # i hold 17.22.16 # ^^ 17.22.50 # just hold it unitl you plug in usb, wait a sc, and you can let go 17.22.55 # *second 17.23.02 # ah 17.24.08 # after long boot time the normal usb screen in there 17.24.31 # ok so oyu have it on your PC now :) 17.24.46 # can you see the drive or not? 17.24.52 # and the usb symbol in the task (that i see but i dont get the HDD @ "My Computer") 17.25.01 # nah dont dont see the drive :( 17.25.15 # ok then the partition is gone, tie to format 17.25.26 # right click my computer, go to manage 17.25.47 # wait 17.26.05 # omg my computer is very instable since i put the archos on 17.26.09 # white screen 17.26.15 # ouch 17.26.20 # is this windows xp? 17.26.41 # yes 17.26.42 # but 17.26.43 # yeaah 17.26.49 # is see the drive :D 17.27.00 # ohh good ;) 17.27.01 # but atm instable i hope 17.27.06 # that i can format 17.27.13 # then you can try check disk on it 17.27.20 # it will just repair 17.28.02 # format is better or? i saved all my mp3s local 17.28.14 # but whitescreen atm ^^ 17.28.38 # well it may be a bbit better, but do you *really* want to wait all that time to recopy everything? 17.29.27 # i thought my jukebox is broken.. when it is not so, i will :D 17.29.38 # sry for my crap english, im german ;) 17.29.46 # your english is good 17.30.03 # thx and youre very friendly 17.30.12 # your welcome :) 17.30.33 # bagawk: If he has USB 2.0, this doesn't take too long. I copied ~ 20 GB back and forth when I upgraded my hd - took about 30 mins either direction 17.30.50 # wow 17.31.07 # i have still yet to take the time to get all my music on my archos :P 17.31.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> hello Lee 17.31.39 # hey Jorg 17.31.41 # i dont have usb 2.0 atm 17.31.55 # hey Jorg :D 17.32.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> bagawk: your board is working! Many thanks again! 17.32.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> it's in the box of my g/f now 17.32.40 # aS|bEater: with USB 1.1 copying several GB is no fun :( 17.32.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> turbocharged to USB2.0 17.32.55 # when i do a rightclick on the drive "My Computer" freeze 17.33.07 # i think theyre any conflicts between the archos and my pc 17.33.14 # i gave someone a gmail invite, and in return he gave me acess to all his music 17.33.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> Win98? 17.33.24 # he has lots of it also around 30 GB :) 17.33.26 # xp sp2 17.33.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> should behave 17.34.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> bagawk: nice 17.34.09 # [IDC]Dragon: your welcome for the board 17.34.10 # nothing happens :/ 17.34.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> on the net? 17.34.17 # yes 17.34.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> nice hosting 17.34.55 # humm well he has a good DSl which he is hosting it on, but he is in europe, and getting here it is a bit slow :( 17.35.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> what's a gmail invite? 17.35.24 # it is something that invites people to gmail :) 17.35.30 # see gmail.google.com 17.35.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> isn't Google mail the service that reads all you emails? 17.35.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> and spams you based on content? 17.36.05 # it does not spam at all 17.36.39 # it does look through your mail and find like productts listed in it or so, and puts text adss for it 17.36.46 # but i dont even notice 17.36.56 # you see the same ads when you search google 17.37.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> and what's your credit in "inviting"? 17.38.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> I mean, they are probably happy about whoever registers? 17.38.11 # i try to format @ cmd format g: now 17.38.11 # people will give you stuff at http://www.gmailswap.com/ 17.38.23 # aS|bEater: ok 17.38.59 # C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\BEATER2\WINDOWS>format g: 17.39.00 # Der Typ des Dateisystems ist FAT32. 17.39.01 # ACHTUNG: ALLE DATEN AUF DEM 17.39.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK aS|bEater 17.39.02 # FESTPLATTENLAUFWERK G: GEHEN VERLOREN! 17.39.03 # Formatierung durchführen (J/N)? j 17.39.04 *** Alert Mode level 1 17.39.04 # Überprüfung von 19077 MB 17.39.06 # 0 Prozent bearbeitet. 17.39.10 # 0% 17.39.12 # ^^ 17.39.33 # sry for spam :P 17.39.45 # that should not take long 17.39.52 # under a minute 17.40.35 # the hdd make sounds but 0% 17.40.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> bagawk: ah, it's not publicly open yet, and they make an elite hype from it 17.40.51 # [IDC]Dragon: exactly 17.41.02 # but it really is good 17.41.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> the hype doesn't work for me 17.41.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> I got 1GB mail store at GMX 17.42.11 # you can also search your mail, just like the google search :) 17.42.48 # and mails are grouped with all the replys making a "conversation" thats my favorite part of it 17.42.49 # 2%!!! :D 17.43.27 # ok mate i will chill now several hours at my couch and wait, if the problem is fixed i will tell it to you, many thx 17.43.32 # aS|bEater: As you are on usb 1.1, this can take a loooong time 17.43.39 # i am ;) 17.43.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> probably your battery is empty before 17.44.11 # i scrolled through my playlist and than freeze 17.44.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> am I missing something, you should have done a quickformat 17.44.22 # i reboot and at splashscreen it freeze to 17.44.31 # i am going bye for a bit see you 17.44.35 # :) 17.44.38 # yes dragon, i forgot ;) 17.44.42 # cu bagawk 17.44.49 Quit bagawk ("umount /dev/brain") 17.45.04 # i dont got a usb connection 17.45.14 # but with on+f1 works a little bit 17.45.34 # but in My Computer alls freeze if i do a rightclick 17.45.39 # on Archos 17.45.52 # so i try now to format at the commandwindow 17.46.09 # i hope i can fix it 17.46.17 # i thought it is a hddcrash 17.46.33 # cause the hdd made strangesounds and so on 17.49.05 *** Alert Mode OFF 17.49.42 # im afk now, thanks for the tips 17.50.08 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 18.41.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.58 Quit mecraw (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.51.20 Join webguest09 [0] (~a81ccb8a@labb.contactor.se) 18.54.18 Part webguest09 18.57.33 Quit AciD` (Connection timed out) 18.59.09 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 19.07.45 Quit mecraw (Remote closed the connection) 19.08.25 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 19.08.57 Join mecraw_ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 19.09.08 Quit mecraw (Remote closed the connection) 19.09.13 Quit mecraw_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.10.57 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 19.16.47 Quit edx () 19.29.31 Join Elemeno [0] (~4givn@dpc691997050.direcpc.com) 19.31.05 Join oxygen77 [0] (~c262079b@labb.contactor.se) 19.31.17 Quit oxygen77 (Client Quit) 19.31.51 Join oxygen77 [0] (~c262079b@labb.contactor.se) 19.33.36 Quit oxygen77 (Client Quit) 19.42.43 Join bagawk [0] (Lee@ACC085C7.ipt.aol.com) 19.43.02 # has anyone ever taken the LCD screen off the FM recorder? 19.56.04 Join oxygen77 [0] (~c262079b@labb.contactor.se) 19.57.55 Quit oxygen77 (Client Quit) 20.02.36 # Elemeno: why? 20.03.38 Quit bagawk ("umount /dev/brain") 20.12.32 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.13.08 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 20.13.10 Join mecraw_ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 20.16.58 Join _alf [0] (~alex@d213-103-79-234.cust.tele2.fr) 20.17.12 # <_alf> hi 20.27.26 # hi 20.39.32 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 20.41.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.43.03 Quit Elemeno () 20.44.40 Quit aS|bEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.33 Part lImbus 20.52.30 Join XavierGr [0] (~3e4a9085@labb.contactor.se) 20.53.24 Part mecraw 20.54.04 Quit XavierGr (Client Quit) 21.00.49 Nick midk|sleep is now known as midk (~midk@c-24-18-39-204.client.comcast.net) 21.01.20 Quit midk (Remote closed the connection) 21.32.15 Join bagawk [0] (Lee@ACC60EC4.ipt.aol.com) 21.48.13 Quit bagawk ("umount /dev/brain") 22.01.22 Join mecraw__ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 22.01.22 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.01.45 Join mecraw_ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 22.02.02 Join mecraw___ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 22.07.55 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 22.12.10 Part mecraw___ 22.12.11 Part mecraw_ 22.12.18 Quit mecraw__ (Remote closed the connection) 22.13.11 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 22.15.01 # amiconn: is GCC 3.3.1 better than say 3.3.4 for rombox? 22.16.09 # Can't tell. As I'm on cygwin, I use the precompiled GCC package. I didn't get GCC 3.3.x to compile (unlike GCC 3.4.x, which compiles under cygwin) 22.16.11 # We need const:igare code :) 22.16.35 # ok 22.16.46 # I'll get 3.3.4 and I'll find out then! ;-) 22.16.57 # Okay. 22.17.35 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 22.18.24 Join lImbus_ [0] (~MDJ@r223.hermann.RWTH-Aachen.DE) 22.19.22 Nick lImbus_ is now known as lImbus (~MDJ@r223.hermann.RWTH-Aachen.DE) 22.20.47 # Zagor: where's that mount hint? ;-) 22.35.40 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.35.40 # * Bagder sighs 22.35.48 # darned gcc failed to build 22.39.22 Join mecraw_ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 22.40.09 # Bagder: Am I right that Zagor wrote file.c? 22.40.58 # yes 22.41.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.42.56 # The file handling doesn't behave Posix like (the handling of O_TRUNC is wrong, this morning I briefly talked with Linus about that) 22.43.42 # oh 22.43.46 # badness 22.46.04 # This is why the fix for playlist.c is needed - if the O_TRUNC handling were correct, it would be unnecessary. I found that because I wondered why it worked in the sim, but not on the target 22.46.31 # I noticed that fix and I thought it looked weird 22.47.46 # Yes.. It opens the file with creat() (includes O_TRUNC), immediately closes it again (to effectively create a zero-byte file), then reopens it without O_TRUNC to avoid the broken handling 22.52.28 Quit lImbus (" WOW! This IRC Client ownz! HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 22.55.01 # gcc 3.3.1 failed to build too... 22.55.17 # grrr 22.57.42 Quit mecraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.04 # gcc-3.3.4/gcc/tsystem.h:72:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory 23.01.07 # :-( 23.02.01 # blame Zagor? 23.02.59 # it's on my own computer, but sure blaming zagor is always fun! ;-) 23.04.37 # :-) 23.09.03 Join uski [0] (~uski@gandalf.digital-network.org) 23.09.22 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 23.09.40 # evening linus 23.09.45 # Bagder: gcc problems? 23.09.52 # hi again all 23.10.03 # LinusN: yes, no gcc builds for me 23.10.15 # want some help? 23.10.16 # and I know why, but I don't see how it is supposed to work 23.10.57 # since it doesn't find stdio.h and family 23.11.03 # 3.3.1, right? 23.11.09 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d9ff8a02@labb.contactor.se) 23.11.13 # and 3.3.4 23.11.18 # good evening [IDC]Dragon 23.11.25 # the 3.3 series has a bug in the sh1 target 23.11.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi Uski, the man I'm looking for 23.11.36 # wow 23.11.38 # * uski is proud 23.11.43 # LinusN: you worked around it? 23.11.46 # that makes it hard to build without a target library 23.11.56 # yes, build it with newlib 23.12.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> I have that board ready (=spare) now 23.12.08 # ooooo 23.12.12 # interesting :D 23.12.15 # oh 23.12.23 # like we did in the old days 23.12.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> will ship it soonish 23.12.49 # thanks a lot 23.12.59 # let me give you my postal addr in a query window 23.13.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, Bagder: sorry for messing in here 23.13.14 # you can follow my old instructions that they stole on the openneo project page 23.14.11 # They STOLE them? 23.14.15 # Make them pay! 23.14.26 # LinusN: URL? 23.15.13 # www.openneo.com 23.15.29 # :-) 23.15.42 # http://www.ssiamerica.com/open/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=4 23.15.53 # right, they have silly URLs 23.17.13 # Zagor: u here? 23.18.41 # LinusN: Zagor idle 29590, ... 23.19.38 # well, was just going to tell him that his recorder has white backlight now 23.19.45 # wooo 23.19.54 # Bagder: your laptop is not ready 23.20.10 # * LinusN should open a repair shop 23.20.13 # LinusN: are you Sly the repair guy? 23.20.26 # Bicycle Repair Man 23.20.43 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 23.20.47 # LinusN: what's wrong with the laptop? 23.20.58 # broken power connector 23.21.11 # doh 23.21.15 # aah 23.21.22 # and usually they are using "strange" power connectors 23.21.29 # the kind you can't find in any shop :) 23.21.37 # this one looks pretty common 23.21.48 # LinusN: your work-around seems to work nicely 23.22.00 # on my previous laptop, i wanted to have a car charger : i was not able to find a plug that would fit the power connector, i had to take the one of my Epson scanner and replace the connector and the plug 23.22.12 # (isn't my life very interesting ? :D) 23.22.48 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.23.33 # Bagder: took me quite some time to find out 23.23.47 # all web pages describe a much simpler workaround 23.23.55 # I can understand that! I'll update the wiki-page 23.24.06 # but that workaround works for all targets *but* the SH1 23.24.52 # "to the core dev team": i bought some flash chips for my recorder, and i have some I would like to donate to "the rockbox project". do you know anyone in need of them ? (SST39VF020, not blank, flashed with something unknown) 23.25.00 # Bagder: is your recorder USB1.1? 23.25.10 # no 23.25.27 # 2.0 23.25.29 # rec20 23.25.47 # good, i feared that only older recorders had black bumpers 23.26.07 # i had a rec20/usb2 with black bumpers 23.26.13 # but im downgrading to usb1 :( 23.26.42 # it says 2.0 on the outside 23.26.45 # uski: after the unsuccessful flash replacement? 23.27.12 # LinusN: yea. [idc]dragon is kindly giving me an "old" USB1 CPU board 23.27.12 # btw, gcc 3.3.4 build failed anyway 23.27.17 # not at all annoying 23.27.22 # Bagder: how? 23.27.36 # LinusN : if you want to get some practice for your repair shop i may send you my old cpu board :) 23.27.58 # :-) how damaged is it? 23.28.03 # /home/daniel/src/gcc-3.3.4/newlib/libc/argz/argz_add.c:13: error: parse error before "argz_add" 23.28.12 # make[7]: *** [argz_add.o] Error 1 23.28.19 # LinusN : no idea, i actually wasn't able to find the problem !!! 23.28.34 # must be something stupid but i'm not very used to do HW repair i must admit 23.28.43 # maybe I should try the newer newlib 23.28.48 # uski: send it to me 23.28.49 # even if i have some SMT soldering practice 23.29.31 # brb 23.29.34 Quit midk (Remote closed the connection) 23.32.34 # good night all 23.32.46 Part uski 23.33.04 # time to sleep for me too 23.33.08 # nite all 23.33.12 # night 23.33.22 Part LinusN 23.34.05 # amiconn: nice catch on that playlist bug, it explains problems reported by a few other users. I also agree with you that the correct bug fix is in the file code. 23.34.40 # hi hardeep! Long time no see (and I didn't notice you come in) 23.35.21 # Yes, I digged up some posix docs today. The O_TRUNC behaviour in rockbox is wrong 23.36.20 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 23.36.48 # yeah, although it looks like it would be pretty easy to fix. We keep a tally of the current file size don't we? 23.38.05 # Yes. I *think* it should be possible to set the file->size entry to 0 if opened with O_TRUNC (and get rid of the file->trunc struct member), but I don't know whether this would break the fat handling 23.38.12 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.25 # (i.e. could lead to "lost chains" or such) 23.38.34 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 23.38.53 # hmmmm, it might 23.39.34 # i guess we could always store two sizes 23.40.22 # In fact, setting file->size to 0 would be a requirement with O_TRUNC, because otherwise, if the program asks for the file size, it would be reported wrong 23.41.24 # We could simply truncate for real on open, but this would discard the performance optimization that the current implementation is intended for 23.42.26 Join mecraw__ [0] (~lmarlow@69.2.235.2) 23.42.43 # yeah, and not really needed 23.43.08 # anything wrong with keeping both a "real" file size and a current file size 23.43.16 # using the real one when truncating? 23.47.15 # night 23.47.15 Quit Bagder ("Leaving") 23.50.02 # hardeep: It's surely possible, but I'd like to ask Zagor whether it's necessary at all. Perhaps the fat driver does its own housekeeping 23.50.55 # ah, okay 23.55.54 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))