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00.01.56 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Did you already try the new id3 browse categories? The browse-by-album is rather irritating for albums with multiple artists...
00.02.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I tried, yes
00.02.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> by album doesn't help me
00.02.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but maybe in case you've forgotten the artist
00.03.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what happens with samplers`?
00.04.19 #       <amiconn> If there are n different artists on the sampler, you get the same album listed n times.
00.04.41 #       <Bagder> that's a problem
00.04.42 #       <amiconn> Each virtual folder contains the songs of one artist on that sampler.
00.04.49 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Why?
00.04.57 #       <Bagder> you don't know if two artists made an album named the same thing
00.05.40 #       <amiconn> Yeah, there is a slight chance that this happens. The ambiguity can be lowered by also considering the year (if present)
00.05.43 #       <Bagder> of course one can make assumptions
00.06.06 #       <Bagder> year could possibly be used
00.06.14 #       <Bagder> but it could also make it worse, if badly set
00.07.10 #       <amiconn> Imho the problem of accidentally showing 2 different albums as one is far less annoying than showing one album as many...
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00.07.33 #       <Bagder> yeah, I guess it is
00.07.41 #       * [IDC]Dragon is sleepy
00.07.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 'night!
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00.08.05 #       <amiconn> I have albums where I see pages and pages with the same album title :(
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01.22.36 #       <webguest84> so...
01.22.54 #       <webguest84> ny one here
01.22.57 #       <webguest84> ...
01.23.02 #       <webguest84> nyone
01.23.04 #       <webguest84> l8ta
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01.24.34 #       <preglow> that was a quick conclusion
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08.33.45 #       <dwihno> Good morning to you!
08.34.17 #       <LinusN> morning
08.40.33 #       <dwihno> I have a question for you... Too bad I forgot what it was all about :)
08.45.24 #       <LinusN> then the answer is 42
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08.47.54 #       <dwihno> :)
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09.02.07 #       <webguest16> HI there
09.02.17 #       <LinusN> hi
09.02.32 #       <webguest16> do u speak italian?
09.02.58 #       <LinusN> i haven't spoke italian for many years
09.03.09 #       <LinusN> my italian is a bit...rusty
09.03.13 #       <webguest16> tok
09.03.15 #       <webguest16> ok
09.03.25 #       <webguest16> then excuse me for my horrible english
09.03.26 #       <webguest16> ok?
09.03.32 #       <LinusN> ok
09.03.58 #       <webguest16> i'm searching a opensource
09.04.04 #       <webguest16> firmware for my archos av120
09.04.11 #       <webguest16> but i dont found it in internet
09.04.21 #       <webguest16> do u know if it exists?
09.04.40 #       <LinusN> av1xx, that's the "multimedia", right?
09.05.11 #       <webguest16> mmmm
09.05.37 #       <webguest16> it shows divx xvid...
09.05.54 #       <Zagor> there is only a linux port
09.06.01 #       <LinusN> i know that there is work being done for the 300 seires
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09.06.42 #       <webguest16> me too for 300 series
09.06.50 #       <webguest16> but sigh, i have a 100 series
09.07.01 #       <Zagor> hmm, i thought linav worked for 100 too. apparently not.
09.07.35 #       <LinusN> i don't know if there is anything for the 100, sorry
09.08.04 #       <webguest16> i would like use a linux version for my 100 
09.08.23 #       <webguest16> but 100 a 300 arent very different...
09.09.01 #       <webguest16> Zagor
09.09.04 #       <Zagor> they're not that different hardware-wise, are they? only display and button differs afaik
09.09.22 #       <Zagor> ..and the cpu is a different model but same type
09.09.31 #       <LinusN> that's what i thought too
09.09.46 #       <webguest16> zagro where can I find a version for 300
09.09.54 #       <Zagor> linav.sf.net
09.09.56 #       <LinusN> http://linav.free.fr/
09.09.59 #       <webguest16> that run on my 100?
09.10.20 #       <Zagor> no, it's for 300 as you asked
09.10.57 #       <webguest16> but dont run on 100 ....
09.10.58 #       <webguest16> ?
09.11.06 #       <LinusN> probably not
09.11.17 #       <LinusN> you'd have to port it to the 100
09.11.34 #       <LinusN> and i have no idea if it is hard or even possible
09.11.48 #       <webguest16> ok
09.11.50 #       <webguest16> sigh
09.13.48 #       <Zagor> oh great, now software patents have moved from being a question for the fishery ministers to be decided on an agricultural meeting. someone is very afraid of democracy
09.17.00 #       <webguest16> Have u seen the new archos product?
09.17.04 #       <webguest16> pma400
09.17.09 #       <webguest16> it's very nice
09.17.09 #       <Zagor> yes
09.17.44 #       <Zagor> i like that they finally gave in and started using linux.
09.18.09 #       <webguest16> but which version is Linux Qtopia?
09.20.47 #       <Zagor> qtopia is a window manager/graphics library
09.21.02 #       <Zagor> it's not the linux version, it's software that run on top of linux
09.22.15 #       <Zagor> basically, it's kde for small machines
09.28.26 #       <webguest16> ok thank
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09.54.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: I noticed the Artists/Albums/Songs language entries have a voice strin, too
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09.55.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> are they really voiced? does that make sense?
09.55.28 #       <Zagor> umm, yeah. that wasn't really a concious decision. :-)
09.55.56 #       <Schnueff> moin
09.56.08 #       <Zagor> they are not voiced
09.56.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we should be careful not to have "orphans" in the voice file, space is precious there
09.56.19 #       <Zagor> yeah
09.56.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> unfortunately, I don't have a good way to check this
09.57.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I did it once by hand, when I introduced the feature
09.57.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> since then, it's incremental
09.58.01 #       <Zagor> perhaps we do want them voiced, though...
09.58.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> right now, I think it doesn't make sense, imho
09.58.37 #       <Zagor> why not?
09.58.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how should we proceed down below? spell everything?
09.58.59 #       <Zagor> yes
09.59.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or build a voice database, too?
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10.15.49 #       <Lynx_> howdy
10.16.50 #       <Zagor> are there any other mp3 manager programs out there that does a decent job at handling multi-artist albums?
10.18.21 #       <Zagor> using the path as id is my best idea so far
10.18.39 #       <Bagder> that's a pretty good idea
10.18.58 #       <Zagor> it won't work for those people who simply shove all their files in the root, but i don't see how we can ever handle that
10.19.13 #       <Bagder> right
10.19.28 #       <Zagor> i count 20 "Best of" albums released in 2003... :-)
10.19.36 #       <Bagder> hehe
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10.37.26 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Strange that "Best of" doesn't tour when they release that many albums
10.38.05 #       <Zagor> hehe
10.40.30 #       <dwihno> When will there be a decision about software patents in the EU?
10.45.13 #       <Zagor> dwihno: they're trying to force it through without debate on monday again
10.45.56 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Is there anybody here who likes software patents?
10.46.23 #       <Zagor> nobody likes them, apart from a handful patent lawyers
10.46.52 #       <Zagor> in fact the disdain is so widespread, even the politicians who lobby for it won't admit to it
10.47.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> I'll try to patent the concept of breething
10.48.06 #       <dwihno> I read about patents regarding CPU throttling techniques ... Seems like everybody wants to sue each and every one in the states.
10.48.54 #       <Zagor> yes, and now they want to bring the same chaos to europe
10.50.03 #       <dwihno> Let's just hope the decision makers won't let us down.
10.51.15 #       <Zagor> too late. the council and commission (yes, your local ministers) are trying to force it through despite the parliament rejecting it
10.52.17 #       <Zagor> http://kwiki.ffii.org/Fish0501En
10.52.44 #       <Zagor> (sorry for the ot politics, but this is massively important and scary stuff)
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10.55.00 #       <dwihno> :(
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11.03.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: it seems to be not as bad as it looks in that short article
11.04.01 #       <Zagor> explain
11.04.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm reading a longer article in a german news service
11.04.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (still trying to understand)
11.04.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/55338
11.05.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for you germans out there
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11.08.40 #       <Zagor> the council is violating their own rules in order to rush through a decision in a meeting for a completely different issue, hoping those who attend won't be briefed in time. i guess it *could* be worse, but i'm not sure how.
11.10.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if i read it correct, the latest version of the agreement in question doesn't make software patentable
11.10.57 #       <Zagor> yes it does
11.12.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm no expert
11.13.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the FFII is pledging our agricuture minister to take it off the agenda
11.13.06 #       <Zagor> it is written to give the impression of opposing sw patents, yet it explicitly avoids to set rules that would limit them. when called on it, the authors refuse to change anything.
11.13.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> she's from our "green party", who are opposing software patents
11.13.50 #       <Zagor> as i said before, no politician dares say they promote sw patents. everyone says they oppose them. yet some do not act like they say.
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11.14.03 #       <El_Barto2> Hi!
11.14.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and one voice is enought to take it off the agenda
11.14.24 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: sounds good. lets hope she does it.
11.14.26 #       <El_Barto2> can i charge my jukebox recorder 20 over my usb port?!
11.14.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
11.14.57 #       <El_Barto2> why not?
11.15.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there's no hardware which does it
11.15.15 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Ask archos, they designed it
11.15.34 #       <El_Barto2> hmm
11.15.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it'll need a higher voltage than the 5V found on USB
11.15.46 #       <El_Barto2> they forgot much things ;)
11.15.54 #       <El_Barto2> 9v right?
11.16.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> at least something that's higher than the fully charged cells
11.17.02 #       <kurzhaarrocker> Well even if they made a charging circuit for usb it would be very slow as usb doesn't provide much current.
11.17.11 #       <El_Barto2> hmm
11.17.24 #       <El_Barto2> and what is about a software decoder?
11.17.38 #       <El_Barto2> whould it run fast enough to encode wma and so on?
11.17.42 #       <kurzhaarrocker> no
11.18.01 #       <El_Barto2> not enough cpu?
11.18.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> please save us these no-do questions
11.18.41 #       <kurzhaarrocker> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo
11.19.34 #       <El_Barto2> ah...cool ;)
11.19.37 #       <El_Barto2> thx
11.20.25 #       <Zagor> the song table in the tag database should probably contain track number too
11.20.54 #       <Zagor> we display them in the correct order already, but without numbers it's not as obvious
11.21.22 #       <El_Barto2> other question wich isnt in the nodo list ;)
11.21.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I especially liked the lack of numbers
11.21.43 #       <Zagor> option time ;)
11.21.43 #       <El_Barto2> can i play an instrumental and record my voice over it?
11.21.56 #       <El_Barto2> with my archos recorder..
11.22.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> normally, my names are so cluttered
11.22.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> El_Barto2: no
11.22.53 #       <El_Barto2> only negative answers :(
11.23.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> unless you use 2 boxes
11.23.19 #       <El_Barto2> is it cause it doesnt support multitasking?
11.23.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the chip can either decode or encode
11.23.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the mp3 chip, that is
11.25.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: minimum clutter was to decorate them with track numbers, for proper sorting
11.25.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the database saves this screen estate
11.28.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Joerch just gave instructions to reproduce the address errors
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11.40.46 #       <El_Barto2> ok...thx for your help
11.40.47 #       <El_Barto2> bye!
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11.42.13 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I also got the stuck-in-directory bug twice with 2005-01-19 cvs build. Just it doesn't happen always, like before your 01-18 fixes.
11.42.31 #       <amiconn> This was after a resumed playlist ended normally.
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11.59.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the forum already has discussions about the Rockbox features on the H3xx
12.00.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it should have a better image viewer, better USB on the go, etc.
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12.14.34 #       <crash_> maybe someone should post thats some time to go before it's even possible to play songs on the h1xx
12.37.25 #       <Zagor> they know
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13.45.54 #       <LinusN> B4gder is l33t
13.46.04 #       <B4gder> I am soooo k3wl
13.46.13 #       <B4gder> :-)
13.49.24 #       <B4gder> redhat drives me nuts
13.49.33 #       <B4gder> everyone should use debian
13.50.39 #       <crash_> gentoo is also cool ;)
13.50.56 #       <B4gder> yes, if you wanna spend your life watching the computer compile
13.51.33 #       <LinusN> no, just set up a compile farm first...with gentoo...
13.51.57 #       <crash_> it's not that bad, for the big packages there are binaries
13.52.10 #       <crash_> like openfoffice, thunderbird, mozilla an so on
13.52.32 #       <B4gder> I talked to a person who said "its not that bad, I installed my 2Ghz system in less than 30 hours"
13.52.38 #       <B4gder> 30
13.52.40 #       <B4gder> hours
13.52.43 #       <crash_> lol
13.52.49 #       <crash_> he must have done something wrong
13.52.55 #       <crash_> this can be done in 18 ;)
13.52.56 #       <B4gder> he compiled a lot
13.53.27 #       <crash_> seriously, portage is the main point why i use gentoo
13.53.47 #       <crash_> would there be more binarie pakcges i would use them instead of compiling stuff
13.53.49 #       <crash_> brb
13.54.27 #       <Zagor> crash_: so why are you not using debian? all packages are precomiled there
13.55.11 #       <B4gder> want to get a feel for redhat ES3?
13.55.20 #       <B4gder> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
13.55.48 #       <Zagor> wow, that feels so.... 90s ;)
13.56.03 #       <B4gder> it hurts my head
13.56.37 #       <Zagor> you have my condoleances
13.57.22 #       <Zagor> sometimes i think redhat is one reason why linux isn't being used more by non-geeks
13.57.45 #       <Zagor> "switch from dll hell to rpm hell? no thanks, better the devil you know"
13.59.20 #       <B4gder> linux rookies tend to install many different distros
13.59.52 #       <B4gder> in fact, hanging out in the swedish linux "förenings" IRC channgel, most of them do nothign but install different distros
14.00.09 #       <Zagor> indeed, but also many people/companies try "the best" first: Red Hat Very Expensive Edition
14.00.15 #       <B4gder> yes
14.00.23 #       <B4gder> especially companies I guess
14.00.32 #       <B4gder> like this case I'm in front of...
14.00.42 #       <crash_> Zagor: i had installed debian once, and always had the feeling that i dont can install bleeding edge packages cause they are not available
14.01.02 #       <B4gder> I find debian faster than gentoo
14.01.15 #       <Zagor> crash_: you were probably using the wrong version. unstable is what you want.
14.01.22 #       <B4gder> (based on curl)
14.01.30 #       <Zagor> debian comes in three flavors: stable, testing and unstable.
14.01.47 #       <crash_> Zagor: i know, but got this information after i was familar with gentoo
14.01.53 #       <crash_> and dont have any problems since install
14.01.56 #       <crash_> why should i change
14.02.01 #       <crash_> i'm very glad with it
14.02.02 #       <crash_> :=
14.02.15 #       <crash_> and after all, the compiling stuff doenst bother me
14.02.22 #       <Zagor> :-)
14.02.26 #       <ashridah> Zagor: unstable generally doesn't follow beta stuff and newly released stuff as much as gentoo would. 
14.02.38 #       <crash_> and by the way i'
14.02.52 #       <Zagor> ashridah: i disagree, but we don't need to take that here :)
14.02.54 #       <crash_> m using linux since sept 04 so cant really speak of experience ;)
14.03.22 #       <crash_> why not, lets push the irc log to unknown sices, it never has been before *g*
14.03.59 #       <Zagor> 2002-08-28: 197KB
14.04.24 #       <crash_> i think thats easy to reach ;)
14.04.25 #       <Zagor> today so far: 20KB :)
14.04.46 #       <crash_> ok would be hard today, so what about starting this disucssion at 0:01 ;)
14.04.50 #       <crash_> no seriously
14.04.52 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.05.16 #       <crash_> if someone is glad with his sys, why wanna push him
14.05.27 #       <crash_> after all it's linux, the smarter decission
14.05.36 #       <crash_> decision
14.05.49 #       <Zagor> i don't mean to push, i was just curious
14.06.35 #       <crash_> but there are many out there trying to push people instead of just letting them do their stuff
14.06.52 #       <Zagor> yeah, just ignore them
14.07.07 #       <crash_> maybe sometime showing them the freedom of choice will be more effective
14.07.10 #       <crash_> ;)
14.07.34 #       <Zagor> ...sure, like putting out a fire with gasoline :)
14.07.43 #       <crash_> hrhr
14.07.51 #       <ashridah> Zagor: hey, that works if you use enough.
14.07.59 #       <Zagor> true :)
14.08.05 #       <ashridah> it's mostly the fumes that burn. 
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14.16.59 #       <Spida> can anybody tell me abit about the state of the iriver ihp 140 and h340 support?
14.17.23 #       <Zagor> Spida: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
14.18.56 #       <Spida> which variants of iriver hardware does the port support?
14.19.02 #       <B4gder> h1xx
14.19.17 #       <B4gder> the 3xx is pretty similar, but not identical
14.20.36 #       <B4gder> btw, one week to fame
14.20.40 #       <B4gder> :-)
14.20.47 #       <B4gder> M3 issue #1 2005
14.21.49 #       <LinusN> i believe it's out already, to the subscribers
14.21.58 #       <B4gder> aha
14.22.03 #       <B4gder> their site said 27th
14.22.23 #       <Spida> B4gder: is support for the 3xx planned?
14.22.49 #       <B4gder> I don't know if "planned" is the word, but we hope to have that, yes
14.23.00 #       <B4gder> it depends on the 3xx owners
14.23.09 #       <crash_> here here here ! *jump*
14.23.10 #       <crash_> *bounce*
14.23.11 #       <crash_> ;)
14.23.37 #       <crash_> i think Zagor was the one that told me to start c, so i can help
14.23.53 #       <Zagor> are you done yet? ;)
14.23.59 #       <crash_> :/
14.24.07 #       <B4gder> hehe
14.24.08 #       <crash_> it looks all so complex
14.24.20 #       <crash_> and rockbox isnt really the simplest thing to start c with
14.24.21 #       <Zagor> i've seen these books. "learn C in 24 hours". you mean they don't work?
14.24.29 #       <Zagor> crash_: true
14.24.47 #       <crash_> i'm not a person that can learn coding by reading a book
14.24.57 #       <B4gder> but Rockbox is a tiny little world, its not that complex like huge operating systems can be... :-)
14.25.20 #       <crash_> unfortunatly i havent codet a operating system either
14.25.23 #       <crash_> *g*
14.25.34 #       <B4gder> not yet
14.25.35 #       <B4gder> ;-)
14.25.46 #       <LinusN> crash_: what programming languages do you know?
14.25.50 #       <Zagor> our "Error accessing playlist control file" is a pretty lousy error message. it's displayed for 10 different error cases...
14.26.17 #       <LinusN> "general user fault"
14.26.26 #       * Zagor tries to make the id3 browser play
14.26.56 #       <crash_> LinusN: some time ago i codet c++ mfc, today mainly php / perl
14.27.05 #       <crash_> and some bash ;)
14.28.10 #       <crash_> someone here told me to start with the etch-a-skethc plugin to learn how rockbox works
14.30.46 #       <LinusN> c is pretty easy, i'd say the main work is to get the whole picture, how c is used in rockbox
14.30.58 #       <B4gder> re re reboot
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14.31.51 #       <LinusN> it's more about understanding the hardware and the rockbox structure than understanding the c language
14.32.37 #       <crash_> maybe, but there is no electronic feeling in me
14.33.03 #       <crash_> i canceld to study "nachrichtentechnik" after 2 semester
14.33.40 #       <crash_> it's a kind of study of electricty but mainly in low voltage regions, hope it quite clear what i mean
14.34.04 #       <crash_> for example i would like to implement a new kind of shuffle mode in rockbox
14.34.12 #       <LinusN> tell me
14.34.23 #       <crash_> cause i dont think the shuffle mode right now is really shuffle
14.34.37 #       <crash_> if you have lets say 20 albums on your disk
14.34.56 #       <crash_> my experience is that always the same artists are played together
14.35.21 #       <LinusN> which rockbox version is this?
14.35.40 #       <Zagor> crash_: in that case it's a bug. however i've never seen that.
14.35.51 #       <crash_> this is from beginning i used rockbox till now, the latest on my archos was 2.4
14.36.15 #       <crash_> i have the feeling this dependend on the random function in rockbox
14.36.16 #       <LinusN> i fixed a bug in the random generator
14.36.19 #       <LinusN> in 2.4
14.36.20 #       <crash_> when ?
14.36.32 #       <LinusN> in 2.4
14.36.37 #       <crash_> so this must have been gone by using 2.4 ?
14.36.41 #       <LinusN> should be
14.36.54 #       <LinusN> unless you found another bug
14.36.55 #       <crash_> can u describe how this bug showed up?
14.36.58 #       <crash_> hrhr
14.37.01 #       <crash_> no idea
14.37.07 #       <LinusN> it gave a very bad distribution
14.37.08 #       <Zagor> in reality it shouldn't be visible before 2.4 either. only very fringe cases.
14.37.38 #       <LinusN> Zagor: there were in fact two bugs
14.37.46 #       <crash_> my exgirlfriend also always told that there are always the same artists
14.38.39 #       <LinusN> in any case, if the shuffle isn't good enough, i suggest we fix that instead of introducing some new shuffle mode
14.39.25 #       <LinusN> but i suggest you give 2.4 a try, and see if it is any better
14.40.45 #       <Zagor> i suggest you make a short playlist, then play it shuffled and write down each song. several times. we need hard data to work.
14.40.56 #       <Zagor> with
14.41.48 #       <crash_> yeah sure
14.41.49 #       <LinusN> i still believe that 2.4 is good enough, a lot better than the previous versions
14.41.56 #       <crash_> but at the moment i only have my h320
14.42.09 #       <crash_> i dont have used 2.4 that long i think
14.42.21 #       <crash_> so i cant really say if there is the same behavior
14.42.28 #       <LinusN> ok
14.43.51 #       <crash_> my shufle mode would have been, to shuffle the playlist and a small remember function
14.44.08 #       <crash_> so that there would be the last 5 songs in it to assure
14.44.22 #       <crash_> that at least the last 5 artists are differrent
14.44.30 #       <Zagor> that's not shuffle
14.44.35 #       <crash_> artists in the sence of albums/folders on hadrddrive
14.44.56 #       <crash_> in addiotion to the normal shuffle
14.45.00 #       <Zagor> also that's pretty hairy to do with 10000 songs in your playlist
14.45.07 #       <LinusN> so you want to fix a bad random shuffle by making it less random?
14.45.35 #       <crash_> just to assure, there arent played the same artists within a given number of sings
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14.45.48 #       <crash_> i know this is quite hard to realise
14.45.58 #       <LinusN> and what if the playlist only contains 3 atrists?
14.46.10 #       <crash_> must be failsafe ;)
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14.46.30 #       <Zagor> crash_: it's probably a better idea to make a shuffler plugin instead, to make preshuffled playlists any way you like'em
14.47.04 #       <Zagor> the builtin shuffle will likely stay "pure shuffle"
14.47.10 #       <crash_> LinusN: just to make it clear, when the random mode in 2.4 is more random than the behavior i have experienced before my shuffle mode extension (;)) wouldnt be necessary
14.47.22 #       <crash_> this was only something spinning around in my head
14.48.11 #       <crash_> maybe, i'll put up the sim, and give it the same directory structe as my h320 and try if it plays more randomly
14.48.31 #       <crash_> but thats a quite boring job to do ;) cause there doesnt come sound from the sim *g*
14.49.10 #       <Zagor> you can just skip next,next,next.
14.51.49 #       <crash_> i know, came in my mind after i had writte itn ;)
14.52.04 #       <crash_> must try if i can use the sim over ssh -X
14.52.15 #       <crash_> could try from work;
14.52.58 #       <Zagor> it works, i do that all the time.
15.09.36 #       <crash_> ah perfect, so i'll give it a try
15.09.41 #       <crash_> another reason for linux
15.13.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> our company has plans to disable USB mass storage on our PCs
15.14.35 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: and cd's?
15.14.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> they don't have writers
15.15.16 #       <ashridah> [IDC]Dragon: :(. 
15.15.22 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: your company is neurotic...
15.15.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for a reason, yes
15.16.09 #       <ashridah> the win2k pcs at the CS department at my uni haven't disabled those yet. very handy (although i only leech from the university's mirrors to keep down the possibility of being noticed)
15.16.24 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: how would you disable usb mass storage anyway, block the ports or through software?
15.16.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've seen that somewhere else, must be a policy setting
15.17.10 #       <ashridah> Lynx_: policy, or just kill the driver and don't give the users enough rights to reinstall them
15.17.22 #       <Lynx_> [IDC]Dragon: what does you company make?
15.17.23 #       <ashridah> the policy is a bit broken, since it tends to clobber a lot more than usb storage
15.18.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we make "IP cores", mostly for SOCs
15.18.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in plain english, parts of chips
15.19.19 #       <Lynx_> ashridah: my uni is not that restrictive, i doubt anyone can connect my ip to my name ;)
15.20.41 #       <ashridah> we've got NDS covering most of the uni (except the cs department's logins, which are built up a different way), sadly, it's hard to not get noticed :(
15.21.38 #       <Lynx_> ashridah: what's NDS?
15.21.53 #       <ashridah> novell directory services
15.22.10 #       <Lynx_> ah
15.22.34 #       <ashridah> basically single login across the entire uni, including email services, for staff, students and service personelle
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15.32.41 #       <crash_> i have a problem with my x forwarding :/
15.32.55 #       <crash_> it's enabled in my sshd but it cant be opened from here
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15.46.34 #       <El_Barto2> Hi
15.46.39 #       <LinusN> hi
15.46.54 #       <El_Barto2> can i change my harddisk of the archos recorder 20 ?
15.47.23 #       <dwihno> yes you can!
15.47.28 #       <El_Barto2> wow
15.47.40 #       <El_Barto2> the first positive answer :)
15.47.47 #       <El_Barto2> do you have a tut for it?
15.48.46 #       <dwihno> nah
15.48.54 #       <dwihno> but it's easy
15.49.05 #       <dwihno> unscrew using a torx scredriver
15.49.12 #       <dwihno> apply some force to the bumpers and presto!
15.49.32 #       <LinusN> El_Barto2: check the documentation page on the rockbox site
15.49.40 #       <El_Barto2> ok thx
15.50.00 #       <LinusN> the "external links" section, at the bottom of the page
15.52.08 #       <El_Barto2> and where can i find the tool to convert avi files in rvf?
15.52.19 #       <El_Barto2> thx for the links...so far;)
15.55.09 #       <elinenbe> what is the importance of M3 issue #1 2005?
15.56.01 #       <LinusN> just an interview with Daniel, Björn and me
15.56.41 #       <elinenbe> also, Zagor, the id3 browser will list the same album many times.  Let's say I browse to albums... then there will be 12 of "St. Peppers' Lonely Heart's Club Band"
15.56.45 #       <elinenbe> each with one song.
15.56.54 #       <elinenbe> is M3 an international magazine?
15.57.00 #       <LinusN> nope
15.58.38 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: yes it will, since the artists are different
15.58.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> M3 issue #1 2005??
15.59.43 #       <elinenbe> Zagor, but the artist is the same...
15.59.48 #       <elinenbe> "The Beatles"
15.59.52 #       <LinusN> Zagor: different artists? i thought beatles made all of the songs on that album
16.00.02 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: have you verified that
16.00.03 #       <Zagor> ?
16.00.20 #       <Zagor> LinusN: id3 tags has nothing to do with reality...
16.00.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what's M3? what are you talking about?
16.00.39 #       <LinusN> a swedish magazine
16.01.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> about swinger clubs, or what?
16.01.23 #       <LinusN> yes, of course
16.01.49 #       <LinusN> about electronic gadgets
16.02.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sounds interesting
16.02.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> online?
16.02.48 #       <LinusN> only selected articles
16.03.50 #       <Zagor> it's not a very good magazine, actually
16.04.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> 11/04 is the latest I see
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17.03.53 #       <El_Barto2> do you know where i can get the GUI Video Conversion Tool?
17.04.14 #       <El_Barto2> http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/66978/RockVideoRelease.zip <-this link is down
17.04.37 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I just found how to disable USB mass storage. It's rather easy, just setting a registry entry. However, I don't get why someone wants to do this...
17.05.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi Jens
17.06.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sombody wants that to prevent employees walking away with a "project backup"
17.07.57 #       <amiconn> Imho, this is a question of trust. And anyway, if someone really wants to get such data out, there are numerous other ways.
17.08.08 #       <Zagor> El_Barto2: sorry, don't have it myself
17.08.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, don't tell me
17.08.17 #       <El_Barto2> hmm
17.08.33 #       <El_Barto2> or an example videofile?
17.08.34 #       <amiconn> Like: CD/DVD burners, floppy drives, eMail, HTTP upload...
17.08.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> El_Barto2: use the tools from my site
17.09.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and look into the RVF wiki page
17.09.30 #       <El_Barto2> ok
17.09.32 #       <El_Barto2> thx
17.09.41 #       <El_Barto2> perfect support here ;)
17.10.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial
17.10.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there are links to video clips at the bottom
17.11.12 #       <El_Barto2> ah ;)
17.12.21 #       <El_Barto2> super!
17.12.24 #       <El_Barto2> thx a lot#
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17.36.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yeah, the ID broser can play!
17.37.03 #       <Zagor> yup
17.37.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe there's a useful spinoff for my CD changer emu, too
17.37.54 #       <Zagor> ah
17.37.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> right now it doesn't change
17.38.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> disks, that is, it only can change tracks
17.38.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd need a way to create/modify the internal playlist from a plugin
17.39.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> haven't looked into it yet
17.39.29 #       <Zagor> amiconn talked about that yesterday
17.39.40 #       <Zagor> he sounded interested in looking at it
17.39.45 #       * [IDC]Dragon looks
17.40.08 #       <Zagor> oh, sorry. i meant creating the id3 database with a plugin.
17.40.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
17.40.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> plugin or external application, that could share some code
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20.40.04 #       <preglow> wassup, all
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21.18.17 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: r u there?
21.20.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
21.20.50 #       <amiconn> I found a problem with your voicefont tool :(
21.21.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> fix it :)
21.22.01 #       <amiconn> It only works correctly if all id: fields in the processed .lang file are in the same order as in english.lang
21.22.30 #       <amiconn> Otherwise some voice clips will be swapped.
21.23.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no good, indeed
21.25.27 #       <amiconn> Both uplang and binlang use english.lang in addition to the selected language as the master for id order to solve this.
21.25.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so it would have to read the english file, too
21.26.53 #       <amiconn> I came across this for 2 reasons: (1) For my new default string handling, I needed to adapt one of these little perl scripts.
21.27.55 #       <amiconn> (2) I'm currently thinking about how to implement dynamic display of free & total disk space. This will cause some deprecated strings.
21.28.14 #       <amiconn> (both LANG strings and VOICE strings)
21.28.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> for the GB?
21.28.36 #       <amiconn> Not only.
21.29.18 #       <amiconn> (1) Currently, GB and MB are voice only strings. This needs to be changed into LANG strings with voice.
21.29.35 #       <amiconn> Same goes for the decimal point.
21.30.28 #       <amiconn> (2) The format strings used for the actual display ("Free: %d.%02dMB", same for total) need to be replaced.
21.31.13 #       <amiconn> In order to be backwards compatible, I cannot simply replace the old IDs for the latter.
21.33.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I understand, yes
21.34.26 #       <amiconn> Re fixing the tool: This is C++, however it looks like no C++ features are used. Did I overlook something?
21.35.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's just named cpp by default
21.36.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see some declarations mixed in the code
21.38.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> somebody more skilled with perl that I am could do it in perl, too
21.38.11 #       <amiconn> This is also perfectly legal with newer C compilers (C99 standard??). That was the reason for the red Win32 simulator builds I caused, btw.
21.39.08 #       <amiconn> Cygwin GCC didn't complain, but the cross compiler on the site did (It's an oldish gcc 2.6 iirc)9
21.39.22 #       <amiconn> gcc 2.96 even.
21.39.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> MSVC also woudn't like it
21.43.14 #       <amiconn> Another thing to consider for the free/total space display. The Ondio can have more than 1 volume. How should we handle this? Simply add the values?
21.43.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've thought about that, too
21.43.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> adding sounds dumb
21.44.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a 2nd entry would be better
21.49.02 #       <amiconn> Yes of course. 2 entries will need more room, but that's not the main prob. If we also want this voiced (I think we do), the labels ("internal", "MMC") need to be voiced too.
21.49.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> never ending maintenance...
21.50.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and a voice dictionary inflation
21.50.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but those words are short
21.59.11 #       <crash_> can somebody tell me if its save to make a symlink for "archos" dir for the sim
21.59.19 #       <crash_> dont wanna make copies to test with
22.00.25 #       <amiconn> It is.
22.01.17 #       <amiconn> Just avoid executing "make install" after creating the symlink, otherwise you'll clutter the destination with simulator plugins etc.
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22.01.49 #       <crash_> ok thanks
22.02.32 #       <crash_> want to the random function where i had the feeling of having found a bug
22.03.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is there any reason why the plasma plugin is not in the official build?
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22.04.04 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Nothing serious, apart from that it unnecessarily uses floating point.
22.04.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> uhh
22.05.01 #       <crash_> what means "writing sector xx" in console while useing the sim?
22.05.31 #       <amiconn> This is the config sector, simulated as a little file.
22.06.02 #       <amiconn> You will only ever observe sector 3D (decimal 61)
22.06.12 #       <crash_> yep right
22.06.56 #       <amiconn> On a real box, the config sector is stored on the harddisk, outside the partition area.
22.09.12 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: The floating point usage in the plasma plugin is not a big problem though. It is working fast enough for the plugin. The fp libs get linked to the plugin, that's why the binary is rather large (given the source code size)
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22.10.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it should be coupled to the music, somehow
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22.26.11 #       <amiconn> Hi jyp
22.34.08 #       <jyp> hey
22.38.57 #       <amiconn> I have a question. You added (or rather submitted) a new source file that implements memcpy() and memset(), because there are no asm optimized versions for calmrisc yet.
22.39.12 #       <jyp> true
22.39.40 #       <amiconn> However, before the asm optimized versions we already had memcpy() and memset() in C. These files are still in the attic.
22.40.05 #       <amiconn> I would suggest to revive these, instead of a differently named file.
22.40.12 #       <jyp> good idead
22.41.20 #       <amiconn> I'm thinking about this because I'll probably do asm optimized versions of strchr() and strlen() too. The selection which one to use (*.S / *.c) is simple with the SOURCES file.
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22.42.56 #       <webguest02> hi
22.43.11 #       <webguest02> have a big prob with my jukebox recorder
22.44.17 #       <webguest02> it doesnt start
22.44.43 #       <webguest02> it hangs
22.45.25 #       <webguest02> and the drive doesnt spin up
22.46.25 #       <webguest02> i think i damaged it...
22.47.10 #       <webguest02> i plug in a voltage adapter with the wrong polarisation
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22.47.35 #       <webguest02> after that it smells strange
22.47.40 #       <webguest02> what could happen?
22.47.53 #       <webguest02> first it runs normal
22.48.26 #       <webguest02> and maybe 12 hours later it doesnt start
22.49.08 #       <preglow> haha
22.49.09 #       <webguest02> and have this problems..
22.50.01 #       <webguest02> the left led blinks
22.50.22 #       <webguest02> red..
22.51.24 #       <webguest02> anyone an idea?
22.51.56 #       <jyp> not me
22.52.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it is deeply discharged, I'd say
22.53.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and your charging circuit is probably fried
22.53.40 #       <webguest02> so maybe i damaged something with the wrong polarisation 
22.54.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I think so, yes
22.54.13 #       <webguest02> fuck
22.54.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the other people who "tried" did...
22.54.57 #       <webguest02> and would i get  a new one?
22.55.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "one"?
22.55.32 #       <webguest02> the player is 3 days old!
22.55.38 #       <webguest02> and i have warranty
22.55.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you can try
22.56.14 #       <webguest02> but there is rockbox and illegal music on my harddrive!
22.56.15 Quit    methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so cool")
22.56.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> perhaps they discover the misuse, maybe not
22.56.29 #       <jyp> rofl
22.56.34 #       <jyp> sorry :)
22.56.46 #       <webguest02> illegal music isnt the prob
22.56.49 #       <webguest02> but rockbox
22.56.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is it a V1 recorder?
22.56.56 #       <webguest02> yes
22.57.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then you can take out the cells and charge them
22.57.40 #       <webguest02> but i want that my player charge the batteries ;)
22.57.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> to wipe the disk, I mean
22.58.03 #       <webguest02> ah ;)
22.58.05 #       <webguest02> ok ;)
22.58.27 #       <webguest02> but there is a warranty sticker over a screw!
22.58.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you don't need to unscrew anything for the batteries
22.59.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just take the side caps off
22.59.26 #       <webguest02> ah ;)
22.59.28 #       <webguest02> cool
22.59.41 #       <webguest02> and how should i clean the disk?
22.59.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there's a little notch in the center which may lock it a bit
22.59.56 #       <webguest02> with diskdump`
23.00.51 #       <webguest02> ?
23.00.56 #       <webguest02> or normal format?
23.01.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> gently press that center part outwards, then pull up
23.01.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> format or just file deletion
23.03.24 #       <webguest02> ok
23.03.48 #       <jyp> I'd like to start committing some stuff tonight
23.04.00 #       <jyp> first lcd driver
23.04.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok
23.04.13 #       <Bagder> jyp: keep an eye on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
23.04.24 #       <webguest02> but why doesnt the player start if i have only the power suply?!
23.04.40 #       <Bagder> after commits, that is
23.04.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> webguest02: it's too weak
23.04.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> just a charger, not a power supply
23.05.42 #       <jyp> Bagder: ok, thanks
23.05.54 #       <webguest02> stupid..
23.06.16 #       <webguest02> have problems to take out the batteries :(
23.07.06 #       <webguest02> ah
23.07.06 #       <webguest02> ah ;)
23.07.13 #       <webguest02> have it..
23.08.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: what's the situation on a daily Gmini build?
23.08.47 #       <Bagder> I haven't had a go at the gcc/binutils yet
23.09.29 #       <jyp> I'm currently bringing the calmrisc binutils port to the most recent version
23.09.31 #       <amiconn> jyp: I'd like to know the functions (or function assignments) of the gmini buttons. I'm also interested in the lcd resolution, and in a front view (photo or preferably scanned) for adding this to the Win32 sims.
23.10.19 #       <Bagder> lcd size is in the config-*.h already, I think
23.10.20 #       <jyp> I think the assignments are in button.h already
23.10.31 #       <jyp> yup
23.10.37 #       <jyp> 128*64 iirc
23.11.14 #       <jyp> I don't have any camera nor scanner
23.11.34 #       <webguest02> maybe i only damaged the batteries?
23.11.40 #       <webguest02> what do you think?
23.12.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't think so, but test it
23.12.30 #       <jyp> amiconn: but there are plenty photographs on donat.org... Maybe on will suit you ?
23.13.21 #       <jyp> There are still routing problems with the site though
23.14.13 #       <amiconn> I still can't reach it from home. I remember it works from work though...
23.15.37 #       <jyp> I had those pics taken ...
23.15.40 #       <jyp> https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=127835&ssid=5208
23.15.53 #       <jyp> but I'm afraid they might not be good enough
23.20.41 #       <amiconn> jyp: (photo) If there is nothing better, maybe I can polish it a bit. It doesn't need to be perfect.
23.21.26 #       <amiconn> (buttons) The button codes are indeed there, but I need the physical assignment too, i.e. which button in the pic is which
23.21.46 #       <jyp> It is suitable to tell you over irc ?
23.23.03 #       <amiconn> Also, from looking at the pic, I think the gmini has 10 buttons, but there are only 6 codes. Am I wrong that the bottom right arrangement is up/right and left/down, with play in the centre?
23.23.24 #       <jyp> Right
23.24.07 #       <jyp> There are only 8 buttons though
23.24.12 #       <amiconn> Ah, I forgot; LEFT and RIGHT are global. Still 2 buttons missing.
23.24.51 #       <amiconn> Oh, better count more thoroughly ;)
23.27.34 #       <amiconn> So the only "uncertain" (for me) buttons are ON, MENU and CANCEL.
23.28.08 #       <jyp> Oh yes ...
23.28.16 #       <jyp> On the right:
23.28.23 #       <jyp> top is "ON"
23.28.28 #       <jyp> below in cancel
23.28.36 #       <jyp> menu is the big on the left
23.29.25 #       <amiconn> Ah ok. Good to know.
23.31.00 #       <Bagder> jyp: don't check for CPU, check for LCD
23.31.03 #       <Bagder> in the LCD code
23.31.25 #       <jyp> I guess I overthought it ...
23.31.55 #       <jyp> My last opinon was that if you mount a recorder lcd on the gmini board
23.32.24 #       <jyp> one would check the cpu for accessing the ports
23.32.38 #       <amiconn> jyp: your root dir listing pic is suitable imho. Good front view, no shadows (unlike the other one)
23.32.56 #       <jyp> There's the led flare
23.33.19 #       <Bagder> jyp: you're also not following the ident level
23.33.26 #       <jyp> omg
23.34.00 #       * Bagder is a whiner ;-)
23.34.41 #       <jyp> Ok I corrtect that right away
23.36.14 #       <amiconn> There are no real front view pics on donat.org
23.36.24 #       <jyp> While I'm at it ... do you prefer a check on the LCD type or CPU ?
23.36.53 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Your commit message is a bit strange...
23.36.54 #       <Bagder> I have no strong opinion
23.37.05 #       <jyp> amiconn, I ask starth if he can take a front view snapshot
23.37.19 #       <amiconn> Okay.
23.37.53 #       <jyp> Whoops,
23.38.01 #       <jyp> i forgot he torn his device apart
23.39.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: saw that, yes, I fixed a typo and it got all messed up
23.40.19 #       <webguest02> its definitly my player :((
23.40.29 #       <webguest02> i try to send it back tommorow
23.40.30 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Did you check whether these are the only unused entries?
23.42.26 #       <amiconn> Now I need to rebuild the voices files again ;(
23.44.59 #       <jyp> I'm getting "Using deprecated info format strings.  Convert your scripts to use
23.45.00 #       <jyp> the new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings.
23.45.08 #       <jyp> upon commit
23.45.15 #       <amiconn> Just ignore this.
23.45.23 #       <amiconn> Bagder told me...
23.45.23 #       <jyp> alright
23.45.28 #       <Bagder> we all get that
23.45.38 #       <amiconn> Most likely a server config thingy
23.45.42 #       <Bagder> yeps
23.46.00 #       <Bagder> its about the format of one of the server-side config files
23.47.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: (unused entries) I hope these are the only ones, unless somebody else in the past made entries which are infact not part of the voice UI
23.47.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> in the very beginning, I checked them all
23.48.36 Join    quelsaruk [0] (~kvirc@80.103.134.158)
23.48.37 #       <quelsaruk> hi
23.48.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> you don't have to redo the voice files right now
23.49.34 #       <amiconn> It's not difficult for me. Just throw the new .lang files in the dir, run cscript MakeVoices.vbs, and zip them.
23.49.41 #       <quelsaruk> hmmm... was english.lang file changed yesterday?
23.50.26 #       <amiconn> yes, iirc
23.50.41 #       <quelsaruk> :/
23.50.54 #       <quelsaruk> so i must update spanish
23.50.56 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.53.06 #       <jyp> Ok, ata.c is ready to be committed ...
23.53.50 #       <amiconn> quelsaruk: If you update, please conserve the unix-style linefeeds...
23.53.52 #       <Bagder> Linus is gonna love that ;-)
23.53.56 #       <jyp> There are a lot of "syntactic changes"
23.54.04 #       <quelsaruk> amiconn: i forgot to check that, sorry
23.54.08 #       <Bagder> jyp: what does that mean?
23.54.33 #       <quelsaruk> normally i run a perl script to get rid of all nasty windoze chars
23.54.39 #       <jyp> Bagder, Setting a register isn't as simple as REG = VALUE
23.54.54 #       <amiconn> quelsaruk: Use a decent editor ;)
23.55.00 #       <jyp> so I had to change all these into SET_REG(value)
23.55.09 #       <Bagder> aha
23.55.10 #       <jyp> and define macros
23.55.11 #       <quelsaruk> amiconn: like?
23.55.30 #       <Bagder> jyp: just asking, since I know Linus mentioned he has changed ata.c as well
23.56.12 #       <amiconn> I'm using ConText (www.context.cx) Small, fast, flexible, and freeware.
23.56.29 #       <quelsaruk> :)
23.56.32 #       <quelsaruk> i'll check