--- Log for 18.01.105  Server: zelazny.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.08.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> building the db from cygwin places a /cygdrive/e/ in front of all
00.08.49 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: use --strip
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00.09.51 #       <amiconn> "No playing implemented yet", hmm.
00.09.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see
00.17.22 #       <jyp> I'm currently replacing ints by longs in fat.c ...
00.17.39 #       <jyp> Have you changed alot in there [IDC]Dragon ?
00.18.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not after cvs
00.18.54 #       <jyp> m'kay
00.18.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or, not outside of cvs
00.19.17 #       <jyp> Is it in a snapshot ?
00.19.43 #       <Bagder> jyp: you're not using cvs ?
00.20.05 #       <jyp> I'm using my own repo.
00.20.20 #       <amiconn> Zagor: The perl from the wiki *is* ActiveState perl
00.20.49 #       <Zagor> really? ok
00.20.56 #       <Bagder> jyp: sounds awkward to me
00.21.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> --strip didn't work for me - am I not supposed to name the common part there?
00.21.09 #       <amiconn> yup
00.21.09 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: yes
00.21.11 #       <jyp> Bagder: ... working on a local copy is not practicable
00.21.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I still have those /cygdrive/e/ in there...
00.22.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> perl songdb.pl --path /cygdrive/e --strip /cygdrive/e
00.22.23 #       <jyp> I already lost my files trying to do that last week 
00.22.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> correct?
00.22.45 #       <Bagder> jyp: you could have a private one to work in plus a common one
00.22.46 #       <Zagor> yes
00.23.03 #       <Bagder> then you'd easier stay up to date and easier do good patches
00.23.20 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Looks correct, only that I didn't use "perl" in front.
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00.24.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> trying again...
00.24.41 #       <jyp> There's the cvs import vendor sources ...
00.24.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I should run it on a subdir
00.25.33 #       <jyp> ... but it whines when trying to import directly from another repository
00.27.16 #       <Bagder> I didn't mean 'cvs import'
00.27.23 #       <Bagder> but I won't tell you what to do
00.27.28 #       <Bagder> it's your call
00.28.16 #       <jyp> I'm actually intersted in advices...
00.28.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> jyp: much easier with a "moving target"
00.28.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can automatically update your sources with our changes, so stay up to date
00.29.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and then make a patch from it which diffs against the current version automagically
00.29.57 #       <jyp> Yes, but I need to have a working repository
00.30.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> once check out our source tree, yes
00.30.21 #       <jyp> for saving work & sharing it
00.30.40 #       <Bagder> I think jyp means that he has too many too big changes to just do 'cvs up'
00.30.55 #       <jyp> What I really need is a distributed source control system
00.30.58 #       <Bagder> ... which in itself is the problem
00.31.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, and they want to share that branch
00.31.08 #       <jyp> a la dracs
00.31.10 #       <jyp> darcs
00.31.32 #       <Bagder> or just use a branch
00.32.01 #       <Bagder> for experimenting, then merging to HEAD for deploy
00.32.06 #       <jyp> Yup, that would solve the problem
00.32.23 #       <amiconn> ID3 browsing also works on the player; only the files get the wrong icon (they also get the folder icon)
00.32.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hey, my first working db :-)
00.34.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the track display is nicer, with no numbers in front of it
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00.35.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> too bad Zagor jumped off
00.35.41 #       <amiconn> I wonder how to build a db for the Ondio. Getting this right would need more than 1 db file...
00.36.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> haha, a db for a flash player
00.36.41 #       <amiconn> :-)
00.36.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> insert card #35, hit play
00.38.07 #       <amiconn> Well, with upcoming 2 GB cards...
00.40.00 #       <jyp> re. the db format, etc...
00.40.33 #       <jyp> Archos has its own format for gminis
00.41.25 #       <jyp> (I'm not using it, just mentioning)
00.41.38 #       <jyp> ... and there's this project ...
00.41.42 #       <jyp> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jbmgen/
00.41.59 #       <jyp> to generate compatible dbs
00.42.11 #       <jyp> (never tryied it)
00.42.37 #       <Bagder> you'll soon be able to use the Rockbox one! ;-)
00.42.58 #       <jyp> Hopefully ,)
00.43.15 #       <jyp> There's still alot to do though ;)
00.43.21 #       <Bagder> yes
00.43.31 #       <Bagder> how's the ATA going? does it work?
00.43.42 #       <jyp> ATA seems to work perfect
00.43.52 #       <Bagder> neat
00.44.11 #       <jyp> the int size in fat is now the problem
00.44.24 #       <Bagder> ok
00.44.25 #       <jyp> so disk is not so accessible
00.46.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> now I got a full db
00.46.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> scrolling is (way) slower than the key repeat, causing a lag
00.48.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> now I see all the double interprets, cause by different spelling
00.48.46 #       <Bagder> I can see how that will be a FAQ very quickly
00.50.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I "smell" lots of user issues
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10.18.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> good morning!
10.19.20 #       <LinusN> mooning
10.19.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sunning
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10.35.21 #       <Bagder> I mailed jyp and offered him CVS access
10.35.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok
10.36.11 #       * LinusN should commit hit iriver ATA patch before jyp
10.36.18 #       <Bagder> hehe
10.36.21 #       <LinusN> it is major
10.36.27 #       <Bagder> ok
10.36.31 #       <Bagder> then you really should
10.36.39 #       <Bagder> btw, check it for int/long issues too
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10.36.58 #       <LinusN> well, it really doesn't matter who commits first
10.37.01 #       <Bagder> we should also get a CalmRISC16 gcc installed
10.37.13 #       <Bagder> so that we can do proper gmini-builds for the cvs table
10.37.27 #       <LinusN> one of us will have a helluva lot of work to resolve the conflicts
10.37.45 #       <amiconn> raining ;) (at least in Berlin)
10.37.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's why you want to go first ;-)
10.38.01 #       <Zagor> the #gmemu topic talks about a 3.4.3 gcc for calmrisc
10.38.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> here too
10.38.19 #       <Zagor> sounds a lot nicer than that 2.97
10.38.24 #       <Bagder> indeed
10.38.28 #       <Bagder> 2.97 sounds scary to me
10.40.56 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Did you notice - db browsing broke resume :(
10.44.02 #       <Zagor> yeah, i'll fix that today
10.44.50 #       <amiconn> The correct icons for the player was an easy addition
10.45.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: did you get a _norom player dump?
10.46.28 #       <amiconn> Not yet; that's why I posted the request in the forum
10.46.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, saw that, so no response yet.
10.47.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> can you forward it to me then?
10.49.18 #       <amiconn> Of course.
10.51.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> before releasing, I'd like to check it a bit with the simulator
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10.57.39 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: You have an archos simulator?
10.57.56 #       <LinusN> lauterbach sh simulator, is suppose
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11.02.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that one
11.17.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ony trace of Stevie-O ?
11.17.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> any
11.17.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> he seemed to have vanished from this planet
11.18.11 #       <Bagder> he vanished
11.18.22 #       <Bagder> without passing on what he had done so far
11.18.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with his promising simulator :-(
11.18.31 #       <Bagder> yeah
11.24.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> email bounces...
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11.25.09 #       <quelsaruk> hi
11.25.12 #       <quelsaruk> good morning
11.25.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I vaguely remember he gave me a different one, but that fell down the 3-month ledge of my freemail account
11.26.15 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm... why deutsch.lang has different strings than english.lang? 
11.26.38 #       <quelsaruk> souldn't all languages have the same strings in the same position than english.lang??
11.27.02 #       <Bagder> the order is only important in english.lang
11.27.28 #       <quelsaruk> oh
11.28.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> which doesn't incline you should make a mess from it ;-)
11.28.20 #       <quelsaruk> can't i?
11.28.23 #       <quelsaruk> damn!
11.28.24 #       <quelsaruk> :D
11.28.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> german was horrible when I picked it up
11.28.45 #       <Bagder> in fact, uplang _could_ be fixed to output all the translated strings in the same order the english one has them
11.28.51 #       <quelsaruk> and now is even worse?? ;)
11.29.07 #       <Bagder> time to go, see ya around
11.29.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hehe, now Jens was at it
11.29.18 #       <quelsaruk> i can say that spanish lang has the same order than english
11.29.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I needed some order again, to give it a voice
11.35.46 #       <amiconn> I didn't touch the order...
11.37.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no, I was joking
11.37.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> when I first introduced german voice, I had to sort out the file big time
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12.49.25 #       <Zagor> hmm, i can't repeat the resume problem anymore. can you amiconn?
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13.20.53 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I can't try it atm. Though I could compile, I don't have my A-A cable with me..
13.24.31 #       <Zagor> ok
13.26.50 #       <amiconn> You didn't change anything... so I have current cvs running on my box.
13.27.14 #       <amiconn> The resume problem is definitely there, I tried it more than once.
13.28.10 #       <amiconn> It stores the resume position on stop. When you hit On, then Play, it tries to resume, but then doesn't start playing. It says "End of playlist", then stops.
13.35.50 #       <Zagor> works for me :(
13.37.01 #       <amiconn> Do you have uncommitted changes?
13.37.06 #       <Zagor> no
13.37.11 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
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14.26.55 #       <Quel|away> hmmm
14.26.58 #       <Quel|away> by the way
14.27.21 #       <Quel|away> shouldn't rockbox spell especial chars?
14.27.35 #       <Quel|away> like spanish *ñ*
14.28.02 #       <Zagor> you mean in voice mode?
14.29.22 #       <Quel|away> yups
14.29.49 #       <Quel|away> a lang_char_ñ :D
14.29.52 #       <Quel|away> and so on
14.30.01 #       <Quel|away> if it's going to spell a word
14.30.10 #       <Quel|away> must know how to spell it properly
14.30.12 #       <Zagor> it's difficult to fit all chars in ram
14.30.18 #       <Quel|away> i know
14.30.23 #       <Quel|away> too many chars
14.30.24 #       <Quel|away> :)
14.30.58 #       <Zagor> i think it should rather fall back and spell the closest ascii char
14.31.00 #       <ashridah> god, i really need to fix up my gateway, all i saw then was �
14.31.24 #       <ashridah> bloody thing has broken unicode
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14.34.56 #       <dwihno> When replacing a heatsink, what do you recommend to get rid of the old paste?
14.35.17 #       <LinusN> a hammer
14.35.59 #       <LinusN> or nail polish
14.37.55 #       <Quel|away> hammer
14.37.57 #       <Quel|away> :)
14.38.13 #       <Quel|away> oh... and goat's blood
14.38.18 #       <Quel|away> ;)
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14.45.21 #       <ashridah> dwihno: light buffing with sandpaper. 
14.48.42 #       <Zagor> ow
14.54.51 #       <Zagor> dwihno: "Thermal pads can be scraped off with a plastic tool that will not scratch the bottom then the remnants can be removed with a xylene based cleaner, (Goof Off and some carburetor cleaners) acetone, mineral spirits, or high-purity isopropyl alcohol." -- http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
14.57.23 #       <dwihno> aah
14.57.41 #       <dwihno> thermal goo!
14.57.44 #       <dwihno> free goo!
15.00.13 #       <dwihno> thanks Zagor
15.00.21 #       <dwihno> I owe you kebab, starka såsen på.
15.00.26 #       <Zagor> :)
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15.48.35 #       <Bruno> Hi all
15.48.46 #       <Bagder> hi
15.49.46 #       <Bruno> how is the developement of the boot for iriver ? Progresing?
15.53.28 #       <Zagor> no news at this moment
15.54.26 #       <Zagor> whee, now I can browse infinitely long tables
15.56.18 #       <Lynx_> Zagor: getting rockbox ready for future storage media? ;)
15.56.36 #       <Zagor> :)
15.56.38 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I'm already thinking of a db creation plugin...
15.56.52 #       <Zagor> i guessed you would ;)
15.56.59 #       <Lynx_> amiconn: i'd rather have someone port perl to the box ;)
15.57.06 #       <Bagder> haha
15.57.12 #       <Bagder> a perl-plugin!
15.58.30 #       <LinusN> Bruno: everyone is waiting for me to finish the boot loader
15.58.37 #       <amiconn> I need to find an algorithm (I know that it's possible) to sort a file larger than available memory
15.58.55 #       <Bruno> ^^ Linus
15.58.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: google for "merge sort"
15.59.49 #       <Bruno> Hope you'll find out how to make it work :)
16.00.08 #       <LinusN> that's not a problem, the problem is finding the time to do it
16.00.41 #       <Lynx_> LinusN: what, you mean you are still wasting time in bed sleeping? ;)
16.01.01 #       <LinusN> all night (3hours) :-)
16.01.22 #       <dwihno> No pressure on that guy :)
16.02.13 #       <Bruno> Lol i know that you don't have much time to do it.... real life +sleep time = no time left
16.03.02 #       <Bruno> But no preasure i guess you'll be faster than iriver devs ^^
16.06.51 #       <crash_> LinusN: have you already begon dreaming of the bootloader ? ;)
16.06.59 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.08.44 #       <Bruno> see you
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16.09.09 #       <dwihno> LinusN: This is the moment you say you haven't even started writing the boot loader, or know where to start, for that matter :)
16.09.32 #       <LinusN> it is started
16.09.36 #       <Bagder> <g>
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16.13.48 #       <dwihno> ;)
16.14.03 #       <dwihno> the question that remains, is, who loaded the boot?
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16.29.31 #       <LinusN> who put the bomp?
16.31.19 #       <Quel|away> hmm
16.31.40 #       <Quel|away> Bagder: btw, there's also another thing that should be changed in uplang script :)
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16.33.34 #       <quelsaruk> voice line is changed with english one if it exists, but if it does not exist (or a new lang_id is added, then the voice line is not added, only desc, eng and new lines are added)
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16.57.16 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, Bagder any of you awake?
16.57.23 #       <Zagor> yes
16.57.28 #       <quelsaruk> great
16.57.44 #       <quelsaruk> i have one of my fantastic bugs :)
16.58.32 #       <quelsaruk> i completed espanol.lang, tried to binlang it and worked, tested the espanol.lng on the box and... still in english!
16.58.51 #       <quelsaruk> can i send you the espanol.lang file so you can test? 
16.59.00 #       <quelsaruk> maybe is the size? 
16.59.48 #       <Zagor> no time right now im afraid. i can test later.
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17.00.07 #       <quelsaruk> ok then
17.00.08 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.00.17 #       <quelsaruk> one day more or less is not a proble
17.00.21 #       <quelsaruk> *problem
17.00.41 #       <quelsaruk> spanish has been outdated for months.. maybe nearly 1 year right now.. or more...
17.07.51 #       <Zagor> gotta go
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17.09.06 #       <amiconn> quelsaruk: How many bytes is your new espanol.lng (not .lang!)?
17.09.49 #       <quelsaruk> 6658
17.10.16 #       <quelsaruk> is quite big compared to english.lng
17.16.23 #       <quelsaruk> amiconn?
17.17.07 #       <amiconn> So that's the problem then. MAX_LANGUAGE_SIZE is 6500 bytes. It needs to be increased and rockbox recompiled for your new espanol.lng to work
17.17.19 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.17.26 #       <quelsaruk> great
17.17.26 #       <quelsaruk> :D
17.17.35 #       <quelsaruk> let me change that
17.17.37 #       <amiconn> I once had that with deutsch.lang too
17.17.44 #       <quelsaruk> check if works and commit the change then
17.18.00 #       <quelsaruk> my first commit in... thousand years
17.18.02 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.18.46 #       <quelsaruk> do you like 7000? or should i just increase it to 6700?
17.24.40 #       <amiconn> I'd say increase it to 7000
17.25.20 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.35.25 #       <quelsaruk> hmm.. i forgot i have to rebuild the crosscompiler :D
17.37.54 #       <amiconn> Windows/cygwin or Linux? If cygwin, you can install the updated sh-elf-gcc package provided by Eric Lassauge
17.41.17 #       <quelsaruk> cygwin
17.41.39 #       <quelsaruk> hm.. i always built it, so is ok
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17.41.58 #       <quelsaruk> just have to download binutils and gcc :)
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17.43.15 #       <crash_> someone there who can tell me if there is a tool out there for getting a password from a rar file?
17.43.19 #       <crash_> for linux
17.44.45 #       <Lynx_> crash_: dozens...for windows
17.44.53 #       <crash_> yeah for windows :/
17.45.17 #       <Lynx_> crash_: for linux bash and a lot of time would do ;)
17.45.27 #       <crash_> hrhr
17.50.51 #       <crash_> ok dont need it anymore, there was a hint in the description of the rar _;)
17.52.00 #       <quelsaruk> hehehe
17.53.17 #       <crash_> 'blabla' has no website, blabla was pwd, funny guy who made this
17.54.19 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.07.48 #       <quelsaruk> brb!
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19.54.29 #       <Yokalosh> Hi all
19.55.26 #       <Yokalosh> Hmm i need an answer from someone who knows absolutely everything about the recorder 10's hardware and about programming rockbox
19.55.31 #       <Yokalosh> anybody?
19.56.21 #       <Yokalosh> Amiconn?
19.57.20 #       <amiconn> I think no one know everything about it, but maybe I can help...
19.58.07 #       <Yokalosh> Cool
19.58.12 #       <Yokalosh> er the question
19.58.52 #       <Yokalosh> brb
19.58.56 #       <Yokalosh> Okay
19.59.20 #       <Yokalosh> Jorg says it is possible to fit a colour lcd onto my recorder 10
19.59.23 #       <Yokalosh> okay
19.59.47 #       <Yokalosh> Jorg says it is possible to fit a colour lcd to my box
20.00.05 #       <Yokalosh> you there?
20.00.29 #       <Yokalosh> I was wondering what the specs of a screen i would have to find would have to be
20.01.26 #       <Yokalosh> Can you help?
20.02.23 #       <amiconn> Well, you would need a display with the right controller & supply voltage.
20.02.34 #       <Yokalosh> Okay
20.02.42 #       <Yokalosh> could you send me a spec sheet?
20.02.57 #       <Yokalosh> I can give you my email address if u know the full specs
20.03.05 #       <preglow> monochrome and colour lcds have the same kind of interface?
20.03.22 #       <amiconn> I don't know such beasts. You'll have to find out yourself
20.03.45 #       <amiconn> The controller must have accessible documentation, because you'll have to rewrite the lcd driver.
20.04.06 #       <Yokalosh> Ooh
20.04.30 #       <Yokalosh> Do you know when Jorg or stenberg get on here?
20.04.36 #       <amiconn> The interface must be serial (SPI), because that's the only one that will fit the current interface. All other interfaces would need more control lines than are available
20.05.09 #       <Yokalosh> That is what Jorg said
20.06.19 #       <Yokalosh> Any other info?
20.06.22 #       <amiconn> Of course the display needs to be the right size, and you will need white backlight with substantially more brightness as well.
20.06.32 #       <Yokalosh> Yes
20.06.35 #       <Yokalosh> i know
20.07.59 #       <amiconn> Nothing more, I'd say. Of course the rockbox adaptions are quite some work, especially if you want to actually profit from having colour.
20.08.22 #       <Yokalosh> Yer
20.08.28 #       <Yokalosh> i need to work on that stuff
20.08.34 #       <Yokalosh> I need a good teacher
20.08.59 #       <Yokalosh> I can easily be tought
20.09.01 #       <Yokalosh> ..........
20.09.04 #       <Yokalosh> i'm 14
20.09.18 #       <Yokalosh> its just finding someone who knows what they are talking about
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20.09.49 #       <Yokalosh> Like you..........
20.10.43 #       <Yokalosh> Could you teach me?
20.10.48 #       <Yokalosh> :D
20.12.37 #       <Yokalosh> Hello?
20.14.10 #       <amiconn> Well, I can give tips.. here.. like now,
20.14.20 #       <amiconn> but not much more I'm afraid.
20.14.51 #       <Yokalosh> But i need to be taught to program rockbox
20.15.22 #       <preglow> haha
20.15.27 #       <preglow> do you know how to program at all?
20.15.47 #       <Yokalosh> Er no
20.15.50 #       <preglow> then you need to learn that first, i'm afraid
20.16.04 #       <Yokalosh> Who by? and how?
20.16.18 #       <preglow> pick up a book on C or something
20.16.36 #       <preglow> there's rather a lot to be learnt before you can start programming hardware stuff
20.17.10 #       <Yokalosh> Okay
20.17.17 #       <Yokalosh> This sucks.........
20.18.22 #       <Yokalosh> You know how to program?
20.18.25 #       <preglow> sure does, but that's life
20.18.26 #       <preglow> yes
20.18.46 #       <preglow> i could probably do what you're describing, but i've also been programming for years and know a thing or two about electronics
20.19.50 #       <preglow> without knowing any of those two, you are pretty much stumped
20.20.25 #       <Yokalosh> I can do the electronics part
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20.20.36 #       <Yokalosh> Just not the programming
20.21.05 #       <preglow> well, by electronics i really do mean knowing how to program the lcd controller
20.21.27 #       <Yokalosh> possibly
20.21.27 #       <preglow> you've have to be able to read a data sheet
20.21.40 #       <Yokalosh> i'm learning how to do it at school now
20.22.37 #       <Yokalosh> Any idea of a fitting screen?
20.23.08 #       <preglow> no idea, no, i've written a lcd driver in my life, but that's all i've had to do with them
20.23.46 #       <preglow> but if it uses an spi interface, it shouldn't be that hard
20.25.20 #       <Yokalosh> okay
20.25.37 #       <Yokalosh> i'm currently getting a spec sheet  for a gameboy colour screen
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20.25.42 #       <Yokalosh> i have plenty of them
20.25.52 #       <Yokalosh> i have plent of them
20.25.57 #       <Yokalosh> oops
20.26.11 #       <Tang> :)
20.26.13 #       <Tang> Hello
20.26.15 #       <Tang> :)
20.27.21 #       <Yokalosh> Hi :D
20.27.30 #       <Tang> Linus or any Rbx memebers is here? :)
20.27.38 #       <Tang> I had a question
20.27.52 #       <Tang> (about the API wiki discussion)
20.28.00 #       <Yokalosh> Amiconn is helpful
20.28.11 #       <Tang> (the idea semms wonderful)
20.28.18 #       <Tang> Amiconn is here? :)
20.28.23 #       <Tang> Would be nice
20.28.24 #       <Yokalosh> yup
20.28.25 #       <Tang> :)
20.28.34 #       <amiconn> Yes I'm here
20.28.41 #       <Tang> Hello AMiconn :)
20.28.51 #       <Tang> Goood new year first
20.28.53 #       <Tang> ;)
20.29.00 #       <amiconn> Hi... you don't need the shift key, it's just amiconn
20.29.03 #       <amiconn> ;)
20.29.06 #       <Tang> Do we want to attempt cross-fading between a 44.1KHz file and a 48KHz file? Is a "gapless" change in playback frequency possible on the iRiver?
20.29.26 #       <Tang> I read this and i didnt' really understood the last question
20.29.37 #       <preglow> hmm, that could be strange, yes
20.29.41 #       <Tang> does it concerns gapless or another things
20.29.56 #       <preglow> it concerns gapless, but only between files of different sampling rates
20.30.00 #       <preglow> which you shouldn't see too often
20.30.04 #       <preglow> most files are 44.1
20.30.07 #       <Tang> Ah okay
20.30.15 #       <amiconn> Well, that simply means whether changing the playback sample rate will produce a short gap, caused by reinitializing/resynchronizing the dac
20.30.16 #       <preglow> ordinary gapless playback should be no problem
20.30.17 #       <Tang> indeed
20.30.40 #       <Tang> okay thanks wthat was just what i was wondering in fact
20.30.52 #       <Tang> Are you Rbx memeber too?
20.30.54 #       <amiconn> preglow: I wouldn't count on that. CD uses 44.1 kHz. E.g. DAB uses 48 kHz (and mp2)
20.31.15 #       <preglow> amiconn: yes, i encode all my vinyls as 48khz as well
20.31.28 #       <preglow> amiconn: but most music is ripped from cds, so 44.1 is by far most common
20.32.03 #       <amiconn> Both crossfading and gapless would be possible if we never change the sample frequency that goes to the dac, but that means a lot of resampling...
20.32.04 #       <Tang> Indeed also 48kHz is not supported for Ogg by iHP i think
20.32.10 #       <Tang> (not sure however)
20.32.33 #       <preglow> i'm almost certain it is
20.33.12 #       <preglow> amiconn: but i really see no point in gapless playback between files of different sampling rates, they clearly don't belong together anyway
20.33.23 #       <preglow> amiconn: since material that does belong together really should have the same sampling rate
20.33.26 #       <amiconn> Agreed.
20.33.55 #       <amiconn> I also see no sense in crossfading, but there are different opinions on that one.
20.34.42 #       <preglow> agreed there as well
20.34.49 #       <preglow> i would never use crossfading
20.35.10 #       <Quel|away> (building the crosscomplier is being a really slow task....)
20.35.15 #       <preglow> but ofcourse, if you listen to alot of mixed artist material, you could use it
20.36.24 #       <amiconn> Crossfading would only make sense if you would also be able to mix for real, i.e. match the beat. I can't imagine how this could be done with only a few buttons...
20.36.35 #       <preglow> haha
20.36.45 #       <preglow> beat matching on the h120 would be SO cool
20.37.36 #       <Tang> Another thing...
20.37.37 #       <amiconn> Of course it might be possible to do this in software, at least with some kinds of music
20.37.59 #       <preglow> it could be doable, stick up/down for speed up track 1 momentarily, stick right/left for speed up track 2 momentarily
20.38.09 #       <preglow> press button, and then same controls for constant pitch change
20.38.14 #       <amiconn> Grr, I need Zagor! The resume bug is still there, 100% reproducable on all 3 units I have.
20.38.28 #       <preglow> hell yes, i'm really into drum 'n bass and beat matching is used extensively by djs there
20.38.41 #       <Tang> In the iRiver port RAM loader section i read someone had his iHP refusing firmware upgrade due to false code
20.39.14 #       <Tang> Who is cocnerned? The matter is still here? :s
20.40.53 #       <Yokalosh> DRUM 'N' BASS KICKS ASS!
20.41.18 #       <preglow> agreed
20.41.44 #       <Yokalosh> ;-)
20.42.33 #       <Tang> Anyway i've to go
20.42.35 #       <preglow> but will the h1x0 units have enough cpu to run two mp3 decoders in parallel ?
20.42.36 #       <Tang> bye
20.42.40 #       <preglow> bye, tang
20.42.46 #       <Tang> Bye preglow
20.42.48 #       <Tang> :)
20.42.55 #       <Yokalosh> c ya
20.42.55 #       <preglow> it'd be neat to make this crossfading thing work, hehe
20.43.15 #       <Tang> (i stay a little bit this point is important to me (gapless)
20.43.33 #       <preglow> i don't think we're going to say much more about it ;)
20.43.36 #       <Tang> hum ok it's just for corssfading
20.43.44 #       <Tang> sorry i mistaken
20.43.54 #       <Tang> you were talking about crossfasing
20.44.03 #       <preglow> gapless playback is the reason i got interested in rockbox, so sure, i understand your concern, hehe
20.44.08 #       <Tang> i thought you were talking about gapless
20.44.10 #       <Tang> ;)
20.44.23 #       <preglow> i cry every time my h120 makes a gap
20.44.26 #       <Tang> Oki i understand
20.44.28 #       <Tang> :)
20.44.28 #       <preglow> my soul cringes
20.44.36 #       <Tang> Cheers preglow
20.44.41 #       <Tang> I've to go
20.44.47 #       <preglow> sure, see you around
20.44.48 #       <Tang> best regards
20.44.58 #       <amiconn> preglow: (2 decoders in parallel) Yes I think so, given that it's a 140 MHz coldfire. A 50 MHz 68060 is able to decode mp3 at full quality, with ~50% cpu load (integer arithmetics only).
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20.45.42 #       <preglow> amiconn: yes, and the coldfire should have the dsp caps to decode mp3 more efficiently than a 68k
20.46.08 #       <preglow> amiconn: i think i read somewhere that motorola has an mp3 decoder for the coldfire that uses about 10% cpu
20.46.14 #       <preglow> that's probably a 64kbps file, but...
20.47.20 #       <Yokalosh> So amiconn what is the current 'must have' box ..and please don't say iPod
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20.47.32 #       <preglow> hi, linus
20.47.38 #       <LinusN> hey ho
20.48.01 #       <amiconn> hi again
20.48.11 #       <LinusN> hi
20.48.22 #       <amiconn> Zagor's id3db code has many problems... :(
20.48.35 #       <LinusN> regarding the ram loader, paul tried to patch the original firmware into loading his code from disk
20.49.27 #       <LinusN> it failed, and he managed to disable the code that does the normal firmware upgrades, so he can't restore the flash
20.49.34 #       <LinusN> amiconn: of course it has
20.49.42 #       <LinusN> it's alpha status
20.50.07 #       <amiconn> Yes, but it also broke other places that worked before.
20.50.21 #       <LinusN> as the resume, i guess
20.50.45 #       <amiconn> (1) Resume doesn't work.
20.51.00 #       <amiconn> (2) After the failed resume, you are stuck in the dir level the failed-to-resume files were in.
20.51.16 #       <amiconn> You can go to a lower dir level, but not higher.
20.51.17 #       <LinusN> how nice :-)
20.51.44 #       <amiconn> (3) It is impossible to leave sub-browsers (fonts, plugins etc.)
20.51.54 #       <LinusN> hehe
20.52.32 #       <amiconn> ..hence it is impossible to change font, wps etc. Because you cannot leave the sub-browser, settings are not saved...
20.52.44 #       <LinusN> he should return his badge and gun, and leave the code police force
20.52.49 #       <amiconn> (4) If browsing mode is set to id3 browsing, the sub-browsers use it as well
20.53.18 #       <amiconn> He promised he'll fix it today, but then said he cannot reproduce it anymore
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20.54.05 #       <amiconn> I tried it on the recorder, the player and the Ondio, recompiled after make clean from current cvs.
20.54.07 #       <LinusN> badness
20.54.40 #       <LinusN> btw, do you know a good place to do the uart boot mod on the player?
20.54.48 #       <amiconn> I tried the official bleeding edge recorder build as well, to rule out compiler problems.
20.55.00 #       <amiconn> How do you mean "place"?
20.55.36 #       <LinusN> some good vias or pads to cut and solder
20.55.38 #       <amiconn> There is a nice pad area (looking like meant to take a chip) that has all necessary signals.
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20.55.53 #       <amiconn> However, your board revision may be totally different.
20.56.13 #       <amiconn> I intend to take pictures and write a wiki article when I undo the mod.
20.56.20 #       <amiconn> (this week)
20.57.28 #       <LinusN> is it on the cpu board or the display board?
20.57.35 #       <amiconn> Main board
20.57.41 #       <amiconn> (display)
20.57.48 #       <LinusN> next to the isd200?
20.57.52 #       <LinusN> aha display board
20.58.12 #       <amiconn> There is no nice resistor array to cut and pull down instead of up.
20.58.37 #       <amiconn> You need to pull down against the pull-up resistors (which are scattered across the board I think)
20.59.04 #       <amiconn> Pull-ups are 10 kOhm, so I pulled down with 1 kOhm
20.59.45 #       <amiconn> In http://www.rockbox.org/mods/serialport.html , you can clearly see the pad area.
21.00.35 #       <amiconn> It's the same the serial wires go to.
21.01.29 #       <LinusN> i see
21.01.43 #       <LinusN> those pics are my player btw
21.01.52 #       <amiconn> ...where left column, 5th pin from top and right column, 4th pin from top are Tx and Rx, the 3 topmost pins in the left column are PB1..PB3
21.02.00 #       <amiconn> (which you need to pull down)
21.03.00 #       <amiconn> You'll need the pull down switchable, releasing it after the uart boot started.
21.03.36 #       <amiconn> Otherwise the CPU may not be able to drive the pins high across the strong pulldown, preventing the LCD from working
21.03.44 #       <amiconn> s/across/against/
21.04.21 #       <LinusN> okidoki
21.04.51 #       <amiconn> I connected a 5-wire piece of ribbon cable to the pad area. This conveniently fits, you only have to solder one wire to the other side.
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21.05.11 #       <amiconn> First 3 go to left column, 4th goes right and 5th left again
21.05.59 #       <LinusN> well, the serial mod is already there, since year 2000
21.06.04 #       <amiconn> :)
21.07.30 #       <LinusN> ok, will do that later tonight
21.07.51 #       <amiconn> Be prepared that the lcd may not correctly initialize if you have rockbox flashed and start the box by inserting batteries.
21.07.59 #       <amiconn> This isn't rockbox' fault; it also happens with pure archos flash contents if you have the ON button pressed while inserting them.
21.08.31 #       <LinusN> old players don't start when inserting the batteries
21.09.06 #       <amiconn> New players also don't do this with archos firmware if you don't hold ON.
21.09.36 #       <amiconn> The archos firmware checks button status on boot, and immediately shuts down if ON is not pressed
21.09.43 #       <LinusN> oops, i was wrong
21.10.04 #       <LinusN> i meant that it doesn't start when inserting the charger
21.11.26 #       <LinusN> gotta go, cu around
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21.21.27 #       <amiconn> hi Zagor
21.21.44 #       <Zagor> hi
21.22.16 #       <amiconn> Did you check the logs? Many problems with id3db code :(
21.22.19 #       <Zagor> "Since 22 December, mail servers at verizon.net have been configured not to accept connections from Europe by default."  <--- explains all the bounces we get
21.22.48 #       <Quel|away> hehe
21.22.52 #       <Quel|away> i wonder why
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21.23.03 #       <Zagor> "to stop spam"
21.23.17 #       <Zagor> Verizon three million DSL customers waiting for emails from Europe were advised to use alternative forms of communication. "If it's really important you might want to make a phone call," he said.
21.23.32 #       <Zagor> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/verizon_email_block/
21.23.44 #       <Zagor> gotta love friendly ISPs :)
21.24.14 #       <amiconn> ...especially those that advise you not to uses it's services, haha
21.24.27 #       <preglow> verizon are assholes, no surprises there
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21.26.50 #       <preglow> the fact that they actually went through with such a braindead approach, speaks volumes about the management
21.32.16 #       <Zagor> amiconn: i still can't repeat it. :-( just tried a clean build and install. can you help me?
21.33.10 #       <amiconn> Did you try a build from the site?
21.33.23 #       <Zagor> no. i'll do that.
21.33.29 #       <amiconn> I can only try to describe what happens as detailed as possible.
21.33.41 #       <amiconn> Actually there are a number of problems.
21.33.50 #       <Zagor> yeah, but only the resume is important
21.34.07 #       <Zagor> the rest only occurs when you use id3 mode, which isn't ready for use anyway
21.34.16 #       <amiconn> I think the unability to leave any sub-browser is also important
21.34.31 #       <amiconn> (This happens in any mode, not just id3 browsing!)
21.34.52 #       <Zagor> ok, i don't get that either... weird, this
21.36.03 #       <amiconn> I tried with fresh builds from current cvs, with only 2 little changes in (totally unrelated to browsing - my alternate recording routines on the recorder, and enabled ata poweroff for the player)
21.36.24 #       <amiconn> I tried official builds as well. The behaviour is identical on all 3 units.
21.36.28 #       <Zagor> which gcc are you using?
21.36.33 #       <amiconn> gcc 3.3.5
21.37.04 #       <amiconn> (Eric's cygwin build)
21.37.13 #       <Zagor> i've tried builds with 3.0.4 and 3.3.4
21.37.29 #       <amiconn> Is your box flashed? If yes: rombox?
21.37.47 #       <Zagor> yes, no
21.37.58 #       <amiconn> (But then rombox can't be the problem, because this also happens with roloed builds)
21.38.24 #       <amiconn> What I tried and what happended, in detail:
21.38.38 #       <Zagor> can you make it happen in the simulator?
21.39.03 #       <amiconn> - Resume = ask, Shuffle = no, Repeat = off
21.39.31 #       <amiconn> - Go to a sub-dir and play a file
21.39.41 #       <amiconn> - Hit stop.
21.40.28 #       <amiconn> I'm now back in the dir where the tracks are.
21.40.45 #       <amiconn> - Hit ON, then PLAY to resume.
21.41.21 #       <amiconn> It immediately displays "End of playlist". I'm back in the dir the tracks are in
21.41.46 #       <amiconn> It's now *impossible* to go up even one dir level.
21.41.54 #       <Zagor> bleeding works for me as well..
21.42.25 #       <amiconn> Huh? How can this be?
21.42.35 #       <Zagor> i don't know. very strange.
21.42.47 #       <Zagor> can you make it happen in the simulator?
21.42.56 #       * amiconn tries
21.43.30 #       <amiconn> building simulator...
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21.47.52 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: i get the same that amiconn
21.47.56 #       <amiconn> Hmm, really strange. It works in the sim
21.47.57 #       <quelsaruk> and my brother was going to kill me
21.47.58 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.48.05 #       <HCl> hm
21.48.14 #       <HCl> i don't suppose there's anything i can do to help speed up iriver development?
21.48.16 #       <quelsaruk> 'cause i was testing the new spanish.lang
21.48.23 #       <Zagor> HCl: cheer? ;)
21.48.26 #       <HCl>  xD
21.48.29 #       <HCl> yea, i'll do that :P
21.49.16 #       <HCl> just wait and pray then :X
21.49.21 #       <Zagor> are you a programmer, hcl?
21.49.28 #       <HCl> i think its safe to say i am o.o
21.49.56 #       <HCl> a bored one, i might say
21.50.01 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.51.45 #       <quelsaruk> oh
21.51.55 #       <quelsaruk> and he also got another bug using bleeding edge
21.52.09 #       <quelsaruk> changing font *hanged* the browser
21.52.14 #       <Zagor> ooh
21.52.27 #       <quelsaruk> could not move back to the menu, or to another screen
21.53.20 #       <amiconn> quelsaruk: It's the same as I get. The browser is not hung, only it is impossible to leave the browser
21.54.33 #       <amiconn> Resume on the sim has problems too.
21.54.59 #       <amiconn> While the sim is running, it works, but when I "power off" and then start again, it seems to resume, but doesn't display any tag in the wps.
21.55.34 #       <amiconn> It says it plays a track from the root dir, which is also wrong.
21.55.44 #       <quelsaruk> yeah
21.55.51 #       <quelsaruk> that's what i have just realized
21.55.52 #       <quelsaruk> btw
21.56.15 #       <quelsaruk> i've changed the max_lang_size... to 7000 so i can load espanol.lng
21.56.22 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: should i commit that change?
21.56.24 #       <quelsaruk> :D
21.56.53 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: write shorter :)
21.56.56 #       <amiconn> Trying X11 sim to double-check...
21.57.29 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: i'd do, but spanish guys wont understand
21.57.54 #       <quelsaruk> amiconn: i have just built a cvs version and happens the same
21.58.18 #       <Zagor> amiconn: great, i can repeat that too. i'll dig into it.
21.58.26 #       <quelsaruk> but, resuming after poweroff works
21.59.10 #       <amiconn> Now _that_ is strange. 3 guys compile from the same source, and all get different behaviour :/
21.59.29 #       <Zagor> sounds like unitialized data
21.59.41 #       <quelsaruk> amiconn: oh.. you don't know the legend of the digital goats...
21.59.42 #       <quelsaruk> :D
22.00.49 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Sa0e behav564r w5th the X11 s50,
22.00.58 #       <amiconn> Ooops, still numlocked :)
22.01.07 #       <quelsaruk> a new language
22.01.08 #       <quelsaruk> :)
22.01.12 #       <amiconn> I mean, same behaviour with the X11 sim
22.07.38 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Leaving sub-browsers is also impossible in both sims
22.08.35 #       <quelsaruk> cool
22.08.45 #       <quelsaruk> then, someone changed something in the browsing
22.08.46 #       <quelsaruk> :)
22.09.47 #       <quelsaruk> dinner time
22.09.48 #       <quelsaruk> :)
22.09.49 #       <quelsaruk> brb
22.09.50 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22.20.57 #       <amiconn> I just received a _norom player flash dump :)
22.49.12 #       <quelsaruk> back
22.49.13 #       <quelsaruk> :)
22.57.07 Nick    quelsaruk is now known as quel|nwn (~kvirc@80.103.129.116)
23.13.36 #       <Zagor> gah, i hate bugs that makes you ask "how did this ever work?"
23.14.13 #       <quel|nwn> did you repair the browser back button bug?
23.14.21 #       <Zagor> soon
23.14.32 #       <Zagor> found the resume issue, and the same thing is causing the back bug
23.14.50 #       <quel|nwn> cool
23.14.53 #       <quel|nwn> tsk.. tsk..
23.15.10 #       <quel|nwn> you are not the great code police i thought
23.15.12 #       <amiconn> Zagor: do you have an idea why this worked for you?
23.15.18 #       <quel|nwn> you disapointed me :D
23.15.22 #       <Zagor> amiconn: no
23.15.43 #       <Zagor> quel|nwn: :)
23.16.53 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Do you remember the language array issue? I have an idea how to solve this, and save almost 1500 bytes of binary size.
23.17.08 #       <Zagor> remind me
23.17.49 #       <amiconn> The language is internally stored as an array of pointers to strings, which initially point to the builtin strings.
23.18.07 #       <amiconn> So these pointers are initialized data, and take up space in the binary.
23.18.45 #       <amiconn> When you load a complete language file, these pointers do now all point to the loaded strings.
23.19.20 #       <amiconn> If you then load another language which is *not* complete, the last few pointers still point to the old positions.
23.20.13 #       <amiconn> If the newly loaded language also has longer strings than the old one, the last few may pointers end up pointing mid-string anywhere.
23.20.55 #       <amiconn> My initial idea was to make the builtin pointer array read-only, and copy it every time before loading a language.
23.21.36 #       <amiconn> However, this would not decrease binary size, and would even need more ram (unless you use rombox, where ram usage would be identical)
23.22.34 #       <amiconn> My new idea is to leave out the initial pointer array from the binary completely, only leaving a pointer to the start of the strings.
23.23.23 #       <amiconn> The strings would then be separated by *single* zero-bytes, and the pointer array gets calculated by "walking that long, \0-separated string.
23.23.26 Join    jyp [0] (~jp@225.3-136-217.adsl.skynet.be)
23.23.49 #       <Bagder> amiconn: just make sure you can handle gaps
23.23.49 #       <amiconn> This would not need more ram, and the left-out pointers make the binary smaller.
23.24.12 #       <Bagder> but I like the idea
23.24.17 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Well, if I put a *singe* zero byte at each string end, this is easy.
23.24.34 #       <Bagder> yes
23.24.46 #       <Bagder> I just wanted to mention it
23.24.51 #       <amiconn> I would actually output this as one string (from the binlang script):
23.25.37 #       <amiconn> Instead of writing "foo", "bar", "bas"  simply output "foo\0" "bar\0" "bas\0" and let the compiler concatenate
23.25.47 #       <Bagder> no need for the \0
23.25.51 #       <Bagder> ah
23.25.52 #       <Bagder> yes
23.25.55 #       <Bagder> sorry
23.26.39 #       <amiconn> If I leave it as an array, the compiler may decide to pad the strings, and I may end up with more than exactly one zero byte...
23.27.21 #       <amiconn> Btw: The same trick can be applied to the credits list.
23.27.53 #       <amiconn> There the pointer array is even not needed at all, because the list is read in sequence
23.28.02 #       <Bagder> jyp now officially has cvs commit access
23.28.11 #       <Zagor> excellent
23.28.22 #       <amiconn> Ok, good :)
23.29.06 #       * jyp bounces
23.29.24 #       <Bagder> jyp: is there any docs anywhere on what gcc/binutils needed to build?
23.29.30 #       * jyp shakes hands w/ everyone
23.29.38 #       <Bagder> would be neat to get it added to the cvs build table
23.29.39 #       <jyp> Ow
23.29.56 #       <jyp> That's a pretty complicated story
23.30.06 #       <Bagder> ouch
23.30.09 #       <amiconn> We need to define at least the basic buttons if we want a simulator soon...
23.30.21 #       <amiconn> (gmini simulator that is)
23.31.01 #       <jyp> re gcc: Because right now we use an old version of the binutils
23.31.32 #       <jyp> which is included in a full development suite
23.31.43 #       <jyp> but the gcc version in there does not work correctly
23.32.02 #       <Bagder> "full development suite" ?
23.32.20 #       <jyp> It resides somewhere on donat.org
23.32.24 #       <Bagder> isn't it just gcc and binutils?
23.32.44 #       <jyp> There's a bunch of other utilites there
23.32.58 #       <jyp> gdb, sim...
23.33.11 #       <jyp> there's even a version of tcl/tk/etc for calmrisc!
23.33.28 #       <jyp> I was planning to release a stripped down version
23.33.42 #       <Bagder> see this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
23.34.15 #       <Bagder> can't that be done for CalmRISC too?
23.34.26 #       <Bagder> I don't want a development kit
23.34.49 #       <Bagder> or rather gcc and bintuils is that
23.35.03 #       <jyp> I can be done more or less
23.35.53 #       <Bagder> to me, that is the simplest approach
23.36.07 #       <jyp> Yes,
23.36.31 #       <jyp> the problem is that you'll need custom versions of each package
23.36.39 #       <Bagder> custom how?
23.37.18 #       <jyp> Well, fsf gcc/gas do not support calmrisc16...
23.37.30 Join    [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@p3EE2DCEA.dip.t-dialin.net)
23.37.44 #       <jyp> You need to "special" version I'm maintaining
23.37.45 #       <Bagder> isn't the patches required available then?
23.38.09 #       <jyp> They are available but sort of unstable
23.38.16 #       <amiconn> hi [IDC]Dragon
23.38.18 #       <Bagder> hehe
23.38.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi guys
23.38.35 #       <Bagder> jyp: well still, if that is the only compiler we have, that is the path we walk
23.38.51 #       <jyp> Alright...
23.39.07 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I got a player _norom dump (rom 5.08, archos 5.08). Interested?
23.39.24 #       <jyp> Are you ok with checking out gcc code from sourceforge cvs ?
23.39.57 #       <Bagder> you have the whole gcc code there?
23.40.01 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon:i I also built a firmware_player_norom.bin, but I'd rather not distribute it with current cvs rockbox due to the browsing bugs.
23.40.07 #       <Bagder> but sure
23.40.14 #       <jyp> Bagder: all we need
23.40.31 #       <Bagder> I wouldn't have done it that way, that's just it
23.40.38 #       <jyp> (but not yet binutils)
23.40.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: how about using 2.4?
23.40.54 #       <amiconn> Hmm, possible.
23.41.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (dump) sure, bring it on!
23.41.14 #       <jyp> Bagder: I know this is awkward... But we' on the "bleeding edge" here
23.41.19 #       * [IDC]Dragon reads a lot of log
23.41.34 #       <Bagder> jyp: I know about that, I would still not do it like that
23.41.40 #       <Bagder> I would provide patches against official releases
23.42.08 #       <Bagder> so then we'd download release XXX and your patch YYY
23.42.23 #       <Zagor> Bagder: well there's nothing stopping us from doing that now
23.42.26 #       <Bagder> but I'm not complaining
23.42.31 #       <Bagder> Zagor: very true
23.42.36 #       <Bagder> I can check out and make a patch
23.42.50 #       <Bagder> if I know from what release it is branched
23.44.03 #       <jyp> Well you can do a patch with a diff from the vendor tag
23.44.30 #       <amiconn> Bagder: How can I see which cvs commits took place between the 2.4 release snapshot and 2004-12-25, 09:00 ?
23.44.40 #       <amiconn> (if there were any)
23.44.45 #       <Bagder> use cvs log -d
23.44.56 #       <Bagder> -d "fromdate<todate" I believe
23.45.03 #       <Bagder> or cvs diff even
23.46.51 #       <amiconn> How do I do this between a version and a date? -d takes 2 dates iiuc
23.47.25 #       <Bagder> get the date for the version first
23.49.21 #       * [IDC]Dragon is done reading logs, a lot of fun here
23.49.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Linus did solder a new flash in his player?
23.50.13 #       <amiconn> Not yet, but he intended to do it later this evening
23.50.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yokalosh learns everything...  ;-)
23.50.36 #       <amiconn> (or at least he wanted to uart boot the player)
23.50.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I regret telling him about the theoretical chance to change the LCD
23.51.10 #       <quel|nwn> Zagor: did you repair that bug already?
23.51.22 Nick    quel|nwn is now known as quelsaruk (~kvirc@80.103.129.116)
23.51.52 #       <Zagor> yes, resume is fixed. the back-in-plugin-browser remains still.
23.52.31 #       <quelsaruk> oh
23.52.43 #       <amiconn> I don't get this cvs command right :(
23.53.14 #       <Bagder> what dates is it?
23.54.17 #       <amiconn> As I told above... between v2_4 and 2004-12-25, 09:00
23.54.30 #       <Bagder> so when was 2.4?
23.54.35 #       <amiconn> (I don't think there are many)
23.54.40 #       <Bagder> 2004-12-23
23.56.54 #       <Bagder> cvs diff -D "2004-12-23" -D "2004-12-25 09:00"
23.58.12 #       <amiconn> Thanks, that worked :) Does that work the same with cvs log ?
23.58.18 #       <Bagder> no
23.58.22 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.58.37 #       <Bagder> cvs log -d "2004-12-23<2004-12-25"
23.59.01 #       <Bagder> wasn't that obvious? ;-)