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02.59.48 #       <preglow> my god, how i love compiler bugs
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04.51.06 #       <travisimo> Soooo.... will there be a h300 rockbox firmware thing?
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05.09.39 #       <travisimo> So will there be a rockbox firmwarething for iriver h300?
05.11.20 #       <rasher> likely, yes
05.12.36 #       <travisimo> thats awesome, thank you
05.12.56 #       <rasher> right now they're focusing on the h100 series
05.16.20 #       <travisimo> oh
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12.48.13 #       <Bagder> time to build a coldfire compiler
12.49.11 #       <ripnetuk> the instructions on the web site to create a cross compiler are very good :)
12.49.29 #       <Bagder> I agree
12.49.37 #       <Bagder> but...
12.49.45 #       <ripnetuk> are you building the reccomended version (3.3.4) or the latest?
12.49.50 #       <Bagder> the current CVS of binutils doesn't work
12.51.10 #       <Bagder> I'm gonna try 3.4.3
12.51.33 #       <Bagder> the 3.3.4 recommendation is mainly for the archoses
12.51.47 #       <ripnetuk> the cvs worked for me last week (binutils)
12.53.40 #       <Bagder> I think I lack some tool or something
12.54.10 #       <ripnetuk> i put a couple of depends on the wiki
12.54.42 #       <Bagder> I noticed, but I thought 'gettext-base' (debian) would be enough
12.55.00 #       <Bagder> I guess I was wrong
12.55.34 #       <ripnetuk> the error messages were very unclear 
12.55.43 #       <ripnetuk> i did some googling on the message and got lucky :)
12.56.12 Part    Zagor
12.56.26 #       <Bagder> yes, seems to work now
12.56.34 #       <ripnetuk> cool
12.59.50 #       <ripnetuk> so are you testing the bootloader then :)
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13.00.20 #       <Bagder> I'll even go for more than so ;-)
13.01.08 #       <Bagder> I'll work on getting more stuff to compile and build for the iriver
13.01.40 #       <DMJC-L> ?
13.01.53 #       <DMJC-L> can you flash an iriver atm with the new firmware?
13.02.20 #       <Bagder> yes
13.02.22 #       <ripnetuk> i really want to see the flashing backlight - that is the proof of concept (on my specific player) that i need
13.02.34 #       <ripnetuk> and the dangerous bit over :)
13.02.50 #       <DMJC-L> what happens when you flash it?
13.03.02 #       <DMJC-L> will it become a brick? or will the old firmware still be useable?
13.03.06 #       <Bagder> DMJC-L: you get a bootloader that can either start the original one, or load Rockbox and run it
13.03.12 #       <ripnetuk> it looks for a rockbox.bin on the hdd by default. If you hold rec it will run the original
13.03.14 #       <DMJC-L> cool
13.03.30 #       <ripnetuk> but the advice from LinusN is to wait until he includes more safety features
13.03.39 #       <DMJC-L> ok
13.03.39 #       <ripnetuk> otherwise you risk bricking it!
13.03.56 #       <ripnetuk> im waiting till at least one other person has flashed it
13.04.17 #       <Bagder> yes, its better that us people near the BDM try this first
13.04.24 #       <DMJC-L> heh
13.04.29 #       <ripnetuk> thats why im badgering bagder (sorry!) to see how his testing is going :)
13.06.35 #       <Bagder> m68k-elf-gcc --version
13.06.36 #       <ripnetuk> does anyone know which version of gcc linus is using for m68 stuff? everyone else seems to be using a more recent one than me (im using 3.3.4 - everyone else seems to be using 3.4.3).
13.06.36 #       <Bagder> m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.3
13.06.55 #       <ripnetuk> that built quick :)
13.06.57 #       <Bagder> I don't know
13.07.03 #       <Bagder> yeps, core only
13.07.16 #       <ripnetuk> what does core only mean? no gdb?
13.07.33 #       <Bagder> no c++, no fortran, no java etc
13.07.40 #       <ripnetuk> i see
13.07.48 #       <Bagder> gdb is a separate package
13.08.03 #       <ripnetuk> i skipped gdb as im not planning on building the serial dongle
13.08.11 #       <ripnetuk> unless forced to by a bad flash :)
13.16.16 #       * Bagder edited CrossCompiler somewhat
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13.18.43 #       <ripnetuk> im building the latest version of gcc now... i want to be using the same tools as everyone else... i will keep both versions binaries handy
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13.51.51 #       <DMJC-L> bah I can't be bothered building all this compiler crap
13.51.53 #       <DMJC-L> can someone send me the files prebuilt when they get it working?
13.52.15 #       <Bagder> why?
13.52.35 #       <Bagder> if you don't want the compiler setup, why would you want to see a flashing backlight you can't turn off?
13.52.46 #       <DMJC-L> wait what?
13.53.03 #       <Bagder> that's all rockbox does atm
13.53.12 #       <DMJC-L> ah
13.53.14 #       <DMJC-L> bah
13.53.19 #       <DMJC-L> forget it then
13.53.26 #       <DMJC-L> keep up the good work tho ;)
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14.01.24 #       <Bagder> now I only have like a 100 link errors, then it builds... :-)
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14.07.03 #       <ripnetuk> im still building 3.4.3
14.07.31 #       <ripnetuk> (i rebuilt 3.3.4 first because i want a neat directory structure!)
14.07.42 #       <Bagder> :-)
14.08.03 #       <ripnetuk> i want to get that same md5 on the bootloader that everyone else is getting :)
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14.22.50 #       <Bagder> 93 errors to go
14.25.34 #       <ashridah> heh. i love watching people new to programming fix errors in their code. they do that whole 'wtf?! 30 errors?' thing and get depressed, then you tell them to only fix the first error, and recompile, and they're all happy because it drops to 2 errors :)
14.26.03 #       <ze> hehe
14.27.49 #       <ripnetuk> \yes :) i have a md5sum of 9da072762fbb437ff4cb28fbcc29d0a8 on bootloader.bin :)
14.29.05 #       <ripnetuk> bagder - why do many errors? are you trying to compile the rest of rockbox? i thought LinusN had already made headway porting it, just not committed to cvs?
14.29.17 #       <Bagder> he only built a subset
14.29.26 #       <Bagder> I'm trying the full thing
14.29.32 #       <Bagder> (except plugins)
14.29.48 #       <ripnetuk> nice
14.30.03 #       <Bagder> I talked to him yday about this, so he's aware of my work
14.30.10 #       <ripnetuk> the toolchain uses up a lot of space - 3.3.4 and 3.4.3 (incluiding tarballs) come to ... 1.1GIG :)
14.30.16 #       <Bagder> !
14.30.54 #       <ripnetuk> have you flashed then?
14.31.00 #       <Bagder> nope
14.49.34 #       <Bagder> 34 errors
14.50.30 #       <ripnetuk> getting there
14.51.07 #       <Bagder> one step at a time
14.51.17 #       <Bagder> adding dummy stubs all over
14.51.29 #       <ripnetuk> i make that 59 sterp :)
14.51.30 #       <dwihno> Bagder: what are you doing really? trying to compile the current codebase with the calmrisc(?) gcc?
14.51.32 #       <ripnetuk> steps
14.51.42 #       <ripnetuk> he is doing m68k
14.51.42 #       <Bagder> dwihno: no, coldfire
14.52.00 #       <dwihno> Bagder: is it a big diff?
14.52.10 #       * dwihno knows nothing about motorola processors
14.52.23 #       <dwihno> Apart from the 68000 being a cool thing :)
14.52.40 #       <Bagder> the code is assuming Archos and SH all over
14.52.45 #       <Bagder> not very surprisingly
14.53.27 #       <dwihno> yeah
14.53.48 #       <dwihno> is it a major hassle to make the stubs?
14.54.06 #       <Bagder> it isn't hard or anything
14.54.09 #       <Bagder> just a lot of work
14.54.36 #       <dwihno> It has to be done :)
14.54.40 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.55.11 #       <Bagder> then we should be able to do more than flash backlight :-)
14.55.26 #       <ripnetuk> nice
14.55.29 #       <dwihno> that's all you can do atm? :)
14.55.46 #       <Bagder> we can do more, but the default iriver build only does that
14.56.11 #       <dwihno> it's a start :)
14.56.19 #       <dwihno> with the current codebase, where are the limits drawn?
14.56.34 #       <Bagder> which limits do you mean?
14.57.28 #       <dwihno> Well, file system driver, ata stuff, missing audio output
14.57.47 #       <Bagder> the ata and fat32 work
14.57.51 #       <Bagder> the lcd driver works
14.57.51 #       <dwihno> Theoretically, perhaps you could run the dir browser?
14.57.55 #       <Bagder> yes
14.58.00 #       <Bagder> once I'm done with this
14.58.10 #       <ripnetuk> i think linus has a jpg on the site showing dir browser
14.58.12 #       <Bagder> and load fonts
14.58.35 #       <Bagder> that's actually a fake dir browser I believe ;-)
14.58.40 #       <dwihno> ;)
14.58.51 #       <Bagder> it reads the dir and show the contents
14.58.56 #       <Bagder> its not the actual dir browser code
14.59.13 #       <Bagder> but we're coming there soon
14.59.24 #       <dwihno> so what is missing in the stubs?
14.59.39 #       <Bagder> its mostly about mpeg playing
14.59.46 #       <Bagder> and mas stuff
14.59.46 #       <dwihno> audio specific stuff
14.59.50 #       <Bagder> yes
14.59.55 #       <dwihno> would've guessed that
15.00.21 #       <dwihno> has there been any disussion regarding codec integration?
15.00.35 #       <Bagder> there's a wiki page about it
15.01.10 #       <dwihno> ah
15.01.13 #       <dwihno> I'll check it later on
15.02.05 #       <dwihno> Nice of you to get your hands dirty and do this now... Once the bootloader goes gold, people will dev like crazy! :)
15.02.39 #       <DMJC-L> hell yeah
15.03.03 #       <DMJC-L> isn't this the closest thing to having an oen spec ipod?
15.03.05 #       <DMJC-L> open
15.03.13 #       <DMJC-L> I mean I know it's better than an ipod..
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15.26.39 #       <Bagder> they run linux on ipod, I would say that is even closer to an open source on ipod
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15.37.15 #       <Bagder> 18
15.37.28 #       <ripnetuk> 18 green bottles hanging in the wall...
15.37.48 #       <ripnetuk> is is you who has lent their iriver to someone?
15.37.59 #       <Bagder> no, that's zagor
15.38.08 #       <Bagder> mine is here
15.38.29 #       <ripnetuk> cool... and you live close enough to LinusN to bdm it if needed?
15.38.34 #       <Bagder> yes
15.38.51 #       <Bagder> but I'll still let Linus flash his own 140 first
15.39.15 #       <ripnetuk> i thought he had already done that
15.39.26 #       <Bagder> no, only his 120 I believe
15.39.39 #       <ripnetuk> i see... i doiidnt realise he had both
15.39.53 #       <Bagder> he has a 120 with the BDM soldered to it
15.39.58 #       <Bagder> and a separate 140 he can use
15.40.00 #       <ripnetuk> i might pull mine apart and compare the chips to those on the wiki, to see if anything has changed
15.41.17 #       <preglow> i really doubt that
15.41.21 #       <preglow> mine was identical, at least
15.41.32 #       <Bagder> 15 errors
15.41.46 #       <Bagder> but I don't think I'll reach further right now
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15.42.26 #       <Bagder> perhaps I should try some plugins... :-)
15.42.43 #       <preglow> what're you doing?
15.42.58 #       <Bagder> I build the full rockbox with m68k
15.43.49 #       <preglow> ahhh
15.44.05 #       <Bagder> Linus' version was a stripped one
15.45.19 #       <preglow> but 15 errors isn't too bad at all
15.45.29 #       <Bagder> they're all related to one problem
15.45.44 #       <Bagder> I start with ~200
15.45.45 #       <preglow> the m68k gcc target is unfortunately a bit old and crummy, i'm told :/
15.45.46 #       <Bagder> started
15.46.06 #       <preglow> what problem is that?
15.46.20 #       <Bagder> undefined reference to `mp3end
15.46.33 #       <Bagder> mp3end being a symbol in the link file
15.46.40 #       <preglow> 7hmm
15.47.06 #       <preglow> i'd like to try porting mad 
15.47.14 #       <preglow> do you know if anyone are doing that at the moment?
15.47.24 #       <Bagder> I don't think so
15.47.39 #       <preglow> i don't know if i have the time, though
15.47.51 #       <preglow> and i need to find out the dsp caps of the coldfire first
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15.59.08 #       <preglow> i appreciate configure  complaining about my compiler not being able to make executables when the thing in question is a library
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15.59.18 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
15.59.32 #       <Bagder> hi Q
16.11.04 #       <preglow> seems like mad uses 64 bit ints, lovely
16.12.37 #       <ripnetuk> doesnt coldfire support 64 bit ints then? cant the compiler make up the gap?
16.13.27 #       <preglow> i'd really like to use the emac unit, but i have to find out how it works before i do anything else
16.13.47 #       <ripnetuk> is the emac a dsp thing? like mmx and simd?
16.14.43 #       <preglow> no, not really, it's just an extended precision multiply and accumulate unit
16.14.50 #       <preglow> fast good precision multiply and add, in other words
16.14.55 #       <preglow> which is more or less what dsp is about ;)
16.15.10 #       <ripnetuk> i dont have specific esxperience with media encoding...
16.15.39 #       <preglow> dsp is one of my main interests
16.15.53 #       <ripnetuk> cool topic to be interested in
16.16.01 #       <preglow> but i've never used fixed point seriously at all, so this is going to be fun 
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16.16.19 #       <LinusN> shalom
16.16.23 #       <preglow> indeed
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16.17.12 #       <LinusN> never used fixed point? you are so spoiled :-)
16.18.34 #       <preglow> i've used it, but not seriously
16.18.42 #       <preglow> like i have floating point
16.18.58 #       <preglow> but i know how to use it, i'm just not used to it ;)
16.19.28 #       <preglow> you get some kind of backlog or are you just psychic?
16.19.40 #       <LinusN> i'm psychic
16.19.42 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.19.44 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt
16.19.50 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
16.19.54 #       <preglow> nice
16.20.01 #       <LinusN> logs since the very beginning of the project
16.20.38 #       <ripnetuk> ive put up a php site that grabs the current log for today and highlights any lines that contain iriver :) usefull for keeping up with progress
16.20.44 #       <preglow> think i'll stick to current
16.20.49 #       <Quelsaruk> LinusN is like a wizard
16.20.50 #       <preglow> hah
16.20.55 #       <Quelsaruk> he knows when people need him
16.20.58 #       <preglow> ripnetuk: got an url? :P
16.20.59 #       <Quelsaruk> and apears
16.21.03 #       <LinusN> Bagder: which link control file are you using?
16.21.05 #       <ripnetuk> http://www.ripnet.co.uk/rockboxirc/
16.21.36 #       <ripnetuk> it also cuts out the crap (join, leave etc) and highlights the wise words of linusn in a different colour :)
16.22.19 #       <preglow> ripnetuk: hah, this is quite excellent
16.22.34 #       <ripnetuk> ta
16.22.46 #       <ripnetuk> you can also enter a previous log date and see that highlighted
16.22.58 #       <LinusN> ripnetuk: excessive line spacing
16.23.09 #       <ripnetuk> maybe, but it reads good on my pda
16.23.17 #       <Lynx_> ripnetuk: hmm, it also hightlights my wise words if i type LinusN ;)
16.23.24 #       <preglow> haha
16.23.27 #       <ripnetuk> yes, its not very sophisticated :)
16.24.17 #       <LinusN> i have to go
16.24.22 #       <LinusN> cu around
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17.56.19 #       <preglow> does rockbox have a malloc type thing?
17.56.59 #       <preglow> it actually has malloc, wee
17.57.53 #       <ripnetuk> i thought malloc was considered the work of the devil by rockbox?
17.58.20 #       <ripnetuk> bye
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18.01.16 #       <preglow> well, the archos has little memory, perhaps that's why
18.02.27 #       <preglow> damn, i'm replying to absent people, thinking they might be reading these fancy logging pages
18.10.38 #       <preglow> where does __assert come from?
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18.56.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: r u there?
19.10.09 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: N6w  a0,
19.10.16 #       <amiconn> erm, now I am
19.10.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> looks interesting ;-)
19.10.42 #       <amiconn> Yeah. I *hate* numlock on laptops :-/
19.10.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've written an email, meanwhile
19.11.12 #       * amiconn is checking email
19.11.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not sent yet
19.11.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> anyway, I fail to reproduce your problem with the MMC image
19.12.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> using CVS-050131 for now
19.12.08 #       <amiconn> Really?
19.12.22 #       <amiconn> I tried it on my sister's Ondio last weekend - same problem.
19.12.51 #       * amiconn builds current cvs and retries...
19.12.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> instead, I get an audio underrung close to the end
19.13.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> underrun
19.19.43 #       <amiconn> The problem is still there
19.19.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm
19.20.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> should we compare with an identical daily build version?
19.20.43 #       <amiconn> Played the video file, choose resume = yes, played a few seconds, stopped. File was displayed in current dir, pressed left -> no files and folders displayed
19.21.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I tried similar
19.21.20 #       <amiconn> I can try to play up to the end, should be the same.
19.21.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with above daily build
19.21.50 #       <amiconn> What works is when you start playing at the beginning and stop before ~2:49 are played.
19.22.16 #       <amiconn> You used an official daily, or an own build? Flashed?
19.22.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> official build, flashed
19.23.05 #       <amiconn> Hmm, lemme try. I'll also compare rombox (what I am running all the time) with rockbox from ram.
19.23.14 #       <amiconn> 050131?
19.23.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yep
19.23.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but no rombox :-(
19.24.48 #       <amiconn> Yes, that's clear.
19.25.18 #       <amiconn> Anyway, this shouldn't make a difference, as my sister's Ondio had the same problem, also without rombox (FM).
19.25.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> flashed, I guess?
19.25.39 #       <amiconn> yup
19.27.14 #       <amiconn> Same problem with CVS-050131, from ram
19.27.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> very strange
19.28.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> looks like your card fails
19.28.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or marginal timing
19.28.18 #       <amiconn> I'll reformat & write back the image.
19.28.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'll do that, too
19.28.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I ran chckdsk on it, but read only
19.30.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> c u later
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19.36.18 #       <amiconn> Bagder: r u there?
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20.25.11 #       <HCl> mrf
20.25.19 #       <HCl> sup?
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21.00.38 #       <pvh> Hi, as of yesterday when I start rockbox, the disk spins up and reads a little bit, but then the access light stays on and it never goes past the boot-logo.
21.00.49 #       <pvh> I'm running a rombox build from September.
21.01.13 #       <pvh> Holding F1 gives me the classic archos boot screen which then becomes the rockbox logo and freezes there instead.
21.01.17 #       <pvh> Any ideas?
21.23.00 #       <HCl>  :x
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21.34.44 #       <Peter99> I have a question concerning the ID3 database
21.35.14 #       <Peter99> I did follow the instructions given on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase .
21.36.06 #       <Peter99> I switched the view to "ID3 database" but it does not show anything
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21.41.19 #       <Peter99> Any help is appreciated
21.41.53 #       <jyp_> Zagor is the developer of the id3 stuff
21.43.13 #       <jyp_> I don't know if any one else can help you
21.46.46 #       <Peter99> Ok thanks anyway
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22.00.50 #       * HCl yawns
22.01.01 #       <HCl> has anyone aside from linus tested the new iriver bootloader yet?
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22.09.02 #       <DMJC-L> I want to damnit
22.09.10 #       <HCl> whats keeping you? o.o;
22.09.23 #       <DMJC-L> I don't want to build the compiler heh
22.09.30 #       <HCl> prf.
22.09.38 #       <HCl> meh, i guess i could compile it for you if you want?
22.09.46 #       <DMJC-L> sure
22.09.55 #       <HCl> ofcourse, you'd have to trust me and stuff, but why would i want to mess up an iriver of a person o.o;
22.10.04 #       <DMJC-L> afaik the bootloader shouldn't get updated much right?
22.10.09 #       <HCl> *searches on how to compile the bootloader
22.10.18 #       <HCl> well, i looked at the code of it a bit, it seems fairly straightforward
22.10.31 #       <HCl> the only thing that might change in the future is the memory address, maybe, i dunno.
22.10.36 #       <HCl> let me try to compile it for you..
22.10.47 #       <DMJC-L> they tested it with the original firmware?
22.10.50 #       <HCl> i hope it'll do threads while compiling
22.10.51 #       <HCl> yea.
22.10.55 #       <HCl> it runs rockbox by default
22.10.58 #       <HCl> and the original firmware
22.11.01 #       <HCl> if you press record
22.11.02 #       <HCl> while booting
22.11.04 #       <DMJC-L> as long as i can access the original it's good
22.11.18 #       <HCl> well, obviously, only linus tested it, so i can't guarantee it
22.11.20 #       <HCl> but it *should* work
22.12.00 #       <DMJC-L> I find your lack of faith disturbing
22.12.05 #       <DMJC-L> j/k
22.12.08 #       <HCl> ? o.o
22.12.08 #       <HCl> ok :P
22.12.38 #       <HCl> i'm just careful to not guarantee anything. so people will know the exact risk, and stuff.
22.12.55 #       <DMJC-L> yeah
22.12.58 #       <HCl> pretty much, it *should* work, and there's not really a reason why it wouldn't, but no one guarantees that it won't
22.13.03 #       <HCl> eh
22.13.03 #       <HCl> will
22.13.13 #       <HCl> anyways
22.13.16 #       <HCl> let me get to that building stuff.
22.13.26 #       <DMJC-L> k
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22.18.56 #       <DMJC-L> damnit... I wanted to ask linus about the 140s...
22.19.02 #       <DMJC-L> since that's what I have
22.19.59 #       <HCl> m?
22.20.03 #       <HCl> what about them..?
22.20.23 #       <HCl> they're pretty much exactly the same as the 120, except they're black,slightly bigger, and have a 40gb hd
22.21.22 #       <DMJC-L> heh
22.21.47 #       <DMJC-L> the extra width is from the hdd afaik
22.22.04 #       <HCl> yea
22.22.12 #       <HCl> they even have the exact same firmware
22.23.11 #       <DMJC-L> will rockbox be able to handle hdd over 40gb?
22.23.32 #       <DMJC-L> (future mods)
22.23.50 #       <HCl> yup
22.24.04 #       <HCl> its just a matter of finding a hdd that small that'll fit in the iriver
22.24.12 #       <DMJC-L> wicked
22.24.20 #       <HCl> even the stock firmware might support a hdd upgrade since its used for both the 20gb and 40gb hdds
22.24.37 #       <HCl> thank god for make -j5
22.24.54 #       <DMJC-L> steal an ipod, butcher it
22.25.01 #       <HCl> heh
22.25.10 #       * HCl pats his 4 550mhz cpus :)
22.25.20 #       <DMJC-L> hehehe nice
22.26.18 #       <DMJC-L> so how do you install rockbox? just place it on the drive and tell it to flash?
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22.28.16 #       <HCl> yea.. pretty much, i'll merge the bootloader with the original firmware
22.28.20 #       <HCl> then give it to you
22.28.27 #       <HCl> there's a new wikipage on how to do it
22.28.37 #       <HCl> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot
22.28.54 #       <jyp> If you butcher an ipod, I take the lcd ;?
22.29.01 #       <jyp> ;)
22.30.16 #       <HCl> i'm getting the idea make with multiple threads doesn't play well with binutils :/
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22.30.38 #       * HCl will have to run on one cpu u.u
22.30.58 #       <DMJC-L> take your time
22.31.15 #       <ripnetUK> hehe the build process for the bootloader takes less than 10s - multi threaded build is overkill
22.31.23 #       <HCl> DMJC-L: want me to tweak the source of the bootloader so it'll load iriver firmware by default?
22.31.30 #       <DMJC-L> sure
22.31.31 #       <HCl> ripnetUK: i don't have a crosscompiler yet
22.31.37 #       <ripnetUK> i see...
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22.32.15 #       <ripnetUK> you are welcome to a copy of my binaries if u like, but sounds like u are already there. I have built both 3.4.3 and 3.3.4
22.32.27 #       <HCl> nah, its okay.. i think.
22.32.31 #       <uhum> uh...um....
22.32.34 #       <ripnetUK> i also get the same md5 on bootloader.bin
22.32.44 #       <ripnetUK> as some others have reported... but I dare not flash my 140 
22.32.46 #       <uhum> are you freaking crazy? do you want to brick your player?
22.33.09 #       <HCl> thats what they said when people talked about plans of going to the moon ;p
22.33.09 #       * uhum is talking to DMJC-L
22.33.12 #       <DMJC-L> ?
22.33.14 #       <ripnetUK> it has to be noted that Linus has only tried the firmware on ONE h120 not a h140, and that it has no safety features
22.33.31 #       <ripnetUK> he is working on a couple of safety features.
22.33.50 #       <uhum> HCl, true, but people went to the moon had PLANS, and calculations
22.33.52 #       <DMJC-L> "safety features?"
22.33.52 #       <ripnetUK> but it also has to be said that I have come close to risking it a couple of times... would be fun to build a bdm :)
22.33.59 #       <uhum> exactly
22.34.12 #       <uhum> okie, tada, just wanted to let you know DMJC-L
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22.34.19 #       <HCl> o.o
22.34.22 #       <HCl> who was that anyways? xD
22.34.35 #       <HCl> but yea, like i told you, you need to be aware that no one guarantees that it'll work
22.34.43 #       <HCl> but it *should*
22.34.48 #       <ripnetUK> from a selfish point of view, I cant wait until someone else tries it on a h140 :) but i advise against it
22.35.10 #       <DMJC-L> will my brick still work as a hard drive?
22.35.21 #       <ripnetUK> which version of gcc u using hcl?
22.35.23 #       <jyp> no
22.35.25 #       <HCl> if you get the harddrive out :X
22.35.31 #       <DMJC-L> bah
22.35.34 #       <HCl> i got the recommended one
22.35.40 #       <ripnetUK> the 3.3.4?
22.35.41 #       <HCl> 3.3.4?
22.35.42 #       <HCl> yea
22.35.43 #       <HCl> that
22.36.03 #       <ripnetUK> brb... shop run
22.36.52 #       <DMJC-L> what safety features
22.37.08 #       <HCl> dunno :X
22.38.07 #       <DMJC-L> I think I'll wait to hear about those
22.38.16 #       <HCl> *nods*
22.38.23 #       <ripnetUK> he is writing a minimon, which will allow a (partially) failed attempt to flash to be recovered with a simple circuit
22.38.32 #       <ripnetUK> instead of needing a full bdm emulator.
22.38.46 #       <HCl> i'm gonna make my cross compiler anyways
22.38.48 #       <ripnetUK> I also heard he is making the exception vector jump to the original firmware in case something goes wrong
22.39.08 #       <HCl> sounds reasonable
22.39.40 #       <ripnetUK> the main thing i am worried about is a slight hardware difference between the 120 and the 140 (or different revisions of the board)
22.39.48 #       <DMJC-L> yeah
22.40.04 #       <DMJC-L> that's what I suspected could happen
22.40.26 #       <DMJC-L> being a different physical shape is not a good indicator of sameness
22.41.03 #       <Bagder> the disk is thicker
22.41.10 #       <Bagder> that's why
22.41.48 #       <DMJC-L> I know
22.41.56 #       <DMJC-L> 2 platters vs 1
22.42.09 #       <ripnetUK> they use the same firmware, but it could well be "if chip is x, do y else do z" job...
22.42.15 #       <ripnetUK> anyway, brb, shop
22.42.16 #       <DMJC-L> heh
22.42.23 #       <DMJC-L> I suspected that too..
22.42.32 #       <DMJC-L> that's how nvidia's drivers work for their gfx
22.45.02 #       <HCl> i honestly have no clue whether they do that or not.
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22.45.39 #       <HCl> has anyone ever opened an ihp140 up to compare the boards?
22.45.41 #       <HCl> to an 120 ?
22.45.52 #       <HCl> someone's bound to have done that..
22.46.09 #       <amiconn> Iirc, Linus did this, and (again iirc) the boards are identical
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22.46.22 #       <HCl> kay
22.46.34 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
22.46.42 #       <amiconn> hi Quelsaruk
22.46.43 #       <HCl> hey quelsathingy
22.46.45 #       <HCl> how goes?
22.46.56 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
22.47.07 #       <Quelsaruk> working hard
22.47.10 #       <Quelsaruk> sadly..
22.47.12 #       <HCl> *nods*
22.47.20 #       <HCl> well, working isn't bad as long as you enjoy your work
22.47.54 #       <HCl> so you can either change the work, or do something to make it more enjoyable :P
22.47.58 #       <Quelsaruk> ;)
22.48.19 #       <Quelsaruk> i like my job, but i prefer having more spare time
22.48.30 #       <HCl> mhm.
22.48.50 #       <HCl> music often helps me a lot while doing work i dislike
22.49.04 #       <Quelsaruk> that's why we use rockbox ;)
22.49.13 #       <HCl>  yup :P
22.49.13 #       <HCl> well.
22.49.21 #       <HCl> in my case, will use rockbox
22.49.24 #       <HCl> doesn't work yet :/
22.49.42 #       <Quelsaruk> yo use iriver then?
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22.50.39 #       <rasher> jesus
22.50.56 #       <HCl> Quelsaruk: yup
22.51.08 #       <HCl> i can't wait to work on a gameboy emu for it
22.53.14 #       <Quelsaruk> amiconn: have you seen Eodun today?
22.53.16 #       <Bagder> commits coming up
22.53.30 #       <Quelsaruk> he had to send me some cosmetic changes for Espanol.lang
22.54.12 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: Nope.
22.54.18 #       <amiconn> Quote from logbot:
22.54.23 #       <amiconn> -logbot_- eodun (~Eodun@80-28-111-90.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) signed off 11 hours and 5 minutes ago (Client Quit)
22.54.28 #       <Quelsaruk> oh
22.58.35 #       <amiconn> Reg. the "playlist" / "buffer full" issue: I wonder why these are defined as 2 strings in the first place. They are joined for displaying with splash() anyway. If they were defined as one string from the start, nobody would have been tempted to reuse it...
22.59.11 #       <Bagder> it was a bad decision that has remained so
22.59.16 #       <Quelsaruk> because when lang files where created, splash function did not exist
22.59.54 #       <Quelsaruk> so "splash windows" where just a black screen with the text message
23.00.02 #       <Quelsaruk> :/
23.00.36 #       <HCl> mmm
23.00.44 #       <HCl> does rockbox have anything like a HAL yet?
23.00.50 #       <Bagder> no
23.00.55 #       <HCl> or is that just too inefficient to implement on a small rom
23.00.55 #       <HCl> ?
23.01.34 #       <Bagder> I don't think we need a general HAL, but instead focus on writing abstract layers where we think it is applicable
23.01.39 #       <Quelsaruk> i suppose the easiest way to repair that is to use the LANG_PLAYINDICES_BUFFER as the text "Playlist buffer is full" and leave LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST just as "Playlist"
23.01.44 #       <jyp> Ain't the firmware directory sort of a HAL ?
23.01.53 #       <Bagder> sort of
23.01.58 #       <jyp> ok
23.01.58 #       <Bagder> right
23.02.18 #       <jyp> just fearing to port the app dir ;)
23.02.21 #       <Bagder> we should probably make it that somewhat harder
23.02.26 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: I think I have to agree. There are 2 slightly odd things that may happen.
23.02.39 #       <Bagder> jyp: I've done several fixes there now that'll benefit your work too
23.02.45 #       <jyp> Great
23.02.52 #       <Bagder> jyp: since I built apps for iriver today
23.03.14 #       <amiconn> (1) If someone uses newer rockbox with older .lng file, it would only display "buffer full" instead of "Playlist buffer full"
23.03.23 #       <jyp> btw did the usb driver for gmini 
23.03.32 #       <jyp> waiting to be enabled in config
23.03.44 #       <amiconn> (2) The other way round, (old rockbox with new .lng), it would show "Playlist playlist buffer full"
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23.04.00 #       <Bagder> jyp: nice, you're progressing mighty fine!
23.04.15 #       <jyp> Well, it is untested stuff
23.04.30 #       <Quelsaruk> but amiconn, that problem is going to happen if we try to repair it using other method
23.04.35 #       <Quelsaruk> hi Eodun
23.04.42 #       <Eodun> hi Quel
23.04.45 #       <jyp> I just wanted to reduce the build log ;)
23.04.57 #       <jyp> but the basic thing is there
23.04.58 #       <Quelsaruk> if we add a new ID, called LANG_PLAYLIST
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23.06.29 #       <amiconn> Bagder: You thought about decreasing the build table width. I'd suggest to put one word per line in the header for all targets, is it already is for Play/Sim/Win32 etc.
23.06.35 #       <Quelsaruk> then, using new firmware, you have to retrieve the english text to read everywhere you use this new id
23.07.29 #       <amiconn> Bagder: I.e. Ondio/SP, Ondio/FM, Iriver/H100/Boot etc.
23.08.11 #       <Bagder> isn't it already one word per line?
23.08.54 #       * jyp sees one word per line
23.08.59 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: Of course, using your suggested method, the language id names have to stay as they are now. This can be slightly misleading; at least the description should clearly say what this is about
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23.09.30 #       <Quelsaruk> yes
23.09.40 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Only if the browser window is small enough. For me, Ondio FM, Ondio SP, Iriver H100 all appear on one line
23.09.46 #       <Quelsaruk> maybe adding a *WARNING* in the desc.
23.10.03 #       <amiconn> The other examples I stated have a <br> between each two words.
23.10.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: MMC image restored, still no problem
23.10.15 #       <Bagder> if you have that much space, there's no need to make it narrower anyway
23.10.29 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: MMC image retransferred, problem still exists... :(
23.10.30 #       <Bagder> I was more concered when the table doesn't fit in a plain window anymore
23.10.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> or do I have to play from start (not resume to some end position)?
23.11.08 #       * HCl yawns while he watches gcc and libc and libm compile..
23.11.08 #       <amiconn> Bagder: There would be one reason - the column widths are very unequal in width for me
23.11.18 #       <Bagder> right
23.11.19 #       <Bagder> I
23.11.22 #       <Bagder> 'll fix
23.11.58 #       <Bagder> jyp: took you down from 75 to 43 errors ;-)
23.12.03 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: No, the problem occurs (for me) both when resuming and when playing from the start. Only that you have to play long enough, past 02:49
23.12.06 #       <Bagder> (but added 25 sim warnings)
23.12.36 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: It also occurs for me when playing straight from start to end.
23.12.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: ok, then my quick re-check should have showed it
23.13.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> shown
23.13.23 #       <HCl> gee, done o.o; quad cpu systems are nice :P
23.13.33 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Hmm. I'd really like to know what's going on here
23.14.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you have access to another MMC >= 256 MB?
23.14.32 #       <Bagder> amiconn: try it now
23.14.36 #       <amiconn> The problem is 100% reproducable on 2 Ondios with my card. I reformatted the card - no problem. I retransferred the image - no problem. Chkdsk tells me the fs is ok
23.14.39 #       <HCl> Error: unrecognized architecture specification `5249'
23.14.42 #       <HCl> hrm. :/
23.14.59 #       <Bagder> HCl: is this binutils from cvs?
23.15.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and I swear it's working here
23.15.29 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Nice :) Only that the many Gmini warnings & errors now make every table row 2-line :-/
23.15.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> some side effect with the internal memory?
23.15.35 #       <HCl> Bagder: no, i couldn't get the cvs binutils to compile
23.15.41 #       <HCl> it asked for something called "no"
23.15.43 #       <HCl> which i didn't have o.o;
23.15.49 #       <Bagder> you need gettext
23.15.53 #       <HCl> i have gettext...
23.15.56 #       <Bagder> I got that exactly problem
23.15.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: perhaps that matters, when it confuses volumes, or so
23.16.00 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Sorry, it's the only MMC I have
23.16.00 #       <Bagder> without gettext
23.16.01 #       <HCl> i'll try it again....
23.16.15 #       <Bagder> HCl: you must use the cvs version, since the plain 2.15 lacks vital stuff
23.16.37 #       <Bagder> patches provided by a certain LinusN... .-)
23.17.36 #       <HCl> yea, i noticed
23.17.54 #       <Quelsaruk> amiconn: wehn you have 5 minutes we can talk about that lang ID issue (when you finish with [idc]dragon)
23.18.12 #       <amiconn> Grr, I'm already heavily multi-tasking :-/
23.18.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> sorry for interfering, carry on please
23.18.34 #       * amiconn is in the process of soldering and photo-shooting
23.18.51 #       * [IDC]Dragon was unaware of other discussions
23.18.58 #       <amiconn> (undoing uart boot mod for player & documenting for wiki)
23.19.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> good
23.19.48 #       <Quelsaruk> [IDC]Dragon: don't worry, our issue is not too important
23.19.55 #       <Quelsaruk> has been like this for at least 3 months
23.19.56 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
23.20.00 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: The problem with your suggestion would be that other languages which don't get updated still use the old assigments...
23.21.02 #       <amiconn> There are languages which are waaaay outdated.... Rockbox shouldn't claim to suppport >20 languages when the number of actively maintained languages is <5
23.21.17 #       <HCl>  :P
23.21.30 #       * HCl wouldn't want a rockbox in his native language anyways...
23.21.38 #       <HCl> computer programs in my native language creep me out.
23.21.39 #       <HCl>  :X
23.21.48 #       <jyp> What language is it ?
23.21.52 #       <HCl> dutch x.x
23.21.58 #       <Quelsaruk> amiconn: we get a backwards compatibility, we have to decide wheter we want a good solution (i.e. correcting the lang ID and their use) or a easy patch which enable the use of old languages
23.22.05 #       <amiconn> The latter are english (of course), german, swedish, spanish and (to some degree) french. Did I forget one?
23.22.35 #       <Quelsaruk> i must say that part of the fault is mine
23.22.59 #       * jyp should learn dutch
23.23.01 #       <Quelsaruk> i was a long time away, so i did not update language patches.. and people did not submit new patches
23.24.11 #       <HCl> jyp: nooooooo!
23.24.13 #       <Eodun> well, I could make a catalan translation, but dunno if it would be more useful than swahili, for example...
23.24.17 #       <HCl> dutch is awful :X
23.24.58 #       <Quelsaruk> Eodun: i don't know.. you can try ;)
23.25.01 #       <Eodun> lol, I mean, i love catalan, but don't think it would be downloaded a lot
23.25.23 #       <jyp> HCl, as a french speaking Belgian citizen, you'd better know dutch to get better jobs ;)
23.27.30 #       <Eodun> X-D If I write the catalan translation, I would have to make a new catalan voice... my own one!
23.27.55 #       <Quelsaruk> you can use your real voice for that
23.27.56 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
23.28.14 #       <Eodun> yeah, that was what I tried to say :)
23.28.26 #       <Eodun> Already have the TTS SDK
23.28.48 #       <Eodun> but I lack a microphone, right now
23.32.18 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I was looking for 2 GB MMCs today. Such beasts were presented by Pretec more than half a year ago. However, nobody offers these beasts yet :-/
23.32.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I saw that, too
23.33.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> be patient, larger memory chips are coming 
23.33.40 #       <Bagder> sleep time, night
23.33.49 #       <Quelsaruk> amiconn: i can check in japan
23.33.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> making large cards common, no special product
23.34.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> night Bagder
23.34.14 #       <jyp> ny'
23.34.16 #       <Quelsaruk> if they exist there, i may be able to send you one at the end of this month (with luck)
23.34.32 #       <Eodun> hehe, just today a friend of mine has told me she broke her portatile's HD... 50 Gb...
23.34.43 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Loads of warnings....
23.34.56 #       <Eodun> she says she's gonna give it away to me!
23.35.10 #       <Quelsaruk> Eodun: that's great
23.37.01 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
23.37.17 #       * [IDC]Dragon says goodnight
23.37.23 Quit    [IDC]Dragon ()
23.39.23 #       <HCl> Bagder: works now, i guess it needed to re-run configure..
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23.54.50 #       * HCl is gonna get annoyed at gcc if it won't work after this..