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00.01.26 #       <amiconn> I agree. The .map file looks good too
00.06.45 #       <amiconn> (other than binutil 2.15 do have even more bugs concerning the display of fill byte counts than binutils 2.14)
00.07.07 #       <Bagder> :-/
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00.18.04 #       <Mark0> hi....plz i need help with mine Jukebox 20 Archos
00.18.07 #       <Mark0> anyone? Pl
00.18.08 #       <Mark0> plz
00.18.37 #       <Bagder> you could try simply asking
00.18.38 #       <midk> give it a few seconds.
00.19.15 #       <Mark0> Hmm look i power jukebox up it says HD Error...when iw ant to instal it on my pc via usb my pc reboots with blue screen of death so it has a conflict?
00.20.39 #       <Mark0> does any one know what i can do to make it work?
00.21.37 #       <Bagder> I don't use windows
00.22.01 #       <Mark0> damn... but do u know ANY solution?
00.22.12 #       <Bagder> it is probably bad drivers
00.22.17 #       <Bagder> or just bad windows
00.22.46 #       <Bagder> but HD error sounds pretty bad too
00.23.11 #       <Mark0> hmm.... i have win xp
00.23.16 #       <Mark0> divers are the newest ones
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01.05.13 #       <SmoothOperator> hi
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03.45.18 #       <Norrin> Quick question, what's the difference between the FM Recorder and Recorder V2?
03.46.03 #       <midk> well, have a look at the faq as suggested when you enter the channel:
03.46.04 #       <midk> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#74
03.47.43 #       <Norrin> Thanks, it's been a while since I was up on Rockbox, I remember now.  This was the one some had the FM part in, others didn't.  Thanks again.
03.48.16 #       <midk> np
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07.30.15 #       <dwihno> Welcome!
07.30.47 #       <LinusN> thank you
07.32.37 #       <midk> hey LinusN
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07.38.37 #       <midk> i spots small bug in *.lang
07.39.02 #       <midk> # The "voice' entry contains how we want the speech UI to pronounce this. 
07.39.12 #       <midk> you start with " and end with '
07.39.16 #       <midk> fix it quick! ;)
07.41.14 #       <dwihno> major bug indeed ;)
07.41.59 #       <midk> i'd prefer to classify it as 'tremendous' but thought that might be pushing it just a little.. :)
07.43.09 #       <dwihno> Or perhaps "tremendous' ;)
07.43.32 #       <midk> haha
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08.45.06 #       <amiconn> hi all
08.45.42 #       <midk> hey amiconn
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09.07.56 #       <Bagder> ok, the rombox build stuff is committed
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09.17.10 #       <dwihno> Yay!
09.17.15 #       <dwihno> rombox to the people!
09.18.19 #       <midk> where are rockbox t-shirts?!
09.18.23 #       * midk protests
09.19.03 #       <dwihno> Yeah, where are they? :)
09.19.09 #       <dwihno> I'll make my own!
09.19.17 #       <midk> :)
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10.03.35 #       <midk> bed, nite
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10.03.49 #       <Bagder> night midk
10.04.28 #       <midk|sleep> later bagder
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10.15.59 #       <Bagder> hey Z
10.16.04 #       <Zagor> hi
10.16.23 #       <Bagder> I'm coming over with a few cakes on wednesday
10.16.32 #       <Zagor> oooh, nice
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10.16.47 #       <Bagder> you could "warn" the other guys
10.16.51 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.16.52 #       <Bagder> :-)
10.17.26 #       <Zagor> i went for a 250km ride in the smart this weekend. it was better than I thought, actually.
10.17.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'morning
10.17.55 #       <Zagor> hi
10.18.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "better than I thought"? You don't have much expectations from your new ride?
10.18.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-)
10.18.55 #       <Zagor> well it's a city car, so i didn't know what to expect really
10.20.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: the next Ondio is due at noon
10.21.28 #       <Bagder> the next?
10.21.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> next on ebay
10.21.45 #       <Bagder> aha
10.22.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: do you read?
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10.27.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: thanks for daily ROMbox!
10.27.50 #       <Bagder> yes, it'll be nice to have there
10.28.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon>  tiny question: would there be a way to avoid MAXROMSIZE in the makefile?
10.28.34 #       <Bagder> well, how would we know what the maximum size is?
10.28.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's sortof duplicate, from the start address in the config header
10.28.50 #       <Bagder> hm, right
10.29.00 #       <Bagder> yes, it is fixable
10.29.25 #       <Bagder> so what's the math to get the max size from that?
10.29.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 256K - romstart
10.30.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (for very fwe people who replaced the chip: 512K - romstart)
10.30.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/fwe/few
10.31.20 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Now I'm around
10.31.37 #       <amiconn> And I know about that Ondio, though it's an SP only, not an FM
10.31.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you wanted a cheap one...
10.32.34 #       <amiconn> Yes, and for the fact that you got an FM, I should try to get a SP, so we can figure out the differences...
10.32.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I found a nice small embedded MMC driver
10.33.14 #       <amiconn> Although a FM would be of more "real" use for me...
10.33.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
10.33.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Archos told me there's only one PCB
10.33.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so I think there are no real differences
10.33.51 #       <amiconn> And "cheap" is a relative property
10.34.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the radio is supposed to be crap
10.34.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (like with the FMR, I guess)
10.34.57 #       <amiconn> A new Ondio FMR costs 109,- € in web shops, whie the SP costs a mere 60,- €
10.35.24 #       <amiconn> And the MP3 codec is most likely different, since the SP can't record
10.35.37 #       <amiconn> s/whie/while/
10.35.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> [10:33] <[IDC]Dragon> Archos told me there's only one PCB
10.36.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it's a risk, that's true
10.37.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> however, get what you like ;-)
10.37.36 #       <amiconn> As I said, that depends on the (relative) term "cheap".
10.40.22 #       <Bagder> if it is for rockbox work, I think we should sponsor you from the fund
10.40.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> whoh, how big is that fund?
10.41.07 #       <Bagder> I'm not sure, Zagor is the man for that
10.41.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've spent 87%u20AC on that OndioFM, still waiting for it to be delivered
10.42.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the EUR symbol didn't look OK
10.42.44 #       <dwihno> 87%u20AC
10.42.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
10.42.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> %u20AC
10.43.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Jens, yours looks better
10.43.10 #       <amiconn> Unicode 20AC == EUR symbol
10.43.26 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Use a real irc client ;)
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10.43.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see yours, but mine is a hex dump
10.45.28 #       <amiconn> It looks like cgiirc doesn't properly interpret unicode entities in the incoming data. Maybe there's an update for it. Zagor?
10.46.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we use the latest and greatest
10.46.17 #       <Zagor> ill check
10.46.42 #       <Zagor> heh, last release oct 29, 2003 :)
10.47.12 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
10.49.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Just got notice that the Ondio will ship today.
10.50.10 #       <dwihno> Hooray!
10.50.18 #       <dwihno> Rockbox on ondio! that would be swell!
10.50.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not really. The capacity is too small.
10.50.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Rockbox will be overpowered on it
10.51.22 #       <Bagder> I managed to remove the fixed max sizes from the makefile
10.51.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bookmaks and playlists on a boy that can barely hold 2 albums
10.51.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/boy/box
10.52.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: nice!
10.53.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> phew, this make and perl stuff is cryptic
10.53.45 #       <Bagder> hehe
10.53.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hope I'll grip it one day
10.55.09 #       <Bagder> where I live, it is mandatory knowledge for successful living! ;-)
10.55.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not an axe and a fishpole?
10.55.59 #       <Bagder> that's next on the list ;-)
10.57.02 #       <dwihno> :)
10.58.43 #       <lImbus> lol
11.04.22 #       <Bagder> bbl
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11.06.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bbl meand be back later, I guess?
11.06.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> means
11.08.49 #       <dwihno> yes
11.21.38 #       <Zagor> jörg where do i find your modified uclpack?
11.22.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hang on...
11.23.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are you using v1.01?
11.23.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (the "original" one?)
11.23.31 #       <Zagor> yup
11.23.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in twiki, rombox page
11.24.04 #       <Zagor> ah, good
11.28.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yesterday I checked ucl v1.03
11.28.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no difference for the "real" code, just a profiling options and more make targets
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11.29.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so no real reason to switch
11.29.24 #       <LePoulpe303> Hi all
11.29.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi one
11.52.51 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: The Jukebox Recorder 6 (!!) is now available from archos again...
11.53.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> recorder 6?
11.53.18 #       <dwihno> recorder 6?
11.53.28 #       <amiconn> 6 GB
11.53.35 #       <dwihno> ah
11.53.36 #       <dwihno> okay
11.53.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe they found a box in a closet
11.53.51 #       <dwihno> My mind went thinking recorder v6 or something :)
11.54.58 #       <amiconn> They want € 159,95 for it...
11.56.47 #       <dwihno> That's a fair price
12.03.54 #       <LePoulpe303> have you read the thing about the Apple iPod  ? people who wants to change the battery p
12.04.04 #       <LePoulpe303> must send the ipod back to apple
12.04.10 #       <LePoulpe303> and pay 150 ¤
12.04.45 #       <LePoulpe303> with no  garranty that they will not send them back another Ipod (with empty disc) 
12.07.04 #       <LePoulpe303> http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/
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20.37.22 #       <bagawk> hi amiconn 
20.37.45 #       <bagawk> i just made a new personle build, 1.821 mb ram :)
20.37.50 #       <bagawk> *personel
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23.29.58 #       <amiconn> hi LinusN
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23.30.54 #       <LinusN> hi
23.31.48 #       <amiconn> LinusN: While looking at the file.c code, I got an idea of how to speed things up a little (if this isn'Ttimplemented already - I didn't find it):
23.32.08 #       <amiconn> s/isn'Ttimplemented/isn't implemented/
23.33.06 #       <amiconn> flush_cache() uses fat_seek() to make sure it writes to the correct sector
23.33.21 #       <LinusN> yes
23.33.29 #       <amiconn> fat_seek() wades through the fat chain, so this is a time consuming pro
23.33.31 #       <amiconn> cess
23.34.01 #       <amiconn> However, most of the time the position is already correct.
23.34.18 #       <LinusN> yes, most of the time
23.34.29 #       <amiconn> So fat_seek() could check if someone tries to seek to the very same sector, and immediately return in this case
23.35.31 #       <LinusN> yes, we can save lots of performance if we better keep track of things
23.36.19 #       <amiconn> I'm currently writing a little test program to check whether my interpretation of the posix standard concerning the O_TRUNC handling is correct.
23.37.19 #       <LinusN> good
23.37.22 #       <amiconn> If it is, I'll adapt file.c. However, I can't use the test code that is under firmware/test/fat
23.37.35 #       <LinusN> why?
23.38.54 #       <amiconn> (1) no mkdosfs and no loopback device for cygwin (2) I don't quite understand what it does
23.40.18 #       <LinusN> you don't really need the loopback device, but mkdosfs is kind of necessary
23.40.34 #       <amiconn> (1) could be replaced with using bochs (iirc)
23.42.11 #       <amiconn> Or (another method, since the only thing I really need is a file with the 1:1 structure of a fat volume): Use a real volume to store something on it & then copy it to a file with dd
23.43.03 #       <LinusN> sure, that's an option
23.52.41 #       <Frihet> I hope asking this question does not break any rules.  Let me know if it does and I'll cheerfully drop out.  Bug 949268.  On my JBR FM 20GB, I can only put 15 files in a directory.  The 16th repeats forever.  Anybody interested in a $100 donation to the project to fix this?  I really need to but 60 or so files in a directory or I'm going to have to get a new box.
23.53.40 #       <Frihet> put 60
23.54.05 #       <amiconn> Frihet: Any other special conditions to make this bug show up? I have many directories with more than 16 files in it (my biggest one contains 228), and I never encountered that....
23.55.10 #       <Frihet> No special conditions of which I am aware.  Someone said something abot v1 or v2, but I am not aware of anything.
23.56.17 #       <amiconn> The jukebox model itself shouldn't matter. (LinusN: correct?)
23.57.29 #       <LinusN> Frihet: i made an attempt to fix that, but it didn't work very well
23.57.36 #       <amiconn> Frihet: What size are those mp3s (typically)?
23.58.18 #       <Frihet> Often very short, 10 seconds or so.