--- Log for 04.02.105 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 hours and 11 minutes ago 00.00.18 # wow - the screen is big enough to see a whole album :) 00.01.21 # you don't have an iriver? or? 00.02.51 # yeah, but the defult firmware makes a point of wasting most of the screen space 00.02.56 # true 00.08.11 # * [IDC]Dragon still can't reproduce the Ravenheart problem 00.08.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> (I just felt like listening to that song *again*) 00.11.12 # Hmm. I'll check whether ata_read_sector() errors out. That would suggest a problem with the card 00.11.47 # (either the card itself, or some odd timing the mmc driver doesn't handle correctly) 00.12.19 # Too bad gdb is unusable for Ondio 00.12.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, would have needed that, too 00.13.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> e.g. I plastered everything with panic() in search of my dir handle leak 00.15.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> looking into late mounting (later than USB), but this is not so easy 00.16.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> because the USB screen is not called by init() 00.16.18 # I already looked into it too. 00.16.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> this happens with the normal event 00.16.25 # There is a race problem. 00.16.59 # Either it happens with the normal event, or within ask_resume() 00.17.25 # See also this patch: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1110332&group_id=44306&atid=439120 00.17.54 # This also mentions a related bug 00.18.08 # I commented on it 00.18.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> brr, there's another USB check in ask_resume()? look nasty, do we need that? 00.18.54 # Read my comment why this is there 00.19.02 # Zagor added this about a year ago 00.21.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> to me this sounds like we really should do early USB checking + screen 00.21.53 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.22.09 # What's the exact purpose of rolo.c ? 00.22.34 # jyp: rolo is Rockbox Loader. 00.22.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> jyp: to load a firmware from disk 00.22.57 # jukeboxes check for firmware on disk at boot 00.23.16 # With rolo, we can load such a firmware any time 00.23.20 # alright, so this has no equivalent on gminis 00.23.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> it may, if you can "play" a firmware file 00.23.40 # I think so, yes 00.23.44 # since the there's no ram for executable code 00.23.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> or rather, want to, in future 00.24.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh, ok 00.24.15 # Really? The architecture doesn't allow running code from ram? 00.24.28 # (actually there's 32k of fast ram internal to the processor) 00.25.05 # But there must be other ram too, for buffering mp3 etc. 00.25.28 # there are 2 distinct addressing spaces for code & data 00.25.49 # Ah, harvard architecture like dsps. The MAS also has this... 00.26.02 # Bye-bye plugins... :( 00.26.19 # maybe we could load them in the 32k space 00.26.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> or, small, fast plugins 00.29.20 # Some of it will be used already though 00.30.35 Join CD [0] (~a024514b@labb.contactor.se) 00.31.02 Part CD 00.31.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> Oh, we missed the chance to say happy birthday, LinusN 00.32.34 Join CMB [0] (BMC@fotzibaer.roamr.utk.edu) 00.32.34 Join Christi-S [0] (~Christi@213.78.124.188) 00.32.34 Quit CMB (Client Quit) 00.32.34 # I have a weird build error I don't understand. 00.32.34 # Build LDS file for Rombox 00.32.34 # LD rombox.elf 00.32.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> forget it, I'm misreading the profile 00.33.16 # On the SH1 boxes, plugin space is by coincidence set to 32 KB... 00.33.16 # ...but rockbox uses some CPU-internal ram to speed up things 00.33.16 # (Only 4 K on SH1) 00.33.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 00.33.16 # :( 00.33.16 # [IDC]Dragon: Hmm, I can' 00.33.16 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.33.16 # t splash() with grayscale running 00.33.42 Join hile_ [0] (hile@hack.fi) 00.33.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> true 00.34.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> I thoughtyour test plugin would read the file 00.34.14 # Argh - cut and paste not working 00.34.14 # oh, starts with a / 00.34.14 # silly me 00.34.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK Christi-S 00.34.14 # * /home/christi/work/rockbox-devel/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.0.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (/u/christi/work/rockbox-devel/rockbox/jbfm-build/rombox.elf section .rodata) 00.34.45 # This could possibly be because I don't have the Rombox toolchain, assuming it's still not in the main repository. 00.34.53 Quit jyp (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.34.53 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.34.53 Quit DMJC (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.35.22 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 58 seconds at the last flood 00.35.22 Ctcp Ping on #rockbox from Christi-S!~Christi@213.78.124.188 00.35.25 Quit hile (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.35.58 # Indeed - ata_read_sectors() errors out 00.36.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> now we're getting somewhere 00.37.31 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.37.31 NJoin jyp [0] (~jp@121.200-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) 00.40.18 # Christi-S: rombox is in the main repository. This error simply occurs because rombox doesn't fit for the fmr, ignore it. 00.40.18 # [IDC]Dragon: I did test now with my test plugin, and got 2 ata_read_sector() errors (rc == -10) 00.40.25 # OK. Thanks. 00.40.52 # Now I only have to check what -10 means... 00.40.52 # I checked multiple times, it occurs at 2 constant positions. 00.41.47 # good night to all! 00.42.00 Quit Quel|wc3 ("KVIrc 3.0.1.99 'Realia'") 00.43.17 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.46.40 # [IDC]Dragon: Did you check what the archos fw does when you start with USB connected & MMC inserted? Weird things happen... 00.46.48 Join Eodun [0] (~Eodun@80.28.66.43) 00.46.57 # Btw, -10 means send_cmd() failed 00.49.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.50.41 # good night 00.50.57 Quit jyp ("poof!") 00.52.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: no, I haven't checked Archos 00.53.40 # Archos also prompts for MMC removal. After that it enables/disables/enables/disables...... USB 00.55.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> stable here 00.55.39 Quit preglow ("keke") 00.55.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> very similar to rockbox 00.56.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> it prompts for removal, I see the internal 00.56.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I can plug, see the external 00.56.44 # Hmm, strange. I got the described effect. 00.57.23 # different fw versions? 00.58.11 # Maybe. 00.58.54 # (early usb check) I just noticed that this would only help if rockbox is flashed. 00.59.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> true 00.59.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> or, no 00.59.46 # Ah, not necessarily. The internal gets mounted by the archos rom fw, then loads rockbox from there. 00.59.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> Archos always boots from the internal 00.59.58 # The external is not yet initialized at this point. 01.00.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> but it may have touched the external 01.00.27 # So if rockbox then checks usb first, it would still work as intended. 01.00.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> if untouched, yes 01.00.53 # I have a really strange effect now: 01.01.10 # I added 2 splash() calls within ata_read_sectors() 01.01.40 # Instead of showing the intended numbers, I get some garbled characters 01.02.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> some stack mess? 01.02.47 # Maybe. However, I wonder why this wouldn't hit more often then... 01.02.58 Quit Eodun () 01.03.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> or you goofed with the printf arguments 01.03.34 # argl - true. Thanks. 01.03.44 # I forgot the "true" for the frame 01.03.47 # :( 01.03.49 # Do the contents of english.lang get compiled into a rockbox build? 01.03.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> I recommend panic() 01.04.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> Christi-S: yes 01.04.07 # Christi-S: yes 01.04.11 # :) 01.04.12 # Thought so. 01.04.18 # * [IDC]Dragon needs to sleep 01.04.32 # yes you do. good night 01.04.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: good luck, feel free to tell logbot on how you do 01.04.42 # My patch has stopped working in a weird way. The menu item I've added just doesn't show up in the recording settings menu. 01.04.49 # Nite [IDC]Dragon 01.04.50 # My brain hurts. 01.04.54 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 01.08.22 # Argh. I think I'll come at this fresh in the morning. 01.11.24 # Hmm. The card signals parameter error !??!??! 01.11.59 # way behind the times - does rockbox have an id3 browser now? 01.12.16 # yup 01.18.13 # Night all 01.18.40 # night Christi-S 01.18.50 Quit Christi-S ("If I were actually witty, this quitline would be funny.") 01.27.56 # I don't believe this - obviously the partition is larger than the card itself (!!!) 01.37.06 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 01.37.10 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.38.34 Quit _aLF (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.56.10 Quit Patr3ck (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 01.56.29 # O.o 01.56.44 # * HCl gets curious to what kind of horrible gui hydrairc must have 01.57.28 # meh, looks like an advanced version of mirc.. 01.57.34 # haha 01.57.50 # * HCl still prefers putty+screen+irssi :P 01.59.10 # It's very scary. did I mention that their "Open source" license is pretty much like Microsoft's as well. 02.00.39 # yea :P 02.04.14 Quit Ka (Connection timed out) 02.06.16 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 02.07.23 Quit midk_ ("Leaving") 02.16.36 Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.23.37 # * HCl sleep 02.40.54 # * amiconn says goodnight 02.41.05 Part amiconn 02.45.43 Quit ashridah (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.45.43 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.48.19 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.48.19 NJoin ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-198.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.49.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.50.57 Join Bluechip [0] (~BlueChip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) 02.52.15 Part Bluechip 02.52.46 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 02.53.06 Quit ashridah (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.53.06 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.54.17 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.54.17 NJoin ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-198.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.57.57 Join ashridah_ [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-198.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.58.34 Quit ashridah (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.10.35 Quit mecraw_ () 03.40.40 Quit Ka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.43.49 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010732484pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 04.07.30 Join edx [0] (edx@p54879E40.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.14.40 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.29.08 Join meswhitesox3 [0] (~452f8541@labb.contactor.se) 04.29.41 Quit meswhitesox3 (Client Quit) 04.29.45 Join webguest95 [0] (~452f8541@labb.contactor.se) 04.30.48 Quit webguest95 (Client Quit) 04.35.27 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.37.53 Quit XShocK (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 04.39.55 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.44.20 Join elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.44.55 Quit elinenbe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.49.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.50.26 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.52.07 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.52.07 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.55.27 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 04.55.41 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.55.55 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 05.08.51 Join elinenbe_ [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 05.12.15 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.13.43 Join elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 05.24.03 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.27.57 Quit elinenbe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.37.18 Nick ashridah_ is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-120-198.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.01.56 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 06.10.26 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.43.24 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 06.49.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.55.33 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 08.00.23 Quit midk (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.00.24 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 08.04.06 Quit MooMaunder (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.05.03 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 08.17.32 Quit rasher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.38 Join rasher_ [0] (~rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 08.35.11 Quit rasher (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.36.25 Quit ripnetUK (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.41.56 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.49.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.55.11 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.26.10 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.28.28 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 09.28.28 DBUG Enqueued KICK Lynx_ 09.28.50 # morning guys 09.29.25 # morning 09.31.31 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 184517572 Feb 4 09:31 battery_test.rock 09.31.40 # something tells me this isn't right 09.31.54 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.31.54 # * Bagder builds plugins for iriver 09.32.17 # :-D 09.32.29 # 184MB is a big plugin 09.32.31 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9FF89EA.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.32.35 # must be the -funroll-loops flag ;) 09.32.58 # yikes 09.33.10 # looks like a linker mistake, rather. 09.33.14 # yeah 09.36.01 # but I can't spot it 09.37.04 # it builds and links error-free otherwise 09.38.35 # a bunch of more commits for that 09.40.55 # btw 09.41.07 # we should make a CONFIG_USB config 09.41.20 # the many USB_* is not as nice 09.43.04 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) 10.10.56 # yawn 10.16.22 # how goes the coding? 10.16.34 # porting plugins 10.16.57 # can't wait to see bounce on my 140 ;-P 10.19.26 # porting plugins is mostly about mapping up the keys 10.19.29 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.21.49 # ogg/mp3 :D 10.21.55 # then I'll flash 10.21.57 # ? 10.22.00 # well 10.22.13 # it'll take time 10.23.02 # What's the harm in flashing earlier? 10.23.16 # As long as it's deemed safe enough to not brick the unit 10.23.36 # it'll start rockbox by default, so if you're not interested in rockbox it'll be a slight annoyance I guess 10.24.14 # true 10.26.00 # I don't mind having it on there as long as it can do *something* 10.26.05 # even if it's not much 10.26.11 # but a flashing screen is kind of lame 10.26.22 # I disagree 10.26.35 # when you can make it flash like that, you can call it lame 10.26.42 # until then, I think not 10.27.09 # Well if you're not going to do development, there's not much value in having it there 10.27.42 # no, it'll be a while before it'll be useful to non-devs 10.28.52 # Can't even do any testing with a flashing screen :) 10.28.57 # nah 10.29.02 # it isn't that useful 10.29.14 # I hope we'll start up in the dir browser soonish 10.29.40 # how safe is the flashing process atm? 10.29.49 # it isn't tested that much yet 10.30.04 # flashing wouldn't be dangerous. booting it afterwards would be ;) 10.30.22 # Heh, right 10.30.31 # Linus is setting up some tools in order to be able to save "bricked" players after failed flashes 10.31.53 # bricked? 10.32.03 # as in turned into a brick 10.32.07 # == dead 10.32.23 # heh. 10.32.59 Join Patr3ck [0] (~Patr3ck@pD9ECF440.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.37.45 Join MooMaunder [0] (~me@194.152.87.150) 10.48.07 # pong is gonna be tricky on the iriver ;-) 10.49.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.56.07 Join amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7F4F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.56.19 # hi 10.56.43 # Bagder: why's that? 10.56.53 # because it is two-player 10.56.55 # oh 10.57.02 # I can see how that'd be a problem :) 10.57.14 # it is actually rather hard on the archos as well 10.57.34 # other games should be good though, with a real joystick 10.57.35 # and I doubt anyone ever played that game seriously ;-) 10.57.36 # however since all irivers have the remote, that can be used for one player 10.57.42 # true! 10.57.49 # forgot abou that 10.57.53 # he gets his own screen too! :-) 10.57.56 # haha 10.57.59 # haha 10.58.07 # dual-screen pong! 10.58.10 # Bagder: Why do you declare metronome mas-only? Imho this should be possible on all players... 10.58.18 # yes, but it isn't 10.58.21 # since it uses mas stuff 10.58.23 # amiconn: yes, but not yet 10.59.32 # hm 10.59.43 # well it failed on something, I'll check again 11.00.48 # right, it wasn't a mas-dependency 11.00.50 # Bagder: "are we there yet"? :) 11.01.09 # where? 11.01.14 # pong? 11.01.29 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 11.02.59 # amiconn: fixed now 11.04.10 # i hope the 184 meg tests the battery REAL well ;) 11.04.20 # haha 11.04.35 # Bagder: just wondering if the stubs and glue seems to come together :) 11.04.53 # dwihno: they do, rockbox builds now for iriver 11.05.01 # I just have the plugins left 11.05.12 # and we need some init code sorted out 11.05.14 # yay! 11.05.17 # then we'll fly 11.05.18 # nice work 11.05.23 # yeah, really nice done Bagder! 11.05.32 # what isn't init:Ed? 11.05.48 # linus has some local fixes and changes done 11.06.06 # everything needed? 11.06.31 # I think so, possibly he'll have some work to sort out CVS conflicts with my commits 11.07.00 # aah, really, really cool! 11.07.11 # are there many plugin issues to sort out? 11.07.21 # not really 11.07.29 # they are mainly to map the keys 11.07.46 # more boring than hard 11.08.25 # Thanks to my changes when I added Ondio support :) 11.08.46 # The only plugin I didn't manage to adapt is wormlet. 11.08.52 # yes, you did a lot of work then 11.09.13 # Wormlet has very weird button handling scattered all over the place 11.11.22 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 11.11.45 # solitaire is a beast too 11.18.53 # Solitaire shouldn't be hard if you have enough buttons 11.19.05 # they're just many 11.19.08 # to define 11.20.12 Join Cassandra [0] (~christi@213.78.117.64) 11.20.36 # Hello. 11.20.48 # morning 11.20.51 # * rasher_ blinks 11.20.56 # or whatever time it is ;-) 11.21.18 # I think the rockbox build system has it in for me today. 11.21.26 # sound_menu.c:379: `LANG_RECORD_STARTUP' undeclared (first use in this function) 11.21.43 # It's defined in english.lang, where one would expect it to be. 11.22.34 # I suspect a simple typo 11.23.02 # I'd suspect that too. But grep tells me otherwise. 11.23.45 # [christi@slappy apps]$ rgrep LANG_RECORD_STARTUP * 11.23.45 # lang/english.lang:id: LANG_RECORD_STARTUP 11.23.45 # sound_menu.c: return set_bool(str(LANG_RECORD_STARTUP), 11.23.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK Cassandra 11.23.45 # sound_menu.c: items[i].desc = ID2P(LANG_RECORD_STARTUP); 11.23.45 # [christi@slappy apps]$ 11.24.41 # Oh, hold on. 11.24.46 # new: missing 11.25.06 # That's it. 11.25.22 # If new: is missing altogether, the entry doesn't get processed 11.26.02 # See all I had to do was humiliate myself in public and then the answer was obvious. 11.26.41 # Hmmm. This is not good though. The V2 build with the new option is too big for ROMbox. 11.27.13 # it is bound to happen 11.27.25 # imho, we should make a separate build option for rombox 11.27.35 # as then we can disable features easier for it 11.30.22 # Should I still go ahead and commit this once I've made sure it's still working then? 11.30.39 # yes 11.30.55 # imo 11.32.31 # Imho we could throw out some debug menu items, or does anyone use things like mas register read etc? 11.32.59 # I don't know, I guess not 11.34.45 # would that really save a lot of space tho? 11.35.01 # it would only be a temporary win 11.35.16 # In fact, I would suggest to remove the debug menu for release versions altogether, after moving some useful functionality elsewhere 11.35.43 # The debug menu is fairly large 11.35.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.35.46 # * amiconn checks 11.35.52 # no ! i like the debug menus :) the are cool to look at (for me). I guess i could always buidl the debug version 11.36.13 # I find the battery voltage graph useful sometimes. 11.36.19 # do plugins get compiled in the sim? 11.36.29 # ripnetuk: yes 11.36.47 # cool 11.37.22 # (debug menu) (1) I talked about removing it in *release* versions, i.e. not in dailies. (2) I said "after moving some useful functionality elsewhere" 11.37.29 # is your plugin stuff back in cvs? 11.37.46 # not yet 11.37.56 # ok... i wont test it in the sim then :) 11.38.17 # the plugin linking is still bad too 11.38.26 # cvs commit: Using deprecated info format strings. Convert your scripts to use 11.38.26 # the new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings. 11.38.26 # What on earth does that mean? 11.38.34 # * [IDC]Dragon wants "bootbox", a miniature rockbox instead of the Archos ucl 11.38.45 # Cassandra: we all get that, ignore it. its a server-side config issue 11.38.48 # Hi Jörg 11.38.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> but has no time :-( 11.38.57 # I didn't see you slip in again 11.39.06 # OK - thought so, but I thought I'd better check. 11.39.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hi there 11.40.12 # I presume an automatic build will happen soon now I've committed. 11.40.16 # The strange file issue is solved - it turned out that the partition was defined larger than the card's physical capacity (!) 11.41.11 # Cassandra: it runs every 20 mins if a change has happened 11.41.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> my card has a larger capacity 11.41.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> so it wasn't a problem there 11.41.40 # Right. 11.41.48 # Now rockbox panics in such cases, so it's easier to nail down if someone else experiences this in the future 11.42.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> panic turn off the interrupt, so we see it even in video playback, right? 11.43.17 # I think so, yes 11.44.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> the downside is that we still don't have a reroduceable file system bug 11.44.24 # Btw, the audio underrun you got is also understandable. 11.44.49 Join netukrip [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 11.45.17 # I must have a look at the new ID3 browser at some point. I think virtual directory entries provide a way around another thorny problem I was considering. 11.45.43 # I was thinking about adding a directory selection dialogue to the virtual keyboard when you're entering a filename. 11.45.53 # You need to have some way to select the root, of course. 11.47.23 # It's actually fairly easy to adapt the interface after that. Of course, you have to disable the ability to manually enter directories otherwise parsing becomes a nightmare. 11.47.43 # Do people feel that the ability to select a directory to save your config file in would be worth having? 11.48.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, they should be in .rockbox, where the "browse configs" takes you 11.48.57 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 11.49.39 # * [IDC]Dragon dislikes HydraIRC for bold advertising 11.49.41 # * amiconn keeps the "environment-switch" configs in the root - much more convenient 11.49.48 # The problem with that is that browse configs is so deep in the menu structure it's much more convenient to just have them in the root and use "Show Supported". 11.50.03 # [IDC]Dragon: Yeah, that's the only drawback of HydraIRC 11.50.05 # one red 11.50.29 # That's why I either use /part, or /quit 11.50.59 # only 100,000 downloads? that's really not that much 11.51.30 # Ah - presumably that's because the recording structure isn't there for HP100 yet. 11.51.56 # the rec_menu depends on a specific mas instead of have_recording 11.52.18 # * rasher_ hugs irssi 11.52.25 # [11:52] Ignoring QUITS from * [-pattern hydrairc] 11.52.27 # :) 11.53.08 # Makes sense. Would the best way to fix it be to define a dummy rec_menu for H100? 11.53.15 # checking 11.54.48 # heh, changing the check to HAVE_RECORDING affects a lot of related stuff 11.55.20 # leave that to me, I'll sort it out with my other iriver work 11.55.29 # Thanks. 11.56.48 # * rasher_ sends happy thoughts to Bagder 11.57.59 # commit 12.01.31 # The other advantage of directory browsing is that it allows us to implement "move" on the Jukebox. 12.03.03 # Not sure how much of an advantage that is, really. 12.06.28 Join Quelsaruk [0] (~kvirc@80.103.128.128) 12.07.03 # morning... or afternoon... as you wish 12.07.04 # :) 12.08.31 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 12.08.36 # See people later 12.09.30 Quit Cassandra ("Client Exiting") 12.11.20 # blah, I broke some other builds instead :-/ 12.11.59 Quit MooMaunder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.12.10 Join lImbus [0] (lImbus@174-63.244.81.adsl.skynet.be) 12.12.14 # Hi all 12.12.20 # Zagor, are you reading ? 12.12.47 # I noticed something strange, even with daily build, and I assume it's somewhere in the code you touched lately 12.13.33 # If I try to On-Play on a directory, then Playlist->Insert, I'm getting a "Error accessing directory". 12.13.53 # After that, "Show Files" is set to "All" instead of "Supported" as before. 12.14.06 # what is chess clock? 12.14.36 # ripnetuk it's a clock for chess-gaming, but only on players, IIRC 12.14.45 # gotcha 12.14.45 # no, it is for recorders too 12.15.03 # or rather bitmap displays 12.15.12 # :-) 12.17.10 # I thought it was only for players because the file was 0 bytes long for a while :-) 12.17.31 # the .rock was empty on my recorder-build, precisely 12.17.46 # yes, it started as player-only 12.18.50 # that must have been before introduction of the SOURCES file even. otherwise I wouldn't even have seen the file 12.19.07 # btw, Bagder, can you reproduce my problem ? 12.19.29 # I don't have my archos near atm 12.20.26 # kk, with the build I had installed before (a daily build from about the weekend) I was even able to get more strange side-effects afterwards. I had a broken browser a few times, a "can't find playlist.control-file" and even a panic... 12.27.20 # |Imbus: I can reproduce the error on my recorder 12.28.03 # nice, thanks, Lynx_ 12.28.52 # after that there a lot seem screwed... 12.29.09 # :-) 12.31.15 # after the error i am in the directory i tried to insert into the playlist, and can't leave it (like the resume error that was fixed). If i try to play a file it takes extremely long to load it. (like 6 seconds) 12.31.43 # yes, I had that until I applied the daily build 12.31.50 # (todays daily build) 12.32.04 # ah, i have yesterdays i think. 12.32.12 # i will update and try again 12.32.13 # I deleted the playlist control file a few times in the meantime, so this may be a problem too. 12.33.00 # lImbus: i'll look at it 12.35.09 # nice, thanks 12.35.14 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 838831868 Feb 4 12:33 bounce.rock* 12.35.23 # now at 800 MB :-/ 12.35.40 # rofl 12.35.46 # hehe. 12.36.00 # way too much for the plugin-framework, isn't it ? 12.36.05 # hehe 12.36.12 # where is the playlist control file? 12.36.22 # Lynx_: .\rockbox 12.36.45 # .playlist_control is the very correct file name 12.39.07 Quit Patr3ck (" WOW! This IRC Client ownz! HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 12.39.29 # patreck? 12.39.35 # todays build does not change anything for me...actually when trying to inster a folder, there is two error messages, but i can't read the first one because it gets covered by the 'error accessing directory' on too fast 12.39.51 # insert 12.40.21 # i'll check also to see if i get the same issue :) 12.44.14 # does the configure script allow you to pass command line parameters instead of manually entering the options (like target etc?) 12.44.34 # ripnetuk: no 12.44.53 # but passing them to stdin works 12.44.59 # the options 12.45.22 # lImbus: i don't get the error 12.45.36 # i tried that ages ago. I seem to eremember that echo options | configure failed, but doing configure < inputfile worked. How do you do it? 12.46.10 # yo are playing a file-->browser-->ON+PLAY-->playlist-->insert is this what you did? 12.46.51 # ripnetuk: echo "blablabla" | configure 12.47.01 # how do you get the linefeeds in? 12.47.06 # the cvs builds do it that way 12.47.14 # we do echo -e 12.47.38 # echo -e "x\n" 12.47.47 # gotcha :) thanks 12.48.16 # works :) 12.49.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.01 # Quelsaruk, no inserting files works for me too, I want to insert folders, errm directories 12.50.44 # Lynx_, the message unterlying is most probably the message that usually says "inserting 10 files to playlist" 12.51.12 # lmao.. dualscreen pong.. xD 12.51.18 # morning 12.51.40 # |Imbus: right, but actually i checked and it sais inserting 0 files...but there are some in the dir 12.52.24 # folders.. checking 12.52.47 # getting the same error 12.53.15 # queue makes the same error 12.54.30 # strange 12.57.03 Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9ECF440.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.57.08 # must go 12.57.10 # cu! 12.57.15 Nick Quelsaruk is now known as quel|away (~kvirc@80.103.128.128) 13.01.14 # Lynx_, lImbus, quel|away: This looks like a problem introduced with id3 browsing. 13.02.51 # maybe 13.02.54 # :) 13.02.54 # must go 13.03.14 # bye 13.05.52 # amiconn: that's why it also affects the files shown i guess? (after the error occurs, "show files" is set to "all") 13.07.40 # yes, I thought as well it had to do with id3-browsing, this is why I pointed on Zagor :-) 13.07.55 # where the id3-browsing still not works for me, btw. 13.08.17 # but thats another story. gotta go now 13.08.39 # bye 13.08.57 # cool i now have a script that books out the current cvs and builds it for me... all set for the rapid-dev phase that i can smell is coming up :) 13.09.35 # ripnetuk ??? something else than cvs up -Pd && cd build-dir/ && make ? 13.09.57 # not much else... it had to build the tools dir, and run configure, ut thats basically it 13.10.19 # and I dont trust cvs to update, so I get a fresh copy each time 13.10.32 # :) 13.10.35 # maybe cvs is better than i thought? 13.10.40 # it is 13.10.45 # it definitely is 13.10.57 # ripnetuk: uh. why don't you trust cvs to update? it's not like rockbox is using sourceforge :) 13.11.02 Join Patr3ck_ [0] (~patr3ck@p548CB7E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.11.02 # heh 13.11.03 # e 13.11.24 # dunno really, maybe im used to win32 dev tools :) 13.11.32 # gotta run now, bbl 13.11.35 Quit lImbus (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") 13.12.35 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.14.20 Join jyp [0] (~jp@200-99.241.81.adsl.skynet.be) 13.18.10 Quit Patr3ck (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.29.06 # I need some helpful eyes on the plugin.lds file to point out my mistake(s) 13.30.14 # od -x pong.rock 13.30.22 # 0000000 6972 6867 0074 656c 7466 2500 2073 6373 13.30.22 # 0000020 726f 7365 0021 6425 2d20 2520 0064 0000 13.30.25 # 0000040 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 13.30.26 # * 13.30.30 # 6177700000 ef4f ccff d748 040c 6f24 3800 0174 3c20 13.30.33 # quite a gap 13.32.04 # no clues from the map file? 13.32.35 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.33.42 # * LinusN bricked his 120 last night :-) 13.33.51 # whee :) 13.34.01 # lycky me that has a bdm 13.34.05 # lucky 13.34.08 # :-) 13.34.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> no minimon yet? 13.34.30 # i'll ditch the minimon 13.34.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> why? 13.34.52 # because you can use the original firmware to reflash 13.35.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> if it starts, yes 13.35.24 # yes 13.35.31 # is it really more likely that minimon starts than the original firmware? 13.37.17 # ditch minimon, go for digimon! :) 13.37.30 # to brick or not to brick, that is the question 13.41.09 # Bagder: fixed the plugin.lds file for you 13.41.14 # great 13.41.22 # I committed my plugin changes now 13.41.42 # how did you brick your box? 13.41.47 # but plugins aren't enabled in the config file yes 13.41.49 # yet 13.41.51 # no 13.41.55 # that's the only thing left 13.41.59 # ripnetuk: a bug n the boot loader 13.42.11 # LinusN: I changed my makefile locally while testing this out 13.42.12 # when i developed the cookie safety fix 13.42.18 # Bagder: me too 13.42.41 # in fact, i bricked it like 5 times :-) 13.42.42 # so the one in cvs was never broken :) it will be interesting to see if i could have got away with a maverick flasking :) 13.43.21 # scary stuff! did you establish that the ram survives a reset? 13.43.28 # seems o, yes 13.43.34 # so 13.43.41 # damn keyboard 13.43.45 # good 13.44.06 # hopefully, i will have a new version out this weekend 13.44.15 # did you test a deliberate hang, followed by reset then? 13.44.20 # yup 13.44.24 # worked fine 13.44.25 # nice 13.44.33 # * ripnetuk is getting excited 13.44.49 # i love the way you can see an entire album on screen at once (in sim) 13.44.51 # :35:23: warning: extra tokens at end of #ifndef directive 13.45.10 # ah, yes 13.45.16 # couldn't find that sucker 13.45.19 # linus; ? 13.45.19 # can you? 13.45.29 # searching... 13.48.01 # Bagder: Wow, huge commit 13.48.26 # pretty big, yes 13.50.11 # apps/plugins/SOURCES:35:#ifndef CONFIG_KEYPAD != IRIVER_H100_PAD 13.50.17 # bad syntax 13.50.17 # aha 13.50.41 # thanks 13.50.58 # Bagder: Your calculator button assignments look odd to me. 13.51.06 # lots of them are odd 13.51.22 # I've never even used the calculator 13.51.22 # desrt: yup 13.51.38 # I've mainly made them compile, not made sensible keymaps 13.52.02 # we'll sort out the keymap when we start testing them 13.52.29 # and now I've enabled the plugins in the default build 13.52.44 # rock'n'roll 13.52.52 # LinusN; do you know enough to help me convert a BSDL file into a freewince jtag hardware description file? 13.53.34 Join Digital007 [0] (~acd61387@labb.contactor.se) 13.53.38 # hi 13.53.41 # i might, if i knew what BSDL and freewince was 13.53.48 # oh. well 13.53.56 # do you know PaulS's email address, then? :) 13.54.05 Quit hile_ (Nick collision from services.) 13.54.13 Join hile__ [0] (hile@hack.fi) 13.54.26 # desrt: hmmm, no... 13.54.27 # pretty impressed withe progress on iriver 'box 13.54.38 # Digital007: things are moving 13.54.43 # openwince is the project that makes the opensource 'jtag' tool 13.54.47 # aaah 13.55.00 # Bagder: Maybe I'll look into the plugin button mapping for iRiver, via the sim 13.55.00 # the one paul was usign to jgat his bricked box? 13.55.05 # BSDL is the standard hardware-description file format for jtag-able devices 13.55.06 # jtag 13.55.12 # probably. 13.55.17 # amiconn: yes, that should be possible 13.55.19 # yea i saw 13.55.25 # i saw the plugins adapted for iriver 13.55.49 # i just wonder how will the interface will be controlled due to the iRiver's different control layout compared to the Archos 13.55.51 # sadly enough, we'll probably have the games working before the sound :-) 13.56.08 # lol 13.56.17 # well, the games are easier than the sound 13.56.29 # sound as in MP3 playback or sound effects? 13.56.43 # as in mp3 13.56.44 # both 13.56.49 # :-) 13.56.51 # there seem to be a few new plugins since i sold my archos 13.56.53 # LinusN: I'd like to know if I understood your button assignment correctly. 13.57.14 # "select" is pushing the joystick 13.57.27 # Would Rockbox fix this issue? on iriver f/w as you increase the volume bass power decreases 13.57.27 # "mode" is the A/B button 13.57.47 # A/B! The most useful feature! Hooray for iRiver design team \o 13.57.49 # \o/ 13.57.54 # Digital007: it is a necessity to avoid distortion 13.58.03 # document the buttons in wiki:ButtonAssignments 13.58.37 # have to run the corridors for a while, brb 13.59.15 # ok 14.00.07 # have you got a sample version of rockbox working on iriver now? 14.01.15 # digital - it compiles now, and the plugins aparently compile. Bootloader is still not safe 14.01.21 # ok 14.01.26 # looking good though 14.01.27 # also, no sound 14.01.30 # looking very good 14.01.33 # i really want the playlist feature from the archos 14.01.48 # Is there a "virtual keyboard" for naming playlists/renaming files? 14.01.57 # yes 14.02.01 # cool 14.03.07 # Bagder: iRiver sim build now errors out on solitaire :( 14.03.23 # This is because the sim build system still doesn't use SOURCES... 14.03.36 # crap 14.05.19 # * dwihno wants a rockbox port for his ifp-799 14.05.21 # ;) 14.05.29 # dwihno: what's stopping you? ;) 14.06.38 # Zagor: Well, I know jack about hardware :) 14.06.48 # "dwihno: patches plz, k thx" 14.07.32 # where should .rocks go these days? directly in .rockbox, or in a subdir? 14.07.54 # So let's make a deal - I fix the settings and a GUI, and you fix me the port :) 14.07.58 # ripnetuk: subdir 14.07.59 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 14.08.00 # one of 2 subdirs 14.08.24 # Regular ones go into /.rockbox/rocks, viewers to /.rockbox/viewers 14.08.33 # thanks... sorry i should have rtfm 14.09.07 # ripnetuk: you normally do 'make zip' and then unpack that zip to your player 14.09.19 # nice 14.12.08 Quit Digital007 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.20.21 Quit jyp ("poof!") 14.21.39 # are we aware of 'cannot find entry point' on some plugins on iriver sim? (like the mandelbrot)? 14.22.30 # hm 14.22.37 # That's normal 14.22.43 # mandelbrot doesn't work on the iriver 14.22.49 # i see 14.23.00 # just thought you would want to know if it was a prob 14.23.10 # Plugins are all compiled for the sim, because simulator builds don't use SOURCES yet 14.23.35 # Plugins that actually aren't suited for the target are empty, hence this message 14.23.45 # i know little about makefiles... Delphi on which i usually dev handles all that for you with a project... is SOURCES just a list of .c files that want compiling from that dir? 14.24.30 # ripnetuk: basically, yes, but the list is preprocessed so parts can be conditional on target features 14.24.51 # i see... im not sure if i love of hate the 'hit the metal' attitude of c 14.24.55 # or hate 14.25.02 # hehe 14.25.15 # we should make rockbox in java instead ;-) 14.26.43 # LinusN: Around again? 14.26.51 # hehe 14.27.03 # amiconn: for now, yes 14.27.06 # then it could run on EVERTTHING except mp3 players 14.27.35 # :-] 14.28.56 # * LinusN wanders off 14.29.03 # LinusN: What are BUTTON_ON & BUTTON_OFF on iriver? 14.29.25 # I can only see a play and a stop button in addition to the ones you already mentioned 14.29.31 # on is play 14.29.35 # off is stop 14.29.48 # Ah ok, so I got this right for the sim :) 14.49.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.53.56 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.54.31 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-78-188.dynamic.qsc.de) 15.02.51 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! 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Every unit I have seen has uart_booted OK, even if the behavior after that has been uncertain :) 15.22.07 Quit Trevmar () 15.24.17 Join jipi [0] (~jipi@cm65.gamma184.maxonline.com.sg) 15.24.57 # * Bagder sighs 15.27.37 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.68) 15.28.21 # (sigh?) 15.29.01 # * Bagder helps these people with their java build crap 15.29.10 # in one word: ant 15.29.39 # it makes me tired 15.30.34 # hehe 15.37.06 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) 15.54.47 Quit R3nTiL () 15.59.09 Quit rasher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.01.03 Join jyp [0] (~jp@200-99.241.81.adsl.skynet.be) 16.01.43 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7F4F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.02.44 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 16.02.53 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 16.03.00 # helo 16.03.05 # hi 16.03.09 # iriver progress = :-) 16.03.45 # yeps 16.03.50 # step by step 16.07.26 # Bag 16.07.56 Join El_Barto2 [0] (firecreepe@www.e-spirit.de) 16.07.58 # hi 16.08.05 # hi 16.08.10 # Bagder, I think the code is ready to make librockbox to compile for gmini 16.08.21 # heard something about linux on an archos player 16.08.26 # is it correct? 16.08.31 # why'd you want that? 16.08.45 # or possible? 16.08.48 # jyp: cool 16.09.06 # I just committed a fix to remove the errors in rolo and serial for gmini 16.09.16 # El_Barto2: the av480 runs linux 16.09.36 # Bagder: cool, that's just what I wnated to ask you ;) 16.09.39 # and the 300 series? 16.09.39 # El_Barto2: linav.free.fr 16.09.39 # sorry, it's called the pma400 16.10.04 # jyp: I read your mind ;-) 16.10.15 Quit amiconn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.10.15 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7F4F7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.11.03 # on the picture i see linux on a av320! 16.11.12 # so i think its possible ;) 16.12.47 # jyp: the hwcompa.c problem looks like a compiler problem to me 16.12.53 # hwcompat.c 16.14.00 Quit jyp (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.14.00 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.19.16 Quit DMJC-L (Remote closed the connection) 16.21.49 # I guess Christi's first cvs commit didn't get the attention it deserves 16.24.27 # could some tell me a bit about linav or the av320? ...if he is interested ;) 16.25.10 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.25.10 NJoin jyp [0] (~jp@200-99.241.81.adsl.skynet.be) 16.25.10 # El_Barto2: you're on the wrong channel for that 16.25.10 # El_Barto2: we are not linav, that's a separate project 16.25.19 # * Zagor cheers christi's first commit. hooray hooray! 16.25.39 # #linav 16.26.07 # they are sleeping there ;) 16.26.29 # I'm off 16.27.52 # * jyp got split 16.38.41 Part LinusN 16.38.58 # Bagder: so, do plugins now work on the iriver -- on the target? 16.39.18 # also, has anyone else put rockbox on their iriver -- other than Linus? 16.39.23 # i think badger left... i dont think we know. They seem to work on the sim 16.39.28 # no, only Linus AFAIK 16.39.42 # they certainly compile for the target 16.49.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.57.06 Join Cassandra [0] (~christi@213.78.117.64) 16.57.06 Quit preglow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.57.26 # bye all 16.57.49 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 16.57.49 DBUG Enqueued KICK Lynx_awy 16.58.44 # anyone interested in buying my archos jukebox recorder 20? 16.59.22 # wants to buy a gmini 120 but first i have to sell my two weeks old recorder :( 17.01.13 # coming back later...if someone is interested he could tell me ;) 17.01.20 # bye 17.01.28 Quit El_Barto2 () 17.03.20 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.09.21 Part Zagor 17.09.57 # amiconn, I scanned my gmini, if you're still interested in a high quality pic 17.10.07 # http://www.donat.org/users/jyp/GminiSP.png 17.16.43 # Thats; maybe I'll remake the Win32 sim picture then. 17.17.08 # s/Thats/Thanks/ 17.17.30 # (If I get the pic to download from that "special" domain, that is) 17.17.54 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.21.11 # jyp: those two remaining build errors look like compiler problems 17.21.20 Join lImbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) 17.21.28 Join lolo-laptop [0] (~lostlogic@68.251.84.226) 17.21.32 # they are easily avoided though 17.21.52 # amiconn, I'm using coral to access it ... Just postfix .nyud.net:8090 to the hostname 17.22.03 # I just want to say that you guys rock, and I can't wait to see your iRiver H3x0 work in action. 17.22.10 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 17.22.10 # * Bagder is off again 17.22.45 # Bagder, this is not entirely a compiler error. The C code acesses memory outside addressable space. 17.23.16 # I committed a fix. 17.23.31 Join Cassandra [0] (~christi@213.78.105.44) 17.28.44 # Bagder: [OT] did you see curl is touted by a spammer? 17.28.51 # Bagder: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/31/link_spamer_interview/print.html 17.31.29 # i noticed that you guys had a hand in curl as well yesterday :) i never realised before 17.34.40 # in fact more than a hand :) kudos 17.37.54 # jyp: Back up to 13 errors and 395 warnings :( There are some internal compiler errors now... 17.38.58 Quit netukrip (Remote closed the connection) 17.39.01 # of course, it does the app directory now 17.39.11 # more work ahead ;) 17.40.22 # there seem to be only one ICE 17.40.26 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new age") 17.40.47 # so; not *much* more work ;) 17.41.06 Join MooMaunder [0] (~me@194.152.87.150) 17.42.35 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 17.48.22 Nick quel|away is now known as Quelsaruk (~kvirc@80.103.128.128) 17.48.30 # back 18.00.40 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.07.41 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.08.11 # i just put a 40gb drive in my jukebox recorder 20 but it doesn t recognize the partitioning do i have to make 20gb partitions? 18.10.05 # ¿? 18.10.18 # it should 18.10.27 Quit jipi ("Leaving") 18.10.34 # did you format it using Fat32? 18.12.14 # yes 18.12.44 # i only upgraded with a 30GB hd, but worked perfectly 18.12.47 # to be precise i did 18.12.47 # that's strange 18.12.48 # sfdisk /dev/sda -f 18.12.53 # and hit enter some times 18.12.55 # and 18.13.01 # mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda1 18.13.33 Quit Patr3ck_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 18.13.33 # mmm... 18.14.04 # dunno 18.14.06 # should work 18.14.07 # :/ 18.15.10 # does the computer still recognice the drive? 18.15.18 # sure 18.16.18 # Formatted with windows or linux ? 18.16.25 # linux 18.16.35 # using mkfs.vfat is linux... afaik 18.16.55 # I suggest trying windows (but I'm no expert in those matters) 18.17.24 # well.. 18.17.26 # just that the Gmini doesn't seems to like partitions formatted with mkfs 18.17.48 # Quelsaruk: does the jukebox care about the partition type? what type did you set? 18.18.54 # if i remember correctly, rockbox loks for the first fat32 (vfat) partition it can find in the drive 18.18.58 # *looks 18.19.59 # Bagder: are you here? 18.20.20 # ah partition type set to b and it seems to work 18.20.45 # * Quelsaruk thinks it's a good moment for LinusN to enter the channel 18.20.55 # does it work now? 18.21.40 # it s working or i m hearing phantoms ;) 18.21.46 # :) 18.21.52 # now i know something new 18.22.04 # anathema - closer :) 18.22.07 # partition type must be set to b to work 18.22.11 # :) 18.22.50 # well i tried 83 (which is a linux partition) by accident and i tried c which is win95 fat32 lba and both didnt work that s all i can say 18.22.58 # on the other hand it may not be the type 18.23.13 # i also recreated the partition...ah whatever :) 18.23.18 # it works that s all that matters :) 18.23.37 # yes 18.23.41 # that's what matters 18.24.04 # to bad the harddisk screws don t fit in the new drive :) 18.25.34 # no? 18.26.23 # * lolo-laptop wants rockbox... wish I had the brains to help out with it (iRiver H340) 18.26.56 # searching for documentation for it is a good starting point 18.27.14 # but it may mean disassembling the iriver :/ 18.27.44 # Quelsaruk: hehe, I have the torx driver to do so on order, and they appear to already have the hardware for my player listed on the site so not sure how much my disassembilng another one would help 18.28.14 # :) 18.28.17 # i din't know 18.28.38 # i thought they had only the hardware info for the h1XX 18.29.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents 18.30.08 # oh 18.30.09 # :) 18.39.40 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.40.01 # this is just hilarious: 18.40.05 # http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=12121 18.40.32 # unfortunately, you need flash to really enjoy it 18.40.35 # LinusN: you came late 18.40.35 # :P 18.46.30 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 18.46.49 # the cookie safety measures for the boot loader works 18.49.26 # what's it do? 18.49.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.50.09 # gives you a cookie if it thinks you're a theif. 18.50.19 # it sets a magic value in a location in IRAM early in the boot loader, and resets it right before starting the original or the rockbox firmware 18.50.45 # why is that needed? 18.51.24 # and it checks this "cookie" in the reset/power on handler. if it is set, the rockbox boot loader must have crashed, so it starts the original 18.52.00 # quite clever 18.52.20 # so if the boot loader hangs, all you do is reset, and the original is started 18.52.38 # ahhh, so it persists across resets 18.52.42 # then it's very clever 18.53.03 # it'll pretty much handle all bootloader related issues 18.53.05 # LinusN: what's the magic value? 0xdeadbeef? :) 18.53.19 # c00l5a17 18.53.36 # :) 18.53.53 # cYmen: Partition type shouldn't matter for rockbox; it checks the bootblock for fat32. However, rockbox does only handle primary partitions, no logical drives within an extended partition 18.54.58 # izzy_: http://daniel.haxx.se/hexpoetry/ 18.55.35 # LinusN, [IDC]Dragon: My player doesn't seem to suffer from rld, despite having the "right" hd. I hoped that I could investigate rld with it... :-/ 18.56.26 # amiconn: interesting 18.57.03 # * amiconn just had an idea why this is 18.57.52 # I run almost stock cvs compile on it - but one difference may have an effect on it - I use hardware ata poweroff 18.58.14 # Maybe I should disable it and then try again... 18.58.47 # the ata poweroff doesn't matter to those who have rld, afaicr 18.59.52 # Hmm. ATA poweroff isn't enabled for the players in cvs, and for recorders it's off by default. Are you sure? 19.00.16 # that's one of the first things we have asked the rld victims to try 19.00.44 # Okay. 19.01.14 # Do you remember whether player owners reported rld at all? Maybe it does only occur with recorders... 19.01.27 # hmmm, don't rememebr 19.01.33 # brb 19.09.43 Join BobAl [0] (~d4937cda@labb.contactor.se) 19.11.18 Part BobAl 19.12.13 Part LinusN 19.13.27 Join Marder [0] (~MArder@lsn-boi-catv-c124-p218.vtx.ch) 19.14.35 # but does it still happen? 19.14.40 # that rdl issue? 19.14.53 # Hi All - Proud owner of H140 - Eagerly awaiting RockBox on iRiver 19.15.18 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 19.15.19 # hi Marder 19.17.01 # Trying to set a RockBox development environment - but www.cygwin.com is down 19.18.05 # sourceware.org had a disk crash, i think cygwin was affected too 19.18.18 # gcc.org, source.redhat.org... 19.18.22 # :-( 19.18.30 # taht's not good 19.19.18 # i assume they have backups 19.19.22 # Any mirror you know of (Cygwin uses an Internet install) ? 19.19.32 # i've got the installer, if you want it 19.19.55 # You mean setup.exe ? 19.20.09 # yes 19.20.11 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 19.20.16 # there are a lot of mirrors 19.20.19 # it's a tiny thing 19.20.21 # http://glow.m0f0.net/setup.exe 19.20.30 # Useless, as it can not find mirrors.lst :-( 19.20.36 # hah 19.20.49 # but that's probably mirrored as well 19.21.00 # ftp.rediris.es/mirror/cygwin 19.21.08 # if i remember correctly 19.22.08 # That's it thx Quel ! 19.22.09 # * LinusN just loaded rockbox on his iriver 19.22.21 # :) 19.22.23 # WHAT ? 19.22.44 # it crashes right after loading the directory tree 19.22.57 # uh. directory tree works. nice 19.23.10 # I expected crashing earlier :-) 19.23.14 # :) 19.23.22 # hehe, no, it crashes right after loading it, not displaying it :-) 19.23.44 # * lImbus does not really know how far iRiverBox already is 19.24.59 # LinusN: I haven't realised before that you can do over 300 words in hex :) 19.25.07 # :-) 19.25.22 # the like the poem about the cobol hacker 19.25.27 # i like 19.25.59 # _really_ gotta go now. I wish you all a nice weekend, and a nice carnival for all those who celebrate it :-) 19.26.01 # Alaaf 19.26.05 Quit lImbus ("saufen") 19.26.12 # have to go too, cu later 19.26.15 Part LinusN 19.27.10 # away, bbl 19.28.39 # Cygwin setup still hangs on not finding mirrors.lst, probably on dead site 19.28.54 # any way to point setup.exe to another site ? 19.29.06 # i'll try 19.29.29 # bah, it's upxed 19.29.40 # un-upx it and edit the site string 19.29.42 # should work great 19.32.08 # Thx. I'll try when I've had figured what un-upx means. Google is your friend. 19.34.50 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 19.35.06 # upx: Compression for binaries, with runtime-decompression (->When Binary is started, it decompresses itself and then runs). 19.35.38 # un-upx: just decompress the file. 19.39.48 # upx: setup.exe: IOException: setup.exe: Permission denied 19.40.50 # great 19.41.40 # Ok, I'll grow up and come back later - hate to be a newb 19.41.56 # waiting til cygwin site is up again probably will be enough 19.42.37 # Words of wisdom - bbl 19.42.46 Part Marder 19.52.54 # cookie code committed :) looking good 19.54.21 # deed 19.59.21 Part coob 20.03.23 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@130.85.241.86) 20.13.48 # * HCl sighs.. 20.14.14 # any news..? 20.15.49 # [19:22] * LinusN just loaded rockbox on his iriver 20.15.57 # [19:22] it crashes right after loading the directory tree 20.16.06 # nice... 20.16.17 # hmm... I don't think I'll risk that 20.16.19 # * HCl just got back from the hospital and his parents, his sister isn't doing well :( 20.16.38 # HCl: :-( what's da matter with her? 20.17.59 Quit jyp ("poof!") 20.22.17 # linus - did you flash your 140 yet? 20.23.26 # 19:26 < LinusN> have to go too, cu later 20.23.27 # 19:26 -!- LinusN [~linus@labb.contactor.se] has left #rockbox [] 20.23.48 # :) 20.23.49 # He usually ends up finding it in the logs if he turns up 20.23.55 # that's true 20.24.14 # now the safety cookie is in place, i guess its almost time 20.24.40 # ripnetuk: what is the safety cookie? The hold record to boot original firmware or something else? 20.24.51 # the way i see it is as soon as someone else (i trust) tries it on a 140, and our md5's match, i flash 20.25.09 # lolo - LinusN realised that you can overcome the bootloader from crashing 20.25.26 # by setting a 'this might crash' flag at the start, and clearing it at the end. 20.25.45 # by checking for 'this might crash' before you do ANYTHING else, you can say that if you find it, it HAS crashed 20.26.15 # so if the bootloader crashes, you just press reset, the cookie (a value stored in ram) is there, and it realises it has crashed, and just jumps to the original rom 20.26.34 # smart coding. 20.26.40 # yeah... 20.26.53 # the bootloader is flashed throught the original firmware's firmware loading process? 20.27.01 # it will be 20.27.13 # cool. 20.27.38 # I must find some time to dig into this thing's code... maybe I'll just stop going to class or sleeping :-\ 20.27.44 # of course its not foolproof, thats why im not flashing yet. the jump to original might fail 20.27.54 # of course, heh 20.28.07 # and then I'd need this 'BDM' interface to repair the firmware 20.28.11 # yes 20.28.17 # and you would have to be good as soldering :) 20.28.20 # at 20.28.54 # linus says he'll do the soldering for you 20.29.03 # but better spare him the work and wait for the mad swedes to flash it first 20.29.12 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 20.29.15 # Has anyone done any preliminary type testing on the H3X0 with BDM yet? 20.29.17 # he did, but i would feel stupid if i flashed against his advice :) 20.29.28 # yes you would ;) 20.29.30 # lolo - not to my knowledge 20.29.32 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-78-188.dynamic.qsc.de) 20.29.40 # where is Linus located? 20.29.41 # i would possibly BE stupid 20.29.48 # i think sweden 20.29.49 # lolo-laptop: i expect that might happen after linus is done with h120, if he has time and is willing 20.29.55 # lolo-laptop: he's in sweden 20.30.17 # does he have a H3X0 in addition to the H1X0? 20.30.23 # don't know 20.30.28 # no 20.30.30 # but he can probably get one easy enough with donation money 20.30.32 # dunno... i dont remember him mentioning having one 20.30.37 # i think he just have the h1xx 20.30.39 # kk 20.30.56 # i know he has a bdm'ed 120 and a 140 20.31.00 # we'll see, with any luck the players are similar 20.31.01 # not bdmed 20.31.12 # afaik he has an archos player, dunno if a recorder, a fm recorder, and a iriver 20.31.19 # he is the jukebox man 20.31.21 # :D 20.31.39 # if someone gets the bootloader working on the 3xx im sure that that would lower the bar enough for others to port the rest 20.32.04 # how much does a 'BDM' interface cost and how does one acquire one? 20.32.36 # i think they are in the region of $130 and you can just buy them on the net aparently 20.32.43 # i assume that iriver doesn't boot firmware from HDD, isn't it? (i know nothing about iriver) 20.32.43 # ive never seen one tho :) 20.32.54 # no, it boots from flash 20.33.02 # then, that is harder work 20.33.03 # :) 20.33.15 # that be why we have to wait for a safe bootloader before we can try it :) 20.33.20 # it boots from hd first after linus has written a loader that does that 20.33.25 # by default, it's flash only 20.33.31 # The stuff is similar between H3x0 and H1x0 but not th esame... mostly updated components... 20.33.34 # unless we find a buffer overrun attack 20.33.45 # we can mess with archos jukebox, as we can delete the file if it's corrupted :) 20.33.49 # lolo-laptop: my guess is the hardware part will be pretty similar, and the bootloader should function well enough 20.33.49 # i have had the firmware crash every time with a particular mp3 20.34.01 # lolo-laptop: if that's true, then the whole thing doesn't have to depend on linus 20.34.32 # preglow: I'd be up for trying out the bootloader on my 340 if I had a way to recover :-( 20.34.44 # we all would :) 20.34.49 # damn 20.34.49 # hehe 20.35.13 # does booting from hdd instead of flash cost in terms of battery lifetime? 20.35.27 # has anyone else built the latest bootloader? did you get md5 6ef84888f108c9c70602c01447357abb /home/george/projects/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/build/boot/bootloader.bin? 20.35.35 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 20.35.47 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-78-188.dynamic.qsc.de) 20.35.52 # lolo-laptop: well, some, of course, both in battery time and boot time 20.36.16 # im off... see ya later 20.36.25 # ait 20.36.35 # is there a particular reason that rockbox doesn't boot entirely from flash (aside from the fact that archos players don't by default)? 20.36.51 # you can boot rockbox from flash 20.36.57 # oh, excellent 20.37.03 # but it's not as safe 20.37.06 # development off HDD makes much more sense 20.37.07 # right 20.37.11 # especially while developing, yes 20.37.22 # but sure, they have a rockbox that boots off of flash 20.37.35 # it supposedely boots quite a bit faster 20.37.56 # damn, I'll stop saying stupid stuff for a while and do some more RTFS and RTFMing. 20.38.05 # no worries 20.40.43 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 20.48.18 # Jesus, full coldfire development kits are expensive. 20.49.41 # Who's the Rockbox RTC expert. 20.49.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.54.51 # Any developers around at all? I've fixed a minor bug with the wakeup alarm (it now resumes without asking even if your resume setting is ask - which is what you want when using the Jukebox as a wakeup alarm. 20.55.10 # Just not sure whether to commit it or get someone to have a look first. 21.02.45 Join Cassandra_ [0] (~christi@213.78.102.112) 21.03.34 # Cassandra_: hmm 21.04.12 # i suppose that's ok, but you can always ask Bagder or amiconn :) 21.04.20 # i never used the wakeup alarm 21.04.44 # i think that you use the jukebox as a radio alarm, playing a song, isn't it? 21.04.55 # * Cassandra_ nods. Exactly. 21.05.09 # so, it's logical that it doesn't ask then if you want to resume or not 21.05.13 # There's no point in turning it on at a certain time only to have it prompt you about resume. 21.05.50 # the logical think is the box to play :) 21.06.03 # Possibly I should just commit it. It does seem to work. 21.06.06 # so, if right now it ask 21.06.25 # and your fix makes it not asking 21.06.30 # Yup 21.06.33 # i think its a good fix 21.06.39 # :) 21.06.54 # but i always ask things before 21.07.00 # ;) 21.07.11 # I think so too. Some of the RTC stuff is a little hairy though. Wouldn't like to mess that up in a bad way. 21.07.52 # amiconn is normally active a bit later 21.08.02 # if you can wait, ask him 21.08.10 # Yeah, I'll hang on for a bit. 21.21.09 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.49.44 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 21.52.34 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-78-188.dynamic.qsc.de) 21.57.50 # ah i m glad my box is back with the new hd :) 21.58.00 # had been broken for weeks 22.06.14 Join Remo [0] (~Remo@pbschmidt.physik.unibas.ch) 22.14.21 # hrm 22.14.31 # i think the whole iriverramload wiki page is obsolete/ 22.14.32 # ? 22.15.47 # ya mean now that the boot loader is functional? Yes, probably. 22.17.14 # yea. 22.26.26 Join jyp [0] (~jp@200-99.241.81.adsl.skynet.be) 22.34.26 # Can a button driver guru help me ? 22.35.13 # The question is how to set the triggering levels for adc input 22.35.38 # to avoid false repeats, etc. 22.49.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.55 Nick Quelsaruk is now known as Quel|away (~kvirc@80.103.128.128) 23.12.21 # "neuros firmware source code has been retracted from public use" 23.12.30 # ¿? 23.13.15 # ? 23.13.33 # apparently TI asked them to 23.13.40 # aha 23.15.40 # I did spot an interesting thread about integer FLAC on their site 23.15.50 # encoding that is 23.16.03 # I added a URL on the iriverport wiki page 23.18.21 # bagder - you know anything about the Archos rtc? I have a patch I'd like to commit which I'd appreciate someone having a quick look at to see I haven't done anything insane. 23.19.41 # I'm not an rtc expert, but I can take a look anyway 23.19.59 # DCC OK? 23.20.10 # I think so 23.20.46 # Heh, well I can't work out how to do it in this client. Email? 23.23.14 # Sent. Thanks. 23.24.53 # Does coldfire really have no floating point support at all? 23.27.14 # I don't think so, other than of course in sw 23.27.42 # Wow. I thought even the 68040 had floating point in some models. 23.33.55 # i think it was coprocessor based 23.35.05 # it had "an on-chip FPU (floating point unit)" accortding to wikipedia 23.35.14 # then i'm mistaken :) 23.35.19 # there are coldfires with fpus as well 23.35.23 # but not the one in the h1x0 23.35.31 # Ah, right. 23.35.38 # there are overall few, if any, mp3 players with fpus 23.36.15 # I'd have thought it'd be fairly necessary for encoding/decoding, but then I don't write audio codecs. 23.36.37 # nope, not necessary at all, as long as you've got decent size integer registers 23.37.21 # and the coldfire in the iriver has even got a nice extra width accumulator/multiplier 23.37.48 # So how come FLAC requires floating point then? 23.38.01 # very few things _require_ floating point 23.38.06 # it hasn't been written with that in mind 23.38.10 # it just hasn't got fixed point support coded yet 23.38.15 # Right. 23.39.14 # Cassandra_: I don't know enough RTC to comment on the function, I guess you've tested it on target? I do have some concerns regarding the code though. I'll explain: 23.39.24 # Please do. 23.39.32 # Yes, it works on target. 23.39.52 # it comes to the "separation" between firmware and apps 23.40.25 # I would prefer a somewhat cleaner approach, possibly with a function call to firmware or so 23.40.58 # but that's me, I'm not sure how others would see it 23.41.05 # we're not always that consistent on this 23.41.06 # *nod* how about if I set started_from_rtc as the return code of rtc_init? 23.41.25 # Since it's returning void at the moment anyway. 23.41.53 # I like that 23.42.01 # OK. 23.42.07 # sound like a cool thing to support anyway 23.44.36 # time for ale 23.48.51 # back 23.49.31 # Hi ami - know anything about the Archos RTC? 23.50.11 # Not much. Afaik it's a standard rtc like the one in PCs 23.50.26 # There is a datasheet in the wiki 23.51.04 # You need to check whether the rtc woke up the box, right? 23.51.37 # Oh, I figured out how to do it. I want to know that my code is OK. 23.52.42 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD95D1342.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.52.58 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 23.52.58 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD95D1342.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.53.13 # Can I access your patch somewhere? 23.53.26 # email? 23.55.21 # jyp: Re adc levels - I think setting the margins halfway between the stable levels works best 23.55.33 # Rockbox does button debouncing by default 23.55.46 # Alright, thanks for the info :) 23.56.23 # Now, what does mean 'margins halfway between the stable levels' exactly ? :P 23.56.39 # Sent - that's the old version, but I've fixed it up now as per badger's suggestion. 23.57.11 # Bagder. I must have badgers on the brain or something. 23.57.17 # :-) 23.57.59 # jyp: That means, if e.g. for single buttons on a channel, and the readings are 0 for button not pressed and 370 for button pressed, set the threshold to 185 23.58.33 # unfortunately, there are up to 4 on a channel 23.58.53 # Similar for multi button: No button = 0, Button 1 = 100, Button 2 = 200 ==> Threshold1 = 50, Threshold2 = 150