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03.28.13 #       <Bluechip> Hey Bagder, is the spec for your database available yet?
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09.03.04 #       <Bagder_> Zagor: here?
09.03.16 #       <Zagor> yes
09.03.39 #       <Bagder_> what about albums that have songs by multiple artists?
09.04.06 #       <Bagder_> shouldn't there be an artist array?
09.04.20 #       <Zagor> well there is a problem with that
09.04.51 #       <Zagor> remember we are only indexing songs. we don't have any other information.
09.04.58 #       <Zagor> so the album info we get is from the songs.
09.05.10 #       <Zagor> and several artists do release albums called the same thing
09.05.31 #       <Zagor> so it's very difficult to know if an album is indeed mixed-artist or if just multiple artists have made albums with the same name
09.05.49 #       <Bagder_> right
09.06.14 #       <Bagder_> currently I store artist name with album name internally to deal with artists doing similarly named albums...
09.06.35 #       <Zagor> so for starters, I'd say in the case of a mixed-artist album (where each song is actually tagged with a different artists, which they actually tend not to be), the album will be stored once for each artist
09.06.48 #       <Bagder_> yeps
09.06.54 #       <Bagder_> that's how my current code works
09.07.18 #       <Zagor> ok
09.07.36 #       <Bagder_> btw, the "pointers" mentioned, should I make them relative the file start or the start of the table it refers to?
09.07.44 #       <Zagor> fil start
09.08.00 #       <Bagder_> ok
09.12.32 #       <Zagor> since it will be used for lseek(SEEK_SET)
09.13.13 #       <Bagder_> yeps, I understand
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10.34.23 #       <amiconn> morning
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11.05.29 #       <Bagder_> only 30 min nap today, less work done :-)
11.46.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: hi there
11.47.47 #       <amiconn> hi
11.49.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are/will you be working on the ondio keyboard?
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11.52.22 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I will, but first I want to complete the plugin rework (before 2.3 release)
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12.45.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (back again)
12.46.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you mean, no keyboard for 2.3? That's no good :-(
12.51.59 #       <amiconn> Of course Ondio keyboard in 2.3 would be nice. Btw: Is the Ondio already an "official supported platform" for the 2.3 release? Then it would make sense to add "Ondio 128 FM Recorder, Ondio 128 SP" to the rockbox statement on the home page
12.52.34 #       <amiconn> Maybe I'll manage to do both plugins and keyboard before release...
12.55.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's not up to me to prioritize you, but I'd say the keyboard is more important than the last plugins
12.56.02 #       <amiconn> The plugins are also important (at least the default event handler part), because of the reason I mentioned yesterday.
12.56.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "officially supported": why not? What's your opinion?
12.56.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I wasn't around yesterday
12.57.42 #       <Zagor> amiconn: yes, they will be added to the frontpage when we release 2.3
12.58.48 #       <amiconn> Zagor: okay
12.59.33 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: 11.02.46 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I'd rather do that plugin stuff before release, because (iirc) shortly after the last release we broke api compatibility. That raised a number of "support calls" on the ml, because people wanted to flash with mixed rockbox/plugin versions, and got "incompatible version"
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13.04.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, you could you prepare the API and implement later?
13.09.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I would do the keyboard, but my time is limited atm
13.19.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe I can do something, but can't promise :-(
13.25.36 #       <amiconn> I can't change the api before the usb changes are done, because usb_screen() has to go, which can't be done as long as it is still used by plugins
13.26.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, OK
13.26.05 #       <amiconn> There are 8 plugins left to rework, 4 of them need only the usb adaption (they are player only)
13.28.07 #       <amiconn> Depending on how complex the button changes work out, I may complete them this night, but I promise nothing...
13.50.29 #       <Zagor> Bagder: here?
13.51.07 #       <Zagor> Bagder: $maxalbumsperartist is never set
13.53.27 #       <Zagor> in fact there isn't a list of albums attached to each artist either. ok.
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14.52.04 #       <Bagder> Zagor: nah, there's still some things left. Like that.
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15.02.02 #       <Lynx_> if the debug menu shows questionmarks for the flash info, nothing can be done about flashing, right?
15.02.14 #       <Bagder> correct
15.02.25 #       <Bagder> I'm in that position too
15.02.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Lynx_: how is your SMT soldering?
15.03.11 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: hehe, i don't even know what the smt stands for...
15.03.34 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: you mean i could solder a new chip onto the board?
15.03.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I did that.
15.04.09 #       <Lynx_> it's not my own box, and i don't know anyone that can do that or has the equipment anyway
15.04.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but be warned the pins are 0.5 mm spaced
15.04.54 #       <Lynx_> we're not going to do that anyway
15.06.15 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: how much would the flashable chip cost?
15.07.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a few $
15.08.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's more involved than just soldering: you need to attach a serial link to the interior of the box (needs a level converter), and you need to hack the hardware a bit, to make it boot from there
15.10.19 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: ok, it's not worth the effort for us
15.10.49 #       <Lynx_> what is all the MDB stuff in the menu? is that new, i didn't read anthing in the list
15.21.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Micronas Dynac Bass, a psycho-trick to "emulate" bass which your phones can't reproduce
15.21.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/Dynac/Dynamic
15.22.21 #       <Lynx_> ah, ok.
15.23.14 #       <Zagor> Bagder: also the song table pointer is hardcoded to 48? :)
15.23.21 #       <Bagder> yes
15.23.33 #       <Bagder> it'll always start there as you can see
15.23.51 #       <Bagder> but I do have local mods not yet committed
15.24.12 #       <Zagor> the filename table, yes. but the song table position depends on the size of the filename table
15.24.47 #       <Zagor> that's why I didn't give the filename table a pointer at all
15.24.57 #       <Bagder> aha, right
15.25.01 #       <Bagder> a bug
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15.26.42 #       <Lynx_> would you say you can clearly hear the difference between mdb off an on?
15.33.49 #       <Zagor> it's not just an on/off switch. there are several parameters that adjust the effect
15.35.37 #       <Zagor> Bagder: are you fixing songdb.pl right now?
15.35.45 #       <Zagor> i.e. do you want more feedback?
15.35.47 #       <Bagder> not this very second, no
15.35.52 #       <Bagder> you can wait a bit
15.35.54 #       <Zagor> ok
15.35.57 #       <Bagder> I have pending fixes
15.54.42 #       <Bagder> committed what I have now
15.57.26 #       <Zagor> excellent
15.57.47 #       <Bagder> feel free to edit, I won't be doing anything for a while now
15.58.00 #       <Zagor> ok
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16.16.18 #       <Zagor> i wonder if we should perhaps replace empty strings with <empty> or something
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16.49.12 #       <ScrpWork> yo ppl
16.49.46 #       <Zagor> hi
16.50.13 #       <ScrpWork> hi Zagor
16.50.28 #       <ScrpWork> your nick sounds familiar, maybe in the forums
16.50.45 #       <Zagor> heh, yeah i've been around a bit.
16.50.46 #       <ScrpWork> yeah you were the one arguing in iRiverLounge
16.50.49 #       <ScrpWork> hehehe
16.51.00 #       <Zagor> well I'm the founder...
16.51.14 #       <ScrpWork> Rockbox project founder?
16.51.17 #       <Zagor> yes
16.51.21 #       <ScrpWork> oh cool
16.51.49 #       <ScrpWork> yeah I remember seeing Konrad all pissed off and I never understood why
16.52.14 #       <Zagor> that was a strange episode
16.52.21 #       <ScrpWork> I guess they wanted something like "we worship iRiverLounge's Konrad 'cos we got this info from his team" in your webpage hehehe
16.52.26 #       <ScrpWork> such a kid
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16.57.37 #       <ScrpWork> they stopped their project for good, right?
16.58.00 #       <Zagor> that's what they said anyway
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17.00.41 #       <ScrpWork> too bad 'cos even if they have that attitude, they were doing some useful research
17.01.26 #       <Zagor> indeed
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17.10.41 #       <ScrpWork> so what are the latest news in iRiver porting?
17.11.51 #       <Zagor> depends on what you last heard :)
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17.15.56 #       <ScrpWork> last thing I heard was from Linus that he got Background Debug Module running
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17.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> but I wanted to know more about the disasembling of the firmware
17.16.05 #       <ScrpWork> [11:15:45 am] <ScrpWork> last thing I heard was from Linus that he got Background Debug Module running
17.16.05 #       <ScrpWork> [11:15:57 am] <ScrpWork> but I wanted to know more about the disasembling of the firmware
17.16.37 #       <Zagor> we're not looking much at the iriver firmware. we're focused on writing our own.
17.17.29 #       <ScrpWork> your firmware is open source?
17.17.32 #       <Zagor> linus got the scheduler running and the firmware can now blink the background led :)
17.17.33 #       <Zagor> yes
17.17.35 #       <ScrpWork> I mean you distribute the sources?
17.17.37 #       <ScrpWork> yes? that's great
17.17.38 #       <Zagor> yes
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17.18.09 #       <ScrpWork> I would love an iRiver H120 emulator
17.18.19 #       <Zagor> we would never have gotten this far with closed source
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17.19.14 #       <ScrpWork> I guess, people love to help with open source
17.19.14 #       <Zagor> there were some people working on an emulator a month ago or so. i don't know the status of that.
17.19.15 #       <ScrpWork> but hate to code everything
17.19.22 #       <ScrpWork> really?
17.19.29 #       <ScrpWork> I'm really interested in an emulator
17.19.34 #       <ScrpWork> even if I have to make one my own heh
17.19.34 #       <Zagor> yeah. search the wiki
17.19.50 #       <ScrpWork> I've heard from Badger you have a simulator for the CPU
17.19.55 #       <ScrpWork> but the thing is to emulate the whole tihng
17.19.56 #       <ScrpWork> thing
17.20.05 #       <ScrpWork> all the hardware, like the Palm emulator :)
17.20.44 #       <Zagor> yeah, as i understand it someone had that ambition. it's lots of work though, so I won't blame him if he changed his mind :)
17.21.09 #       <ScrpWork> yup lot of work, but it can be a subproject, I mean, people that won't bother the core developers of the Rockbox project
17.21.22 #       <Zagor> sure
17.21.33 #       <ScrpWork> well if it's only one guy he'll never make it, not 'cos skills, but 'cos lack of time instead
17.21.59 #       <Zagor> yes. but all projects start with only one guy :)
17.22.12 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ColdfireEmulatorDevelopment
17.22.14 #       <ScrpWork> I guess (I have never made a project myself)
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17.22.42 #       <ScrpWork> that emulates the CPU
17.22.48 #       <ScrpWork> previous versions of
17.22.54 #       <Bagder> that's a good start
17.23.23 #       <ScrpWork> good start? that's like halfway through heheh emulate the CPU is the hardest thing on any emulator usually
17.24.12 #       <Bagder> well, the archos emulators did the CPU but not the rest
17.24.13 #       <Bagder> too
17.24.26 #       <Bagder> so I wouldn't underestimate the rest
17.25.17 #       <ScrpWork> have you seen the Palm emulator? that's what I picture in my mind for the iRiver
17.25.29 #       <Zagor> except that mad guy who wrote a whole av120 emulator in java, then disappeared off the face of the earth... :-)
17.26.03 #       <Bagder> still, for Rockbox, we manage pretty fine with the simulator
17.26.16 #       <ScrpWork> I'm way sure of it
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17.27.06 #       <ScrpWork> but an emulator will promote people to enhance any firmware, or make their own
17.27.09 #       <Bagder> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=68.0
17.27.12 #       <Bagder> nice post
17.27.24 #       <Bagder> "any firmware" ?
17.27.28 #       <Bagder> you think there will be many?
17.27.54 #       <ScrpWork> with an emulator and the source code of Rockbox, hell yes you'll see like 10 different firmware come out of nowhere
17.28.03 #       <Bagder> why?
17.28.07 #       <Bagder> we don't on archos
17.28.14 #       <Bagder> we see two
17.28.19 #       <ScrpWork> I don't think archos players are that widely used
17.28.30 #       <Bagder> we have 600 subscribers of the list
17.28.36 #       <Bagder> isn't that wide enough?
17.28.44 #       <Bagder> people don't fork "just because"
17.28.53 #       <Zagor> ScrpWork: i think you overestimate the appeal of writing your own firmware :)
17.29.08 #       <ScrpWork> well I won't write my own firmware, that's not easy at all
17.29.09 #       <Bagder> you want developers to develop it
17.29.24 #       <Bagder> having a larger team in one project is better than spread out in many
17.29.30 #       <Zagor> we actually thought people would want to do it, and even prepared the code for it, but it never happened.
17.30.16 #       <Zagor> most people rather contribute to rockbox instead of forking it off
17.30.56 #       <Zagor> (the exception is the people who try to rip it off, but let's not go into that...)
17.31.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OpenNeo is a fork...
17.32.14 #       <Zagor> yes
17.33.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so there is one, plus what BC is doing
17.34.44 #       <Zagor> yes, but I don't see openneo as a traditional fork. they didn't fork off because they wanted to go in a different direction. they forked because they wanted to claim all the credit.
17.36.00 #       <Zagor> but let me rephrase: nobody wanted to write their own firmware using our drivers. everybody is using our complete code.
17.36.09 #       <ScrpWork> so you patched the ColdFire emulator to work on the 5249?
17.37.12 #       <Zagor> ScrpWork: i don't know the status of the emulator work
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19.58.07 #       <_aLF> hi
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21.21.01 #       <ScrpWork> geez Lucretia has a quite stable connection huh?
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22.07.28 #       <webguest74> hello?
22.07.31 #       <ScrpWork> yo
22.07.40 #       <ScrpWork> you look like Zagor
22.07.46 #       <webguest74> hi im tryin to track someone down
22.07.55 #       <ScrpWork> who?
22.08.08 #       <webguest74> "yeft"
22.08.32 #       <ScrpWork> never heard of that nick before
22.08.40 #       <ScrpWork> but maybe someone else around have
22.09.24 #       <webguest74> aww
22.10.25 #       <webguest74> dwihno might
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23.01.34 #       <iRiverMan> hiya
23.01.39 #       <iRiverMan> Got a response from iriver today
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23.07.13 #       <ScrpWork> and?
23.07.17 #       <ScrpWork> what did they say?
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23.07.20 #       <ScrpWork> and what did you ask? :)
23.07.47 #       <iRiverMan> about the shuffling issue
23.08.07 #       <iRiverMan> Thank you for your email.  We are sorry to cause you any inconvenience.  We will pass all of your problems and valuable suggestions to our engineering team for consideration. We will try to satisfy our customer's requests.
23.08.13 #       <iRiverMan> thats what they sent me
23.08.34 #       <iRiverMan> When i set the Shuffle mode when playing Playlists, the Shuffle mode always plays the same songs in the same order. I don''t have this problem when shuffleing the entire hard drive, only when playing Playlists. Will there be a firmware upgrade to fix this? Also will there be a firmware upgrade to enable recording from the radio, ''on-the-fly'' playlist making, and support for the codecs AAC, MP3Pro and ATRAC3? Please answer my questions as I think t
23.08.40 #       <iRiverMan> that was my original email
23.08.59 #       <Zagor> looks like an actual personal response. i'm impressed :-)
23.09.16 #       <iRiverMan> whats that Zagor?
23.09.56 #       <Zagor> which iriver did you contact? us or korea?
23.10.14 #       <iRiverMan> i think it was the Europe section
23.10.30 #       <Zagor> ok
23.10.53 #       <iRiverMan> I think the iriver looks better in its champagne gold than black
23.13.53 #       <iRiverMan> i hope radio recording can be done via a f/w upgrade
23.14.15 #       <ScrpWork> oh that's why the told me for the same issue
23.14.37 #       <iRiverMan> pardon?
23.14.43 #       <ScrpWork> lemme login to the eBox thing
23.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> iRiver Response: (09/14/2004 01:26)
23.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> Dear Naikel,
23.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> Thank you for your suggestion, I will pass it to our development staff for consideration.
23.15.59 DBUG    Enqueued KICK ScrpWork
23.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> Thank you,
23.15.59 #       <ScrpWork> Thao T.
23.16.05 #       <ScrpWork> ---- my original mail was ---------
23.16.09 #       <ScrpWork> I have a serious request for a firmware upgrade. Shuffle randomness is non existant practically. I suggest you use a better random algorith, using the battery level as a seed. Or maybe count ticks since when you power on the player until you select shuffle and use the count as a seed. Another desirable request: Shuffle including subdirectories. As a workaround I create playlists but again the shuffle randomness is still being an issue. Regards, and thanks 
23.16.27 #       <ScrpWork> ---
23.16.32 #       <ScrpWork> and that was looooong time ago
23.16.36 #       <ScrpWork> still no fix for that
23.16.49 #       <ScrpWork> well more like a month ago heh
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23.18.19 #       <ScrpWork> the support for codecs AAC, MP3Pro and ATRAC3 I really doubt it
23.18.28 #       <LizardOfOz> hello
23.18.31 #       <ScrpWork> since the firmware can't grow much from the size it already has
23.18.46 #       <ScrpWork> but hell fix the randomness and all the users are gonna be happy
23.23.35 #       <iRiverMan> yea
23.23.45 #       <iRiverMan> but Scrp the decodeing is done by software not hardware
23.23.53 #       <iRiverMan> just requires new decoding code and all that
23.23.55 #       <ScrpWork> exactly
23.24.06 #       <ScrpWork> and there's no room for firmware to put that code in
23.24.19 #       <iRiverMan> but there is ogg decoding
23.24.23 #       <iRiverMan> and i know ogg is hard to decode
23.24.35 #       <ScrpWork> yeah and WMA but I think the firmware can't grow anymore
23.24.42 #       <Zagor> I'd say cost is even more an issue than room. all of those codecs are proprietary and require licensing.
23.24.47 #       <iRiverMan> im sure aac is possible
23.24.55 #       <iRiverMan> what about mp3pro
23.24.55 #       <ScrpWork> that might be a possibility
23.25.00 #       <iRiverMan> mp3pro doesn't need a licence
23.25.13 #       <iRiverMan> and mp3pro sounds much better than wma
23.25.18 #       <Zagor> yes is does
23.25.24 #       <Zagor> look it up
23.25.31 #       <ScrpWork> I still think mp3 is fine, OGG and WMA are a plus (and I don't use them) :\
23.25.48 #       <iRiverMan> WAV sounds awesome
23.25.55 #       <iRiverMan> played a WAV file today
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23.27.15 #       <iRiverMan> why WAV's can't have id3 tags like other codecs?
23.28.00 #       <Zagor> wav is not a codec. it's uncompressed.
23.28.34 #       <iRiverMan> yea but im sure it can hold some info like MP3
23.29.06 #       <iRiverMan> unless during the MP3 compressin the tag info is embedded in the code
23.29.18 #       <amiconn> Iirc WAV is a container format, and can contain audio in pretty much any form...
23.29.51 #       <iRiverMan> yea but usually WAV is used for uncompressed PCM audio 44.1Khz 16 bit sampling
23.29.58 #       <Zagor> you have a strange habit of assuming things without knowledge :)
23.30.10 #       <iRiverMan> well thats what WAV is 
23.30.37 #       <iRiverMan> when u rip a wav file in Musicmatch
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23.32.56 #       <iRiverMan> i know what i am talking about
23.32.56 #       <iRiverMan> :)
23.33.40 #       <ScrpWork> wave have a header yeah but the already invented it and they didn't leave any room for "tags"
23.33.48 #       <ScrpWork> :P
23.33.59 #       <ScrpWork> you have to make up a new audio container
23.34.12 #       <ScrpWork> call it iMan with extension .iman
23.34.45 #       <iRiverMan> Scrp u are beginning to sound like someone rather familiar ;-)
23.35.06 #       <ScrpWork> you can save an mp3 as a .wav and it works, all audio software (like Sound Forge) allows you to do that, WAV is just a container
23.35.09 #       <ScrpWork> like AVI, OGM, etc
23.35.13 #       <ScrpWork> they can have anything inside
23.35.20 #       <ScrpWork> really? I'm new in the network
23.35.26 #       <ScrpWork> I'm from undernet
23.35.37 #       <iRiverMan> i own soundforge
23.35.39 #       <iRiverMan> :)
23.35.50 #       <iRiverMan> good software
23.36.06 #       <ScrpWork> yup even after Sony swallowed it, it's still good software
23.36.08 #       <ScrpWork> that's what I use everyday
23.36.33 #       <iRiverMan> me 2
23.36.46 #       <iRiverMan> i suppose the Sony versions let u save in ATRAC3
23.36.56 #       <ScrpWork> yeah but you have to buy the plugin
23.37.04 #       <ScrpWork> well you have to buy the mp3 plugin to save in MP3
23.37.17 #       <ScrpWork> you have like 10 free uses first
23.37.32 #       <iRiverMan> that is just GAY
23.37.40 #       <iRiverMan> typical Sony razor blade marketing
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23.37.50 #       <ScrpWork> Sound Forge is like that, after I saved my 10 MP3 is asked me for the registration code
23.37.59 #       <iRiverMan> i've got a pirate version
23.38.02 #       <ScrpWork> just for the MP3 plugin, totally different to the registration code of the software
23.38.13 #       <ScrpWork> yeah me too, I downloaded a keygenerator for that and fuck it hehehe
23.38.33 #       <iRiverMan> :D
23.38.33 #       <ScrpWork> why is there so many people with host labb.contactor.se?!?!?
23.38.47 #       <Zagor> everyone using the web client gets that
23.38.56 #       <ScrpWork> there's a web client?
23.39.04 #       <Zagor> yes
23.39.11 #       <iRiverMan> At least with the iriver mp3 transfer is simple drag-and-drop
23.40.08 #       <Zagor> and I have that host too sometimes because I use an irc proxy on that server
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23.40.46 #       <iRiverMan> the feel of the ipod is so tacky compared to iriver
23.40.46 #       <iRiverMan> :)
23.42.21 #       <Zagor> ahh, finally got the database generator working right
23.42.25 #       <mrelwood> What is the best place for a noob to follow iHP-120 progress? Daily builds already list iHP-100...
23.43.33 #       <Zagor> mrelwood: this channel, really. there are not many mails or forum posts about it yet.
23.43.51 #       <mrelwood> ok. well, how's the progress..? :o)
23.44.00 #       <Zagor> you can read the logs on the web site if you don't want to be online all the time
23.44.34 #       <Zagor> steady but slow. linus has ported the kernel and ran a simple backlight blink program.
23.44.40 #       <mrelwood> I'm afraid I won't understand much unless explained...
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23.45.07 #       <iRiverMan> Zagor if u flashed iriver to rockbox, could u flash it back to iriver f/w?
23.45.22 #       <Zagor> I don't have any hardware yet, so I'm doing high-level stuff like codecs and id3 database
23.45.26 #       <Zagor> iRiverMan: yes
23.45.31 #       <iRiverMan> how?
23.45.37 #       <iRiverMan> the iriver f/w has the extension .hex
23.45.44 #       <mrelwood> okay... I suppose the porting is a good thing...
23.46.05 #       <Zagor> iRiverMan: you select the file and press play
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23.46.52 #       <iRiverMan> ok coolies
23.47.01 #       <miner49er> Can anyone help me with a rockbox coding question please?
23.47.10 #       <Zagor> miner49er: sure
23.47.42 #       <miner49er> You know the _drawarray function? can I use it in a plugin?
23.47.57 #       <miner49er> it doesn't seem to be used anywhere?
23.48.20 #       <miner49er> I wondered if it would work like a bitblip, so I could do offscreen drawing.
23.48.33 #       <miner49er> bitblit, sorry :-)
23.48.56 #       <Zagor> drawarray?
23.49.11 #       <Zagor> there is no such function
23.49.18 #       <miner49er> yeah, i think that's what it's called - i'll go see
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23.49.53 #       <miner49er> hah, sorry it's called writearray
23.50.41 #       <Zagor> ah, ok. it's internal to the grayscale lib. you can't call it. what do you need it for?
23.50.44 #       <miner49er> and it's in a file gray_drawGrayMap
23.51.23 #       <miner49er> Well, I wondered if the array could be filled up elsewhere and drawn to the screen quickly
23.51.48 #       <Zagor> that's how the screenbuffer works already
23.52.27 #       <Zagor> do you want to draw grayscale or b/w?
23.52.30 #       <miner49er> Oh, right. But how come if I fill the screen pixel by pixel i see it happen, like it updates straight away?
23.52.39 #       <miner49er> ...for each pixel.
23.52.58 #       <miner49er> Oh, I want grayscale, yes.
23.53.00 #       <iRiverMan> just out of interest with the ondio in rockbox can u access the MMC card and on-board flash memory at the same time?
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23.53.31 #       <amiconn> miner49er: _writearray is private (that's why it is prefixed with _) - don't touch it. You can prepare an image as a garymap and use gray_drawgraymap() to display it
23.53.46 #       <amiconn> iRiverMan: Not yet, but it is planned
23.53.58 #       <iRiverMan> is it possible
23.53.59 #       <iRiverMan> ?
23.54.13 #       <amiconn> Yup.
23.54.14 #       <miner49er> Oh, okay, I will go and play with that then. Thank for your help :-)
23.54.27 #       <iRiverMan> I wonder why the Ondio won't work with SD cards
23.54.58 #       <amiconn> Because they don't fit mechanically - they are 2.1 mm thick, while MMCs are only 1.4 mm thick
23.55.18 #       <amiconn> If you can force them to fit, they work - one user has tried it
23.56.11 #       <Zagor> amiconn: by carving a bigger hole? ;)
23.56.34 #       <amiconn> I dunno exactly how he did it...
23.57.16 #       <amiconn> ...but he uses an 1 GB SD card, and it works with rockbox (but not with archos fw :-P)
23.57.28 #       <Zagor> hehe