--- Log for 21.03.105 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 days and 23 hours ago 00.00.16 Join muesli_ [0] (muesli_tv@c-180-220-102.cvx-h.dial.de.ignite.net) 00.00.23 Quit preglow ("off") 00.02.43 # lol. 00.02.51 # well, i hadn't set the proper sample rate.. 00.03.08 # it should be 44100hz, stereo, right? 00.03.36 # I believe so, yes 00.04.25 # bah. 00.04.27 # still not working. 00.04.43 # i'll just commit it to cvs with a define around it to disable it for now, so people can look at it if they want to. 00.06.53 # * HCl commits.. :/ 00.07.19 # heh 00.11.05 # bah. 00.11.06 # :/ 00.13.55 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.56 Quit muesli_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.44 Join tvelocity [0] (tony@chan530-a151.otenet.gr) 00.18.09 # http://blogs.bl0rg.net/netzstaub/archives/000539.html <-- I want! 00.20.06 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.10 Join DeadMan [0] (Rori@deadman3000.plus.com) 00.24.36 # sup 00.25.16 # i wrote an sound driver for rockboy 00.25.18 # and it doesn't work 00.25.19 # you? 00.28.45 # I tried to get my fathers PC working but the drive is fubar 00.29.12 # mk 00.29.45 # and he was so hoping to get the thing working as he bought it second hand from some dodgey dealer down the road ;) 00.30.06 # heh 00.30.10 # thats never a good idea 00.30.16 # a second hand computer is second hand for a reason 00.30.17 # I did not say much to bruise his ego...I think he realised he was too impulsive 00.30.21 # either its broken or too old 00.30.36 # and the funny thing is 00.30.53 # he found another old PC laying out on the road (Old PIII 500) 00.31.02 # and that hard disk did not work either :D 00.31.21 # people throw p3 500's on the road where you live? O.o. 00.31.47 # so we went down PC World who we phoned beforehand (Head office) who said it was open until 5pm sunday and when we got there they had closed at 4pm :D 00.31.53 # Yes they do 00.32.13 # so we could not get another hard disk 00.32.35 # o.O. 00.32.43 # gee. i'd ask to send some my way. 00.32.49 # Oh and a AV connector box he bought does not supprt RGB via SCART so that has to go back too the shop. 00.32.54 # my server runs on p3 550mhz xeons... 00.32.56 # It was not my fathers day today :) 00.33.17 # av connector box? 00.33.22 # the only thing I own that does rgb via scart is my dvd player 00.33.25 # :-\ 00.33.30 # 4 way SCART switching box 00.33.32 # not very useful. 00.33.36 # a loooot of things that have scart inputs 00.33.42 # don't support rgb 00.33.50 # my sega mega drive does rgb by scart 00.33.56 # i can't hook it up to anything but a tv. 00.33.58 # yeah only 1 RGB input on the TV too 00.34.02 # and since we don't have a tv with scart 00.34.05 # and 3 devices that could do RGB 00.34.08 # it means i can't hook it up at all :/ 00.34.16 # ah well 00.34.25 # no scart at all?! what century do you live in? 00.34.34 # I looped 2 devices to AV 1 and used AV 2 on S-Video instead 00.34.49 # the century of campuswide wireless and 100mbit internet lines. 00.34.51 # he seems happy with that 00.34.54 # * rasher prods awk with sharp sticks 00.34.55 # and a cheap budget. 00.35.31 # I told him to throw out the PIII into the trash 00.35.38 # I can't be bothered with it 00.36.03 # more clutter 00.36.43 # eh. ok. 00.36.47 # wasteful neh? :) 00.36.53 # not very smart, you can probably sell it for at least 50$ 00.37.13 # maybe...it has 128mb of sdram onboard too 00.37.21 # onboard sdram? O.o; 00.37.26 # what kind of a motherboard is that? 00.37.35 # onboard not literally 00.37.51 # i don't understand why you throw stuff away like that... 00.38.30 # too much effort for not much gain 00.38.36 # yeah, if people throw away like that pIII's, you should build a beowulf cluster:P 00.38.59 # mhm. 00.39.07 # my server is a quad p3 00.39.32 # I know it could be rebuilt into something useful...like for some background tasks or someone might want it for basic stuff. But I could not be bothered 00.40.18 # I'm always upgrading and throwing stuff aside or away 00.40.38 # well. 00.40.40 # hm. 00.40.45 # *looks around his room* 00.40.50 # *spots 4 unused computers* 00.40.53 # i just. save them up >.>; 00.40.57 # lol 00.40.58 # since its a waste to throw away 00.41.03 # but i don't have much use for them either 00.41.26 # you could just have 'em fold 00.41.35 # Yeah I could have built stuff from old bits too. I decided to just stick with 2 PC's. My electricity bills are high enough 00.42.29 # if something is worth anything I ebay it anyhow 00.42.42 # heh.... 00.42.47 # lets see.. 00.42.49 # i have... 00.43.08 # one athlon 600 with 640mb ram and a 10gb hdd or so.. 00.43.13 # just laying around on my shelf dusting 00.43.24 # and a p75 and a p90 with no harddisk 00.43.28 # http://stats.distributed.net/team/tmsummary.php?project_id=8&team=18241 00.43.34 # ;-) 00.44.08 # I have a 800mhz PIII upstairs with 640mb of sdram being used as a fileserver for 1.2tb of hard disks 00.44.37 # i have a quad xeon p3 550mhz with 2gb of ram as my server.. 00.44.39 # it does nothing much else 00.44.47 # i wish i had 1,2TB in HDs too 00.44.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.44.59 # * HCl has around 360 in total or so. 00.45.06 # our filesharing net is my filestorage 00.45.09 # i don't really need filestorage 00.45.16 # i play movies and anime straight off our network 00.45.28 # when I run low on space I just buy the next biggest drive you can get at consumer level and shove it in a USB2 case lol 00.45.54 # stack em on top of each other 00.46.14 # nothing I have is even raid 00.46.40 # speed is not what I need nor is security since I tend to backup to DVD's anyhow 00.46.51 # I just use them as temp storage 00.47.12 # don't ask what for ;) 00.47.53 # 24gb is enough temp storage for me 00.48.05 # program updates, linux iso's and emails of course i guess! 00.48.22 # :P 00.49.22 # I should have just not worried about a hard disk and gave my father Knoppix on CD :) 00.55.02 Part MoosCamaro 00.55.44 # btw what was the stuff about getting audio working HCl? 00.55.53 # not. 00.55.56 # not getting audio working 00.55.57 # :p 00.56.08 # ICH 00.56.19 # ;) 00.58.27 # audio? who needs audio? just port more emulators to rockbox:P 01.00.54 # NOOOOO 01.07.41 Join Liehbeth [0] (~negk@68.191.245.114) 01.20.44 # ack. 01.31.31 # ack ack ack 01.31.33 # I think I need some serious weaponry for prodding awk now 01.31.46 # it's taunting me 01.32.56 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 01.33.11 # evening XShocK 01.33.17 # hi 01.34.55 # HCl: hi, did sound work in rockbox? 01.34.57 # rockboy 01.35.41 # Don't think so 01.35.50 # ok 01.44.06 # or maybe.. actually 01.44.16 # I'm unsure now :) 01.44.54 # :). 01.45.08 # I'm trying to find my usb cable to test what we have. 01.48.54 # * rasher snarls at Xfree86 01.49.14 # plz to be stopping the crashing 01.50.01 # :) 02.13.45 # I suspect that rockboy freezes with sound because it is given an un-aligned data size 02.14.11 # it would cause an intrerrupt being fired indefinitely. 02.14.17 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 02.18.17 # o.o! 02.18.21 # un aligned data size 02.18.22 # tell tell. 02.18.34 # it was a guess. :) 02.18.48 # i'm almost certain that rockboy has unaligned data sizes. 02.18.52 # anyways 02.18.59 # i wrote an audio driver for it 02.19.02 # its in cvs 02.19.03 # no.. i mean not multiple of 4. :) 02.19.15 # is it working? 02.19.22 # but when i try to use it, it crashes 02.19.22 # no 02.19.25 # it just freezes 02.19.26 # ok 02.19.37 # its probably a flaw in the api 02.19.47 # cause i don't think there's much to be wrong about my audio driver 02.19.52 # its disabled with a define by default 02.20.15 # rb->pcm_play_data(pcm.buf,pcm.pos,NULL); 02.20.15 # while(rb->pcm_is_playing()); /* spinlock */ 02.20.15 # pcm.pos = 0; 02.20.40 # i broke the iriver sim build, but someone is just gonna have to implement sound in the simulators to fix it.. 02.21.58 Quit asdsd (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.59 # thats the code for rockboy's audio driver 02.22.11 # what does this mean? should we expect audio on rockboy soon? 02.22.21 # don't expect anything. 02.22.33 # if it works, we'll mention it. 02.23.36 Join asdsd [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-24-22.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 02.23.44 # XShocK: anyways, rockboy simply calls a function when it needs to play audio, pcm.buf being the buffer, pcm.pos the amount to play, and it needs to finish playing before returning 02.23.58 # and it has to do some side things like returning 1 and setting position back to 0.. 02.25.02 # i understand. what i suspect is that in pcm_playback.c while setting DMA, it sets a bad size and position. 02.25.37 # and also it writes five ZEROS each 4096 byte buffer, hich is bug too since it will click each time. 02.25.49 # i honestly wouldn't know 02.25.50 # mhm. 02.26.02 # do you have cvs access..? 02.26.34 # no,i don't have access to it. i will try to fix it, and give it to someone 02.26.40 # *nods* 02.26.41 # okay 02.26.43 # i gotta go sleep 02.26.44 # 2:30 am 02.26.51 # gotta go to class at 1:30 pm 02.27.35 # see you 02.27.39 # night 02.30.39 Quit cYmen (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.35.38 # yep... interrupt fires and says it is configuration error 02.37.52 # sounds good 02.38.15 # (its always better to have a problem and know whats causing it than to have a problem and have no clue) 02.38.19 # but i'm asleep! 02.38.23 # *nods* 02.38.38 # i suffer from chronic sleep-chatting. 02.40.24 # :) 02.44.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.58.50 # i found the bug. 02.59.23 # dma_stop didn't have IIS2CONFIG = 0x800; line, but it has to has it 02.59.59 # on dma_stop it does not stop the DAC and it continues to request data 03.00.16 # ah.. 03.00.28 # so does the sound driver work now? or..? 03.00.40 # rockboy plays.. but i don't hear anything 03.00.45 # *nods* 03.00.46 # i had that.. 03.04.01 # ah well 03.04.03 # night. 03.04.09 # night night.. :) 03.20.59 Quit Camilo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.47 Quit tvelocity () 03.50.48 Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.54.45 Join F1^Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 04.02.54 # ufff.. there is sound... 04.03.05 # veeery bad,, but i hear music.. :) 04.03.22 # Hurray :) 04.03.57 # as expected quality is very bad, since it stops, and starts dac each time, whereas we need to continually write to buffer withour stopping. 04.04.21 # well as long as you know why 04.04.31 # i will do appropriate changes to rbsound.c 04.04.41 # yep, i know wh it is happening 04.05.13 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.05.55 # For some reason I am sitting here documenting the protocol of a totally irrelevant chat site 04.06.02 # I'm not really sure why.. 04.07.48 # :) 04.08.00 # I don't even use it :-\ 04.08.02 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.08.04 # but it's sortof fun 04.12.19 Quit Aison (Connection refused) 04.14.31 Quit F1^Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") 04.20.24 Quit QT (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.44.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.55.34 # i will finish the sound thingy with rockboy tomorrow 04.55.43 # now go to bed. 04.56.29 # i did that there are no clicks and glitches, but for some reason sound is veery strange, but i can hear msic 04.56.37 # bye all 04.56.38 # :) 04.56.40 # goodnight 04.56.43 # sounds great 04.56.57 # :) 04.56.59 Quit XShocK (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 05.21.54 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EABBF2.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.13.18 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-123-178.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.27.20 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-122-197.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.27.34 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 06.27.36 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-122-197.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.30.47 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a241.wi.tds.net) 06.35.05 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-123-167.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.35.19 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 06.35.21 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-123-167.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.41.19 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 06.41.24 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-123-167.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.41.35 # arghl 06.44.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.49.20 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.02.27 # * rasher struggles with entering a ^[ into $EDITOR 07.08.56 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-177.VIC.netspace.net.au) 07.13.53 Quit Lost-ash ("Leaving") 07.13.57 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-177.VIC.netspace.net.au) 07.14.09 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 07.14.19 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-120-177.VIC.netspace.net.au) 07.19.46 Join courtc_ [0] (~court@adsl-33-161-167.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.20.52 Quit courtc (Nick collision from services.) 07.21.04 Nick courtc_ is now known as courtc (~court@adsl-33-161-167.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.57.19 Join SeeSchloss [0] (~SeeSchlos@ARennes-352-1-7-68.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.28.34 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.28.35 Quit DMJC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.29.28 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 08.45.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.43 Join stevenm [0] (~steve@pcp04427648pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 09.06.57 # hello people 09.07.02 # anyone seen stripwax around ? 09.09.12 # stripwax (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) signed off 7 days and 10 hours ago 09.09.26 # "/msg logbot seen stripwax" 09.14.16 # /msg seenserv seen stripwax :) 09.14.47 # hehe 09.15.18 # quite a big diff 09.23.12 # morning 09.24.04 # gooood morning 09.25.39 # Someone explain to me why I haven't slept, because I sure don't know 09.26.16 # you're a tool with no ability to plan your life adequately? :) 09.26.31 # That's probably it 09.26.50 # I ended up documenting a silly chat protocol of some Danish youth chat thing 09.27.17 # lord knows why, I haven't used it seriously for years 09.27.34 # god. and i thought i was nuts by finishing an assignment that's not due for a month and a half 09.27.55 Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@atmedix.cs.uni-sb.de) 09.28.11 # but I now have an awk script that can read tcpdump input and output an irc-style and coloured log 09.28.39 # which is highly fun 09.28.51 # haha 09.29.14 # so now you can use telnet to IRC, and still get fancy colours! ;-) 09.31.09 # haha, well not really 09.39.48 # But I have a firm and sincere dislike in awk 09.39.55 # it's a crazy, crazy language 09.40.08 # I agree 09.40.30 # so I never use it for anything but one-liners really 09.41.05 # it fit this problem (read a line of tcpdump, format it according to contents) pretty well 09.41.13 # so 09.43.50 # XShocK did some work on the pcm output tonigiht 09.44.05 # I think, or maybe it was just rockbox 09.44.11 # rockboy 09.54.35 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.04.20 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 10.09.43 # 375 open feature requests :-O 10.09.49 # yeah 10.09.53 # we're drowning 10.10.34 # some of these are really silly 10.10.47 # I intend to make the script make two lists 10.10.55 # one with higher prios, and one with lower 10.11.04 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 10.11.13 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=829262 so he wants to magically create itallic and bold versions of tiny bitmap fonts?! 10.12.01 # yes, we could close a bunch of them 10.12.08 # simply rejected 10.12.43 # I can imagine 10.15.18 # I guess some of them have been implemented and just not closed 10.15.35 # a few, yes 10.15.46 # but we've closed most of the fixed ones I believe 10.15.58 # ah okay 10.16.17 # there are 1146 entries in total 10.16.37 # oh my 10.16.50 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 10.17.00 # morning preglow 10.17.33 # 194 of them has been set to fixed 10.17.58 # 109 duplicates, 304 rejected 10.18.07 # heh 10.18.19 # Duplicates make baby jesus cry 10.18.43 # actually, the feature-requests don't add much value to the project imho 10.19.10 # morning 10.19.25 Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9ECEEC1.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.20.13 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=687382 that seems mad 10.21.04 # so he wants to hog 3 entire buttons for these modes 10.21.25 # if you feel like having a go at cleaning it, I'll add you as tracker admin... 10.21.41 # I don't think I know enough to do this 10.21.42 # hahah 10.22.20 # i like https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=968228&group_id=44306 10.22.49 # hahah 10.22.55 # That's rich 10.24.58 # rockbox, rockbox on the wall... ;) 10.25.13 # hah 10.27.56 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=851401 10.28.01 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=725390 10.28.04 # duplicates 10.28.07 # plus a patch exists 10.29.58 # 1086667 is a duplicate of 680598 10.31.51 Join Schnueff_ [0] (~mah@atmedia.cs.uni-sb.de) 10.33.29 # 676532, 851401, =725390 10.33.29 # 10:28 duplicates 10.33.44 # accidental paste, but that's nonetheless correct 10.33.53 # haha 10.33.54 # those 3 are indeed duplicates (all a-b repeat) 10.34.02 # rasher: Algorithmically creating bold and italic versions of bitmap fonts isn't that far fetched. AmigaOS does that, and it doesn't look too bad 10.34.30 # for bitmap fonts?? 10.34.51 # I'm more concerned about the size.. mmost of them are tiny 10.35.04 # indeed 10.35.26 # https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=968228&group_id=44306 10.35.27 # preglow: Yes, for bitmap fonts (only!) 10.35.31 # accidental paste 10.35.39 # shitty laptop keyboard 10.35.50 # amiconn: hah, what resolution were they in? 10.36.04 # The same resolution as on the screen. 10.36.28 Quit Schnueff (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.36.29 # 621820 <-- also a-b repeat 10.36.38 # The default Amiga font is Topaz 8, which is (small wonder) 8 pixels high 10.36.46 # but im off 10.37.06 Quit preglow ("leaving") 10.40.22 # The algorithmic emboldening, although simple, works considerably well. (1) Take the glyph pattern (2) Shift it one pixel to the right (3) OR it with the original pattern. This would e.g. create an 'atadore' look-alike from the default rockbox font 10.41.03 # fair enough 10.41.31 # atadore is plain lovely 10.42.52 # how about itallics? 10.43.21 # The italicze algorithm is similar (1) Take the original pattern (2) Start at the bottom, go upward (3) For every 2 pixel lines going up, shift the pattern one more pixel to the right 10.43.52 # and that actually works? 10.44.03 # I mean, I get the idea, but does it look right? 10.45.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.47.38 # The result doesn't look as good as the emboldening, but it works 10.48.09 # fun 10.49.04 # In fact that's a good idea imho - maybe I'll give it a shot 10.50.52 # Heh 10.51.10 # were you the one who wanted to look at the viewer? 10.51.11 # oh my god, i've created a monster! 11.07.46 # indeed 11.11.58 # oh boy, an etch-a-sketch plugin 11.12.03 # WHY IS THIS NOT IN ROCKBOX?! 11.24.14 Quit stevenm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.25.13 Quit asdsd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.36.32 # i was actually considering building myself a timetable app recently. 11.36.55 # but then i realised i've got too much other crap to do first :( 11.37.08 # s/app/plugin/ 11.46.27 Quit Liehbeth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.53.22 Join DJ_Dooms_Day|BR [0] (~scottr@dialup-161.51.194.203.acc02-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) 11.53.36 # Heya 11.53.43 Nick DJ_Dooms_Day|BR is now known as DJ_Dooms_Day (~scottr@dialup-161.51.194.203.acc02-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) 11.56.38 Join Liehbeth [0] (~negk@68.191.245.114) 11.59.58 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7F91C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.11.33 Nick kergoth is now known as kergoth`zzz (~kergoth@covenant.kergoth.com) 12.12.43 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.16.58 # hey linus.. 12.17.28 # Heya 12.17.33 # xshock found a bug in the audio driver.. and he said he got rockboy sound to work, though it sounded strange and not right yet.. 12.17.46 # Can someone give me me a few pointers on how to set up a wiki? 12.18.12 # I've registered, but i have NO clue as to how i start documenting and changing the topic to something else 12.18.29 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.18.29 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7F91C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.19.17 # HCl: strange and not right? 12.19.32 # well, let me search and paste what he said.. 12.19.46 # 04:54 < XShocK> i will finish the sound thingy with rockboy tomorrow 12.19.46 # 04:54 < XShocK> now go to bed. 12.19.46 # 04:55 < XShocK> i did that there are no clicks and glitches, but for some 12.19.46 # reason sound is veery strange, but i can hear msic 12.19.47 # 04:55 < XShocK> bye all 12.20.35 # the pcm driver is not designed to be started over like that 12.20.50 # it will generate huge clicks the restarting 12.21.06 # yea, he said something like that.. 12.21.14 # that's because it starts the dma in a non-optimal way 12.21.35 # still, restarting the dma should never be needed 12.21.40 # Ok, how about a wiki tutorial atleast? 12.21.51 # DJ_Dooms_Day: what is the problem? 12.22.34 # Im starting a wiki for the iriver Rockbox theme design, i've registered at the wiki, but i have no clue as what to do next 12.23.16 # there is no need for us to do a wiki tutorial, since there are already thousands on the net 12.23.36 # Ah ok, so its not individual to the site 12.23.44 # http://www.twiki.org/ 12.23.58 # (excuse my noobness here, never used a wiki before) 12.24.52 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 12.29.00 # LinusN: well, how am i supposed to do the rockboy audio driver then...? its in cvs at the moment.. 12.29.44 Quit Heidelbaer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.29.49 # i don't really know, the gnuboy sound api is a little weird 12.30.21 # Ahuh, ok i see how a wiki works now...its basicly a live-editable webpage true? 12.30.22 # it just submits sound to be played regularly.. 12.30.30 # from what i gather from reading the HACKING text, it outputs the samples in chunks 12.30.58 # and you are supposed to wait in pcm_submit() until all samples have been played 12.31.05 # yea 12.31.11 # at the moment i have it implemented like this.. 12.31.12 # Tell me one thing, how do i change the topic of my wiki 12.31.22 # rb->pcm_play_data(pcm.buf,pcm.pos,NULL); 12.31.22 # while(rb->pcm_is_playing()); /* spinlock */ 12.31.22 # pcm.pos = 0; 12.31.22 # return 1; 12.31.24 # but what about the time between the calls to pcm_submit()? 12.31.38 # it does emulation in that time 12.32.16 # its a typical example of a non streaming format.. 12.32.46 # but in 44100 Hz, you don't have many microseconds between the samples 12.33.02 # so we will probably need to set the sample rate back to 11025 12.33.11 # yea, the sample rate was originally 11025 12.33.27 # we'll probably need something in the api that allows you to set sample rate etc.? 12.33.32 # and get rid of the click on pcm dma restart 12.33.40 # HCl: yes 12.36.33 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-171-89.tpgi.com.au) 12.36.56 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 12.37.32 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-171-89.tpgi.com.au) 12.40.06 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m224.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 12.40.17 # Hey all 12.41.09 # Gah, where do i put these 'set' preferences in my wiki? 12.44.58 # DJ_Dooms_Day: which ones? 12.45.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.18 # Set ALLOWTOPICCHANGE = 12.47.14 # in your own page 12.47.38 # ...and wheres that? :P 12.47.46 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScottRichmond 12.47.59 # Under EDIT? 12.48.10 # yes 12.48.16 # I have 12.48.27 # change "Rockbox Graphical UI Editing" to "ScottRichmond" 12.49.02 # then ScottRichmond is the only user allowed to edit the ScottRichmond page 12.49.41 # ...but i can SEE the set preferences, arn't they ment to be code? Where you see it only in raw form? 12.49.55 # and i want to change the topic name 12.51.02 # the ScottRichmond page is the page associated with your user 12.51.34 # the topic is "Scott Richmond" 12.51.37 # ...ok, so how do i create another topic then? 12.51.41 # it's about you 12.51.48 # HCl: you do know that there are red builds still? 12.52.09 # DJ_Dooms_Day: enter a new topic in the "Go" field 12.52.28 # Bagder: i can add a nosim check.. but eventually it needs to be implemented in the sim.... 12.52.48 # I'd prefer anything that fixes the red 12.52.57 # didn't really think disabling it for the sim would be appropriate.. 12.52.59 # okay.. 12.53.37 # my guess is that it'll be a while before the sim can play sounds fine 12.55.02 # fixed 13.04.50 # Woo! I made my first wiki ever :/ 13.05.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxGraphicalUIDesign 13.06.43 # I already answered many of those questions 13.07.20 # hm 13.07.25 # they're answered below 13.07.35 # heh 13.07.41 # odd choice imho 13.07.58 # for what? 13.08.07 # to first ask questions and then later on answer them 13.08.28 # thier C&P from the forum thread i made 13.08.33 # Im updating my self 13.08.53 # Would you rather i just get rid of the top shit? 13.09.13 # no, it explains your goal and objective 13.09.37 # True that, i actually ment the questions 13.09.48 # Meh, i'll just leave it 13.09.57 # I think you could rephrase them into a "info about the image format" 13.10.12 # Yeah, i should probably update that 13.10.43 # Do i use a wiki like this? Writing in updates? Or do i just keep updating it kind of like a FAQ? 13.11.23 # I don't understand the difference 13.12.03 Part LinusN 13.12.26 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.12.40 # Well, the way i'm doing it now is that i don't EDIT things, i just update them with you sections. 13.12.49 # you=new 13.13.07 # ok, I see. no I think editing is better 13.13.15 # ok, good 13.13.29 # you can still browse previous edits/versions if you want to 13.13.53 # yeah, so i saw 13.18.17 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 13.18.41 # hi 13.19.40 # Heya 13.21.11 # ah just the person I needed ;) 13.21.17 # I was looking for you yesterdat 13.21.18 # t=y 13.21.24 # saw my forum post? 13.22.21 # heh yeah 13.22.34 # t0mas: yesyerday? ;) 13.22.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxGraphicalUIDesign 13.22.41 # Damn it! 13.22.44 Join Patr3ck_ [0] (~patr3ck@pD9ECEC3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.22.54 # Why doesn't ENTER work in these wiki's? 13.23.33 # DJ_Dooms_Day: ? 13.23.44 # amiconn: yesyesyesthatday :P 13.24.02 # I push enter to start a new line and when i preview it, it hasn't created a new line 13.24.17 # you should read up on wiki formatting 13.26.04 # DJ_Dooms_Day: maybe you should put the correct settings in the wiki too? 13.26.05 # Bah, so its one of those things where you can only create paragraphs? 13.26.08 # not just that you solved it? 13.26.17 # I am now 13.26.35 # ...or do you mean settings FOR the wiki? 13.26.49 Quit Patr3ck (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.26.57 # no 13.27.01 # the settings for the image 13.27.25 # ow btw... question for LinusN/amiconn or some other devver... 13.27.39 # What do you mean? How i did it? 13.27.43 # The way I display an image in a plugin... can it be used in normal code too? 13.27.44 # DJ_Dooms_Day: in the edit screen, there is a link to the wiki formatting faq below the editor 13.27.54 # DJ_Dooms_Day: yes, the way you did it 13.28.03 # t0mas: yes 13.28.27 # ok, maybe I'll try to make a patch for iRiver to display images on wps... 13.28.29 # Linus, i've read it 13.28.37 # so creative's like DJ_Dooms_Day can make a nice interface 13.28.59 # I saw nothing about starting a new line, except for creating paragraphs 13.29.30 # Check the wiki now tom 13.29.31 # some html formatting works too, like
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13.30.19 # nice DJ 13.30.26 # brb.. 13.30.43 # yeps, the wps code could be made to accept an image to use as "background" 13.30.56 # Whats wps? 13.30.57 # would be cool 13.31.01 # but then we'd need some kind of margins too 13.31.41 # Bagder: a %ls (line size) wps option? 13.31.56 # DJ_Dooms_Day: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#WPS 13.32.28 # yes, something like that 13.32.57 # hm... who coded the wps functions? 13.33.05 # Ahuh 13.33.10 # t0mas: does it matter? 13.33.10 # t0mas: looooads of people 13.33.23 # Well i was told most of the interface are not really bitmaps, but fonts 13.33.23 # * dwihno passes some WPS all around 13.33.29 # ok, I was just searching for someone who know's how they work ;) 13.33.37 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.33.38 # I've read the code this night... 13.34.00 # seem's not to hard to make a background image for it 13.34.09 # not at all 13.34.25 # Ok, how should I make it configurable? 13.34.38 # extra line in wps file? 13.34.49 # sounds good 13.34.56 # try to follow the set syntax 13.34.59 # already set 13.35.16 # hm... my first idea was to check for a firstline like: bg: image.bmp 13.35.17 # problem is the scrolling lines will overwrite the image 13.35.20 # and load that image 13.35.39 # Hm... is that scrolling fullscreen? 13.35.46 # eg.. full width 13.35.49 # currently yes 13.35.51 Join underlord [0] (~underlord@c211-30-117-126.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.35.53 # that would be a completely new syntax 13.36.13 # hm... 13.36.19 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-121-25.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.36.38 # Sometime someone should change that... so they only clear the screenarea they are on... 13.36.57 # "they are on" 13.37.00 # ? 13.37.06 # if they scroll, they are full width 13.37.18 # the question is how wide it should be allowed to be 13.37.22 # yes... 13.37.38 # I ment a setting... so you can put something on the screen like: A: artist 13.37.45 # and that only the artistname is scrolling 13.38.07 # why? 13.38.24 # you mean you sometimes don't want to see the right end of a string? 13.38.39 # Welp, i'm gonna head to bed 13.38.41 # no... I mean that some parts of a line shouldn't scroll 13.38.45 # Catch you guys later 13.38.51 # c ya 13.39.08 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day () 13.39.10 # yes, that's why I suggst setting margins for the actual text/scroll part 13.39.36 # that would be a way 13.39.48 # * t0mas was thinking of something like textboxes... 13.40.05 # so you make a box (no border) and make that the scrolling area of a textline 13.40.07 # * amiconn wonders why someone would want an image in the wps at all 13.40.16 # sure, then set a box and then assign particular tags to the particular boxes 13.40.33 # * HCl doesn't even know how userfriendly rockbox is... will find out once music starts to work 13.40.34 # amiconn: well... obviously some people want a more graphical interface 13.41.03 Part LinusN 13.41.31 # Maybe... but a bg image is certainly not part of the interface 13.41.32 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.41.51 # its just looks 13.42.07 # but the "image replacement" tools for iriver is veeery popular it seems 13.42.10 # A bg image only takes resources.. and makes the actual content harder to read 13.42.24 # indicating iriver users like images taking precious screen real estate 13.42.54 # personally, i listen more to my player than look at it 13.43.02 # me too :) 13.43.06 # I would not use any silly pics ;-) 13.43.09 # it's usually in my pocket 13.43.22 # Bagder: no, you would use cool pics instead 13.43.29 # hahaha 13.43.32 # but still... if it's availible... you can see some people making usable intarface 13.43.34 # Å› 13.43.47 # I think it would be fun to support 13.43.52 # indeed 13.43.53 # Well, imho there is one place where images (icons) might make the ui more pleasing, and that is icons for the main menu 13.44.24 # * underlord neels before the rockbox gods, and prays that the iriver port rocks aas much as it looks like it will 13.44.37 # ghehe 13.45.39 # the rockbox gods? Are those the ones you claim all those goats we sacrifise? 13.45.43 # who claim 13.45.59 # yeps, those are the ones 13.46.04 # aah 13.48.22 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 13.50.43 Part LinusN 13.52.09 # i have a worthless kodak mc3 in the garage, is there no chance that i could make it worth something with rockbox, i heard somewhere in google that they use very similar hardware as the archos 13.53.40 # even if it is, it takes a lot of work 13.54.08 # ahh 13.55.33 # how do you upload new firmware to the flash in an iriver if your code screws up? do you have an external programmer wired in with the flash chip? 13.56.01 # when you reset rockbox, it reboots into the original iriver firmware 13.56.15 # then you can reflash using that 13.56.38 # as in turn off and turn on or the pen button on the base of the unit? 13.57.13 # the reset button in the base 13.57.34 # and if rockbox works, you can just hold rec to boot straight into the original firmware 13.58.26 # so this is a software solution which depends on rockbox not being totaly screwed up or is there something cool in the hardware of h1xx? 13.58.48 # there's nothing cool, no 13.58.58 # hrmmm 13.58.59 # you can brick it 13.59.12 # brick it? 13.59.19 # turn it into a brick 13.59.23 # oh 13.59.24 # ie dead 13.59.25 # i see 13.59.42 # that's a risk you take by doing this 13.59.43 # does that happen alot O_o 13.59.49 # not a single case yet 14.00.03 # ooh 14.00.31 # well im thinking i'll hold on till the warrenty is over before i start playing with custom formwares, which is a while 14.00.46 # chicken 14.00.49 # ;-) 14.01.21 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 14.01.41 # the things are allmost out of production (or maybe they totaly are?) and even if they wernt i couldnt afford to replace it, the bass is too good to go back to using my pc's sound system 14.01.44 # * t0mas flashed it... and it works... 14.02.11 # that's of course up to each and everyone 14.02.14 # and it's now displaying my test image :D 14.03.19 # nice 14.03.21 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@p3E9C3AFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.05.10 # hm... what was iriver resolution? 14.05.18 # 160x128 14.05.21 # k 14.06.04 # is there a faster way to test plugin's? 14.06.17 # not to do a total make, make install 14.08.31 # make a symlink to the build tree 14.08.35 Join Heidelbaer [0] (~h@p54808AAD.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.08.42 # ? 14.09.23 # in archos/.rockbox/rocks you make a symlink to the plugin in your build tree 14.09.34 # then you don't have to do make install 14.09.43 # but still make it... 14.09.52 # of course 14.10.01 # is there a shorter way for that too? 14.10.05 # not to do a full make 14.10.13 # but just something like make plugin's ? 14.10.33 # but it only rebuilds your plugin when you run make 14.10.34 # @#$%@#$% 14.10.46 # gah. 14.10.56 Join tvelocity [0] (tony@chan530-a213.otenet.gr) 14.11.20 # "A digital transmission system has a bit rate of 45 megabits/second. How many PCM voice calls can be carried by the system". that's great, what's the sample rate? 14.11.31 # i hate crappily worded assignments :( 14.11.38 # 8khz is a very common rate 14.11.53 # how long is a string? :-) 14.12.02 # 'PCM voice calls' -> 8 kHz 8 bit mono 14.12.09 # i know, but they've just specified 4KHz as the voice bandwidth. 14.12.29 # and nyquist tell you to double the rate 14.12.29 # so do i take it as 8samples /Hz? or 16 and make it an isdn line? 14.12.30 # Yes, and you need 8 kHz sample rate for 4 kHz bandwidth 14.13.08 Join Renko [0] (~jon@host81-152-87-169.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) 14.13.13 Quit Renko (Client Quit) 14.13.22 # 8000 8-bit samples/sec 14.13.31 # meaning 64kbit/s per channel 14.13.46 # LinusN: how can you arrive at doubling the rate when you don't know the signal level? or do you just take it as '1' (and thus log2(M) is 0...? 14.13.52 # i.e one ISDN B channel 14.14.09 # ashridah: signal level has nothing to do with it 14.14.16 # LinusN: yeah, but none of this is specified in the course material OR in the question :) 14.14.27 # read up on the nyquist sampling theorem 14.14.39 # the only nyquist function we've been given is bitrate = 2*bandwidth*log2(M) where M is the signal level. 14.14.49 # which comes back to the question sucking :) 14.15.12 # * ashridah notes that he already knows all of this from prior experience, andi s mostly bitching about the subject and it's shoddy lecturer 14.15.32 # The nyquist theroem is about frequency only, it doesn't say anything about bitrates 14.15.57 # log2(M) is the word size 14.16.32 # LinusN: so i'd use '2' then because it's binary? 14.16.49 # ashridah: so it all goes down to defining "PCM voice call" then 14.16.50 # and thus have log2(2) which is just 1, eliminating it, and making it a doubling of the sampling rate? :) 14.16.59 # LinusN: exactly :) 14.17.09 # again, which isn't specified anywhere 14.17.12 # ashridah: don't confuse "bit rate" and "sampling rate" 14.17.56 # true. 14.18.25 # 2*bandwidth gives the sampling rate, 2*bandwith*log2(M) gives the bit rate 14.18.47 Quit SeeSchloss (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.18.48 # bit rate = sampling rate * word size 14.19.36 # a normal pcm voice call is 8kHz 8-bit 14.19.45 # giving 64kbit/s 14.20.20 # yes. but they haven't said any of this in the lectures or in the tutes. :) 14.20.36 # but they still need to tell you about standard voice pcm rates 14.21.16 # maybe you slept during that lecture? or played marioland on your iriver? 14.22.16 # well, they didn't mention the standards. but i knew the typical sample rate = double highest frequency. from work i'd done previously. 14.22.35 # infact, the course has ignored isdn completely as far as i can see 14.22.37 # which seems odd 14.22.58 # <- slept during those lessons about Fourier Transformation :( 14.22.58 # since it's still decidedly prevalent if you're installign a connection of any kind of size here in .au 14.23.15 # kurzhaarrocker: god. i was awake for those. and they still mostly missed me :( 14.23.57 # useful knowledge though 14.24.32 # ... and up to date I was to lazy to learn how to fast fourier transform. 14.25.09 # well, few people know how it really works, and even fewer are able to actually code their own fft 14.25.43 # which is exactly the only task I'd like the knowledge for. 14.25.57 # in iriver is usb handled by some usb->hdd interface chipset or in the coldfire chip? 14.26.11 # chipset. 14.26.33 # ahh, no chance of usb to go then? 14.26.42 # usb to go? 14.26.49 # underlord: nope 14.26.52 # where iriver acts as usb host 14.26.55 # no. 14.27.00 # bugger 14.27.26 # wait a sec. this is suggesting that the bitrate is 8,000bps. that sounds absurdly low. 14.28.03 # ashridah: sampling rate, not bit rate 14.28.34 # okay. then my lecture notes are DEFINENTLY wrong. they state (and i quote "bit rate = 2 * bandwidth * log2(signal levels) 14.28.34 # 8000 samples/sec times 8 bits equals 64000 14.28.37 # " 14.29.01 # signal levels is 256 in this case 14.29.15 # giving 8 bits 14.29.16 # aaaah. 14.29.18 # now that makes sense 14.33.38 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225) 14.33.48 Join F1^Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 14.34.03 # does the command patch stop once it hits a hunk that it can't apply automatically? 14.35.07 # is the usb is handles by a seperate chipset is there anything technicaly stopping the firmware from playback while its connected? 14.35.22 # *if the usb... 14.35.33 # kurzhaarrocker: no. it leaves it in a .rej file and moves on to the next hunk 14.35.40 # underlord: yes, since the usb chipset is controlling the hard drive 14.36.16 # oh yeah 14.36.19 # but yes, we can still play from memory 14.36.32 # but not for long 14.36.36 # nope 14.36.43 # well, for many minutes at least 14.36.47 # in most cases 14.37.16 # wouldnt be possible to pause the usb chip for a few secs while the firmware gets more in to its buffer without upsetting the pc attached? 14.37.22 # no 14.37.40 # how much ram has it got? 14.37.46 # 32meg 14.37.54 # (if you mean iriver) 14.38.09 # yea, thats more than my first pc :P 14.38.17 # :-) 14.38.35 # i suppose they need a bit to get decent battery life 14.38.50 Quit Aison (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.38.51 Join SeeSchloss [0] (~SeeSchlos@ARennes-352-1-7-139.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.38.55 Nick F1^Aison is now known as Aison (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 14.39.53 # Thanx ashridah, that's what I assumed. My problem wasn't the "patch" command but the patch file. It doesn't contail all the changes. :( 14.40.15 # underlord: that's also partly a matter of cost. eventually it gets to the point where smaller chips cost more not less. 14.40.47 # why? 14.41.08 # harder to get 14.41.22 # more demand for bigger chips == lower price and higher availability. 14.41.28 # i would think heaps of things would still be using small chips though 14.41.30 # smaller ones get phased out 14.42.09 # and if it becomes cheaper to use a chip with more capacity at the same physical dimensions, you'll do it to save even as little as a few cents per unit 14.42.18 # over a run of 100,000 units, that adds up 14.42.26 # so you reccon theres enough power in the iriver to get away with chossfading? 14.42.40 # yes 14.42.50 # cool 14.43.01 # but we have some more codec optimizing to do before that 14.43.21 # ofcourse 14.44.05 # its quite boggeling how many file formats it looks like you will eventualy support 14.44.22 # hehe 14.44.24 # assuming people step up to the plate and build them 14.44.59 Join F1^Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 14.45.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.46.12 # midi support is crazy - the good kind of crazy though 14.46.39 # Software synthesis sounds like a no-go 14.46.56 # * DeadMan wonders why XP bluescreens with an NTFS error when copying it's installation files over at the very beginning of a fresh install 14.47.00 # though the wiki lists encoding as impossible, seems to me (crappy) encoding could be done by picking up the frequencies of notes from a fast fourier run in the input 14.47.33 # * underlord wonders what deadman expects from windows 14.47.53 # I've moved the memory to another slot to see if it was that 14.48.00 # DeadMan: that kinda requires untested hardware 14.48.12 # yeah it is sorta untested 14.48.25 # father bought it second hand from some dealer 'sold as seen' 14.48.40 # he didn't even test it properly before buying 14.48.53 # the hard disk was busted 14.49.13 # and was only 10gb and the video card is a sucky 16mb pci thing 14.49.33 # * kurzhaarrocker trashes the patch command 14.50.04 # but he's like "Oh it has a 15" LCD" and gets carried away and a bit ripped off if it don't actually work properly 14.50.39 # as it is he will have to get a new hard disk and some extra memory to run XP effectively 14.51.09 # But I don't like calling my father an idiot and that he just blew £200 on crap 14.51.43 # 15" lcd? 14.51.52 # small neh? :) 14.51.53 # i assume it's a laptop 14.51.56 # nope 14.51.57 Quit Aison (Connection refused) 14.51.58 # because that's fricking tiny 14.52.14 # He says he prefers is as he does not have a lot of space 14.52.19 # is = it 14.52.20 # lol 14.52.33 # what can I say 14.52.45 # I can say all kinds of stuff to him but bit my tongue 14.52.47 # DeadMan: with a screen that small, he's going to end up wasting space by pulling it closer to him 14.53.06 # and considering he has to put on his reading glasses to see anything... 14.53.38 # some folks are clueless about obvious stuff. Yet he is great with fixing cars and handyman type stuff 14.53.54 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 14.54.19 # * DeadMan shrugs...parents 14.55.11 # patch: **** malformed patch at line 128: @@ -29,12 +30,17 @@ 14.55.12 # grrrr 14.58.40 # I seems that each unchanged line in a patch file must begin with a space 15.04.25 Part MoosCamaro 15.08.00 # kurzhaarrocker: yeah, the first column is + for a change, - for a change, or blank for no change. 15.09.22 # * kurzhaarrocker fixes the patch file manually 15.10.27 Quit F1^Aison (Connection refused) 15.10.43 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.28.49 # blbllb 15.41.42 Part LinusN 15.48.00 Join asdsd [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-24-22.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 15.55.04 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 16.08.36 # wb.. 16.08.52 Quit webmind ("Exit, stage left...") 16.08.58 Join webmind [0] (~webmind@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 16.14.53 Quit webmind ("Reconnecting") 16.14.54 Join webmind [0] (~webmind@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 16.18.45 Quit Aison (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16.23.49 # HCl: the rockboy sound is just silence 16.26.52 # is it really sound then? ;-) 16.26.57 # brabbelbralbbel QUIEEEeek! 16.27.16 # strange sound 16.31.01 Part kurzhaarrocker 16.41.42 Quit lostlogic (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 16.43.01 Join jort [0] (~jort@prupert.xs4all.nl) 16.43.08 # hello 16.43.19 # hi 16.43.45 # I don't understand the "recent cvs activity" on the homepage... 16.43.49 # what is it? 16.44.00 # it is... recent activity in CVS! ;-P 16.44.01 # it isn't a new firmware for the jukebox.. 16.44.14 # but what does it tell me? 16.44.25 # it tells you what happens in the rockbox source tree 16.44.41 # or happened recently 16.44.45 # so, they announce what they've modified or something?! 16.45.01 # no 16.45.03 # I thought a firmware was only one file... 16.45.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.10 # "they" change source code 16.45.16 # it is 16.45.26 # firmware is a binary blob 16.45.30 # built from source code 16.46.02 # but what are all these apps/code etc. folders? 16.46.14 # source code folders 16.46.18 # they put all these files together and then call it a firmware and release it? 16.46.26 # they == us 16.46.31 # yeah, I know 16.46.34 # jort: basically, yes 16.46.40 # ok 16.46.41 # that's how programming is done 16.46.47 # its not unique for rockbox 16.46.53 # ALL programs are made this way 16.47.03 # cool 16.47.55 # always been a Windows user where the applications are written at some Microsoft no-enty for non-developpers room 16.49.07 Join Aramil [0] (tony@chan530-a213.otenet.gr) 16.50.05 # well, I've learned something today :) 16.50.49 # ok, I have a hardcoded background image for the wps... 16.51.40 # is that a good thing? 16.52.06 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7F91C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.52.28 # dudes, I won't bother you again (at least, not today). Good luck programming! 16.52.37 Join T0mas_ [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 16.52.43 Quit t0mas (Nick collision from services.) 16.52.49 Nick T0mas_ is now known as t0mas (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 16.53.08 # :X 16.53.59 Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9ECEC3F.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.54.18 # jort: you don't bother us by being here 16.55.01 Quit asdsd (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.55.01 NSplit sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.55.01 Quit tvelocity (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.55.01 Quit Patr3ck_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.55.01 Quit amiconn (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.55.01 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7F91C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.55.32 Part LinusN 16.56.19 # but I do if I just keep on talking hehe 16.56.23 # cya dudes 16.56.24 Quit jort ("Bezig met verlaten") 17.01.16 Join prpplague [0] (~dave@mailhost.amltd.com) 17.02.46 # linus: (not here but may be reading the log) i know, i got no sound either, and neither did xshock, at the beginning. he claimed to have gotten it to work though 17.05.56 # hmz... HCl? 17.05.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/NicolasGif_2.png 17.06.08 # the double line after the icon list on top... 17.06.12 # what's that? 17.06.14 # a bug? 17.07.09 # oh wait 17.07.09 # looks like a peak meter? 17.07.11 # peek meter 17.07.20 # yes, but it isn't working in iriver 17.07.33 # So I was looking at it... and couln't figure out what it was 17.10.56 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 17.17.05 Join thegeek_ [0] (na@ti521110a080-0416.bb.online.no) 17.26.09 Quit Aramil () 17.26.17 Join mecraw [0] (fwuser@69.2.235.2) 17.28.37 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.34.32 Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.58) 17.37.04 NHeal (timeout) sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.40.42 # er 17.40.53 # t0mas: is that the remote? 17.41.19 # what? 17.41.36 # the image? 17.41.41 # yeah 17.41.43 # no... that's an example wps 17.41.52 # example? 17.41.53 # I'm adding images to the wps :) 17.42.01 # what is wps? 17.42.09 # Sorry, while playing screen 17.42.19 # ah 17.53.30 Join G [0] (na@ti521110a080-0416.bb.online.no) 17.59.07 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 17.59.18 # HCl: i got it to work as well 17.59.35 # silly me, forgot to unmute the 1380 :-) 18.00.01 # sounds horrible though, we need to work a lot on the sound buffering on rockbox 18.00.04 # rockboy 18.02.28 Part LinusN 18.03.07 Nick G is now known as thegeek (na@ti521110a080-0416.bb.online.no) 18.03.48 Quit R3nTiL () 18.04.00 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.17 Quit Patr3ck () 18.12.20 Join wacky_ [0] (~wacky@modemcable011.4-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 18.23.10 # Poor father. Spent £200 on a 2nd hand PC that he can't get his money back on and it's faulty. EIDE controller appears to be busted. Anytime data is written to it the system blue screens or just crashes totally 18.23.38 # hmz... that's screwed up... 18.23.50 # * t0mas doesn't have that type of partens :) 18.23.55 # tested a few hard disks and same results. Errors trying to format or copy 18.24.03 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 18.24.08 # XP install falls over 18.24.12 # I coded my first Basic app with my dad... when I was 12 :) 18.24.59 # so he will have to spend at least another 200 on mainboard, cpu and fan and memory unless we can somehow test the memory out 18.25.12 # I don't have any DDR laying around to test it though 18.30.39 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (~munkee@abyss2.demon.co.uk) 18.37.54 # can you boot off cd? 18.45.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.00 # hm... 18.49.15 # anybody around who know's something about the wps files? 18.52.14 Quit Schnueff_ ("leaving") 18.57.40 Join prpplague^2 [0] (~dave@mailhost2.amltd.com) 19.03.46 Quit prpplague (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.04.18 Nick prpplague^2 is now known as prpplague (~dave@mailhost2.amltd.com) 19.06.15 # :D 19.06.22 # First wps screen mod is done: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=534.msg2438#msg2438 19.07.49 Join sofaSpud [0] (~john@200.119.59.13) 19.07.54 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.11.24 Join mattzz [0] (~mattzz@d050106.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.20.04 Join stevenm [0] (~steve@pcp04424903pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 19.20.28 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 19.28.23 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 19.34.51 Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a241.wi.tds.net) 19.36.32 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 19.37.04 # DeadMan: like i said, second hand pcs are second hand for a good reason 19.38.49 # most time yes... 19.39.01 # but I've bought my server in good state... secondhand... 19.39.03 # t0mas: now it looks like the standard firmware a bit O.o; 19.39.16 # HCl: it's nobby's design 19.39.17 # t0mas: well, there are the rare cases that good computers become obsolete 19.39.50 # well... my server is just one that got replaced... 19.40.03 # same for mine 19.40.07 # I tested it there with a knoppix/memtest cd... 19.40.15 # everything worked... 19.40.25 # so I bought it :) 19.40.28 # we got donated a whole serverblock of t-mobile 19.40.36 # one of their old servers is mine now 19.40.43 # but do you have a better idea for the wps? 19.41.08 # not yet, i think that things like next song might be useful 19.41.10 # * t0mas starts to like this source hacking a little :) 19.41.16 # yeah, it was on there 19.41.25 # the primary reason why i don't like iriver's usage of screen display 19.41.28 # but the next song thing isn't working right with iriver yet... 19.41.33 # is that it wastes space that can be used for useful info 19.41.51 # yeah, I had the last line like this: Next: Artist - title 19.41.58 # for 3 seconds.. 19.42.03 # then Next: filename.mp3 19.42.05 # for 3 seconds 19.42.10 # loop.. like that.. 19.42.39 # but on iRiver (or maybe only on simulator) the next song option doesn't really work 19.43.12 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 19.43.57 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-73-247.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.43.58 Join NibbIer [0] (~sven@port-212-202-73-247.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.44.00 Join xNibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-73-247.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.44.05 Quit NibbIer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.07 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.44.10 # lol 19.44.21 # hi, hi, hi, bye, bye 19.44.26 Nick xNibbler is now known as Nibbler (~sven@port-212-202-73-247.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.44.39 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 19.53.53 Join freakeh [0] (fweek@62-3-251-123.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 20.00.29 Quit freakeh ("whos col? :~<") 20.24.01 Join mirak [0] (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-52-185.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.24.02 # HI 20.31.47 # hi 20.32.11 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m224.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 20.44.25 # ghehe 20.44.39 # slowly making rockbox graphical is fun to do :) 20.44.57 # but there should be tought of a way to load images from disk? 20.45.04 # or only include them on iriver 20.45.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.45.29 # because the more graphics.. the more mem used 20.47.36 # hi 20.47.45 # I am using mencoder to split a file 20.47.58 # but it's weird it doesn't split it right 20.49.14 # read_bmp_file() 20.49.22 # anybody know's where this function is? 20.49.26 # in wich header? 20.49.56 # oh wait bmp.h 20.51.27 Quit Liehbeth (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20.59.58 Join Liehbeth [0] (~negk@68-190-48-83.cpe.ga.charter.com) 21.03.01 Quit stevenm ("Leaving") 21.04.05 # t0mas: you can just use a define so they're only compiled in for iriver. 21.04.49 # yeah I'll do that 21.05.25 # using read_bmp_file isn't a good idea 21.05.39 # would start the disk every time you open something using images 21.06.12 # nobody use mencoder here ? 21.06.52 # * t0mas doesn't 21.19.05 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.19.36 Part MoosCamaro 21.25.40 Join SeanHarris [0] (~icewizard@user-7287.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) 21.25.58 # hello? 21.26.26 # hi 21.26.53 # i deleated my operating system for my archos gminiXS 200.. 21.27.00 # am i totaly screwed? 21.27.19 # im trying to find some one who can send me the os 21.27.33 # Untill now I only did iRiver... 21.27.42 # So I think someone else can better help you 21.27.58 # ok, well i hoped to find some one on here thant owned one 21.28.05 # can could send me the OS 21.30.22 # well... it's kind of silent here... so maybe if you stay some time you might get lucky 21.30.28 Join Guest1046740 [0] (na@ti521110a080-0416.bb.online.no) 21.30.33 # heh, yeah.... 21.31.30 # i have posted on the forums too, so hopfully some one will see it there and can help... 21.33.59 Quit Aison (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.26 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 21.35.15 # does any one here own an archos gminiXS 200? 21.37.22 Quit SeanHarris () 21.40.30 Nick Guest1046740 is now known as thegeek (na@ti521110a080-0416.bb.online.no) 21.49.46 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 21.50.11 # hi all. 21.50.20 # here only for a couple of minutes. 21.51.08 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 21.51.09 # i did so that it does not start dma over 21.51.12 # hi linus 21.51.18 # hi 21.54.04 # the main bug was in dma_stop. it should have IIS2CONFIG = 0x800; in order to stop dac. in terms of it it fired CE error in DSR0 21.54.49 # i also changed a couple of things such as initiating UDA1380 in the start 21.55.16 # and also eliminated dac stopping and starting, 21.55.36 # i will try to polish it so that it works fine. now need to go. 21.58.55 # would be nice to see a patch 21.59.16 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 21.59.20 # i'm working on this myself as we wpeak 21.59.24 # speak 21.59.36 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-73-247.dynamic.qsc.de) 22.04.56 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 22.05.20 # XShocK: stopping the dac isn't the only solution, you can just as well stop the dma 22.07.36 # i guess by preventing the interrupt? 22.08.28 # i agree, but i think stopping dac is better, i hope it would save some energy. 22.08.28 # :) 22.09.43 # and by some strangeness it fired CE error in DSR0 with BCR0 being 0, which mean that dac was requesting data when it finishes, i added stopping of DAC and it worked fine. 22.09.53 # sorry, i need to go. cya 22.10.34 Quit XShocK (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 22.15.55 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-171-89.tpgi.com.au) 22.26.29 Join ARogan [0] (~a19f0415@labb.contactor.se) 22.26.52 # I have this weird problem with an archos jukebox recorder 20 v1 22.27.06 # within a 20 hr period. the device will just turn itself on 22.27.15 # just sitting on a table off. all of a sudden it turns on 22.27.32 # then the on button is kind of stuck for a while. after you mash it a bit. it works fine for another day 22.27.35 # any ideas? 22.27.45 # I think my archos has become self aware 22.30.02 # weird 22.33.24 # Linux? 22.33.30 # *Linus 22.33.33 # http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/wps-test.png 22.33.37 # first background idea 22.33.47 # with a little customed wps 22.34.58 # I've replaced the background plan with an overlay... because this doesn't get overwritten by textlines 22.35.14 # overlay? 22.35.25 # t0mas: we still need margins or similar 22.35.30 # calling it overlay doesn't solve that 22.35.48 # or textboxes 22.35.52 # what are those things on each side, above the progress bar? 22.36.00 # LinusN: After the lcd_clear you can paint something, and call it a background.. because it get's overwritten 22.36.17 # and before the lcd_update, you can do "overlay" because it overwrites everything else 22.36.22 Join tvelocity [0] (tony@chan530-a053.otenet.gr) 22.36.40 # Those things on the side are an idea of "nobby" on the boards 22.36.53 # but what are they? 22.36.53 # I just copy/pasted his interface idea... to test it :) 22.37.00 # nothing... just static images 22.37.06 # ok 22.37.13 # I guess he want's em to move like the iriver version 22.37.29 # and the 3 icons, are they separate bitmaps? 22.37.42 # nope, this is just a very basic "overlay" image 22.37.47 # just displaying 1 bmp over it all 22.37.57 # what happens when the test scrolls? 22.38.10 # Haven't fully tested 22.38.15 # but I guess it overwrites 22.38.22 # it will 22.38.29 # not sure.. 22.38.38 # background will be overwritten... 22.38.52 # but the overlay is painted just before the lcd_update... sa maybe it's intact... 22.39.08 # yes, it'll scroll under the icons 22.39.16 # the scrolling does lcd_update_rect() in another thread 22.39.16 # I guess 22.39.24 # ah right 22.39.29 # LinusN: in that case it will overwrite 22.40.00 # so maybe we should use the boxed idea we had this morning? 22.40.11 # to make scrolling happen in a box.. 22.40.37 # i have a patch that solves half the problem 22.41.05 # cool 22.41.15 # * t0mas was just thinking of how to do it ;) 22.45.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.57.15 # LinusN: how is your patch working? 22.59.21 # it extends the lcd_setmargins() function 22.59.46 # mainly for pupup menus, but it will work for the wps too 23.00.04 # however, the wps might want separate margins for each line 23.02.04 # hm... is it ok for me to try a rewrite of it? 23.02.19 # the wps is now just not designed for this kind of idea's 23.02.52 # and I guess it's less work to write a new format... than to try to get images and margin's into the one availible now? 23.09.40 Quit ARogan ("CGI:IRC") 23.10.56 # a new wps format? 23.12.16 # yes... 23.12.45 # or someone must have a great idea on how to get images integrated in the current format? 23.14.45 # it could simply be "%mf|filename|x|y" 23.15.44 # %mf|filename|x|y|z 23.15.48 # would work... 23.15.50 # z? 23.15.57 # before of behind text 23.16.13 # why would you want text and graphics on top of each other? 23.16.33 # but sure, we can support that 23.16.40 # text on top of a album cover graphic 23.16.40 # well.. because text lines overwrite the whole line... if you pad em with spaces 23.16.49 # so that should be on top 23.16.54 # ah right, and with multiple pics... 23.16.59 # but on top graphic's should be refreshed more 23.17.09 # text lines should not overwrite the whole line 23.17.14 # that would be stupid 23.17.15 # but they do :) 23.17.22 # %ia 23.17.26 # they DO yes, but we DO not support images 23.17.29 # would print: " Artist" 23.17.37 # and spaces are cleared... 23.18.02 # and I repeatedly mention margins or textboxes for a reason 23.18.07 # so maybe LinusN can fix this with the patch... so we don't longer use spaces... and we can use the simple %mf|filename|x|y format 23.18.54 # ugh. 23.19.00 # hi 23.19.01 # i hate hate hate hate hate math ;.; 23.19.03 # hi :( 23.19.35 # Bagder: I'll try to make that %mf|filename|x|y work tomorrow 23.19.41 # shouldn't be to difficult 23.19.45 # why do you hate math? 23.19.59 # t0mas: you were very quick so far! 23.20.16 # tvelocity: because i suck at it? 23.20.33 # can anyone tell me the total amount of letter permutations you can make of the word information? 23.20.36 # i see.. i love math :P 23.20.43 # Bagder: I had nothing to do this afternoon... 23.20.48 # :-) 23.20.57 # and I'm happy I can do something for rockbox now :) 23.20.58 # tvelocity: help me out? ;/ 23.21.42 # HCl: count the letters... and grab a GR... 23.21.47 # HCl, i love math, but i'm not studying mathematics. i don't know if i _can_ help you 23.21.59 # t0mas: gr? 23.22.05 # Grafische Rekenmachine 23.22.10 # t0mas: its not that simple cause of those crappy double letters. 23.22.11 # (Dutch) 23.22.21 # the O,N and I can be interchanged 23.22.38 # HCl: yes, substract those possebillity's afterwards? 23.22.52 # i don't know how many possibilities there are of that :/ 23.22.53 # pff... my typing starts to suck... 23.23.15 # 11! - (3*2!) ? 23.23.19 # i honestly have no clue :/ 23.24.04 # what exactly does the word permutation mean?:P 23.24.12 # eh... 23.24.21 # different combinations.. 23.24.28 # well you can permutate 1 and 2 in 1 2 and 2 1 23.24.33 # that are two permutations... 23.24.35 # yea.. 23.24.48 # 11! is the right start ;) 23.24.56 # nice 23.25.01 # that doesn't help me much :/ 23.25.20 # hmz... 23.25.47 # 1 2 2 -> 2 1 2 -> 2 2 1 23.25.51 # 3! = 6 23.25.58 # 11!/(2!)^3 ? 23.25.58 # 6 / 2 = 3 23.26.01 # toeval? 23.26.15 # arg... toeval = coincidence 23.26.18 # -i 23.26.26 # and it's bed time when I start typing like this... 23.26.34 # .... 3! = 3*2*1 so ofcourse 3*2 / 2 = 3 23.27.34 # it's 11! / 2 / 2 23.27.45 # (for 2 double characters) 23.27.47 Join mecraw_ [0] (fwuser@69.2.235.2) 23.27.56 # oh no... 23.28.00 # that's just for 1 double 23.28.20 # according to my notes its 11!/(2!)^3 23.28.32 # ^ being to the power of, not xor, obviously. 23.28.44 # gotta sleep, cu tomorrow 23.28.47 Part LinusN 23.28.49 # 11! / 2! is ok for 1 double 23.28.52 # but that barely brings me any closer to solving my assignment. 23.28.54 Join johntb [0] (Baumans@66.216.165.13.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 23.29.01 # so I guess 11! / 2! / 2! would be ok... 23.29.06 # okay, then i'll assume i got it right.. 23.29.48 # (not sure ;)) 23.29.50 # my next problem is that i need to count how many permutations there are where two consecutive letters occur more than once... 23.30.13 Quit tvelocity (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 NSplit sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.30.13 Quit thegeek (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 Quit einhirn (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 Quit matsl (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 Quit mecraw (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 Quit Bagder (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.13 Quit crash_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23.30.33 # * t0mas found it 23.30.44 # 11! / (2! * 2!) 23.30.54 # so (11! / 2!) / 2! is ok 23.30.56 # mhm... 23.31.08 # yea, so my (11! / (2!)^3) is right.. 23.31.14 # yes 23.31.44 # that leads to my next problem 23.31.48 # you have to devide it by all permutation's you can't distinguish 23.31.58 # yeah... 23.32.03 # that'll be you problem ;) 23.32.09 # how do i count how many permutations there are of the word information where a pair of two consecutive letters occur more than once. 23.32.14 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 23.32.37 NHeal sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 23.32.37 NJoin crash_ [0] (~crash@a15167580.alturo-server.de) 23.32.53 # well... I know how to do it for 1 pair... 23.33.26 # in AAADE you have 2! (D and E) * 3 (places where AAA can be) 23.33.42 # AAADE -> DAAAE -> DEAAA 23.35.06 # so maybe you can use that for the 2 character problem :) 23.35.27 # oh wait... 23.35.30 # *shakes his head and sighs* 23.35.55 # you were looking for permutation's with NN and OO in it right? 23.36.03 # alway's two of em? not just NN of just OO? 23.36.16 # hm.. wait.. 23.36.23 # there're only limited combinations of two pairs... 23.36.27 # information 23.36.28 # yes 23.36.30 # 9! 23.36.39 # yea 23.36.41 # I NN F OO R M A T I 23.36.54 # you can permutate that in 9! way's 23.36.56 # i mean, no o.o 23.37.31 # you have NI, ON, NO, IN... 23.37.36 # shit :P 23.37.46 # i think thats all of them.. 23.37.54 # what's the dutch question? 23.38.07 # its english, here: 23.38.11 # oh 23.38.23 # 7! * 4 23.38.25 # "in how many ways can one arrange all of the letters in the word INFORMATION so that no pair of consecutive letters occurs more than once?" 23.38.26 # doesn't that work? 23.38.34 # oh wait 23.38.37 # NOT... 23.39.06 # the 7! * 4 would be if you alway's wanted a pait together 23.39.08 # doh. 23.39.12 # i forgot OI and IO 23.39.13 # so 11! - (7! * 4) 23.39.14 # obviously.. 23.39.17 # damn... 23.39.54 # so 11! - (5! * 6) 23.39.57 # so there are 6 possibilities of a letter combo appearing more than once... 23.39.59 # something like that 23.40.17 # good luck 23.40.24 # thanks :/ 23.40.36 # gonna sleep :) 23.40.38 # c ya tomorrow 23.40.42 Quit t0mas ("good night") 23.44.02 NJoin tvelocity [0] (tony@chan530-a053.otenet.gr) 23.45.47 NJoin matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.46.04 NJoin Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 23.46.15 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.46.42 # hi 23.46.45 # back again 23.47.01 # (short sleep ;)) 23.47.48 # i wish i could sleep that short and be completely rested. 23.47.59 # i think i *might* be getting somewhere with my assignment... 23.48.16 # but i'll probably have it completely wrong 23.50.04 # as long as you have something ;) 23.55.02 # nope, horribly wrong 23.55.08 # even after correcting several bugs, its still wrong. 23.58.45 # *corrects another bug and gets an even wronger answer* 23.58.51 # goooooddd i hate math >.<;