--- Log for 13.04.105 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 8 hours ago 00.02.33 # oh yes 00.02.38 # heaps 00.02.38 # tons 00.02.48 # i can run my h120 in fm mode for days 00.03.14 Join muesli__ [0] (muesli_tv@c-180-220-123.cvx-h.dial.de.ignite.net) 00.04.02 Quit muesli- (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 00.04.03 # Sterling. Has any codecs been started to be implemented yet ? Havnt seen and wiki action for a while 00.04.10 # damn 00.04.12 # we have tons of codecs 00.04.15 # i just added a new one today 00.04.16 # it would seem so 00.04.18 # why, this very minute 00.04.20 # Muse pack ? 00.04.23 # aye 00.04.27 # (thatmy change caused this) 00.04.46 # Is MP3 implemnted and useable ? 00.04.59 # Biptoria: well, yes, but not like realtime, it just makes wavs right now 00.05.32 # hmm 00.05.36 Quit MoosCamaro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.05.47 # Thanks preglow, you from yorkshire? little bit of the aye going on 00.05.56 # i forgot viewers.config 00.06.03 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 00.06.07 # Biptoria: no, norway 00.06.16 # Biptoria: but i do fancy alternate forms of 'yes' from time to time 00.06.24 # Long way away for farmer talk then :| 00.06.29 # haha 00.06.33 # though i am something of a farmer 00.06.47 # Ill let you off then :P 00.06.58 # i used to live ten metres from horses and potato crops 00.07.37 # I live about 100 meters from 5 farms 00.09.00 # LinusN: so, you're closing in on realtime sound? 00.09.08 # slowly, yes 00.09.14 # smashing 00.09.28 # preglow: I believe I've fixed the blank changelog thing now 00.09.28 # Is realtime when its ready for real use ? 00.09.50 # Biptoria: realtime is when you can listen to mp3s directly 00.09.59 # Ah, think I got it now 00.10.22 # Bagder: grand 00.10.25 # Sweet, love you Linus keep up the good work 00.10.41 # preglow: i have some thinking to do regarding the pcm buffering, but i'm closing in 00.10.47 Quit muesli_ (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 00.11.27 # LinusN: yes, i can easily imagine thinking is a lot of the process 00.12.27 # i'm not used to using my brain to such an extent... :-) 00.12.31 # * preglow kicks off another asm() block... 00.12.43 # LinusN: it's a horrible business indeed 00.12.55 # "my brain hurts!" 00.12.56 # Will the rockbox optimize battery usage over the Iriver firmware, or will it be less, or unable to tell at this stage ? 00.13.16 # Biptoria: it is likely to be worse to begin with 00.13.17 # Biptoria: time will tell ;-) 00.13.28 # hahaha 00.13.32 # Thats comforting to know 00.13.35 # :| 00.14.02 # don't expect miracles, but at least there is a bigger potential for improvement with us than with iriver 00.14.10 # just being opensource ensures that 00.14.15 # exactly 00.14.25 # i have to get some sleep now 00.14.30 # later 00.14.35 # cu in a few hours 00.14.43 # to be honest all i want is on the fly playlists 00.14.48 # Love you linus, take care 00.14.52 # Biptoria: well, we've more or less got that already 00.14.59 # Sweet 00.15.06 # Biptoria: you can make playlists in rockbox that are playable with the iriver firmware 00.15.29 # You guys are too clever 00.15.32 # Biptoria: so if you can stand a reboot to make a playlist, you've got otf playlists already :P 00.15.54 # makes me wonder what kind of monkeys were developing the irivers 00.16.08 # Oh, so you mean i could actually do that this very second ? 00.16.26 # Yes. 00.16.31 # 1. boot rockbox 00.16.34 # 2. make playlist 00.16.39 # 3. convert to iriver format 00.16.44 # 4. boot iriver firmware 00.16.47 # presto! 00.16.52 Part LinusN 00.17.31 # Does this include the computer after the RB F/W has been installed? If not im game for having ago 00.17.51 # Aw, and here just remembered that I wanted to ask LinusN if he remembered who made the plugin to boot iriver firmware from within rockbox 00.17.58 # * preglow brews tea 00.18.08 # Biptoria: not sure what you mean with that? 00.18.09 # that was ripnetuk, i think 00.18.18 # either him or hcl 00.18.20 # rasher: that code really jut made the same thing the bootloader does when it boots the original fw 00.18.38 # yeah.. but it's a damn handy feature 00.18.44 # for now 00.18.58 # Biptoria: no computer involved 00.19.12 # Biptoria: you boot rockbox to make the playlists, and then you boot back to iriver firmware to actually play them 00.19.20 # rasher: start_iriver_fw() in bootloader/main.c ;-) 00.19.22 # Ok then. Whats the chances of RB screwing the player up at this stage ? 00.19.32 # Biptoria: we've had no broken players thus far 00.20.00 # Rock onnn!!!! Has a wizard ben made yet to make a F/W file? 00.20.02 # Biptoria: so i guess 'slim' describes it well 00.20.12 # Biptoria: yes... but it's not released yet 00.20.19 # A few slightly corrupted filesystems though, which could *potentially* result in a brick 00.20.26 # preglow : which is in fact quite impressive;) 00.20.35 # indeed 00.20.41 # goes to tell linus knows his stuff 00.20.45 # ;) 00.20.47 # mmmhmm 00.21.12 # Any chance of somone giving me this "wizard so i can quickly make it, or just send the F/W ? or is it simple doing it through command line ? 00.22.17 # IriverBoot in the wiki 00.22.25 # we should get the wizard added to CVS, and work out an autobuild for it 00.22.40 # to have it working when things go live for real 00.22.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 00.22.51 # Biptoria: i guess i could make you an image 00.23.01 # Biptoria: i'm not all that keen on spreading the wizard yet 00.23.16 # Bagder: what build tools are there on the box? my patcher needs mingw, afaik 00.23.44 # preglow: I build other win32 tools fine with the mingw cross compiler we use on the box 00.23.54 # Bagder: then hooray! 00.24.08 # Id be greatful if you could make me the F/W looking at the Iriverboot page, its a little past me 00.24.10 # Biptoria: what iriver firmware do you use? 00.24.16 # 1.65 00.24.19 # euro? 00.24.23 # yes 00.24.25 # ok 00.24.30 # give me a few moments and i'll have a look 00.24.35 # cheers 00.24.53 # Biptoria: but i won't guarantee that your players survives this, i'm just saying it hasn't happened yet 00.24.57 # Biptoria: if it breaks, that's on you 00.25.26 # yep no problem 00.25.53 # Ive been thinking about getting a smaller one for when im walking any way, its just used as a radio at the moment lol 00.26.08 # Biptoria: but yes, automated building should be ok enough, it takes a list of good md5sums as a header file, and embeds bootloader.bin directly into the exe as a resource 00.26.15 # that last is to Bagder 00.26.16 # sorry 00.26.34 # sounds neat 00.26.47 # lol, thats good then, had no idea what you were saying to me 00.26.58 # i assume the cross compiler tools has windres as well? 00.26.58 # good md5sums of firmwares and results I hope? 00.27.07 # rasher: only result 00.27.16 # rasher: if the firmware is bad, then the result md5 will be bad as well 00.27.50 # Well yes, but it's nicer to the user to be able to tell him that we don't recognise that firmware isn't it? 00.27.58 # the only thing i'm concerned about is code reusability, right now, i'm using modified versions of both mkboot.c and iriver.c 00.28.10 # i couldn't find a nice way to reuse them as they were 00.28.54 # preglow: we should work on unifying the sources as much as possible, yes. But it can be done post-first-commit 00.30.13 # and, i guess we should compile unicode and non-unicode versions of it 00.30.18 # in case anyone still uses win98 00.30.26 # but yeah 00.30.31 # you tell me where to put it, and i'll put it there 00.30.31 # I do! 00.31.05 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.31.15 # preglow: what about creating a subdir in tools? 00.31.33 # Bagder: yeah, sounds like a smart plan, it'll need its own special build system 00.31.45 # Preglow: are you making an image, or shall i follow the boot page 00.31.49 # Biptoria: working on it 00.32.04 # preglow: cheers 00.33.19 # I have an image 00.33.29 # Biptoria: want it by mail? 00.33.47 # rasher: will it work with 1.65 Euro ? 00.34.07 # this *is* 1.65 euro 00.34.11 # with the bootloader 00.34.26 # Mail it to johnhargreaves757@hotmail.com thank you 00.34.36 # i can't match md5 here 00.34.41 # so take rasher's, if he knows it works 00.35.28 # Can RB be taken off the iriver ? 00.35.39 # like how? 00.35.58 # sure, you just flash with an original firmware from iriver 00.36.01 # unmodified 00.36.04 # Like, once its on can it be taken back off 00.36.06 # I see 00.36.10 # ahh, yes, sure 00.36.11 # no problem 00.37.32 # damn, it was fun doing some rockbox work again 00.37.35 # i want to do more :-P 00.38.02 # Biptoria: sent 00.38.07 # well, almost 00.38.08 # WHy did you stop ? 00.38.14 # cheers rasher 00.38.29 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 00.38.45 # rasher: you're not using the wiki bootloader.bin, are you? 00.38.46 # sending, at least... 00.39.16 # i can't match the md5 you've listed 00.39.40 # interesting.. what's your firmware md5? 00.40.39 # don't know, i only know that it doesn't match :PPP 00.40.42 # gimme a sec, and i'll find out 00.40.53 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@hmln-d51475b1.pool.mediaWays.net) 00.41.03 # I appear to not have the original with me 00.41.51 # i'm quite confident you built it from cvs 00.41.54 # re 00.42.00 # 'cause i mentioned it wasn't very wise ;) 00.42.17 # I totally did not 00.42.27 # then i'm wrong 00.42.41 # I used the bootloader from wiki 00.42.49 # ok i have the firmware, rashed you said to MD5 sum it or somthing ? 00.43.02 # yup 00.43.08 # using windows? 00.43.12 # ordinary people don't have md5sum, heh 00.43.13 # Whats that mean 00.43.15 # yes 00.43.15 # you should have zipped it 00.43.35 # typical 00.43.39 # >< 00.43.45 # i'll send again 00.43.51 # Sorry at my stupidness 00.44.00 # no stupid 00.44.01 # not really your fault 00.44.08 # people don't have md5, you're not alone in that, hehe 00.44.45 # it's just a way of verifying if the file was altered during sending 00.45.04 # i see, thats clever 00.45.05 # the firmware is checksummed to pieces anyway, so doesn't matter much 00.45.34 # iriver may be stupid, but they did conceive the possibility of a damaged firmware file 00.46.20 # So in the zip, will it be the correctly named .hex ? Then i upload it to the root directory on the iriver. Then do i go to firmware upgrade like a normal Iriver upgrade would be done ? 00.46.24 # now how the hell does zip work.. 00.46.33 # LOL 00.46.38 # should the patcher tool have a checkbox for 'ignore incorrect md5, i know what i'm doing'? :> 00.46.43 # rasher: zip newfile.zip addfile1 addfile2 00.46.49 # iirc 00.46.54 # that's right 00.46.59 # Biptoria: yes.. hang on 00.46.59 # Biptoria: that's correct 00.47.16 # Roger that 00.47.31 # excellent 00.48.22 # i wonder why all the musepack functions have _float_ in their name 00.48.37 # I have a full battery, do i really need to plug it into the mains ? 00.48.48 # Biptoria: no, but do so anyway 00.48.57 # lol ok then 00.49.51 # Sending.. 00.50.03 # there we go, she's plugged into the mains 00.50.12 # rasher: thank you 00.51.34 # uh-oh... hang on! 00.51.42 # didn't send right 00.52.07 # ahh 00.52.12 # shouldn't extract either, but just to be safe 00.52.20 # methinks we should actually publish this patcher tool sooner rather than later :P 00.52.36 Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 00.52.36 # might be 00.52.57 # Is the latest one you sent safe rasher? or shall i delete it 00.53.11 # delete both 00.53.17 # k 00.53.19 # Okey dokey 00.53.34 # whats wrong with them? 00.54.37 # it errored halfway through sending 00.55.19 # this one sent correctly :) 00.56.23 # Rasher: it can happily steal my GF at the moment 00.57.03 # :-O 00.57.14 # lol 00.57.19 # so did you dispatched 3 or 2 mails? 00.57.26 # @rasher 00.58.12 # 3 at Biptoria, 2 at you 00.58.29 # ah ok 00.58.41 # btw the first one had 2182k too 00.59.01 # oh, it may have been fine 00.59.08 # just wasn't sure 00.59.34 # uhm.. now I broke songdb.pl for sure 00.59.43 # dammit 00.59.53 # Mines 2028kb 01.00.23 # strange 01.00.35 # come on 01.00.46 # i'll put it on my web server or something 01.00.56 # mailing binaries is just evil 01.01.07 # Ok im going to upgrade it now 01.01.07 # true 01.01.20 # am i still safe ? 01.01.29 # if it unzips correctly, you probably are 01.01.36 # * preglow spots several places fit for optimizing 01.01.40 # if it unzipped fine, chances are pretty good 01.01.48 # yepp 01.01.55 # think the same 01.01.58 # Yeh it just unzipped straight to the desktop 01.02.10 # so it shoudl work fine 01.02.19 # its a 2028kb named IHP_120.hex 01.02.58 # ok ill live on the edge, here we go *presses button* 01.03.07 # hehe 01.03.12 # * muesli- crosses fingers 01.03.23 # Im crossing everything ive got 01.03.37 # It turned off 01.03.43 # normal 01.03.46 # Ok now i turn back on ? 01.03.48 # press play 01.03.51 # yepp 01.03.52 # yep i know 01.04.10 # Nice picturless boot screen 01.04.32 # did you put the .rockbox dir on your player? 01.04.41 # * muesli- falls asleep, isdn suuuux 01.05.04 # Rockbox ? 01.05.06 # :| 01.05.37 # Shall i create a folder called rockbox on the player then ? 01.05.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h100/rockbox.zip 01.05.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h100/rockbox.zip copy its content into your root dir 01.05.55 # unzip that to the root of your player 01.05.56 # first :D 01.06.10 # not according to my lag :) 01.06.15 # okeh pokeh 01.06.43 # pokemon!? :D 01.07.02 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 01.07.21 # morning XShocK 01.07.33 # Biptoria: without that, rockbox will just boot the original firmware 01.07.51 # hi, muesli 01.07.52 # ok then, thats done, shall i turn off turn on again ? 01.08.01 # hi all :) 01.08.09 # yepp 01.08.32 # * muesli- prays for a software reset function ;) 01.08.39 Join austriancoder [0] (~5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 01.08.42 # hi all 01.08.51 # Ahhhhh messing with expensive equipment is so satysfying 01.09.05 # SWEET it says rockbox 01.09.18 # hi, austriancoder 01.09.23 # OMG!!!!1!!!!11111!!!!!!ELEVEN 01.09.55 # album table lists dirnames.. wtf 01.10.21 # How do i go back a step? 01.10.33 # press left 01.10.45 # has somebody a emacs tutorial or something else? 01.10.52 # I tried to play a song and it wont do anything 01.10.52 # austriancoder: emacs is evil! 01.11.00 # Biptoria: well, duh, rockbox doesn't play music yet, heh 01.11.07 # damn..cant test it..my player is still recharging :-/ 01.11.09 # i know.. but it is needed 01.11.17 # I know, i mean if i press left it doesnt go back to the menu 01.11.23 # Biptoria: stop, then 01.11.37 # I thought you meant from the other menus/dirbrowser 01.11.37 # aha there we go 01.12.05 # How is a playplist made then 01.12.08 # good night fellows 01.12.13 Join Naked [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.12.26 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@naked.iki.fi) 01.12.55 # preglow: have you some docs and other stuff about emacs? 01.13.17 # Playlist# 01.13.22 # i know nothing of emacs, and intend to keep it that way 01.13.22 Part MoosCamaro 01.13.46 # ok 01.14.14 # Playlists anyone ? 01.14.29 # oh i found the menu thing 01.14.42 # have a look at the manual if you're in doubt 01.14.49 # but just play around with it really 01.14.59 # i prefer to play 01.15.13 # I notice it is very fast 01.15.45 # Is the radio working in RB? 01.17.15 # Oh this is awesome, even change my font :D 01.17.37 # yes.. the fonts are great 01.18.06 # don't forget the gameboy emulator 01.18.07 # >.> 01.18.18 # No, please don't 01.18.45 # Gameboy emulator 01.18.46 # ? 01.20.10 # omg im going to wet myself this is so good ! 01.20.14 # Absolutely 01.21.11 # * rasher beats up songdb.pl 01.21.15 # WORK, silly 01.21.25 # oh wow, everuythings been thought of ! this is so good ! 01.22.07 # even tells me my Batterys MAH 01.24.00 # a calculator *drools* 01.24.16 # It does more than my computer! 01.24.35 # haha 01.24.49 # and it even said bye to me 01.25.07 # think I'll start over with songdb.pl 01.25.21 # * rasher cries 01.26.16 # i just did a battery test it says 16:49, is that the players uptime ? 01.27.22 # why does gcc do this to me 01.29.07 # The battery test plugin doesn't really work with iriver 01.29.24 # maybe we should remove it from getting built for iriver then? 01.29.25 # Pong doesnt work too good lol 01.29.28 # arghhh!!! 01.29.34 # wasn't pong fixed? 01.29.58 # lol one side doesnt even move 01.30.48 # that's because it's 2-player 01.30.48 Join Cor [0] (~42ec1936@labb.contactor.se) 01.30.54 # and uses wacky keys :) 01.31.13 # * HCl imagines two people prying on an iriver and shakes his head solemnly 01.31.24 # 2 player pong on an MP3 player? lol 01.31.32 # who thought that up anyways? 01.31.53 # SNake 2 is quality 01.31.59 # Hiya 01.32.05 # is snake 2 even adjusted for iriver yet? 01.32.06 # wow this place is busy nowadays 01.32.24 # Screens a little small, better than snake 1 tho 01.33.02 # Snow,,,,,ive seen it all now 01.33.21 # hcl: could work with remote 01.33.22 # have you used the gameboy emulator yet? :3 01.33.25 # rasher: true. 01.34.28 Quit muesli- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.34.32 # Dont know hwo to get to a gameboy emu 01.34.43 # put a gameboy rom on it.. 01.34.49 # you need to find a gameboy rom, then you just "play" that 01.34.56 # isn't the GB emu supposed to work on V1 Recorders too ? 01.35.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.35.18 # barely 01.35.32 # Whats a good gameboy game then 01.36.13 # k cool, but i couldn't get it to load the 2 games i tried 01.36.40 # ARGH 01.36.48 # bloody gcc refuses to do inline asm correctly 01.36.53 # i love being forced to write entire functions in asm 01.36.54 # Does a V1 recorder have enough power to run an emu? 01.37.18 # mario works well 01.37.18 # Biptoria: if you're not very picky about stuff like responsiveness and frame rate, then yes! most certainly 01.37.51 # do most games work ? 01.37.55 # I dont actually own a V1 recorder.... mind lol 01.37.57 # two irivers connected through SPDIF or even just audio cables.. multiplayer ping pong will rule. :) 01.38.06 # just interested 01.38.16 # LMAO 01.39.05 # Do Game boy Advance Roms work ? 01.39.20 # no 01.39.25 # XShocK think that's doable? 01.39.41 # how about gameboy color? 01.39.49 # rasher: sure 01.39.56 # i can only find gameboy color and gameboy advance roms 01.40.01 # I guess 01.40.04 # gameboy color 01.40.33 # Grand theft auto, omg if this work ill die 01.40.46 # i tried metroid2 and 1943 to no avail 01.41.00 # rasher, mmm not really with audio cable. might be possible with spdif since we need both input and output, while there is only one UDA1380 audio chip 01.41.50 # no full duplex audio? 01.42.05 # so, the recording passthrough is a feature of the uda1380, then? 01.42.06 # i will check, not sure thou.. 01.42.23 # you can listen to whatever you record while you record it with iriver firmware 01.42.30 # but that might be a uda hardware feature 01.42.41 # preglolw, hmm, i guess you are right about it. 01.43.34 # Can i delete this thing called battery.dummy in my root directory also one called battery.txt 01.43.42 # yes 01.43.55 # only thing you shouldn't delete is rockbox.iriver and .rockbox directory 01.44.02 # and it's no disaster if you manage that either 01.44.03 # any Dev's round i could bug about a feature change ? 01.44.20 # ok kool, so i can delete the h120.hex thing ? 01.44.20 # what feature? 01.44.24 # Biptoria: yeah 01.44.33 # i'd like to have a 'Remove from Playlist' or atleast 'View Playlist' from on play menu 01.45.01 # *on(plus)play menu 01.45.14 # Where shud i put the GBA rom, anywhere ? 01.45.51 # anywhere 01.46.11 # OMG OMG OMG this is so good 01.46.15 # ...without having to go into the F1 main menu and down to playlist options and down to view playlist 01.47.35 # preglow, i guess it supports full-duplex. 01.47.43 # not gba, gbc 01.48.07 # Question, i just unplugged my USB cable from the iriver, everytime i touch the end of the USB it buzzes in the headphones linked to my iriver :| 01.48.14 # i never thought about it before. 01.48.25 # * go to eat 01.48.51 # Yes its a GBC i think :| 01.48.59 # yes GBC 01.49.29 # It doesnt show the files where i put them ? or do i have to reboot 01.51.22 # good night all 01.51.23 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC") 01.51.32 # Biptoria: you need to go in settings and make rockbox show all file types 01.51.46 #