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00.01.58 #       <amiconn> m/s stereo does encode the sum (left+right) and the difference (left-right) instead of the left and right channels. This does usually need less bits, because the difference signal carries less information
00.03.27 #       <Zagor> fyi: my commit adds a few warnings to the ondio build (unused functions in radio and recording), but I did not think adding lots of temporary ifdefs was important
00.05.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, thanks
00.05.26 #       <Zagor> ahh, I forgot the neo build of course... 122 errors :)
00.05.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-)
00.05.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a lot to fix
00.11.19 #       <amiconn> Btw: why is the radio stuff compiled for Ondio SP? It seems the source tree layout has to change a bit, now that having a radio and being able to record is independent from having a graphical display.
00.12.25 #       <Zagor> the sp and fm are not separated at all yet. we'll fix this soon.
00.12.44 #       <Zagor> other than the config.h, i mean
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00.14.13 #       <kamayaka> hi there, still anybody awake for recorder fm problem (hardware :))
00.15.16 #       <kamayaka> hmm seems as if not :\
00.15.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what problem?
00.15.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't ask if you may ask, just ask
00.16.00 #       <kamayaka> the switching oszillator of the recorder fm of a friend of mine burned....
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00.16.24 #       <kamayaka> the problem is that not all the parts in the schematics have proper values...
00.16.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you mean a power regulator?
00.16.43 #       <kamayaka> the switching regulator is replaceable but one diode seems broken
00.16.57 #       <kamayaka> itīs a switching power regulator
00.17.08 #       <kamayaka> U15 MC34063A
00.17.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and what exactly is the question?
00.18.43 #       <kamayaka> if anybody has better schematics than the ones on the web
00.18.53 #       <kamayaka> type of diode isnīt mentioned
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00.19.21 #       <Gn4t> anyone alive?
00.19.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we don't have schematics for the FM at all...
00.20.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> diodes involved with switching power are usually Shottky
00.20.34 #       <kamayaka> didnīt mean the fm sorry. 
00.20.39 #       <kamayaka> just recorder 20
00.20.44 #       <Zagor> Gn4t: how can we tell? :)
00.20.47 #       <kamayaka> jupp shottky i know but which type
00.21.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't think it's critical, pich one with a decent power rating
00.21.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and/or look into the datasheet  of the chip, what they suggest
00.22.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: impressive commit
00.22.46 #       <kamayaka> 1N5819 diode four times bigger than the normal 1n4001
00.22.55 #       <kamayaka> (in the data sheet)
00.23.06 #       <kamayaka> well iīll see how i can fix it
00.23.16 #       <Gn4t> Hey guys - I've got a dead box, and I was just reading about reflashing it
00.23.18 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: thanks.... i think? ;)
00.23.39 #       <Zagor> Gn4t: how is it dead?
00.23.39 #       <Gn4t> im wondering if anyone thinks my issue is hardware related as opposed to firmware related
00.24.11 #       <Gn4t> it simply wont turn on, whether in battery mode, or plugged into the AC adapter, or plugged into the computer
00.24.56 #       <Gn4t> I only have USB1.1 so I left it transfering overnight and sometime in the night it had a transfer error and since then it wont turn on at all, no leds, no nothing
00.25.01 #       <Gn4t> no sound etc
00.25.19 #       <Gn4t> it still gets warm to the touch when you plug it in to charge, so  idont think its battery related
00.25.28 #       <Zagor> just to be sure, try charging the batteries in an external charger
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00.26.17 #       <Gn4t> hmm
00.26.44 #       <Gn4t> it has a 1 year parts warranty and im inexperienced with things of this sort, do you think itd be better to just send it back?
00.27.26 #       <Zagor> Try the external charger first. If that doesn't work, send it back.
00.27.48 #       <Zagor> or wait, which model do you have?
00.28.05 #       <Gn4t> recorder 20 v2
00.28.25 #       <Zagor> oh, ok. well then you can't charge externally.
00.28.37 #       <Gn4t> thought so
00.28.44 #       <Zagor> so if you've already tried and failed charging it, send it back
00.29.00 #       <Gn4t> alrighty, thats what i expected
00.29.06 #       <Gn4t> thanks
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00.29.52 #       <Zagor> don't leave your next box in usb mode overnight. it's not really designed for such prolonged usb use
00.32.30 #       <Gn4t> i think ill just use my other machine that USB2 so the transfer doesnt take 7 hours
00.32.40 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I just discovered another quirk with the new button code:
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00.34.09 #       <Zagor> yes?
00.34.40 #       <amiconn> Try the following: (1) Put the cursor on a file. (2) Press on+play. You get the Onplay menu. (3) Select "rename". You are in the rename function now. Leave that with "cancel". (4) Press On+Play on the file a second time. You now jump right into the rename function, instead of getting the Onplay menu
00.35.08 #       <Zagor> wow!
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00.35.55 #       <Zagor> that's on player?
00.35.59 #       <amiconn> yup
00.36.04 #       <Zagor> ok
00.36.20 #       <amiconn> Didn't try on the recorder yet, but could do so
00.36.30 #       <Zagor> i just tried there, couldn't make it happen
00.37.06 #       <amiconn> I need more USB ports...
00.37.10 #       <Zagor> :)
00.39.31 #       <amiconn> Happens to me on the recorder too, but even worse... it jumps into rename right away, not only at the second time
00.40.16 #       <Zagor> ok
00.40.49 #       <amiconn> I tried clean builds
00.41.28 #       <Zagor> ah ok now I see it too
00.41.50 #       <Zagor> the menu triggers on PLAY|RELEASE...
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00.42.34 #       <amiconn> It's probably the same problem that triggers the double-leave from info->version
00.43.08 #       <Zagor> yes
00.43.28 #       <amiconn> This does also happen on recorder, *if* you leave "version" with OFF
00.44.44 #       <Zagor> argh, I fixed the version bug but only for player...
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00.51.53 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Btw, what's a "recording keypad"?
00.52.37 #       <Zagor> where do you see that?
00.52.56 #       <amiconn> apps/recorder/recording.c
00.53.26 #       <Zagor> nice typo
00.55.48 #       <amiconn> "Press ON to debug" is no longer correct. You do now accept any button
00.56.14 #       <Zagor> yes, but also ON :) i couldn't think of new text that was short enough
00.56.29 #       <midk> "Any key to debug"
00.56.55 #       <Zagor> sure, that works
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01.00.37 #       <Zagor> hmm, i think i should redo the menu code instead of triggering so much on release. triggering on press gives better ergonomics.
01.00.58 #       <Zagor> ...but not tonight. i'm off to bed now.
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01.06.20 #       <HElllish> hi
01.07.36 #       <HElllish> does anyone have any info on when the iriver ihp-120 firmware is gona be released by rockbox
01.09.33 #       <amiconn> HElllish: You'll have to be patient I think. The iriver port is in a rather early stage
01.10.54 #       <HElllish> ok, just hoping for fixes on a few things like the 52 character limit which kinda sucks
01.11.01 #       <HElllish> and also on the fly playlists
01.11.12 #       <HElllish> wonder y iriver themselves havent actually fixed these problems
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05.43.41 #       <webguest92> back to my homework
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08.39.09 #       <Bagder> Zagor: is the Neo build disabled?
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08.40.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hey, everybody is so early today
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08.43.44 #       <midk> i wanted to point out: on the firmware feature comparison chart, "Easy User Interface" is really more of a matter of opinion than a feature
08.43.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> Zagor: Ondio key handlingis nice now  :-)
08.44.08 #       <midk> i'd say it's easier, mainly because i'm used to it - when i started, back in 1.4, i had to take a while to learn it
08.45.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> midk: agreed, I won't mark that as a feature
08.45.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> btw, this whole table is kind of obsolete
08.45.54 #       <midk> a few things seem to be a bit wrong: archos f/w doesn't support pre-recording, just on the FMs and on the FM radio
08.46.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> back from the days they had to convince people switching from Archos to Rockbox
08.46.16 #       <midk> :)
08.46.50 #       <Bagder> I agree
08.48.01 #       <midk> some of the features that are listed are sort of random: i see "customizable backlight timeout" (archos yes, rockbox yes) but not "customizable lcd contrast" -- i think some of the more common things like that should be taken out
08.48.23 #       <Bagder> feel free to provide a patch for it
08.48.33 #       <Bagder> the source file is in CVS
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08.48.41 #       <midk> i may just do that :)
08.48.50 #       <midk> but it's time for bed now, so talk to you all later
08.50.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector
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08.52.31 #       <amiconn> good morning
08.52.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> hi Jens
08.53.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> Befory you came, I just wrote: "I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector"
08.53.27 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (lack of config sector space) Guess why archos uses that .bin file in the root
08.53.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> yes, saw that
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08.57.43 #       <amiconn> When FAT16 was designed, storage space was precious (unlike today)
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09.05.40 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon2: the config sector is located before the FAT
09.06.03 #       <LinusN> the FAT starts at sector 63, the config sector is on sector 61
09.06.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> yes, but on FAT16, there is no such gap
09.07.40 #       <LinusN> that has nothing to do with the file system
09.07.54 #       <LinusN> the first partition starts on sector 63
09.08.08 #       <LinusN> your disk is probably not partitioned
09.08.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> ah, then I mistakenly talked about the partition boot sector and its FAT
09.09.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> I wasn't looking at the disk, just some magazine article
09.10.45 #       <amiconn> LinusN: What happens if the # of sectors per track is <62?
09.13.14 #       <LinusN> amiconn: then we're in trouble :-)
09.15.36 #       * Bagder reads some stats. >12000 visitors came to our site from the last slashdot article
09.16.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> oh my god!
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09.16.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how can you stand that pressure?
09.17.00 #       <Bagder> we normally hav ~2500 visits per day
09.17.14 #       <Bagder> on sep 8 we had 14200
09.17.56 #       <dwihno> is that a good or bad thing
09.17.57 #       <dwihno> ?
09.18.07 #       <Bagder> well
09.18.16 #       <Bagder> they mostly came for the iriver blurb
09.18.28 #       <dwihno> yeah
09.18.28 #       <Bagder> and we still have a long way to go before we have something for it
09.19.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, greatly underestimated
09.19.09 #       <Bagder> but in general I think getting visitors is good as it spreads the knowledge about us
09.21.33 #       <Bagder> > 1000 visitors came from this article: http://www.itavisen.no/art/1304358.html
09.22.48 #       <Bagder> which is basicly a slashdot rewrite
09.23.19 #       <dwihno> "Pirat-firmware"
09.23.24 #       <dwihno> doesn't sound to flattering
09.24.22 #       <Zagor> remember that the headlines are not written by the article authors
09.24.58 #       <Zagor> the article itself calls it alternative firmware
09.25.16 #       <dwihno> Bad mojo!
09.26.10 #       <Zagor> nah
09.26.44 #       <Zagor> Bagder: yes, I disabled the neo build since I couldn't be bothered to fix the new button handling for it. we should remove it altogether since nobody cares about the neo
09.27.20 #       <Bagder> Yeps. We know we can do it, but there's just no users who want it.
09.29.39 #       <Nibbler> is there much similar between archos/iriver?
09.30.05 #       <Zagor> only conceptual. the hardware is very different.
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09.31.25 #       <Nibbler> mhm
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10.09.07 #       <Zagor> neo going
10.11.19 #       <Zagor> neo gone
10.15.20 #       <LinusN> kill, kill, kill!!!!
10.21.48 #       <Zagor> does anyone know how to change the X keymap in cygwin? setxkbmap doesn't work.
10.24.42 #       * pillo_ had lots of problems too
10.25.58 #       <Bagder> btw
10.26.07 #       <Bagder> I'm planning a major makefile overhaul
10.27.05 #       <Zagor> how are you planning to do?
10.27.30 #       <Bagder> first, make the CC choice in the root makefile generated by configure
10.27.53 #       <Bagder> then, I hope to unite all 4 current makefiles into a single generated one
10.28.11 #       <Zagor> 4?
10.28.25 #       <Bagder> firmware, apps, apps/plugins, apps/plugins/lib
10.28.55 #       <Zagor> ah. how do you avoid building firmware/test?
10.28.58 #       <Bagder> the point being that the only the pieces for the chosen target are included
10.29.30 #       <Zagor> so the configure script basically contains a list of all source files, and selects those used for each target?
10.29.50 #       <Bagder> I'm not quite sure yet exactly how it'll end up
10.30.39 #       <Zagor> I was just thinking we are doing pretty well with the current simple #ifdef system for selecting drivers
10.31.01 #       <Bagder> the makefiles are too complicated imo
10.31.04 #       <Zagor> not that it's ideal, but it works pretty well
10.31.09 #       <Zagor> yes, I agree about that
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10.31.37 #       <Bagder> I'll work on my approach as a separate build approach, and then we can test it out and bounce ideas
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10.32.55 #       <Zagor> yup
10.34.09 #       <Bagder> oh, and my approach won't use make -C
10.34.29 #       <Zagor> right, but then you need a list of code somewhere
10.34.35 #       <Bagder> yes
10.34.47 #       <Bagder> currently I have "Makefile.tmpl" files
10.35.00 #       <Bagder> (basicly the renamed original makefiles)
10.35.40 #       <Zagor> but those use $(wildcard *.c)
10.35.48 #       <Bagder> yes
10.35.54 #       <Bagder> and I'll let them do that for now
10.35.59 #       <Zagor> ok
10.36.52 #       <Zagor> maybe we should look at the linux config and build system, to see if there are any good ideas we can borrow
10.37.01 #       <Bagder> yeps
10.48.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: you've been bidding for that broken ihp already?
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10.48.50 #       <Zagor> yup. it rises like crazy. i'll see if i can snipe it this afternoon.
10.49.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sniping meas not bidding beforehand...
10.49.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/meas/means
10.49.36 #       <Zagor> no, it just means bidding last
10.49.50 #       <Zagor> but yeah, it was a mistake to place a bid so early
10.49.59 #       <Zagor> i'm an ebay newbie :)
10.50.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the idea is not not raise the price by "premature" bidding
10.50.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oh, sorry
10.50.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I saw the (0)
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10.52.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if everybody is aware of the rules, sniping is pointless
10.54.37 #       <Zagor> not really. it still limits bidding, since the time runs out. it's not a magic bullet, but also not pointless.
10.56.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I mean, if everybody places his personal max. as a single bid, it doesn't matter when this happens
10.56.41 #       <Zagor> right, but people don't do that because they hope to come away with less than their max
10.56.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but people tend to advance their max
10.57.13 #       <Zagor> exactly, because the the amount they enter isn't their true max
10.57.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you'd still get away with less than your max, because the 2nd highest determines the price
10.57.52 #       <Zagor> yes but only if a third person does not also bid (and we are more than two bidding in this auction) 
10.58.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no matter how many, the 2nd highest rules the price
10.59.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but we bore each other with these trivial stuff ;-)
10.59.05 #       <Zagor> yes. so you want the auction to end before the third guy comes in and places a higher bid
10.59.21 #       <Zagor> too late ;)
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11.14.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> does the fat test code still build under linux?
11.14.45 #       <Zagor> i'll test
11.14.59 #       <Zagor> yes
11.15.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> trying to patch a project together, for MSVC
11.16.56 #       <Zagor> you are a masochist :)
11.18.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it debugs real nicely
11.21.50 #       * Zagor faints from looking at the price of blade servers
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11.53.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> phew, got the fat test to compile
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11.58.09 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I did identify the full range of routines dealing with mmc in the original ondio fw now
11.59.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> too lazy for own engineering? ;-)
12.00.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (that's usually quicker)
12.00.21 #       <amiconn> Plus: I found the archos bitswap. Although much more unrolled than our version (swapping 16 bytes per loop), it's still ~20% slower :)
12.00.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so much for own engineering
12.01.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any idea what the problem is with your MMC functions?
12.01.18 #       <amiconn> Yes, but I try to understand how this is supposed to work from the original code.
12.01.46 #       <amiconn> Not yet. I'll probably toss what I have now and start again :(
12.02.57 #       <amiconn> Still, we can learn from the code about different hardware versions. Btw: Did _any_ Ondio user other than me respond to your request(s)?
12.03.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> lunch time
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12.55.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> back again
12.55.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: no other Ondio users spotted yet
12.58.41 #       <Lynx_> how well does the ondio sell anyway?
12.59.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no idea, I don't sell them
12.59.50 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: i didn't think so ;)
13.06.57 #       <ashridah> i must say, here is the only place i've ever heard of an ondio
13.07.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> its' a cute littly box
13.08.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> together with a leading edge capacity MMC (which I don't have)
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13.18.52 #       <ashridah> mmc ?
13.20.30 #       <amiconn> ashridah: MultiMediaCard, flash memory card format. Currently available up to 1 GB
13.22.07 #       <ashridah> ah
13.27.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Samsung announced a new flash chip generation
13.27.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> making 16 GB possible
13.27.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (probably in CF)
13.37.39 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (as for own engineering would be faster) This is only true if you have the complete specs. We don't have Ondio schematics...
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13.41.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: what are we missing?
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14.06.40 #       <amiconn> We have the full port assignment list, but we don't know for all of them what was the intention for this assignment
14.07.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the schematics won't tell you that, either
14.07.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that 7408 is the key to how togate the clock
14.08.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't see any more woes for the MMC hookup
14.09.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe I'll draw the '08 part as a circuit, to make it more clear
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14.10.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> grr, I dumped the partition, not the whole disk
14.20.01 #       <Zagor> ouch, bandwidth is expensive
14.20.18 #       <dwihno> Zagor: how come?
14.21.12 #       <ashridah> Zagor: what'd you do, move to .au? :)
14.21.21 #       <Zagor> i'm thinking about getting colocation for another project of mine. it uses around 60-80 GB/month today and I expect to double that.
14.23.48 #       <dwihno> curl?
14.23.53 #       <dwihno> or bostadsthingy?
14.24.04 #       <Zagor> bostadsthingy :)
14.24.34 #       <dwihno> you make any money on that? (if not, you should)
14.24.41 #       <Zagor> i do
14.24.58 #       <dwihno> Way! :)
14.25.02 #       <dwihno> Capitalism works!
14.25.14 #       <Zagor> :)
14.36.34 #       <dwihno> Is it a dumb idea to merge two mbox files?
14.36.52 #       <Zagor> no
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14.54.57 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: It's not only the clock, it's also the data pins and the mysterious IRQ1
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15.11.07 #       <Odie> Just wanted to remind you that the ebay auction for that broken ihp-120 is ending in an hour
15.11.16 #       <midk> i was just looking at that :)
15.11.17 #       <Odie> current high bid is $62.99
15.11.30 #       <Zagor> i know
15.11.34 #       <Odie> Dunno if the high bidder is part of the rockbox team, or will be donating it
15.11.36 #       <Odie> :)
15.11.45 #       <Zagor> hope not :)
15.12.18 #       <Odie> It's a shame that people trying to help out rockbox may have actually ended up bumping up the price :-p
15.12.32 #       <Odie> Zagor: are you going to be trying to win it?
15.12.36 #       <Zagor> Odie: yes
15.12.47 #       <Odie> good luck :-)
15.12.48 #       <Bagder> I doubt anyone would do a thing like that without telling
15.12.59 #       <LinusN> don't be sure
15.13.05 #       <Bagder> I'm never sure
15.13.10 #       <LinusN> :-)
15.30.57 #       * Bagder considers automake for Rockbox
15.32.08 #       <Bagder> but perhaps not
15.32.12 #       <elinenbe_work> Should I bid $300 on it?
15.32.23 #       <elinenbe_work> no... I am just kidding.
15.32.24 #       <Zagor> elinenbe_work: eh, that would not help no :)
15.32.38 #       <elinenbe_work> has there been any more progress on the iriver ihp?
15.33.20 #       <LinusN> elinenbe_work: not really
15.34.07 #       <ashridah> where's this broken ihp?
15.34.23 #       <ashridah> (not that i could even AFFORD to bid on it)
15.35.36 #       <Zagor> ireland
15.36.10 #       <elinenbe_work> Zagor: that's pretty close... not as bad as Korea or USA
15.36.23 #       <Zagor> yup
15.36.49 #       <ashridah> Zagor: meant WRT to a web address
15.36.50 #       <ashridah> but anyway :)
15.37.01 #       <ashridah> nevermind, found it
15.37.03 #       * ashridah watches
15.43.04 #       <ashridah> man. that would be handy. i hope you guys win it
15.43.10 #       <ashridah> (for a reasonable price)
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15.44.23 #       * ashridah almost, ALMOST, plugged his iriver into his nokia charger the other day o.o
15.51.46 #       <pillo>  less than 30' and the player already jumped to $72 :(
15.52.57 #       <pillo> ashridah: do they have the same DC plug?
15.54.55 #       <LinusN> gotta go, cu around
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15.58.56 #       <ashridah> pillo: yep
15.59.07 #       <ashridah> pillo: and nokia plug -> iriver player == burn
15.59.14 #       <ashridah> bit sad it doesn't have decent protection
15.59.58 #       <pillo> yeah really... I recently bought an iriver and have a nokia phone--- must take lots of care
16.00.16 #       <ashridah> i keep the two chargers VERY far apart ;)
16.00.16 #       <pillo> altough it's difficult to mistake the bulky iriver charger :)
16.00.31 #       <pillo> i will have to ;)
16.01.22 #       <ashridah> the wallwarts are behind objects here, all i have are the plugs hanging out
16.03.03 #       <pillo> ow I see... and the nokia has some 72V charger that happily fries your precious iriver :/
16.03.33 #       <ashridah> uh. 72V?
16.03.43 #       <pillo> just kidding
16.04.01 #       <pillo> but anyways it's way too much... i believe 7 or even 12V
16.04.08 #       <ashridah> the problem is that the iriver has a li-poly battery, while the nokias tend to have li-ion
16.04.25 #       <ashridah> so the cutout circuitry... doesn't cut out.
16.04.39 #       <pillo> ah, so the charging basically never stops?
16.04.42 #       <ashridah> but you'd expect it to be slightly better designed than that :(
16.04.47 #       <ashridah> pillo: no, it's insta-death
16.04.49 #       <pillo> yeah inndeed
16.04.52 #       <ashridah> but it's death by overcharge
16.05.01 #       <ashridah> s/overcharge/overvoltage
16.05.07 #       <pillo> ok thanks for explaining that 
16.05.18 #       <ashridah> and i don't believe it's fixable with just a battery replacement
16.09.35 #       <pillo> > ten minutes and $80...
16.09.50 #       <Zagor> relax :)
16.11.09 #       <Odie> Zagor: do you think it's still a good price?
16.11.15 #       <Zagor> yes
16.11.33 #       <Odie> :-)
16.15.04 #       <elinenbe_work> Zagor: was there any progress on the iriver over the weekend?
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16.16.40 #       <Zagor> elinenbe_work: no
16.16.42 #       <Odie> 2 mins and $92.16 
16.16.45 #       <Odie> :-/
16.18.38 #       <Odie> Who's lbd2000 ?
16.19.06 #       <Odie> ZAGOR!!!!!
16.19.06 #       <Zagor> got it
16.19.08 #       <Odie> :-p
16.19.11 #       <Odie> Congrats
16.19.13 #       <pillo> whoa cool move!
16.19.18 #       <Odie> wow, it went pretty high
16.19.26 #       <Zagor> yeah, but still half price of a new
16.19.49 #       <elinenbe_work> that's good.  hopefully it will help in your hacking endevors...
16.19.54 #       <Zagor> yup
16.20.01 #       <Odie> Zagor, you are the man :-)
16.20.05 #       <Zagor> :)
16.20.09 #       <Odie> When I can afford it, I will be donating
16.20.12 #       <ashridah> whoa. 150 bucks?
16.20.23 #       <ashridah> sniping sucks
16.20.32 #       <Zagor> not when you win ;)
16.20.46 #       <pillo> ^_^
16.20.56 #       <ashridah> okay, let me rephrase that. 'having to snipe sucks'
16.21.42 #       <ashridah> now all you need is to set it up on a date with a flatbed scanner? :)
16.22.58 #       <Odie> btw, Zagor
16.23.12 #       <Odie> There was a member on MisticRiver looking to buy the ihp casing
16.23.32 #       <Odie> If you don't need it, you might be able to make a bit of money back by selling it
16.23.43 #       <Zagor> yes, but he had an 140 didn't he? it's thicker than this 120.
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16.24.15 #       <Odie> ah
16.24.24 #       <Odie> true...true
16.24.41 #       <Odie> Oh well, maybe ebay or the MisticRiver bazaar might still be an option
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16.41.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I missed the tense moments
16.42.22 #       <Zagor> :)
16.42.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what if the unit has just a minor problem, and you still have to sacrifice it?
16.43.40 #       <Zagor> we'll most likely still sacrifice it. after all we were ready to buy a brand new one and wreck it
16.43.42 #       * pillo sighs at the thought
16.44.14 #       <Zagor> getting schematic makes life so much simpler, it's worth a little wasted money
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16.49.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I hope the PCB is friendly in that way, bo buried vias or even resistors
16.49.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/bo/no
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16.54.24 #       <amiconn> Little question concerning the player - is it normal that I have to hold the On button several seconds to switch on the unit?
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17.00.37 #       <methangas> no, the player should switch on by a single short press
17.01.22 #       <Zagor> the players (not recorders) require a long push
17.01.32 #       <Zagor> several seconds
17.01.39 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Ah ok, thanks
17.02.24 #       <methangas> sorry about the misinformation, i assumed players and recorders worked the same way in that area of operation :/
17.02.48 #       <Zagor> no problem
17.19.37 #       <Zagor> i'm off
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17.20.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oh, just missed him for FAT16 questions
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18.10.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hey, some progress with FAT16: I can list the root dir!
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18.42.33 #       <elinenbe_work> [IDC]Dragon: nice work!
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18.53.36 #       <_aLF> hi
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19.54.35 #       <SmoothOperator> R.I.P. my archos
19.55.54 #       <SmoothOperator> just deciding what to replace it with
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20.01.30 #       <dwihno> replace it with a ... ?
20.01.42 #       <dwihno> monkey wrench? :)
20.04.14 #       <dwihno> http://www.creativemods.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1859
20.05.05 #       <SmoothOperator> i may get an iriver or an ipod
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20.41.33 #       <srn> does anyone know how to make a cross-compiler for the MFC5249 cpu with the m68k-elf-tools? is the 5249 supported yet?
20.43.54 #       <srn> PaulS gave me this link http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/m68k-elf-tools/ - but I don't know if the 5249 is supported. it doesn't say anywhere
20.48.07 #       <_aLF> http://mailman.uclinux.org/pipermail/uclinux-dev/2004-July/027519.html <-- this message supposes that 5249 is supported
20.48.43 #       <_aLF> (google "m68k-elf-tools 5249")
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20.51.34 #       <srn> i did that of course :) And I did see that post... did not help much though. google ain't floated with instruction on how to compile a MFC5249 supported cross-compiler. maybe I am just blind :)
20.53.07 #       <_aLF> Ok, sorry I can help more
20.54.00 #       <srn> can I just write -m5249? instead of -m5200 - or is -m5200 also for 5249?
20.54.33 #       <srn> this is from http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uclinux-elf-tools/README-20030314
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21.18.51 #       <karacho> hi there
21.19.15 #       <karacho> is anyone here?
21.20.02 #       <methangas> yes, 22 people to be exact
21.20.13 #       <methangas> :)
21.20.25 #       <karacho> ;)
21.20.32 #       <karacho> more or less
21.21.13 #       <karacho> i've a an easy question (i guess): after flashing my rom, i can't update to the latest cvs version
21.21.51 #       <karacho> it says "can't open ../rocks/.." when i'am playing the ucl file
21.22.06 #       <karacho> can't find help in twiki for that
21.24.14 #       <methangas> i have no clue about this, you made sure you got the right firmware and followed the instructions in where to place it etc etc?
21.25.17 #       <karacho> yes, i've now 2.2 flashed in
21.25.31 #       <karacho> its a recorder 20
21.29.50 #       <karacho> ah, now it works. I#ve "roloed" to the new version and flashed it from there
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22.12.28 #       <DoctorObvious> Hello
22.12.49 #       <DoctorObvious> Where should I send a non-functional iRiver iHP-140?
22.13.53 #       <DoctorObvious> Rather, to whom on the Rockbox squad should I send it?
22.15.43 #       <amiconn> DoctorObvious: I guess you could choose either Linus, Zagor or Bagder. Unfortunately none of them is here atm
22.17.45 #       <DoctorObvious> All right; I'll shoot an e-mail off to them
22.18.19 #       <DoctorObvious> amiconn: Do you know if they've gotten any yet?
22.19.17 #       <amiconn> Iirc they got one from ebay today (iHP-120).
22.19.37 #       <amiconn> See the irc logs
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