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03.43.01 #       <Paleo> DO you have plan to support Archos GMini XS200 someday ?
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07.42.37 #       <QT> hi!
07.42.46 #       <QT> how about the iriver port of rockbox?
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07.43.08 #       <QT> anything already available for a user to install & run?
07.43.18 #       <LinusN> well, not really
07.43.34 #       <LinusN> you can install and run rockbox, but it won't play any music
07.43.41 #       <QT> ok. thanks. then i shall not bother you any longer and keep you away from important stuff to do :-)
07.43.47 #       <LinusN> :-)
07.43.51 #       <LinusN> don't worry
07.44.02 #       <QT> yeah. thanks
07.44.29 #       <QT> i haven't looked & read up the latest recently and was wondering what is going on
07.44.59 #       <LinusN> we're working on the internal changes to allow for the software codecs to run
07.45.33 #       <QT> internal changes of rockbox?
07.45.42 #       <LinusN> i'm renaming and moving things around to better fit the multi-codec architecture
07.45.48 #       <LinusN> yes
07.45.52 #       <QT> i see
07.46.06 #       <QT> wasn't it multi-codec in the past then?
07.46.12 #       <LinusN> rockbox has so far only run on the archos devices, which had a hardware mp3 codec
07.46.21 #       <LinusN> mp3 only
07.46.32 #       <QT> i see
07.46.42 #       <QT> and now you gotta look at ogg too?
07.46.46 #       <QT> any other codec?
07.46.46 #       <LinusN> oh yes
07.47.10 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs
07.47.28 #       <QT> how about recording?
07.47.55 #       <LinusN> to begin with, we will record to wav, and possibly a few lossless formats
07.48.09 #       <QT> losless recording can be useful sometime
07.48.35 #       <QT> i recently recorded a live DVD of Placebo and without MP3 recording it would have hit the filesize limit
07.48.45 #       <LinusN> we want mp3 recording, but there aren't any open source realtime mp3 encoders around
07.49.04 #       <LinusN> the iriver filesize limit is plain silly
07.49.21 #       <QT> i agree
07.49.37 #       <LinusN> abviously, rockbox doesn't have it
07.49.37 #       <QT> well, if that limit isn't there with rockbox, then i prefer WAV recording :-)
07.49.44 #       <QT> great!
07.49.59 #       <LinusN> rockbox has a limit of 2Gb, because of the FAT32 file system
07.50.11 #       <LinusN> but it will automatically continue in a new file
07.50.34 #       <QT> i thought FAT has a limit of 4GB
07.50.45 #       <QT> oh, that is such great news. thanks
07.50.51 #       <LinusN> that's correct
07.50.56 #       <QT> i am so happy to have bought the 'richt' player :-)
07.51.00 #       <QT> aehm right
07.51.11 #       <LinusN> but many FAT32 implementations have problems with >2Gb files
07.51.33 #       <LinusN> (because of signed 32-bit arithmetics)
07.51.58 #       <QT> 2GB is a good size anyway. no problem with such a limit
07.52.11 #       <QT> especially considering the encoder creates a new file on the fly
07.52.34 #       <LinusN> you can also split the file on custom time limits
07.53.13 #       <LinusN> like 74 minutes, for example
07.53.23 #       <QT> i buy that!
07.53.28 #       <QT> :-)
07.54.02 #       <QT> oh, FLAC support listed
07.54.08 #       <QT> that would be neat
07.54.18 #       <QT> i should ripped all my CDs to FLAC instead of MP3
07.54.53 #       <LinusN> :-)
07.55.58 #       <QT> btw, will the iriver port also run on other iriver players one day?
07.56.02 #       <QT> like the H10?
07.56.16 #       <LinusN> H10 is most likely out of reach
07.56.31 #       <LinusN> it uses the PortalPlayer chipset
07.56.39 #       <LinusN> same as ipod
07.56.39 #       <QT> pitty
07.56.46 #       <QT> as it seems to be a nice player
07.57.00 #       <QT> and i heard something about a 20GB version in the future
07.57.21 #       <LinusN> the portalplayer chipset documentation is secret
07.57.49 #       <QT> i see. again, i am happy to have bought the right player :-)
07.58.01 #       <LinusN> :-)
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08.03.04 #       <QT> have you ever been contacted by iriver since you started to work on a port?
08.03.10 #       <LinusN> nope
08.09.51 #       <QT> i wonder if they care about this......
08.10.05 #       <LinusN> i don't think they do
08.10.26 #       <LinusN> but on the other hand, they might do the same thing as archos started to do
08.10.35 #       <QT> which is?
08.10.42 #       <LinusN> i.e refuse repairs of devices with rockbox on them
08.10.44 #       <QT> never dealt with archis
08.11.00 #       <QT> ok, i would expect that
08.11.34 #       <LinusN> i can understand that they refuse warranty repairs
08.11.48 #       <QT> yep. me too
08.12.09 #       <LinusN> but apparently, they have recently started refusing paid repars as well
08.12.27 #       <LinusN> and that annoys me a little
08.12.34 #       <QT> uh, that is weird
08.12.40 #       <LinusN> indeed
08.12.59 #       <QT> the device belongs to the person who bought it
08.13.08 #       <QT> and he can do with it what ever he likes
08.13.19 #       <LinusN> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=583.new#new
08.14.16 #       <LinusN> it's a little unfair to say that they refused the paid repair
08.14.19 #       <QT> what a pain in the a**!
08.14.49 #       <QT> why unfair?
08.14.52 #       <LinusN> but they refused to ackowledge the warranty of the paid repair, since he had run rockbox
08.14.54 #       <QT> it seems to be the truth
08.15.14 #       <QT> quote: "When I sent it to Archos for repair they refused to repair it because Rockbox was on..."
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08.15.36 #       <LinusN> so they claim he voided the warranty of the repair by running rockbox
08.16.13 #       <QT> good to know. another vendor to strike from the list
08.16.22 #       <QT> s/from/off
08.16.31 #       <LinusN> iriver just might follow their example
08.16.48 #       <LinusN> time will tell
08.16.58 #       <QT> pitty you can't get things without a vendor ;)
08.17.16 #       <LinusN> it's a very convenient way for them to avoid warranty repairs
08.17.28 #       <QT> so far i only had 1 time contact with iriver customer care (in germany)
08.17.34 #       <QT> yep
08.17.55 #       <QT> i had asked the service if they can swap the brown fugly bag with a black one
08.18.10 #       <QT> initially they said no
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08.18.32 #       <QT> then i told them that this will make me order 2 units via mail order, swap bags myself and return 1 unit again
08.18.49 #       <QT> i kindly asked again if they did not have any returned (broken) units with a black bag
08.19.04 #       <QT> ups, all a sudden i was given a blach bag for free :-)
08.19.13 #       <LinusN> nice of them
08.19.22 #       <QT> yep. shipped home from free
08.19.34 #       <QT> it was a lady and she said she found one in the repair center
08.19.37 #       <LinusN> in general, i think irivers return policy is extremely generous
08.19.42 #       <QT> so far yes
08.19.58 #       <QT> luckuy me, i did not have to return my unit yet. fingers crossed!
08.20.12 #       <LinusN> you can break it in any way, and they replace it
08.20.33 #       <LinusN> why they do that is beyond me
08.23.07 #       <QT> dunno either
08.23.15 #       <QT> time for a coffee - off for a while - cu
08.29.55 #       <dwihno> Hm
08.30.04 #       <dwihno> Re-ripping all CD's to flac might be a tedious task :)
08.30.16 #       <LinusN> not if he only has 3 :-)
08.30.32 #       <dwihno> It's more like 100 or so
08.31.08 #       <dwihno> A disk devoted to flac files :)
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08.34.50 #       <dwihno> hm...
08.34.54 #       <dwihno> does lame take flac input?
08.35.01 #       <LinusN> i doubt it
08.36.47 #       <dwihno> perhaps it's possible to use some kind of piping then
08.37.15 #       <dwihno> cat blah.flac|flacdecode (or whatever it is)|lame -options -
08.37.16 #       <dwihno> or something
08.37.37 #       <dwihno> but what should one do under windows? :) bash scripts?
08.37.46 #       <dwihno> using cygwin or such
08.37.50 #       <dwihno> dunno really
08.39.53 #       <Bagder> aaah! fresh coffee and sunshine, what a morning!
08.41.11 #       <dwihno> Someone's hidden the chokladbollar! :(
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08.41.30 #       <dwihno> We bought a shipload of chokladbollar yesterday and now they're all missing in action!
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08.47.45 #       <Bagder> hehe
08.48.39 #       <dwihno> but where are they?
08.48.42 #       <LinusN> *burp*
08.48.44 #       <dwihno> I just made myself a nice cup of tea
08.48.52 #       * Bagder looks innocent and whistles
08.48.56 #       <dwihno> And I want a chokladboll to go with it!
08.48.57 #       <dwihno> You two!
08.49.00 #       <dwihno> I sense a conspiracy! :)
08.49.12 #       <LinusN> yum yum
08.49.42 #       <LinusN> i just might skip lunch today...not hungry anymore :-)
08.49.45 #       <dwihno> :)
08.49.48 #       <dwihno> You... you...
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09.16.03 #       <usr> so...
09.16.11 #       <usr> will korean be supported in rockbox?
09.16.27 #       <Bagder> yes please
09.16.36 #       <LinusN> we are looking into unicode support
09.16.37 #       <usr> i jus saw da pix someone uploaded and krn wasnt there..
09.16.39 #       <usr> hmm oh ok
09.16.59 #       <LinusN> i don't know much about korean
09.17.18 #       <usr> i do :)
09.17.29 #       <usr> (haha not that it will help)
09.17.43 #       <usr> (or maybe)
09.17.46 #       <LinusN> how does the alphabet look like?
09.18.17 #       <Bagder> isn't it kanji, like chinise/japanese?
09.18.39 #       <usr> http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Language/Korean.gif
09.18.47 #       <usr> i think kanji is japanese only
09.18.54 #       <Bagder> oh, ok
09.19.07 #       <Bagder> shows how much I know ;-)
09.19.12 #       <LinusN> is it left-to-right or right-to-left?
09.19.15 #       <usr> haha im not sure either
09.19.16 #       <usr> left to right
09.19.36 #       <LinusN> then you can start start translating it today
09.19.43 #       <LinusN> as long as you have a font
09.20.11 #       <usr> hmm well i got buncha korean fonts but i dunno which one is usable for rockbox
09.20.47 #       <LinusN> almost any bdf font would work
09.21.23 #       <usr> hmm bdf font is kinda like icons right?
09.21.47 #       <LinusN> no, it's a bitmap font
09.22.15 #       <usr> well, yea that's what i meant... (arent ico files basically bmps?)
09.22.26 #       <usr> well anyways, why is translation necessary?
09.23.06 #       <usr> i was wondering about the tag support (or... are you guys tyring to make the menu in korean too?)
09.23.19 #       <LinusN> of course
09.23.49 #       <usr> hmm ic
09.24.09 #       <usr> what's iriver's response to this project by the way?
09.24.26 #       <Bagder> none
09.24.26 #       <LinusN> none yet
09.25.10 #       <usr> hmm i've read some posts in some korean web sites and it seems to me that they (kinda) know what this is all about
09.25.31 #       <dwihno> they should know unless they are living under some rocks :)
09.25.39 #       <usr> except for some misunderstandings (coldfire emulator represented as the gameboy emulator...)
09.26.14 #       <LinusN> usr: is there an ASCII table (code page) for korean?
09.26.31 #       <usr> not sure actually
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09.27.14 #       <usr> i think so
09.29.31 #       <LinusN> wow, 183 combinations of syllables
09.30.28 #       <usr> haha yea it's complicated to implant but easy to learn
09.30.35 #       <usr> oops, kanji is chinese
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09.33.04 #       <Bagder> "Kanji are one of the five character sets used in the modern Japanese writing system"
09.33.13 #       <Bagder> according to wikipedia
09.33.23 #       <bobdbob> yeah
09.33.32 #       <bobdbob> kanji are in japanese, borrowed from chinese
09.33.51 #       <bobdbob> but japanese is also katakana and hiragana - two alphabets
09.34.25 #       <usr> hmm so i WAS right the first time... (google has fooled me again)
09.35.47 #       <usr> well, i dont know much about language programming but im sure i can get some info if i post some questions in iriver korea's forum
09.37.29 #       <usr> cool, the whole page of their freeboard is filled with gruntled comments from the users
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09.44.02 #       <usr> hmm, anyways, if you guys need some translating job, pm "user" at misticrivier
09.44.04 #       <usr> good luck
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16.58.10 #       <Lynx_> what's a jig?
17.01.03 #       <preglow> a dance
17.01.05 #       <preglow> of some sort
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17.02.25 #       <Lynx_> hehe
17.02.45 #       <Bagder> hey, logbot is a dancer! ;-)
17.03.56 #       <preglow> well, i sure as hell am not, so it can take it from here
17.04.20 #       <Bagder> and in fact, the irc daemon used here is called dancerircd
17.05.04 #       <preglow> never had much experience with ircd
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17.08.19 #       <Lynx_> and how is logbot a dancer?
17.08.31 #       <Bagder> the bot is called dancer
17.08.34 #       <Lynx_> ah
17.08.35 #       <Bagder> the software
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17.08.50 #       <Lynx_> can it do stuff besides logging?
17.08.56 #       <Bagder> lots
17.09.00 #       <Lynx_> and dancing ;)
17.09.15 #       <Lynx_> logbot: dance
17.09.21 #       <Bagder> but I don't think much of the other stuff is setup much
17.09.26 #       <Lynx_> needs to be implemented ;)
17.09.53 #       <preglow> i thought you wrote logbot yourself
17.10.05 #       <Bagder> well, we did
17.10.11 #       <preglow> why, you have
17.10.11 #       <preglow> heh
17.10.12 #       <Bagder> but you know, open source...
17.10.21 #       <Bagder> dancer.sf.net
17.10.29 #       <preglow> yeah, i found it
17.10.50 #       <Lynx_> hmm, there sure are a lot of commands...
17.11.39 #       <preglow> only bots im familiar are eggdrop and my own
17.11.55 #       <Bagder> dancer is fairly old
17.13.51 #       <preglow> good god, i need to initiate tiredness prevention tactics
17.23.41 #       <Lynx_> like coffee?
17.24.22 #       <preglow> why, exactly that, as a matter of fact
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17.37.43 #       <Lynx_> Bagder: my dell lcd will be here tomorrow :)
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18.49.18 #       <t0mas> hm...
18.49.26 #       <t0mas> who setup the cvs and things like that for rockbox?
18.49.29 #       <t0mas> Bagder?
18.49.45 #       <t0mas> or Linus?
18.49.56 #       <stevenm> Is there a way for me to possibly get CVS access? I wanna shove the midi codec there
18.50.47 #       <stevenm> aw rats, class over. never mind
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19.57.04 #       <stevenm> Hello people
19.57.24 #       <stevenm> Is it possible for me to get CVS access to put my codec in there?
19.59.28 #       <preglow> you tested it on a device yet?
20.02.37 #       <stevenm> preglow, no
20.03.12 #       <stevenm> preglow, I finished the envelope stuff, now I guess someone should test it in device. But I have no idea where to even begin - don't know any hardware specific functions
20.03.26 #       <t0mas> preglow? do you know who setup cvs for rockbox?
20.03.51 #       <stevenm> preglow, right now it's a MIDI player with one function, pc dependent. how to make it into a plug-in, I don't have the first clue
20.04.08 #       <preglow> bagder, linus
20.04.13 #       <preglow> and zagor, i guess
20.04.21 #       <preglow> stevenm: does it build for the device?
20.04.26 #       <t0mas> ok, I'll ask Bagder 
20.05.05 #       <stevenm> preglow, I am not sure, but guessing not.
20.05.30 #       <stevenm> preglow, I don't really know how to set up the dev. environment. I got a working toolchain but not sure how to get it to use the rockbox includes / where they even are. 
20.05.47 #       <stevenm> preglow, plus it complains about things such as malloc and file i/o and obviously printf
20.05.49 #       <preglow> linux og cygwin?
20.05.53 #       <stevenm> preglow, linux
20.06.05 #       <preglow> well, it should be simple
20.06.22 #       <preglow> just get cvs binutils, and gcc, build them according to wiki pages
20.06.32 #       <stevenm> preglow, .... gentoo linux.
20.06.38 #       <preglow> and then set some env variables, and get entire three from cvs
20.06.42 #       <preglow> i use gentoo as well
20.06.50 #       <stevenm> and yours built ?
20.06.51 #       <preglow> s/three/tree/
20.06.54 #       <preglow> yes
20.06.56 #       <preglow> nicely
20.06.57 #       <stevenm> wow
20.07.04 #       <preglow> i did it manually
20.07.14 #       <stevenm> I tried too, as the wiki says
20.07.33 #       <stevenm> mine complained like there it no tomorrow. I ended up giving up and got binaries from another developer
20.07.53 #       <preglow> well, if you've got binaries, there should be no trouble
20.08.14 #       <preglow> set PATH to pick up the tools
20.08.16 #       <preglow> then just go
20.08.19 #       <preglow> no further issues
20.08.27 #       <stevenm> check out everything from CVS ?
20.08.30 #       <preglow> but if you want it in cvs, you have to set it up locally first
20.08.31 #       <preglow> yes
20.08.34 #       <preglow> check out rockbox-devel
20.08.59 #       <stevenm> all right
20.09.06 #       <stevenm> then, where does my code come in
20.09.28 #       <preglow> well, you obviously have to insert it in the tree
20.09.31 #       <preglow> apps/codecs is the place
20.09.54 #       <preglow> then make it build, make a midi2wav, etc
20.09.59 #       <stevenm> by the way, all these tools have names in the form m68-elf-whatever
20.10.05 #       <preglow> indeed
20.10.07 #       <stevenm> is this fine?
20.10.12 #       <preglow> yes, they have to
20.10.17 #       <stevenm> ok
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20.10.32 #       <MoosCamaro> hello all
20.11.22 #       <stevenm> hi
20.11.30 #       <stevenm> okay, checking out rockbox-devel
20.11.38 #       <stevenm> preglow, by the way, do we really need volume envelopes?
20.12.15 #       <preglow> well, if you want to play the patches the way they're meant to sounds, yes, you need them
20.12.32 #       <stevenm> all right. I mean it works and all, but it just seems like so much more work
20.12.47 #       <preglow> shouldn't be too much work
20.12.53 #       <stevenm> and in most cases the difference isn't that apparent compared to how much extra power is needed do handle decays, etc
20.13.08 #       <stevenm> If you follow their decay rates, you have more notes playing at the same time
20.13.16 #       <preglow> yup
20.13.20 #       <stevenm> that's just more voices to play, in general
20.13.28 #       <preglow> but it sure sounds natural compared to sudden cut of notes
20.13.34 #       <stevenm> true
20.13.55 #       <stevenm> I had my own decay routine that had a little bit of decay
20.13.56 #       <preglow> for looping sounds i'd say it's a must
20.14.02 #       <preglow> ok
20.14.04 #       <stevenm> it sounded not cut off, but not like, pedal down either
20.14.08 #       <preglow> but really
20.14.13 #       <preglow> envelopes aren't that intensive
20.14.14 #       <stevenm> well right now it's implemented, etc. seems to work
20.14.17 #       <HCl> hey
20.14.20 #       <stevenm> hi
20.14.22 #       <preglow> they're an add and a mul
20.14.26 #       <preglow> plus some branch logic
20.14.28 #       <preglow> HCl: yo
20.14.52 #       <HCl> how goes?
20.14.55 #       <stevenm> preglow, yes.. I guess it looks overwhelming because of how much code there is. like, if statements, fetch the new one, etc
20.15.02 #       <preglow> goes good, tired as hell, apart from that, fine
20.15.33 #       <stevenm> preglow, do you by any chance know anything about PICs ?
20.15.39 #       <preglow> very little, depends
20.16.01 #       <stevenm> I am looking for a linux based tool that will program either using the JDM programmer or using the microchip ICD
20.16.26 #       <preglow> then i have no idea
20.16.32 #       <stevenm> mplab builds and assembles on windows emulator, but the dialogs dont draw right, so can't use ICD
20.16.37 #       <stevenm> wooo it built
20.17.41 #       <stevenm> preglow, so what about file i/o? getc() work?
20.17.49 #       <preglow> well
20.17.52 #       <preglow> have a look in the plugin api
20.17.59 #       <preglow> 'cause that's what you'll be using
20.19.29 #       <stevenm> all right.. so all the calls have to be done using the rb struct ?
20.19.33 #       <preglow> docs/PLUGIN_API
20.19.33 #       <preglow> yes
20.19.39 #       <preglow> but plugin.h is probably more recent
20.19.41 #       <stevenm> wait, plugin api or codec api ?
20.20.31 #       <preglow> codec api is not yet made, but once it is, it will very probably resemble the plugin api
20.20.38 #       <stevenm> oh ok, cool
20.20.54 #       <stevenm> and any patch data, I can put in /.rockbox/patches ?
20.20.58 #       <stevenm> woah!
20.20.58 #       <preglow> for now, you'll just have to make it a regular plugin
20.21.02 #       <stevenm> ok
20.21.07 #       <preglow> stevenm: sounds like an ok place to put it
20.21.21 #       <preglow> name 'patches' might be misleading, though
20.21.33 #       <preglow> at least name it midipatches or something
20.21.33 #       <stevenm> our physics guy just set this huge thing bouncing on a spring and it flew off and kinda flew thru the lecutre hall
20.21.43 #       <stevenm> preglow, all right... patches -> soundset ?
20.21.44 #       <preglow> haha
20.21.47 #       <stevenm> or something like that, yea
20.21.50 #       <preglow> yes
20.21.52 #       <preglow> sounds even better
20.22.03 #       <stevenm> cool
20.22.20 #       <stevenm> what about storage? final thing is like, I think 27 mb compressed.
20.22.44 #       <stevenm> this will have to be an add-on download, right?
20.22.49 #       <preglow> hmm?
20.22.54 #       <stevenm> for the patchset.
20.22.58 #       <preglow> ahh, yes
20.23.04 #       <preglow> most certainly an optional download
20.23.11 #       <stevenm> given how it's 37 megs, prolly not a good idea to put it in by default
20.23.17 #       <preglow> hell no
20.23.19 #       <stevenm> er 27.. 3something unpacked
20.23.34 #       <preglow> still
20.23.42 #       <preglow> samples will be distributed in a file somewhere
20.23.45 #       <stevenm> yea
20.24.01 #       <stevenm> I went thru and picked out just the ones that are needed by this config.. but its still a lot
20.24.40 #       <preglow> but ok
20.24.48 #       <preglow> what standard functions do you use in the lib?
20.24.55 #       <preglow> malloc most certainly has to go
20.25.04 #       <preglow> you'll have to use the mp3 buffer and manage it yourself
20.25.09 #       <stevenm> malloc I will have to write myself
20.25.24 #       <preglow> well, you won't need malloc as such
20.25.27 #       <stevenm> It only allocates.. doesn't free() anything unless its done playing
20.25.41 #       <preglow> you just treat the mp3 buffer as one big buffer that has been alloced
20.25.43 #       <preglow> you don't need to free
20.25.44 #       <stevenm> so just add X bytes to the pointer to the begnning of free memory
20.25.49 #       <preglow> you just abandon data when you're done with it
20.25.56 #       <stevenm> yea I figured
20.26.00 #       <stevenm> I need a getc()
20.26.00 #       <preglow> a pointer will show where data can be overwritten
20.26.07 #       <stevenm> yea
20.26.21 #       <stevenm> I need to open a file, get a character from it, and seek
20.26.47 #       <stevenm> seek is only used in one place but it makes the track loader more memory efficient
20.26.55 #       <preglow> seek is ok, no getc, you need to use read()
20.27.01 #       <stevenm> ok
20.27.07 #       <stevenm> read() should work
20.27.11 #       <stevenm> there is a fopen / fclose?
20.27.14 #       <preglow> well, of course :)
20.27.19 #       <preglow> no, you have the posix ones
20.27.22 #       <preglow> open()/close()
20.27.22 #       <stevenm> I mean, like, same as the C ones
20.27.28 #       <stevenm> all right
20.27.31 #       <preglow> yes, they resemble them
20.27.34 #       <stevenm> and what is the file type? FILE * ?
20.27.40 #       <preglow> int
20.27.44 #       <stevenm> ok
20.27.45 #       <preglow> just look in apps/plugin.h
20.27.51 #       <stevenm> all right
20.27.52 #       <preglow> line 179 and down
20.27.54 #       <preglow> there are the file ones
20.28.28 #       <stevenm> ah here it is
20.29.09 #       <stevenm> preglow, I also use an fscanf in 2 places to parse a simple ascii .config
20.29.30 #       <stevenm> which tells me which .pat file to use for what instrument
20.30.01 #       <stevenm> I could do like, 0.pat 1.pat 2.pat etc, but that would make making new sets anoying
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20.33.46 #       <preglow> don't think there is a scanf, but the parsing shouldn't be too hard
20.35.19 #       <stevenm> preglow, yea, if anything, I can write that using read probably
20.36.19 #       <preglow> exactly, should be easy
20.36.25 #       <preglow> or at least doable
20.43.08 #       <stevenm> ah
20.43.19 #       <stevenm> sorry, went away for a bit. god, physics is BORING
20.43.26 #       <stevenm> the guy just praddles on and on and on
20.43.39 #       <stevenm> if there is a lesson plan, I have yet to find it
20.43.43 #       <preglow> physics never was my favourite, no
20.43.59 #       <preglow> it's makes for an interesting read, but that's that
20.44.23 #       <stevenm> at least usually one of my friends shows up and we hop on our laptops. but he's at home sleeping
20.44.29 #       <stevenm> well, that's true
20.44.34 #       <preglow> mentioning sleep...
20.44.39 #       <stevenm> oop, sorry
20.45.24 #       <preglow> tried some reading a couple of hours ago, was futile
20.45.39 #       <stevenm> haha
20.49.48 #       <stevenm> fisix over
20.49.52 #       <stevenm> back in a few minutes.
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20.57.13 #       <MoosCamaro> hi Linus
20.59.20 #       <MoosCamaro> Linus excuse me, you know if the central joystic of iriver can it replace?
21.00.26 #       <MoosCamaro> my pad begin to tire, the left side is bad
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21.01.32 #       <stevenm> me back
21.01.58 #       <MoosCamaro> anyone can help me please
21.03.12 #       <stevenm> whats up
21.04.07 #       <MoosCamaro> the pad of my iriver tired, i want just know if can it replace
21.05.58 #       <MoosCamaro> if i want go left it too perceptible
21.06.30 #       <MoosCamaro> i've got it since more of 1 year
21.06.44 #       <LinusN> it can be replaced, but you have to find one
21.07.22 #       <preglow> i believe a 'good luck' is in order
21.07.47 #       <MoosCamaro> hi Linus, i'm not technician
21.08.16 #       <LinusN> then you have to find a friend who is...
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21.09.01 #       <MoosCamaro> you know, the iriver is so rare in france
21.10.06 #       <MoosCamaro> solders are necessary?
21.10.22 #       <LinusN> yes
21.10.33 #       <muesli-> g'day mates
21.10.41 #       <MoosCamaro> oups
21.11.46 #       <muesli-> i have seen an i140 for 420e on ebay last time..
21.13.12 #       <MoosCamaro> think you it's possible to make it if i'm not practitioner?
21.14.13 #       <LinusN> MoosCamaro: not sure
21.14.34 #       <MoosCamaro> ok Linus thanks
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21.25.13 #       <HCl> 420e ?
21.25.18 #       <HCl> i bought mine new for that price, heh
21.25.35 #       <LinusN> MoosCamaro: does the joystick work at all?
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21.29.51 #       <MoosCamaro> joystick work for the 4 direction, but it begin don't be accurate, especially the left side  
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21.32.19 #       <MoosCamaro> i must touch hardly the left side 
21.33.16 #       <LinusN> MoosCamaro: ok
21.35.42 #       <LinusN> iRiver! iRiver! Catch the digital flow! (Don't know)?? Haa. Music, easier than ever. Mobility! Simplicity! Superiority! The most discreet way, to fiercely express yourself. Can you (Don't know)?? Catch the digital flow! iRiver!
21.35.56 #       <LinusN> best song ever :-)
21.39.21 #       <Rick> lol
21.48.10 #       <preglow> hahah
21.48.16 #       <preglow> i never did understand the words
21.48.20 #       <preglow> i never tried either
21.49.23 #       <LinusN> found the lyrics in the misticriver forum :-)
21.50.05 #       <preglow> hmm, i wonder how those iaudio players look like naked
21.52.20 #       <preglow> i think someone mentioned coldfires
21.53.39 #       <LinusN> rumours say the m3 has a 5249
21.54.52 #       <preglow> is the ram in the h1x0 slow for that type of ram, btw?
21.56.02 #       <LinusN> what type of ram?
21.56.23 #       <LinusN> you mean if it's slow for being sdram?
21.56.26 #       <preglow> the sdram
21.56.36 #       <preglow> yes
21.56.47 #       <LinusN> no, the ram speed is not an issue
21.56.59 #       <LinusN> iAudio: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.785
21.57.19 #       <LinusN> looks like we have a new target :-)
21.57.39 #       <preglow> bab
21.57.40 #       <preglow> hah <-
21.57.54 #       <preglow> that joystick looks really cumbersome
21.58.18 #       <LinusN> can't be worse than the H100
21.58.27 #       <preglow> i guess not
21.58.40 #       <LinusN> koreans must have sticky fingers
21.58.45 #       <preglow> hmm, perhaps i should give imdct_l another go now that i have some time
21.58.55 #       <preglow> small sticky fingers
21.59.02 #       <LinusN> better hurry, mp3 playback is coming closer every day
21.59.23 #       <CoCoLUS> *wakesuponhearingthat*
22.00.02 #       <LinusN> i had hoped to have it running today, but it turned out to be more work than i expected
22.00.43 #       <preglow> never heard that one before!
22.01.30 #       <LinusN> so i ended up cleaning the car adapter mode first
22.01.52 #       <LinusN> which actually was a step towards mp3 playback, believe it or not
22.02.03 #       <CoCoLUS> the car adapter mode?
22.02.08 #       <CoCoLUS> hows that?
22.02.17 #       <preglow> i wonder where this extra shift in fractional mode comes from...
22.02.45 #       <LinusN> it's an archos feature, that autostarts the playback when the external voltage is on
22.03.14 #       <LinusN> and stops when the voltage disappears again
22.03.26 #       <CoCoLUS> but how does it help mp3 playback?
22.03.55 #       <LinusN> the car adapter mode was using the playback code in a kind of nast way
22.04.00 #       <LinusN> nasty
22.04.25 #       <LinusN> so cleaning it up makes it easier to modify the playback code for iriver
22.04.51 #       <CoCoLUS> ic
22.05.02 #       <CoCoLUS> so... how is ogg coming along? ;)
22.05.11 #       <preglow> not at all
22.05.16 #       <preglow> it's butt slow and no one is looking at it
22.06.03 #       <CoCoLUS> sounds nice
22.06.39 #       <preglow> but it'll get there, i'll turn to it when i have the time
22.07.28 #       <preglow> i hate and despise motorola for implementing mac this way
22.09.03 #       <CoCoLUS> write a complaint letter :)
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22.10.40 #       <preglow> h140 there yet? :>
22.14.11 #       <amiconn> Most likely not
22.22.11 #       <HCl> hehe
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22.29.24 #       <muesli-> re
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22.45.01 #       <HCl> okay
22.45.11 #       <HCl> we're free to use any  of bluechips code if we want to
22.45.34 #       <HCl> he requests we'd add a link to the original public domain code if we do
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22.47.06 #       <HCl> hey xshock
22.47.20 #       <XShocK> hi
22.47.23 #       <HCl> sup?
22.48.01 #       <XShocK> the paint of my iriver started bumping..
22.48.05 #       <HCl> ack
22.48.11 #       <HCl> what color did you have it?
22.48.15 #       <XShocK> black
22.48.20 #       <LinusN> HCl: what code are you referring to?
22.48.30 #       <HCl> LinusN: his othello game and his audio filters
22.48.46 #       <LinusN> the audio stuff is archos-only
22.48.53 #       <HCl> yea, i figured that
22.49.43 #       * muesli- yawns at hcl
22.49.48 #       * HCl dies
22.50.03 #       <HCl> look what you did! x.x; *utters that at his last breath*
22.50.12 #       <muesli-> :D
22.51.09 #       <XShocK> it just falls off..:(
22.51.37 #       <muesli-> btw does anybody know who coded sokoban?
22.52.01 #       <Bagder> why?
22.52.34 #       <muesli-> it would be wonderful if all levels would be loaded into memory by start
22.52.34 #       <XShocK> Bagder: are you saying it to me?
22.52.48 #       <Bagder> no, to muesli- 
22.52.53 #       <Bagder> it doesn't matter who wrote it
22.53.03 #       <Bagder> but Eric Linenberg did
22.53.09 #       <muesli-> its loading after every level
22.53.13 #       <Bagder> yes
22.53.18 #       <Bagder> so it should
22.53.33 #       <muesli-> costs too much battery for keep the hdd busy :-/
22.53.33 #       <Bagder> since Archos has *very* limited memory
22.53.51 #       <HCl> well, we could make it load everything into mem for iriver targets
22.53.51 #       <LinusN> and yes, we can make it load all levels on the iriver if we want to
22.53.59 #       <Bagder> then make an iRiver version that does differently
22.54.02 #       <muesli-> hi linus :)
22.54.05 #       <HCl> >.>
22.54.12 #       <HCl> *nods at 3 of them all saying the same thing*
22.54.18 #       <Bagder> asking for the oroginal author won't help
22.54.23 #       <Bagder> original
22.54.27 #       <Paleo> Hi
22.54.36 #       <Paleo> Is the port to GMIni XS200 almost over ? 
22.54.55 #       <Bagder> Paleo: it is almost dead, I'd say
22.55.06 #       <Paleo> sh*t :(
22.55.21 #       <LinusN> seems jyp got tired, or busy with other things
22.55.34 #       <Bagder> jyp is very very veeeeery alone
22.55.52 #       <Paleo> jyp is the maintener of the port ?
22.56.00 #       <Bagder> he *is* the port
22.56.08 #       <Bagder> :*)
22.56.31 #       <Paleo> lol
22.57.47 #       <Bagder> but yes, he does seems to do everything gmini-related
23.00.30 #       <Paleo> that's sad
23.00.43 #       <Paleo> i'd really like to try rockbox on my XS200 :(
23.01.05 #       <Bagder> join in and help
23.01.37 #       <Paleo> I'm no programmer, sadly
23.04.27 #       <preglow> the gmini port is bound to be a lot of work
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23.20.53 #       <t0mas> pfew...
23.20.57 #       * t0mas fixed his libpam..
23.21.13 #       <t0mas> stressfull working when you know you can't login when anything breaks :)
23.22.17 #       <preglow> telnet
23.22.19 #       <preglow> !
23.22.25 #       <t0mas> don't have telnet :)
23.22.37 #       <preglow> it's pretty mandatory for those kinds of problems, heh
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23.23.18 #       <preglow> there, mpegdec url placed in wiki for those mad/heroic enough to prod at it
23.25.46 #       <preglow> LinusN: what you're working on is mpeg only playback, i assume? like in no codec api?
23.26.40 #       <LinusN> first goal is to write the basic playback code, with the mp3 decoder
23.26.50 #       <preglow> yup
23.27.02 #       <LinusN> then we will see how the multicodec stuff evolves
23.27.48 #       <preglow> i wonder how cpu intensive speex is
23.27.53 #       <preglow> perhaps that could be used for the menus
23.28.06 #       <preglow> and perhaps it wont require lots of iram to operate
23.28.22 #       <preglow> it has recently gotten a fixed point implementation, i think
23.28.56 #       <LinusN> how does it work?
23.29.20 #       <preglow> you mean how it codes its data?
23.29.22 #       <LinusN> what languages does it support?
23.29.40 #       <preglow> its a waveform codec
23.29.44 #       <preglow> you feed it wavs
23.30.07 #       <preglow> no fancy synthesizing, but now that you mention it, that is feasible
23.30.50 #       <LinusN> ah, thought it was a synth, but it's a codec
23.31.08 #       <preglow> just a codec meant for speech
23.31.19 #       <preglow> good quality in wideband mode
23.31.21 #       <LinusN> celp
23.31.24 #       <preglow> yup
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23.32.09 #       <preglow> i was just pondering of the feasability of having one slot, and hence all iram, for the music codec, and using a special speech codec that can operate without iram for menus
23.32.10 #       <LinusN> looks interesting
23.33.40 #       <Bagder> http://subversion.tigris.org/subversion-linus.html
23.35.18 #       <preglow> hmm, that's an interesting situation
23.36.17 #       <Bagder> yeah
23.37.03 #       <Camilo> we're fighting version control systems at work
23.37.51 #       <Camilo> bk vs clearcase
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23.38.09 #       <Bagder> the two monsters :-)
23.38.26 #       <Camilo> yeah I don't particularly like either
23.38.31 #       * preglow strokes subversion