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00.00.54 #       <jyp> something triggered when the stock firmware runs, loads code form disk...
00.01.27 #       <Zagor> jyp: yeah, we're doing that for the iriver too
00.01.27 #       <jyp> Maybe you guys can point me to similar work you've done ?
00.01.38 #       <LinusN> jyp: i'm doing it as we speak
00.01.56 #       <jyp> You took another approach for the original rockbox ?
00.02.14 #       <LinusN> we are porting it to iriver
00.02.42 #       <Zagor> the archos loaded code by itself, so we didn't need a flashed loader there
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00.05.01 #       <amiconn> Zagor/ LinusN: Any plans to put a flashable chip in one of your oldplayers?
00.05.19 #       <LinusN> unfortunately not
00.05.27 #       <Zagor> I can send you mine :)
00.05.41 #       <LinusN> Zagor: you don't have an oldplayer
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00.06.05 #       <amiconn> Huh? Wasn't Zagor's player v. 4.13?
00.06.21 #       <Zagor> yes itis
00.06.26 #       <LinusN> oh
00.06.40 #       <amiconn> That's still an oldplayer (but not a veryoldplayer without HD power control)
00.07.44 #       <amiconn> I don't have the appropriate equipment to easily swap TSOP chips :( That's something [IDC]Dragon can do much better.
00.08.33 #       <amiconn> On the other hand, I was more succesful with doing the UART boot mod for players
00.12.15 #       <Bagder> http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox160bw.png
00.12.42 #       <LinusN> looks ok
00.13.09 #       <Zagor> now 2-bit grayscale...
00.13.11 #       <Bagder> hm, 161 
00.13.38 #       <Bagder> grayscale will really improve the look of it
00.13.43 #       <quelsaruk> hmm i wonder why stupid iE doesnt' understand png as image format... windoze is amazing
00.14.14 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: because it hasn't been updated in years. they already own the market, so no need to improve.
00.14.54 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: i used some png's pictures i made 3 years ago with gimp and worked on that arcaic ie.... now it doesn't work
00.15.23 #       <Bagder> ok, now its 160
00.15.53 #       <Bagder> this has some extra details from the original logo that the archos one doesn't
00.16.18 #       <amiconn> quelsaruk: Works for me. Just checked with IE, it's not my default browsers
00.16.20 #       <amiconn> -s
00.16.38 #       <quelsaruk> :/
00.17.04 #       <quelsaruk> it works for me on firefox, but ie tries to download the file because it doesn't recognize it...
00.17.46 #       <amiconn> I just pasted the URL into IE's address line, and it displays fine. Btw: IE6 SP1 on WinXP SP2 here
00.17.53 #       <quelsaruk> as me
00.18.03 #       <quelsaruk> mistery...
00.18.41 #       <amiconn> I also use Firefox by default now (just switched from plain Mozilla)
00.19.01 #       <quelsaruk> i like firefox
00.19.03 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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00.35.56 #       <Bagder> night
00.36.00 #       <quelsaruk> night
00.36.51 #       <LinusN> yiehaa! now the code runs flawless from flash
00.37.01 #       <Bagder> kewl
00.37.12 #       <Zagor> wohoo!
00.37.17 #       <quelsaruk> enhorabuena LinusN :)
00.37.35 #       <Bagder> but I think my 160 pixels logo is slightly cooler
00.37.38 #       * Bagder ducks
00.38.00 #       <Bagder> sorry, I was off to bed
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01.19.11 #       <quelsaruk> night all!
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02.13.03 #       <bagawk> Hey LinusN and Bagder :)
02.13.23 #       <LinusN> yo
02.14.50 #       <bagawk> LinusN: The iriver ihp1xx seems like a neat toy :)
02.15.50 #       <bagawk> It should bring a large user base to rockbox
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02.18.20 #       <LinusN> yup
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02.22.07 #       <bagawk> LinusN: I htink Jeff at Mysticriver should be added to the credits
02.22.16 #       <bagawk> *think
02.22.26 #       <LinusN> in the firmware?
02.23.21 #       <bagawk> yes
02.24.18 #       <LinusN> well, those credits are until this date only for people who have contributed code, iirc
02.25.01 #       <bagawk> THe guy that donated a FM recorder was added to the credits
02.26.47 #       <LinusN> true
02.27.09 #       <LinusN> and jeff should have credits for donating rockbox.org?
02.28.31 #       <bagawk> I think so, it was a nice thing
02.29.08 #       <LinusN> yeah, maybe so
02.38.59 #       <LinusN> time to get some sleep
02.39.01 #       <LinusN> nite all
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05.54.17 #       <Darkintent> is anyone awake in here?
06.05.17 #       <dwihno> well of course!
06.06.17 #       <JJ-Demon> anyone in here have a gmini 400? (i own one)
06.07.32 #       <dwihno> don't know of any who has one
06.08.16 #       <JJ-Demon> hmmm... i want to try and find out more abotu it and see if we could write something for it... but i cant find anyone who has any coding experiance that owns one
06.09.04 #       <dwihno> I think there is some kind of project
06.09.26 #       <dwihno> http://www.donat.org/archos/
06.09.28 #       <dwihno> there you go
06.10.55 #       <Darkintent> um is there going to be a rockbox for the h300 series players?
06.11.14 #       <JJ-Demon> yes i have talked to the guys there, they have no plans for developing for the 400 as they don't own one. so im here looking if i can find anyone more experianced than be with one ^^,
06.11.40 #       <JJ-Demon> me*
06.11.49 #       <dwihno> The first port is the H1xx series. afaik, there are some similarities between the h300 series as well, so it might be a port
06.12.22 #       <Darkintent> I know there is chatter about it but is it an actual goal of the Rockbox developers to port to both player series?
06.12.25 #       <Darkintent> oppss
06.12.31 #       <Darkintent> you answered me already
06.12.33 #       <Darkintent> :)
06.13.12 #       <Darkintent> I really look forward to seeing a rockbox for the 300 series just looking at what you guys did with the Archos makes me drool at the possibilities
06.13.36 #       <dwihno> You got a H300?
06.13.41 #       <Darkintent> yes I do
06.13.48 #       <Darkintent> well monday I will
06.14.06 #       <Darkintent> I hope its in state right now so I am hoping I get it today
06.14.09 #       <Darkintent> :)
06.14.48 #       <Darkintent> im no good with tinkering so I would surely destroy my player if I dared to try and take it apart
06.15.31 #       <Darkintent> I wonder if Iriver will ever decide to open source the firmware code
06.15.46 #       <dwihno> dunno
06.15.47 #       <JJ-Demon> dont get a h300 :D get a Gmini 400 instead. i jsut bought a 400 over the H300 a few weeks ago
06.16.15 #       <Darkintent> I know they are supposedly working with third party developers to bring firware updates
06.16.35 #       <dwihno> It's just a matter of time before the H100-series will have a port. I just hope it won't be too soon; otherwise, I'd have to adjust my tight budget and buy one ;)
06.17.34 #       <Darkintent> lol
06.17.54 #       <Darkintent> well I love the fact that there is a really great modding community around
06.18.01 #       <Darkintent> unlike with the Ipods
06.18.32 #       <JJ-Demon> http://archos.com/products/overview/gmini_400.html dont even have to mod it :P
06.18.59 #       <Darkintent> with rockbox around and hopefully coming to the 300 series soon I think I will get a long life out of my player
06.20.14 #       <Darkintent> thats kinda weak compared to an h340
06.20.19 #       <Darkintent> just on hdd alone
06.20.30 #       <Darkintent> besides my Ipod is already 15gb
06.20.43 #       <Darkintent> :)
06.20.59 #       <JJ-Demon> ... you can watch videos on it, it has a built in CF slot so u dont have to worry abotu compatibility with usb host
06.21.01 #       <Darkintent> had this been around before I bought my 3g Ipod I would have got it
06.21.03 #       <JJ-Demon> liek the H300
06.21.13 #       <Darkintent> I dont want to watch video on it though
06.21.19 #       <Darkintent> I have a laptop
06.21.20 #       <JJ-Demon> you can plug it into tv
06.21.26 #       <Darkintent> laptop
06.21.40 #       <JJ-Demon> and it looks way better then a H300.
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06.21.52 #       <JJ-Demon> why are you getting the H300 then?
06.21.56 #       <Darkintent> and I can watch any manner of video on that and at higher resolution than my tv
06.21.59 #       <Darkintent> to play music
06.22.05 #       <Darkintent> it does that too you know
06.22.08 #       <Darkintent> ....
06.22.22 #       <JJ-Demon> gmini 400 does that better :D
06.22.32 #       <JJ-Demon> you can actually shuffle playlists randomly
06.22.40 #       <JJ-Demon> and not get the same list every time u shuffle
06.22.43 #       <JJ-Demon> like on H300
06.22.47 #       <JJ-Demon> have u actually used one?
06.22.51 #       <JJ-Demon> ive compared them both
06.23.04 #       <Darkintent> I never use shuffle
06.23.06 #       <Darkintent> ever
06.23.15 #       <Darkintent> not on my computer and not on my Ipod
06.23.28 #       <Darkintent> and the gmini only plays mp3's
06.23.34 #       <JJ-Demon> well its still easier to browse music using ARC
06.23.45 #       <Darkintent> the video codecs are indeed impressive
06.23.55 #       <JJ-Demon> no WAV also and WMA
06.24.09 #       <dwihno> JJ-Demon: apart from the video feature, you're only mentioning firmware shortcomings :)
06.24.35 #       <Darkintent> well ive never used arc I use anapod and I use anapod explorer to manage my Ipod its quite excellent
06.24.46 #       <Darkintent> I wont say arc is bad though
06.25.11 #       <JJ-Demon> so? iRiver have allready shown thier lack fo firmware support
06.25.32 #       <Darkintent> I would like to see an h300 doing flac then I could shut up the irrational Ipod supporters for good
06.25.47 #       <Darkintent> well those that obsess over lossless like some
06.25.49 #       <JJ-Demon> archos has released 4 updates to my Gmini int he time it took to get oen for the H300
06.26.22 #       <Darkintent> Dude you realize you are in a channel that deals with modded/ rewritten firmware
06.26.40 #       <Darkintent> meant to improve a product like the H100 and 300 series respectively
06.26.45 #       <JJ-Demon> yes ^^ im just trying to giv eu the advise i got
06.26.50 #       <JJ-Demon> i was going to buy a H300 also
06.27.00 #       <dwihno> :)
06.27.15 #       <Darkintent> And your advice is bad if you want to play music
06.27.24 #       <JJ-Demon> why is that?
06.27.29 #       <Darkintent> and dont want only 20gb's
06.27.35 #       <JJ-Demon> Gmini plays music fine.
06.27.43 #       <JJ-Demon> you have more then 20GB music?
06.27.48 #       <Darkintent> number 1 it only supports mp3 what if I want to use ogg
06.27.59 #       <Darkintent> ive come very close to filling my Ipod with 15
06.28.14 #       <Darkintent> and I have yet to rip my brothers cd collection
06.28.21 #       <Darkintent> all of it anyway
06.28.54 #       <JJ-Demon> oh well if you have more then 20gb music i see. different players fit different people.
06.29.05 #       <Darkintent> 2. I want to use OGG not wma or WAV
06.29.12 #       <JJ-Demon> i have only 4 gb of MP3 music though. but i have alot of episodes of TV shows
06.29.13 #       <Darkintent> although it is good to have WAV
06.29.15 #       <JJ-Demon> and i travel alot
06.29.21 #       <JJ-Demon> so gmini is great for me
06.29.36 #       <JJ-Demon> also i forgot to add the games. but doesnt really matter
06.29.45 #       <JJ-Demon> and built in CF slot :P
06.30.06 #       <Darkintent> I wonder if the gmini can handle ogm files with alittle cjolling
06.30.12 #       <Darkintent> *cajolling
06.30.33 #       <Darkintent> it could probably handle some of the divx/xvid files I have lying around
06.30.42 #       <JJ-Demon> archos has stated ogg support is on the way in future firmware
06.31.03 #       <Darkintent> well if you get it from them all I can say is great
06.31.18 #       <Darkintent> its good to see a company treat their customers well
06.31.43 #       <Darkintent> and while Iriver may not have the same record we can look to Rockbox to handle most of it
06.31.48 #       <JJ-Demon> yea
06.32.12 #       <Darkintent> and if Iriver is really working with 3rd party developers to do firmware we are all going to be in a good position
06.32.27 #       <Darkintent> lets look at it this way both are better than an Ipod
06.32.28 #       <Darkintent> :)
06.32.38 #       <JJ-Demon> im in here cause im looking for other gmini owners. want to explore some extra features we could add. or port a embedded linux over to it.
06.32.45 #       <JJ-Demon> yea definatly
06.32.53 #       <JJ-Demon> don't get an ipod
06.33.03 #       <Darkintent> I learned that the hard way
06.33.15 #       <Darkintent> but at the time it was the best player out
06.33.20 #       <Darkintent> the 3g I mean
06.33.24 #       <Darkintent> not the new one
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06.33.34 #       * dwihno hugs his recorder-20
06.33.42 #       <Darkintent> that one sucked I held it in my hand and I was like wtf
06.33.44 #       <dwihno> I don't need no new stinkin' technology ;)
06.33.50 #       <Darkintent> they killed the interface
06.34.04 #       <Darkintent> with the clickwheel on normal ipods\
06.34.32 #       <Darkintent> and the Ipod photo is a joke compared to the cost of either of the H30o series
06.34.55 #       <Darkintent> its a shame there isnt a 60gb model of the H300 series
06.35.33 #       <Darkintent> that is the one hardware edge I give the Ipod photo
06.36.23 #       <dwihno> Darkintent: well, I guess the 1.8" disks are expensive :)
06.36.37 #       <dwihno> the price of technology \o/
06.36.39 #       <Darkintent> yea but not enough to justify 600usd
06.36.46 #       <Darkintent> thats crazy
06.37.07 #       <Darkintent> never shop at the apple store or even the Iriver store
06.37.10 #       <Darkintent> hehehe
06.37.11 #       <dwihno> 600USD?!
06.37.18 #       <dwihno> no way!
06.37.22 #       <Darkintent> for a 60gb Ipod photo
06.37.26 #       <dwihno> wtf
06.37.31 #       <Darkintent> thats what it is on the apple site
06.37.43 #       <Darkintent> and I got my h340 for 378usd
06.37.44 #       <dwihno> you better get the deal of your life for your soul then :)
06.38.20 #       <Darkintent> and it supports photos and even video although you have to break drm and the clock with the US version
06.38.56 #       <dwihno> I got video on my rec20 ;)
06.40.01 #       <Darkintent> the regular 40gb Ipod on the apple site is basically 400 usd
06.40.13 #       <Darkintent> and it doesnt come with a carrying case
06.40.21 #       <Darkintent> it does come with a dock though
06.40.51 #       <Darkintent> but I can get a dock for about 30 or 35 usd from Iriver
06.41.15 #       <Darkintent> although im going to wait to see if other places start selling the dock to check the price
06.41.25 #       <Darkintent> before I make a decision
06.42.40 #       <Darkintent> On Ebuyer.com a regular Ipod 40gb sells for 375 usd while the H340 is 378.41usd ....that made it so easy to decide
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06.58.10 #       <Darkintent> night all
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09.51.31 #       <LinusN> the original iriver EQ has a list of presets, i think 5 in the H1xx firmware
09.51.49 #       <LinusN> u know, "Rock", "Classical", "Flat" etc
09.52.04 #       <LinusN> the new H10 has *30* presets!!!
09.52.08 #       <LinusN> http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=7768
09.52.11 #       <Bagder> gosh
09.52.15 #       <LinusN> how silly is that????
09.52.29 #       <LinusN> "Hard rock" "Hip hop"...
09.52.33 #       <LinusN> "Rap"
09.52.38 #       <Bagder> hahaha
09.52.56 #       <Bagder> speaking of silly...
09.53.07 #       <Bagder> bmp2rb refuses to convert anything wider than 112 pixels ;-)
09.53.11 #       <LinusN> "Reggae" :-)
09.53.20 #       <LinusN> Bagder: haha
09.53.39 #       <amiconn> I never understand what this kind of presets might be good for. I prefer a fully adjustable EQ anytime
09.53.46 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i ran rockbox from flash in my iriver last night
09.54.17 #       <Bagder> did it rock your box?
09.54.24 #       <LinusN> totally silent :-)
09.55.09 #       <LinusN> it takes 25 minutes to reprogram the entire flash via BDM! :-)
09.55.20 #       <Bagder> hehe
09.55.34 #       <LinusN> but the flash specs are incredible
09.55.38 #       <Bagder> gives you time to really think if you made any bugs or not
09.55.54 #       <LinusN> 14us typical word program time
09.56.11 #       <LinusN> 16ms sector erase
09.56.18 #       <LinusN> 70ms chip erase!!!
09.56.34 #       <LinusN> it's damn fast
09.57.03 #       <LinusN> but that doesn't help when you bitbang a serial bdm connection...
09.59.03 #       <midk> H10 has 30? what's that?
09.59.10 #       <midk> H110 is the old one?
09.59.38 #       <Bagder> H10 is the new ipod mini clone
10.00.46 #       <midk> looks pretty nice
10.04.58 #       <amiconn> iRiver is another example of a company that is even unable to do proper webdesign: www.iriver.de gives a completely blank page, www.iriver.com gives a framed page with 2 lines and no other content.
10.05.01 #       <LinusN> touch-dial, yuck!
10.05.16 #       <amiconn> (with Firefox 1.0 that is)
10.05.21 #       <LinusN> iriver.com is a total flash-orgy
10.05.33 #       <Bagder> yeah
10.05.39 #       <Bagder> I got a single little box
10.05.43 #       <LinusN> so lame
10.05.44 #       <Bagder> since I don't have flash installed
10.05.57 #       * amiconn doesn't see any flash, and not even a box
10.07.27 #       <LinusN> trust me, you're not missing out on anything :-)
10.09.07 #       <LinusN> that site is just as useful with or without the flash plugin
10.10.17 #       <amiconn> Hmm. I wanted to have a look at their various products, and can't do so
10.10.55 #       <amiconn> (unless I use Internet Exploder)
10.11.42 #       <LinusN> or install flash
10.21.15 #       <Bagder> here you go
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10.27.02 #       <amiconn> The iRiver site is annoying
10.28.12 #       <LinusN> annoying, frustrating, silly...you name it
10.28.35 #       <LinusN> it's a monument of flash stupidity
10.29.20 #       <LinusN> those web designers should be hunted down and eliminated
10.29.33 #       <LinusN> along with those who hired them
10.34.48 #       <amiconn> I believe there are far more bad web designers out there than good ones
10.35.50 #       <LinusN> yup, we have a lot of work to do
10.35.52 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.36.28 #       <LinusN> "go out and assimilate!" (Skinny Puppy)
10.36.53 #       <amiconn> The worst example I know so far is the site of the Jewish Museum here in Berlin. This one does work *only* in IE and oldsih Netscape 4.x. *All* other browsers I tried give a 404 error. Really strange!
10.40.09 #       <Bagder> incompetence is global
10.40.41 #       <amiconn> That's still not everything that is wrong with this site
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10.48.35 #       <midk> whoo!
10.48.52 #       <midk> i successfully stole the scrollbar function from rockbox and made it work with linav.. oyeah!
10.49.34 #       <LinusN> a small step for you, but as giant leap for mankind...
10.49.46 #       <LinusN> (or was it the opposite?)
10.49.49 #       <Bagder> " It seems the PCI APIs have changed between 2.6.9 and 2.6.10-rc2, breaking madwifi."
10.49.57 #       <Bagder> fyi
10.50.11 #       <LinusN> there's a patch in the mailing list
10.50.18 #       <Bagder> yeah, I noticed
10.50.29 #       <Bagder> its funny how the APIs never settle
10.50.39 #       * LinusN subscribes to far too many lists... :-)
10.51.01 #       <Bagder> I bet I win in the mail compo anyway :-)
10.51.18 #       <midk> shh, you... uh... party pooper ;)
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10.59.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: the flash in our Archos'es is als erased in 70 ms, that's not unusual
10.59.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/als/slso
10.59.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> s/als/also   (grr)
10.59.42 #       <LinusN> i see, i've only worked with slower flash chips so far
10.59.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bulk erase
11.00.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> way faster than UV erase ;-)
11.00.23 #       <LinusN> haha
11.00.34 #       <LinusN> those were the days
11.00.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in the early days, I had no UV lamp
11.01.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and let the chip rest on my window sill all summer
11.01.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (which worked)
11.02.14 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.02.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> horrible turnaround times, don't wine about BDM flashing
11.04.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but you could download a small program which does the flashing, right?
11.04.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (plus the content)
11.04.35 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I guess flashing the Archos via minimon will take a similar amount of time
11.04.42 #       <LinusN> i built an erasing unit with an UV lamp and a GlenFiddich box
11.05.01 #       <amiconn> (I never tried it myself, just loading an image via minimon was slow enough for me)
11.05.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> flashing takes the same time
11.05.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the serial is the limiting factor
11.06.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> on recorders, it's quite acceptable with 115200 baud
11.06.22 #       <amiconn> ..per amount of data, yes. Loading an image is therefore still faster than flashing the whole 256K
11.07.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> different topic: I'd like to pick up the MMC in filesystem topic for the Ondio
11.08.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> now that I used it with MMC, the mutual thing is annoying
11.08.21 #       <LinusN> and it's 2 megabytes on the iriver...
11.08.38 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Isn't the BDM connected via parallel?
11.08.55 #       <LinusN> the wiggler, yes, but the bdm interface itself is serial
11.09.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> syncronous, I guess?
11.09.14 #       <LinusN> so we bitbang the serial bdm with the parallel port
11.09.17 #       <amiconn> Isn't it possible to clock this faster?
11.09.32 #       <LinusN> yes, if we increase the cpu frequency
11.09.47 #       <LinusN> but i keep it in the default, safe mode for now
11.09.52 #       <LinusN> 12MHz
11.09.53 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I also planned to tackle this in the not too far future, but did not yet start. Although not too difficult, this means a lot of work
11.10.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any non-obvious problems?
11.10.35 #       <amiconn> (#ifdef'ing most of the fat and ata/mmc driver api
11.10.37 #       <amiconn> )
11.10.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> why a lot of work?
11.11.18 #       <amiconn> Then deciding how to handle special cases
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11.11.29 #       <amiconn> config sector always of drive #0 is obvious
11.12.01 #       <amiconn> Having the MMC content under /MMC prevents PC-prepared playlists from working without modification...
11.12.20 #       <LinusN> amiconn: why?
11.12.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe if a full path is in there
11.13.07 #       <LinusN> but full paths generated from pc:s are not correct anyway
11.13.31 #       <LinusN> rockbox strips the leading path until it finds a match
11.13.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we skip the drive letter
11.13.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, even better
11.14.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but how do we work the /MMC in front of it?
11.14.22 #       <LinusN> in file.c, i guess
11.14.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and only in case the playlist comes from /MMC
11.14.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I mean for the playlist item search
11.14.59 #       <LinusN> ah
11.15.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not for file opening in general
11.15.11 #       <LinusN> i'd say that's a secondary problem
11.15.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, first thingit to make the file system "device aware"
11.15.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ...thing is
11.16.09 #       <LinusN> yes, handling silly playlist generators has never been rockbox' problem
11.16.28 #       <LinusN> well, it has, but it shouldn't be rockbox problem
11.16.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is there an illegal char in FAT32 directory names we can use to prepend?
11.17.08 #       <LinusN> ???
11.17.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like #MMC
11.17.30 #       <Zagor> sure, lots of them. ":" for instance
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11.17.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to avoid collisions if a directorywas named MMC
11.17.45 #       <Bagder> ? too I believe
11.17.50 #       <LinusN> *
11.17.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> :MMC looks file
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11.18.13 #       <Bagder> or perhaps MMC:
11.18.16 #       <quelsaruk> morning
11.18.21 #       <Bagder> looks more DOS/windows
11.18.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> even better
11.18.30 #       <LinusN> Bagder: slightly amiga:ish :-)
11.18.35 #       <Bagder> very amigaish
11.19.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but slower to compare
11.19.13 #       <Bagder> hehe
11.19.18 #       <Bagder> I bet you'll never notice that
11.19.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> well, from the code you wouls
11.19.47 #       <amiconn> I'd simply use /MMC, hiding an equally named directory
11.19.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> would
11.20.09 #       <Bagder> yeah, /MMC feels more "right" in my view as well
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11.20.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but sort it always first
11.20.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> by giving it a special directory attribute
11.21.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> inthe tree browser, I mean
11.21.33 #       <LinusN> why
11.21.34 #       <LinusN> ?
11.21.40 #       <LinusN> why sort first?
11.21.41 #       <amiconn> why?
11.21.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you want to search for it somewhere in the middle?
11.22.16 #       <LinusN> why not treat it as a normal directory?
11.22.36 #       <amiconn> If I look for "M" I expect this where the other entries with "M" are, nowhere else
11.22.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd say that hides the volume too much
11.23.04 #       <LinusN> too much?
11.23.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> another reason for prefixing...
11.23.23 #       <LinusN> [MMC]
11.23.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe you linux guys are used to it
11.23.31 #       <LinusN> yes we are
11.23.33 #       <Zagor> call it #MMC then, legal name that sorts earlier than all others
11.23.42 #       <LinusN> or "[MMC]"
11.23.49 #       <Zagor> [ is after Z
11.23.52 #       <LinusN> ah
11.23.55 #       <LinusN> silly me
11.23.55 #       <amiconn> [MMC]Dragon ;-)
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11.23.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in any case, I make a #define for it  ;-)
11.24.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so we can keep argueing
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11.38.11 #       <amiconn> The very first legal name would be !MMC
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13.53.19 #       <ripnetuk> LinusN - congrats on your progress with flashing iRiver over weekend (just read the logs)
13.53.39 #       <ripnetuk> are you still planning on a boot-loader co-existing with the normal iriver rom?
13.53.47 #       <ripnetuk> or are we going straight for rockbox in flash?
13.54.02 #       <Zagor> loader first
13.54.28 #       <Zagor> it makes us much less vulnerable in case we install a dodgy build
13.54.30 #       <Bagder> load load load
13.55.08 #       <LinusN> amen
13.57.12 #       <ripnetuk> cool thats what i was hoping you would say... i wanna have a go at running my own code on iRiver, but wouldnt dare flash my code :)
14.03.46 #       <ripnetuk> so, the $1000000 question, how close are we to having a boot loader??? i assume a little closer after this weekend?
14.04.01 #       <Bagder> about this close: -->   <--->
14.04.09 #       <Bagder>  -->   <---
14.04.48 #       <ripnetuk> Ive just made it closer by reducing the font size on my irc client :)
14.04.55 #       <Bagder> haha
14.09.32 #       <LinusN> if i didn't have to sleep, i'd say that i could have the boot loader ready tonight
14.09.59 #       <Bagder> LinusN: can't you sleep at work instead? ;-)
14.10.13 #       <LinusN> good idea
14.10.36 #       <ripnetuk> How about a LinusN caffeine fund ;)
14.10.46 #       <ripnetuk> i will contibute 200g 
14.10.59 #       <ripnetuk> only kidding - i really appriciate what you are doing
14.11.30 #       <dwihno> :)
14.11.37 #       <dwihno> yeah, you rock!
14.14.02 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: who need to sleep or work?
14.17.26 #       <ripnetuk> so i assume we will see a patch file which takes a given stock foirmware file and mods it to make the reset vector point after the iRiver code
14.17.37 #       <ripnetuk> and of course tacks the code on the end
14.18.09 #       <ripnetuk> 'cause i expect we are not allowed to distribute a modified .hex file
14.18.29 #       <Bagder> right
14.18.45 #       <Bagder> we need to setup a way that works without any (re-)distribution of iRiver stuff
14.18.50 #       <Bagder> iRiver's even
14.19.33 #       <Zagor> a perl script or something
14.19.49 #       <Bagder> yeps
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14.23.51 #       <ripnetuk> cool
14.26.40 #       <ripnetuk> q
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14.44.12 #       <quelsaruk> lunch time cu!
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15.40.06 #       <Tang> Hello
15.40.08 #       <Tang> :)
15.40.25 #       <lImbus> hi Tang
15.41.11 #       <Tang> Hello ;)
15.42.40 #       <Tang> i'm watching the log to be "ontopic"
15.44.02 #       <Tang> Argh there is another me
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17.46.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any idea how to avoid many #ifdef HAVE_MULTIVOLUME ?
17.47.03 #       <Tang> hello again
17.47.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll end up extending many functions and structs with a volume parameter
17.52.15 #       <Tang> Just to congratulate Linus for his lats progress... :)
17.52.27 #       <Tang> I've to go cheers!
17.52.28 #       <Tang> :)
17.55.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see 3 options:
17.55.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 1) make an #ifdef hell with alternative prototypes, and function calls
17.56.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 2) use tricky preprocessing to collapse the volume argument to nothing if unused
17.56.45 #       <lImbus> wow
17.57.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 3) generally use the volume number for all, some penalty for the other platforms
17.57.13 #       <lImbus> (I rather tought about extending the preprocessor)
17.57.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> option 2) will make the code more difficult to read
17.57.55 #       <lImbus> yo
17.58.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor, LinusN, do you read?
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18.02.45 #       <LinusN> have to go
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19.00.16 #       <emanuel> i have a problem copiling a plugin, with the option simulation i is built, but not when i build it with the standard option. What is wrong?
19.00.53 #       <lImbus> mhmm.
19.00.57 #       <midk> your environment probably can't build the sim
19.01.19 #       <quelsaruk> hi
19.01.31 #       <emanuel> no works with the sim, but it is not built in the normal  mode...
19.02.21 #       <lImbus> thats strange
19.02.27 #       <midk> oh, sorry, read that wrong
19.02.32 #       <midk> usually the other way around :)
19.03.03 #       <lImbus> I don't see the purpose of having a plugin in sim, but not in normal build, else I would recommend you to have a look at the SOURCES-file
19.03.04 #       <emanuel> all the standard plugins are built but not mine.
19.03.30 #       <lImbus> ah. did you add it to the SOURCES-file ?
19.03.37 #       <emanuel> i enhanced the milage-calc plugin...
19.04.03 #       <emanuel> no :-)
19.04.27 #       <midk> well, it's likely an error with your plugin... what error do you get, anyways?
19.04.29 #       <lImbus> then it's rather strange it builds with the sim :D
19.12.51 #       <emanuel> ty for yout help, it was the missing entry in SOURCES
19.13.03 #       <emanuel> now it works
19.13.12 #       <lImbus> you're welcome
19.24.02 #       <emanuel> bye
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20.40.02 #       <ripnetUK> has anyone else found that Linux doesnt like the iRiver being plugged in and THEN powered up? sda doesnt appear, and a reboot hangs when shutting down alsa?
20.40.49 #       <quelsaruk> hmmmm
20.41.07 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor ,Bagder, you use linux and have a iriver...thats for you
20.41.08 #       <quelsaruk> :)
20.41.45 #       <ripnetUK> i think its devfs playing up... worked fine on same hardware on old distro (mdk10.0). That had devfs...
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