--- Log for 07.03.105 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 1 day ago 00.02.58 # preglow, amiconn I've fixed the double entry problem in "open with", but I'm going to bed now so I will not commit until tommorow after get home. 00.03.11 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 00.03.23 # nice 00.06.40 Quit frank ("Leaving") 00.09.46 # has anyone made any attempts at modplug codecs and such? 00.12.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7EC41.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.12.59 # HCl: no, i see there's a new suggestion for a lib in the wiki now 00.13.09 # dumb? 00.13.31 # or? 00.13.31 # yes 00.13.33 # ah. 00.13.34 # ok. 00.13.47 # i think i might take a look at it, emphasis on might 00.13.58 # anyone who wants to take a look at it too should still go ahead 00.14.31 Join jpburton5150 [0] (knoppix@cpe-24-24-75-245.stny.res.rr.com) 00.15.30 # it'd be sweet if we would be able to get them to work 00.15.34 # hmm... so i just compiled rockboy... with the grayscale patch... and everything takes up half the screen... 00.15.39 # dont know if thats a known bug... 00.15.44 # buts its interesting 00.15.44 # yes 00.15.53 # you need to enable the -DGRAYSCALE comment 00.15.56 # in rockboy's makefile 00.16.01 # ah alrighty... 00.16.05 # thanks... 00.16.11 # np 00.16.12 # either way 00.16.14 Quit jpburton5150 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.15 # there's a precompiled version 00.16.18 # darn 00.16.20 # he left o.o 00.16.22 # people are so impatient 00.16.44 # amiconn, After my double entry fix there will be no waste of memory in filetypes.c, all strings from viewers.config will be stored only once 00.17.06 # That's nice :) 00.17.17 Quit DrRick () 00.17.22 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 00.17.22 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7EC41.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.17.59 # Does that imply that there will be the same icon for all extensions, or can you have different icons per extension for the same plugin? 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00.46.13 # dunno 00.46.15 # netsplit 00.46.20 # hah 00.46.25 # oh, that 00.46.33 # irssi 00.46.36 # hides that from me 00.46.38 # hehe 00.46.45 # surely it notifies you? 00.46.46 # here you can tell when there's a power outage in one of the buildings by looking at your AIM client 00.46.50 # Rick: yes, but just one line :P 00.46.59 # but i need to get up soon 00.47.01 # so good night 00.47.17 Quit preglow ("kekeke") 00.47.20 NHeal sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.47.20 NJoin pabs [0] (~pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 00.50.21 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.51.02 # whoa 00.51.03 # wtf 00.51.07 # I just reset my iriver 00.51.12 # and it booted the original firmware instead 00.51.25 # it does that when it didn't manage to reset the cookie. 00.51.30 # ah 00.51.31 # maybe it was longing to play music? 00.51.35 # hehe 00.51.37 # its a security feature 00.51.42 # cool ;P 00.51.57 # to prevent unrecoverable loops of bad rockbox images 00.52.23 # that's smart 00.52.53 # Nice 00.55.00 Join condor9 [0] (jch@xmission.xmission.com) 00.55.23 Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9E5C84D.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.57.23 NJoin crwl [0] (~crawlie@adsl-37.130-DynIP.ssp.fi) 00.59.03 # i think it'd be cool to get an iRiver linux 00.59.24 # podzilla running on iriver would be neat :) 01.00.08 # Soul_Eater: so start working, all info on the hw is present 01.00.25 NJoin Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-195-158-163-26.dynamic.qsc.de) 01.00.42 # personally, I don't see the point in putting linux on everything 01.01.01 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 01.01.54 # I have no idea how or I would 01.02.04 # not a hw kinda guy 01.03.06 # linux is sw ;-P 01.04.03 # i really don't see the point of linux either. 01.04.41 # sleep time 01.04.45 # i figured in it can be done for the ipod why not the iriver 01.04.48 # my thought exactly 01.04.48 # if* 01.04.56 # too much overhead if you are not using it 01.04.59 # soul, it can be done, there's just not any point in it. 01.05.16 # of course it can, all info is already gathered 01.05.35 # its just a matter of writing the drivers for linux instead of rockbox 01.05.52 # I have a rockbox/rombox flashing question ... can anyone help? 01.06.06 # * Bagder goes to bed 01.06.08 # damn, my "open with" patch was not really helpfull 01.06.22 # linux on the rockbox indeed would be pointless 01.06.24 # er 01.06.25 # iriver 01.06.25 # ;P 01.06.53 # heh 01.07.10 # heh 01.07.21 # linux rock plugin,like cygrock? ;) 01.09.37 # I built 2.4 stable, copied the rocks dir w/the rockbox_flash.rock but when I play rockbox.ucl or rombox.ucl nothing happens. 01.09.42 Quit cYmen ("zZz") 01.11.01 # Any ideas? 01.11.11 # condor9: which box? 01.11.33 # v1 recorder 01.12.56 # the firmware_flash went fine ... just can't flash rockbox/rombox. :( 01.14.36 # I checked the message archives, faq, etc. but I didn't find anything that really helped. 01.16.39 Quit stevenm ("Leaving") 01.19.49 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 01.21.27 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (~munkee@abyss2.demon.co.uk) 01.22.00 # condor9: You need a full install with everything in the right place. rockbox_flash.rock is a viewer, so it goes into /.rockbox/viewers instead of /.rockbox/rocks, and you need viewers.config in /.rockbox 01.22.33 # The easiest way if you build your self is to 'make zip' after 'make', then unzip the archive to the root of your archos 01.23.32 # amiconn: Yeah, I did that ... when I make zip it doesn't copy any of the rocks to the zip file. 01.23.34 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 01.24.03 # amiconn: btw, in case you didn't see my previous post ... your suggestion for altering the partition table worked. thank you. 01.24.19 # It should... if it doesn't, I have no idea why though 01.24.38 # Saw that; nice that it works for you now :) 01.25.07 # amiconn: ok, so rockbox_flash.rock goes into viewers ... do I need to configure viewers.conf? 01.25.11 # conf=config 01.26.25 # My viewers.config is empty. 01.26.59 # If it's not already there, you can copy the source viewers.config verbatim. viewers.config is processed while 'make zip', but this is only to remove unneeded entries 01.27.47 # Ahh... from apps/plugins 01.27.58 # Ok, thanks. I'll try that. 01.28.57 # If it's a .rock why doesn't it go in rocks? Just curious. 01.29.13 # don't put all your rocks in one basket! 01.29.16 # * coob not funny :/ 01.29.24 # :) 01.29.27 # :p 01.29.29 # There are 2 types of rocks: ordinary rocks and viewers 01.29.51 # viewers take a parameter, which is the file they should act on 01.29.59 # well you've certainly simplified geology quite a bit 01.30.13 # ;) 01.30.15 # are viewers permiable? 01.30.17 # :P 01.30.19 # :)) 01.30.23 # Makes sense. 01.30.55 # * amiconn nukes his changes to the x11 simulator 01.34.22 # :x 01.34.32 # rockboy's new button driver still not working properly on it? 01.34.55 # Nope :( 01.34.55 # hmmm 01.34.59 # is scandisk on XP? 01.35.28 # I'm not even able to improve on the realtime behaviour. It doesn't seem to like signals. 01.36.04 # However, I found a patch in the tracker that uses a different approach, using a separate thread to update the tick counter 01.36.15 # ah.. 01.36.17 # Soul_Eater: chkdsk 01.36.53 # (or the gui disk checker from the context menu -> drive properties) 01.39.05 # and to run a chkdsk on the iriver its chkdsk e:\ ? 01.41.01 # how many plugins are shown in open with (not including duplicates)? 01.41.23 # amiconn: That did it. Thanks for your help (again). Sorry to be so far behind the curve. :) 01.55.53 Quit condor9 ("Leaving") 01.55.59 # I have created another patch for the "open with" showing duplicate entries 01.56.20 # This one will list all plugins, but only once 01.56.28 # get it here http://www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/filetypes.zip 02.00.23 # to bed now, bye 02.01.13 Quit Patr3ck () 02.03.41 # * HCl looks at ondio support for rockboy but guesses it simply does not have enough buttons 02.08.24 Join stevenm [0] (~steve@181-193.mam.umd.edu) 02.11.25 # HCl: I already told you... 02.11.32 # you did? 02.11.35 # yup 02.11.37 # i must've forgotten.. 02.11.43 # Not enough butoons. 02.11.46 # mhm. 02.11.48 # *buttons 02.11.51 # remote? 02.11.55 # brb 02.12.02 # stevenm: no remote 02.12.13 # sorry, caught tail end of that 02.12.15 # Doesn't make sense for a small flash player 02.12.20 # back 02.12.47 # * amiconn seems to have a working approach for x11 simulator realtime ticks now 02.13.57 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) 02.15.14 # The patch using threads didn't work correctly (time was running way too fast), but using a threads seems the right idea. 02.15.40 # I have correct seconds now, and it seems to run stable.... 02.15.42 Quit Strath (Nick collision from services.) 02.15.47 Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) 02.16.15 # I been at this way too long. If (Sampling Rate)/((Total Length)/(Release Time)) = (RelValue), then what is (Release Fraction per Sample) in terms of (RelValue) ? 02.18.23 # 42 02.18.48 # You know, putting that in will probably make it sound better than what it actually is 02.19.28 # that meant diddly to me.. 02.23.25 # that makes both of us :) 02.25.13 # May I ask for testing this on a linux box (perhaps other systems as *bsd too) http://amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch ? 02.26.54 # meh @ flatmates who play music at 2:20 am 02.27.51 # hehe... ATA DMA works.. :) 02.27.52 # I'm interested in the following things: (1) Does it produce proper seconds? That's easily tested with the codec test plugins; they update the speed display once per second. (2) Does it run stable, even with lcd activity? Easiest is to go to the scroll speed settings, set it to 15 and leave the example scrolling for a while (some minutes) 02.27.59 # XShocK: what?where? 02.28.19 # at least a very basic one. i changed drivers/ata.c so that it use DMA. 02.28.23 # sweet. 02.28.25 # it works good. :) 02.28.33 # will now check how fast it is. 02.28.37 # that should give nice speedups on disk accesses 02.32.16 # it works quite strange... today need to sleep. tomorrow will continue 02.33.36 Join skav [0] (skav@67-138-74-184.dsl1.merch.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) 02.33.54 # mhm. 02.35.31 # it starts rockbox. directory browse works, but when i open the file it just does not open it 02.35.41 # :x 02.37.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.39.15 # Uh-Oh.................... 02.39.17 # http://www.softjock.com/Rockbox_Jukebox_V2.htm 02.39.19 # That. 02.39.35 # Does that mean we're screwed, or not necessarily? 02.39.50 # didn't we have that name first? 02.40.04 # No idea, random googling brought that up 02.40.17 # ohh damn... do plugins depend on the version of rockbox.iriver? 02.40.23 # yes, they do 02.40.35 # that why they didn't start ... :( 02.40.43 # i hope.. :) 02.40.43 # LMAO @ that site 02.40.47 # they actually advertise 02.40.52 # with "No spyware attached!" 02.40.53 # XD XD 02.41.02 # lmao. 02.41.12 # * Rick attaches spyware to HCl 02.41.18 # ohno 02.41.19 # ! 02.41.22 # watch me not care :P 02.41.30 # :) 02.41.31 # computer security is an illusion anyways 02.42.28 # i don't understand that there are still companys 02.42.33 # who live in the age of windows 3.1 02.42.42 # and think custom graphics for applications are still cool 02.43.46 # hehe 02.51.25 # anyways 02.51.32 # time to snug my stuffed animals, and sleep 02.51.34 # night 02.52.01 # night 03.11.42 # © 2000-2005, SoftJock Enterprises 03.11.46 # how long have you guys been around 03.12.15 # let me guess....1999 ;) right ;) right ;) ! 03.16.26 Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-225-111.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 03.32.38 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.32.38 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-225-111.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 03.34.19 # doesn't mean their "rockbox" was released in 2000 03.45.48 # maybe 03.47.49 # go here and type rockbox 03.47.50 # http://grant.robinson.name/projects/montage-a-google/ 03.49.42 # it doesnt matter 03.50.00 # they are two different products 03.59.42 # that's pretty damn cool 04.00.05 # hehe yep 04.05.53 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.08.37 Quit QT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.30.09 # hrrrrr... with my DMA it reads faster(i looks like loading of the buffer into mpa2wav gets less time), but writing... on PIO it is 90%... with my implementation of DMA it is 56%.. s 04.30.36 # that is it... i am going to sleep. tomorrow i will look on it again. 04.37.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.39.01 # i need Linus... or someone who can tell why i am so dumb if i get twice slower speed with DMA.. 04.44.48 Quit XShocK (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 04.47.58 Nick [Zmaj] is now known as [zmaj] (zmaj@liebt.polnische.putzen.am.telefon.und.das.ist.auch.gut-s0.de) 04.49.58 Quit skav () 05.13.08 Join Sando [0] (kekekek@CPE-147-10-21-132.vic.bigpond.net.au) 05.17.47 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05.21.54 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (~munkee@abyss2.demon.co.uk) 05.28.06 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.30.33 # mm 05.30.38 # * Rick goes to iriver site 05.31.01 Join ze [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-202-60.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 05.32.01 # yay 05.32.05 # they are still selling the remotes 05.32.09 # damn 05.32.12 # $35...? 05.32.14 # used to be like $25 05.36.27 # geezus, what's with all the cheap auctions for iriver stuff on ebay o.O 05.41.30 # eeww 05.41.32 # they use UPS 05.41.44 # Your order has been placed. 05.41.44 # A confirmation e-mail with a printable invoice will be sent to you. 05.41.45 # ;D 05.41.48 # * Rick ordered a new remote 05.46.48 Join jpburton5150 [0] (knoppix@cpe-24-24-75-245.stny.res.rr.com) 05.47.08 # HCl: even though you went to bed... thanks... that worked :) 05.47.25 # HCl: sorry for being impatient :P 05.47.46 # HCl: but im assuming this precompiled version is on the original site that hosted rockboy? 05.48.07 # (yeah, it is :P) 05.48.13 # way to have conversations with myself... 05.48.17 Part jpburton5150 06.09.34 Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-216-109.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 06.15.12 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06.22.59 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (~munkee@abyss2.demon.co.uk) 06.23.29 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.23.29 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-216-109.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 06.25.50 Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 06.37.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.04.44 Quit dwihno (Remote closed the connection) 07.07.39 Join turdburglar [0] (~chatzilla@conr-adsl-209-169-100-64.consolidated.net) 07.08.08 Join dwihno [0] (~dw@81.8.224.89) 07.17.20 # how's the playback progress coming along? 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;-) 08.36.07 # slay silly person 08.36.44 # taunt silly knight a second time 08.37.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.39.40 # hmm 08.39.42 Quit BubbaJo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.39.46 # LinusN: you took your h120 apart right? 08.39.58 # oh yes 08.40.14 # LinusN: the pictures on the rockbox pages don't give a picture of the bottom without the bottom part of the case on 08.40.31 # I semi-damaged my reset button, was wondering what it is 08.40.36 # like, a piece of plastic? or what 08.40.47 # (I 'popped it' out of place) 08.40.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo 08.40.58 # yeah, but it only gives a picture from the top 08.41.04 # you can't see the actual button 08.41.45 # i see the button 08.41.58 # maybe i'm looking at the wrong part then 08.42.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/front.jpg 08.42.58 # yes, I figured it was the little silver 'box' in the bottom-center (slightly to the right) 08.43.09 # yes that's it 08.44.37 # it's even more clear here: http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/naked_front.jpg 08.48.33 Nick kergoth is now known as kergoth`zzz (~kergoth@li11-226.members.linode.com) 09.03.08 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@217.30.249.201) 09.04.16 Quit turdburglar ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]") 09.11.53 Join nobby [0] (nobby@ACD46532.ipt.aol.com) 09.22.44 Part nobby 09.39.31 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) 09.41.15 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 09.41.20 # bah 09.41.34 # what's wrong? 09.41.53 # just had a horde of electricians in here 09.42.14 # where is here? 09.43.19 # preglow: they stormed your house and took your fuses? 09.43.44 # yes! 09.43.45 # the trauma 09.44.11 # sorry preglow, but my boys were bored and had to do something. I'll have them bring back your fuses tomorrow :-) 09.44.16 # haha 09.44.58 # LinusN: you read that libmad is actually near 200% realtime? 09.45.10 # saw that 09.45.19 # didn't think disk write consumed that much 09.45.30 # i knew the disk writes would skew the results, but not to that extent 09.45.43 # well, endian swapping and disk writes 09.45.49 # neither are necessary for our use 09.46.00 # enlighten me, is 200% a good or bad thing? 09.46.05 # good, indeed 09.46.09 # not good enough, but better 09.46.14 # ah 09.46.19 # what's the target? 09.46.26 # h1x0? 09.46.32 # yes 09.47.40 # how's the tremor codec going? 09.47.51 # tremor codec? 09.47.53 # i don't think anybody is working on it 09.47.55 # what's tremor for? 09.47.58 # ogg 09.48.00 # ah 09.48.11 # markun is working on it 09.48.15 # oh 09.48.16 Join jyp [0] (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 09.48.18 # oh 09.48.24 # hmm 09.48.25 # that reminds me 09.48.29 # markun should be back today 09.48.33 # he mentioned trying to swap the mdct for a fft with post/pre processing 09.49.01 # how large is the mdct there? 09.49.07 # the whole frame 09.49.13 # anything from 128 to 4096 09.49.30 # 128 sound small for an fft 09.49.32 # mp3 has very small mdcts, since it's employed after subband decomposition 09.49.32 # sounds 09.49.38 # it's not, really 09.49.54 # it's perhaps the smallest pretty common size 09.50.08 # ok 09.50.09 # * HCl rubs a bag of sand out of his eyes and yawns 09.50.18 # that's the smallest imdct block, the fft size will be half the block size 09.52.06 # i wonder why the tremor codec doesn't use fft in that case 09.52.50 # they've stated that the goal of tremor is more to be a reference than the tightest piece of code imaginable 09.53.01 # fair enough 09.53.06 # and that particular piece is very easily exchanged by yourself 09.53.46 # but yes, imdct is much more important performance wise in vorbis 09.53.53 # than in mp3 09.53.59 # yeaa 09.54.13 # ahh, and yes, i got mpegdec working 09.54.20 # it's not realtime on a 90 mhz coldfire, that's for sure 09.54.20 # heard it was noisy 09.54.49 # yes, there was over eight bits worth of difference between that and a better mp3 decoder 09.54.57 # wow 09.54.58 # but a difference isn't the best way of comparing 09.56.30 # so we should stick to libmad for the time being 09.56.57 # well, it's not necessarily bad, i thought i'd check it out a bit now 09.57.04 # perhaps commit it if someone wants to try it out 09.57.16 # i wont have time to do much rockbox this week 09.57.29 # booh 09.57.35 # :/ 09.58.45 # how are we supposed to keep our time plan if people start prioritizing their personal life? 09.58.54 # hehe 09.59.10 # we're only making rubbish anyway 09.59.17 # yeah 10.01.30 # you're right 10.01.35 # i'm brickwalling the door as we speak 10.02.26 # how hard is 68000 coldfire assembler? 10.02.40 # similar to other assemblers 10.02.47 # but fairly easy, imho 10.03.38 Join Lynx_ [0] (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 10.04.04 # it think it's very easy 10.04.18 # depends on if you're used to x86 asm 10.04.30 # if you are, you are going to moan in delight as you get used to having more registers 10.04.50 # xD 10.04.59 # oh thats nothing, try mips 4 10.05.04 # 31 regs :3 10.06.41 # sparc has something around 128, i think 10.07.29 # thats insane.. 10.07.37 # A, X and Y are all registers you need :-) 10.07.43 # powerpc has loads of them too, iirc 10.07.45 # haha 10.07.49 # * preglow misses 6502 10.07.57 # lda #$00, sta $d021 10.08.08 # jmp $fce2 10.08.31 # what's the difference between 6502 and 6510? 10.08.34 # i've only used the former 10.08.56 # the 6510 has an extra i/o port iirc 10.09.25 # address 0 and 1 10.09.47 Quit R3nTiL () 10.09.52 # but i'm too old to remember stuff like that :-) 10.10.03 # * HCl scratches his head 10.10.11 # haha 10.10.15 Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@p548CB5C3.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.10.20 # i barely remember much of the 6502, and it's not that long since i used it 10.13.22 # preglow: sorry there was a problem with the "open with" patch 10.13.42 # Patr3ck: not your fault 10.13.55 # just me taking ten minutes of silence as consent :P 10.14.04 # :-) 10.14.20 # anyway, a patch with the simple wanted behavior: www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/filetypes.zip 10.14.21 Join BubbaJo [0] (~billy@ip24-250-183-187.bc.dl.cox.net) 10.14.35 # every codec listed once 10.14.42 # Henrik Backe said he has a patch 10.15.00 # yes 10.15.01 # he's the original author of the filetypes thing 10.15.06 # ok, fine 10.15.26 # thanks anyway 10.23.19 Join webguest83 [0] (~c40ff482@labb.contactor.se) 10.26.29 Quit webguest83 (Client Quit) 10.29.29 Join webguest45 [0] (~c40ff482@labb.contactor.se) 10.34.17 Quit webguest45 (Client Quit) 10.37.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.44.40 Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-199-233.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 10.58.26 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.58.26 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-199-233.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 11.02.04 # does the code cache do prefetches? 11.04.30 # it fills a whole line 11.05.10 # 16 bytes/line 11.05.35 # yes, but only when a miss is detected, yes? 11.05.51 # of course, that's what the cache is for 11.06.05 # yes, but i was wondering if it prefetched 11.06.21 # it always fills a complete line 11.06.45 # i was just thinking it wouldn't enhance sequantial code that much 11.07.14 # it won't help much, no 11.07.28 # all it helps you with is to fetch in bursts 11.07.29 # i'd like to commit imdct_l code, but it's entirely sequantial 11.07.51 # it should be in iram then 11.08.14 # i was also thinking of optimizing the other imdct_l instead, but there's not much emac magic to be done there 11.08.24 # and i think the compiler makes better code than me 11.09.39 # plugins use the main thread stack, yes? 11.09.47 # the cache helps a little on unrolled code, since the instruction fetches are done in bursts 11.09.51 # preglow: yes 11.10.14 # just a pointer for the future, codec plugin stack really should be in iram 11.10.32 # yeah 11.10.32 # they construct a lot of temp arrays that are accessed a lot 11.10.57 # * HCl yawns 11.11.03 # we just need to control stack usage vigourosly to keep its size down 11.11.04 # hi 11.11.10 # gmorning. 11.11.11 # hi amiconn 11.11.14 # * HCl makes food 11.11.48 # LinusN: yes, it helps, but would be better to have something loop based 11.11.58 # absolutely 11.12.27 # I have a patch ready that adds proper realtime behaviour to the x11 sim (timer tick, sleep). I'd prefer some people to test it on various flavours of unix (Linux, BSD, OS X) before committing. 11.13.04 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch 11.13.57 # amiconn: nice, will try it at home if i remember to do it 11.14.47 # 2 tests I'm especially interested in: (1) Does it run realtime? (run the stopwatch plugin) (2) Does it run stable, even with heavy display activity? (got to the scroll speed settings, set it to 15 and let the example scroll for some minutes) 11.15.35 # amiconn: i'll give it a go 11.15.55 # amiconn: have you tried to run it over the net? 11.16.01 # ? 11.16.08 # remote 11.16.14 # Nope, how? 11.16.23 # I'm not that much in x11 11.16.26 # that's what i'm doing 11.16.44 # preglow: good, then we'll get a good benchmark 11.16.49 # Additionally, I did not yet change anything in the lcd routines 11.17.03 # the box is one meter from me, but it's still remote :) 11.17.27 # hehe. 11.17.51 # it's only an additional thread that keeps track of time and updating current_tick, and sleep using select() instead of poll() 11.18.33 # Using poll() isn't realtime because it does not always sleep the whole time, it gets interrupted by other signals too 11.22.27 # select() is the same 11.22.38 # you need to loop when EINTR 11.22.58 # stopwatch seems decent 11.23.00 # when errno is EINTR 11.23.08 # It's not if you use select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, &tv); 11.23.33 # stopwatch is accurate as far as i can see 11.23.44 # amiconn: I think you're wrong 11.23.56 # Hmm, need to check again then 11.24.26 # amiconn: the 'up' key doesn't work some times 11.24.49 # preglow: Yeah... I did not yet work on the button handling. 11.24.55 # ...that's next 11.25.00 # ok, as long as you know of it 11.25.09 # scrolling seems fine as well 11.25.13 # My patch doesn't change that 11.27.37 # amiconn: if you've got access to a linux box, running x remote isn't muc harder than setting the DISPLAY variable on the box, and adding an ip in your cygwins x 11.28.13 # using ssh, you don't even need to do that manually 11.28.21 # yup, correct 11.28.27 # i just didn't bother with ssh locally 11.29.30 # and for the record, I could easily provide a linux login for this purpose in case some would like it 11.29.37 # now, food 11.30.35 # yes, i would be glad to provide a login as well, as long as no warez are involved :P 11.31.32 # amiconn: scrolling has been running for over five minutes, no change in behaviour 11.31.52 # preglow: Nice :) 11.32.39 # I'll check again whether the sleep() implementation using select() works correct before committing 11.33.58 # there the entire thing hung 11.34.04 # i thing that's the button handler, though 11.34.07 # think, even 11.34.21 # yes, most definitely, after banging the keypad, it unfroze 11.35.13 # but ait, i'll go hassle the people at the shop 12.04.21 Join Heidelweg [0] (~h@pD9E39B18.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.11.14 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 12.12.53 Quit BubbaJo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.12.53 Quit Heidel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.17.12 Join doejohn [0] (~doehoe@adsl-158-43-23.asm.bellsouth.net) 12.17.28 Join jyp_ [0] (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 12.17.35 Quit jyp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.18.03 Part doejohn 12.21.37 Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-193-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 12.30.52 # i wish iriver had opted for an arm based design 12.31.00 # i'd like to learn arm asm 12.31.17 # get an arm emulator and knock yourself out 12.31.20 # o.o 12.31.22 # arm asm is cool 12.31.22 # haha 12.31.24 # it's not the same 12.31.36 # it seems very powerful, and at the same time they say it's risc 12.31.38 # * HCl has a pda that runs linux and is a strongarm.. 12.32.00 # Bagder: is there anything bad to say about the arm architecture? 12.32.07 # yes 12.32.15 # they have things patentet 12.32.20 # excellent... 12.32.21 # and hunt clone makers 12.32.35 # so everyone has to license it? 12.32.38 # yes 12.32.50 # apparently, arm is also pretty expensive compared to competitors 12.32.51 Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.32.51 Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-193-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) 12.33.03 # at least I've heard so 12.33.26 # but otherwise its cool 12.33.55 # we used netbsd 1.6 on strongarm in a project once, that was not cool though :-) 12.34.23 # caching on virtual addresses 12.34.23 # arms are everywhere... i think most of my gadgets contain an arm 12.34.33 # having kernel and user space both from address 0 12.35.05 # hah 12.35.08 Nick jyp_ is now known as jyp (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 12.35.55 # Anyone knows a good mp3 cutter for linux ? 12.36.02 # what the hell, strongarms run on less than one watt at 233mhz 12.36.03 # that's insane 12.36.48 # jyp: check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools 12.36.56 # Many thanks 12.36.58 Join marvb [0] (~81b1111b@labb.contactor.se) 12.37.27 # hi guys, I just noticed something when starting rockbox 12.37.53 # a loud sound was coming through the headphones 12.38.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.38.27 # on what hardware? 12.38.40 # HCl: sorry, iriver 12.38.47 # hm. symptom of uninitialised hardware? 12.39.12 # using the bootloader on the wiki, and the bleeding edge this morning 12.40.00 # I do not know if this is supposed to happen, as I haven't had the headphones plugged when using rockbox. 12.40.17 # well, sound hardware is not supposed to work 12.40.36 # preglow: I know, that's why I freaked out ;) 12.40.41 # it'll get fixed when sound support is in cvs 12.40.43 # hahah 12.41.00 # the codec chips isn't inited at all, so it might blurt out stuff from time to time 12.41.19 Quit ripnetuk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.41.24 Join ripnetuk_ [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 12.41.54 # preglow: ok, sounds reasonable enough. Good work anyway. 12.42.00 Join midk_ [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 12.42.34 # ive heard the noise from uninitialized sound chip 12.42.45 # like a loud white noise 12.42.50 # startup-sounds! 12.42.55 # cool ;-) 12.43.02 # * Bagder ducks 12.43.16 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.43.26 # we could have a nokia jingle as it inits :) 12.44.17 # ripnetuk: For me it was more like those Hz-registrating things we used i high school physics. 12.44.34 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.44.53 # im guessing its still got the valus in from last time iriver fw was run 12.45.01 # values 12.45.23 # dd someone say you has got 200% on libmad now? 12.45.54 # yea 12.46.00 # we didn't keep account of the disk writing 12.46.26 # not writing to disk made it go at 200% 12.46.35 # ripnetuk_: depends on the file, i've got 205% realtime on a 180 kbps average vbr mp3 12.46.46 # gotta go, bye 12.46.55 Part marvb 12.47.02 # btw. does that mean, not writing to the disc gives all other codec also double speed? 12.47.08 # isnt that enough? what are we aiming for? 12.47.22 # well, it'll do 12.47.27 # but more would be great 12.47.30 # and possible 12.47.38 # Heidelweg: not double speed, but more 12.47.44 # Heidelweg: i tried the same with flac, got a handsome boost 12.47.45 # cool :) 12.47.53 Nick Heidelweg is now known as Heidel (~h@pD9E39B18.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.48.01 # strictly speaking, it was no boost ;-) 12.48.03 # hows the playback api coming on? 12.48.06 # just a better calc 12.48.08 # haha 12.48.13 # sure enough 12.48.21 # it was never intended to write anyway 12.49.28 # how hard would it be to 'hack' the mpa2wav to dump its output the the dac? is it just a case of dumping it to ram and telling the dma controller to copy it to the dac? 12.49.43 # i honestly don't know. 12.49.52 # ripnetuk_: for what reason? 12.50.11 # just for fun :) to hear it make noises before the complete sound api is done 12.52.07 # LinusN: The TIMER1 code you gave me worked beautifully 12.52.33 # * LinusN removed the write() calls and got from 87% to 96% 12.52.44 # Patr3ck: nice 12.52.47 # LinusN: There were two changes from my original code 12.53.15 # LinusN: the (auto?) vector move which was beyond my understanding 12.53.39 # LinusN: 49mhz? 12.53.43 # 120 12.53.49 # LinusN: And the interrupt level, 2.0 in your case and 3.1 in my case 12.53.49 # is this your 320kbps file? 12.53.53 # yes 12.54.04 # Patr3ck: allright 12.54.07 Join gothmaniac [0] (~matrix8@82.198.0.19.satgate.net) 12.54.13 # LinusN: could you send me that? 12.54.20 # hang on 12.55.01 # LinusN: I am still wondering why even after using the moved autovector interrupt level 3.1 did not work 12.55.25 # http://linus.haxx.se/iriver.mp3 12.55.30 Part gothmaniac 12.55.55 # Patr3ck: the autovector uses different vectors for each interrupt level 12.56.53 # LinusN: OK, I see 13.00.48 # preglow: FYI, it isn't the disk writing that takes all the CPU, it's the dithering 13.00.49 # LinusN: well, this is most certainly interesting 13.01.08 # LinusN: i've got that file running at 170% realtime 13.01.33 # yes, because you removed the dithering as well as the disk writing 13.01.45 # yes, i commented out the whole block 13.02.22 # dithering is quite unnecessary at 16 bit, imho 13.02.33 # do you have uncommitted optimizations? 13.02.36 # LinusN: yes 13.02.41 # the ugly imdct_l one 13.02.46 # i get 150% without dithering 13.03.01 # well, 150*1.15 = 172% 13.03.08 # my opt gave about 15% last time as well 13.03.12 # i think dithering might make a difference 13.03.28 # yes, of course, depends on several factors 13.03.33 # my hearing can't pick it up 13.04.11 # the dithering is done on the SDRAM buffer 13.05.11 # gotta eat 13.05.18 # * LinusN goes to lunch 13.06.57 # but yes, if done correctly, dithering should not matter much 13.07.01 # on cpu usage, that is 13.10.04 # any way of making just some members of a struct be put in iram without ripping them out and rewriting the code? :> 13.10.07 # me thinks not 13.10.53 Join Stu3 [0] (~Stu3@203-206-51-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.11.10 # nope 13.11.35 # i 13.11.47 # i'll probably have to trace through the code path and note what to put in iram 13.11.49 # *sigh* 13.12.06 # i don't like where this is heading, i had decided not to spend much time on rockbox this week 13.12.55 # you can convert the members to pointers, and have what they point to be in iram? 13.13.09 # simple change of changing . to -> 13.13.23 # that's what i was thinking of, yes 13.13.30 # *nods* 13.13.37 # * HCl goes back to his book 13.13.40 # but i still need to find out what members are used often 13.13.44 Quit jyp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.13.50 # mhm 13.15.51 Join Patr3ck_ [0] (~patr3ck@pD9ECFAEF.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.22.44 Join Bagder_ [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 13.25.53 # fuck. 13.25.57 # fuckfuckfuck 13.26.41 # http://barrapunto.com/ciberderechos/05/03/07/1217215.shtml <-- if this is accurate (needs spanish->english translation), looks like i need to set my sights on asia to find a non-screwed up workplace to migrate to :( 13.28.42 # i think software patents should be like 6 months or something 13.28.54 # that way the inventor gets a head start, but cannot have a monopoly 13.29.10 # ripnetuk_: that's about as good an idea as any i've heard. 13.29.16 # particularly given the product lifecycle 13.29.27 # yeah, with physical inventions, the time to market is long 13.30.03 # but without a global patents system, all software patents will do is put your country at a disadvantage 13.30.24 Quit Patr3ck (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.30.59 # ripnetuk_: that's actually not a half-bad idea 13.31.16 Quit Bagder (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.31.20 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 13.31.27 # preglow - thats as good a reason as any not to do it ;) 13.31.56 # it would also encourage companies to QUIcKLY make new tech for us to play with 13.32.14 # ripnetuk_: and delay patenting to the last second. 13.32.37 # you realise, of course, that any court case would probably take longer than the expiration time :) 13.32.42 # idneed 13.32.53 # the patenting process itself is also not very quick 13.34.33 # a difficult area... 13.35.19 Join BubbaJo [0] (~billy@ip24-250-183-187.bc.dl.cox.net) 13.37.00 Quit preglow (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13.37.00 NSplit sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 13.37.44 # yawn 13.38.12 # pity there's no simple way to force the patent applicant to do their due dilligence reliably before making the application. 13.38.30 # not that it's easy to do so 13.38.42 # (do the due dilligence i mean) 13.38.50 # i agree, intellectual property is a concept i don't really agree with.. 13.39.14 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 13.39.55 # * HCl is bored :x 13.40.11 Join Schee4 [0] (~SeeSchlos@ARennes-352-1-9-86.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.40.14 # * ashridah finishes an assignment 2 months early 13.40.19 # hurray. one down, 3 to go 13.40.34 # :p 13.41.55 # of course, it helps having had experience with C programming before you get to the subject, and the concepts themselves are mostly a rehash of the ones studied in java, plus a few annoyances. 13.43.15 Quit lostlogic ("Going to the moon") 13.43.19 # heh. i think the C text book i've got is so old it predates C90 or whatever. let alone C99. 13.44.48 # * HCl doesn't even remember which c books he read. 13.45.01 # i mostly started with pascal and migrated to C 13.45.06 # it doesn't matter. i rarely need to refer to it 13.45.19 # gnu libc man pages are your friends. 13.45.46 # * HCl watches the class fill. 13.46.05 # formal methods of software engineering... bit of a boring class :x 13.46.35 # HCl =- Z? 13.46.40 # i tend to use the info pages (rendered using konqueror's info kio plugin, mind you) 13.47.08 # someone gave me C second edition.. 13.47.12 # ripnetuk_: hmm? yes, it does cover the language Z... 13.47.23 # that was my least favoriate subject at uni 13.47.29 # but we're at um.. whats it called.. fsp or fps or something... 13.47.30 # anyways 13.47.32 # afk, class. 13.47.52 # yay.. deadlocks and dining philosophers. 13.47.54 Quit Schee (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.47.55 # X.x; 13.48.07 # tsk... curl requires a security fix on MandrakeUpdate :) 13.48.20 # i'm more interested in the philosophers than how they dine >.o 13.48.27 # afk now. 13.48.49 # ripnetuk_: hah, tell me about it... :-) 13.48.58 # * ripnetuk_ thinks the philosphers should just eat with their fingers :) 13.49.25 # and it looks like the ENTIRE kde needs update (again!) 13.49.41 # Actual leaks report (actual leaks: 0 total size: 0 bytes) | Possible leaks report (possible leaks: 0 total size: 0 bytes) BAHAHAHA 13.49.55 # * ashridah phjeres his l33t memory handling skilz 13.50.41 # only one i've managed to generate so far has been using a filehandle i'd already closed 13.50.56 # surprisingly that didn't crash, but it certainly didn't give the results i was expecting either :) 13.51.42 # LinusN: you broke the gmini build, you know that right? 13.56.20 # i know 13.58.06 # i'll change to BUTTON_PLAY instead 14.01.03 NHeal sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.01.03 NJoin preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 14.01.45 Quit Ka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.50 # looks like the SDRAM size is the only difference between H110 and H120 14.09.28 # how much ram on each? 14.09.45 Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@fw01.kebne.se) 14.09.49 # 16 on H110, 32 on H120 14.10.31 # i think the iriver firmware size differs pretty drastically 14.10.35 # might remember wrong, though 14.10.52 # Anyone building sim with cygwin gcc 3.4.1? Can't find cc1 when I try... :( 14.11.14 # Or do I have to install 3.3.3 for that? 14.12.00 # hrm. how exactly does one get cygwin to give you gcc 3.4. it only had gcc 3.3 when i downloaded a crapload of it two days ago 14.14.10 # You can select 3.4.1 as an experimental option... (You need to cycle the "new" column and explicitly select "bin" though. 14.14.56 # Funny thing is, I could build the m68k cross compiler just fine, so I wonder if it might be a rockbox problem. :) 14.15.32 # aah. it's experimental? i'll leave it where it is then 14.16.24 # i put together a cygwin environment + instructions for a bunch of my mates at uni, so they could get a unix-alike build environment for one of the assignments we have to do for a programming subject. it's close enough to the solaris machine (which is gcc 3.4) that they'll be able to get their work done a lot faster 14.16.40 # one of the tutors was trying to suggest djgpp 14.16.51 # i didn't even think that was still keeping remotely up to date 14.16.53 # but i could be wrong :) 14.17.13 # last i checked it built dos apps 14.18.50 # Btw, on cygwin, is cc1 supposed to be in the path? Or am I missing a symlink somewhere? 14.19.19 # gcc finds it without the path 14.19.23 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010733332pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 14.20.13 # Linus: But why doesn't gcc find it when building the rockbox firmware then? :) 14.20.48 # maybe it is the SOURCES magic, that calls the preprocessor 14.20.49 # hm, the "hippies problem", finally something different from the dining philosophers o.o 14.20.58 Quit ripnetuk_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.22.08 # Linusn: Well, it happens when it tries to compile buffer.c, doesn't that mean I'm past that stage? 14.22.40 # yes 14.23.13 # gcc -print-search-dirs 14.26.03 # i just did a 'find -name cc1' on my cygwin install here, and it didn't find anything 14.26.24 # ( from / that is) 14.26.27 # Linusn: First directory in the path points to the one with cc1... 14.26.34 # odd. 14.26.35 # ashridah: "cc1.exe" 14.26.47 # rofl 14.26.49 # * ashridah smacks head 14.26.50 # yeah 14.26.50 # Lear: show me the exact error message 14.27.37 # Linus: After the line with CC buffer.c: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory 14.29.45 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 14.29.53 # Lear: did you upgrade to 3.4.1 or was that the first compiler you installed? 14.30.56 # or have you moved the cygwin root? 14.30.58 # linusn: should be the first. Because 3.4.1 is experimental though, I've installed 3.3.3 accidentally a couple of times. Should be uninstalled though. And it's only rockbox firmware that has complained so far... 14.31.11 # Linusn: Root has not been moved. 14.31.13 # gcc --version 14.32.20 # linusn: gcc (GCC) 3.4.1 (cygming special) 14.33.01 # "cygming special"? 14.33.14 # hehe 14.34.07 # /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.1/cc1.exe --version 14.35.44 # * preglow hugs his linux box 14.35.55 # linusn: Aha, when building rockbox, gcc looks in i686-pc-mingw32, not i686-pc-cygwin... But I have installed gcc-mingw-core... 14.37.57 # but maybe not the correct version? 14.38.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.40.03 # linusn: Seems like it. I installed a slightly newer version of gcc-mingw-core, and now I've got a mingw cc1 also. 14.51.29 # Ok, so I have a H1x0 sim running. Now what? It starts, but I can't even browse the menus... 14.52.42 # huh? 14.53.54 # Ah, so I have to use insert. "." doesn't work, despite what the image says (and I use a notebook right now, so keypad "." isn't very convenient... ) 14.57.43 Join lolo-laptop [0] (~lostlogic@68.251.84.226) 15.06.44 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]") 15.06.59 # ok, learning arm asm is not a two hour procedure 15.10.25 # why arm asm? 15.11.42 # trying to see what the imdct_l_arm.S does 15.11.51 # and if it's a method that's feasible for coldfire 15.11.58 # it looks pretty decent 15.12.15 # it's pretty well commented, though 15.13.23 Join Atreju [0] (~Atreju@Af5fa.a.pppool.de) 15.14.01 # heh. 15.14.42 # hi. Has somebody experienced problems with the gmini 120 and linux? 15.15.16 Join jyp [0] (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 15.16.05 # have we got MP3 to audio out yet on iRiver? Or still just WAV? 15.16.28 # we have neither 15.16.41 # in cvs 15.16.47 # oh ok 15.22.11 Join Chamois [0] (~3e234217@labb.contactor.se) 15.28.54 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 15.31.52 Part LinusN 15.33.46 # for ( next = file->firstcluster; next; 15.33.46 # next = get_next_cluster(IF_MV2(fat_bpb,) next) ) 15.33.46 # LDEBUGF("cluster %ld: %lx\n", count++, next); 15.33.46 DBUG Enqueued KICK jyp 15.33.46 # len = count * fat_bpb->bpb_secperclus * SECTOR_SIZE; 15.33.53 # this isn't quite correct right ? 15.34.11 # count being only incremented when debug is on... 15.35.45 # I'm committing the fix... tell me if I was mistaken 15.36.59 Quit Atreju (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.37.13 # what file is that in? 15.37.17 # fat driver? 15.37.21 # yup 15.39.10 Join Renko [0] (~Renko@host217-43-59-226.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) 15.48.49 Quit Chamois (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.55.11 # I'd rather have a FAT drive than a fat driver :) 16.07.41 # 250gb is what i'd call a fat drive... 16.08.55 Join Tomas2 [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 16.08.59 # hi 16.19.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK DeadMan 16.19.45 # 14Hard Disks: 04(14Total15/14Free: 308.2815/166.31GB 15¤ 14Total15/14Free space on: 14C: 74.5315/20.96GB 15¤ 14D: 231.7415/145.34GB 15¤ 14J: 2.0115/0.01GB04) 16.19.47 # 14Network Drives: 04(14Total15/14Free: 843.7515/163.1GB 15¤ 14Total15/14Free space on: 14T: 74.5315/21.38GB 15¤ 14U: 279.4715/75GB 15¤ 14V: 189.9215/24.34GB 15¤ 14W: 76.3215/40.71GB 15¤ 14Y: 111.7615/0.77GB 15¤ 14Z: 111.7615/0.9GB04) 16.20.01 # ;) 16.20.59 # Is 1TB or more getting more common these days? 16.21.18 Quit Sando (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.32.00 Join stevenm [0] (~steve@stevenm-router.student.umd.edu) 16.36.23 # DeadMan: 'C' is you fast drive, eh? ;) 16.38.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.00.34 Quit Renko (Remote closed the connection) 17.01.35 # not really 17.01.42 # just too much effort to try and move it 17.02.19 # I have an indexing error on C: NTFS but am too lazy to start over 17.02.34 Join Renko [0] (~Renko@host217-43-59-226.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) 17.02.46 # I was gonna try to partition magic it to FAT32 and back again to see if I could fix the error that way 17.02.57 # after backing the data up of course 17.09.06 Quit stevenm (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.13.44 Nick kergoth`zzz is now known as kergoth (~kergoth@li11-226.members.linode.com) 17.14.40 Quit ripnetuk (Remote closed the connection) 17.19.14 Quit BubbaJo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.20.30 Quit preglow ("ba") 17.21.43 # http://mjr.iki.fi/texts/patentfund 17.25.03 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 17.25.33 # hi 17.29.43 Quit Renko (Remote closed the connection) 17.31.53 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 17.31.59 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 45 minutes and 59 seconds at the last flood 17.31.59 # * HCl prods markun, if he's reading the logs; will probably be around 9ish at belletrie for ddr 17.33.38 Quit methangas (Client Quit) 17.34.04 # bbl. 17.34.13 # jyp: Your fix for fat.c is probably unnecessary, because this part is #ifdef TEST_FAT anyway, and when TEST_FAT is defined, LDEBUGF is most likely also defined 17.34.32 # actually not in my setting 17.34.54 # Ah, you did test, and didn't have LDEBUGF? 17.35.03 # indeed 17.35.27 # How do you test then? 17.35.39 # in my emulator 17.36.14 # Ah, the emulator :) 17.36.19 # yah :) 17.36.45 # Anyways, I don't think it hurts to keep my fix right ? 17.38.29 # Nope; I just wondered what it might be good for. Didn't think of the emulator, as we didn't have one... 17.58.37 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 18.01.18 Join Renko [0] (~Renko@host217-43-59-226.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) 18.02.42 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 18.10.45 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@217.30.249.169) 18.12.49 Quit Patr3ck_ () 18.15.10 Join stevenm [0] (~steve@176-159.mam.umd.edu) 18.18.47 Quit jyp ("poof!") 18.22.30 Quit R3nTiL (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.25.57 Quit stevenm ("Leaving") 18.26.01 # jyp, you're writing an sh1 emulator or something? 18.28.34 # Bonkers: Not sh1; jyp is the gmini man. The gmini guys have written a gmini emulator, which emulates most (all?) of the gmini hardware. 18.29.21 # That's of great value for porting rockbox to gmini 18.29.31 # amiconn? you know much about the simulators? 18.29.52 # My iRiver simulator can't open the plugin's browser... 18.29.55 # Well, I'd say quite a bit 18.30.21 # Did you 'make install' after 'make'? 18.30.30 # yes.. 18.30.43 # Windows or Linux? 18.30.48 # linux 18.30.57 # :( 18.31.15 # I'm afraid I can't help that much with Linux, running windows only... 18.31.40 # ok.. I have windows too.. but haven't tried to build it there jet.. 18.31.48 # Did you check the dir structure? 18.31.51 # what's the simplest way? visual studio? 18.32.19 # I think the vs build is completely broken now, and I have no way to fix it (i.e. no visual studio) 18.32.28 # other way? 18.32.40 # I'm using cygwin for everything rockbox related 18.32.57 # lol... that's almost linux 18.32.59 # morning guys 18.33.08 # innocent question, if you're using cygwin, why can't the linux and windows simulator be identical? 18.33.14 # Compiling for target(s) (sh1 in my case), and both win32 and x11 simulators 18.34.26 # Bonkers: The native win32 simulator can't run on linux for obvious reasons, and this one is preferred on windows. It's more compatible, and if you only want that one, you need a way smaller cygwin installation (no x11 needed) 18.35.14 # oh.. in cygwin my make complains... 18.35.24 # Then, Tomas2 says cygwin is *almost* Linux - yes, but only *almost* 18.35.44 # MAKE Version 5.2 Copyright (c) 1987, 1998 Inprise Corp. 18.35.44 # Fatal makefile 65: No terminator specified for in-line file operator 18.35.47 # :X 18.35.51 # Huh? 18.35.58 # that's make on cygwin... 18.36.02 # amiconn: sounds like it would be a terribly fun project to port the simulator to some cross platform toolkit, too bad I don't have time right now 18.36.30 Join BubbaJo [0] (~billy@ip24-250-183-187.bc.dl.cox.net) 18.36.39 # Tomas2: That's definitely not gnu make 18.36.58 # no, I'll install the gnu version 18.37.10 # $ make -v 18.37.10 # GNU Make 3.80 18.37.10 # Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 18.37.36 # installed :) 18.37.56 # damn... cygwin is much slower than the real linux :) 18.38.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.38.30 # Really? Some other guys also told me, but then I have no comparison. 18.39.07 # yeah.. This pc is a Athlon XP 3200+ and the make almost takes twice the time it takes on my simple celeron 700 laptop... 18.39.13 # but the laptop is running native linux 18.39.19 # Hmm. 18.39.26 # Tomas2: the first time I tried cygwin, before I'd touched linux, it was probably on a 486 33 MHz, I thoguht all configure scripts took like 45 minutes 18.39.38 # Pentium M 1.5 GHz laptop here 18.39.51 # yeah, my laptop is a little old... 18.40.00 # Celeron 700, 512 mb mem... 18.40.14 # my real computer is much faster normally... 3200+ with 1024 mb mem... 18.40.37 # I don't want to fiddle with Linux on that, 'cause windows is running pretty stable and does everyting I need (with the help of cygwin). 18.41.05 # yeah... I use windows XP on this pc for games and my company program's... 18.41.15 # any idea how the speed of colinux compares to cygwin? 18.41.30 # native linux is just really much faster... whatever version u use... 18.41.44 # I tried to fiddle with Linux several times, but I simply don't have the time to switch to Linux. It takes ages to get a Linux environment to the stage where it is actually usable... 18.42.03 # install some simple distro? like mandrake of fedora? 18.42.08 # amiconn: not lately, fedora core, ubuntu, knoppix, you can have a system up and running faster than the windows install takes 18.42.19 # I used that when I wasn't as linux experienced as I am now... 18.42.19 # ubuntu installed completely in like 10 minutes or something 18.42.33 # knoppix boots off a CD in like 3 minutes and is fully usable 18.42.39 # Yeah, up and running *basically*, but until all hardware works, it can take ages... 18.42.52 # they all autodetect hardware now 18.42.59 # well.. my laptop worked with fedora just from setup 18.43.01 # ... and for some hardware I tried to get running under linux, I failed completely 18.43.03 # I think knoppix picks up every piece of software in my computer 18.43.09 # and when I did LFS it was easy as hell... 18.43.15 # just have to know your hardware 18.43.29 # I can stick knoppix in my laptop at school with my wireless card plugged in, in 2 minutes I'm already on the internet with sound at startup 18.43.34 # no configuration at all 18.43.46 # knoppix is pretty leet 18.44.06 # yeah, because it's build on debian... 18.44.19 # but it's really the hardware autodetection that makes it so cool 18.44.19 # Well, I actually didn't try the distros you mention; but I tried several SuSEs, and debian (the latter on Amiga hardware though) 18.44.22 # I use debian for my server and firewall too... 18.44.29 # amiconn: currently I use VMWare for my rockbox dev enviornment 18.44.41 # amiconn: debian is a little more difficult 18.44.44 # ya, debian on my server/firewall too 18.44.45 # Tomas2: do i detect a debian zealot here? :P 18.44.52 # a little ;) 18.44.55 # haha 18.44.56 # debian is ok 18.45.02 # yeah, for servers... 18.45.02 # as long as you don't run stable 18.45.11 # hah, I'm running stable on my server 18.45.13 # I run stable with backports... 18.45.13 # SuSE did fails for several hardware items, and I didn't even manage to get x11 running in debian 18.45.15 # i can't stand using five years old software 18.45.26 # then use stable + backports? 18.45.38 # only fixes are backported 18.45.38 # I installed new apache, php, mysql and postfix from backports 18.45.38 # not features 18.45.43 # I had like a 400 day uptime with that thing, and it was an old 266MHz K6-2 18.45.49 # preglow: www.backports.org 18.46.00 # i don't want to jump through hoops 18.46.04 # i've got anice server anyway 18.46.09 # and i'm not about to spend time on it 18.46.11 # put it in /etc/sources.list 18.46.17 # and you can install all new things you want :) 18.46.19 # yes, i know 18.46.26 # i'm using apt on my desktop right now 18.46.34 # but i'll not touch my server until it stops working 18.46.39 # I don't use debian as a desktop.. 18.46.42 # that's just to old... 18.46.49 # old KDE and thinks aren't usable... 18.46.50 # use unstable 18.46.56 # i use ubuntu right now 18.46.57 # We also considered using a Linux file server at work some time ago, but decided against it. User administration is a nightmare compared to a windows domain, imho. 18.46.59 # runs like a charm 18.47.02 # yeah... I just use LFS now on my laptop 18.47.14 # amiconn: i wouldn't call it a nightmare 18.47.22 # amiconn: you need to get used to it, then it's pretty smooth 18.47.29 # like everything else 18.47.36 # less intuitive, perhaps 18.47.48 # No, simply much moire work for less effect 18.47.52 # doesn't samba support full active directory stuff by now? 18.47.59 # yeah version 3 18.48.00 # amiconn: what exactly are we talking about? 18.48.18 # file servers aren't very hard to set up or admin 18.48.22 # I didn't have a look at the latest samba, but back then samba even needed to enter the password a second time. 18.48.35 # Windows 2000 with active directory was available by then 18.48.38 # samba works incredibly smooth these days 18.48.43 # back when? samba has been able to join a domain fork 5 years at least 18.48.57 # We use several linux fileservers at work... 18.48.59 # samba could join an nt4 domain before 2000 ad existed 18.49.05 # All integrated in windows 2000 domain 18.49.06 # Yeah... to join, but not to be an ad domain controller 18.49.18 # It can controll a NT 4 domain 18.49.21 # you don't need to be a domain controller to share files without requiring a password a second time 18.49.22 # and join a 2000 domain 18.49.43 # but of course, win2k is going to be smoother for smb stuff 18.49.53 # samba does work really well, though 18.49.55 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 18.50.12 # samba is /fast/, though 18.50.16 # if you're just doing filesharing 18.50.26 # amiconn: In my office we have 4 redhat servers running as a domain member with a big raid array for file serving... 18.50.37 # I never have to login twice.. 18.50.55 # just login to a w2k workstation and my home drive is mounted automatically... without relogin.. 18.50.55 # Hmm, actually I think samba is slow as hell, but that's not samba's fault. The SMB protocol is simply inefficient 18.50.57 # windows remembers my passwords for me 18.51.10 # smb isn't very elegant, no 18.51.13 # but it works 18.51.16 # yeah... SMB is slow.. compared to http or ftp.. 18.51.21 # Tomas2: Not to login twice, but to tell samba the password again. 18.51.32 # no.. don't have to type a password at all 18.51.34 # ...when creating the user, that is 18.51.39 # ooooh 18.51.48 # you have to change some domain settings for that 18.51.56 # and make samba replicate users from windows 18.52.08 # or just use domain auth and don't make linux users at all 18.52.18 # which is what you of course do 18.52.18 # it's possible with winbind... 18.53.23 # can't you just do like "security=domain" and have it work perfectly? 18.53.25 Join geoff_o [0] (geoff@HSE-Kitchener-ppp231719.sympatico.ca) 18.53.35 # amiconn: i mean, samba is faster compared to windows :) 18.53.48 # fuzzie: I seriously doubt that 18.53.50 # win2k3 was faster for a few weeks around launch 18.53.55 # no, it really is 18.54.02 # but that changed quickly. 18.54.15 # don't know about 2003 but it's faster than windows 2000 server 18.54.16 # samba actually has been faster than windows loads of times 18.54.17 # i can't speak for anything but filesharing, though. 18.54.19 # it's not bs 18.54.23 # Bonkers: For a file server, and today, maybe. Back then it simply didn't work 18.54.54 # * Tomas2 is away: etaning 18.54.56 # *eating 18.55.47 # Anyway, for some reason, whenever I try to get used to linux a little more, and try to get it running 100%, I spend hours and hours searching the web how to get this or that piece of hardware running. 18.55.52 # This is simply annoying. 18.56.06 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) 18.56.17 # try knoppix 18.56.24 # i haven't had hardware trouble with linux for years 18.56.28 # * [IDC]Dragon steps in for a quick visit 18.56.43 # my wifi card doesn't work under linux. that's the only trouble i have. 18.56.52 # big showstopper, though. 18.56.52 # these days i actually have to do more work to get my hardware to work in windows 18.56.59 # need drivers for my raid controller 18.58.22 # For instance, I did not yet manage to get AVM Bluefritz (ISDN over bluetooth) running in SuSE 9.2. It is properly detected, and configured with yast, but it simply doesn't work until now. 18.59.36 # One step is already solved; I had to manually enter the AP's password in a config file. Ouch, why is that? This is stone-age! 19.00.24 # For some reason, it still doesn't work, although it connects to the AP now. 19.00.31 # never tried that 19.00.41 # then again i've never tried suse 19.02.12 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 19.04.03 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 19.07.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: yesterday I've searched for our conversation about Ondio USB powerup with MMC inserted 19.07.25 Quit Renko (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.07.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> but faile to find it 19.07.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> failed 19.07.54 # Hmm, it obviously should be there 19.08.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> remember, the annoing prompt to remove the MMC 19.08.10 # But the basic idea is simple 19.08.35 # We "just" need to start monitoring usb before trying to mount the disks 19.08.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think we do 19.09.05 Join Renko [0] (~Renko@217.43.59.226) 19.09.08 # join #comedi 19.09.27 # #get banned 19.10.35 # typo sorry 19.11.01 # [IDC]Dragon: Yeah, we do, but there are 2 problems (imho) 19.11.52 # (1) We start monitoring *immediately* before the disk mount, but maybe the usb thread takes a while to catch this, and then the present usb connection. Meanwhile the mount might already be done... 19.13.11 # (2) The check for inserted mmc is unconditional, i.e. it always prompts for removal of the mmc when usb is about to be acknowledged. It should not prompt if the card is not yet initialised (and hence not yet in spi mode) 19.13.44 # The question remains how reliable this info is... 19.14.08 # Maybe the problems is only (2) though 19.15.18 # Hmm. Actually problem (1) is very likely too. There is no yield() between usb_start_monitoring() and the disk mount... 19.15.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> we can insert one 19.15.49 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 19.16.08 Quit lolo-laptop (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.16.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> why should tCardInfo.initialized be unreliable? 19.17.23 # Because it's also a race. It gets set at the end of the init sequence, so the first step (switching to spi mode) might already been done and it still reads false... 19.17.56 # i do however feel they should have mastered bloody cut and paste by now 19.17.59 # that would have been great 19.18.03 # blergh. 19.18.07 # computers suck. 19.18.12 # hi 19.18.12 # HCl: why, indeed 19.18.31 # i bought this 1gb of ram sodimm for my laptop about a month ago 19.18.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> it's only a rave if used within interrupt 19.18.38 # and it has only worked right for 6 days. 19.18.44 # i seriously hope i can demand my money back. 19.18.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> ...race 19.18.53 # i think that by now. 19.19.06 # i a) learned that ddr ram is shit slow and it barely speeds up my laptop at all 19.19.13 # and b) i'd rather use the money to buy a samurai sword. 19.19.25 # use them to buy good beer 19.19.27 # [IDC]Dragon: No. The init sequence uses sleep(), and hence yields 19.19.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> urgh 19.19.35 # i don't drink beer. 19.19.44 # all i drink thats alcoholic is sake 19.19.47 # and now that you mentioned it. 19.19.50 # i think i'll get some. 19.19.51 # sake works 19.19.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> perhaps we should use the mutex there 19.20.00 Join _aLF [0] (Alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 19.20.03 # <_aLF> hi 19.20.06 # * HCl has this uber prettyful sake set ^^ 19.20.09 # afk :3 19.20.17 # i've just had about two bottles of it in my life, but it's pretty good 19.20.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh, but it's read within the tick 19.20.51 # english style ales > *, though 19.21.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> reset, sorry 19.21.22 # [IDC]Dragon: The card init is called from within the transfer functions, and hence *is* protected by the mutex. However, this doesn't help if you simply read tCardInfo.initialized, since that read is not protected by the mutex 19.23.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> then we should set it early, before any yielding operation 19.24.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> or introduce another flag 19.25.42 Join lolo-laptop [0] (~lostlogic@68.251.84.226) 19.26.24 # ugh. my flatmates are such shallow perverted jerks. 19.26.42 # don't have too high hopes for humanity 19.26.44 # * HCl threw this porn calender of 2004 away that they hanged in the kitchen 19.26.55 # they even dared to ask whats annoying about a porn calender in the kitchen. 19.27.02 # hahaha 19.27.03 # i swear. 19.27.06 # they would've went 19.27.09 # and gotten it out of the trash 19.27.15 # if i hadn't dumped it way at the bottom of a dumpster 19.27.21 # well of course you get rid of 2004 calendars by now .... 19.27.34 # Bonkers: they took it out of the trash of other people. 19.27.44 # heh 19.27.50 # they're seriously pathetic. 19.28.13 # and they dared to call me prude. lmao. if they only knew O.o; 19.28.25 # anyways. 19.28.29 # they're dumb. and annoying. 19.28.31 # so whats up? 19.28.52 # [IDC]Dragon: Then we would have to set it really early, in select_card just after checking for not initialised (line 170). This might break something, because the tCardInfo.initialized should only be set if the card was initialised successfully, i.e. reading and setting all parameters without errors 19.28.57 # hunger's up 19.29.38 # [IDC]Dragon: That looks like another parameter is necessary... but then it would only be necessary for the MMC, not for the internal flash 19.29.48 # * Tomas2 is back 19.31.16 # [IDC]Dragon: Actually, setting it that early wouldn't work, because this flag is checked again later on in the same function 19.35.13 # hm 19.35.18 # compile error in cygwin.. 19.35.32 # gcc version 3.3.3 (cygwin special) 19.35.36 # latest CVS 19.35.44 # MAKE in libwavpack 19.35.53 # In file included from bits.c:33: 19.35.53 # wavpack.h:497: error: parse error before '->' token 19.35.53 # wavpack.h:519: error: parse error before '->' token 19.35.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK Tomas2 19.35.53 # wavpack.h:521: error: parse error before '->' token 19.35.53 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.35.53 # wavpack.h:525: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `value' 19.35.54 *** Alert Mode level 2 19.35.54 # wavpack.h:525: error: `bs' undeclared here (not in a function) 19.35.56 # wavpack.h:525: warning: data definition has no type or storage class 19.35.58 # wavpack.h:527: error: parse error before '->' token 19.36.00 # wavpack.h:529: error: parse error before '->' token 19.36.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: ok, one bool then 19.36.18 # amiconn? you used cygwin before? 19.36.31 # I'm still using it 19.36.36 Join webguest58 [0] (~52710618@labb.contactor.se) 19.36.40 # seen this error before? :) 19.37.17 # No. I had some parse errors, but not this one 19.37.53 Quit webguest58 (Client Quit) 19.37.55 # I'll check it on real linux this evening... maybe it really is an error :) 19.37.58 # Current cvs should compile almost cleanly (some warnings are there - the same as with linux) 19.39.41 # [IDC]Dragon: I just checked; a simple yield between usb_start_monitoring and the disk mount is not sufficient. Usb will only pickup the change in the next usb tick, then send an event to the usb queue, and then usb thread has the chance to pick it up when it's scheduled next 19.40.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> several yield()s ? 19.40.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> in the tick, sorry 19.40.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> then this won'r work 19.41.06 # I think a sleep() for several ticks is needed. Even then this is ugly, because it's a race 19.41.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> the HD models also have a problem here 19.41.55 # I don't think so 19.42.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> if the mount fails, they can only recover because the USB screen is called by the error handler 19.42.12 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-252.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 19.42.21 # The race is there, yes, but it's not much of a problem 19.42.37 # Ah, yes 19.43.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> it would be nicer if USB is done first, in general 19.43.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> instead of through a backdoor 19.43.29 # Imho a clean soultion would be to make usb_start_monitoring() guarantee that it catches the usb connection before returning 19.43.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes 19.43.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> gotta run now 19.43.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> cu later 19.44.01 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") 19.45.55 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.02.17 Quit coob (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.10.22 Join jyp [0] (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 20.10.26 # preglow: r u there? 20.10.40 Quit BubbaJo (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.07 # yes 20.19.37 # I checked again... Bagder was right, both poll() and select() may be interrupted by a signal. 20.20.25 # But that usually doesn't happen, only when I tried implementing ticks with setitimer() it did 20.20.33 # (SIGALRM, obviously) 20.21.18 # http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Interrupted-Primitives.html 20.21.33 # if you want the gory details 20.21.40 # So using either poll() or select() is equivalent, only select() is a bit more difficult to set up (struct timeval instead of a simple parameter) 20.22.30 # On the other hand, I need to deal with struct timeval for gettimeofday() anyway, and all this is defined in sys/time.h, while poll() needs an additional header (sys/poll.h) 20.23.03 # ... not to mention that some systems don't have a good poll() 20.23.20 # Hmm, but they may also not have a good select() then? 20.23.37 # well, select() is much more portable than poll() 20.23.45 # poll() is a newer invension 20.23.53 # i never even heard of poll() 20.23.57 # Okay, so I'll keep my select() then. 20.24.15 # poll() has no FD_SETSIZE issues 20.24.30 # which select() has 20.24.35 # but for our case it doesn't matter 20.25.18 # The remaining question is: is it necessary to check for premature return because of a signal? 20.25.35 # probably not 20.25.45 # add a comment about it and try without 20.26.11 # Well, I checked with a simple test plugin on cygwin, seems to run as intended 20.34.05 # yawn. 20.35.49 # What's shakin'? 20.35.51 # no sign of markun? 20.36.16 # markun (~markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) signed off 22 hours and 25 minutes ago 20.36.22 # ah 20.36.47 # (as "/MSG logbot seen markun" told me) 20.37.03 # Hmm, never noticed Logbot before 20.37.05 # nifty 20.37.24 # its "he" who makes the IRC logs 20.38.03 # ah 20.38.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.38.19 # Bagder: Btw, it seems logbot is unable to 'explain' anything since your server upgrade 20.38.34 # i should've brought my usb cable for my iriver after all.. 20.38.49 # zagor's in charge of the bot 20.38.52 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 20.38.52 # * HCl finds himself bored and unable to develop :/ 20.39.10 # I only wrote it ;-) 20.39.56 # HCl: Go steal someone's digicam cable ;P 20.40.11 # :p 20.40.20 # I keep my iriver cable in my backup 20.40.39 # and I use one that came from a digicam that's "permanently" affixed to my computer 20.40.40 # ;P 20.42.09 # makes things easy ;) 20.43.43 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 20.55.43 # Bagder: what's it written in? 20.55.57 # C 20.56.05 # i've made a sexy bot in perl 20.56.11 # i bet it's fewer lines :) 20.56.16 # heh 20.56.36 # well, I started mine back in... 1994/95 20.56.42 # I didn't know perl then 20.56.49 # haha 20.57.08 # i had probably never been on irc then 20.57.34 # it was a different time 20.57.47 # just a few irc networks 20.58.11 # i can imagine 20.58.18 # i frequented bbs's those days, i think 20.58.22 # might just have been starting out 21.00.25 # the bot was written as a defence bot mainly 21.00.41 # takeover protection? 21.00.48 # yes 21.00.58 # I was in undernet in 94-95 21.01.00 # takeovers i don't miss 21.01.16 # no flash, no banners, no pop-ups.. the good times 21.01.24 # hehe 21.01.48 # and Mosaic 21.01.56 # AMosaic for me 21.05.17 # telix.exe 21.05.20 # :) 21.05.47 Join Tomas|laptop [0] (~tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 21.05.50 # hi :) 21.06.41 # evening 21.07.39 # I had a 68020 then 21.07.47 # browsing was slow as hell. ISP only supported 14.4 21.08.00 # I had a 68030 21.08.23 # but I did most programming on sunos 21.08.35 # on sparc 21.08.37 # I had several Amigas 21.09.10 # Seed: I still have one, working 21.09.24 # I gave away mine, working ;-) 21.10.49 # amiconn? my simulator sill isn't working.. 21.11.01 # it starts, and I can browse the menu's 21.11.10 # but the "browse plugins" option isn't working 21.11.52 # What does it do? 21.12.14 # when I press the right button it just doesn't do anything... 21.12.23 # and no error's in console... 21.12.59 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.205) 21.13.26 # That's usually a sign that archos/.rockbox/rocks isn't there 21.13.33 # hey, its a hardeep! 21.13.41 # hey guys 21.14.11 Join Tang [0] (~chatzilla@ARennes-252-1-48-106.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.14.20 # hi 21.14.20 # nice work on the iriver port, looking good =) 21.14.32 # i just ordered an H120 :) 21.14.35 # amiconn: tnx 21.14.48 # hardeep: that's a spirit I like! 21.14.52 # the .rock files were in archos/.rockbox 21.15.11 # i got a question about the tag database design 21.15.34 # I :) 21.15.43 # hardeep: that is mostly Zagor's work, I believe 21.15.43 # if an album is split between multiple directories, should it still show up as only one album in the album view? 21.15.58 # Tomas|laptop: That's strange. 'make install' should put them in archos/.rockbox/rocks and archos/.rockbox/viewers, respectively 21.16.09 Join HenrikB [0] (~HenrikB@as4-2-2.sjom.b.bonet.se) 21.16.18 # 'cause it currently doesn't 21.16.26 # bye good work 21.16.30 Quit edx () 21.16.35 # :) 21.16.50 # hardeep: I think there are a few known problems that Zagor is aware of and intends to fix 21.16.54 # amiconn: next error.. it gives a seg fault when loading a plugin :S 21.16.57 # Bagder: ah, okay, cool 21.17.09 # i just installed it for the first time, was very cool =) 21.17.48 # (sorry i've to go earlier 21.17.52 # cheers) 21.17.56 Quit Tang (Client Quit) 21.19.49 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAA5CF.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.19.50 Quit edx (Remote closed the connection) 21.21.20 Quit methangas (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.21.40 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 21.23.19 # fun site: http://www.arrowasia.com.hk/en/arrowtimes/techwatch.html 21.23.21 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 21.25.43 # hmm 21.25.59 # that emac mention gave me an idea i've forgotten to try 21.26.06 # Hmm. I was just looking for irivers on ebay germany. It seems H-140s are not very common, and H1xxs are more expensive than H3xxs 21.26.21 # amiconn: well, they're not in production any more 21.26.59 # There is quite a number of H120s, H320s and H340s, only the H140 seems to be rare 21.27.21 # There is also a H-100 (10 GB). I wonder about the differences 21.27.33 # 16mb ram 21.27.37 # i thought also a H-110 (perhaps 15 GB) 21.27.39 # Another thing: There are silver and black H120s 21.28.00 # yes 21.28.02 # Bagder: Is that the only difference? 21.28.05 # us h120s are black, i think 21.28.10 # mine's silver, at least 21.28.15 # amiconn: as far as we know for now 21.28.17 # http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47624&item=3877883989&rd=1 <== H100 21.29.37 # Linus has been trying to get his hands on one to dissect and check closer 21.30.16 # the silver H120 is the euro one is it not? 21.30.21 # that is what I am told anyway 21.31.07 # I remember reading it on the iriver forums ages ago 21.31.21 Join webguest64 [0] (~d9ebca8f@labb.contactor.se) 21.31.22 # Rick: From reading a bit further, it seems so. There's another offer of a black H120, and it says "american version" 21.31.34 # I have a black h140 21.31.37 # but 21.31.39 # then again 21.31.44 # i have a black H120 21.31.51 # a black 120...? 21.31.53 # what differences does the chinese/japanese H1x0's? 21.31.57 # i didn't know they existed... 21.32.02 # HCl: yes, I have one 21.32.05 # I want the silver one :( 21.32.17 # and i don't care :P 21.32.20 # hehe 21.32.26 # I think the silver ones look neater at least 21.33.00 # http://akiba.sorobangeeks.com/review_pics/13/13_3.jpg <- black 120 21.33.38 # yep 21.33.38 Quit webguest64 (Client Quit) 21.33.40 # that's what I have 21.33.57 # as do i, though i havent seen the actual player since i got my iskin 21.34.19 # iskin? 21.34.29 # 3rd party case 21.34.38 # ah 21.34.39 Nick Aison is now known as God`damn`EU (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 21.43.22 # Bagder: i just did a naive emac remplimentation of mad_f_mul, actually gained just a tiny bit of extra performance 21.44.09 Join BubbaJo [0] (~billy@ip24-250-183-187.bc.dl.cox.net) 21.44.59 # nice 21.45.05 # every little gain is goodness 21.46.46 # Thank you for shopping at iriver America! We are happy to report that 21.46.46 # your order, number xxx, was shipped on 3/7/2005. To view further 21.46.46 # details regarding this order, please visit your order status page 21.46.48 # wohoo :) 21.49.42 # hopefully UPS won't kill it 21.49.42 # ;P 21.53.50 # what was ordered? 21.53.57 # I ordered a new remote for my h120 21.54.03 # (managed to break mine ;P) 21.54.48 Join edx [0] (edx@p54879CE8.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.57.01 Join funkymonkey [0] (methangas@0x50a43276.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 21.57.01 Quit methangas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.58.34 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 21.59.09 # hi, does anyone have any problems with IRC? 22.00.43 # no? 22.01.14 # tried to connect to around 5 freenode servers, lookup failed 22.01.37 # i'm having some dns funkiness here as well 22.04.56 # if i write or read one sector of data from disk and continue reading or writing, will be automatically go to next sector? 22.05.00 # oh, I haven't reconnected in a while 22.05.08 # from what i understood it is 22.06.42 # * preglow misses his beer 22.08.13 # i just don't really understand why in ata.c when writing it tries to write it call copy_write_sector function by SECTOR_SIZE blocks. Does the disk need a time to go to next block or what? 22.10.00 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@p3EE2D457.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.10.05 Quit funkymonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.12.34 # hm.. when building simulator not everything get's copied? 22.12.50 # rockboy for example isn't in my simulator build... 22.13.00 # rockboy isn't sim compatible 22.13.05 # or at least I think so 22.13.09 # ok.. 22.13.10 # It is, and it should 22.13.17 # I stand corrected 22.13.32 # (if you build an iriver sim or any archos recorder sim) 22.13.34 # hm... last CVS version again... make install done, but rockboy folder is empty 22.13.46 # ? 22.14.14 # The rockboy in /.rockbox folder is created *by* rockboy, and holds savegames etc 22.14.40 # I copied the rockboy.rock to the rocks folder 22.14.51 # think that create's the folder 22.14.57 # but it quits with a seg fault 22.15.13 # so I think just copying the file isn't the right way :) 22.15.15 # rockboy.rock should be in /.rockbox/viewers 22.15.33 # ...and you then start it by *playing* a gameboy rom file 22.15.56 # If it crashes by starting it directly, you have found a bug 22.16.11 # yeah, it seg faults when you start it without a rom 22.16.19 # It should simply exit in that case, perhaps with an error message telling you what's wrong 22.16.40 # well.. then I found a bug :) 22.17.04 # me fix... 22.17.09 # in simulator it crashes... 22.19.24 # Win32 sim too... 22.21.14 # how do I just "open" a rom file? 22.21.34 # browse to the directory that it's in 22.21.48 # k 22.21.53 # and select it 22.22.09 # eh... how to get in filemanager? I don't have a numpad here... 22.22.46 # ? 22.22.53 # it's the default thing that is started up 22.22.58 # in the non-sim at least 22.22.59 # ;p 22.23.03 # no files listed there... 22.23.29 # You need to set 'file view' to 'supported' or 'all'. 22.23.37 # It's set to 'music' by default 22.23.39 # ok 22.24.05 # You may enter the menu either with the numpad '.", or insert (iriver sim) 22.24.45 # yeah, i don't have a numpad 22.24.50 # did it with insert 22.24.54 # now it shows the file 22.25.25 # Now just 'play' the file 22.25.39 # iriver sim: numpad 5 or just space 22.25.53 # yeah, RIGHT works too 22.26.04 # Ah, yes of course 22.26.08 # another bug... it crashes when loading an invalid file 22.26.40 # Get a valid one ;) 22.27.27 # yeah, you have a good rom site? 22.27.41 Join bg_ [0] (~chatzilla@216.183.244.90) 22.28.53 # ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/ 22.31.20 # ah HCL's site 22.31.32 # yup 22.31.35 # Question for everyone: does anyone reconize the DSP chip/core name "EPICS7A"? 22.31.58 # did you ask google? 22.31.59 # ;P 22.32.01 # I've searched the web, but can't find any reference to it. (Found the term originally in Philip's documentation.) 22.32.06 # * geoff_o nods 22.32.36 # * geoff_o wonders if it's related to the PIC microcontroller family. 22.33.25 # The only other information I have for it is it's a 24-bit DSP. (PIC only advertised 16-bit DSPs on its website.) 22.35.00 # File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML 22.35.00 # ... 24bit Epics7a DSP. -UltraBass?. ?. LFBGA208. ??????????DSP ... 22.35.00 # EPICS7A DSP. CORE. 70MHz. I2S/SPDIF. I2S/SPDIF ... 22.35.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK Rick 22.35.00 # www.tomen-ele.co.jp/products/ten/ten109/PHILIPS.PDF - Similar pages 22.35.05 # no info in that? 22.35.06 # ;O 22.35.11 Join hubble [0] (hubble@h196n2fls302o1033.telia.com) 22.38.11 # amiconn: interesting one... I downloaded MARIO1.GB from that site... and it seg faults when loaded here 22.38.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.38.28 # We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/viewers.config' 22.38.28 # We open the real file 'archos/mario.gb' 22.38.28 # Segmentation fault 22.40.03 # Hmm. That's on linux? 22.40.15 # jep 22.43.13 # Hmm. Perhaps your compiler doesn't define LITTLE_ENDIAN? 22.43.46 # I got this on cygwin as well. 22.44.03 # gcc 3.3.4 22.44.24 # build voor m68k-elf 22.44.33 # ? 22.44.46 # the iriver version... 22.44.56 # you need a gcc compiled with --target=m68k 22.45.12 # The host gcc is most likely different, and that's what's used for the simulators 22.45.26 Quit HenrikB ("Lämnar") 22.45.53 # gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 22.45.58 # is the host one 22.46.29 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 22.46.48 # Rick: yeah.. I don't seen any reference to it outside of philips publications. Maybe it's a philips chip.. 22.48.19 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.48.19 # * Rick nods 22.50.38 # * Tomas|laptop is going to watch some tv and sleep 22.50.43 Quit Tomas|laptop ("bye") 22.58.08 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 23.04.42 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 23.05.53 # Hi LinusN 23.06.49 # coffeecoffeecoffe 23.06.50 # e 23.07.45 # lol 23.07.51 # what time is it over there? 23.08.00 # 11:07pm 23.08.07 # hi Linus 23.08.09 # ok, same as here 23.08.13 # nished 23.08.13 # DMJC it's awesome 23.08.13 # Jumper_01 dude you guys are on /. 23.08.13 DBUG Enqueued KICK DMJC 23.08.13 # DMJC sic 23.08.13 # Jumper_01 http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/03/07/1154252.shtml?tid=202&tid=156&tid=10 23.08.14 *** Alert Mode level 1 23.08.14 # Zaarin DMJC: what did you do on the remake? 23.08.18 # DMJC talons baby 23.08.20 # DMJC talons 23.08.21 # tought it was morning or something ;) 23.08.22 # Reliant I was wondering, is my setup & menu stuff still in there? :) 23.08.24 # DMJC I textured em 23.08.26 # whoops.. 23.08.28 # click that link... 23.08.29 # DMJC: what up 23.08.47 # a 5 year game project I was working on got finished yesterday and slashdotted 23.09.01 # the wing commander: privateer remake in vegastrike 23.12.11 # cool 23.12.22 # wing commander? That's the name of a 90s game 23.13.30 # It's a remake 23.13.54 Join mirak [0] (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-4-170.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.13.57 # helllo 23.13.58 # aha. cool 23.14.07 # lo 23.14.20 # rockbox is for iRiver or Archos ? 23.14.25 # It's for the Archos 23.14.29 # and being made for the iRiver 23.14.33 # ? 23.14.36 # ok 23.14.50 # I plan to buy a mp3 player 23.14.55 # iRiver port is booting and playing games.. but not jet playing music 23.14.58 # I am mostly interested in recording features 23.15.06 # Then you should take iRiver... 23.15.10 # ah ? 23.15.11 # it hat optical input 23.15.12 # really ? 23.15.18 # and volume control for recording 23.15.25 # and it can record to mp3 directly.. 23.15.27 # not the Archos ? 23.15.34 # don't know... I have an iRiver 23.15.38 # ok 23.15.39 # use it for guitar recording a lot.. 23.15.41 # is there an 23.15.48 # ok that's for what I am interested 23.15.52 # for recording gigs 23.15.55 # or concerts 23.16.05 # do you use an external mic ? 23.16.09 # you can 23.16.11 # you dont have to 23.16.14 # the iRiver has a mic 23.16.24 # the mic is good enough to record live ? 23.16.24 # No, connect it directly to the mixing pannel... and record the final output 23.16.28 # but it has a build in mic.. 23.16.32 # heh 23.16.34 # and an external mic. connector 23.16.36 # I like the built-in mic more 23.16.46 # is it good to record under the t shirt 23.17.00 # ok I don't know how to tranlsate this expression :) 23.17.00 # well.. you get a mic with it, wich you can clip on something 23.17.02 # I use it for recording class lectures at college 23.17.03 # very small 23.17.08 # very usefull 23.17.30 # and how is it for live groups when you record from the audience ? 23.17.32 # mirak: I speak a _LITTLE_ french 23.17.41 # Tomas2: enregistrer sous le manteau 23.17.47 # it's the expression 23.17.52 # Recording from the public> 23.17.56 # for pirate recording 23.18.00 # yes 23.18.12 # It's possible 23.18.15 *** Alert Mode OFF 23.18.29 # is it small enough to be hidden ? 23.18.37 # I don't know if they do corporal search 23.18.47 # well.. it's not that small.. 23.18.53 # you can easily hide it in you pocket 23.18.53 # I want something small enough to fit it in my anus 23.18.56 # lol 23.18.59 # haha 23.19.01 # no change 23.19.04 # well you could i guess 23.19.06 # lol 23.19.13 # or you must be gay... 23.19.18 # and have a very active boyfriend :P 23.19.29 # no I am not gay 23.19.32 # I like jokes 23.19.37 # well... then it wont fit :P 23.19.42 # ok :) 23.19.54 # what is the reference of this iRiver product ? 23.19.57 # the name 23.19.59 # it's the width of a cigaret pack... 23.20.08 # I don't smoke 23.20.11 # and the height of a gsm... 23.20.13 # i bet it could fit 23.20.17 # if you have a big asshole 23.20.19 # I don't phone 23.20.22 # lol 23.20.25 # ok that's no true 23.20.27 # iets iRiver H120 23.20.32 # ok I google 23.20.55 # well in the slip it could be ok 23.21.01 # they don't touch the balls 23.21.03 # 120 is 20gb hard drive. h140 and h100 are 40 and 10 respectively 23.21.05 # when they search 23.21.14 # 20 is ok I think 23.21.25 # I myself don't have more than 40G mp3 23.21.36 # does it support ogg ? 23.21.41 # http://img5.exs.cx/img5/5045/IMG_0728.jpg 23.21.46 # yes it supports ogg 23.21.51 # check that picture 23.21.58 # it's next to a well known phone 23.22.09 # I have almost the same phone 23.22.17 # mine is a bit older 23.22.19 # 3310 23.22.46 # the picture is from a french site 23.22.50 # guess you can read it :P 23.22.50 # http://www.generationmp3.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8256&st=0&#entry131289 23.23.04 # I have no clue what it's about... but it look's like a review 23.26.30 # there is a tie mic 23.26.34 # ? 23.26.52 Part hubble 23.27.09 # Tomas2: what is the utility of optical in/out ? 23.27.24 Quit jyp (Connection timed out) 23.27.50 # quite a long review 23.28.08 # mirak: high quality in- and output 23.28.11 Join jyp [0] (~jp@254.214-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) 23.28.23 # and there is a tie mic.. 23.28.27 # I got it with mine 23.29.01 # the optical in/out is usable for dvd players.. and professional recording studio's 23.29.08 # ok 23.29.16 # the boot time seems long 23.29.32 # depends... 23.29.35 # the firmware is only in ram or on a hd partition ? 23.29.39 # in pram 23.29.40 # only ram 23.29.44 # ok 23.29.54 # I don't use the database feature... and defragment it once in a while... 23.30.01 # I guess some genius will be able to make it boot on hard drive 23.30.03 # it starts in about 4 to 5 seconds 23.30.14 # yeah, rockbox is booting from harddrive ;) 23.30.24 # the genius is LinusN who wrote the bootloader 23.31.37 Join cloudscapes [0] (~d8623c93@labb.contactor.se) 23.31.50 # ok, started mine now... almost full.. and not defragmented for some months.. booted in 11 secs 23.31.52 Quit cloudscapes (Client Quit) 23.32.08 # Tomas2: it's a nick 23.32.15 # or linus torvald ? 23.32.19 # haha 23.32.19 # :-? 23.32.25 # mine takes almost a minute to boot 23.32.28 # there are other people named linus, you know 23.32.33 # Got an Rbx config question 23.32.37 # i use the db feature and have about 30gigs of mp3s 23.32.45 # preglow: not in france ;) 23.32.51 # mirak: his real name is Linus Nielsen 23.32.55 # ok 23.33.03 # that's probably like Jean Paul there 23.33.04 # no, i expect most linus's are found in sweden/finland 23.33.11 # mrf 23.33.14 # hello 23.33.17 # hi 23.33.27 # how about the autonomie ? 23.33.32 # ghehe... I can't type linus... always becomes linux then backspace and s 23.33.32 # the battery lenght 23.33.42 # 4x the ipod time :P 23.33.45 # 16 hours 23.33.53 # but i think shorter when you record a lot 23.34.12 # so virtually, iRiver can read any open source sound codec 23.34.20 # ? 23.34.21 # well... no.. 23.34.30 # no ? 23.34.31 # not FLAC and that kind of things 23.34.35 # why ? 23.34.39 # eventually it will for sure 23.34.39 # you mean not yet. 23.34.44 # heh 23.34.45 # iRiver didn't implement it 23.34.46 # flac already decodes in real-time 23.34.48 # I mean in the futur 23.34.51 # but when rockbox is ready 23.34.52 # yes 23.34.57 # what is the iriver incapable of doing? 23.34.59 # if the rockbox could play sound right now, it would play flac 23.35.00 # ok, so I am very interested 23.35.05 # playing divx video 23.35.09 # divx ? 23.35.11 # FLAC? 23.35.11 # AC3 :) 23.35.20 # he asked what the iriver's incapable of doing. 23.35.21 # Soul_Eater: sound compression format 23.35.27 # there is not a screen on the thing you showed me 23.35.31 # well 23.35.33 # it wont do your laundry 23.35.33 # uh... I heard they were going to add ac3 23.35.39 # you can't use it as a rocket to the moon yet 23.35.47 # through optical out 23.35.47 # HCl: the one with a screen 23.35.47 # and you can't clean with it yet 23.35.49 # HCl: coffe would be enough 23.35.52 # and it won't solve the food problem. 23.35.56 # It's not a HHGTTG :) 23.35.58 # and um... 23.36.01 # mirak? screen? 23.36.01 # like myfile.flac 23.36.05 # what do you mean? 23.36.11 # Tomas2: he talks about divx 23.36.17 # ooooh 23.36.32 # it can play some video things in gray scale afaik 23.36.35 # but not divx 23.36.37 # not yet. 23.36.39 # lol 23.36.56 # wel... i don't think divx will be supported soon.. 23.36.59 # how expensive is it ? 23.37.05 # that's one little problem ;) 23.37.10 # in grayscal that's really not worth 23.37.30 # and I don't have Steve austin eye 23.38.00 # rofl 23.38.16 # audigy 2 pcmcia has optical line in/out same way the iriver's do it 23.39.50 # yeah, my dvd player has it too... but I used it just once... to test iriver :) 23.40.08 # my cable decoder have it too 23.40.15 # but it's not activated/able 23.41.10 # wow mp3 record up to 320kbps 23.41.18 # I am really more and more interested 23.41.29 Nick God`damn`EU is now known as Synaesthesia (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 23.42.09 # I wish logitech made a 7.1 speaker set 23.42.15 # their 5.1 sets are excellent 23.42.28 # I have a megaworx 550 23.42.38 # it's powerfull 23.42.49 # there is not much configuration possible 23.42.50 # DMJC: logitech rocks 23.42.58 # I have a Z-640 also 5.1 23.43.03 # cheap... and really good 23.43.33 # if you need optical things, logitech is the way 23.43.47 # I didn't needed them 23.44.05 # z-640 is awesome 23.44.15 # as I was saying.. I wish they made 7.1 :( 23.44.59 # wich one do you have? 23.45.12 # Tomas2: who ? 23.45.17 # DMJC 23.45.48 # altec lansing 4.1 23.45.59 # their older speakers 23.45.59 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 23.46.20 # been looking at upgrading for a while 23.46.41 # but I want a 7.1 set for my audigy 2 plat pro 23.47.14 # Tomas2: can you do sport with it ? 23.47.31 # with iriver? 23.47.36 # DMJC: there is the cambridge mega work 7.1 23.47.38 # worx 23.47.40 # Tomas2: yes 23.47.44 # well... I do run with my dog with it... 23.47.48 # lol 23.48.02 # but i don't tennis with it or something ;) 23.48.10 # do you consider it's a problem to not be able to record radio ? 23.48.11 # it still is a harddisk... 23.48.24 # no, when do you ever want to record radio? 23.48.32 # mirak: rockbox will most likely fix that 23.48.34 # when there is ads 23.48.36 # I love ads 23.48.40 # I love to record them 23.48.41 # my stereo can do that too... I never use it.. 23.48.53 # I am kidding again 23.49.06 # well, some time there is good jazz concerts on radio 23.49.22 # http://www.btefnet.net/gettorrent/Dr.Who.S27E01.Rose.DVDScr.%5BBT%5D.torrent 23.49.25 # Bagder: fix what ? 23.49.30 # lol leaked 3 weeks ealry! 23.49.33 # mirak: record from radio 23.49.35 # early even 23.49.36 # radio recording on the H1x0 might not sound all too good, rumours say that the radio receiver picks up interference from the hard drive 23.49.41 # that's funny 23.49.45 # ah 23.49.49 # Bagder: ok thanks 23.49.59 # LinusN: well, there's bound to be reason why they disabled it. 23.50.01 # LinusN: how can they tell when it can't record from fm? 23.50.08 # Bagder: it can 23.50.10 # Bagder: iriver disabled it 23.50.13 # those naughty BBC insiders. I wonder if there will be a witch hunt :) 23.50.18 # ? 23.50.24 # what? radio recording? i thought it wasn't possible? 23.50.25 # they can but they can't? 23.50.33 # should i have read the backlog or something? :V 23.51.26 # LinusN: how far is the radio code? is it possible to control it? 23.51.29 # the hardware allows recording from radio 23.51.30 # paradoxes have to be accepted with iriver 23.51.34 # sweet. 23.51.45 # Got an Rbx config question. IMO, the way it looks in the archos screenshots, it seems incredibly cramped, everything is kinda shoved together 23.51.47 # i wouldn't even care how bad it would sound 23.51.52 # Tomas2: we already have drivers for the radio chip, all we need to do is port them to the iriver 23.51.57 # will the iriver config options not be as cramped? 23.52.11 Nick Tomas2 is now known as TomasS (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.52.11 DBUG Enqueued KICK TomasS 23.52.17 # damn in use... 23.52.23 Nick TomasS is now known as TomasX (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.52.23 DBUG Enqueued KICK TomasX 23.52.26 # :) 23.52.28 # should be pretty easy to filter out the disk noise 23.52.35 # unless the head activity bleeds over as well 23.52.42 # there are to much tomas's on this network :P 23.52.49 # we'll have to see 23.53.00 # Soul_Eater: the iriver version will make use of the larger display, if that's what you mean 23.53.33 # TomasX: how much did you bought it ? 23.53.42 # gift.. 23.53.50 # so Idon't know 23.54.02 # it will be nice when i dont have to wait 1 minute+ for my iriver to boot... 23.54.04 # but saw it on informatique.nl for about 300 euro's 23.54.07 # do you want me to tell you ? TomasX ? 23.54.12 # :) 23.54.19 # ok 23.54.30 # I am in euroland too 23.54.31 # TomasX: what model? 23.54.36 # H120 = 20 gb 23.54.38 # I got a fake 2 euro coin 23.54.45 # for 300 euro? 23.54.49 Quit midk_ ("Leaving") 23.54.50 # it's weird 23.54.59 # don't know what it costs now? 23.55.08 # anyone know roughly what 300 euro is USD? 23.55.13 # I can't use it in automatic distributors, but I am sure I can pay with it 23.55.16 # yeah... 300 / 1.3 23.55.26 # i got my 140 for $440 23.55.31 # eh 300 * 1.3 sorry 23.55.36 # ahh 23.55.40 # 390 dollars 23.55.43 # for a 120 23.55.46 # I got my 120 before the 140 came out 23.55.47 # 300 EUR (Germany Euro) = 397.287 USD (United States Dollar) 23.55.48 # begin this summer 23.55.49 # for like $400 23.56.08 # i got my 140 when they were brand spankin new 23.56.19 # I got it in june 2004... 23.56.26 # which was well over a year ago now and there really isnt anything better ouit 23.56.27 # so it's almost a year old 23.56.35 # unless your into stupid color displays with smaller HD's 23.56.52 # lol 23.57.02 # I want to get an h3x0 when rockbox is ported to it 23.57.17 # has anyone messed with the PMPs? 23.57.18 # i guess, if you want mobile porn 23.57.18 # I have found a iHp-120 for 350 euro 23.57.21 # No response to my Dr Who news. No fans then? It's a new series ya know :) 23.57.23 # 355 actually 23.57.31 # http://shop.informatique.nl/cgi-win/iqshop.xgi?M=I&A=430016 23.57.43 # it was 300 last summer there... in a action.. 23.58.05 # TomasX: http://www.materiel.net/details_H320SE.html is it an equivalent ? 23.58.19 # no 23.58.25 # that's with a color display 23.58.41 # they don't sell h120 on my favorite online shop 23.58.41 # and a french text... 23.58.46 # :) 23.58.50 # lol 23.59.01 # Capacité disque dur : 20 Go