--- Log for 25.11.104 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 days and 2 hours ago 00.09.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.25.28 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@24-168-110-99.si.rr.com) 00.28.14 Quit AciD` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.32.06 Quit amiconn (" gotta reboot") 00.32.12 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.38.10 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1052.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.49.46 # amiconn: hi 00.50.06 # hi matsl 00.51.04 # i think i have set disk HD powerdown to on and the unit still playes. how do i now for sure? 00.51.25 # s/now/know 00.52.03 # Hmm. It's a bit difficult to check this without powering the unit from a psu an having an amp meter... 00.52.37 # You can copare the spinup times. With HD powerdown enabled it should be roughly 1 second more 00.52.57 # ok. sounds tricky. 00.54.57 # i guess then we'll have to settle with that i have enabled HD powerdown and i can still play. 00.56.55 # The spinup time comparison is not very tricky. After playing music for some time, just go to Info->Debug->View disk info, and check the spinup time value. I get around 3 sec with powerdown, around 2 sec without. 00.57.41 # ok. 00.58.30 # Btw: What harddsik model do you have? 00.58.35 # *harddisk 01.00.14 # don't know. it's an studio 20 but I haven't looked inside. 01.01.08 # Same menu item as for the spinup time... 01.01.17 # ah. debug info says it's an hitachi dk23ca-20. 01.02.40 # at the moment i have spin up time 3230 ms (the HD powerdown enabled version.) 01.04.33 # Sounds like it's really enabled, and you don't get into trouble. Nice :) 01.05.53 # well i have only tested it a few minutes but it does play and spin up and down so it's better than linus got. 01.08.05 # I tested it for more than 20 hours on my box, continuously playing music. No problems at all. I wonder what causes the problem on Linus' player... 01.09.15 # I would really like to get this sorted, because this is a true power saving option. I expect ~20% longer runtime (not yet measured, just an estimation based on the power consumption difference) 01.13.26 # ok. i can try to use my unit a bit harder if that would be of any help. 01.14.08 # finding out why linus doesn't work is probably much more valuable though. 01.15.17 # yup. 01.16.29 # ok. i'm off to bed now. maybe i'll try the installer too one day or another. soon can be a very long time ;-) 01.16.43 # cu 01.18.00 # nite 01.18.04 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 01.36.38 Quit edx () 01.51.59 Join yeft [0] (~Leboff@pcp08615553pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) 01.53.16 Nick yeft is now known as leboff (~Leboff@pcp08615553pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net) 01.54.18 Part amiconn 01.55.05 # !seen midk 02.09.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.33.02 Quit Stryke` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.07.11 Quit leboff ("Leaving") 03.38.34 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 03.39.05 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.39.09 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 03.40.00 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit@m117.net81-65-8.noos.fr) 03.40.01 Quit gromit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.43.40 Join _aLF [0] (Alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 03.44.37 Quit Alexandre (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.00.26 Quit midk (Remote closed the connection) 04.02.25 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.09.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.18.39 Quit gromit` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.27.03 Join gromit [0] (~gromit@m117.net81-65-8.noos.fr) 04.45.49 Quit _aLF (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.45.49 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.45.49 Quit einhirn (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.45.49 Quit izzy (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.45.49 Quit Bagder (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.45.50 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.45.50 NJoin izzy [0] (laitinei@huippu.net) 04.45.59 NJoin _aLF [0] (Alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 04.46.00 NJoin Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 04.51.22 Quit midk ("just STOP it arspy") 05.51.38 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 05.51.44 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.09.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.15.27 Join Snerf [0] (icechat5@d207-216-56-9.bchsia.telus.net) 06.17.52 Part Snerf 06.33.25 Quit xen` (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.33.25 Quit webmind (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit Bagder (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit izzy (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit _aLF (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit Ka_ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit Hadaka (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit void_ (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.33.25 Quit Seed (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.40.48 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.40.48 NJoin webmind [0] (~random@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 06.40.48 NJoin xen` [0] (~xen@planoise-2-82-227-196-9.fbx.proxad.net) 06.40.48 NJoin izzy [0] (laitinei@huippu.net) 06.41.24 NJoin Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 06.41.53 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) 06.41.53 NJoin void_ [0] (~void@ool-18b87f55.dyn.optonline.net) 06.41.53 NJoin Seed [0] (~ben@192.114.41.140) 06.42.27 NJoin _aLF [0] (Alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 06.42.27 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 06.58.38 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.03.35 # I greet thee! Tamer of wigglers, master of pcbs \o/ :) 07.05.28 # and i greet thee, obvious smoker of pot 07.06.08 # :-( 07.06.10 # :-) 07.09.02 # Ah! I see Jens fixed one a bug which has bugged me for quite a while! 07.17.06 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 07.20.14 # the back-from-charging-screen bug? 07.20.51 # yea 07.21.16 # have you tried it? 07.21.40 # my unit is at home... I'll test it tonight 07.38.09 # seems to be fixed, just tried it 07.38.52 # neat! 07.39.22 # can you promise me something? don't make the iriver port run before I get a unit, okay? :) 07.40.08 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit@m117.net81-65-8.noos.fr) 07.40.09 Quit gromit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.40.16 # dwihno: hurry 07.40.37 # LinusN: don't tell me you're close... :( 07.40.47 # :-) 07.41.10 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 07.41.11 # nah 07.41.12 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.41.19 # *phew* 07.42.11 # don't scare me like that :) 07.45.56 Join oxygen77 [0] (~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net) 07.46.24 Part oxygen77 ("Cho") 07.58.54 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 08.09.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.16.25 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 08.17.51 # morning Zagor 08.17.58 # hi 08.18.04 # hi Zagor, LinusN, dwihno 08.18.40 # hi 08.18.47 # hej 08.30.12 Quit midk ("just STOP it arspy") 08.32.18 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 08.39.42 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.44.27 # "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan 08.44.55 # that's a nugget 08.50.34 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1340.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.51.25 # Morning all 08.51.37 # howdy 08.53.38 # amiconn: hi 08.53.40 # LinusN: YOu answer in the forum is funny... cyberguy3k is talking Ondio there 08.53.45 # *Your 08.54.12 # amiconn: enlighten me 08.54.33 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=184.0 08.54.54 # hahahaha 08.55.16 # linus has the new top secred 20GB mmc card :) 08.55.16 Quit scott666_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.55.52 # I still not got around writing dynamic sizinh for the free/total space display :( 08.55.59 # *sizing 08.56.03 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 08.56.07 Part scott666_ 08.57.52 # amiconn: look in misc.c 08.58.18 # num2max5 08.58.30 # maybe we could extend that 08.59.37 # * LinusN is looking for equivalents to IRF7416 09.00.40 # LinusN: Something like that, yes. It also has to do that for voicing... 09.00.41 # irf7416 is $9 at Farnell 09.01.22 # looks like FDS4435 is a good candidate 09.02.57 # dwihno: You use archos charging by default? I always use rockbox charging, never had problems with it... 09.04.30 # amiconn: When I connect the unit to a PC for a longer time, rockbox will eventually run out of battery 09.04.50 # so I use archos' charging. 09.05.13 # dwihno: you use the archos USB mode? 09.05.16 # If I do that, I always connect the charger. All PCs I found so far spin down the disk when not in use 09.05.40 # (but then I have an USB2 model, no need to spin the disk for extended times... 09.09.28 # LinusN: yes. 09.13.13 # hmm, don't we have charging always enabled in usb mode? 09.13.34 # dunno 09.13.41 # zagor: i don't think so 09.13.44 # ask someone who knows the source ;D 09.14.30 # i remember we discussed that some time ago, anyway 09.14.41 # yeah, but we never did it 09.15.06 # in fact, we don't need to charge always if the disk isn't spinning 09.15.28 # dwihno: how long is "a longer time"? 09.15.49 # true, but 1) we don't know if the disk is spinning and 2) for most people the disk *is* spinning in usb mode 09.15.57 # LinusN: several hours 09.16.06 # 2) can be remedied 09.16.28 # how? the host computer controls the disk, including spindown 09.16.37 # not necessarily 09.16.52 # ??? 09.16.57 # unless the host changes the APM mode 09.17.13 # of course, but the point is we don't know if they do 09.17.41 # but we should set it correctly before leaving the disk to the isd 09.17.52 # but the bigger issue is I doubt people generally leave their disks connected while idle. i think most people only have it connected while copying 09.18.11 # that's the sane way of doing git 09.18.18 # s/git/it/ 09.20.29 Join Quel|away [0] (~kvirc@80.103.132.192) 09.20.40 # good morning to all 09.20.50 # hey quel 09.21.12 # and good night to u midk ;) 09.21.55 # night night :) 09.23.56 # the ISD300 has a config setting for the APM mode in the I2C eprom 09.24.08 # i wonder what it is set to... 09.28.11 # My guess would be 3.14 09.28.14 # Nah ;) 09.29.53 # * LinusN is thinking about modding his recorder to access the isd300 eeprom 10.09.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.10.06 # LinusN: Please think about modding your player(s) to uart-boot and/ or flashable rom as well... The missing tests for oldplayer are the only reason for me to hold back the player flash package 10.22.01 # aaaa, damn! 10.22.21 # * LinusN suddenly remembers that the UART port is broken on his newplayer 10.22.44 # in the cpu 10.26.22 # * Quel|away gives a hammer to LinusN 10.26.24 # ;) 10.26.32 # LinusN: Newplayer won't be the problem here... I need oldplayer tests... However, soldering a ROM in your newplayer and flashing it should be possible (you'd have to preflash it with either the archos rom content or the rockbox image 10.26.39 # ) 10.32.31 # silly me 10.32.49 # my oldplayer still works 11.07.11 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-55.VIC.netspace.net.au) 11.15.44 Quit Quel|away (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.16.41 # crazy, crazy hardware modders ;\ 11.20.22 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.33.43 Join Patr3ck [0] (~Patr3ck@pD9ECF438.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.37.34 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 12.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.07.13 # LinusN: r u there? 13.17.29 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 13.19.25 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.24.37 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.24 # amiconn: here now 13.25.37 Quit Headie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.35.58 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 13.37.40 # LinusN: Small addition to your FAQ rework: Imho rockbox 2.3 is *not* the recommended version for Ondio, for at least 2 reasons. 13.37.48 Join Headie [0] (~Headie@h103n2fls32o873.telia.com) 13.38.37 # (1) The flash-wearing and irritation write bug 13.39.12 # (2) Ondios with the alternative clock circuitry (mask bit 2 == 0) are not yet supported in 2.3 13.43.32 # amiconn: it's in cvs, you can change it 13.44.04 # Okay, will do so. 13.44.05 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.44.22 # great 13.46.28 # Could someone else who has an archos remote pls check if it still works with current cvs? 13.46.45 # I tried yesterday, and it didn't work for me both on the player and the v1. However, it worked shortly before the 2.3 release... 13.47.07 # I don't have mine with me 14.00.29 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 14.00.54 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 14.09.13 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.09.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.10.13 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 14.22.06 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.17 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 14.55.27 Part LinusN 15.52.43 Join Lynx_ [0] (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 15.53.00 # Howdy! 15.54.11 # Is the mailing list down? 15.55.16 # not that I know 15.56.13 # hmm, last one i got is from 22nd, and i didn't change anything... 16.09.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.15.26 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x535c9fa4.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 17.23.58 Quit Headie (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.56.24 Join Headie [0] (~Headie@h103n2fls32o873.telia.com) 18.01.01 Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) 18.02.49 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.14 Quit Patr3ck (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 18.09.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.19.31 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 18.19.43 Join Seed [0] (ben@192.114.41.140) 18.30.31 Quit xen` () 18.40.04 Quit Lynx_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- :P") 18.41.06 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.56.46 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 19.20.47 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 19.40.42 Quit midk ("Leaving") 19.51.45 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.52.27 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 20.08.50 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) 20.09.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.02.24 Part scott666_ 22.08.59 Join Hoho [0] (~Headie@h103n2fls32o873.telia.com) 22.09.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.13.43 Quit Headie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.57.22 Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.59.16 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 23.12.17 Join bobbyt [0] (bobbyt@124.Red-83-39-195.pooles.rima-tde.net) 23.13.00 Part bobbyt 23.14.43 Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user)