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00.11.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'night!
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01.38.44 #       <rockboxuserwanna> i just unziped the latest rockbox to my root and when i try to startup my archos it gives me and error: i09: CPUAdrEr at E4005423
01.38.49 #       <rockboxuserwanna> any suggestions?
01.39.31 #       <rockboxuserwanna> please
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02.14.41 #       <sockerteze> anybody home?
02.14.50 #       <Digital007> hi
02.14.58 #       <sockerteze> oh cool
02.16.30 #       <sockerteze> so what do you guys talk about
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02.18.12 #       <sockerteze> im thinking of buying a rio karma. . .any thoughts?
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11.00.51 #       <amiconn> hi all
11.01.01 #       <Bagder> hi Jens
11.01.06 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hi Jens
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11.03.51 #       <Zagor> whee, i got my new car.
11.04.18 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Did you receive my email with the player ata power test?
11.04.19 #       * kurzhaarrocker fears that Zagor might rewrite the firmware of his car
11.04.22 #       <Bagder> Zagor: woooo
11.05.00 #       <Zagor> kurzhaarrocker: actually I've been thinking about some type of remote control hack so I can skip next/prev on the archos using the buttons in the steering wheel
11.05.33 #       <Zagor> many people have hacked the bwm stereo so it shouldn't be too difficult
11.05.35 #       <kurzhaarrocker> don't mix those buttons with the air bag trigger!
11.05.49 #       <Zagor> :)
11.06.40 #       <kurzhaarrocker> does the cockpit have some lcd? ;)
11.06.58 #       <Zagor> two... :)
11.07.58 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Who needs speed info when he can have a plasma demo!
11.08.55 #       <Bagder> interlace it
11.09.03 #       <Bagder> one frame speed, one frame plasma
11.09.06 #       <Bagder> :-)
11.09.32 #       <Bagder> it'll be a joy to go with Zagor's car
11.09.40 #       <kurzhaarrocker> yes, plasma on speed might be a completly new effect.
11.10.29 #       * kurzhaarrocker tries scanf for the first time in his life
11.10.30 #       <Bagder> "no sir, I don't know at what speed I was driving, I can only see plasma"
11.11.15 #       <Bagder> use sscanf() instead
11.11.56 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It's worse: It's Windows CE and I must use _ftscanf
11.12.03 #       <Bagder> oh
11.13.04 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is a format string like "number=%d" supposed to extract a number from a string like "number=4"?
11.13.11 #       <Bagder> yes
11.13.38 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Should it work on a string like "number=4 dummystuff" too?
11.13.44 #       <Bagder> yes
11.14.24 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hmpf. 
11.17.24 #       <Bagder> but windows CE has a sscanf() too, right?
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11.18.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> With windows CE there's the problem that it has unicode characters. Thus there are these _ftscanf  macros that should wrap sscanf /swscanf depending on the context.
11.18.54 #       <Bagder> aha
11.19.23 #       <kurzhaarrocker> sscanf itself doesn't work as windows ce doesn't support ascii at all.
11.19.59 #       <Bagder> I use it a lot in libcurl, and people have used libcurl fine on win ce...
11.20.21 #       <kurzhaarrocker> interesting.
11.20.22 #       <Bagder> but I don't know what magic they applied to make that happen
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11.21.18 #       <quelsaruk> morning
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13.05.51 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi
13.06.32 #       <Ralle[DK]> hey
13.07.28 #       <Ralle[DK]> .help
13.07.30 #       <Ralle[DK]> -help
13.07.33 #       <Ralle[DK]> .jass
13.07.42 #       <quelsaruk> ¿?
13.07.50 #       <Ralle[DK]> nothing
13.07.51 #       <Ralle[DK]> hehe
13.07.56 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.07.57 #       <Ralle[DK]> do you have a rockbox?
13.08.11 #       <Ralle[DK]> jukebox flashed with RB
13.08.12 #       <quelsaruk> i have an archos recorder and user rockbox.. yes :)
13.08.22 #       <Ralle[DK]> hmm
13.08.27 #       <Ralle[DK]> have you tried ROMbox?
13.08.33 #       <quelsaruk> yes
13.08.43 #       <Ralle[DK]> then you cant boot up on old system can you?
13.08.55 #       <quelsaruk> you can also boot old system
13.09.01 #       <Ralle[DK]> with rombox?
13.09.03 #       <Ralle[DK]> I cant
13.09.18 #       <Ralle[DK]> F1 + ON
13.09.23 #       <quelsaruk> yeah
13.09.36 #       <quelsaruk> using that combo you should be able to boot with archos
13.10.09 #       <Ralle[DK]> ill try again
13.10.22 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.10.48 #       <Ralle[DK]> I cant
13.11.48 #       <Ralle[DK]> i just flashed Rockbox and now i can
13.12.28 #       <Ralle[DK]> it works fine now
13.15.10 #       <quelsaruk> ok
13.15.19 #       <Ralle[DK]> have I just found a bug?
13.15.39 #       <quelsaruk> you had rockbox flashed before??
13.15.44 #       <Ralle[DK]> Rombox
13.15.51 #       <Ralle[DK]> had romboz
13.15.55 #       <Ralle[DK]> rombox*
13.15.57 #       <Ralle[DK]> have rock now
13.16.16 #       <quelsaruk> afaik rombox is a way to say rockbox flashed on rom...
13.16.18 #       <kurzhaarrocker> is romboz the warez version of rockbox?
13.16.28 #       <Ralle[DK]> wha?
13.16.40 #       <kurzhaarrocker> <- just kidding
13.16.48 #       <Ralle[DK]> nono rockbox is also flashed on rom..
13.16.53 #       <Ralle[DK]> if you want to flash it
13.17.09 #       <quelsaruk> kurzhaarrocker: romboz in spain is a way to say 
13.17.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I flashed mine too, but with rombox
13.17.20 #       <quelsaruk> "adult film"
13.17.42 #       <kurzhaarrocker> hrgh.
13.17.42 #       * kurzhaarrocker washes his mouth with soap.</BODY></HTML>
13.17.52 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
13.18.01 #       <Ralle[DK]> you program html?
13.18.03 #       <Ralle[DK]> ^^
13.18.12 #       <quelsaruk> stupid word asociation
13.18.35 #       <quelsaruk> (mine)
13.18.40 #       <kurzhaarrocker> not now, that is just a bug in my irc client, Ralle[DK]
13.18.47 #       <Ralle[DK]> k
13.19.19 #       <quelsaruk> Ralle[DK]: i still don't understando you.. you had rockbox flashed before? i mean.. when you could not use F1+ON combo?
13.19.59 #       <Ralle[DK]> I had Rombox... I couldnt start with F1+ON.... then i ROLO ajbrec and flashed Rockbox.. Now I can start with F1+ON
13.20.01 #       <quelsaruk> or just using the "rombox" package but without flashing the rom?
13.20.10 #       <quelsaruk> then that's not a bug
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13.20.22 #       <Ralle[DK]> ai?
13.20.30 #       <quelsaruk> F1+ON is a combo when you have rockbox flashed
13.20.48 #       <Ralle[DK]> how do you start F1+ON with Rombox then?
13.21.08 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm
13.21.30 #       <quelsaruk> if you don't have rockbox flashed, just delete your .ajz file from the harddisk..
13.21.46 #       <quelsaruk> so you can run archos firmware (or rolo an archos firmware)
13.21.53 #       <Ralle[DK]> IT WAS FLASHED WITH ROMBOX
13.22.00 #       <Ralle[DK]> AND I COULDNT START ON OLD
13.22.10 #       <quelsaruk> don't shout, please
13.22.12 #       <Ralle[DK]> then i found ajbrec in my rockbox directory.
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13.22.19 #       <Ralle[DK]> and rolo'ed it
13.22.21 #       <Ralle[DK]> sorry..
13.22.48 #       <kurzhaarrocker> If you still have an ajbrec in your root directory the archos firmware will boot it on f1 + on.
13.22.49 #       <quelsaruk> you said that once you flashed rockbox now you are able to use the F1+ON combo.. isn't it?
13.29.51 #       <Ralle[DK]> I never have ajbrec in root
13.29.57 #       <Ralle[DK]> yse
13.30.00 #       <Ralle[DK]> yes*
13.35.23 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm
13.36.11 #       <quelsaruk> maybe this may seem a stupid question to you.. but.. can you tell me what did you do to install "rombox" (when F1+ON combo was not working)
13.37.04 #       <Ralle[DK]> I turned on Archos..
13.37.11 #       <Ralle[DK]> went into .rockbox folder
13.37.20 #       <Ralle[DK]> found the ajbrec
13.37.23 #       <Ralle[DK]> Roloed it
13.37.30 #       <Ralle[DK]> and then I could flash Rockbox
13.37.59 #       <quelsaruk> but did you flash rockbox? or just tried "F1+ON" combo?
13.39.28 #       <Ralle[DK]> the first thing I did today was holding F1 Down and pressing On
13.39.33 #       <Ralle[DK]> it started in rockbox
13.39.37 #       <Ralle[DK]> tried again a few times
13.39.41 #       <Ralle[DK]> started in rockbox
13.39.43 #       <Ralle[DK]> or rombox
13.39.47 #       <Ralle[DK]> you cant see the difference
13.39.56 #       <Ralle[DK]> but i know that it was flashed with rombox
13.40.13 #       <Ralle[DK]> then i went into rockbox folder and roloed ajbrec.
13.40.22 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm
13.40.24 #       <Ralle[DK]> and flashed with rockbox
13.40.26 #       <Ralle[DK]> now it works
13.41.34 #       <quelsaruk> maybe i'm confused (i'm used to...) but... Rombox is just a name to say "Rockbox flashed on archos ROM"... as far as i know...
13.42.09 #       <quelsaruk> maybe you downloaded the package called "Rombox" which is used to flash Rockbox..
13.42.19 #       <Ralle[DK]> i didnt
13.42.19 #       <kurzhaarrocker> No there's a difference: Rockbox in rom is copied to ram on initial boot, rombox is executed in rom
13.42.41 #       <Ralle[DK]> when i DL the Rockbox package there is both of them
13.43.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> There should be no difference concerning the boot strategy wether you flash rombox or rockbox since the boot loader is the same.
13.44.08 #       <Ralle[DK]> but why couldnt I start with old software?
13.44.17 #       * kurzhaarrocker shrugs
13.44.26 #       <quelsaruk> then i was confused...
13.44.38 #       <Ralle[DK]> should I send you my firmware?
13.45.35 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I can't detect anything from your firmware image :8
13.45.43 #       <Ralle[DK]> ok
13.46.03 #       <Ralle[DK]> buy you could test it..
13.46.19 #       <Ralle[DK]> but*
13.46.47 #       <kurzhaarrocker> The most likely explanations is that there was some kind of ajbrec in your root directory which was found by the archos firmware. If it wasn't that I have no idea. [IDC]Dragon would be the person to ask.
13.47.37 #       <Ralle[DK]> but there is no ajbrec..
13.47.53 #       <Ralle[DK]> and I didnt see any OLDARchosStart
13.48.00 #       <Ralle[DK]> it started with rockbox picture
13.48.25 #       <Ralle[DK]> and there was no start process line
13.49.16 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Yes, you're right. If it were booted by the old archos firmware that screen would have shown up.
13.50.30 #       <Ralle[DK]> yep
13.50.38 #       <Ralle[DK]> should I try again?
13.50.46 #       <Ralle[DK]> flash rombox
13.50.50 #       <Ralle[DK]> brb
13.51.13 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I have rombox flashed and no probs with booting the archos firmware with F1 + on.
13.51.46 #       <Ralle[DK]> it works now
13.51.47 #       <Ralle[DK]> strange
13.51.53 #       <Ralle[DK]> before it didnt
13.52.07 #       <Ralle[DK]> what is best to wear? rombox or rockbox?
13.52.40 #       <kurzhaarrocker> rombox saves a few kb of ram that can be used for buffering mp3 data -> fewer disk spin ups -> longer battery life
13.53.00 #       <Ralle[DK]> then rombox's best
13.53.17 #       <Ralle[DK]> why make rockbox then?
13.53.29 #       <Ralle[DK]> just remove rockbox and rename rombox to rockbo
13.53.38 #       <Ralle[DK]> rockbox
13.53.41 #       <Ralle[DK]> **
13.53.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> It was there first and on some devices (fm) there's not enough rom to have rockbox uncompressed in the rom
13.54.03 #       <Ralle[DK]> ok
13.54.11 #       <Ralle[DK]> but i have to go now
13.54.16 #       <kurzhaarrocker> have fun
13.54.17 #       <Ralle[DK]> bus comes soon
13.54.19 #       <Ralle[DK]> thanks
13.54.20 #       <Ralle[DK]> you too
13.54.24 #       <Ralle[DK]> thanks for the talk :)
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14.06.07 #       <quelsaruk> re Zagor
14.07.28 #       <Zagor> hi
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14.33.32 #       <Lynx_> umm, rombox is not usable on recorders that are not flashable due to hardware, is it?
14.33.50 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Lynx_: right
14.34.01 #       <Lynx_> ok
14.34.06 #       <kurzhaarrocker> or you have to unsolder and replace the flash chip
14.34.21 #       <Lynx_> kurzhaarrocker: i know, that's out of question
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14.40.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, Bagder, Zagor: I have a completely OT question, about swedish houses and the ventilation systems which are said to be common
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14.41.30 #       <Zagor> ok?
14.42.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I want something like that for my current project ( the house)
14.42.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ;-)
14.42.28 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure what you are referring to
14.42.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I heared it's common in sweden
14.42.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a simple system that pulls off the air
14.43.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and small openings at the outside walls for fresh air
14.44.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you know what I mean?
14.44.25 #       <Zagor> yeah. these openings are also often integrated into the windows.
14.44.45 #       <Zagor> don't you have that?
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14.44.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
14.45.09 #       <kurzhaarrocker> We open the window if we want a hole :9
14.45.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if you ask for a vent system, in germany, people tend to recommend a more complex system, with a heat exchanger
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14.46.17 #       <Zagor> yeah, the simple model is mostly for summer use. otherwise you'll waste a lot of heat by blowing out warm air and sucking in cold. so we use heat exchangers during winter.
14.46.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which requires pipes for the fresh air, too?
14.46.45 #       <Zagor> yes
14.47.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so you have a central box?
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14.47.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm faceing the decision for a simple system vs. the one wit heat exchanger
14.48.25 #       <Zagor> well i'm not an expert at this by far so I'm not sure exactly what equipment is used. check with bagder, he lives in a house :)
14.48.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which is 3-4 times as much, because of all those pipes
14.48.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you live in a hole?
14.49.07 #       <Zagor> i live in an apartment, with only the simple style ventilation
14.49.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is the fresh air annoing cold in the winter?
14.49.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's what worries me
14.50.00 #       <Zagor> i guess the point of the more complex heat exchanger system is to save energy by not pumping out hot air
14.50.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm more worried about my comfort than the ecology ;-)
14.50.38 #       <Zagor> on, it's not annoying cold. the openings are quite small and don't let in a draft.
14.51.18 #       <Zagor> it's a constant but low-volume low-speed ventilation
14.51.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, but I coudn't tell if it's enough to chill
14.52.24 #       <Zagor> all openings are adjustable and can also be closed completely
14.52.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which is not exacly desired...
14.53.09 #       <Zagor> well it can be desired if it's -30C outside :)
14.53.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then no ventilation, I mean
14.53.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok, I'll try to bug Bagder 
14.54.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> did he build his house?
14.54.05 #       <Zagor> no
14.55.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are people happy with the simple style, or is that constant annoyance?
14.55.48 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I don't live in a hole. The hole as home is for later, after life :)
14.56.34 #       <Zagor> people are generally happy, I'd say.
14.57.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok, so not outdated low-tech
14.59.15 #       <Zagor> but remember sweden is a pretty cool country, so we generally only heat out homes (not cool them). that might make a difference if your climate is warmer.
14.59.52 #       <Zagor> s/out/our
15.00.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a/c for homes is uncommon here, too
15.01.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if a constant small stream of outside air is tolerable in sweden, it will most likely be so here, too
15.05.36 #       <Lynx_> I just taped up a place in the lab here where cold air was coming in ;-)
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15.11.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Lynx_: you were sitting close to the intake?
15.19.10 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: yes, it was above my desk above the window. I guess it depends on the mixing of the air if it's annoying - if you don't feel the fresh air as a cold stream because it's mixed with room air away from you I guess that would be ok
15.20.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that's a recommendation I've heared
15.20.45 #       <Lynx_> but with the current german gas/oil prices I wouldn't waste too much heat ;-)
15.25.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> from an economical standpoint, such a heat exchange system has no chance to pay off
15.25.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> unless energy prices skyrocket
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15.37.11 #       <Lynx_> how much is it?
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15.58.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Lynx_: sorry for bad attention.
15.59.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the energy ot the system?
15.59.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/ot/or
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16.04.11 #       <Lynx_> the system
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16.04.34 #       <Lynx_> bad attention here, too ;-)
16.04.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have no accurate prices for my house, but perhaps 2000 EUR for the "exhaust"
16.05.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> versus maybe 8000 for with heat exchange
16.05.29 #       <Lynx_> uh...that's a lot
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16.06.51 #       <Lynx_> i used to live near the airport, they paid for ventilation systems (airplane noise -> not open window) which consisted of a large (15 cm diameter) hole in the wall and a box with a silent fan and slits to let in the air
16.10.38 #       <kurzhaarrocker> 15 cm is definitly to small to let in airplanes.
16.14.22 #       <Lynx_> kurzhaarrocker: yes, it worked very well, especially getting the of the air force jets out of the house was nice, they are quick and hard to catch
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