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00.00.02 #       <ashridah> perhaps not then
00.00.13 #       <Bagder> perhaps LinusN can make one
00.00.26 #       <Bagder> he doesn't do much anyway
00.00.28 #       * Bagder ducks
00.00.46 #       <LinusN> ooops, i just broke your recorder, Bagder 
00.00.51 #       <LinusN> :-)
00.01.01 #       <Bagder> LinusN is the best
00.01.10 #       <Bagder> now, did it heal? ;-)
00.01.18 #       <crash_> funny guys arent they ;)
00.01.53 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i just repaired it again
00.02.01 #       <Bagder> hahaha
00.03.26 #       <amiconn> Welcome back in iriver.com flash hell :-/
00.03.43 #       <Bagder> uuuh
00.04.16 #       <crash_> havent they put down infos about h1/h3xx  products ?
00.06.23 #       <amiconn> They are still there, at least on the global page
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00.07.52 #       <crash_> didnt see them
00.10.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm researching about the recording panic
00.10.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> plastering the code with more panics showed it rund out of directory descriptors
00.11.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> could that be?
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00.11.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or do we perhaps have a leak?
00.11.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (there's 8 descriptors)
00.12.27 #       <Bagder> sounds like a leak
00.12.56 #       <amiconn> crash_: http://www.iriver.com/html/product/prpa_product.asp?pidx=43 . Clicking through the avaliable images, the last one comes closest to what I am looking for.
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00.13.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn, are you prepping up the sim?
00.14.14 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: recording to /recordings or current dir?
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00.15.12 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I'll start working on the patch that uses different bitmaps for the targets. I want to do different lcd sizes also.
00.15.27 #       <crash_> amiconn: but you dont want to copy it?
00.15.35 #       <crash_> or too bad qualy ?
00.15.43 #       <amiconn> If all that works, I'll try adding Windows buttons for the buttons (additionally to the numpad keys)
00.15.44 #       <Bagder> I think you should drop the images
00.16.39 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Why?
00.16.50 #       <Bagder> they're just pointless
00.17.13 #       <Bagder> but if you want them, go ahead
00.17.14 #       <Stryke`> amiconn: http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/iriver_ihp120_prev_1_big.jpg
00.17.17 #       <amiconn> crash_: Still a bit low-res (even the "big" image), plus a bit distorted (no exact front view)
00.17.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think we really have a dir descriptor leak
00.17.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just inceased it to 10, still happens
00.18.47 #       <amiconn> Stryke`: _Much_ better, thanks! (Still a bit distorted, but nice resolution)
00.19.07 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Recording from where? FM? And why this does happen only on Ondio?
00.19.29 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: could it be the ondio filename generation?
00.19.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> FM from Ondio, yes.
00.19.50 #       <LinusN> the code that finds the next file number
00.19.53 #       <crash_> amiconn: what you exactly wanna do? cause you were speaking of buttons and such
00.20.20 #       <amiconn> I want to improve/ extend the Win32 simulator
00.20.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: perhaps
00.21.02 #       <crash_> ah
00.21.13 #       <amiconn> crash_: (1) Using the correct image per platform. (2) Using the correct lcd size. (3) Add real clickable buttons.
00.21.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> now where did I put that code?
00.21.45 #       <crash_> hmm but the buttons on the side will be a problem for the h1xx ?
00.22.09 #       <amiconn> Bagder: The image on its own is pointless. It is not when there are clickable buttons. Much more intuitive than the numpad keys, especially on a laptop...
00.22.43 #       <Bagder> true
00.23.05 #       <amiconn> crash_: In this case I have to (virtually) bend the side face forward....
00.23.23 #       <amiconn> This is also true for Ondio btw, where the On/Off button is located at the top
00.23.30 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: rec_create_filename() doesn't call closedir()
00.23.47 #       <Bagder> _that_ sounds like a leak
00.24.24 #       <amiconn> Stryke`: Maybe you do have a link to a side view (or side views) too? (Only sides that have buttons are needed)
00.25.36 #       <Stryke`> one sec
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00.26.44 #       <Stryke`> http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/iriver_ihp100_play_big.jpg
00.26.48 #       <Stryke`> http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/iriver_ihp100_rec_big.jpg
00.27.38 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: That also explains why it only happens on Ondio. The dir checking is only needed/used when there is no rtc...
00.28.29 #       <amiconn> Stryke`: Thanks, very nice!
00.28.37 #       <amiconn> Buttons on both sides, tsss...
00.29.39 #       <amiconn> Are those beasts available in different colours?
00.30.07 #       <Stryke`> thats the 100 which is silver, IIRC. the 120 is black (US) and champagne elsewhere
00.30.24 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
00.30.35 #       <Bagder> my 140 is black
00.30.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: thanks, that's it
00.30.44 #       <Stryke`> as is my 120
00.31.07 #       <crash_> amiconn: nice idea :)
00.33.05 #       <amiconn> Stryke`: Hmm. Now I'm facing the problem to combine different fron & side views? It seems this site is not searchable :( I get directory listing denied even for the root - obviously no index.html
00.33.23 #       <crash_> amiconn: maybe this helps you with the pics of Stryke` 
00.33.24 #       <crash_> http://www.tnt-audio.com/jpeg/iriver.jpg
00.34.37 #       <Stryke`> http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?object_id=573059&channel_id=192&page_title=iRiver+iHP-100+Preview&adString=network%3Dign%26site%3Dgear%26pagetype%3Dmedialist&return_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgear.ign.com%2Fobjects%2F573%2F573059.html
00.34.42 #       <Stryke`> http://mediaviewer.ign.com/mediaviewer.jsp?fromint=1&page_title=iRiver+iHP-120+Preview&channel_id=192&return_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgear.ign.com%2Fobjects%2F611%2F611888.html&adString=network%3Dign%26site%3Dgear%26pagetype%3Dmedialist&object_id=611888
00.34.56 #       <Stryke`> those two link to all pics, i believe
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00.51.52 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (voice ui) Linus suggested temporarily switching to mono while the voice is babbling, to avoid the bad side effect of karaoke mode. What do you think?
00.52.12 #       <amiconn> It should be easy to implement this.
00.55.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> possible, yes
00.56.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the queue runs empty in interrupt context, this is no good place to re-enable
00.56.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> dir and file clips are then forced to mono, too
00.57.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> even if they could be stereo
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00.57.50 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: i wish the uartboot flash procedure had some more error handling
00.57.51 #       <amiconn> Then it could be set to simple stereo instead of mono. Would have the same effect with (mono) voice
00.57.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we can switch back to stereo when the buffer is claimed back
00.58.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, what errors are you facing?
00.58.43 #       <LinusN> the flashing fails somehow
00.58.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I never had that
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00.59.04 #       <LinusN> so one or more pins are probably not soldered correctly
00.59.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in the middle of the action?
00.59.21 #       <LinusN> uart_boot.exe says nothing
00.59.24 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Imho this is not a good idea. Maybe a plugin (which does not need the mp3 buffer) plays a clip afterwards. This would then play with the modified setting still in effect
01.00.09 #       <LinusN> it just says "Flashing file blabla" and then exits after a long while
01.00.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm
01.00.50 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I already looked at it a bit, there seems to be only one place where the voice is started: within queue_clip().
01.00.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> con you tie a scope to rx/tx to look for traffic?
01.00.52 #       <LinusN> dumping the flash gives different contents after each flash attempt though
01.01.13 #       <LinusN> the serial connection works
01.01.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: correct
01.01.22 #       <LinusN> it downloads minimon correctly
01.02.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with the scopy, I don't mean to watch bits, just the activity
01.02.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> scope
01.02.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to see if it starts flashing
01.02.47 #       <LinusN> it does something, since the flash contents change
01.03.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this sounds no good
01.03.08 #       <LinusN> at least if i can trust the dump
01.03.43 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: But there is more than one place that stops playback. Plus, at least one is called in interrupt, which forbids simply calling mpeg_sound_set() to reset the config.
01.04.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, try flashing a file with 0 bytes
01.04.23 #       <LinusN> good idea
01.04.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that should leave th flash erased
01.05.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the dump should be all FF then, reproduceable
01.06.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Andi had a shorted address line, maybe you have a floating pin?
01.06.08 #       <LinusN> hehe, no erase
01.06.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ?
01.06.38 #       <LinusN> it wasn't erased
01.06.43 #       <LinusN> contents unchanged
01.06.54 #       <LinusN> after flashing the 0-byte file
01.07.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe it doesn't start with 0 byte
01.07.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> try 1 byte
01.07.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (slowly working our way up to 256K)
01.10.25 #       <amiconn> It should erase with a zero byte file...
01.11.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, true, just checked the code
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01.12.08 #       <amiconn> May it be the command is different for different chip brands?
01.12.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> only SST fits, afaik
01.14.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we never found a different brand ID
01.24.29 #       <LinusN> success!
01.24.41 #       <LinusN> two pins were shorted
01.24.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what did you do?
01.24.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
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01.41.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN, just out of curiosity: what was your method of holding the LCD pins down?
01.41.27 #       <LinusN> a switch
01.41.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> at the pullup array, or where?
01.42.02 #       <LinusN> yes
01.42.10 #       <LinusN> from your description
01.45.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with the cut PCB trace?
01.45.30 #       <LinusN> yup
01.47.53 #       <LinusN> time to sleep
01.48.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sleep well
01.49.11 #       <LinusN> cu tomorrow, folks
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02.08.20 #       <amiconn> Sleep time too.
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09.03.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi there
09.03.34 #       <LinusN> hi
09.07.50 #       <crash_> hi LinusN hi [IDC]Dragon 
09.09.00 #       <LinusN> hi
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09.14.43 #       <LinusN> morning Zagor
09.15.41 #       <Zagor> morning
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10.11.12 #       <pike> this just cracks me up every friggin time: http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050106/i/r106445767.jpg
10.11.26 #       <pike> seems gates is "loosening up" his image a bit
10.12.51 #       <Zagor> what's funny about it?
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10.13.11 #       <pike> it reminds me of a fanboy
10.13.56 #       <Zagor> well, he just managed to make iriver depend on windows. i'd be happy too if i was him.
10.14.51 #       <pike> O.o
10.14.55 #       <LinusN> Bagder: read the logs?
10.15.04 #       <Bagder> no
10.15.31 #       <ashridah> pike: yeah. sod's made the n10 and h10 require WMP apparently
10.15.36 #       <LinusN> your jukebox is now flashable
10.15.46 #       <Bagder> ah
10.15.48 #       <Bagder> great!
10.15.53 #       <Bagder> you're the king!
10.16.04 #       <ashridah> i'd be seriously ticked if i was in the market to buy one of those. i'd probably turn to the mp3 player a friend of mine found that has mp3, ogg and flac support if i was
10.16.05 #       <LinusN> but the backlight is still green...
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10.17.06 #       <Bagder> LinusN: you up to do the backlight mod too, or is it too much work?
10.17.18 #       <Bagder> I can live with green
10.18.03 #       <LinusN> i will do the backlight mod too, i want to document it in the wiki
10.18.17 #       <Bagder> ok, cool
10.19.34 #       <LinusN> my compliments to [IDC]Dragon for the uart boot hack/docs
10.20.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thanks, but especially the docs leave a lot to be desired...
10.21.18 #       <pike> you ever done any hw mods for archos players?
10.21.22 #       <LinusN> sure, but i managed to do it by reading the docs
10.21.46 #       <Bagder> pike: this bunch has made quite a lot of mods
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10.22.29 #       <pike> wonder if a USBOTG hw mod for iriver is possible, or if it's too advanced
10.22.43 #       <pike> sw, you guys manage so that wouldnt be a problem ;)
10.23.00 #       <Bagder> that would mean replacing the USB chip
10.23.41 #       <Bagder> you'd need to find a replacement that would fit
10.23.47 #       <Bagder> I doubt that is easy
10.24.08 #       <Bagder> then again, I'm not a hw person
10.26.36 #       <LinusN> i'd say that it isn't possible
10.28.31 #       <pike> you ever saw a h320 in teh "nude" ?
10.28.44 #       <pike> it has it (or so I read)
10.28.58 #       <LinusN> see the rockbox forum
10.29.00 #       <Bagder> http://medulla.co.uk/images/H340/
10.29.39 #       <pike> so pcb layout isnt similar at all ?
10.29.48 #       <LinusN> nope
10.30.14 #       <LinusN> afaik, the H3xx has two usb chips
10.31.31 #       <ashridah> that's interesting. does the H1xx have that blue padding?
10.34.55 #       <LinusN> the h100 padding is black
10.36.08 #       <ashridah> aha
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10.46.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> bbl
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11.28.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I found anice example on how C is cool:
11.28.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://research.microsoft.com/~tball/papers/XmasGift/
11.32.02 #       <LinusN> very KISS indeed :-)
11.34.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and incredible compression
11.37.13 #       <ashridah> rofl.
11.37.32 #       <LinusN> speaking about compression and obfuscated c contest: http://www.ioccc.org/1993/lmfjyh.hint
11.37.44 #       <LinusN> absolutely hilarious
11.40.30 #       <ashridah> uh. that isn't going to bypass quotas.
11.40.43 #       <ashridah> since any half-decent quota system is going to include the size of the directory, surely
11.42.44 #       <ashridah> hrm. any block based filesystem is going to allocate a block for each file probably, too.
11.44.05 #       <LinusN> that's the point of the joke
11.45.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with NTFS, small files are actually stored in the directory, in order not to allocate a full block
11.45.15 #       <ashridah> aah.
11.45.24 #       <ashridah> interesting
11.45.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> other "modern" file systems may do similar
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12.13.43 #       <amiconn> Yes there are some. Even the Novell Netware 4.x file system (which dates back to 1995) does a similar trick.
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12.15.11 #       <amiconn> It uses block sub-allocation, i.e. can divide individual clusters into sectors to store the  tails of several files.
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13.02.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> file systems are a science, I reckon
13.04.31 #       <Zagor> indeed
13.06.31 #       <Lynx_> do you guys know of any software mp3 player/plugin that has a similar effect of the MDB?
13.09.20 #       <LinusN> nope
13.10.24 #       <Lynx_> LinusN: From your short description it sounds like it's nothing secret that one couldn't do for a plugin...
13.10.46 #       <pike> MDB ?
13.11.13 #       <LinusN> it isn't trivial, and is probably patented to death
13.11.14 #       <Lynx_> micronas dynamic bass
13.11.27 #       <Lynx_> LinusN: hmm, that could be...
13.12.38 #       <pike> dfx for winamp maybe ?
13.14.00 #       <Lynx_> pike: hmm, forgot about that, i'll check it out..
13.15.00 #       <LinusN> "booming hyperbass"
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13.22.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: was the rombox only using 2 MB always?
13.22.37 #       <amiconn> yup. 
13.22.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> oh
13.23.13 #       <Lynx_> hmm, the dfx hyperbass does not really have a great effect...
13.23.18 #       <amiconn> And this would have even caused with the plugins, because there would have been loaded at a different address than they were linked to
13.23.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I didn't notice, don't use rombox any more since Linus placed the interrupt vectors into rom
13.24.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (which breaks my Alpine CD changer emulator plugin)
13.24.04 #       <LinusN> i did?
13.24.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I thought so, yes...
13.25.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's a reasonable thing, but broke my "hack" to bend vectors
13.25.20 #       <LinusN> weren't they always in rom?
13.25.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I deliberately kept them in ram, in my first version
13.25.57 #       <pike> Lynx_ http://www.winamp.com/plugins/browse.php?ctype=P&category=5
13.28.26 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon:  Why do you need to bend vectors?
13.28.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because we have no clean interface to hijack the serial
13.28.54 #       <LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: as far as i can see, the vectors are in the DRAM segment in rom.lds
13.29.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are they? then perhaps just the location changed
13.29.35 #       <LinusN> the very first version of rom.lds also had it like that
13.29.47 #       <LinusN> just move the vbr and you're set
13.30.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I observed that it crashes, didn't properly research
13.30.31 #       <LinusN> there might be a bug somewhere, but the intention is to have them in ram
13.31.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which is a tiny waste
13.31.31 #       <LinusN> yeah, probably 0.001 seconds of mp3 audio
13.31.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll look into refurbishing my plugin
13.32.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> use the vbr for calculation instead of hard coded addresses
13.32.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if in rom, I could even copy the table and bend the vbr
13.33.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (reeaally dirty)
13.33.51 #       <amiconn> Or simply add an interface to hook into the serial. You did this for the timer...
13.34.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but here the useis even more limited
13.34.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ...use is...
13.35.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I need a few vectors, not just one, iirc
13.36.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but it's good that we talked about it
13.38.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how about putting that plugin into cvs?
13.40.03 #       <LinusN> sure, why not?
13.40.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> because there are <5 people using it
13.41.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which may be because almost nobody knows about it
13.41.12 #       <LinusN> i bet it is more popular than "bounce" anyway
13.41.30 #       <Zagor> :)
13.41.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, we have some useful ones  ;-)
13.44.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ahem, I declare my plugin as code police free zone
13.44.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> declared
13.44.12 #       <dwihno> Any of you guys know anyone with a Shuttle-based computer?
13.44.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> would have to change that
13.45.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mainly C99-style comments
13.46.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and a typedef
13.47.46 #       <amiconn> Probably also CamelCase function names?
13.47.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sure
13.48.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, actually no
13.48.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I obviously compromized on that
13.49.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but personally, I consider uppercase letters a cultural achievement
13.50.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> <pun> unix users haven't invented/found the shift key yet </pun>
13.51.38 #       <Zagor> :)
13.51.51 #       <ashridah> bah. XFree86 has been putting a command with the shift key into unixalikes for years.
13.52.18 #       <ashridah> (admittedly, it took me until X to find one :)
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14.18.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you're using a VNC client/server, sometimes?
14.19.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I tried it at home, but it feels sluggish, even over WLAN
14.19.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (RealVNC, that is)
14.19.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is there any better?
14.21.45 #       <Bagder> a note about c99: consider efforts like Dave Jones' - we may want to work with non C99 compilers
14.22.01 #       <Bagder> thus, C89 comments is generally better
14.22.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Dave Jones?
14.22.19 #       <Bagder> 8051-Dave
14.22.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
14.23.24 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: No VNC, but Microsoft RDP (WinXP Remote Desktop). Way faster than VNC.
14.23.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that locks the console completly, doesn't it?
14.25.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is the clientincluded in WinXP home?
14.27.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> here I give you some extra spaces to fill in the places where I miss them: "                                 " (should be enough for a while)
14.28.53 #       <crash_> [IDC]Dragon: yes it it
14.29.06 #       <crash_> and i think its much faster than vnc
14.34.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can I do something about the console locking?
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14.37.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> TightVNC looks interesting, too
14.41.51 #       <crash_> what you mean with console locking?
14.44.29 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: buy windows 2004 server ;-)
14.44.47 #       <crash_> doenst your windowmanager has a hotkey/run feature to just start a app ?
14.45.00 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: (1) The local console is locked (even invisible) as long as you are connected via RDP
14.46.42 #       <amiconn> (2) The client should be included with XP home. In fact, the client is available for free. It support all Win32 versions
14.46.49 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: you may also want to look at ultr@vnc
14.46.58 #       <Lynx_> it supports file transfer
14.47.43 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: and os x and even linux is available
14.49.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Lynx_: thanks, will try
14.50.25 #       <Lynx_> but rdp really is much better (and can also be tunneled over ssh)
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14.53.20 #       <MooMaunder> Lynx: VNC can be tunneled also, I use it to connect to my PC at home from work. The only prob I see with VNC is with fast user switching
14.54.32 #       <amiconn> (3) TightVNC is still way slower than RDP
14.55.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any word on ultr@vnc?
14.55.29 #       <Lynx_> MooMaunder: yes, that's what i meant by 'also'
14.56.05 #       <MooMaunder> Oooopps....should have read it properly!! :-(
14.56.19 #       <amiconn> It isn't necessary to tunnel RDP via SSH, because RDP is encrypted (unlike VNC)
14.56.26 #       <Lynx_> MooMaunder: the fast user switching can be a prob indeed, depending on the vnc distribution i had varying results with getting the login screen displayed (with vnc server running as a service, of course)
14.57.00 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: yes, i have to tunnel it because of firewall restrictions
14.57.05 #       <MooMaunder> Yeah, I either get an error msg or sometime it won't even connect at all
14.57.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd need an http interface to use it from work
14.57.33 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: Hmm, now i remember there was even a way to change the listening port on the server though, i have not tried that yet
14.57.55 #       <MooMaunder> I tunnel as I like the extra layer of protection that the SSH login gives me, instead of having a raw VNC or RDP on the internet
14.58.01 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: the vnc's provide one... at least real does
14.58.49 #       <amiconn> Yes, you can change the port (default: 3389) both on the client (very easy, just add :<port> after the server name) and on the server (requires changing a registry key)
14.59.45 #       <MooMaunder> [IDC]Dragon: you could try ssl explorer...http://www.sshtools.com/products/enterprise/ssl-explorer/ssl-explorer.jsp
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14.59.56 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: but the network admins here probably would not be to happy to find rdp on the only port they dare to open ;)
15.00.43 #       <MooMaunder> Lynx_ that last msg was actually meant for you... oh the shame of it!!
15.01.22 #       <Lynx_> MooMaunder: thx, but currently i'm happy with rdp
15.02.09 #       <MooMaunder> I meant for SSL tunneling of your rdp
15.02.44 #       <Lynx_> i read an article in one of the latest c't magazines about a remote desktop software that supposedly allows mulitple users to login to one xp prof machine (!) but forgot to check it out.
15.02.51 #       <amiconn> MooMaunder: With VNC, I'd rather use an additional encryption layer, because VNC itself does not encrypt. That's not necessary with RDP
15.02.59 #       <Lynx_> MooMaunder: i tunnel it through ssh
15.05.22 #       <MooMaunder> So do I, but a couple of my colleagues use the SSL explorer... I suupose it just allows connections from companys only allowing http and https
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15.24.56 #       <amiconn> Lynx_: (file transfer) RDP does also allow to map the client's drives to the server
15.30.26 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: ah, how does that work?
15.32.59 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: found it, thx for the tip
15.33.12 #       <ripnetuk> have you tried nx? its a x-windows compressor, which makes X /almost/ as fast as rdp
15.38.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what happened to yesterday's IRC log? IE shows the text without line breaks
15.39.47 #       <LinusN> perhaps there were some foreign characters in it, and IE decided that it isn't a text file?
15.40.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> interesting behaviour
15.40.29 #       <LinusN> mozilla has a similar approach
15.40.42 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: you really don't have an ideal working enviroment, only http, ie as a browser...;)
15.40.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm not into web technology, but doesn't it come with a mime type or such?
15.40.57 #       <LinusN> it's because too many web servers say it's text when it isn't
15.41.11 #       <LinusN> (mime type)
15.41.49 #       <LinusN> (or rather content type)
15.42.40 #       <LinusN> time to go
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15.44.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Lynx_: cripplenet, yes
15.45.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the most annoying is the blocked SSH port
15.45.40 #       <Lynx_> does ssh not work over port 80 somehow?
15.46.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with special configured counterpart perhaps
15.46.53 #       <Lynx_> hmm, i guess you would have to be able to control the server
15.47.14 #       <ripnetuk> or another server that can forward port 80 to the ssh server port 22
15.47.47 #       <Lynx_> ripnetuk: hmm, and because it's encrypted you would not even have to trust the forwarding server, i guess
15.47.56 #       <ripnetuk> yeah
15.48.01 #       <ripnetuk> i would guess the same
15.48.54 #       <ripnetuk> of course, your work (or whereever) must allow direct connections out to port 80, and not be going via a proxy server
15.49.38 #       <Lynx_> ripnetuk: unless you can use the inhouse proxy to do the tunneling...
15.49.51 #       <Lynx_> s/tunneling/forwarding/
15.50.08 #       <ripnetuk> i guess
15.50.13 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: http://www.jfranken.de/homepages/johannes/vortraege/ssh3.de.html
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15.52.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I'm not messing around with such, to avoid "company jail"
15.53.23 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: good reason ;)
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15.59.19 #       <c0g0> hey now i have one more question for this channel :D
16.00.07 #       <c0g0> i wonder what kind of codecs are in mpeg4 eima adpcm ?
16.00.14 #       <c0g0> is that like mpeg4 sp?
16.00.19 #       * kurzhaarrocker shrugs
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16.00.28 #       <c0g0> hehe k...
16.00.51 #       <c0g0> cause its on the specs on the datex pavio
16.01.05 #       <c0g0> if anyone knows please let me know :D
16.01.19 #       <Lynx_> c0g0: no idea...try #xvid
16.04.57 #       <c0g0> thx ;D
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16.13.47 #       <dwihno> yay for proxies!
16.13.49 #       <dwihno> and tunnels
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16.51.15 #       <Lynx_> dwihno: yay for open proxies in taiwan ;)
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16.52.22 #       <dwihno> Lynx: hehu
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17.46.42 #       <webguest18> Hi there!
17.47.19 #       <webguest18> is the rockbox firmware compatible with the Archos Jukebox Multimedia 20?
17.48.09 #       <webguest18> anyone there? ;)
17.50.20 #       <webguest18> please help me!
17.52.43 #       <oxygen77> I don't think it is
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17.53.00 #       <oxygen77> as it is not stated in the rockboxx website
17.53.17 #       <webguest18> hmm
17.53.29 #       <webguest18> and is it right that it only has usb1.1 ?
17.53.48 #       <oxygen77> in linav project we are currently on porting it to the jbm
17.54.08 #       <oxygen77> yes, usb1
17.54.40 #       <webguest18> have the sollution ;)
17.54.55 #       <oxygen77> ?
17.55.08 #       <webguest18> found on the archos webpage the Jukebox Recorder 20
17.55.19 #       <webguest18> for only 200%u20AC ;)
17.55.25 #       <webguest18> 200 Euro..
17.55.32 #       <oxygen77> k
17.55.38 #       <webguest18> it supports the rockbox firmware right?
17.55.45 #       <oxygen77> yup
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17.56.03 #       <webguest18> cool!
17.56.22 #       <oxygen77> 200 euro is a bit high no?
17.56.36 #       <webguest18> is it?
17.56.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not really
17.56.53 #       <webguest18> what is the normal price?
17.56.59 #       <oxygen77> you can find jbm at this price
17.57.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> considering it's a collectors' item meanwhile
17.57.14 #       <webguest18> what?
17.57.16 #       <oxygen77> hehe
17.57.30 #       <webguest18> whats jbm?
17.58.00 #       <oxygen77>  Jukebox Multimedia
17.58.03 #       <webguest18> have the creative jukebox with 6GB and searching for a new player..
17.58.17 #       <webguest18> have you got a link?
17.58.27 #       <oxygen77> ebay ?
17.58.51 #       <webguest18> and how much do you pay for it?
17.59.12 #       <webguest18> ah...now i understand ;)
17.59.23 #       <webguest18> it was the device a first was talking about!
17.59.31 #       <webguest18> its shit...
17.59.31 #       <oxygen77> yup
17.59.42 #       <oxygen77> what? the device?
17.59.43 #       <webguest18> only usb1.1 and doesnt support rockbox
17.59.56 #       <webguest18> yes ;)
18.00.05 #       <oxygen77> is the recorder usb2 ?
18.00.11 #       <webguest18> yes
18.00.14 #       <oxygen77> k
18.00.51 #       <webguest18> i think 200 Euro for a new device is the best price i can get
18.03.21 #       <webguest18> do you now how long i can use the batteries?
18.03.27 #       <webguest18> with the Jukebox Recorder 20
18.04.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Huygens has apparently landed
18.04.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the ESA site is overloaded
18.05.04 #       <Lynx_> loads fast for me
18.07.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then it may be a bad link
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18.07.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I get an error page instead of the front article
18.08.18 #       <Lynx_> i am here: http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/index.html
18.08.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Europe reaches new frontier %u2013 Huygens lands on Titan   Full story ->
18.08.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, there it works
18.09.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you got a better mirror
18.11.08 #       <Lynx_> esa.de redirects to esa.int...
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18.11.36 #       <Lynx_> 7 year journey, quite some time...
18.12.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the text reads a bit raw, with notes to the publisher
18.14.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, no mention yet about what they found
18.14.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just confirming that it properly got there
18.20.10 #       <Lynx_> pics are for later ;)
18.20.11 #       <Lynx_> bye
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18.44.58 #       <dcran> am I reading correctly??? Did LinusN actually get the bootloader working? However with a green backlight?
18.45.11 #       <dcran> on the H120?
18.45.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, that was a RecV1 operation
18.45.59 #       <dcran> darn
18.48.09 #       <preglow> you nearly made me swallow my tongue, here
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18.48.51 #       <dcran> heh I know, 
18.49.46 #       <dcran> its almost sad that we are waited with baited breath in an IRC channel for a bootloader for an mp3 player
18.49.56 #       <dcran> waited/waiting
18.50.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't  ;-)
18.50.50 #       <preglow> hell no, this'll be the bootloader of the century
18.51.03 #       <preglow> there will be celebrations in the streets
18.51.44 #       <dcran> think it will have any similarities to the falling of the berlin wall?
18.52.57 #       <preglow> there will be obvious similarities
18.53.17 #       <dcran> lots of drunk germans??? ;)
18.53.31 #       <preglow> haha
18.53.33 #       <preglow> let's hope so
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19.17.12 #       <Tang> Hello :)
19.20.17 #       <preglow> hi
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19.37.38 #       <Tang> Hi preglow
19.37.42 #       <Tang> :)
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20.43.29 #       <Yokalosh> Hi, Amiconn you know alot about RVF
20.43.42 #       <Yokalosh> You can't help me with a question can you?
20.44.29 #       <amiconn> I can try...
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20.48.00 #       <Yokalosh> Well, is there supposed to be a flashyness to my videos?
20.49.28 #       <amiconn> What do you mean?
20.49.52 #       <amiconn> The video playback does look a bit grainy, especially if the unit gets warm.
20.49.59 #       <Yokalosh> When i am watching the videos they pixelate sometimes seemingly flashing
20.50.07 #       <Yokalosh> Ok
20.50.21 #       <Yokalosh> So mainly when it is charging?
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20.51.21 #       <Yokalosh> Secondly why is there a weird line that runs up and down the screen when veiwing pictures and videos
20.51.22 #       <amiconn> Yokalosh: yes.
20.52.16 #       <amiconn> This line is caused by the interference of the internal refresh rate of the lcd and the frame rate.
20.52.38 #       <Yokalosh> Ok, anyway to solve this?
20.52.56 #       <amiconn> Unfortunately, it is not possible to synchronize the frame transfer to the internal refresh rate, and the latter is temperature dependent.
20.53.18 #       <Yokalosh> Ok, thanks
20.53.20 #       <amiconn> So it's unavoidable, unfortunately.
20.53.47 #       <Yokalosh> And just a totally random question cause you seem like you might know, how do i use cPanel?
20.53.55 #       <Yokalosh> Lol
20.55.28 #       <amiconn> What is cPanel?
20.57.50 #       <Yokalosh> Its the er thing on the net used for making sites
21.00.17 #       <Yokalosh> Don't worry about it if you don't know what i mean
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21.15.27 #       <crash_> maybe try mambo if cpanel is too complicated
21.19.45 #       <Yokalosh> Cool
21.20.08 #       <Yokalosh> But i have space on this server somewhere and the site i have to upload from uses cPanel
21.23.52 #       <Yokalosh> :(
21.24.12 #       <Yokalosh> I will need to learn it someday cos freewebs is rubbish
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