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00.00.27 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I have to check again whether my lcd init really works. I just found that the lcd controller holds data really long after box powerdown, so it may keep the initialized state as well...
00.00.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like the dram
00.01.22 #       <amiconn> I don't know how long the DRAM holds the data. The lcd controller does it for several *minutes* (> 5)
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00.03.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Linus said the DRAM holds it long enough to be very confusing, a minute or so
00.04.34 #       <amiconn> It's funny: I power down the box. After some minutes, I power on again (the normal way). I can see the display content from before powerdown until the archos loader overwrites it
00.06.31 #       <amiconn> It does not do this when I remove power completely (disconnect from the terminal), but only when powered down by software/ STOP button
00.10.12 #       <amiconn> Ooooops! I broke the sims...
00.10.47 #       <amiconn> ...hmm, it seems that it wasn't me.
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00.11.29 #       <amiconn> Obviously there is something wrong with the build environment on the server
00.11.35 #       <amiconn> Bagder!
00.14.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a new record!
00.14.56 #       <amiconn> It wasn't me. Obviously some X11 includes are not found
00.15.25 #       <amiconn> And it's no new record iirc
00.17.05 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Did you try uart_boot with 38400 baud on the Ondio?
00.17.39 #       <amiconn> lcd init really works, phew
00.17.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Ondio: not yet
00.18.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the bootloader does 14400 now
00.18.34 #       <amiconn> I really suggest 38400 as the default for player alikes, if it works for Ondio too. Even that is rather slow...
00.18.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's what I've been using most of the time
00.19.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> real uart_boot was only once
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00.19.19 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: 14400 is also not compatible with gdb.
00.19.24 #       <LinusN> i have installed the missing x11 stuff
00.19.44 #       <amiconn> Ah, nice. Did you try building again?
00.19.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hi! why missing?
00.20.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> server disk?
00.20.17 #       <LinusN> because we forgot to install them after the server disk change
00.20.29 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There is another problem, probably wrong rights:
00.20.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I suspected
00.20.30 #       <LinusN> it's a total reinstall
00.20.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> urgh
00.20.54 #       <LinusN> the old system was redhat 7, now it's debian unstable
00.21.39 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I created a new wiki page, which I could save and re-edit fine. However, I tried editing DocsIndex. That doesn't work! I don't get an error while saving, but the changed content doesn't show up
00.22.06 #       <LinusN> ok
00.22.43 #       <LinusN> it's locked by you
00.22.51 #       <amiconn> Huh?
00.23.00 #       * amiconn tries to unlock
00.23.06 #       <LinusN> the lock stays for 30 minutes
00.23.39 #       <amiconn> Should be unlocked now (if that worked)
00.25.20 #       <LinusN> hmm, i can edit it
00.26.05 #       <amiconn> Strange. I wanted to change the link for CPU port pin assignments - it didn't work
00.26.46 #       * amiconn did his job and moved this to the wiki
00.28.12 #       <LinusN> saw that. impressive
00.29.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which one are you talking about? Jens did so many impressive things.
00.30.03 #       <amiconn> Actually, this was just a couple of minutes. Copy & paste into editor and do some replace magic. Some additional hand brush-up.
00.30.43 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I converted the CPU port pin table into a wiki page
00.30.53 #       <amiconn> (Ondio not yet added)
00.31.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, now it appears to me, that wasn't wiki before
00.31.52 #       * amiconn tries to edit DocsIndex again
00.32.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> please link the wiki flash page, while you're there
00.32.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it currenly points an old web page
00.32.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> points to
00.33.06 #       <LinusN> which one?
00.33.16 #       * [IDC]Dragon checks
00.33.44 #       <amiconn> LinusN: This time it worked, strange.
00.33.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oh, no, the front links seem ok
00.34.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> somebody must have had a deep link
00.36.31 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Any chance to do an uart boot test on the old player soon? The code is already there (not yet committed because of that)
00.37.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how about a warm boot test first?
00.38.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if that doesn't disturb, you can commit it
00.38.35 #       <LinusN> exactly
00.39.23 #       <amiconn> I want to know whether to commit the simplified, rockbox-like version or the archos look-alike for the old lcd.
00.39.48 #       <LinusN> send me the patch
00.44.21 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Sent. There is an #if 1 ... #else ... #endif part that selects between archos look-alike code and simplified code for the old lcd.
00.47.19 #       <amiconn> Iirc, the ATA power on patch is not needed for the old player
00.47.29 #       <LinusN> true
00.56.21 #       <LinusN> the #if 1 version works fine
00.56.50 #       <LinusN> that's the bulky archos code, right?
00.57.02 #       <amiconn> yes.
00.57.17 #       <amiconn> (as the comment beneath says)
00.58.32 #       <LinusN> the rockbox version works fine as well
00.59.43 #       <amiconn> Well, at least it "works fine" in the sense of not disturbing, leaving the question whether it actually does its work on cold boot.
00.59.57 #       <LinusN> that's another story :-)
01.00.54 #       <amiconn> At least this allows me to commit the stuff (and I'll switch it over before, having the rockbox version in #if 1)
01.02.32 #       <LinusN> good
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07.53.47 #       <amiconn> Good morning
07.54.08 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Two more problems with the weibsite :(
07.54.39 #       <amiconn> (1) When I try to update the wiki web statistics, it says that it did so. But the values don't change
07.54.53 #       <amiconn> (2) The windows installer is not built
07.58.55 #       <LinusN> windows installer...
08.01.04 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i guess there are no UCL files in the daily builds either?
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08.02.37 #       <amiconn> Indeed....
08.04.30 #       <LinusN> the special rombox ucl packer is not installed here
08.06.11 #       <amiconn> But it was there before the server update ?!?  And even if it is not, there should be rockbox.ucl at least...
08.08.17 #       <LinusN> in fact, there is no ucl packer at all
08.08.35 #       <LinusN> remember, we made a complete reinstall of the system disk
08.09.18 #       <LinusN> so, do you know where i can find the rombox version of the ucl packer source?
08.09.27 #       <amiconn> Ahem , wiki?
08.10.22 #       <amiconn> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox#Build_your_own
08.11.55 #       <LinusN> nice
08.18.55 #       <LinusN> rebuilding the daily builds...
08.19.39 #       <amiconn> (gotta run)
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10.26.41 #       <Bagder> grrr
10.26.54 #       <Bagder> Zagor: crappy cvs warnings appear, no commit mails are sent
10.26.55 #       * kurzhaarrocker gives Bagder a bone
10.27.20 #       <Zagor> checking
10.28.05 #       <Bagder> I'm seeing this on the curl repo
10.29.19 #       <Bagder> there's a path prob in 'syncmail'
10.29.24 #       <Zagor> aha
10.29.28 #       <Bagder> but when fixed, I get segfaults instead
10.30.04 #       <Zagor> there's a packaged syncmail, maybe we should try that instead
10.30.20 #       <Bagder> aha, we should probably try that
10.30.31 #       <Bagder> the cvs warning appears when you commit
10.30.43 #       <Zagor> ok
10.30.43 #       <Bagder> "warning:  Set to use deprecated info format strings." (blablabla)
10.31.50 #       <Zagor> try using /usr/bin/syncmail instead
10.32.16 #       <Zagor> i'll fix for rockbox
10.33.05 #       * LinusN had to install X and reconfigure wine to make the installer build work
10.33.36 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.34.44 #       <Zagor> Bagder: remember to remove -U from loginfo
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10.35.10 #       <Bagder> ah
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10.41.17 #       <Zagor> works now
10.41.55 #       <Zagor> but it doesn't say who changed it. hmm...
10.42.00 #       <Bagder> but no user
10.42.26 #       <Bagder> Zagor: did you get the warning?
10.42.37 #       <Zagor> yes, until i changed CVSROOT/config
10.46.07 #       <Bagder> that last one got really messed up
10.46.11 #       <Zagor> yeah...
10.46.21 #       <Bagder> did you fix the %-usage?
10.46.37 #       <Bagder> %1{sVv}
10.46.46 #       <Zagor> ah, no
10.47.39 #       <Bagder> we can use -S
10.47.44 #       <Bagder> "Provide  a string that is pre-pended to the subject"
10.47.53 #       <Bagder> -S "$USER"
10.48.06 #       <Zagor> good catch
10.52.01 #       <Bagder> yes, -S is goodness
10.52.13 #       <Bagder> "-S$USER: "
10.54.58 #       <Zagor> now I get the '1' warning...
10.55.12 #       <Bagder> yes
10.55.26 #       <Bagder> I believe the 1 should not be there when the new format is used
10.55.38 #       <Bagder> it is not entirely clear to me 
10.58.19 #       <Zagor> http://computing.ee.ethz.ch/sepp/cvs-1.12.7-ds/cvs/cvs_103.html#SEC166
10.58.27 #       <Zagor> gives some clues, but not all...
10.59.44 #       <Bagder> so I guess the 1 goes
11.00.02 #       <Zagor> then you get the version mail error
11.00.23 #       <Zagor> we can't get rid of warnings until we use the new format
11.00.36 #       <Zagor> ...which is non-obvious
11.01.00 #       <Bagder> well, I use the new format in curl now and I get a warning, which I believe is because I use the 1
11.01.22 #       <Zagor> i mean the new % argument format
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11.04.17 #       <Bagder> possibly the %{sVv} could be within quotes
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15.50.26 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There's still no current windows installer on the daily builds page, and the wiki statistics page does also not update.
15.52.17 #       <LinusN> ah, forgot to copy the installer exe to the download dir
15.52.21 #       <LinusN> fixed now
15.52.38 #       <LinusN> haven't had time to look at the stats
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15.54.54 #       <Zagor> i'll look at the stats
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16.03.01 #       <Zagor> aha, the log file had wrong owner. fixed now.
16.09.37 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Do you know how old that broken server hard disk was?
16.10.04 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure, but I think it was from the 90s
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16.13.25 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Hm. Warranty will be over then.
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16.15.43 #       <Zagor> heh, yeah
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22.38.21 #       <Digital007> hi
22.39.13 #       <Bagder> hi
22.40.50 #       <Digital007> hi Bagder
22.41.14 #       <Digital007> If the iriver is software driven, how much RAM is needed for the firmmware code?
22.41.32 #       <Bagder> no one knows
22.41.37 #       <midk> depends on the size of the firmware, no?
22.41.52 #       <Digital007> i know the specs show 32mb ram, but i wonder how much of that is taken for the FW code
22.42.09 #       <Bagder> code, fonts, pictures, texts, bla bla
22.42.10 #       <midk> a set amount, likely 16mb
22.42.22 #       <Digital007> possibly
22.42.33 #       <Digital007> and probably a huge amount is needed for ogg playback
22.43.27 #       <Digital007> shame the iriver doesn't play DRM WMA files
22.44.35 #       <Bagder> rockbox is not the iriver fw anyway
22.45.11 #       <Digital007> what do u mean bagder?
22.46.16 #       <Bagder> what iriver plays is not very interesting, we need to add support for all formats we want to play
22.46.37 #       <Digital007> i'd love to see AAC, MP3Pro and ATRAC3
22.46.47 #       <Digital007> AIFF would be good as well
22.46.52 #       <Stryke`> proprietary, no?
22.47.08 #       <Stryke`> MP3Pro and ATRAC3
22.48.01 #       <Digital007> MP3Pro is a high-quality codec
22.48.05 #       <Digital007> better than WMA
22.49.28 #       <Stryke`> I think the decoder needs to be purchased
22.49.36 #       <Stryke`> and that doesn't come cheap
22.50.39 #       <Digital007> Stryke the iriver's decoding algorithms are software, not hardware
22.51.01 #       <Stryke`> MP3Pro is hardly high-quality, its just low bitrate MP3 with SBR
22.51.12 #       <Bagder> software can be purchased too
22.53.24 #       <Digital007> well im sure someone could programme, say an ATRAC3 decoder on rockbox
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23.37.02 #       <Digital007> Suipport for Monkeys Audio would be good
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23.45.07 #       <Digital007> hi linus
23.45.16 #       <LinusN> yo
23.46.00 #       <Digital007> we need random on the iriver soon
23.46.17 #       <LinusN> you mean you need rockbox?
23.46.30 #       <Digital007> yea
23.47.28 #       <Digital007> why, why, why does the iriver play songs in the same order when set to shuffle
23.47.49 #       <LinusN> probably because they use the same seed every time
23.48.01 #       <LinusN> just a guess
23.48.39 #       <Digital007> i work around it by making playlists and manually shuffling them in WinAmp
23.48.53 #       <LinusN> that sucks
23.49.36 #       <Digital007> better than nothing
23.49.55 #       <LinusN> i mean it sucks to be forced to do it like that
23.50.04 #       <Digital007> hopefully rockbox will have the same good shuffling as the archos rockbox
23.50.49 #       <LinusN> it will have the exact same
23.51.12 #       <LinusN> no need to do it differently on the iriver
23.51.47 #       <Digital007> yea but the iriver control layout is totally different
23.51.53 #       <Digital007> will it have the plugins?
23.51.59 #       <LinusN> the buttons you mean?
23.52.27 #       <LinusN> it will have everything that the archos models have, if the hardware permits it
23.52.31 #       <Digital007> ok
23.52.35 #       <Digital007> timestretch would be good
23.52.35 #       <Digital007> :)
23.52.43 #       <LinusN> would be cool indeed
23.52.47 #       <LinusN> and very possible
23.52.52 #       <Digital007> :)
23.53.01 #       <Digital007> when u think the first release will be?
23.53.23 #       <LinusN> when it's ready
23.53.32 #       <LinusN> not this year
23.53.34 #       <Digital007> ok
23.53.35 #       <Digital007> :(
23.53.47 #       <Digital007> gotta keep bagdering iriver for decent f/w
23.53.59 #       <LinusN> don't hold your breath
23.54.05 #       <Digital007> lol
23.54.09 #       <Digital007> The HW is good though
23.54.14 #       <LinusN> yup
23.54.18 #       <Digital007> i like the screen, remote and feel of the device
23.54.30 #       <LinusN> i don't like the joystick
23.54.33 #       <LinusN> slippery
23.54.54 #       <Digital007> ok for me
23.55.14 #       <Digital007> On the iriver f/w the volume also alters the line-out as well as the headphone out
23.55.26 #       <Digital007> i thought the line-out is at a fixed level
23.56.00 #       <LinusN> is there a line-out?
23.56.23 #       <LinusN> i only see s/pdif in/out and headphone
23.56.39 #       <Digital007> there is a line out
23.56.43 #       <Digital007> its on the spdif out
23.56.46 #       <Digital007> shared socket
23.56.53 #       <LinusN> aha
23.57.11 #       <Digital007> likewise the spdif in/line in is on a shared port
23.57.21 #       <LinusN> silly me, of course
23.57.30 #       <Digital007> yep, silly you
23.57.30 #       <Digital007> :)