--- Log for 19.01.105 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 11 hours ago 00.00.27 # This produces a looong list of output that looks like mentioning every file in the repo 00.00.32 # yes 00.00.36 # its horrible 00.01.00 # the diff was easier to read 00.02.32 # [IDC]Dragon: The only differences between 2.4 and the build I put in my old player flash package are irrelevant for players, so I can use 2.4 00.03.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, ok, and what was your concern? 00.04.10 # Maybe something had changed which was important to make it work. Fortunately not. 00.04.26 Quit midk (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.04.48 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 00.05.36 # 2.4 looks like it was built 2004-12-21. At least the file date says so. 00.06.08 # yes it was 00.07.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: will you send me that dump? 00.07.11 Quit jyp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.07.25 Join jyp [0] (~jp@225.3-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 00.07.47 # Yes of course. I just wanted to build the _norom firmware first, to include that. 00.08.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, ok 00.08.20 # amiconn: i forgot to use spanish voice.. so i have a strange spanish with english accent 00.08.21 # :D 00.08.39 # i'll try to repair that right now 00.09.47 # Firmwares rebuilt (both ordinary and _norom), going to flash ordinary version for a test... 00.09.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.11.40 # ..works :) 00.12.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> you've put my "platform ID" in your template, right? 00.12.30 # Yes. platform_id == 2, bootloader_version == 1 00.14.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> the _norom doesn't need a "real" template 00.14.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> nothing in there anyway 00.15.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> but I kept the little content, just to play safe 00.16.19 # Mail sent. 00.17.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> got it, thanks 00.18.31 # I'm editing http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler with instructions for calmrisc 00.18.39 # neato 00.19.41 # [IDC]Dragon: I have a fresh player flash package here. I'd prefer to distribute this one, because it also contains 2.4 instead of cvs in the ordinary firmware. 00.20.20 # I also rebuilt the bootloader (newer gcc) for the ordinary variant 00.21.08 # bed time. see you all tomorrow. 00.21.12 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.23.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: we can do that together with _norom then 00.23.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> or what do you mean? 00.23.41 # YEs, that's what I meant. The zip already contains both. 00.24.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm trying to do my own right now, to countercheck 00.26.17 # The bootloader will only be identical when you use the same gcc version as me (3.3.5) 00.27.14 # Btw: The make_firmware help says that one has to use a scrambled bootloader. This is not true for _norom... 00.27.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> outdated, yes 00.32.41 # amiconn: how can i find out the L&H TTS3000 spanish voice name? 00.33.24 # You really want to use a TTS3000 voice? I tried a German TTS3000 voice, it sounds awful... 00.33.43 # i can't find another spanish sapi file 00.33.47 # :/ 00.33.52 # seems that AT&T has one 00.33.54 # but.. 00.33.54 # The TTS3000 voices seem to have simple names, the German one is called "Anna" 00.34.04 # don't know how to download it 00.34.16 # where did you find your german voice? 00.34.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: have you used rombox for these? 00.35.02 # yup. 00.36.13 # quelsaruk: Which german voice do you mean? If you mean the AT&T voices I am using for the voice files: I bought them. 00.36.25 # oh 00.36.32 # bought them... 00.36.33 # hmmm 00.36.45 # what an interesting point of view 00.36.46 # :D 00.36.58 # Unfortunately AT&T doesn't have european spansih, only latin american spanish. 00.37.03 # * jyp thinks... you should have sampled some Rammstein 00.37.14 Quit midk ("Leaving") 00.37.27 # then, i don't want to use those AT&T voices :/ 00.41.03 # no 00.41.21 # i don't like "Rosa", the latin american voice 00.41.37 # (AT&T voice) 00.42.35 # anyway amiconn, where was that TTS3000 voice? to find out her name 00.43.15 # ScanSoft Realspeak is interesting: http://www.scansoft.com/realspeak/ . Many languages... 00.46.08 # quelsaruk: Did you already install it? 00.46.13 # yes 00.47.56 # scansoft voice was nice.. portuguese is even better than spanish (i could understand it better) 00.50.21 # I put together a little VBScript that lists all installed SAPI5 voices 00.53.30 # ¿? 00.56.15 # Look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding#Tools 00.56.53 # oh 00.57.03 # i didn't notice that 00.57.04 # :( 00.57.05 # sorry 00.57.57 # I just added it. No worry :) 00.58.14 # great... this says i only have those 3 english voices 00.58.24 # maybe what i have are sapi4 spanish voices 00.58.31 # Argl.... TTS3000 is SAPI4 :( 00.58.40 Quit edx () 00.58.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: my _norom build is identical 00.58.45 # Then building the voice will take a while 00.59.01 # i'm trying to get a sapi5 voice 00.59.03 # but... 00.59.11 # [IDC]Dragon: Already tried with your simulator? 00.59.15 # i don't know if i'll be able to 00.59.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, not today any more 00.59.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> took me a while to compile on the notebook, never used the dev environment there yet 01.02.47 # quelsaruk: I have similar code for listing SAPI4 voices. There'll soon be another script :) 01.02.57 # hahahaha 01.03.02 # perfect 01.07.19 # Now look again at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding#Tools 01.08.06 # The SAPI4 voices are a bit cumbersome. 01.08.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> goodnight! 01.08.38 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 01.08.55 # There are 2 name-like fields, "ModeName" and "Speaker". For most voices, only one of the fields is really descriptive, the other contains a generic name. 01.09.36 # amiconn: error 01.09.38 # Just use the name that is more descriptive 01.09.41 # :/ 01.09.58 # ?? What error? 01.11.46 # line 2, char 1 ---> error (i don't know how to translate this... but says something about ActiveVoice.activeVoice.. something like can't locate or something like that :/ 01.12.41 # Ah. I have an idea what might be going on... 01.14.59 # Try the updated version. 01.15.29 # If this also doesn't work, it is likely that voice file generation won't work either. 01.15.51 # If this is the case, you'll probably need to install the SAPI4 SDK. 01.16.01 # now it's line 8, char 5.. cant find again the activevoice.activevoice.1 01.16.03 # :) 01.16.43 # That means you don't have either ActiveX control that is needed for SAPI4 scripting. 01.16.53 # strange 01.17.09 # as i have installed this 01.17.10 # but.. 01.17.14 # if it says so.. 01.17.14 # :D 01.17.20 # anyway 01.17.22 # is quite late 01.17.30 # maybe tomorrow i can think a bit better 01.17.32 # You have the SAPI *4* sdk installed? 01.17.32 # cu 01.17.35 # and thanks 01.17.48 # Anyway, nite! 01.18.02 # amiconn: i thinki installed when i made the "folder and file" voice 01.18.38 # You can't have used the TTS voice for files & folders. 01.18.58 # The files & folders voice script doesn't support SAPI4, it uses SAPI5 * 01.19.02 # *only* 01.19.46 # The SAPI5 SDK doesn't include SAPI4 support; SAPI4 and SAPI5 are entirely different. 01.21.44 # yes, but i installed a lot of things 01.21.45 # :D 01.22.02 # i installed TT 01.22.10 # TTS3000 then 01.22.36 # and i think i installed or at least tried to install SAPI4 01.22.38 # :/ 01.22.40 # can't remember 01.22.42 # Yes. However, it looks like TTS3000 doesn't include the necessary ActiveX controls. 01.22.48 # possibly 01.22.50 # :) 01.23.22 # SAPI4 SDK is huge (but not as huge as SAPI5 SDK) - about 40 MB. And it is rather hard to find nowadays.... 01.23.47 # There is also a runtime distribution, which is small, but maybe not sufficient. 01.23.59 # anyway 01.24.12 # i'll try to get a sapi5 voice 01.24.22 # i really like loquendo spanish voices 01.24.23 # :) 01.26.00 # good night 01.26.06 # night 01.26.10 Part jyp ("zoom!") 01.26.51 Part quelsaruk ("Ooh, look, a shiny object...") 01.28.04 Quit preglow ("thom go home") 02.09.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.12.59 Part amiconn 02.17.31 Quit Stryke` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.23.20 Quit mecraw_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 02.39.00 Quit Ka_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.41.01 Join Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 03.05.50 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-114.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.39.20 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@24-168-110-99.si.rr.com) 03.39.33 Quit Stryke` (Remote closed the connection) 04.09.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.04.29 Quit MooMaunder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.44 Quit Qrutpomp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.10.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.17.17 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 07.08.13 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.10.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.11.05 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.32.19 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.47.33 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.55.18 # major iriver fraud alert on ebay... 08.57.18 # some chinese guy has put up 16 H140's with the same explanation about having to sell his 140 because his car stereo only connects to an ipod 08.58.09 # ... how is that even possible? 08.59.55 # good question 09.00.04 # he has put up a load of 120's too 09.03.04 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.03.06 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.41.42 # lol 09.42.15 # how is the iriver port of rockbox going? will it work on both ihp 140 and h340? 09.42.34 # we're focusing on the h100 series first 09.50.59 Quit pike ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 10.10.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.19.24 Join MooMaunder [0] (~me@194.152.87.150) 10.29.11 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD95D1570.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.29.27 # hi 10.29.37 # good day 10.30.58 Join quelsaruk [0] (~kvirc@80.103.130.62) 10.31.01 # hi 10.40.10 # ?Do not allow children to play in the dishwasher.? 10.40.30 # But I wanna! :( 10.40.36 # ?Never use hair dryer while sleeping? 10.40.48 # :) 10.40.48 # dwihno: you are allowed, you're not a child anymore 10.41.00 # Bagder: I'm the child of my mother 10.41.02 # wacky warning labels --> http://www.mlaw.org/wwl/pastwinners.html 10.41.08 # Bagder: so perhaps I can't play in her dishwasher 10.41.26 # you have to get your own 10.43.45 # "Do not eat toner" 10.49.28 Join Nibbler [0] (~sw@p3E9D40B2.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.51.13 # crlf 10.51.20 # rolf 10.53.12 # tr -d '\015' < language.h > language2.h 10.53.30 # useful little line 10.53.48 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7E842.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.54.22 # * quelsaruk is happy now 10.54.35 # i think i'm even gonna cry 10.54.37 # :) 10.55.00 # does it speak spanish? 10.55.27 # spanish? does that exist? 10.55.46 # i made my first commit after more than one year 10.55.54 # ah, that 10.56.05 # congratulations! 10.56.09 # ¬¬ 10.56.13 # thanks :) 11.01.21 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 11.01.22 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7E842.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.09.07 # i'm still puzzled why the activestate perl produces wrong databases 11.09.50 # if you use the same input and two perls, can't you see what byte(s) that differ? 11.10.25 # yes, it was the third field of the header last time i checked 11.11.27 # songdb doesn't binmode 11.11.36 # can that be the reason? 11.11.59 # ahh, it probably is 11.12.15 # amazing that old crap still lives in windows 11.12.37 # yeps 11.12.44 # and it always hits you over the fingers 11.13.01 # i'm amazed that we keep stumbling on that binmode crap, and never learn :-) 11.13.39 # yeah 11.13.43 # we're getting too old 11.13.52 # maybe we should be taken outside and shot? 11.14.26 # maybe we should stop meddling with inferior systems :) 11.14.50 # maybe we should patch those systems to do right? :-P 11.15.26 # send a patch to microsoft 11.16.11 # yes, I'll just checkout the latest from cvs first 11.16.54 # cvs -d microsoft.com/cvsroot co windows 11.19.27 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 11.21.05 Join edx [0] (edx@p54879D0A.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.26.55 # Visual SourceSafe!!! :) 11.27.02 # Or whatever their product is named 11.27.17 # The question is, how do they keep track of that product? :) 11.29.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: r u there? 11.29.03 # microsoft doesn't use sourcesafe 11.29.21 # it isn't safe 11.29.28 # and that's not a joke 11.30.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> at least it behaves better than ClearCase here 11.30.30 # possibly 11.30.31 # lunch 11.30.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> but it's only suitable for local projects 11.30.55 # but if you google for 5 mins, you'll find hundreds of shocking stories about sourcesafe 11.31.11 # plus the fact that MS themselves don't use it 11.31.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> they perhaps don't use it because it's not powerful enough 11.31.45 # like clearcase 11.31.54 # it is a wellknown fact that sourcesafe repositories break every now and then 11.31.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> no sophisticated branching, multisite, etc. 11.32.23 # Bagder: uplang should not have a line like >> print "voice: ".$all{$id, 'voice'}."\n"; in the *output new phares not translated* ??? 11.32.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> you have to sortof "checkdisk" them 11.32.43 # [IDC]Dragon: I am here (sort of) 11.32.44 # MS use some perforce 11.32.54 # developed for them 11.33.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I traced the player image, seems OK 11.33.24 # quelsaruk: why not? 11.33.43 # Bagder: i say it should, or at least i wanted to say that... 11.33.48 # aha 11.33.50 # right now, that doesn't exist 11.34.02 # if that fixes a problem, go ahead 11.34.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I've checked it both decompressing image 1 and going there, plus executing image 2 (rombox) 11.34.45 # [IDC]Dragon: So I'll put up the zip to my webspace now. 11.35.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm fine with it, yes 11.35.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> but still, ask somebody if he wants to volunteer and tell results asap 11.37.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN probably didn't mod his player yet? 11.38.11 # i did the uart mod last night, but then my kids woke up... :-( 11.39.00 # and Bagder, there's a problem with uplang checking voice lines :/ it changes all voices to default (english) 11.39.18 # that's bad 11.40.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> must be a noisy uart mod... ;-) 11.41.56 # lol 11.42.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> did you exchange the chip? 11.42.45 # no, i want to make sure theu boot mod works before i do that 11.42.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, fair 11.45.27 # * LinusN has a nice soldering tip that heats an entire row of pins at once 11.45.38 # soldering the flash is a breeze 11.45.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> I have such a tip as well 11.46.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> two, in fact, it's a tweezer 11.46.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> well, my company has it 11.46.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> I use that only for soldering it out 11.46.55 # [IDC]Dragon: Flash package updated in webspace. 11.47.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll update mine, too 11.47.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> probably the other .bin is identical, too 11.48.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: a breeze? last time you had a short or so 11.50.05 # yes, it is not that well suited for soldering, mainly unsoldering 11.50.13 # tweezer? 11.50.23 # pincett? 11.50.24 # pincett på svenska 11.50.29 # ah, ok 11.50.36 # Bagder: don't you think that uplang should only update the voice line when changes from "" to "some text here"? So it doesn't change translated voice lines... 11.50.39 # (eller snarare franska) 11.50.40 # my engrish not guud 11.50.50 # formfranska 11.51.00 # lunch time 11.51.14 # quelsaruk: uplang is probably lacking in the voice department in general 11.51.18 # since it was added later on 11.51.24 # yes 11.51.26 # :) 11.53.12 # I think uplang should replace the voice: entry with english only if the eng: entry changed. 11.53.28 # maybe 11.53.29 # :) 11.53.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> there are some caveats with the voice entries 11.53.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> to properly deal with only the truly spoken entries, and voice-only entries 11.59.43 # have to go.. bbl 12.01.03 Nick quelsaruk is now known as Quel|away (~kvirc@80.103.130.62) 12.10.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.09 Join Qrutpomp [0] (Taxi@oslo-dhcp-248-180.bluecom.no) 13.02.22 # now makedb.bat works 13.04.25 # already? :-) 13.04.50 # the path problem was due to double slashes. windows can't handle that. 13.12.00 # as i say, check the docs for libc, there's rather a lot of them 13.12.04 # argh 13.12.04 # wrong channel 13.30.43 # [IDC]Dragon: how much of your "virtual directory entry" code for the mmc folder is ready? i need to add virtual entries to the id3 browser, and it would be good if we handle it with the same/similar code 13.43.33 # Zagor: is the db stuff already usable in the current daily build? 13.43.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: it is ready 13.44.21 # Lynx_: you can play around with it, but you can't play music with it yet 13.44.50 # Zagor: good enough for now, i'll try it :) 13.45.08 # [IDC]Dragon: but it's not committed, is it? 13.45.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> it is 13.45.21 # oh. where do I look? 13.45.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> since quite a while 13.45.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> in dir.c, opendir() or so 13.46.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> what do you want to "virtualize"? 13.46.08 # ah, naturally. well then can't do it the same way 13.46.39 # i need to create a top folder containing folders "Artists", "Albums", "Songs" etc 13.46.55 # as per the tree in wiki:TagDatabase 13.46.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> just for the tree browser, I guess 13.47.04 # yes 13.47.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> ok, mine is lower 13.47.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> but only very little code 13.48.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> in opendir() and readdir() 13.48.31 # yeah I see it 13.50.37 # Zagor: hmm, why does the batch file work under windows now? Isn't it still just / as a path? 13.52.53 Nick Quel|away is now known as quelsaruk (~kvirc@80.103.130.62) 14.00.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: Jens raised the issue on how somebody could create a db for the multivolumed Ondio 14.00.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> not that would be very large... 14.01.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> ... on a flash player 14.02.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> it would require 2 script runs into a joined db 14.02.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> with the entries of the 2nd prefixed "//" 14.08.28 # I'm thinking of writing a createdb plugin anyway. This shouldn't run very long on the Ondio... 14.10.10 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.10.39 # hmmm... 14.11.29 # * quelsaruk fighting with cygwin 14.12.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: true 14.13.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> I still walk around with the idea of using the true volume name of the partition 14.14.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> in sharp brackets, instead of 14.14.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> with hotswat, a db could even spawn multiple cards 14.14.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> hotwap, hehe, not hotsweat 14.15.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> you could be queried to insert card to carry on ;-) 14.17.50 # A dbmerge shouldn't be too difficult to write. 14.20.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> something like joining the content, taking the max. field size of both, re-sorting the tables 14.22.18 # Lynx_: the / path wasn't the problem. the problem was the script tried to open doubleslashed paths sometimes 14.22.20 # yup. Not too different from db creation 14.22.33 # dbmerge should be fairly easy, yes 14.23.24 # i also plan to write an --addnew option to songdb.pl, which only scans for added/removed files 14.24.23 # Zagor: ah, my mistake then... 14.24.58 # Zagor: won't scanning for added/removed files take as long as rebuilding the db? 14.25.20 # no, since we don't need to open and read all existing files. 14.25.37 # we only read the dir and check that they exist in the database 14.25.44 # Zagor: Ah, of course, forgot the id3 thing ;) 14.25.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> why not use --addnew all the time then? 14.26.13 # [IDC]Dragon: good point 14.26.17 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 14.26.18 # [IDC]Dragon: what if only the id3 tags changed? i do that all the time... 14.26.31 # or does it check for file sizes? 14.26.51 # if changing the tag alters the mp3 file size in the first place 14.27.06 # not necessarily 14.27.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> well, then rather a --forcerefresh option 14.27.18 # exactly 14.27.33 # what is portalplayer? :V 14.27.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> which is the same as deleting the db file first... 14.28.06 # preglow: a cpu/microcontroller used in the ipod, rio karma and iriver h10. 14.28.38 # yes, i saw some post linus made on misticriver mentioning that 14.28.55 # i like the coldfire, heh 14.29.18 # Seems like the H10 is going to have countless limits 14.29.36 # Only ipod-like people will buy it (that is, only people with design in mind) 14.29.56 # the windows only limitation is more than enough to make me never look at it 14.30.05 # seems i got one of irivers last good players with the h120 14.30.19 # dwihno: i think rather people that don't research before they buy will buy it. sadly, there are many such people. 14.30.23 # Zagor: there is no support for more than one db file, is there? short of renaming them, i mean. 14.30.29 # Lynx_: no 14.30.53 # Zagor: considering the price, people should read up the subject before purchasing 14.30.59 # Zagor: woudn't make much sense anyway, thinking about it 14.32.05 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@217.30.249.236) 14.33.58 # I'm actually quite pleased with my ifp-799 14.34.11 # I wouldn't buy it if it didn't have the ums firmware 14.36.53 # i bought the h120 because it had vorbis support and gapless playback was to be added in a future firmware. i didn't know better than to trust them at the time. 14.40.40 # Zagor: If the filedate would be stored in the db, a tag-only change could be detected as well without opening the file 14.41.41 # yes, that might be a good idea 14.50.58 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 14.51.13 # It looks like the neuros is finally open source and up and running... http://neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/view/Main/GarBageChangelog 14.54.42 # it's been like that for a while now. but they still have closed-source compiler and libraries 14.55.22 # though it's definitely progressing in a good direction 14.55.26 # and each developer can only be active for 90 days, unless they shell out a ton of cash for the compiler :-) 14.55.58 # still, it's cool that they are gaining momentum in the development 14.56.17 # yup 14.56.40 # what cpu does it use? 14.57.03 # a TI DSP 14.57.14 # ahh 14.57.21 # TI TMS320C54xx fixed point DSP 14.57.22 # pretty much explains it 14.58.57 # thus they need the TI compiler 14.59.16 # at least it 14.59.20 # is coming along. 14.59.21 # b 15.01.28 # sorry for the random mess. I am putting a new keyboard in here... the enter button is nearly stuck down. maybe I shouldn't eat cotton candy dipped in honey when I am at work! 15.08.59 Quit R3nTiL () 15.09.08 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~knoppix@80.135.100.190) 15.09.42 # I like langhaarrocker better! 15.10.26 # I prefered that nick too, but it isn't true any more. 15.11.13 # * kurzhaarrocker needs new earphones 15.12.41 # does anybody here know whether there are _that_ legendary koss earphones? 15.12.51 # that? 15.13.42 # generally people seem to think highly of koss earphones. But they make many models. 15.14.45 Quit elinenbe (" WOW! This IRC Client ownz! HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 15.16.23 # kurzhaarrocker: their 'porta pro' model is frequently mentioned 15.16.50 # * kurzhaarrocker looks 15.17.08 # grmpf 15.17.14 # i just love my EX70's 15.17.17 # That's real headphones, not hearphones 15.17.47 # The EX70 are fine for train journeys but I hate them while walking 15.18.24 Quit Ka_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.18.24 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.18.24 Quit hgb (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.18.57 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.18.57 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 15.18.57 NJoin hgb [0] (~hgb@cm-80.111.5.236.chello.no) 15.18.57 # strange. I thought it was Zagor who was in awe of the EX70. 15.20.21 # i bought some ex-51s and love them too 15.20.54 Quit MooMaunder () 15.20.55 # but must change them to ex-71s cause they have are built up with smoother plastics than the ex-51s 15.21.28 # kurzhaarrocker: yeah i like them 15.22.09 # but I can understand why you don't like them while walking. all sealed earphones give that effect. 15.22.16 # yes 15.22.25 # i don't walk much ;) 15.22.35 # And the wires are so thin they whistle in the wind 15.22.36 # what effect? 15.22.44 # sort of a thump for each step 15.22.50 # hmm 15.23.09 # like walking around when you have your fingers plugged into your ears. 15.23.10 # kurzhaarrocker: oh, i've never noticed that. and I use them a lot on my bike. 15.23.11 # i haven't noticed it, but i've never owned koss earphones either 15.23.12 # and the scraping sound of the clothes against the wire sort of travels into the phones 15.23.26 # LinusN: that is annoying, though 15.23.26 # preglow: we're talking about sony here :) 15.23.30 # hah 15.23.31 # ok 15.23.46 # LinusN for that effect I found something worse: Sony E931 15.23.53 # but i like that they are sealed 15.24.08 # They coated the wires with cloth - a hell of rubbing sounds 15.24.19 # removes lots of ambient noise on the subway etc 15.24.34 # cloth, good idea :-) 15.24.35 # yes, i can't stand open earphones 15.24.45 # if i can hear the bus as it drives past me, something is wrong 15.25.21 # preglow: volume to low? :) 15.25.32 # kurzhaarrocker: i can assure you that's not a problem 15.28.31 # Rockbox on archos plays a lot louder than my iriver 15.28.38 # speaking of volume 15.30.02 Quit hgb (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.30.02 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.30.02 Quit Ka_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.30.10 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.30.50 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.30.50 NJoin hgb [0] (~hgb@cm-80.111.5.236.chello.no) 15.31.22 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 15.33.25 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 15.33.26 # * kurzhaarrocker still doesn't know why all those electronic toys don't have simple potis as volume dials 15.34.14 # kurzhaarrocker: size 15.34.24 # and probably durability 15.34.42 # Bagder: why is that? 15.34.59 # pah! Up & down buttons use the same space and wear off just the same. 15.35.06 # preglow: probably just a sw issue 15.35.25 # the original Archos firmware was a lot weaker too 15.35.25 # kurzhaarrocker: no, a pot will almost certainly wear faster 15.35.51 Quit Ka_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.36.11 # plus i can imagine that the analog amplifier gets more complicated 15.36.43 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 15.36.49 Join webguest97 [0] (~5082ff1e@labb.contactor.se) 15.36.54 # yes, unless the pot is used passively, ofcourse, in which case power will be wasted 15.36.57 # heh 15.37.00 # hi 15.37.03 # hi 15.37.07 # elo 15.37.23 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 15.37.55 # what ist the difference between firmware_rec.bin and firmware_rec_norom.bin?` 15.38.04 # or what is better? ;) 15.38.43 Join wake [0] (~wake@jeremywakeman.ott.istop.com) 15.39.00 # anyone an idea? 15.39.16 # it depends on your boot ROM 15.39.30 # i have the archos recorder 20 15.39.41 # if the debug menu shows a checksum, then you should use the regular one 15.40.02 # if it doesn't show a checksum, you should use the _norom 15.40.23 # what point is it in the debug menu? 15.40.34 # view hw info iirc 15.41.25 # just copy both .bin files to your archos, the firmware flash plugin will select the appropriate one 15.41.26 # and where is now the checksum? 15.41.36 # have both there 15.41.48 # but the firmware programm cant flash it 15.42.11 # what does it say? 15.42.21 # impossible to programm 15.42.36 # m=?? d=?? 15.42.37 # then you might not have a programmable flash chip 15.42.47 # there you go, you can't flash it, sorry 15.43.12 # buts its the recorder edition 15.43.18 # you have to replace the flash chip 15.43.27 # a non-programmable flash chip? isn't that an oxymoron? ;) 15.43.34 # not all recorders have programmable flash chips 15.43.39 # fuck 15.43.50 # webguest97: maybe later 15.43.50 # well, they are programmable, but not in-place 15.43.51 # doesn't that make it a rom and not a flash? 15.43.56 # ahh 15.44.02 Quit Ka_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.44.18 # they can be replaced, but it is not trivial 15.44.29 # heared that only the studio edition cant be flashed 15.44.37 # they can 15.44.51 # there are a few studios out there with the proper chips 15.45.53 # isnt it possible to write a new flashprogram? 15.45.54 # according to our documentation, "chances are about 85% (recorders) that you have [the correct flash chip]" 15.46.04 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 15.46.04 # for the recorder.. 15.46.15 # webguest97: no, the chips aren't made to be in-place programmable 15.46.25 # oh no 15.46.33 # a cheaper version 15.46.45 # what advantage does it have to have it in a flash? 15.46.54 # know only about boottime.. 15.47.00 # you can reprogram the flash chips in stock 15.47.13 # ah, yes, faster boot time 15.47.24 # how much should the EX70 cost? 15.47.27 # and nothing more? 15.47.32 # and even more mp3 buffer, if you run the code from flash (rombox) 15.47.50 # doesn't running code from flash impair execution speed quite a bit? 15.48.11 # not that much, the flash is fast 15.48.17 # preglow: Not much, something like 10% overall 15.48.21 # ahh, not more 15.48.24 # and the dram is pretty slow 15.48.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> t 16 bit, vs. the flash is 8 bit 15.49.03 # do you know what the irivers run the code from? 15.49.12 # preglow: sdram 15.49.29 # so the entire flash is copied to sdram? 15.49.33 # kurzhaarrocker: you can also use senheisser mx-550 earphones (i just read the log) 15.49.36 # sort of 15.49.40 # damn, precious mp3 buffer :/ 15.50.02 # * kurzhaarrocker takes down a note, thx quelsaruk 15.50.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> preglow: the crucial code runs from IRAM 15.50.20 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 15.50.22 # how much iram does the coldfire have? 15.50.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> an internal, fast 32 bit memory 15.50.35 # 96k 15.50.37 # Lynx_ I bought mine ex70 when there were no euro yet... 15.50.50 # 96kwords? 15.50.54 # 96 is goodness 15.50.55 # kbytes 15.51.02 # ahh, still not bad by far 15.51.33 # quelsaruk: I use Sennheiser MX-400 (predecessors of MX-550). 15.51.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> vs. 4 KB on Archos 15.52.00 # i have B&O ones, but bought MX-500 to my brother and really like how they sound :) 15.52.16 # and MX-550 were even better, but out of stock :/ 15.52.16 # kurzhaarrocker: are they still available? seem kinda hard to find... 15.52.29 # * kurzhaarrocker shrugs 15.52.44 # As I already own them I haven't searched for them 15.52.54 Part LinusN 15.56.09 # why isnt it possible to play wma tracks with the archos recorder 20? 15.56.42 # because it only supports mp3 15.56.57 # what the firmware or the hardware? 15.57.00 # hardware 15.57.10 # hmm 15.57.23 # isnt it possible to emulate wma? 15.57.42 # no. the hardware ONLY supports mp3. we can't even play raw sound data. 15.57.56 # and wma is evil anyway 15.58.06 # indeed 15.58.19 # i had the creative jukebox first.. 15.58.30 # Inquisition will act if wma is being used in rockbox :D 15.58.39 # there you could use many soundcodecs after a firmware update 15.59.53 # do i have to solder if i want to disable my flashes writeprotectioN? 15.59.58 # webguest97: yes, because it did software decoding. the archos has hardware decoding. 16.00.07 # ok.. 16.02.08 Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@134.96.247.243) 16.05.21 # oh: The only chance then is to solder in the right chip (SST39VF020) 16.06.49 Quit webguest97 ("CGI:IRC") 16.10.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.40.55 # amiconn: do you use cygwin? 16.43.32 # yup 16.44.14 # i have a strange issue with X11 16.44.56 # i start it, but not "log in"... that is, i can see only a stupid screen, where i can do nothing... 16.45.26 # i was able, before i re-installed O.S. and software :/ 16.46.12 # how do you start it, using X command? startX? or which one? 16.46.33 # quel - have you tried sshing in and exporting DISPLAY to 127.0.0.1:1 then running xterm or somethign? 16.47.00 # no ripnetuk, haven't tried :) 16.47.22 # does it look like x is running, but with no window manager etc? (ie can you move the mouse cursor around) 16.47.36 # i can move the cursor... 16.47.58 # sounds like you are just missing a window manager then 16.48.05 # yups.. 16.48.10 # but i don't know why... 16.48.18 # i'll try to re-install it again 16.48.25 # ususally works :) 16.50.49 # quelsaruk: If you get a window resembling an X11 screen with no window manager (dotted background) you should really consider upgrading your cygwin installation 16.51.33 # that's what i'm doing right now 16.51.35 # :) 16.51.35 # Current cygwin uses xorg-x11, which is way better on cygwin the xfree86, for quite some time now. 16.51.44 # thanks 16.52.05 # (btw, i installed cygwin again yesterday... should have xorg-x11) 16.53.24 # Did you install from the net? Even if so, you may have used an outdated mirror. 16.54.20 # yes, from net... i use Rediris (spanish network) 16.54.31 # but usually is up-to-date 16.54.53 # i'm re-installing X, just in case 16.59.45 # hmm 16.59.49 # i'm getting the same 16.59.57 # really strange, never happened this 17.00.04 # so i will unistall cygwin 17.00.08 # and re-install... 17.00.15 # :( 17.00.30 # i have to build the cross-compiler again :( 17.03.04 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 17.06.25 Nick quelsaruk is now known as Quel|away (~kvirc@80.103.130.62) 17.10.25 Quit Ka_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.10.25 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.10.40 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.10.40 NJoin Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 17.12.17 # amiconn: which mirror do you use? 17.16.34 # ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de 17.21.25 # have u considered colinux as an alternative to cygwin? 17.21.44 # it provides a 'real' linux distro, which runs in a window under Windows 17.24.07 # No. Cygwin runs fine, so no reason to switch. 17.24.15 # ok 17.24.34 # However, I once tried installing Windows services for unix. Horrible... 17.24.46 # hehe never tried that 17.40.26 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@217.30.249.209) 17.41.36 Join Spida_ [0] (Spida@pD9E09DA7.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.42.40 Quit ripnetuk () 17.52.15 Quit Spida (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.59.27 Quit R3nTiL () 17.59.28 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.59.39 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 18.00.55 Quit Schnueff ("leaving") 18.02.51 Part Zagor 18.10.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.11.35 Part kurzhaarrocker 18.46.37 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.06.21 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 19.42.35 # amiconn: 19.42.39 # now i know what happened 19.42.47 # yes? 19.43.07 # this new xorg-x11 is really strange 19.43.33 # I think it's rather clever, as it integrates X11 into the Windows desktop 19.43.52 # you have to run X and then i have to go to Start menu and run there xterm 19.44.05 # maybe clever 19.44.13 # but i'm not used to this 19.44.31 # Mostly I use it for running the X11 sim, by typing "startx ./rockboxui.exe" 19.44.59 # :) 19.45.11 # i'll try to learn how to use this.. 19.46.18 # The old xfree86 X11 was imho (1) a bit cumbersome, to simulate another desktop within a window. 19.46.45 # (2) Running X applications was also sometimes unstable. 19.47.43 # i don't say it was better, but i was used to that "virtual desktop" in a window 19.47.44 # pfaedit crashed numerous times back then. 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Unfortunately we do have to split the voice file downloads; one set for release 2.4 and one set for current cvs. 23.46.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> because of deprecated strings 23.47.25 # yup. 23.51.00 # Crystal is now a bit larger than 1.5 MB. I wonder if I should go down to 12 kHz... 23.57.57 Quit quelsaruk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))