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00.00.14 #       <Newone^> where did get the drivers?
00.00.39 #       <Newone^> I could only find win9x ones.. and they say winxp it uses built in mass storage drivers.. but never finds them :(
00.00.39 #       <kkkk> New: have you tried a fresh version of windows with the official drivers?
00.00.46 #       <kkkk> hmm :\
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00.01.05 #       <kkkk> thats actually happened to me with an external usb hdd :\
00.01.14 #       <Newone^> I have 5 systems here.. have tried now different drivers etc.. on all but one
00.01.17 #       <kkkk> maybe its a service pack 2 thing..which SP do u have?
00.01.20 #       <Newone^> < on last clean system 
00.01.24 #       <kkkk> hmm
00.01.29 #       <Newone^> one*
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00.01.35 #       <Newone^> Thinking that
00.01.43 #       <Newone^> all but this last one has sp2 installed
00.01.50 #       <kkkk> hmm
00.01.59 #       <Newone^> Guess I will try it on that one.. DUH :)
00.02.03 #       <kkkk> lol :)
00.02.14 #       <Newone^> < brain fart.. brb
00.02.18 #       <kkkk> hehe 
00.02.23 #       <amiconn> Newone^: http://www.archos.com/download/drivers/Archos_USB_Drivers_04062004.zip Unzip, and then point the hardware wizard to this directory. Worked for me with both XP SP1 and SP2
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00.04.10 #       <amiconn> WinXP does have its own drivers for all USB mass storage compliant devices. Devices using ISD200 are not (all Archos USB1.1 jukeboxes: 5000/6000/Studio, and Recorder up to 15)
00.04.34 #       <RxPony> hmm
00.05.02 #       <Newone^> yep on that one also .. cant install this hardware.. blah blah because wizard can not find the nesassary software ;)
00.05.13 #       <Newone^> Ok will try that :D.. 
00.05.24 #       <Newone^> not a sp2 issue to this point anyway
00.05.42 #       <RxPony> ah well :\
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00.20.30 #       <RxPony> cya guys
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00.34.30 #       <unionpeak> hey anyone here?
00.34.34 #       <Zagor> yes
00.34.43 #       <unionpeak> my jukebox recorder v2 broke
00.34.48 #       <unionpeak> is there anyway i can access the files
00.34.51 #       <unionpeak> with my comp
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00.35.03 #       <Zagor> depends on how it broke
00.35.30 #       <unionpeak> im not sure its some kinda power supply problem....i sent it into archos, but rockbox voids the warranty
00.35.41 #       <unionpeak> obviously the hd's still good though if they could find that out
00.35.54 #       <Zagor> are you the one who posted on the yahoogroups list?
00.35.58 #       <unionpeak> no'p
00.37.49 #       <Zagor> well if you want to void the warranty you can take out the disk and read it in a pc using a $5 adapter. but you want to get that hardware error fixed anyway.
00.43.52 #       <unionpeak> yeah its $65 and i dunno if its even worth it now that things kinda big and outdated
00.44.46 #       <midk> you can save your stuff and get a smaller one if you wish, like Zagor said
00.45.35 #       <unionpeak> yeah
00.45.44 #       <unionpeak> whats a good priced mp3 player thats pretty small these days
00.46.06 #       <midk> the iriver is small and rockbox is being ported, but it's not good priced last i checked
00.46.13 #       <midk> though it may be nowadays, not sure
00.46.39 #       <unionpeak> yeah
00.46.47 #       <midk> looks like at least 300
00.47.08 #       <midk> you really may want to check out the rio karma..
00.47.42 #       <unionpeak> yeah im a broke college student so i dunno i might just have to be mp3 playerless for awhile
00.47.57 #       <midk> is size a problem?
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01.03.25 #       <ze> i've seen it claimed that the karma runs ecos
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01.05.51 #       <midk> mm.. looks like.. neat
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03.49.57 #       <midk> no way.
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03.50.09 #       <midk> aww...
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03.50.15 #       <midk> no way.
03.50.35 #       <Plugh> wtf
03.50.39 #       <Plugh> must be a bot
03.50.47 #       <Plugh> anyone awake who compiles rockbox?
03.50.47 #       <midk> :p
03.50.49 #       <midk> haha.
03.50.54 #       * midk raises hand
03.50.56 #       * Sebulba02 says "plough" and warps back to the house at the beginning of a road.
03.50.59 #       <Plugh> I'm having an issue
03.51.07 #       <midk> 'tis it?
03.51.15 #       <Plugh> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/plugh/rockbox/tools'
03.51.15 #       <Plugh> sh-elf-gcc -O -ansi    scramble.c   -o scramble
03.51.15 #       <Plugh> scramble.c:20:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory
03.51.15 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Plugh
03.51.15 #       <Plugh> scramble.c:21:20: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
03.51.30 #       <Plugh> a hollow voice says "Cretin."
03.51.52 #       <Plugh> worked last time I built
03.51.52 #       <midk> never had it, did you install the cross compiler correctly?
03.51.55 #       <Plugh> new code doesn't work
03.52.05 #       <Plugh> I can still compile out of my old dir
03.52.15 #       <Plugh> the cross-compiler works like a charm
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03.52.15 #       * Sebulba02 throws Plugh into the maze of directions that are all different.
03.52.17 #       <midk> weirder.
03.52.28 #       <Plugh> but last time I built was, like, 4 months ago
03.52.41 #       <midk> i think they may have updated a few things..
03.52.51 #       <Plugh> You are in a maze of twisty passages.
03.52.54 #       <Plugh> It is dark.
03.52.55 #       <midk> the doc has been updated recently as well.. may want to re-[install] it.
03.53.00 #       <Plugh> You may be eaten by a grue.
03.53.18 #       <Sebulba02> heh
03.53.23 #       <Sebulba02> I miss that game sometimes.
03.54.36 #       <Plugh> I'm reading the compile doc
03.54.40 #       <Plugh> everything is in order
03.54.54 #       <midk> even the right versions of gcc/binutils?
03.55.01 #       <Plugh> looks like the makefile wasn't created with the correct INCLUDE dirs
03.55.11 #       <midk> amiconn and linus were messing around with different versions a bit ago
03.55.19 #       <Plugh> bah
03.55.38 #       <Plugh> can you do me a favor, since I have one hour before I have to go do a recording session?
03.55.44 #       <midk> yep
03.55.47 #       <Plugh> I need a new option for splits
03.55.52 #       <Plugh> 76 mins
03.55.57 #       <midk> new option for splits?
03.56.21 #       <Plugh> right now it has like 1 min, 5 min, 15 min, 30, 60, 120, 180, 240...
03.56.30 #       <midk> oh, simple enough
03.56.32 #       <Plugh> and no 76 or 80 for CD length
03.56.50 #       <Plugh> midk=mk2k?
03.56.54 #       <midk> haven't worked with rockbox for a bit
03.56.55 #       <midk> yep..
03.57.01 #       <Plugh> hey dude. ltns
03.57.05 #       <midk> you haven't been here since the nick change? :)
03.57.08 #       <midk> ltns?
03.57.12 #       <midk> oh, yep
03.57.13 #       <midk> :)
03.57.14 #       <Plugh> long time no see
03.57.24 #       <midk> defnitely
03.57.33 #       <midk> ok, let
03.57.33 #       <Plugh> some nitwit registered my nickname on freenode too
03.57.36 #       <Plugh> it sux
03.57.43 #       <midk> let's see if i can get this working..
03.58.05 #       <Plugh> lemme see if I can find the lines of code that are needed so you can apply to current
03.58.33 #       <midk> i've worked on this before...
03.58.42 #       <midk> but if you've got a modified copy you need compiled that works too
04.00.35 #       <Plugh>     {4, S_O(rec_timesplit), 0, "rec timesplit", /* 0...13 */
04.00.35 #       <Plugh>         "off,00:05,00:10,00:15,00:30,01:00,02:00,04:00,06:00,08:00,10:00,12:00,18:00,24:00" },
04.00.40 #       <Plugh> in settings.h
04.00.47 #       <Plugh> err settings.cpp
04.01.08 #       <Plugh> .c
04.01.10 #       <Plugh> damn
04.01.18 #       <Plugh> been working in the world of c++ lately
04.01.21 #       <midk> looks like the printed text, though.. is that all that needs changing?
04.01.23 #       <Plugh> hacking everquest
04.01.30 #       <Plugh> not sure. Still searching
04.02.04 #       <midk> ah, i've got it i think.
04.02.23 #       <Plugh> static const unsigned long rec_timer_seconds[] =
04.02.23 #       <Plugh> {
04.02.23 #       <Plugh>     24*60*60, /* OFF really means 24 hours, to avoid >2Gbyte files */
04.02.29 #       <Plugh> there's that array
04.02.31 #       <midk> 76 and 60?
04.02.39 #       <midk> 80*
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04.03.34 #       <Plugh> 76 and 80
04.04.07 #       <Plugh> if the times are put in settings and in that array (last in the file) it should work
04.04.35 #       <Plugh> I'll submit this as a feature request for upcoming releases
04.04.44 #       <midk> i'll merge it when i'm done maybe :)
04.04.53 #       <midk> if it w.. you'll have to tell me if it works.
04.04.58 #       <Plugh> oh, you have submit access?
04.05.03 #       <midk> yep
04.05.12 #       <Plugh> you've come a long way. ;)
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04.05.30 #       <midk> sure have..
04.05.31 #       <Plugh> CD split times make perfect sense to me
04.05.37 #       <midk> you missed my windows->linux transition :)
04.05.48 #       <Plugh> so I did. Congrats on the move
04.05.59 #       <midk> i've got some bad feeling this won't work so easily.
04.06.09 #       <Plugh> why?
04.06.14 #       <midk> not sure
04.06.21 #       <midk> experience ;)
04.06.45 #       <midk> fmr?
04.06.48 #       <Plugh> yeah
04.06.55 #       <Plugh> still going strong
04.07.09 #       <midk> oh, no.....
04.07.21 #       <Plugh> ?
04.07.41 #       <midk> hang on.
04.07.56 #       <Plugh> midk: still dinging when I type this?
04.08.07 #       <midk> nope, xchat now, not stupid mirc :)
04.08.08 #       <Plugh> or did you fully migrate to Linux?
04.08.12 #       <midk> doesn't beep at all anymore :\
04.08.13 #       <Plugh> sweet
04.08.20 #       <Plugh> still using irssi here
04.08.23 #       <midk> not completely, i use windows for 3d animation and gaming
04.08.30 #       <midk> = not too often
04.08.32 #       <Plugh> we'll get you to console mode before you know it
04.08.39 #       <Plugh> I live in Everquest
04.08.41 #       <midk> no way, never! :)
04.08.48 #       <Plugh> my latest project is hacking EQ
04.09.02 #       <midk> cool
04.09.03 #       <Plugh> still opensource
04.09.04 #       <midk> never played
04.09.07 #       <Plugh> but moving to C++
04.09.10 #       <Plugh> don't start
04.10.19 #       <midk> yak yak yak..
04.10.21 #       <midk> ok wtf
04.10.37 #       <midk> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/midk/rockbox-devel/tools'
04.10.37 #       <midk> sh-elf-gcc -O -ansi    scramble.c   -o scramble
04.10.37 #       <midk> scramble.c:20:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory
04.10.37 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midk
04.10.37 #       <midk> scramble.c:21:20: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
04.13.16 #       <Plugh> that's what I got
04.13.19 #       <Plugh> gsi
04.13.20 #       <Plugh> gdi
04.13.23 #       <Plugh> even
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04.14.05 #       <midk> they must've moved on to a newer gcc without us :\
04.27.52 #       <midk> ah dammit.. well, i can't get it to work :\ sorry plugh
04.29.38 #       <Plugh> I might just patch my working copy
04.29.44 #       <Plugh> old code, but it'll work
04.31.45 #       <midk> best of luck
04.33.22 #       <Plugh> aw crap
04.33.26 #       <Plugh> fucked it up
04.33.35 #       <midk> ?
04.33.40 #       <Plugh> I had a partial copy :(
04.33.58 #       <Plugh> now I need to find the archival copy from before the gcc change
04.34.00 #       <Plugh> and patch that
04.34.39 #       <midk> you can get any version from cvs.
04.34.47 #       <Plugh> yeah I know
04.34.52 #       <midk> from 7/12/03 if you want.
04.34.58 #       <Plugh> but what I don't know is, when it last worked. heh
04.34.58 #       <midk> :\
04.35.03 #       <Plugh> 7/12 was good?
04.35.04 #       <midk> same ol' attitude ;)
04.35.08 #       <midk> no, just a random date
04.35.29 #       <Plugh> well, that would have been about the time I last compiled. haha
04.36.07 #       <midk> :)
04.37.33 #       <Plugh> off the top of your head, was the command -R 07/12/2004?
04.38.03 #       <midk> no idea in the world
04.38.09 #       <midk> t'would be like this:
04.38.17 #       <midk> -R rockbox-daily-20040712
04.38.24 #       <midk> not sure of the -R, that is
04.38.35 #       <Plugh> oh
04.38.35 #       <Plugh> -D
04.38.37 #       <Plugh> sorry
04.38.40 #       <midk> -D, yes.
04.42.48 #       <Plugh> cool
04.42.57 #       <Plugh> last recording changes were in June
04.43.02 #       <midk> working?
04.43.04 #       <Plugh> so July should be a fine time to build
04.43.08 #       <Plugh> it compiled
04.43.14 #       <Plugh> making my changes and rebuilding
04.44.02 #       <midk> ok, good
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04.45.44 #       <Plugh> sheesh, like the old days
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04.53.30 #       <Plugh> mk: did you graduate yet?
04.53.41 #       <Plugh> didn't remember what grade you were in when I bailed
05.12.03 #       <midk> haha
05.12.07 #       <midk> nope, 9th grade :)
05.14.11 #       <Plugh> hehe
05.14.12 #       <Plugh> okie
05.14.19 #       <Plugh> well, didn't get it working
05.15.55 #       <Plugh> guess it's hour splits :(
05.16.10 #       <midk> damnit :\
05.16.26 #       <Plugh> not even sure which one I'm running now
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05.28.38 #       <midk> does that mean that...
05.28.51 #       <midk> you'll get 1.2 cds in one mp3?
05.28.56 #       <midk> ie, they're continuous?
05.29.09 #       <midk> oh, wait.
05.29.22 #       <midk> are the cds played continuously, is what i'm asking?
05.29.40 #       <midk> if you chose two hours, for example, you'd have an mp3 of one and a half cd or so
05.30.04 #       <midk> or you'd have 80 minutes of that 120 total taken up, the last 40m is blank?
05.36.22 #       <Plugh> yeah, cds are meant to be played continuously
05.36.29 #       <Plugh> recording a party
05.36.42 #       <midk> ok, here's the suggestion.
05.36.49 #       <midk> set timesplit to off to get one huge file.
05.36.55 #       <Plugh> bah
05.36.55 #       <Plugh> heh
05.36.56 #       <midk> use the splitedit plugin to cut it into pieces.
05.36.58 #       <midk> genius!
05.37.07 #       <Plugh> there's actually a problem with long files
05.37.13 #       <midk> they suck?
05.37.22 #       <Plugh> the recorder bugs out from time to time
05.37.42 #       <Plugh> and it's far better if the recording stops every so often and makes a new file
05.37.48 #       <Plugh> it's a bug in the MAS chip
05.38.00 #       <midk> yeah, on a scale of 1-10 i'd rate the recording reliability of rockbox as a 66/10.. archos firmware, 2/10
05.38.02 #       <Plugh> when it gets overloaded, sometimes it bugs out the mp3 frames
05.38.09 #       <midk> 6/10*
05.38.11 #       <midk> 6!.
05.38.12 #       <midk> :)
05.38.50 #       <Plugh> there's a program to fix the frames
05.39.00 #       <Plugh> so it's not a tragedy when it happens
05.39.04 #       <midk> just locked up or stopped for some reason
05.39.15 #       <Plugh> no, it actually corrupts the mp3
05.39.25 #       <Plugh> makes it unplayable on anything but the unit
05.39.34 #       <Plugh> and even then, it plays back with distortion
05.39.49 #       <Plugh> so if you remove all the broken frames, it comes out okay
05.39.51 #       <midk> < - < - < - < - < - < - < -
05.39.55 #       <Plugh> but missing the frames
05.40.11 #       <midk> ^ your mouth :)
05.40.12 #       <Plugh> you lose about 1/60th of a second here and there out of the recording
05.40.39 #       <Plugh> not a show-stopper, but annoying to have to do nonetheless
05.40.57 #       <Plugh> I'll be recording for about 36 hours solid
05.41.27 #       <Plugh> and I'd much rather be able to have cd sized chunks to pass around than a 2 gig block of sound
05.41.50 #       <midk> oh
05.42.02 #       <midk> i thought you were talking something like 4 or 5 cds total
05.42.12 #       <Plugh> nah. 20 or 30
05.42.15 #       <Plugh> :)
05.42.29 #       <midk> mm :)
05.42.40 #       <Plugh> I'm sure you can see now why I'd like to have CD sized splits
05.42.50 #       <midk> yeah, i think so.
05.42.59 #       <midk> then again, they could be off, not much of a point
05.43.07 #       <midk> -could+would
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08.12.09 #       <midk> beddy, nighty
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11.34.02 #       <amiconn> hi Jörg
11.34.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi Jens!
11.35.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> my FMR almost bursted, with a fat battery
11.35.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> swollen from 5.5 mm to 13.5 mm
11.36.02 #       <amiconn> Ooops. :(
11.36.15 #       <amiconn> How did that happen?
11.36.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> looked really odd, I probably post pictures later
11.36.40 #       <amiconn> Another question: I now have a sorted plugin api. I have not yet committed it, because I want to know whether you are going to add the battery check to the flash plugins. In that case I would export battery_level_safe() before committing
11.37.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or battery_level()
11.37.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (or however it's called)
11.37.28 #       <amiconn> battery_level() is already there
11.37.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, then I can use that
11.38.13 #       <amiconn> battery_level() returns a percentage, while battery_level_safe() returns a boolean
11.38.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the safe limit is not accessible?
11.38.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like, check for >20% or so?
11.39.31 #       * [IDC]Dragon has to vacuum-clean now, away
11.40.22 #       <amiconn> No, this is only internal. In addition, battery_level() returns the averaged value, while battery_level_safe() uses the current value
11.40.58 #       <woop> I have a question about rockbox. If I have 2100mAh batteries should I change the setting to 2100? Will it make it go longer or is just used when calculating the display? (It's still on 1500)
11.41.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, ok, then let's export it
11.41.09 #       <woop> (recorder)
11.41.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (costs just 4 bytes)
11.41.58 #       <amiconn> woop: It's used for calculating the remaining runtime, and the max. charging time. I'd recommend to set it to 2100
11.42.17 #       <woop> aah, thx!
11.43.19 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: The MMC driver is rather sensitive to sparsely yielding plugins :(
11.45.55 #       <amiconn> Perhaps I'll change the reading to dynamically decide whether to yield or not (and swap-behind), but this is certainly a post-2.3 change
11.52.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are we ready for 2.3 otherwise?
11.53.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then we should announce to please test
11.53.26 #       <amiconn> Still thinking about the keyboard...
11.53.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> don't think too hard
11.54.30 #       <amiconn> Otherwise there are 2 (minor) quirks on Ondio: (1) save settings is sloooo-oooow (2) Size display in GB doesn't really make sense for MMC
11.55.37 #       <amiconn> And the MMC driver still doesn't return unique error codes for each possible error
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12.03.04 #       <amiconn> The settings functions load_cfg_table() and save_cfg_table() use a rather primitive way for handling multiple-choice settings. This might be changed to use strtok_r()
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13.03.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> I have an evil twin
13.13.42 #       <amiconn> If you register your nick, you can kick such ghosts in the future
13.14.34 #       * [IDC]Dragon2 doesn't like registering
13.14.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon2> it'll go away
13.17.19 #       <amiconn> Registering has other advantages too. In case someone else uses you nick, you can kick him. Plus, someone can leave you a message on irc even if you are not there atm
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16.32.42 #       <Zagor> whee, I can now browse artists, albums and songs
16.34.05 #       <_aLF> :)
16.38.52 #       <Bagder> coolers Zagor 
16.38.58 #       * Bagder isn't really here
16.39.22 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I can do that since long ;)
16.39.58 #       <Zagor> hehe
16.39.59 #       * amiconn has a well organized mp3 collection
16.40.20 #       <Zagor> yeah, so do i. but this is fun anyway.
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17.07.52 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Why did you disable the config save on shutdown? I know that this was discussed, and it certainly makes sense on the rtc equipped units. It does not on rtc-less units...
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17.15.26 #       <Zagor> I disabled it because having it enabled is worse than having it totally disabled
17.15.51 #       <Zagor> ideally we would only spin up if hd_bits have changed, but that is not easily fixed
17.17.00 #       <Zagor> gotta go, see you later
17.17.03 #       <amiconn> Hmm. On rtc-less units a spinup is also required if rtc_bits have changed
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17.17.44 #       <Zagor|away> yes, but you don't want to always spin up when you shutdown.
17.18.27 #       <amiconn> On Ondio it is no problem...
17.20.31 #       <amiconn> ...but disabling the config save will probably cause wrong resume info, since the Ondio doesn't have an rtc
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18.05.45 #       <amiconn> hi again
18.06.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, hi ;-)
18.07.47 #       <amiconn> After thinking the button restrictions over and over, I'd settle for the following assignment in the Ondio keyboard:
18.08.17 #       <amiconn> - Same look as the recorder keyboard, but without the button bar
18.08.55 #       <amiconn> - Direction keys (+repeat) move around the cursor within the 4-row pickboard, and can move it to the filename as well
18.09.40 #       <amiconn> - Moving the cursor across the left/right border of the pickboard switches to the previous/next pickboard (no designated shift key)
18.10.03 #       <amiconn> - Short Menu in the pickboard inserts character
18.10.15 #       <amiconn> - Short menu in the filename is backspace
18.10.21 #       <amiconn> - Long menu accepts
18.10.28 #       <amiconn> - Off is cancel
18.10.44 #       <amiconn> What do you think?
18.10.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sounds good
18.10.55 #       <midk> don't have an ondio, but sounds good to me
18.11.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> especially the accept being the same in both positions
18.11.52 #       <amiconn> This may in fact help to make a better player keyboard as well, with only slight changes to the button assignments
18.12.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I was thinking about a softkey area (button bar position) where you can also move to
18.13.16 #       <amiconn> Hmm. If we need more functions, this is certainly an option.
18.13.36 #       <amiconn> For player, I think about the following layout:
18.13.59 #       <amiconn> - First line is pickboard, second line is filename
18.14.23 #       <amiconn> - + and - move left/right in either line, On toggles line
18.14.50 #       <amiconn> - Short Play in pickboard line inserts character, in filename it is backspace
18.14.57 #       <amiconn> - Long Play accepts
18.15.02 #       <amiconn> - Stop is cancel
18.15.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very similar, indeed
18.15.38 #       <amiconn> The Menu button still free...
18.16.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how tempting
18.29.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I committed the flash battery check
18.29.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is the MB/GB issue still open?
18.30.57 #       <midk> speaking of battery, what does the Ondio run on?
18.31.01 #       <midk> 2 AA? AAA?
18.31.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> midk: 3*AAA
18.31.52 #       <midk> interesting... how long do they last on a charge?
18.32.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I haven't done a long run
18.33.52 #       <amiconn> midk: Archos says one set will last ~10 hours. While this is a bit optimistic with their firmware, I consider it as the average runtime with rockbox, using branded alkalines
18.33.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but since it consumes ~70 mA and AAA rechargeables have ~800mAh
18.34.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> something like 8-10 hours perhaps
18.35.41 #       <midk> that's not much at all
18.36.30 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: MB/GB is still open. I'd go for dynamic calculation of the optimal scale
18.36.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it gets warm during operation, where the DC converter is, close tothe MMC
18.36.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: do you have that as well?
18.37.15 #       <amiconn> ?
18.37.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ondio heating up
18.37.48 #       <amiconn> I did not observe it yet
18.38.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it suggests the CD/DC converter is inefficient
18.38.23 #       <amiconn> I did only run it from alkalines so far (except my power consuptions measurements of course)
18.39.42 #       <amiconn> Did you also check power consumption? Could be interesting, especially how much the tuner adds
18.40.06 #       <midk> the rio chiba has just 1 AAA battery, and it can run about 12 hours for me
18.40.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: not yet
18.40.55 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Another thing that came to mind: Do you still get the background noise when recording with internal mic? Did you check whether this also happens with archos fw?
18.40.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> midk: the Ondio used anchient technology, same as for the HD models
18.41.06 #       <midk> hahaha :)
18.41.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I'm sure it does, too, but haven't checked
18.41.59 #       <amiconn> midk: Using rockbox actually improves battery life on the Ondio (by 30..40 %). See my power measurements in the wiki.
18.42.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> midk: this was OK while a HD has to be powered, too, but becomes dominant on a flash player
18.43.07 #       <midk> amiconn, i'd think so, same for the HD models
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18.45.14 #       <yeft> someone lookin for me?
18.45.28 #       <midk> i was!
18.45.36 #       <yeft> figured...
18.45.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> logan02 was
18.45.58 #       <yeft> i dont know logan 02...
18.46.08 #       <yeft> !seen logan02
18.46.10 #       <midk> sounds familiar
18.46.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> see yesterdays' log
18.46.20 #       <midk> try /msg logbot seen logan02
18.46.27 #       <yeft> it worked...
18.46.30 #       <yeft> got a pm
18.46.37 #       <midk> !seen LinusN
18.46.37 #       <yeft> [LAST SEEN] "logan02" - ~4128de2c@labb.contactor.se Quit 1day 4hrs 17mins 11secs ago Last Note: Quit: (freenode) "CGI:IRC"
18.46.49 #       <midk> oh, neat.
18.46.50 #       <yeft> whats up mk?
18.46.52 #       <midk> never tried it :)
18.46.53 #       <yeft> and everyone else
18.47.00 #       <midk> not much, you?
18.47.01 #       * yeft went to the darkside...
18.47.14 #       <Bagder>  /MSG logbot seen logan02
18.47.24 #       <yeft> freeipods.com...
18.47.34 #       <midk> wow, did it work?
18.47.40 #       <yeft> basically yeah
18.47.48 #       <yeft> i'm just waiting to get my ipod
18.47.52 #       <yeft> prolly about a month
18.47.53 #       <midk> i tried something like that once, they made me fill out an endless survey
18.48.19 #       <yeft> for this you have to  do one of their offers, and get 5 people to do it too
18.48.23 #       <yeft> hard as hell
18.48.26 #       <yeft> but hey...
18.48.29 #       <yeft> freeipod!
18.48.43 #       <midk> 'do one of their offers'?
18.49.03 #       <yeft> they have offers you have to sign up for...like ancestry.com, real.com
18.49.04 #       <yeft> et.c
18.49.08 #       <yeft> most use credit cards
18.49.36 #       <yeft> i was actually lookin into and av480
18.49.42 #       <yeft> but i just couldnt give more money to archos
18.49.46 #       <yeft> so i decided to get an ipod
18.49.49 #       <yeft> when i found the site
18.50.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> smells fishy
18.50.24 #       <yeft> www.freeipodguide.com
18.50.33 #       <yeft> 1 million and 1 testimonials you can find on there
18.50.43 #       <midk> all fake, for sure
18.50.48 #       <yeft> check ouut the forum...its ridculous they have getting freeipods down to an art
18.51.09 #       <yeft> theres 100s of pictures of people with their ipods..and my friend got his already
18.51.16 #       <midk> come back when you get it and let us know :)
18.51.22 #       <yeft> gladly
18.51.26 #       <yeft> :)
18.51.50 #       <yeft> Dragon: do you know why logan was looking for me?
18.52.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, but check the log
18.52.20 #       <Bagder> every pyramic scheme has some winners ;-)
18.52.21 #       <yeft> aight ...
18.52.24 #       <Bagder> pyramid
18.52.37 #       <yeft> its not reallly a pyramid scheme persay
18.52.54 #       <Bagder> nah, kidding
18.52.57 #       <yeft> because the lower levels have the about the same shot as getting the same gift as the higher lever
18.53.14 #       <yeft> but in reality it is a pyramid sheme
18.54.05 #       <yeft> hahah you guys see the mp3 player
18.54.07 #       <yeft> rocbox?
18.54.24 #       <Bagder> there's even one called rockbox
18.54.45 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I wonder what happened to your FMR battery. I though LiIon technology is safe, as long as the charging circuit is working properly
18.54.51 #       <amiconn> *thought
18.55.10 #       <yeft> 14.22.40 #       <logan02> does anyone here know someone named "yeft"
18.55.18 #       <yeft> hahah then quits
18.56.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: the GB is in the lang string, brr
18.56.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't feel like changing that in all languages, but well...
18.57.00 #       <amiconn> And I guess only "gigabyte" is in the voice files?
18.57.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, there's a megabyte as well, iirc
18.58.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> VOICE_MEGABYTE
18.59.18 #       <amiconn> I observed a slight quirk with the spelling mode:
18.59.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I'm not sure if the battery was overcharged or drained
18.59.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this is the 2nd time I saw that, also with another box
19.00.25 #       <amiconn> Is the box itself still okay?
19.00.49 #       <yeft> wonder what logan wanted...
19.00.52 #       <yeft> he IMed me...
19.00.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very surprising, it was at least trying to start
19.01.02 #       <yeft> sent him an email...
19.01.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but the PCB looked terribly bent
19.01.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the LCD cover popped off the front
19.02.07 #       <amiconn> I guess there is no warranty left...
19.02.20 #       <amiconn> (voice) There is an entry "point" which is used for number, and so I chose "Komma" for german. However, this is also used for spelling the "." in file names.... which is not correct.
19.03.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "Komma" was no good choice
19.04.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the number speaking doesn't translate well anyway, so I'd rather have the spelling correct
19.04.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> while we're not going for locale
19.04.56 #       <amiconn> Why? It is the correct translation for "point", which is only used for numbers in english. Iirc, for spelling names etc. in english, either "dot" or "period" is used
19.05.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for spelling file names, it would be "Punkt"
19.07.21 #       <amiconn> Yes of course. What I want to say, the "." in filenames and the "." in numbers is also spoken different in english. I'd rather add an additional entry for "." in names
19.08.14 #       <amiconn> (And we need the "Komma" anyway when we're going to add properly localized number speaking)
19.11.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that's true.
19.11.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and I'd like to add the silent space
19.15.25 #       <amiconn> Yeah, I remember that you already wanted to do this
19.17.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> defining the ID is pretty easy, we could even do this within 2.3
19.17.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's up to the voice file then, if there's really a pause
19.18.30 #       <amiconn> yup
19.18.50 #       <amiconn> Silence should be pretty easy to encode
19.20.13 #       <amiconn> But it probably can't be generated by the sapi voice (I doubt it would generate anything if fed with a single space)
19.21.25 #       <amiconn> So I need a little program to generate a silent .wav file in 16 bit mono, with selectable sample frequency and length
19.22.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the frequency perhaps doesn't matter, and you need this only once
19.22.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you have no wav editor?
19.23.15 #       <amiconn> The frequency does matter, because it should fit the rest of the voice file.
19.23.55 #       <amiconn> And, of course I have a .wav editor, but I'd like to have the voice file generation fully automatic.
19.24.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, butthe pause is always the same. your script can just take it.
19.24.58 #       <amiconn> The frequency is not the same for all voice files I generate
19.25.04 #       <amiconn> (Still, I could do the voice files for 2.3 with some manual preprocessing)
19.26.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but the frequency for the pause can be the same for all
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19.27.23 #       <amiconn> I think if you queue clips with different sample frequencies, the mas resynchroniztion will be audible. Probably the start of the next clip will be swallowed
19.27.46 #       <amiconn> I think we should add some flag for voice generation (in addition to the voice: line) to the lang files. This could be used for various hints to the voice generation script:
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19.29.41 #       <amiconn> (1) Flag the "Pause". (2) Indicate whether to use "aggressive" trimming (for numbers/ spelling). (Future, 3) indicate whether this is a code snippet to include instead of a voice clip (for localized numer voicing)
19.30.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the code snippet is the hardest, but we had that topic
19.31.34 #       <amiconn> Yes. There are 2 possible solutions iirc
19.34.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> should I create a pause ID now?
19.35.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (I gave up on the GB, we'd have to localize it)
19.35.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> MB
19.36.09 #       <amiconn> I think you should add the pause (and the "dot" as well)
19.36.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the dot would break compatibility, if we use it already
19.40.34 #       <amiconn> Why should it, if you put it at the end? The only thing that will happen is that the "." is no longer spelled with an old voice file
19.40.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's what I meant
19.41.28 #       <amiconn> For numbers, nothing will change, and I'd prefer to have this in 2.3
19.41.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but for filenames it will
19.44.36 #       <amiconn> You could add a fallback (use the old ID if the new one is not present in the voice file) but I think we can go without it.
19.45.04 #       <amiconn> There are many character ignored anyway for spelling
19.45.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I'm not adding extra code
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19.59.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, space and (yet unused) dot committed
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20.07.33 #       <yeft> i saw a house with the number 127
20.07.44 #       <yeft> i drew .0.0.1 on the sign
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20.25.15 #       <midk> vandalist
20.29.49 #       <yeft> haha i thought it was fuunny...
20.30.42 #       <yeft> ever been to grouphug.us
20.31.05 #       <midk> nope
20.31.13 #       <midk> HAHA
20.31.16 #       <midk> i love it already
20.31.22 #       <yeft> its funny
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20.31.55 #       <yeft> haha ...we weren't worthy
20.35.07 #       <midk> aaaaaaaahahahaha.. nerds
20.35.21 #       <yeft> hahha they're funny
20.35.42 #       <yeft> i was in an irc chat where it was a bot...you could just type .gh and it would give you a random one
20.35.45 #       <yeft> .gh
20.35.50 #       <yeft> doesnt work here
20.35.54 #       <midk> wow, really.
20.36.05 #       <midk> HAHA
20.36.07 #       <yeft> yeah
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20.36.14 #       <yeft> #grouphug
20.36.20 #       <midk> try /join
20.36.21 #       <midk> :p
20.36.22 #       <yeft> ahah forgot /join
20.38.01 #       <midk> HAHAHA.
20.38.02 #       <midk>  i just threw a hp laserjet 7l off my desk at work, it says call service 13 now, so while no one was watching i kicked it as hard as i could now it says. CA%^# #@VIC$ 13. i told my boss must be a bad drum.
20.38.02 #       <midk> hah ha
20.39.31 #       <yeft> ahhaha
20.40.55 #       <midk>   	
20.40.55 #       <midk> When i was 15 i got my brother of 13 drunk and i pretended to be drunk. I did all this just to sleep with him 
20.40.58 #       <midk> what WEIRDOS.
20.43.32 #       <midk> 'I hooked up with one of my sisters friends this weekend and feel like I am the one who was used.'
20.45.53 #       <midk> HAHAHAHAHA.
20.45.54 #       <midk> " My name is becka and i like to eat my toenails"
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23.37.03 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Just found I am silly - the pause can indeed be the same for all frequencies. Why? Because the script calls lame with --resample nn anyway...
23.38.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, in wav. I meant even the mp3 clip
23.38.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> being not worried about sample rate switches
23.39.02 #       <amiconn> I am
23.39.17 #       <amiconn> Anyway, we just have to decide how long the pause should be
23.39.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, then re-generate
23.39.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> have you tried already?
23.40.18 #       <amiconn> Nope. Just looking how to teach the VB script pause awareness (and deciding upon the trimming aggressiveness)
23.40.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think it can be pretty short, maybe 300 ms or so
23.41.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just to break the flow of spelling
23.41.43 #       <amiconn> I'm looking through the voice file to look for clips with are used in a queued manner (numbers, units, letters, month names...)
23.41.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> wanna see pictures of my poor FMR?
23.42.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/bursting_fmr/
23.42.37 #       <amiconn> You said that was already the second time you saw this happen? And the unit was not charging at that time?
23.43.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it was, I forgot it connected for perhaps 2 days
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23.43.34 #       <uski> \_o<
23.44.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the other one was used by a friend, I don't know exacly what happened
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23.47.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> my "favourite" is this one: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/bursting_fmr/pcb.jpg
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23.52.28 #       <amiconn> I wonder what happened... Either the charging circuit broke, is not designed properly, or the cells are of very low quality.
23.54.08 #       <uski> haha
23.54.54 #       <uski> this fmr suffers from abdominal wind...