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01.04.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is there somebody who knows wether it is evil to call talk_buffer_steal more than once?
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01.08.23 #       <amiconn> kurzhaarrocker: It shouldn't do any harm
01.08.45 #       <kurzhaarrocker> \o/ Thats what I wanted to hear! :)
01.09.47 #       <amiconn> Btw, (completely OT): Someone asked for timed recording... Do I remember correctly that you once wanted to implement that?
01.10.27 #       <kurzhaarrocker> triggered recording. That's what I'm working on momentarily.
01.10.56 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Timed recording my come somewhen else.
01.11.49 #       <amiconn> Ah, that was triggered recording. Anyway, timed recording might be useful for some people too. On V2/FM (and V1 with alarm mod) it could even wake up the box at the correct time....
01.12.44 #       <PDO> how do I download plugings? like: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginCalculator
01.12.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Yes, very interesting for recording radio shows etc. But that's not what I'm after -> other things have higher priorities on my wish list.
01.13.25 #       <kurzhaarrocker> PDO isnt the calculater included in the normal daily build?
01.13.45 #       <PDO> oh
01.13.47 #       <amiconn> kurzhaarrocker: Am I right that the splitedit plugin was made by you?
01.14.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes. Linus committed it although I insisted that it isn't finished yet :)
01.14.14 #       <PDO> how safe is the daily build?
01.15.01 #       <PDO> I'm recording sermans for my church and don't want any problems that way...
01.15.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> By definition it is not safe. But my experience is that rockbox is quite high quality -> I never had any serious trouble like data loss or something.
01.15.24 #       <PDO> ok
01.15.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> There's a recording but in the current builds that I believe hasn't been squished yet.
01.16.05 #       <kurzhaarrocker> For serious recording I'd recommend the latest official release.
01.16.31 #       <amiconn> kurzhaarrocker: I'm currently adapting the plugins for Ondio, one after another. I hope the spliteditor doesn't use too many buttons...
01.16.59 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It uses all the buttons I could find - even combos :)
01.18.11 #       <amiconn> Ooops, that's bad :( There are significantly less buttons on Ondio, but the spliteditor might be useful... especially for Ondio FMR
01.19.28 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Yes. But there are features that are necessary and others that aren't. It might be necessary to adopt the ui. :(
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01.20.14 #       <kurzhaarrocker> eg the spliteditor would still be useful without halfspeed playback and db<->linear scale toggle...
01.20.46 #       <amiconn> Those plugins are the hard ones... The text viewer also uses too many button combos to port the full range to Ondio... I had to make decisions
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01.22.21 #       <amiconn> Imho a plugin should not use too many buttons, especially when there are no hints on the screen, because all those button (combos) are not easy to remember. If there are many options to set, it should use a menu instead
01.22.39 #       <amiconn> The text viewer even uses double-shift combos on the player!
01.23.59 #       * kurzhaarrocker searches for an ondio picture in order to count its buttons
01.25.20 #       <amiconn> There are pics on the rockbox site... Ondio has 6 buttons in total:
01.25.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is the 6th on a side of the toy?
01.25.52 #       <amiconn> Left/Right/Up/Down, Menu, and OnOff. OnOff is at the top
01.26.21 #       <kurzhaarrocker> ok, that's why I dont see it on the photo :)
01.27.42 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Are key combos with the menu button possible?
01.27.45 #       <amiconn> On Ondio, a number of functions in rockbox (and the plugins already adapted) distinguish between short or long press of buttons
01.28.07 #       <amiconn> Menu-xx combos are possible.
01.29.20 #       <amiconn> ...but they are not easy to trigger, because of the small distance between the buttons
01.29.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> One thumb == all buttons? :)
01.30.17 #       <amiconn> Something like that, yes.
01.30.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I think it should be possible to make an ergonomic split editor plugin using a few menu + XX combos. 
01.32.10 #       <amiconn> There are several examples for the short/long press selection in rockbox. For instance, a short press of Menu toggles wps<->browser (or brings up Resume?), while a long press brings up the menu.
01.34.29 #       <amiconn> Look at http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500324.html if you wanna see the 6th button
01.35.10 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Wasn't there a movie about that button? "The 6th sense"? :)
01.35.21 #       <amiconn> lol
01.36.27 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Can that button be abused for other things than on/off?
01.37.35 #       <amiconn> Yes, but only for short presses of course, like on the recorders. For plugins I use it the same way, for leaving
01.37.54 #       <kurzhaarrocker> ok
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02.54.34 #       <thedude02> Is anyone here?
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10.44.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> moin
10.44.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi there
10.44.55 #       <kurzhaarrocker> There seem to have been major concept changes concerning settings.c.
10.45.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> some time ago, yes
10.45.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I made a table for it, saved a lot of memory
10.47.34 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It seems I still need an array with option names for menues and a comma seperated string with the same values for the config files. Is that right or am I missing something?
10.48.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> correct
10.48.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it can be defined as const
10.48.46 #       <kurzhaarrocker> ok, thanks. I just wondered wether I'm doing something wrong.
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11.00.23 #       <amiconn> hi
11.00.30 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hi amiconn
11.00.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> moin
11.01.03 #       <kurzhaarrocker> you're german too, amiconn, aren't you?
11.01.26 #       <amiconn> yup
11.01.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, we rule this channel ;-)
11.01.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> atm
11.01.47 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Did you see the next Ondio user post?
11.01.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
11.01.58 #       * [IDC]Dragon looks
11.03.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok, he got my model
11.04.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Another thing about settings I'd like to verify
11.04.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I want to store negative values [-96 .. 0] in the config files. Would a line like this do?:
11.04.20 #       <kurzhaarrocker> {8 | SIGNED, S_O(rec_start_thres), -35, "trigger start threshold", NULL}
11.05.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> looks good to me
11.05.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> negative is supported
11.05.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> (I ask because of the | SIGNED thing)
11.05.29 #       <kurzhaarrocker> :)
11.06.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It took me a while to understand that the S_O makro generates 2 parameters ;)
11.07.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a bit nasty trick, I admit
11.07.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but assures consistency
11.08.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Now that I understand it I think it is convenient.
11.09.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Bagder_, are you here?
11.11.02 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Concerning the Ondio models - I wonder if we will find at least one with mask bit2 == 0
11.12.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the clock gate polarity?
11.12.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes,that would be interesting/annoying
11.16.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we have no sscanf(), grr
11.17.32 #       <amiconn> There is atoi()
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11.23.29 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Yesterday I had a corrupt file system on my 256 MB card (cross linked files). I don't know whether it was caused by rockbox though
11.24.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what should I say?
11.24.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't know either :-/
11.24.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Does recording on the ondio already work?
11.24.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it''s uncomforting
11.24.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> kurzhaarrocker: yes
11.25.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm currently working on the file name generation "algorithm"
11.25.29 #       <kurzhaarrocker> cool. Does it feature a hardware peakmeter like the jukeboxes?
11.25.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> right now, it overwrites one fixed filename again and again, because it has no RTC
11.27.11 #       <amiconn> kurzhaarrocker: The MAS in the Ondio FMR is the same, so yes.
11.28.00 #       <amiconn> The Ondio FMR has got a different MAS, which is decode-only, but otherwise does have the same features, including the peakmeter readout
11.28.25 #       <amiconn> Argh, I mean Ondio SP in the latter statement
11.33.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> So it's easy with this hw. I just wonder how we will solve peak meter stuff with other hardware like the irivers. Smells like a lot of rewrite.
11.33.32 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: We should add a third plugin model for the Ondio plugins. While the api itself is the same (=> no crashes expected), the button handling is usually very different
11.34.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "third plugin model"?
11.35.36 #       <amiconn> Currently there are 2 plugin models (defined in plugin.h): player and recorder, because of the different api struct
11.36.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> why should the ondio be no recorder? the SP, you mean?
11.36.43 #       <amiconn> No, I mean all Ondios, because of the different keypad.
11.36.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the buttons can be handled with #if
11.38.20 #       <amiconn> Yes of course, but then the binaries are different. That means, if you start a plugin compiled for recorder on the Ondio, most likely you cannot handle it.
11.38.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the flash plugins are also different
11.38.57 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I doubt that we want to swap the binary plugins over the models
11.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to handle this at runtime sounds like like overkill to me
11.40.40 #       <amiconn> It would not reqire any additional code to do that, only some changed #defines
11.40.56 #       <kurzhaarrocker> and probably the plugins must be compiled platform specific anyway as we can't even rely on the cpu model.
11.41.22 #       <amiconn> The flash plugins check themselves iirc
11.42.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> they're not very good at it
11.42.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I use the ROM version for that, but it has ambiguities
11.43.24 #       <amiconn> And: At least Christi's windows installer should know about these issues. Currently it include every plugin once per model, except the flash plugins
11.43.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for the already flashed models, I introduced a "model byte" in the flash
11.44.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think the installer checks where it can do so, by binarycomparing the plugins across models
11.47.31 #       <amiconn> Gotta go
11.47.39 #       <kurzhaarrocker> have fun, amiconn
11.47.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> c u
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18.35.07 #       <dissonation> i should have thought and came here first, but i bought a few jukeboxes and have a battery to sell at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=572521854 keep up the great work with the development
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