--- Log for 01.02.105 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 days and 11 hours ago 00.04.19 Quit midk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.58 Quit jyp ("poof!") 00.16.01 # amiconn: now i think i understand what you wanted to say with language ID 00.16.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.34.44 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAB63A.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.35.42 Quit edx (Client Quit) 00.58.52 Join NewAngel [0] (~myname@64.241.37.140) 01.01.54 Join _aLEX [0] (Alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 01.01.54 Quit _aLF (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.19.35 Part NewAngel 01.23.00 # anyone ever attempted an gameboy emulator for rockbox? 01.23.42 # you might as well forget it for the archos players 01.24.08 # yea, i was more of thinking about the iriver 01.24.32 # might be possible, but would require a pretty well optimized emulator 01.24.40 # but i think not 01.24.53 # meh 01.24.58 # dynarec goes a long way usually 01.25.05 # i dunno. 01.25.15 # hmm, yeah, but i don't think any of the existing emulators support that 01.25.33 # it's pretty much overkill for a gameboy unless you're running on a relatively slow cpu 01.25.57 # i guess. i'll still want to look into it though 01.26.35 # hehe 01.26.50 # the gameboy has a z80 clocked at a few mhz 01.26.56 # i think that was the first april's fool joke 01.26.58 # so it might be doable 01.27.01 # :) 01.27.16 # but hell yes, i would love it 01.27.23 # playing zelda on the bus on my rockbox enabled h120 01.27.24 # heh 01.27.26 # i have at least some experience with dynarec.. so.. hm. 01.27.32 # *nods* 01.27.37 # my thoughts exactly. 01.27.45 # i doubt it'll have cpu power left to play mp3 though 01.27.51 # but i dunno 01.27.58 # no problem, need to listen to the lovely square wave music in the game anyway 01.28.12 # i'll look into it once the bootloader is stable enough for me to write some test software.. 01.28.32 # would be really, really neat 01.28.34 # i love emulators 01.29.27 # does anyone know how much ram the iriver has? 01.29.37 # cause.. emulators aren't exactly small memory wise 01.29.47 # 32 meg 01.29.49 # ohhh 01.29.51 # more than enough 01.29.53 # thats plenty 01.30.03 # i was thinking 16mb at least 01.30.09 # a couple of megs will probably vanish for the os, but that's still more than enough for an emulator 01.30.29 # well, you need to load the gameboy rom into ram, not entirely sure how big those are... 01.30.33 # then you need to load the emulator 01.30.36 # not very big 01.30.40 # and then you need room for the dynarec created code 01.31.02 # but will that handle self modifying code gracefully? 01.31.09 # hell, we're talking rom, it doesn't have that 01.31.09 # hahah 01.31.12 # ignore me 01.31.22 # actually, some roms have self modifying code 01.31.30 # you need to keep account of it in dynarec with a dirty block bit 01.31.46 # nice 01.32.01 # but so far i only did an n64 emulator and dosbox 01.32.10 # i love dosbox 01.32.13 # yea 01.32.25 # i was into the development for dosbox for the xbox a bit.. 01.32.26 # especially now that i can run old dos only demos on it 01.32.36 # for some reason the dynarec core crashes completely on it 01.32.48 # up to the point where it crashes the debug kernel of the xbox itself 01.32.54 # haha 01.32.55 # not bad 01.33.24 # ah well 01.33.26 # *afks to make food* 01.33.27 # anyways 01.33.35 # compared to an n64, gameboy should be easyish 01.33.38 # i hope 01.33.39 # >.> 01.33.40 # afk. 01.33.42 # well, it should 01.33.45 # the cpu part, at least 01.33.48 # the z80 is pretty simple 01.34.59 # mmm. 01.35.18 # i guess gba would be too heavy for it >.o 01.37.50 # that it probably would 01.38.01 # ah well 01.38.36 # i haven't finished the 3 zeldas for gameboy anyways.. and i believe gameboy color is backwards compatible with gameboy.. 01.38.48 # i've finished a couple of them 01.38.52 # but it's _really_ long ago 01.39.02 # *nods* 01.39.06 # around the time they were new 01.40.51 # but i need to log off so i can get some coding done 01.40.54 # see you around 01.41.09 Quit preglow ("av") 01.42.40 # bye 01.45.33 Quit _aLEX (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.58.21 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 02.00.27 # hm 02.00.54 # gest seems like an interesting candidate for a possible gameboy emu.. gnuboy too.. 02.12.14 Join Strath [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a222.wi.tds.net) 02.12.39 Quit Ka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.16.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.33.28 # * Quelsaruk yawns 02.33.40 # sleeping time 02.33.41 # :) 02.38.04 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 02.45.09 Join courtc [0] (~court@adsl-33-169-57.asm.bellsouth.net) 02.48.16 Join piratePenguin [0] (~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net) 02.48.21 # sleep time. 02.48.26 Part amiconn 02.52.56 Quit Quelsaruk ("A metal heart is hard to tear apart... and a goat can fix that :)") 03.06.21 Part piratePenguin 03.15.59 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-119-175.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.53.09 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 03.56.00 Quit Spida (SendQ exceeded) 04.16.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.26.22 Quit QT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.27.37 Join coob [0] (pen0r@82-44-227-205.cable.ubr11.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) 04.32.57 Join ashridah_ [0] (ashridah@220-253-123-42.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.33.51 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 04.33.53 Nick ashridah_ is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-123-42.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.00.15 Join bagawk [0] (~Lee@bagawk.user) 05.06.18 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 05.32.53 Join ashridah_ [0] (ashridah@220-253-118-50.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.33.45 Join Trevmar [0] (~trevor@ca-agoura-cuda2h-53.ventca.adelphia.net) 05.33.58 Quit Trevmar (Client Quit) 05.41.24 Join Coldtoast [0] (edan@ppp110-1.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 05.43.18 Part Coldtoast 05.52.50 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 05.52.53 Nick ashridah_ is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-118-50.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.16.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.18.32 Quit mbr (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.18.32 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.19.06 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.19.06 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 07.06.01 Quit mecraw (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.58.16 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.04.38 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.16.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.41.11 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.24.24 Nick Strath is now known as StrathAFK (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a222.wi.tds.net) 09.26.17 # Hmm, i still get the mailinglist membership reminder twice, has been found out why that is? 09.26.32 # nopes 09.26.42 # I don't think anyone has tried very hard 09.28.46 Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-202-32.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 09.30.10 Quit ze (Nick collision from services.) 09.30.11 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-202-32.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 09.30.45 # Lynx_: are the two reminders *identical*? 09.31.06 # i got it only once 09.33.54 # I got two identical ones 09.35.15 # looks like some greylisting deal 09.35.40 # the first one I got has this: 09.35.46 # X-Greylist: delayed 00:30:08 by SQLgrey-1.4.2 09.35.57 # ! 09.36.06 # the next, 1 second later 09.36.07 # X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.2 09.37.31 # I'm not sure what to make of that 09.41.44 Join ripnetUK [0] (~mirc@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 09.42.15 # preglow - as a metric, the 6600 smartphone can emulate the gameboy, and it has about 100mhz arm 09.42.30 Quit ripnetUK (Client Quit) 09.45.31 # LinusN: yes, they are identical except the message id 09.45.56 # Lynx_: do you get the same greylisting message? 09.45.58 # rasher: i dont have an x-greylist field 09.46.01 # alright 09.46.05 # seems like we're not the only ones with this problem 09.46.11 # guess it has nothing to do with that then 09.46.15 # looks like it's a mailman issue 09.47.20 # rasher: i guess you got two mails too, and when the first made it through you mailserver moved it to the whitelist 09.48.18 # ah 09.48.25 # that makes sense :) 09.54.05 # Lynx_: which lists are you subscribed to? 09.55.12 # just rockbox@... 09.55.19 # ok 09.55.27 # (there went my thepry...) 09.55.33 # theory 09.55.44 # i asked in #mailman, no answer yet though 10.15.47 # I seem to have a piece of dirt/dust under the display glass of my recorder, is this easy to remove? 10.16.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.17.53 # yes, unscrew the 4 screws on the top and bottom and lift off the cover 10.18.09 # if it's a v1 recorder that is 10.27.48 # it is, thx 10.28.21 # you mean the screws on the sides? to i have to take off the bumpers? 10.29.27 # no, the tiny black screws on the short ends 10.29.55 # ah, ok 10.30.10 # there are two on each side of the usb connector, and two on the opposite side 10.30.47 # tip: hold the jukebox upside down when you lift off the cover 10.30.52 # the keys are loose 10.31.28 # removing the batteries also helps 10.31.45 # hmm, i can't find a small screwdriver here anyway, will have to wait until i get home 10.31.55 # good luck 10.36.44 # interesting, when i try to take the lower right bumper off my jukebox turns on ;) 10.37.40 # that's a symptom of loose battery connectors 10.37.59 # it looses connection and regains it, starting the jukebox in the process 10.38.18 # loses 10.48.25 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 10.51.56 # LinusN: found a screwdriver, operation completed successfully :) Pessured air in a can is nice for dusting 10.54.06 # nice 10.56.50 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7F280.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.58.54 # hi 11.00.18 # * amiconn also gets the mailing list reminder twice 11.15.23 # * LinusN too 11.19.42 # i don't 11.21.44 Join Quelsaruk [0] (~kvirc@80.103.137.92) 11.21.50 # morning 11.55.26 Join |Quelsar| [0] (~kvirc@80.103.140.48) 11.55.50 # <|Quelsar|> hi 11.56.07 # <|Quelsar|> can anyone kick quelsaruk away? :) 11.57.35 # if you've got your nick registered with nickserv you can ghost it off the network 11.57.51 # <|Quelsar|> does this net have ghots? 11.57.55 # <|Quelsar|> *ghost 11.57.57 # <|Quelsar|> hmm 11.57.57 # yep 11.58.05 # /msg nickserv ghost nickname pasword 11.58.15 Quit Quelsaruk (Nick collision from services.) 11.58.19 # <|Quelsar|> :) 11.58.22 Nick |Quelsar| is now known as Quelsaruk (~kvirc@80.103.140.48) 11.58.31 # thanks 11.59.24 # np 11.59.46 # kicks don't really do the trick anyway, you'd have to get an op to kill the dead client 12.00.05 # ircop i mean 12.02.23 # but as i didn't have the nick in other channels 12.02.31 # it crashes too 12.02.53 # at least in other networks 12.04.21 # amiconn: i suppose you are not around here... 12.05.43 # Quelsaruk: other networks tend to be more agressive at pinging clients than freenode is. clients tend to hang around here long after they ping timeout on other networks if they get cut off :/ 12.05.55 # yeah 12.05.58 # that's true 12.05.59 # :) 12.08.11 # I am here 12.08.46 # great 12.08.47 # :) 12.09.15 # do you remember what we talked about LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST? 12.09.43 # yup 12.12.20 # i searched english.lang and found no deprecated ID which could be before Playlist 12.12.28 Join Eodun [0] (~Eodun@80-28-227-168.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) 12.12.40 # hi all 12.13.27 # that means that it was an error then when adding some new code. that person did not realize that LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST was part of a 2-lines text string 12.13.31 # hi Eodun 12.13.51 # talking about the langs? there's a sync error I think 12.14.23 # as in english.lang that ID really means Playlist, he used that ID instead of creating a new one (logical) 12.14.56 # a sync error? 12.15.23 # ehm... 12.15.39 # i mean, not even english.lang matches the real menus in my player 12.15.46 # ohh 12.15.48 # talking about lastest daily build 12.15.52 # hmm 12.16.13 # Quelsaruk: (LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST) You are right. This is used correctly in playlist.c, and used wrong twice (!), in tree.c and in onplay.c 12.16.17 # there was a bug which should be fixed right now (but we found only in non-english languages) 12.16.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.16.46 # I find the same problem when I use the english language 12.17.14 # amiconn: i suppose we should change those tree.c and onplay.c Id with a new one. Maybe a LANG_PLAYLIST or something like that 12.17.45 # My first menu entry in my player is "Show icons" instead of "bookmarks" 12.17.48 # Eodun: let me check if i get the same error 12.17.59 # clean build, by the way 12.18.02 # Eodun: What archos model? 12.18.07 # AJB6000 12.18.37 # the weird thing is, voice works correctly. It talks the correct menus 12.23.16 # oh, btw, 1 question: I have to correct the pronunciation for spelling characters, because it says "Uppercase " (in spanish of course) instead of only the letter. 12.23.37 # i don't remember player keys... how do you enter the menu? 12.23.45 # (sry, my english is horrible atm) 12.24.44 # dot in the numoad 12.24.47 # numpad 12.24.51 # hmm 12.25.00 # works perfectly 12.25.01 # for me 12.25.08 # even with espanol.lang 12.25.21 # first one is "bookmark" 12.25.22 # don't understand what happens then 12.25.27 # hmm 12.25.31 # try Bleeding edge 12.25.36 # if you don't mind 12.25.42 # I've tried it 12.25.49 # and doesn't it work? 12.25.53 # menus work well 12.25.59 # but then voices aren't synced 12.26.27 # oh 12.26.32 # perhaps rebuilding voices? 12.26.41 # perhaps 12.26.53 # I'll try... 12.27.31 # oh, and the question: how do I tell makevoices to only change a pronunciation if it's alone, ie not inside a word? 12.28.10 # sorry.. i don't know 12.28.13 # ask amiconn :) 12.28.25 # k 12.32.47 Join jyp [0] (~jp@163.83-201-80.adsl.skynet.be) 12.36.15 # ok, for some reason, the problem was with my cygwin not compiling correctly. 12.36.20 # I'm sorry 12.36.59 # I'll try to rebuild voices now and attaching them to the web afterwards 12.37.16 # thx for your work! c ya 12.37.25 Quit Eodun () 12.44.14 # amiconn: i thinks we could advice about LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST adding this to the desc: field 12.44.25 # desc: in playlist.indices() when playlist is full. WARNING, This ID and next one are a single phrase. Translators, keep that in mind. 12.46.54 Join Eodun [0] (~Eodun@80-28-227-168.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) 12.47.01 # re Eodun 12.47.03 # :D 12.47.09 # hi again :) 12.47.18 # now building voices 12.48.11 # but I think there are some strings still left for traduction in spanish 12.48.17 # hehehe 12.48.25 # i updated yesterday 12.48.27 # ;) 12.48.37 # but we have some problems 12.48.47 # that's what i was talking with amiconn 12.48.50 # can I help? 12.48.54 # of course 12.49.07 # sometimes my translations are not the best 12.49.52 # maybe it's easier if we speak spanish in a query :) 12.49.59 # lol yeah 12.54.49 # Eodun: If yaou want the pronunciation adjustment for a whole word only, i.e. not part of a word, use the "match word boundary" metacharacter at the beginning & end. 12.55.05 # That's why a bit of regexp knowledge is handy.. 12.55.30 # This is used for german in several cases. 12.57.00 # hm... how do I find that metachar? is it \b? 12.58.29 # yeah, it works now. while we were talking I launched a voice creation and it works correctly 13.05.17 # Eodun: do you have spanish SAPI5 voice? 13.05.18 # :D 13.07.14 # no... 13.14.35 # * HCl yawns 13.16.07 # whats new? 13.19.35 # not much 13.20.52 # working with langs here 13.21.26 # messing around with langs ;) 13.25.27 # i was thinking of getting the emulator stuff up and running a bit.. 13.25.37 # is there a proper iriver emulator working? 13.25.41 # with the correct speed and stuff? 13.25.43 # no 13.25.49 # not even close 13.25.51 # there is a simulator 13.25.57 # the emultor is far from reality 13.26.03 # hm. markun said there was.. ah well.. 13.26.04 # okay. 13.26.08 # and i doubt it will ever be 13.26.15 # i'll just wait some more then ;/ 13.26.19 # HCl: maybe he meant the gmini emulator? 13.26.24 # till that bootloader is more stable 13.26.26 # i have no clue 13.28.46 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.30) 13.32.15 # amiconn: we have a strange issue 13.32.27 # similar to the same we had yesterday with genlang 13.32.33 # but.. this time with voices 13.32.34 # :/ 13.33.14 # i think it's the same regexp thing 13.34.03 # Listening to Rockbox info is the funiest thing i've ever heard 13.34.05 # amazing 13.34.06 # :) 13.34.12 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 13.36.27 # Quelsaruk: I think this is the id order issue with voicefont that I already mentioned. 13.36.35 # You can try 2 things: 13.36.54 # hmmm, also can be 13.36.56 # (1) Bring the new ids in espanol.lang into the same order as in english.lang 13.37.35 # (2) change the script so that it uses english.lang in the voicefont call instead of the build lang 13.38.58 # i suppose the only solution is changing ID order 13.39.20 # or maybe will have another guy complaining here in 2 weeks :) 13.40.39 # Imho adapting the script is the more general solution, because then it will work for all languages. 13.41.30 Quit R3nTiL () 13.42.41 # oooooookkkkkk 13.43.01 # :) 13.43.16 # so we'll need to dl the new voicefont, huh? 13.43.28 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@217.30.249.139) 13.44.39 # * HCl reads the code for the bootloader and thinks it seems pretty straightforward, but knows he's prolly wrong about that because all the function calls had to be implemented 13.44.55 # Eodun: Yes, that's also necessary for proper .voice building. The old version has the same problems with deprecated VOICE_ idss as the binlang/genlang scripts had. 13.45.32 # oh 13.46.35 # Quelsaruk: I told you yesterday... 13.47.18 # amiconn: you know i had my brain somewhere else yesterday 13.47.20 # :( 13.47.21 # sorry 13.47.32 # now i remember 13.47.44 # you said you added a *UPDATED* or something like that 13.49.08 # * Quelsaruk needs some holidays 13.52.06 Join R3nTiL1 [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.185) 13.58.17 Join webguest45 [0] (~c186d893@labb.contactor.se) 13.59.24 Quit webguest45 (Client Quit) 14.06.39 Join El_Barto2 [0] (firecreepe@www.e-spirit.de) 14.06.46 # hi guys! 14.08.27 Quit R3nTiL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.36 # do you know if i can charge my gmini 120 trough usb? 14.08.58 # no idea 14.09.42 Join webguest26 [0] (~548cbafa@labb.contactor.se) 14.10.13 Quit webguest26 (Client Quit) 14.10.36 # or if mp3,wma and wav are decode through hardware or software? 14.10.40 # software 14.11.03 # so it could be possible to write a soft which for example supports ogg? 14.11.24 # if the cpu is strong enough, yes 14.11.29 # cool 14.11.57 # heard that you are developing rockbox for gmini ;) 14.12.07 # could you tell me some features? ;) 14.12.26 # we are porting rockbox, which means it will have rockbox' features 14.12.34 # www.rockbox.org 14.12.37 # ok ;) 14.12.52 # thought that you write a new rockbox.. 14.13.05 # which ogg support and so on ;) 14.13.13 # with.. 14.13.16 # no need for a new rockbox for that 14.13.16 # no, we are enhancing it 14.13.21 Join webguest32 [0] (~548cbafa@labb.contactor.se) 14.13.37 Quit R3nTiL1 () 14.13.42 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 14.13.55 Join Patr3ck [0] (~548cbafa@labb.contactor.se) 14.14.02 # and what you know about flashing the gmini? 14.14.17 # is it possible to flash rockbox on it? 14.14.27 # in future ;) 14.14.35 # yes 14.14.43 # perfect! 14.14.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort 14.15.02 # ah ;) 14.15.55 # and is it possible to change the harddisk= 14.16.02 # many questions ;) 14.16.20 # yes, if you can find someplace to buy a new one 14.16.42 # why,is it so small or what? 14.16.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.17.41 # the xs200 disk at least is rather special. the others i think are using "standard" 1.8-inch drives. 14.17.51 # hmm 14.18.07 # but even the 1.8" disks are not easy to find 14.18.15 # so an upgrade wouldnt be so easy right? 14.18.30 # depends on if you can find a disk 14.18.41 # understand 14.19.47 # so...i will sell my jukebox recorder 20 and buy a gmini 120... 14.19.58 # its cheeper and better i think 14.20.55 # anyone interested ? :) 14.22.37 # I doubt it is better until Rockbox works on it 14.23.13 # but that's me 14.23.59 # in my opinion, if rockbox can be ported to iriver h3xx then that's a good option for a new box 14.24.04 # :) 14.26.26 # but i think an expensive right? 14.26.35 # hmm 14.26.47 # the gmini is cheaper and has more features than the recoder! 14.26.54 # less than my recorder6 when i bought it 14.26.57 # so why buy the recorder? 14.27.00 # it doesn't have digital in/out 14.27.01 # it was nearly 480€ 14.27.07 # it has much smaller disk 14.27.15 # it doesn't use standard batteries 14.27.23 # it doesn't run rockbox 14.28.08 # the last one is the worst IMHO 14.28.29 # it has digital in 14.28.30 # ;) 14.28.33 # does anyone know if the spdif spec is freely available? 14.28.56 # probably not 14.29.09 # having rockbox support pulling track names and such from the cable would be cool 14.29.59 # preglow: are there any other devices that do that? 14.30.11 # my minidisc player did 14.30.25 # ok. worth looking into, then. 14.30.28 # i hooked it up to my cd player, and it ripped cds perfectly 14.30.31 # track names and all 14.30.39 # and my cd player is not a sony, so no proprietary shit 14.31.15 # as soon as rockbox is more operational, i'd be happy to dump some data 14.33.24 # the s/pdif standard is not free, afaik, but there is some info here: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html 14.34.35 # LinusN: sure, but i doubt it should be THAT hard to reverse engineer it, but then again, i might be wrong ;) 14.35.20 # hey, sony was involved with it so there's no surprise it isn't open 14.35.27 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 14.35.39 # sp is sony philips, iirc 14.36.17 # LinusN: do you know how the coldfire is interfaced to the spdif ports, btw? is there some risk of it not seeing higher level data? 14.36.31 # the coldfire supports the iec958 control channel (cd-subcode stream) 14.37.22 # and btw, what program did you use to make the schematics in the wiki? 14.37.30 # eagle 14.40.03 Quit ashridah ("sleep.") 14.41.10 # does consumer spfidd even have track names? on my sony hifi it needs another cable totraanfer cd titles to minidisk 14.41.52 # hrm 14.41.55 # out of sheer curiousity 14.42.03 # is it possible to change the harddisk of the iriver? 14.43.36 # should be 14.43.43 # but size is a major concern 14.43.47 # hm. 14.43.50 # as in physical size 14.43.53 # i think its quite a narrow drive - as i understand it, you cannot yet get 60 gigs that dfit 14.43.54 # yea, needs to be 1.8 " hm? 14.43.58 # larger disks are physically larger 14.44.04 # okay.. 14.44.25 # some people tried fitting a 30 gig into the h120, but it was just a couple of mm too thick 14.44.31 # :X 14.44.43 # if you've ever opened it, you've seen that there's not too much space left in there 14.44.53 # ah well, i don't really need to upgrade my h140... 14.44.54 # but 14.44.57 # it'd be sweet if i could. 14.45.04 # cause then i'd never need a new music player, really. 14.45.12 # hehe 14.45.17 # "640k is enough" 14.45.19 # i think twenty gigs are more than enough for me 14.45.22 # LinusN: :P 14.45.42 # LinusN: how about the battery of the h100 series? is that detachable on the inside? 14.45.46 # but yeah, with the advent of rockbox, it does indeed look like i'll be keeping this player for a while 14.45.50 # HCl: yes 14.45.50 # cause i know it'll degrade sooner or later 14.45.59 # preglow: don't suppose its a common part, hm ? :/ 14.46.01 # HCl: it's only fitted with a simple cable and can be upgraded 14.46.05 # HCl: yes, you can replace it 14.46.08 # HCl: it is, actually 14.46.10 # sweeeeeet 14.46.11 # ^_^ 14.46.21 # HCl: you can even get better capacity, but again, physical size is a major concern 14.46.25 # *nods* 14.46.26 # well. 14.46.35 # if i'm gonna have to resort building a custom case for it 14.46.38 # i don't think i'll mind much. 14.46.52 # assuming that in the future, due to lack of space and battery, my h140 will be useless 14.46.55 # thought any more about a gb emulator, btw? :PP 14.47.10 # yes, i have, but i really can't do anything till i can actually develop on my iriver 14.47.13 # first things first, u know 14.47.16 # the screen of the h120 is 16 pixels lacking in the height direction, otherwise it's a perfect match for the gameboy 14.47.17 # cause i can't really get a measure of speed of it 14.47.23 # i see. 14.47.25 # well. 14.47.29 # i don't think many games will mind 14.47.35 # having chopped off 8 pixels of the top and bottom 14.47.50 # or maybe just evenly distributed across the screen. 14.48.00 # that'd prolly be better 14.48.10 # maybe, you'll find out 14.48.14 # ofcourse. 14.48.41 # but first i have this stupid project this week.. then next week i'll be busy with valentine.. and after *that* i finally got some time :X 14.48.43 # but yes, there's quite a lot to be written before something like that can be attempted, hehe 14.49.08 # LinusN: out of sheer curiousity, is it possible to check whether two buttons have been pressed at the same time? 14.49.27 # i'm writing my masters thesis, so i'll probably have some stuff to fill my time with as well 14.49.34 # HCl: ahh, that'll be a problem 14.49.35 # though now that i think of it, i might end up not needing it.. 14.49.46 # if you were to emulate a gba 14.49.49 # you'd lack one button 14.49.51 # HCl: 'cause you can't 14.49.55 # ofcourse you could map it to the remote 14.49.58 # HCl: no, you can't 14.50.01 # okay 14.50.04 # but anyways 14.50.08 # i don't think i'd get gba running on it 14.50.16 # and gameboy only has 4 buttons and a controlstick 14.50.18 # so thats fine 14.50.27 # hm. 14.50.28 # actually. 14.50.34 # i think you would be lucky to emulate a gba on a processor this slow :) its snes level of complex 14.50.49 # some games (i know zelda does...) require you to press buttons simultaneously :( 14.50.51 # isn't gba color too? 14.51.04 # yes 14.51.10 # that might be a problem... 14.51.13 # well, you can detect Play separately from the other keys 14.51.16 # i think gba is out if the question, but a gb might be realistic 14.51.23 # * HCl nods @ preglow 14.51.35 # with frameskip and dynarec, it should be possible to go a long way 14.51.49 # i just realized that you need to be able to press buttons at the same time though.. 14.52.01 # i might end up having to map "keycombo buttons" to the remote or something.. 14.52.02 # HCl: well, linus says you can press play and another key at the same time 14.52.12 # okay 14.52.15 # well. 14.52.16 # thats something 14.52.17 # but 14.52.17 # the hold switch is separate too 14.52.21 # hrm. 14.52.24 # the hold switch o.o;;; 14.52.25 # lol. 14.52.29 # haha.. not you people too.. I get "gb emulator on ipodlinux" 14.52.30 # i never really considered that as a button. 14.52.31 # but. 14.52.33 # actually. 14.52.33 # the hold switch would be good to reload a gun on doom :) 14.52.39 # hahaha 14.52.48 # ahah 14.52.48 # if i was to like 14.52.51 # map play to A 14.52.55 # map stop to B 14.52.59 # and map hold to select 14.53.04 # then you'd at least be able to save in zelda 14.53.06 # or we could attach a keyboard in the remote socket 14.53.14 # provided you managed to switch them all 14.53.18 # lmao. 14.53.21 # is that possible? 14.53.24 # yes 14.53.26 # xD 14.53.30 # lol. 14.53.32 # i'm thinking of making a midi->spi converter for the remote socket, it would be really cool having the h120 be a portable synth 14.53.44 # well. 14.53.47 # ahhh, ideas, ideas 14.53.49 # so little time 14.53.53 # those foldable palm keyboards would be perfect 14.53.53 # i'd have to hook up with some electronic geeks. 14.54.02 # but it might be possible to build a tiny addon for gameboy buttons. 14.54.06 # Zagor: c00l indeed 14.54.06 # anyways. 14.54.12 # i'll try with the resources i'll have first. 14.54.23 # there aren't that many games for the gb that require simultaneous keypresses.. 14.54.33 # i only know of one.. zelda, which requires you to press a, b, and select to save 14.54.44 # i'd say the screen size is more of a problem 14.54.48 # LinusN: do you know if the remote employs the same adc scheme for button decoding? 14.54.53 # yes it does 14.55.02 # on a different channel 14.55.08 # LinusN: i think it should be well possible to filter out 16 horizontal lines on the screen.. 14.55.17 # HCl: it won't be pretty 14.55.21 # i'm almost certain of that 14.55.34 # the gameboy already has few vertical pixels 14.55.35 # preglow: its either that or 1/2 of its size. 14.55.53 # cause scaling is *EXPENSIVE* cpu wise 14.55.55 # one could configure which pixel rows to remove for each game 14.56.03 # HCl: yeah, i know, maybe a toggle to either see the top or the bottom sixteen pixels would work, heh 14.56.12 # preglow: interesting suggestion. 14.56.13 # :) 14.56.29 # anyways. 14.56.31 # i think skipping pixels is pretty much out of the question, it would be too noticable for gameboy games 14.56.31 # using the hold switch .-) 14.56.34 # we're getting too far ahead xD 14.56.39 # LinusN: xD 14.57.07 # HCl: no shit 14.57.15 # first i need to wait for a proper development environment *prods linus with a stick* :P 14.57.20 # ouch 14.57.22 # planning a gb emul when all rockbox does is flash a led :PP 14.57.25 # it was a gentle prod :P 14.57.35 # anyways 14.57.36 # now i'm off 14.57.41 # ait, have fun 14.57.42 # to bugger people in stores 14.57.50 # and visit my sis who's in the hospital :/ 14.58.13 # nothing serious, i hope 14.58.31 # severe case of anemia 14.58.36 # she collapsed in a mall 14.58.56 # brb 14.59.05 # that does sound serious 14.59.35 # meh, she's not in immediate life danger 14.59.36 # so i can take it 14.59.41 # i bought her a stuffed panda :) 14.59.49 # afk now 14.59.54 # that ought to perk up just about anyone 15.00.00 # k, take it easy 15.00.12 Quit El_Barto2 () 15.01.03 # LinusN: Bagder mentioned some bootloader related fixes, anything particular you're working on? 15.02.46 # a safety fix, in case the bootloader crashes 15.03.25 # a hardware based exception handler, like? i'm not really familiar with 68k architecture 15.03.26 # so it starts the original firmware if it crashes 15.04.14 # it does sound like a clever thing to have, yes 15.05.43 # hmm... one question: It is possible to flash rockbox in a AJB6000 that says it's impossible, via some solder? or it's the rom model what blocks it? 15.05.57 # it's the rom model 15.06.12 # you need to replace the flash chip 15.06.27 # oh ok 15.06.35 # better not messing with it 15.07.20 # * Bagder won't mention who replaced his flash chip ;-) 15.07.33 # * Bagder does the flash dance ;-) 15.07.54 # lol 15.08.09 # but I owe Linus lots of pizzas 15.08.43 # Bagder: i accept beer too :-) 15.08.47 # aha 15.10.05 # can that chip be bought in a normal electronics store? 15.10.28 # i doubt it 15.10.46 # well, you need to define "normal electronics store" of course 15.10.57 # lol 15.11.28 # nah, i doubt that they sell it in the places I'm thinking about 15.13.46 # i'd like both pizza and beer right now 15.18.09 # LinusN: Talking about flashing - any news concerning the oldplayer test? Sorry for nagging over and over... 15.23.19 # no news 15.23.43 Join webguest41 [0] (~d4f00fa5@labb.contactor.se) 15.23.57 # hey linus congrats on iriver progress 15.24.02 # thx 15.24.25 # is the gdb stub bit next 15.26.42 # linus? 15.27.15 # once we can boot, "anyone" can help out with the gdb stub 15.27.38 # you dont need special hardware like with the bdm? 15.27.41 # is the uart connection exposed (eg in the remote socket) 15.27.53 # or will we have to crack open the case? 15.28.09 # webguest41: you need to modify the player, yes 15.28.20 # but < 11 connections :) 15.28.29 # still, there's no point in a gdb stub if Linus is the only person who can use it 15.29.00 # well, it would still be a point, just not as important 15.29.05 # is everyone working on the iriver project now that the bootlaoader is done? 15.29.13 # it needs some more work, then we're on it 15.29.19 # who's "everyone" ? 15.29.29 # i dunno 15.29.34 # ive got the dev environment all set up... just waiting for Linus to say its less dangerous to flash before I go ahead and do it 15.29.35 # rockbox crew 15.29.59 # once the bootloader is flashed, and my unit is not dead, I can rest easy knowing that everything else is 'soft' change 15.30.20 # how do you guys recover a dead unit without bdm? 15.30.27 # we don't 15.30.31 # you cant, thats why i wait 15.30.42 # but it probably will happen 15.30.49 # we've decided not to kill our units ;-) 15.30.59 # it will undoubtedly happen to someone 15.31.07 # indeed 15.31.14 # yes 15.31.16 # ok 15.31.21 # i sure as hell hope that someone is not me 15.31.24 # god, i will be depressed then 15.31.37 # then you could send it to me 15.31.39 # well im at school now so i g2g, thanks for filling me in i check the site everyday for iriver updates 15.31.41 # hmm 15.31.43 # not a bad idea 15.31.52 # but isn't fitting the bdm interface quite a bit of work? 15.32.00 # it can be made easy 15.32.10 Quit webguest41 ("CGI:IRC") 15.32.15 # but i need some help 15.32.21 # well, sure, as long as you're up for it ;) 15.32.44 # there is room for a debug connector on the pcb 15.32.45 # im not sending my iRiver to Linus - ive seen what he does to them :) he even puts picturs of their torture on his web site ;) 15.32.53 # hehe 15.33.04 # haha 15.33.26 # but i need to find a suitable connector to solder to the pcb 15.37.32 # about where on the board is it located? 15.39.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo 15.39.47 # check the nude picture on the left edge 15.41.53 # back or front? 15.41.58 # front? 15.42.58 # Thanks god I know this is a programmers' channel... XD -> check the nude picture on the left edge 15.43.07 # hahaha 15.43.12 # full frontal 15.43.36 # chips and nudity! 15.43.45 # if it's the one i think, it doesn't look very connector friendly 15.43.54 # only chips, no nuts 15.44.13 # preglow: it is the same type as the lcd connector 15.44.33 # is there a similar place with player's images? 15.44.48 # player's, as in jb6000? 15.44.51 # yep 15.44.54 # LinusN: of course 15.45.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/internals/ 15.45.32 # i've only found the disassembling ones 15.45.34 # ok thx 15.45.52 # try the Tjerk ones 15.47.55 # no nude pics, unfortunately 15.48.18 # lol 15.48.34 # c ya, I'll keep working on spanish voices 15.48.52 Quit Eodun () 15.50.05 # interfacing the h120 serial port to a pc shouldn't require much more than a level converter, no? 15.50.14 # nope 15.50.23 # great, i've got tons of those 15.51.02 # is it 5v og 3.3v ? 15.51.15 Part Zagor 15.51.36 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 15.56.55 # 3.3, crap 16.16.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.48.17 # i think i found a suitable bdm connector 16.48.27 # just ordered one, hope it fits 16.48.38 # nice 16.48.53 # if it does, resurrecting a dead iriver won't be that difficult 16.50.28 # * Bagder runs off 16.50.36 # who has a dead iriver? 16.50.49 # none yet 16.53.07 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 16.53.54 # what are the main dangers? afaict is it a unknown variation in the hardware, failed flash itself (also possible with original firmware), and broken firmware image 16.54.52 # broken firmware image can be avoided by using md5 to verify its the EXACT same image as Linus used. 16.56.37 # i fear alternative 1) the most 16.56.43 # me too 16.56.59 # and user error of course 16.57.09 # like constructing a faulty image 16.57.14 # yup 16.57.15 # isnt that covered by option 3 (broken image) 16.57.16 # i fear that more 16.58.11 # once the bootloader works, there will be no need to alter it - surely if there is one 'proper' build of the bootloader code, we can put md5's of every known firmware image that has been tested with it 16.58.40 # i know I am planning on trying to get a pre-built tested binary boot bin from someone who has tested it, rather than building my own. 16.58.55 # of course 16.59.05 # i don't think depending on not having to alter the bootloader is a very good idea 16.59.12 # ? 16.59.26 # ? 16.59.30 # but sure, having a couple of md5's lying on the website would be good 16.59.31 # once mine can bootstrap code from the hdd, I wont be risking touching it again :) 16.59.58 # i still think a .ips patch to convert stock firmware into 'magic' firmware is the way to go 17.00.01 # surely, we migth find a bug in the loader so we would have/want to flash it again 17.00.10 # of course 17.00.20 # ripnetuk: yes, i like that idea as well 17.00.31 # its possible, but surely if it can load code from hdd and jump to it, we can work around any problems ? 17.00.33 # the tools are pretty foolproof 17.00.41 # they are when you md5 the result 17.00.59 # but that doesnt protect us againt cock-up 1, which is variations on hardware in the iRiver... 17.01.06 # but we will have dead units anyway 17.01.13 # why? 17.01.40 # because of murphy 17.01.53 # or sod as i call him ;) 17.02.42 # i still think that hooking the bootloader into a less critical section of the rom (like switch to radio) for testing purposes is the way to go 17.02.59 Quit elinenbe (" The IRC Client of the Gods! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- HydraIRC") 17.03.24 # i don't 17.03.30 # ok 17.03.53 # the rom isnt half empty is it? we cant do something clever like tying the highest address pin high / low to get 2 different images can we? 17.03.56 # mainly because it creates more work for me 17.04.04 # fair enough 17.04.09 # no, it is more than half full 17.04.43 # ips seems to be a nice way of handling it 17.05.39 # ips combined with md5 should eliminate the bad file problem 17.05.44 # yes 17.06.18 # there are also bound to be people distributing pre-modded images... 17.06.39 # under the table, yes 17.06.52 # we will not 17.06.57 # i know that 17.07.00 # we == rockbox 17.07.20 # you have kept your nose clean up till now, i would be disappointed if you abandoned your ideals 17.07.38 # :-) 17.08.43 # although (C) is a bit screwed up... it was never intended to restrict things like this 17.10.49 # touch wood my server seems to be stable again now I replaced the hdd 17.10.57 # LinusN: re touching the iriver flash after bootloader is working - I'd think we want to support rockbox in flash on iriver too (?) 17.12.18 # have we invertigated a buffer overrun attack on the id3 database? im thinking it would be nice to be able to test code in a non destructive way on various hardware to probe for variations 17.12.24 # well, so would i, but it's not really critical is it? 17.13.10 # amiconn: of course 17.13.24 # ripnetuk: no, i haven't investigated it 17.13.36 # i have an mp3 file that hangs the player though 17.13.48 # its just the 40 char (or whatever) limit seems to be an invite for an overrun :) 17.14.21 # LinusN: How do you fit rockbox into the rom then? Is there enough space left? Does the iriver bootloader support ucl compression like our archos loader? 17.16.03 # amiconn: we would have to toss out the original 17.16.21 # and good riddance 17.18.18 # its not THAT bad... i would be happy with it myself if it did custom wps 17.18.39 # i very much like the way you can disable unused shuffle modes etc so you dont have to cycle thru them 17.18.42 # i'd be happy if it did gapless playback and stopped spinning up the harddisk at all times 17.18.54 # plus some playlist functionality that isn't tied to a pc 17.19.08 # and the ability to return to wps from the treeview without having to press stop the EXACT right number of times 17.19.20 # preglow: something i enjoy every day with rockbox :-) 17.19.32 # LinusN: yes, and i look forward to enjoying it myself 17.19.43 # i have to run 17.19.48 # cya 17.19.53 # don't fall and break something 17.20.02 # :-) 17.20.07 # cu around folx 17.20.10 # alot of our hopes are invested in you! run carefully 17.20.12 # yeap 17.20.14 Part LinusN 17.21.05 # so how tempted have you been preglow to try it ??? (flashing i mean) 17.22.27 # very 17.22.48 # wasn't far away the other day, but managed to keep from doing it 17.22.48 # me too.... ireckon if my server hadnt had problems this week (keeping me busy) i might well have tried it 17.22.54 # me too... 17.23.12 # i think it would be VERY cool to see the backlight flashing on and off :) 17.23.26 # haha 17.23.29 # did your bootloader.bin md5 match badger? 17.23.33 # yes 17.23.41 # so you are using a more recent gcc then? 17.23.58 # the newest there is 17.24.35 Join Yokalosh [0] (~3efc0007@labb.contactor.se) 17.24.42 # Hi 17.24.54 # Does anyone know anything about the iPod mini? 17.25.13 # not i 17.25.25 # well, what do you want to know about it? 17.26.01 # If it is possible to make it as cool as the Jukebox Recorder 10 with Rockbox on it 17.26.12 # i sincerely doubt it 17.26.24 # i think rockbox avoids ipods as they use non-standard bits - i may be wrong tho 17.26.28 # not without a shitload of work 17.26.39 # i think archos and iriver use off the shelf components 17.26.42 # and yes, the non-standard bits part is a real problem 17.27.49 # I don't like the iPod but my mate from school just gave me his to make more 'enhanced' 17.28.17 # yay. 17.28.20 # it is I 17.28.24 # :p 17.28.31 # * HCl finally returned 17.29.49 # I was hoping to put Linux on it just because I am making money from my friend for doing this........... 17.29.52 # i think they got a Linux kernel working on some iPods... must be some fun to be had there 17.30.05 # the only prob is iPodlinux doesnt support mini at the moment 17.30.21 # Which sucks 17.30.38 # Which is better.... Rockbox or iPodlinux? 17.30.45 # ;) 17.33.13 Quit Patr3ck ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.35.28 # Rockbox is better 17.35.41 # for me, as I dont have a iPod and I do have a iRiver :) 17.36.01 # heheh 17.36.04 # iriverlinux. 17.36.06 # xD 17.36.41 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 17.36.54 # not much point really... the mini-os that LinusN and pals has written is much more approriate to such a limited hardware platform IMHO 17.37.09 # agreed 17.37.17 # depends 17.37.19 # ofcourse. 17.37.23 # ipl is a lot less complete 17.37.26 # like, you don't even have a keyboard 17.37.33 # but they don't have the kind of hw info you have 17.37.39 # What is the best 'MP3 player' at the mo? 17.37.39 # so unless we manage to hook one up into the remote port 17.37.41 # ipod uses a more closed platform 17.37.51 # Yokalosh: it depends on personal preference 17.37.53 # personally 17.37.57 # Yokalosh: that's like asking what's the best car is 17.37.59 # it depends. 17.38.00 # i think that once rockbox works on iriver 17.38.09 # i prefer iriver hp140 17.38.14 # Lol 17.38.16 # HCl - i have to agree there 17.38.36 # i think at the moment the hp140 is sweet as is... my sisters Sony hdd walkman is very cute tho 17.38.43 # I might be getting a Archos AV140 just to see what its like.... Rocommendable? 17.38.44 # well. 17.38.50 # ui on the ipod and itunes integration is what drew me to it 17.38.52 # i severely dislike its inability to create playlists on the fly 17.38.55 # i rarely listen to the same music 17.39.03 # and i like to browse my collection and add songs from here and there 17.39.05 # and listen to those 17.39.10 # HCl: you can do that on an ipod. 17.39.14 # the 140 can shuffle the entire drive tho which is :) :) 17.39.24 # as can the ipod :) 17.39.28 # yes, but i have an iriver, so i don't care whether you can do it on an ipod or not. 17.39.33 # (both using the apple firmware) 17.39.35 # hehe 17.39.42 # its rather irrelevant o.; 17.39.43 # o.o; 17.39.46 # and the iRivers remote is the mutts nuts 17.39.58 # So most of you guys would agree that the iPod sucks? 17.40.01 # the ipod also used to be a chick magnet before every tom dick and harry had one :< 17.40.15 # i dont think it sucks - ive never used one... i dont like the way it looks 17.40.16 # Yokalosh: no, it depends on what you want 17.40.16 # i honestly can't say, never had one. 17.40.22 # i don't like white cases anyways. 17.40.33 # *shrugs* 17.40.36 # can ipod do radio? 17.40.45 # nope. 17.40.53 # well, i like radio, so then i wouldn't like an ipod o.o; 17.41.27 # i never use the radio... instead I use mythtv to grab radio shows I like and mp3 them, then they get synced to the h140... radio on demand 17.41.28 # i hate radio, they play shit 90% of the time and about 3 companies own all of the stations. i dislike payola to get songs heard. 17.41.29 # It is far too commercialised for me, to many people have em 17.42.12 # well, it depends on the music station, really 17.42.14 # but i agree in general 17.42.23 # out of the 15-20 radiostations we have, 2 are kinda decent 17.42.26 # Yokalosh: selling anything is 'commercialised', the word you're looking for is 'common' which makes you an eliteist snob. But that's OK :) 17.42.39 # i prefer 'factual' radio, and music from cds 17.42.44 # Lol 17.43.03 # Soz ;) 17.43.15 # 'factual radio'? Rush Limbaugh? :D 17.43.37 # I'm actually very happy with my old Archos Jukebox Recorder 10 ;) 17.43.54 # It does what i bought it for and when i found out about rockbox it did more 17.43.57 # i would have been happy with my Archos JBR20 had it had a decent remote 17.44.07 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 17.44.41 # Archos is pretty cool when they work properly 17.45.18 # mine never failed me... sold it on ebay when i got my iRiver 17.46.39 # Cool 17.47.00 # Stuff like that costs so much for a 14 yr old though ;( 17.47.38 # as you get older you will realise that the world screws you for all the money you get, so you will still be skint even when earning $$$ :) 17.48.02 # I already realised that the world screws me for all the money i get 17.48.05 # ;) 17.48.09 # It sucks 17.49.23 # I know this is off the subject but anyone know any money making scams ;) 17.50.03 # Yaaaawwwwn................. 17.50.22 # yeah, you go into a bank with a gun and politely ask for money. 17.50.31 # Dude..... 17.50.34 # I'm 14 17.50.52 # yeah bit slow for a 14 year old too :( 17.50.52 Join Strath [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a222.wi.tds.net) 17.51.05 # Maybe nxt year 17.51.33 # thats so 90's... these days you phish the unwary 17.51.52 # ask people for their credit card details 17.51.54 # politely 17.51.58 # lol, what did you mean by 'yeah bit slow for a 14 year old too'? 17.52.52 # the best scam i found was to go to uni and get a degree... 17.52.55 # then get a job :) 17.53.03 # Lol 17.53.13 # Few years to go yet....... 17.53.15 # employers believe that having a degree makes you work better... 17.53.22 # Thats dumb 17.53.23 # then you still have that choice ahead of you 17.53.42 # Yup 17.53.49 # U got a degree? 17.53.51 # i'm working on my masters thesis right now, i sure hope that scheme works... 17.53.55 # yeah 17.54.01 # What in? 17.54.03 # computer science, kings college, london 17.54.07 # 1st :) 17.54.12 # Wow 17.54.19 # so ur a bit of a boff...... 17.54.30 # but gotta go, guys 17.54.32 # later 17.54.32 # back to life 17.54.38 # ripnetuk: heh i went to an open day at kings for cs 17.54.39 # c ya 17.54.42 Quit preglow ("off") 17.54.47 # not really... just interested in computers... spent most of my time at uni getting mashed on skunk ;) 17.54.59 # Nice 17.55.06 # they were showing some final year projects 17.55.19 # and i was like 'wtf i could've done that when i was 14' 17.55.35 # then decided to go and get a degree in politics :< 17.55.38 # yeah, i did a simple web interface to a database - they loved it :) 17.55.43 # lol 17.55.53 # cool 17.55.56 # ;) 17.55.59 # this one girl had an mp3 playing server that she was controling with an ipaq 17.56.04 # I don't do IT as school 17.56.21 # i didnt do it as school myself. Did science and maths 17.56.24 # IT 17.56.28 # at 17.56.29 # :) 17.56.34 # I chose not to do it unfortunately 17.56.36 # IT at school = how to use MS Office. 17.56.41 # exactly 17.56.42 # Yer 17.56.55 # I think they are currently learning headers and footers 17.56.58 # (using UK definition of school == US high school i think) 17.56.59 # lo 17.57.00 # l 17.57.19 # which they also learn in year 7,8,9 and now 10 17.57.53 # I'm in the UK anyways dude 17.58.21 # lol 17.59.35 # So, what have you hacked? 17.59.57 # in a sense, yes. I used to remove copy protection from BBC micro games in my youth 18.00.07 # just for fun, not to distribute (much) 18.00.20 # lol, sounds fun............ 18.01.15 # I need/want to learn how to program and hack 18.01.49 # IMHO you want to get a good linux distro, and play with it... 18.02.05 # also, the new microsoft c# dev environment beta is free to download at the moment 18.02.14 # Cool 18.02.18 # i'll try 18.02.25 # I dont even know the basics though 18.02.34 # depending what counts as the basics 18.03.31 # save up some $$ and go to amazon.com and buy a good book... 18.03.51 # or download a e-book... there are loads about if you look 18.03.54 # hmm 18.04.02 # Cool 18.04.31 # even writing vba code in m$office is coding... 18.05.37 # hmmm....... 18.06.35 Quit StrathAFK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.06.45 # I'm crap at stuff like this, I don't know where to start 18.07.54 # start off by recoding a macro, and doing stuff to see how code relates to actions 18.08.32 # also, try your local library (if the council havent closed it!). Look for books on programming, and pick one that suits the way your brain works 18.09.22 # Lol, in a fairly non mathematical way in my case 18.11.08 Quit Yokalosh ("CGI:IRC") 18.11.19 Join Yokalosh [0] (~3efc0007@labb.contactor.se) 18.11.32 Quit Yokalosh (Client Quit) 18.12.24 Join Yokalosh [0] (~3efc0007@labb.contactor.se) 18.12.31 # I'm back 18.14.13 Join Eodun [0] (~Eodun@80-28-227-168.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) 18.14.51 Quit jyp ("poof!") 18.16.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.19.17 # bye all 18.19.39 # Bye 18.19.47 Quit ripnetuk ("Leaving") 18.20.10 # Bye 18.20.14 Quit Yokalosh ("CGI:IRC") 18.26.58 Join piratePenguin [0] (~piratepen@dialup0071.ts004.bmt.esat.net) 18.34.51 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAA7E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.38.08 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 18.42.21 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 18.47.16 Quit Eodun ("c ya!") 18.58.04 Join Pah [0] (~paul@cpc1-stkp4-5-0-cust117.mant.cable.ntl.com) 19.11.43 Quit methangas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.12.03 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 19.18.00 Quit Pah () 19.29.02 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 19.48.43 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 20.10.14 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.10.26 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 20.15.01 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 20.16.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.19.41 # Quelsaruk: In case you want to update espanol.voice - I've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding and the MakeVoices.vbs script. 20.20.55 # It now uses english.lang to determine the id order, so shuffled voice entries should be finally gone. There's also another small improvement for uplang 20.23.21 # *yawns* 20.23.44 # *sneezes* 20.24.07 # bless you. 20.24.28 # * HCl runs around the room, looking at so many things he could be doing 20.26.51 # * elinenbe decides to balance on one are for the rest of the day 20.27.41 # * HCl decides to eat chips and turn the heating up 20.34.45 # thanks amiconn 20.34.53 # :D 20.35.13 # what's the improvement for uplang? 20.35.38 # oh 20.35.39 # i see 20.35.41 # :) 20.39.49 # Now I can actually use uplang :) 20.44.44 # hehe 20.44.55 # i'm doing right now espanol.voice 20.46.39 # i added to your script the spanish dictionary for special words and the lines to use SAPI4 voices when creating espanol.voice (courtesy of Eudon). If this works ok, maybe you could check the changes and include this in your official makeVoices.vbs script :) 20.48.57 # Yes, that would be nice in fact. I added a paragraph concerning sharing the added replacement lists to the wiki page. 20.50.21 # :) 20.50.48 # we have a lot of words that need special treatment 20.51.34 # for example byte == "bait", or firmware == "firmgu-er" 20.51.42 # :) 20.54.07 # I know that. I had to do the same in german, as you might have noticed. 20.54.25 # i noticed 20.54.42 # but spanish function is much bigger 20.54.43 # :) 20.56.31 # There are actually two kinds of replacements. (1) Something that is in fact english, and can't be pronounced correctly by the non-english tts engine. (2) Something that is correct local language, but the tts engine fails on. 20.56.53 # Many entries of type (2) signal a poor tts engine. 20.59.02 Join QT [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 20.59.03 # yes 20.59.39 # AT&T german has 6 such entries... 21.00.00 # well, spanish l&h tts fails a bit with some words, but most of all are for example "mp3" or "FM"... 21.00.30 # seems that l&h fails with single letters 21.00.54 # the whole alphabet is written down in that function :/ 21.01.25 # Scary... 21.01.32 # i know 21.01.49 # checking my espanol.voice 21.01.50 # I should try and compare this with german l&h 21.01.57 # ohhh 21.02.04 # does not work :( 21.02.10 # ??? 21.02.10 # or i made an error 21.02.21 # or still get the same issue 21.02.41 # it can happen that i just run the old script 21.02.45 # let me check again 21.02.47 # Or ¿? 21.03.12 # or... something else is wrong 21.03.33 # :) 21.04.10 # * amiconn is quickly looking up something... 21.04.42 # Argl... I only changed the usage to english.lang for sapi5.... 21.05.20 # Please change line 259 in the script to read: 21.05.22 # oShell.Run "VoiceFont.exe english.lang ./ """ & sLanguage & _ 21.05.55 # argg... 21.06.09 # Sorry, I overlooked this... 21.06.14 # don't worry 21.06.15 # :) 21.06.25 # you see... i always find bugs 21.06.26 # :) 21.06.51 # Updated in the wiki. 21.07.49 # Started building deutsch.voice with sapi4 voice.... 21.08.30 # i have to wait until the scripts ends to begin again with the change 21.08.31 # :) 21.09.37 Quit rasher (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 21.09.58 # Just break it with ctrl-c 21.10.32 # hehe 21.10.40 # that's if you used command line 21.10.51 # i suppose i can find the process in the task manager 21.10.53 # :/ 21.11.58 # Didn't I say "please use command line" in the wiki ;-) 21.15.23 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new age") 21.15.34 # hmm 21.16.25 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 21.16.25 # didn't i say "opppsss... my brain is somewhere else" ? ;) 21.19.54 # Btw, what clip did you use for the "demo" clip in the wiki? 21.20.34 # I think I should add demo clips too. This is long planned, as you may have guessed from the presence of that column. 21.20.47 # oh.. 21.20.49 # ermm.. 21.20.51 # demo clip 21.21.04 # * Quelsaruk reads quickly the wiki page so he can answer 21.21.30 # Ah, you used the "sound settings" clip. 21.21.55 # s/demo/sample/ 21.23.56 # * amiconn changes the script to leave a copy of this clip as sample_.mp3 21.26.35 # oh 21.26.45 # i didn't know 21.26.47 # :) 21.27.39 # Didn't you add this to the wiki? 21.27.56 # was Eodun 21.28.06 # :) 21.28.48 # Brrr, sapi4 voice building takes ages 21.29.58 # i know 21.30.23 # building with your correction 21.30.44 # Ooopsss... I accidentally delete my pause .wav file.... 21.30.48 # *deleted 21.31.03 # hehe 21.34.06 # *yawn* 21.34.39 Quit piratePenguin ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 21.45.38 Join funkymonkey [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 21.45.38 Quit methangas (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.46.28 # testing new voice 21.54.13 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 21.57.34 # amiconn: works 21.57.35 # :) 21.57.37 # dinner time 21.57.41 # cu l8r 21.57.45 # afk 22.16.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.23.55 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 22.42.18 # back 22.42.39 Quit funkymonkey (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 22.43.38 # Building german TTS3000 takes ages, needs excess compression (I had to use --resample 8 -V 5 to make it small enough) and sounds horrible 22.44.39 # this also sounds very bad 22.44.55 # but not that horrible 22.48.02 Join jyp [0] (~jp@163.83-201-80.adsl.skynet.be) 22.55.03 # oh dear, the license for that hydrairc thing is pretty scary 22.56.36 Quit jyp ("poof!") 22.57.14 Join jyp [0] (~jp@163.83-201-80.adsl.skynet.be) 23.08.55 # hydrairc? 23.13.31 # Yup 23.13.40 # [22:23] -:- Signoff elinenbe: #rockbox (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 23.13.50 # eh 23.13.51 # okay. 23.13.53 # o.o; 23.13.57 # "Open Source", it says 23.14.04 # you must be bored... to click on urls people put in quit messages o.o; 23.14.05 # but it's more "open for examination" 23.14.09 # aha 23.14.22 # "You can look, but don't touch!" 23.14.33 # well, technically its still open source 23.34.24 Join Pieter_ [0] (Pieter@pieter.student.utwente.nl) 23.35.37 # hi!... would anyone here know if it's normal for an ondio fm to run out of batteries (alkaline) after about 2 hour of recording and ten minutes of playing back? 23.37.42 Join [av]bani [0] (~goemon@washuu.anime.net) 23.38.09 # <[av]bani> spdif spec is freely available, you just need to know where to look ;) 23.38.35 # <[av]bani> but the spec doesnt have anything to allow track names to be transmitted, hence devices which do so use some other external connector 23.45.42 Part [av]bani 23.51.07 Join Eodun [0] (~Eodun@80-28-227-168.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) 23.51.20 # hi there 23.51.36 # hi 23.52.05 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD95D1D50.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.54.57 # now the script works better, gonna rebuild voices (again) 23.55.19 # c ya! 23.55.26 Quit Eodun (Client Quit) 23.56.03 Quit Pieter_ ()