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00.00.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with a wire attached to the common end of the resistors
00.01.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the LCD can be removed and fitted without removing the tuner PCB
00.02.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you have to pull the brown levers out
00.02.22 #       <Trevmar> Jorg - Hwere is it documented about how to connect the boot cable to the parallel (or is it serial) port of the PC?
00.02.26 #       <Trevmar> Where
00.02.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with some kind of small hook
00.02.44 #       <amiconn> Zagor: No warning on the Ondio quickstart card (Ondio SP, that is). Full manual is only available on CD, checking...
00.02.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Trevmar: you need a level converter inbetween
00.05.06 #       <Trevmar> Jorg - yes, I remember seeing the schematic somewhere -- if I could only find it again LOL
00.05.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then green is Gnd, orange is input, yellow is output
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00.05.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (on my Ondio cable)
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00.07.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a nice source for a level converter is a mobile phone cable
00.07.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> recenly I got some for a few bucks, coming from USB, which also solves the power supply issue
00.08.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a cable with a tiny USB<->serial bridge, convenient 3V levels
00.09.02 #       <amiconn> Zagor: There is *no* warning in the Ondio manual.
00.09.51 #       <amiconn> Btw, the CD which came with my Ondio SP does only contain the Ondio FM manual
00.10.36 #       <Zagor> ok
00.11.50 #       <Spida> from the Exim ftp sites. The manual is also online at the Exim web sites.
00.11.58 #       <Spida> waeh, wrong paste, sorry
00.12.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Trevmar: like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5742283818
00.12.26 #       <Spida> http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/11/30/208 <- thats the one I wanted to paste
00.12.52 #       <Trevmar> Jorg - thanks, got the ebay link
00.13.55 #       <Trevmar> Jorg - and it is bought :)
00.14.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that was quick
00.14.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> $7 shipment :(
00.14.28 #       <Zagor> Spida: that wasn't hard to guess :)
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00.15.23 #       <Trevmar> Jorg - yes, but Losa Angeles is 50miles away, and fuel would cost that much -LOL  anyway I will get it by mail in just a day or two
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00.17.07 #       <Trevmar> is there an executable for your loading software? otherwise what compiler do I need to compile it? Host OS is DOS?
00.17.26 #       <Zagor> Spida: i'm guessing they will soon cave like all others. nobody has ever stood up to the gpl.
00.17.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I can attach it to the wiki page
00.18.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's a Win32 command line app
00.18.32 #       <Trevmar> Jorg: thanks. DO you have a link tp the correct wiki page?
00.19.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> topic is UartBoot
00.19.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UartBoot
00.19.39 #       <Trevmar> Got it, thanks
00.19.56 #       <lImbus> Zagor: are the pmp older devices ? I'm messing it up all again...
00.20.29 #       <Trevmar> Jorg, Does this flash the CPU memory?
00.20.56 #       <amiconn> $ sh-elf-gcc -v  -->  $ sh-elf-gcc -v   :)
00.21.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the program flash, yes. It's located outside of the CPU
00.21.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/tools/uart_boot.zip
00.21.09 #       <Zagor> lImbus: the pmp is their rather new media (movie) player
00.21.19 #       <amiconn> Ahem, I mean -->  gcc version 3.3.5
00.21.30 #       <lImbus> ah well, with drm ?
00.21.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the CPU itself has a boot ROM
00.21.41 #       <Zagor> lImbus: i don't know
00.21.54 #       <lImbus> whatever
00.22.41 #       <Trevmar> Jorg, quickly reading the readme in the ZIp I didn't see whether your software talks to COM1 or COM2
00.23.56 #       <Trevmar> I am hoping the CPU boot ROM has not gone 'soft'...
00.24.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's a command line option
00.24.38 #       <Trevmar> OK, I will figure it out, thanks
00.24.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Trevmar: nor has the the flash, I'd say. But we'll see...
00.27.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> befory you actually flash anything, make sure to have read the flash
00.27.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you'd need to copy the h/w mask value into your new image
00.28.03 #       <Trevmar> OK, will do my best. Will try the two high-current ones first, as their behaviour might change :)
00.28.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm sure those have a hardware problem
00.28.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the software can't cause such a rush
00.29.19 #       <Trevmar> Arrrgh - there is something in the readme.txt about the mask?
00.29.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not yet :-(
00.29.44 #       <Trevmar> Ok, I won't have the cable until a day or two :(
00.30.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll try to update the wiki
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00.30.42 #       <Trevmar> I think the high current might be due to the CPU not switching things properly - that is why I am worried about CPU internal flash - I have had systems where the CMOS CPUs draw a lot of current when things aren't toggling just right...
00.31.05 #       <Trevmar> Also, inputs and outputs may not be initialized right, causing high currents
00.31.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I doubt it in this case
00.31.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not such high
00.31.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you have an idea where the power goes?
00.31.47 #       <Trevmar> OK, thanks. At least I don't worry as much now that I have two units doing it from two different histories
00.31.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> something must heat up
00.32.19 #       <Trevmar> I haven't left it on for long enough to see, but only the converter gets hot as far as I can see. The 3.3V stays where it should be
00.32.45 #       <lImbus> -> home. good night guys
00.32.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> My model suffered from a hot converter, too
00.32.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> draw ~250 mA
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00.33.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in my case, it was the converter itself
00.33.22 #       <Trevmar> hmm..why 250ma? was that due to a failed converter?
00.33.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
00.33.41 #       <Trevmar> maybe that is the problem. Anyway - they are cheap chips
00.33.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> output was OK, efficiency not
00.34.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if you have a source, yes
00.34.55 #       <Trevmar> final question - docs on patching the hardware mask will be in the modified Wiki?
00.36.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that'll be the best place, yes
00.37.27 #       <amiconn> Gcc 3.3.5 generates slightly more compact binaries than 3.3.1. The difference is quite small though, 108 to 184 bytes for rockbox depending on target
00.37.47 #       <Trevmar> Thanks, Jorg, thanks for everything..
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00.40.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> night!
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04.19.54 #       <Goatmale> Hello Everyone.
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09.29.21 #       <LePoulpe> hi all
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09.29.28 #       <JJ-Demon> 04hi
09.29.41 #       <lImbus> hi
09.33.44 #       <LePoulpe> anyone has a doc about how to change batteries on archos jb studio ? i've lost the user manual
09.34.06 #       <lImbus> mhmm. isn't that one of the Players ?
09.34.12 #       <lImbus> should be easy
09.34.28 #       <LePoulpe> yes it is
09.34.39 #       <LePoulpe> but i have to left hands with 5 thumbs on each hand
09.35.09 #       <LePoulpe> i prefer refer to the doc before breaking everything  ;-)
09.35.14 #       <lImbus> do you have working eyes ? could be difficult for blind people
09.35.31 #       <LePoulpe> hmmmm i need glasses
09.35.46 #       <LePoulpe> i'm myopic
09.36.09 #       <lImbus> as long as the glasses are so light you can handle them on the nose, it#s okay I think
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09.36.36 #       <lImbus> let's see. I don't have my device with me here, but that should be no big deal
09.36.38 #       <LePoulpe> no it's to bottle bottoms linked by a wire
09.36.49 #       <lImbus> hehe
09.36.57 #       <lImbus> do you have a plate screwdriver there ?
09.37.05 #       <LePoulpe> i can find one
09.37.08 #       <lImbus> or something similar like ong fingernails ?
09.37.10 #       <LePoulpe> w8
09.37.16 #       <LePoulpe> i eat mty fingernails
09.37.18 #       <lImbus> Long fingernails, that is
09.37.25 #       <lImbus> kk, go for it :-)
09.38.00 #       <LePoulpe> ok !
09.39.06 #       <LePoulpe> got it
09.39.15 #       <lImbus> do you see the small holes left and right side from the central plate, right unter the display ?
09.39.45 #       <LePoulpe> yup
09.39.51 #       <lImbus> get it in there :-)
09.40.01 #       <LePoulpe> k
09.40.10 #       <lImbus> make the levier to haul the curved parts.
09.40.53 #       <lImbus> first pic shows what you should see now: http://www.rockbox.org/mods/disassemble.html
09.41.40 #       <lImbus> or this one: http://www.mctubster.com/hd.html
09.41.42 #       <LePoulpe> oh yes ok
09.42.39 #       <lImbus> then, you have to tear on the batteries. it will bend the bumpers a small bit, you can try to push them to the negative side (where the spring is)
09.42.52 #       <LePoulpe> oh easy yes
09.43.17 #       <lImbus> yup
09.43.36 #       <lImbus> do you need assistance for the rest ? I could take the screwdriver...
09.43.41 #       <LePoulpe> is it your www page ? (the one with hd replacment)
09.44.07 #       <lImbus> nope, I found it on the rockbox->documentation site
09.44.13 #       <LePoulpe> oh ok
09.44.21 #       <LePoulpe> did you try the hd replacement ?
09.44.36 #       <lImbus> I did it, yes
09.45.05 #       <LePoulpe> i'd like to try it
09.45.33 #       <lImbus> feel free :-)
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09.47.08 #       <LePoulpe> what capacity do u have actually ?
09.47.44 #       <lImbus> mhmm. 40 GB, need 20 GB more or something like that. I'm always struggeling
09.48.47 #       <LePoulpe> mankind :-)
09.49.36 #       <lImbus> I think this is somewhat inherent to the system.
09.50.07 #       <LePoulpe> wow  89.95 ¤   for 40 gb ........ .always expensive  .. i hoped price where lower
09.51.11 #       <JJ-Demon> 04what type of hard drives do those players take?
09.51.15 #       <JJ-Demon> 041.8 "
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09.51.16 #       <JJ-Demon> 04?
09.51.33 #       <lImbus> uh, no, the standard notebook-drives
09.51.37 #       <lImbus> is that 2,5 ?
09.51.39 #       <LePoulpe>  2.5"  dixit lImbus
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09.51.48 #       <JJ-Demon> 04ahh ok
09.51.49 #       <lImbus> uhh, did I before ?
09.51.58 #       <LePoulpe> on the www
09.52.28 #       <LePoulpe> i missed the word "site"         2.5" dixit lImbus site
09.52.53 #       <lImbus> JJ-Demon, could you switch of the coloring ? It messes up the logs (see http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt)
09.52.58 #       <lImbus> oh, I see
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09.53.31 #       <JJ-Demon> 04hmm
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09.53.36 #       <JJ-Demon> 04does it look red to you guys?
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09.53.40 #       <JJ-Demon> 04im using trillian
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09.53.45 #       <JJ-Demon> 04and that my text colopur
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09.53.57 #       <JJ-Demon> 04colour* didn't know it showed in irc
09.54.04 #       <lImbus> uhhh
09.54.29 #       <LePoulpe> i don't know i'm colour blind  :-D
09.54.36 #       <LePoulpe> (joke)
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09.54.38 #       <JJ-Demon> 04:P
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09.54.45 #       <JJ-Demon> 04ill change it
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09.55.27 #       <JJ-Demon> 04better?
09.56.03 #       <lImbus> uh, no
09.56.04 #       <LePoulpe> it's green too
09.56.08 #       <LePoulpe> :-)
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09.56.19 #       <JJ-Demon> 04:S
09.56.20 #       <lImbus> don't bother
09.56.26 #       <lImbus> it's not that hard
09.56.33 #       <lImbus> it's only hard to read in the logs
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09.56.35 #       <JJ-Demon> 04ill just be quiet
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09.56.37 #       <JJ-Demon> 04:)
09.56.51 #       <lImbus> especially if your quote starts with numbers, as you can see
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10.02.12 #       <lImbus> OT: anyone else experiencing icq-outage ?
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10.07.59 #       <Lynx_> no
10.08.15 #       <lImbus> mhmm. tnx
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12.32.55 #       <lImbus> hi all
12.40.46 #       <Lynx_> hi
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13.31.58 #       <Spida> lImbus: I don't use ICQ.
13.32.04 #       <Spida> jabber rocks
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13.45.47 #       <ashridah> you know, i'd be really REALLY happy if iriver.com hadn't turned into a flash-based mess
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17.05.28 #       <ripnetUK> i take it there is no gnews on iRiver boot loader (since xmas?) :)
17.06.33 #       <Lynx_> linus is working on it is the last i heard...
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17.19.53 #       <ripnetUK> cool
17.20.09 #       <ripnetUK> last i heard he was ---->  <---- this close :)
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17.30.54 #       <Lynx_> is the bootloader the major step, or just the next major step?
17.38.55 #       <Zagor> it's a rather major step. it's not the last, but a big one.
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17.42.49 #       <ripnetUK> after the bootloader exists, others can work on the code as well.. ATM only LinusN can as only he has the required hardware to run non-offical code on a iRiver
17.45.10 #       <Lynx_> ah, ok. and how far is the rockbox code ready for the iriver hardware? or is that to be determined with the functional bootloader?
17.48.16 #       <Zagor> we have drivers for nearly everything: display, disk, flash, buttons etc. see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
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17.52.48 #       <Lynx_> Zagor: well, there are a lot of 0%'s in the list ;-) or are those minor drivers?
17.55.57 #       <Zagor> they are mostly for the sound hardware and remote control, which we haven't started writing for yet
17.56.45 #       <Zagor> the boot loader will/should enable you to boot rockbox and browse files, play games etc pretty quickly but not play music yet. that's the next step.
17.59.12 #       <Lynx_> the problem is that the decoder will have to be in software, right?
18.00.02 #       <Lynx_> ah, you were talking about the sound driver...
18.01.23 #       <Zagor> yes. the drivers that are complete were relatively easy because we already had those drivers, so we only needed to modify them. the codec code requires more work since the archos players don't require that, so we haven't designed and written it yet
18.03.11 #       <Lynx_> ok. i wish i could code...
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18.55.47 #       <TexJoachim> good evening!
18.55.59 #       <TexJoachim> I just wanted to thank everybody for Rockbox
18.56.09 #       <Zagor> TexJoachim: :-) your're welcome
18.58.53 #       <TexJoachim> got my jukebox on tuesday and never gave the original firmware a chance
18.58.54 #       <TexJoachim> :-)
18.59.35 #       <Zagor> hehe
19.01.22 #       <lImbus> like I did on my recorder and the ondio
19.01.58 #       <lImbus> I took the decision to not be premature and test it at least 10 minutes (I played with the simulator before)
19.02.06 #       <lImbus> it took about half a minute or so :-)
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19.04.53 #       <TexJoachim> lol
19.05.35 #       <TexJoachim> no, I needed to google for my recorder anyway (I use Linux) and the third link aunt google gave me was rockbox.org
19.06.12 #       <TexJoachim> now, the only problem I have is that the first time I used the recorder, it went dead after an hour of listening
19.06.33 #       <TexJoachim> but I must admit that I didn't let it charge for 6 hour before
19.06.51 #       <TexJoachim> I charged for an hour and started putting mp3s on it
19.06.52 #       <TexJoachim> :-)
19.07.07 #       <TexJoachim> now, I gave the recorder time to really charge over last night
19.15.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OT: Google Suggest shows rockbox first after just entering "rockb"
19.17.09 #       <TexJoachim> I didn't that it existed :-)
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19.35.18 #       <_aLF> hi
19.37.13 #       <lImbus> ho
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20.19.21 #       <tearfull> good evenin there
20.20.07 #       <tearfull> Anyone here available to help me with a dying JBM20 ?
20.20.38 #       <lImbus> I can try
20.21.09 #       <tearfull> nice :-)
20.21.53 #       <tearfull> i was transfering afile to my comp and usddenly the usb link failed
20.22.06 #       <tearfull> the screen went black, and has remained black so far
20.22.32 #       <tearfull> After re pluging, the disk doesn't show anymore via the usb
20.23.06 #       <tearfull> I have tried discharging and recharging the batteires, tired to reset the jbm bu removing and reloading the batteires
20.23.31 #       <lImbus> mhmm
20.23.42 #       <tearfull> but the damn thing remain deadn although I can see the read and green lead on
20.23.58 #       <lImbus> so the display stays black, the disk is not spinning anymore, just death? no signs of life ?
20.24.12 #       <lImbus> ah, ok, the led
20.24.21 #       <tearfull> (sorry, led, not lead)
20.24.42 #       <tearfull> I can hear the disk,  a slight buzz, which means the hdd must have some electricity
20.24.45 #       <lImbus> JBM20 ? isn't that a Multimedia ?
20.24.49 #       <tearfull> yes it is
20.25.10 #       <lImbus> so it can't be a rockbox-problem :-)
20.25.23 #       <tearfull> nope :-)
20.25.37 #       <Zagor> tearfull: it doesn't power up in normal mode (non-usb) either?
20.26.18 #       <tearfull> well, I have fully charged the batterizes during the night, and my JBM stayed "on" for a few hours before the JBM shut down
20.26.31 #       <lImbus> mhmm. JBM20 is very close to the recV2 in what concerns power supply and battery connectors, isn't it ?
20.26.56 #       <tearfull> (erf, child is cring, I'll be rght back in minute)
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20.31.52 #       <Zagor> hmm, the helix mp3 codec license might not be gpl compatible
20.33.07 #       <tearfull> (back)
20.34.01 #       <tearfull> well, after browsing through the various forums, I was wondering about two options : either the weak soldering near the batteries, or weakening batteries (3 years old now
20.34.56 #       <tearfull> I'm a bit puzzled regarding what to do next...
20.39.59 #       <tearfull> no suggestion ?
20.41.07 #       <Zagor> i'm afraid not. it sounds like a power failure, but there could be a number of causes
20.43.12 #       <lImbus> the fact it broke up during work stranges me. but no suggestion either.
20.45.42 #       <tearfull> I haven't fully searched the site, but I haven't crossed upon an explanation how to link the hdd to a computer, if ever I manager to disassemble the thing ?
20.46.48 #       <Zagor> tearfull: yeah, that's easy. you just need a 2.5"->3.5" ide converter cable. they are available everywhere for $5 or so
20.48.16 #       <tearfull> and what about power supply ?
20.48.47 #       <Zagor> the converter includes a standard 3.5" drive connector
20.49.15 #       <Zagor> example: http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/165
20.49.54 #       <tearfull> thanks, thart answers the question
20.50.51 #       <tearfull> I still wonder if the batteires might not be too old to retain sufficeint voltage
20.51.53 #       <Zagor> yes, it could definitely be a battery problem.
20.52.14 #       <tearfull> 3 years old is a venerale age for a battery I guess
20.53.37 #       <tearfull> before dissambling (and breaking beoyond repair) my JBM I'll see if I can buy a new set
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20.54.00 #       <Zagor> tearfull: they are available from many places
20.55.03 #       <Zagor> the jbm is the same as the av120, isn't it?
20.55.22 #       <tearfull> yes
20.56.09 #       <tearfull> at least it looks like the same, there are a few differences (native usb 2.0 i think with 120)
20.56.40 #       <Zagor> http://froogle.google.com/froogle?scoring=p&q=archos+av120+battery
20.56.56 #       <Zagor> $19 sounds pretty cheap
20.57.25 #       <tearfull> I'll have to see if I can find some in the remote French little town I live in
20.58.11 #       <Zagor> yeah, that's probably best. but it seems archos use the same liion battery for nearly all their models, which increases the chances of finding it
20.59.41 #       <tearfull> the nice side of the problem is that I might eventually convince my wife I should invest some money on a new model :-)
21.00.08 #       <Zagor> :)
21.00.59 #       <tearfull> does the hdd removal require unsoldering ?
21.03.02 #       <amiconn> tearfull: This page might contain useful info for you: http://www.angelfire.com/trek/archos/
21.03.48 #       <tearfull> well, thanks for you help
21.04.04 #       <tearfull> nice to meet friendly people, sharing some time to help strangers
21.05.42 #       <amiconn> Zagor: The helix decoder does not support layer 2. I would prefer MAD if I have the choice.
21.07.40 #       <amiconn> Possibly there is another option: There is a highly optimized (68k assembler) mpeg decoder library available for Amiga (mpega.library). This is distributed as freeware, no source included. Perhaps it's possible to contact the author...
21.09.05 #       <amiconn> The integer version of this library is able to decode 44.1 kHz stereo mp3s in full quality on 68060 (50 MHz), using around 40..50 % processor power
21.09.48 #       <amiconn> There is also a library version using MAD, which needs twice the processor power.
21.11.03 #       <tearfull> good night
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21.41.20 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I found some interesting facts meanwhile. The author of mpega.library (Stephane Tavenard) seems to have released some of his mp3 decoder sources, under the name "mpegdec". I found a coldfire port of this, released under GPL... http://www.uclinux.org/ports/coldfire/cf-mpegdec_19991021.tar.gz
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22.32.51 #       <Zagor> amiconn: interesting. mad is my first choice too, i'm just looking at alternatives
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22.35.29 #       <amiconn> I would prefer MAD over helix just because MAD supports all 3 layers, thinking of playing DAB recordings (layer 2). Mpegdec does also support all 3 layers (configurable at compile time)
22.38.31 #       <amiconn> Iirc, the clock frequency of the iRiver CPU is variable, so choosing a more optimized decoder should extend battery runtime.
22.39.15 #       <Zagor> there's an awful lot of 68k assembler in mpegdec. if we used that we'd have to start all over again for the gmini.
22.40.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> gmini is a different beast anyway
22.40.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with a DSP at the side
22.40.24 #       <Zagor> aha
22.40.33 #       <jyp> ho ho ho, I'm listenning ;)
22.40.36 #       <Zagor> that will be "fun" :-)
22.40.50 #       <amiconn> Maybe we should start with MAD (iirc MAD is pure C), and add mpegdec later, for extended runtime on iRiver
22.41.00 #       <Zagor> amiconn: yes, i think so
22.41.02 #       <jyp> As it stands we must write the  gmini decoding all in asm
22.41.17 #       <jyp> coz there's no compiler supporting it anyway
22.41.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you wanted the codecs pluggable, anyway?
22.41.24 #       <Zagor> which dsp is it?
22.41.32 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: yes
22.41.51 #       <jyp> CalmMAC arch
22.43.17 #       <Zagor> brb
22.43.32 #       <crash_> jyp: youre crazy :)
22.43.35 #       <jyp> On a different subject, I now have lcd, keypad and timer interrupt working on my gmini
22.44.06 #       <jyp> I think I'm ready for porting the core of rockbox
22.44.24 #       <jyp> ... or I need something else ?
22.44.52 #       <jyp> crash_, Don't worry, I'm gonna write a compiler ;)
22.53.38 #       <Bagder> jyp: you gotten the rockbox source and setup a gmini build yet then?
22.53.51 #       <jyp> yes
22.54.01 #       <Bagder> ok, nice
22.54.09 #       <jyp> simulator builds as you reported
22.54.37 #       <jyp> but it chokes on one plugin... It doesn't matter for me; just reporting
22.54.49 #       <Bagder> yes I noticed
22.54.55 #       <Bagder> I know why too
22.55.05 #       <jyp> ok ,)
22.55.22 #       <Bagder> we need to write up button.h with some key defines for gmini
22.55.50 #       <jyp> checking it...
22.56.02 #       <Bagder> the failing plugin compile is also about a key define
22.56.23 #       <Bagder> I made the gmini build with iriver keypad for the sim
22.56.26 #       <Bagder> to make it build
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23.19.04 #       <Zagor> jyp: do you know if the navigation knob on the xs200 has a push function too?
23.19.39 #       <jyp> no, I don't
23.19.46 #       <jyp> sorry
23.19.50 #       <jyp> crash_?
23.22.10 #       <Zagor> all these new keypads will be a nice challenge to support
23.22.28 #       <Bagder> indeed
23.23.49 #       <Zagor> what's that gray button below the screen on gmini 120?
23.24.32 #       <jyp> menu
23.24.51 #       <Zagor> it's a single click button, not a joystick or anything?
23.25.00 #       <jyp> single click
23.25.41 #       <Zagor> ok. how about the curved buttons to the right, are they effectively two buttons each?
23.25.55 #       <jyp> yes, up down left right
23.26.09 #       <Zagor> good.
23.26.14 #       <jyp> play/pause at the center
23.26.21 #       <jyp> cancel above
23.26.40 #       <jyp> and "on" above again
23.26.57 #       <jyp> that last one isn't connected to adc...
23.27.17 #       <jyp> i don't know how it works yet
23.27.19 #       <Zagor> right. the older jukeboxes are the same - some buttons on adc and some on port pins
23.30.52 #       <Zagor> does the "on" button have a function in the archos firmware? except "on" that is.
23.31.27 #       <jyp> it does the same as play/pause.
23.31.44 #       <jyp> but we can rebind it
23.32.40 #       <Zagor> yes, we will rebind lots of stuff :-) i'm thinking we probably want to use the menu button for our "mode" key, because it's looks to be the only one that is comfortable to reach with the left hand
23.33.36 #       <jyp> yes
23.33.44 #       <Zagor> possibly the on button could be the menu key
23.34.15 #       <Zagor> the big gray button doesn't have a marking, does it?
23.34.21 #       <jyp> no
23.34.26 #       <Zagor> good :)
23.35.43 #       <Zagor> the xs200 and 220 has one less button. that makes it a bit difficult
23.38.14 #       <zeekoe> hi
23.38.21 #       <zeekoe> (oh no, that zeekoe whining again...)
23.38.23 #       <zeekoe> yup
23.38.24 #       <zeekoe> :P
23.38.44 #       <zeekoe> i got a patch of which i think it's ready to be commited
23.38.47 #       <zeekoe> what should i do?
23.38.59 #       <Zagor> is it in the patch tracker?
23.39.28 #       <zeekoe> yup
23.39.36 #       <zeekoe> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096793&group_id=44306&atid=439120
23.39.36 #       <Zagor> which patch is it?
23.40.01 #       <zeekoe> does only work for recorders though, i can't get the simbuilds working
23.40.39 #       <zeekoe> that is, if #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD is the correct syntax for recorder use
23.41.44 #       <Zagor> you shouldn't depend on a model, you should depend on a feature. do you require the recorder keypad?
23.42.04 #       <Zagor> remember we support many models, and more are coming
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23.42.32 #       <zeekoe> well, i load settings based upon F1, F2, F3 keys
23.42.32 #       <Zagor> i see in your patch you do actually depend on the recorder keypad. in that case, you are doing the right thing
23.42.37 #       <zeekoe> ok
23.42.59 #       <zeekoe> other players can have right/left config files though
23.43.12 #       <Zagor> however it is generally considered bad form to only support some models
23.43.46 #       <zeekoe> sounds logical
23.44.56 #       <Zagor> your patch adds this question unconditionally. it must be optional, controlled by a config option. not everyone will want to answer this question every boot.
23.44.58 #       <zeekoe> perhaps i should include a #if CONFIG_KEYPAD != RECORDER_PAD, with right/left config file loading.
23.45.11 #       <zeekoe> i thought of that
23.45.29 #       <zeekoe> if you don't have f1.cfg, etc files, behaviour isn't changed
23.46.00 #       <zeekoe> or isn't that enough?
23.46.45 #       <Zagor> that sounds fine, but I don't see such a condition in the patch
23.47.42 #       <zeekoe> if (!load_blah)
23.47.42 #       <zeekoe>    return false;
23.47.50 #       <zeekoe> that does the trick
23.47.58 #       <zeekoe> return false == exit the menu
23.49.56 #       <Zagor> i don't think we are reading the same patch. i'm looking at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=44306&atid=439120&file_id=114817&aid=1096793
23.50.50 #       <zeekoe> this was what i meant:
23.50.50 #       <zeekoe> +	        	if (!settings_load_config("/.rockbox/f1.cfg")) /* if impossible to load, */
23.50.51 #       <zeekoe> +	        		return false;                              /* then quit (as in don't resume) */
23.51.43 #       <Zagor> that condition is after you've prompted the user
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23.53.14 #       <zeekoe> so much for opera beta ;-)
23.53.24 #       <zeekoe> i'm not really prompting
23.53.55 #       <zeekoe> the menu text is added in the resume screen; if the resume screen is displayed, then this text is added
23.54.12 #       <zeekoe> so if a user has resume screen disabled, the text won't show
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23.55.31 #       <zeekoe> if the resume screen is shown, and user has no config files, then all works as before, except for a bit of text displayed at the bottom
23.55.50 #       <Zagor> yes, regardless if the files exist or not. also binding option config loading to the resume is rather illogical. what if I have no resume? i like the idea, but i think this solution is a bit too kludgy.
23.57.38 #       <zeekoe> so.. if i'd add an extra config option like 'show config load screen at startup', that would be better
23.58.00 #       <zeekoe> or perhaps as an alternative under the F2 or F3 buttons
23.58.32 #       <Zagor> f2/f3 patches are universally rejected, so don't do that :)
23.58.44 #       <zeekoe> ok :)